Rogue with an absolutely insane build order vs. Dark Watch the GSL Super tournament 2021 on the AfreecaTV KZbin Channel: kzbin.info/door/K5eBtuoj_HkdXKHNmBLAXg
@simonhrabec99732 жыл бұрын
Nice to include the link to the actual tournament :)
@SC2HL2 жыл бұрын
@@simonhrabec9973 it’s always in the description, has been for years! For ESL tournaments a cut of the revenue actually goes to ESL ;)
@debbiebernhardt54062 жыл бұрын
I was always a fan of having more income than unit production, allowing me to have more options to finish earlier.
@Maleficarum9992 жыл бұрын
It's really scary that Dark managed to persevere for 24 minutes in ZvZ matchup after such disastrous start.
@chaptermastermoloc41712 жыл бұрын
Yes but he got dragged into a battle of Attrition. It was already over after Rouge Mined the Gold mine and Dark could not expand.
@jm4582052 жыл бұрын
I feel like he opened a narrow window of possibility to get good enough trades to actually have a chance. Rogue was playing to attrition after the steal the entire game.
@asdfgoogle2 жыл бұрын
@@chaptermastermoloc4171 No kidding. We saw it. We were all there. lol.
@chaptermastermoloc41712 жыл бұрын
@@asdfgoogle sorry not everyone is a genius.
@asdfgoogle2 жыл бұрын
@@chaptermastermoloc4171 haha. It's a shame, isn't it? But then again, if we were all geniuses, we would actually be normal. And who wants to be normal?
@popeband2 жыл бұрын
SC2HL, just to want to say how much I appreciate you uploading and editing down these games. If it wasn't for you I would have had to stop following SC2 completely due to the long game times (which I can't commit to watch anymore due to having more work). Again, thanks so much.
@RobotnikPlays2 жыл бұрын
100% It's nice seeing these high-level play matches/highlights, without having to commit to sitting through hour-long slogs or entire tournaments.
@jackcoleman59552 жыл бұрын
Me too!! THANKS SC2HL!!!
@mirastor17962 жыл бұрын
The transfuse on the bane at 3:50 Made my day 😂😂
@Tooterbooter2 жыл бұрын
I know. I saw that too xd
@TordStromdal2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I can't believe Tastoses didn't comment on that. Hilariously funny 😆
@gp123lIlI2 жыл бұрын
omg
@alexmineru2 жыл бұрын
He got lile 3 lings
@joxikorr2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure Rogue was aiming for this build from Dark. But that wasnt just pure blind risk, he can also mine from that hatch. He started to build spines as soon as he see creep from dark hatch
@TheSanco262 жыл бұрын
But wasn't Rogues base positioned wrong then? Or does it just look of? Plus, he brought the drones for the spinecrawlers before he even saw the creep. For pure mining more drones would have made more sense then i think. But yea you are right. He clearly knew.
@blazethefaith2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSanco26 It was positioned off so it wouldn't be in vision, The mining is more of a bonus than the purpose of it, but it also allows him to play it out. He was banking on Dark taking the gold first. If Dark takes that base first, then it put's Rogue ahead. If Dark takes his natural first, then I think the less efficient mining might even out with the gold patches. Not enough to replace a fully mining natural, but perhaps enough enough to be comparable to getting a quick 3rd. I think the only way Dark would come out on top with that opening from Rogue is if he spotted the hatch before putting his down so he could counter with a more aggressive opener, or if he took Rogue's gold base.
@TheSanco262 жыл бұрын
@@blazethefaith Makes sense. What an awesome game.
@3laserbeam32 жыл бұрын
@@TheSanco26 If Dark turns out to not be there, he could cancel the spines and just mine instead. If Dark is there he ends up with faster spines.
@fortunadodesperado2 жыл бұрын
I think that Rogue possibly didn't know Dark was going for that gold base. He knew that if he could get a hatch up with two spines at his opponents gold base, it would be worth it no matter what. And he definitely made money on it.
@nilocblue2 жыл бұрын
Commentators: "These are the two best zerg players in the world." Serral: "Am I a joke to you?"
@johnvavryshko72412 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly, also Reynor.
@foobarbazbaa55982 жыл бұрын
Artosis still thinks Korean SC2 is the only real SC2
@testedtech2 жыл бұрын
@@foobarbazbaa5598 Artosis job is to cast and hype. He is fully aware of Serral and Reynor no doubt...
@kaotheold85072 жыл бұрын
I feel like when this two play against each other, they are the best zerg during the match
@nathanstretch2 жыл бұрын
Serral's ZvT and ZvP are stronger than his ZvZ. These two could arguably be the best ZvZ players in the world.
@antalgu30952 жыл бұрын
I wanna see those resource lost tab, the difference must be abysmal
@eelcohoogendoorn80442 жыл бұрын
This. Dark was the moral victor here. So yeah he gambled and lost with the gold base; but other than that the proper title here would be 'how to make it to late game while consistently mining from half the bases from the start'.
@Maleficarum9992 жыл бұрын
@@eelcohoogendoorn8044 While enemy player is continually mining TWO GOLD BASES. We all know very well that ZvZ cheese play instakills enemy and you pull out such amazing chesse strategy, execute it properly and still struggle to finish game for 24 minutes?
@LoudWaffle2 жыл бұрын
@@eelcohoogendoorn8044 There's no moral victor, it's a game and he lost. If Rogue didn't have such a massive economy advantage and his victory wasn't riding on containing Dark, he wouldn't be making such agressive trades. Dark was "winning" the battles but because he lost the larger-scale strategy so early on, he needed to do more than just trade efficiently, he needed to wipe out Rogue's army by some miracle and then kill the instant remax as well, and then establish some economy.
@aka_miso2 жыл бұрын
This intro is like watching 2 super computers playing each other and concluding the same course of action is the best
@ThongTran6 ай бұрын
I know, beautiful right?
@Person_20782 жыл бұрын
Rogue looked at Dark in the eyes before the match and based on his eye movement, level of sweat and breathing patterns, Rogue deduced there was a 85% chance Dark will go for the gold
@kurzackd2 жыл бұрын
15:31 - "it's been so Past-Faced..." lmao :D
@CrimsonS1312 жыл бұрын
I watched this the other day and was shocked at how good dark is from behind. He is like the zerg version of a turtled Maru.
@Notsoshady48912 жыл бұрын
"A knife fight in a phone booth" classic zvz
@badtiming22082 жыл бұрын
3:49 The first time I've ever seen a Transfusion used on a Baneling.
@AFlameofVengance2 жыл бұрын
Right at 0:23 Rogue can see the creep on the other side of the gold. He knows that Dark already has a hatch completed before him, but he doesn't know anything else, so he immediately starts up two spines on the backside of his hatch in a safe area because he doesn't know if Dark has preemptively started up spines. He knows if Dark is looking, then Dark will know he has a hatch there because of his creep. It wasn't a blind outplay, it was a calculated play to try and win the contested gold from what he could see at the moment.
@ivanlagrossemoule2 жыл бұрын
Yeah the zerglings were there to scout and see how much Dark had invested already.
@korakys2 жыл бұрын
I think this might be the first time I've paused a video on this channel to go and watch the source instead. Such a great game, I wanted every minute of it.
@guest2732 жыл бұрын
I said it on the previous video with Rogue: The worst profession to have in the Zerg army: *_Being an Overlord for Rogue_* It still stands true in this game! :D
@Sulamanjansulttaani2 жыл бұрын
You mean: being rogue Since he plays hivemind
@andrewigumnov9932 жыл бұрын
I like how fast Dark wrote "gg" after he had seen mutas :D
@AnnoLP2 жыл бұрын
Dark saw the mutas, gg, Insta Concede
@EXOdagr8t2 жыл бұрын
There are only very few problems, in life in general, that mass mutas won't fix.
@JukesMcGee2 жыл бұрын
“These are the two best zergs in the world” *Serral wants to know your location.*
@wortyle2 жыл бұрын
God Serral fans are exhausting
@Tekner4362 жыл бұрын
he probably means now, not 3 years ago
@user-eq3qf6ty6u2 жыл бұрын
@@wortyle I don't really follow SC2, I remember Serral won a major tournament. Is he still holding at top now?
@artosvanstel2 жыл бұрын
Could we get some highlights of Solar vs Zoun as well, as it was amazing to see Solar play that well (especially game 1)
@SC2HL2 жыл бұрын
Always love to get recommendations, best way to reach me is on twitter (@SC2HL) - I try to watch all the major tournaments, but sometimes things slip!
@boriskoslowski71762 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Solar is on fire this GST
@kraiffa58782 жыл бұрын
Me before playing the game watching the video:"what the fuck is happening?" Me after playing the game for 2 months:"what the actual fuck is happening?"
@GameNooberX2 жыл бұрын
Hey SC2HL, I know this is a bit of a weird comment but I wanted to say that I've been having a horrible over-worked burnout inducing past few weeks. I open up KZbin and see a video by you and my day instantly got better. Thank you for being there for me 🥺❤
@SC2HL2 жыл бұрын
Hey man, appreciate the comment! My work has been killing me too but super happy to make your day a little better. Hang in there!
@heavycritic95542 жыл бұрын
We're not far away from someone performing a "Googolplex IQ [X]".
@MGoogle31462 жыл бұрын
That map control really won it for Rogue
@lordhawkeye2 жыл бұрын
This felt like Rogue assumed Dark would just gg from such a bad start so he never really felt like trying until his ego almost lost him the match.
@deseanlothian2 жыл бұрын
Has to be one of the best games ever. Reminds me of darkest dungeon quote. " Great is the blade that cuts on it's own." Dark stood no chance, the more he struggled the more he bled out and eventually he fell under his own consumption.
@diss-abledgamer53702 жыл бұрын
The first 3 minutes of the game had more brain cells activated than most college students in their whole educational tenure lol
@llcoolj83772 жыл бұрын
This was just a masterclass. Definitely the kind of creative and entertaining gameplay you don’t get with Serral
@ToTheNines873682 жыл бұрын
That early Dark hold with just a spine crawler and one baneling he kept transfusing was so sick
@eavanfiontann35882 жыл бұрын
Dark's eye twitch right before he said gg lol
@HM-yq3cn2 жыл бұрын
3:51 a queen transfused baneling!
@thatLukeKneller2 жыл бұрын
what an epic game. Thanks for the clean edit!
@ihabiano Жыл бұрын
This channel is a great as the Mutas move in this game!
@richardburgos42302 жыл бұрын
This is a great way for me to pass the time. Thanks for the uploads and awesome commentary/edits.
@tomwhone98042 жыл бұрын
The one time we'll see mutas trigger a gg response.
@joecordero16992 жыл бұрын
dark saw half the mutas and just taps out. what a game!!!
@JFox45872 жыл бұрын
“These are the two best Zerg players in the world” Serral looks at reynor and smiles a cheeky smile 🤣
@gophercakes3112 жыл бұрын
Every video from SC2HL "Watch 's 9000 IQ Overlord Only rush!"
@MH-tr4kn2 жыл бұрын
Commentators: "These are the two best zerg players in the world." Serral and Raynor: "thats cute"
@12321dantheman2 жыл бұрын
did he make those first two spines blind? big gamble if so
@busTedOaS2 жыл бұрын
Rogue saw the creep from Dark's Hatchery just as he morphed the spines.
@PlayanBerserker2 жыл бұрын
agreed with phantom, rogue was prepared for it and he reacted fast enough to build the spines
@jkkim69282 жыл бұрын
He can just mine the gold with those drones if Dark didn’t build the hatch. So a good calculated build
@seowh45992 жыл бұрын
Rouge is the sexiest zerg ever lol
@_Hal90002 жыл бұрын
When you have become the hive mind
@ham6322 жыл бұрын
With how slow these games can go, Im wondering what it would be like if it had Golf Commentator-esque voice overs lmao.
@boriskoslowski71762 жыл бұрын
Insane. Simply insane.
@swg20022 жыл бұрын
What a great game
@lurker7822 жыл бұрын
these IQ levels are too damn high!!
@ThongTran6 ай бұрын
Best ZvZ ever
@krany_2 жыл бұрын
Awesome work and awesome plays that was good
@jdubs6042 жыл бұрын
I was rooting for the underdog the whole time and then the mutas go Brrrrrrrr!
@zbyszanna2 жыл бұрын
That's a zerg equivalent of a cannon rush.
@stevesuh442 жыл бұрын
Dark put up a good fight
@bayupran2 жыл бұрын
Great minds think alike
@jonsolo322 жыл бұрын
3:50. Dark heals a baneling. Now that’s APM. Lol
@user-fl1wu3xo1k2 жыл бұрын
С Алексом уомментарии так себ)
@MrSholer2 жыл бұрын
i fucking love how Z v Z is just like two ant colonies going at it :') b
@cloudjits60692 жыл бұрын
CLOUDJITS
@stefanalenius2 жыл бұрын
Rogues do it from behind!
@GibsnRage2 жыл бұрын
Gold advantage!
@karnudom2 жыл бұрын
It's weird to hear Artosis cast with someone else and not Tasteless
@carson0320002 жыл бұрын
That was clearly a 2 million IQ play
@VViatro2 жыл бұрын
It looks like Rogue might have been tipped about it. Are the games broadcasted live?
@goshu70092 жыл бұрын
IT was not the Rogue's Hatch that was insane here, but how Dark lived for so long in this game after.....
@legionofpie2 жыл бұрын
Plan b was to take that base as a ninja expo and flood lings or roaches.
@true_xander2 жыл бұрын
Bly vs. Bly
@artyomarty3912 жыл бұрын
I'll explain why Rogue did such a play. He built the spines without scouting because he knew that regardless whether Dark will make a hatch on the other side, he will need defenses whether or not he scouted would be irrelevent
@troygarrison17552 жыл бұрын
The thing is it was still a massive risk because he wasted an expansion. Sure he could mine, but not effectively nor would he have had gases. After that he invested into defense which could mean his main and natural would have been exposed. This only worked because Dark was greedy. If Dark played standard then Rogue would have been way way way behind.
@userunknown-zd4be2 жыл бұрын
0:25 how 6:34 HOW
@DisorderInOrder2 жыл бұрын
i hate the Caster's settings... feel like this took place in Korea, because those casters always have the HP bars turned off unless units are selected, and its sooooooooo frustrating to watch.
@nabusvco2 жыл бұрын
Rouge brain works differently
@michaelmart4562 жыл бұрын
I would not consider Dark the best Zerg in the world, but I am never surprised if he 3-0's Maru or Serral. He's the guy that everyone dreads playing against.
@Ikosaeder112 жыл бұрын
Ads every 4 mins. Ur rly doing this 4 the community :) even gsl doesnt do this
@SC2HL2 жыл бұрын
There shouldn’t be ads every 4 minutes. Let me check the settings, sorry about that
@daviddesvaux97862 жыл бұрын
Is SC3 ever coming out ?
@zinowagner2 жыл бұрын
WE WANT TASTETOSIS MOAAAAAAAR
@TritonTv694202 жыл бұрын
Title is wrong. That was a 1000iq proxy hatch wow. hahaha
@ShaunYCheng2 жыл бұрын
Did rogue see the gold hatch or did he blind counter dark?
@jeroenstolp98892 жыл бұрын
It was a hedge play. Him making the hatchery there could have 2 purposes. If Dark has a hatch there, you make spines and "blind counter". If he doesn't, you just start mining there yourself and you have an advantage that way. It works either way. But he made the spine crawlers once he saw the creep from Dark's hatch.
@Sound_Tech2 жыл бұрын
@@jeroenstolp9889 Agreed, the spines were definitely a response to the hatch creep
@simeonpolet13072 жыл бұрын
@@Sound_Tech why would he have brought 2 drones if not to make spines?
@Ichthyodactyl2 жыл бұрын
@@simeonpolet1307 If he didn't need spines, then they are transfers to get mining earlier. As mentioned, it's a hedged bet.
@Whalery2 жыл бұрын
@@simeonpolet1307 Those 2 drones can start mining if Dark didn't have a hatch right there. It's simple. Gold base vs a player without it is giving a lot of advantages in roach play.
@Kionage2 жыл бұрын
where i can see the whole match?
@Kionage2 жыл бұрын
found it! kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6vQZ6Cdg9Cap9k
@xsision55132 жыл бұрын
@@Kionage thank you
@HandicappedMind2 жыл бұрын
dark threw that i think.. defended first 2 attacks overwhelmingly in his favor. but then just turtled and let rogue take his whole side of map instead of counter attacking at at the very least killing off the stolen gold base on his side. Even when it wasnt mining it was giving rogue a larva advantage
@egormonahov.81642 жыл бұрын
Why do they have static faces?
@bg92802 жыл бұрын
Are these two people brothers?
@testedtech2 жыл бұрын
Dark is really amazing in scrappy games. His position was TERRIBLE in this game and somehow he made it into a game anyway...
@joseoctaviomendozacaceres98362 жыл бұрын
Star wars es una zapatilla al lado de esto
@Strandenarium2 жыл бұрын
Can't understand, one of them would go mutas like at the middle if the game to kill all roaches of the opponent but only at the end one did it, why it's been so long? Can't get it
@PhongNguyen-vq5yo2 жыл бұрын
why the graphic is so different ?
@TheJustinHit2 жыл бұрын
Tasteless sounds so different....
@yourcommonbro73492 жыл бұрын
Glad to be early for this vid
@Crona_Gowther_Kanato2 жыл бұрын
Notifications gang!!
@hiromitsu_2 жыл бұрын
체력바 안나오는거 개열받네 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
@Alkex0 Жыл бұрын
Honestly a bit suspicious to be able to divinate that gold expo like that. Might've heard from somewhere what Dark's game-one build was going to be, in similarity to the Magnus v. Niemann conspiracy theories happening in chess right now.
@lmeza19832 жыл бұрын
Noobs: Zerg OP (never play as Zerg) Reality: you have never in a trillion years felt the pain and anxiety that SC really is until you have a ZvZ that makes it to the late game with constant engagements where every single unit matters, just like that bane transfuse here. Being that said I hate playing as Zerg since I always feel in disadvantage, prefer to stick to Terran and Protoss but firmly believe Terran is way too good for their cost in the early and mid game. In other words they are OP that's why is the most played race.
@Necroneer2 жыл бұрын
This was a weird Z v Z
@theeraphatsunthornwit62662 жыл бұрын
Maybe rogue shouldnot play agressive after he killed the hatchery..
@Valkires12 жыл бұрын
One thing that always confuses me when it's a roach Is ravenger game It's why the other person doesn't build mutas. I'm not a pro but it just seems like a glaring solution that people rarely take.
@a9302c2 жыл бұрын
If your opponent is already heavy on roaches, mutas can't kill them fast enough before you can amass enough mutas because each roach is far cheaper and hardier than each muta, so your opponent can simply bypass and catch your bases directly. Plus, with just a few mutas early on, they can easily be countered with a few spores and queens. Players usually have to wait till they amass a large enough bank to make a mass rapid transition to mutas to try to catch their opponent offguard.
@AltoStratusX12 жыл бұрын
I'm not expert but a spire is 200/200 and takes 70 seconds to build. A roach is 19 seconds and 75/25. The vespine is like 8 roaches and time involved is like 3 roaches and thats before the mutas can even be built. At 100/100 for 24 seconds those mutalisks are going to be expensive in addition to lengthy building time to add to your army in significant enough numbers to damage the roaches in combat. Theres gonna be a distinct window while you tech where you are going going be at a roach disadvantage in the fight even if a handful of mutas get out in time they won't donslenough damage to really change the outcome. The damage output from the mutas won't be enough and you'll lose the ground battle without being able to kill the roach ravager ball before it takes objectives. In addition if the enemy falls back to his queens he now knows your comp, has presumably won a battle/taken an objective putting you back and now can take his lead and run it out into his own tech countering your mutas. If you do win the battle again you cannot push your advantage with mutas if he has his queens and/or spores so IMO its really not a great strategy IF your opponent is on the ball. If he doesn't scout it or take advantage and plays too passive yea definitely but I wouldn't suggest playing around the opponent making lots of mistakes. Again I haven't played tons since WoL lol so I could be wrong.
@Maleficarum9992 жыл бұрын
Answer is pretty simple, roach/ravager is gas heavy composition while Mutas are gas heavy too, you simply can't possibly have enough gas to make mass Mutas.
@gabapc2 жыл бұрын
Basically its correct to say that roaches are a counter to muta play. Like you could say that drones are a counter to phoenix
@gustavopuentedelavega56752 жыл бұрын
El único comentario en español :d
@Jes3monkey2 жыл бұрын
map hacks?
@Saqu00072 жыл бұрын
Pick a random number 200 or higher. Put iq strategy after it. Video title done
@danecottee68592 жыл бұрын
That's a 900 IQ strategy right there.
@freedom3412 жыл бұрын
looks like rich vs poor rich will always win because they have resources 😢
@rostyloco12 жыл бұрын
+
@drone06702 жыл бұрын
I stole that idea and did it as terran on this map
@jbwon27752 жыл бұрын
How did it go? Just set up tanks?
@drone06702 жыл бұрын
@@jbwon2775 no defense at all, since I hoped he'd never scout it, and since he didn't claim the expand there I succesfully mined it out, from the other side :D
@buffetize2 жыл бұрын
what was your opponent race?
@drone06702 жыл бұрын
@@buffetize zerg
@xzed63942 жыл бұрын
As someone who doesn’t play this game, the title made it sound like it would be much more interesting than it was. Disappointing.
@SystemEnemy2 жыл бұрын
СЛожна сложна!!! нихуя не понятно!Ё/
@bobsmith37352 жыл бұрын
Sure if he does it its genius i do it its map hacks.