Rolex Submariner Vs Tudor Black Bay - Dive Watch Comparison

[@carlosdelacadiz6658]

The Rolex Submariner is a great watch but in 50 year's that Tudor is gonna stand out alot more. The Tudor just has more character.

[@JustBlueFish]

Time will tell.

[@MarkMphonoman]

Maybe, maybe not. I won’t be here fifty years from now so I don’t really care. LOL 😂

[@ticktology]

In 50 years the Rolex will still be worth something though

[@Reno2324]

Instead of buying 1 submariner, I bought a BB S&G and a Pelagos.

[@adambernon6930]

Amen.

[@touchmylucas115]

The S&G is suuuuuuuuuuuch a nice piece...congrats on the buy! I agree the Subby, as nice as it is, isn't worth the price. You can get (as you have) two fantastic watches for the price of one fantastic watch.

[@RJ-xh4xb]

Ok...so what is the after market value of a submariner versus the after market prices of your s&g and pelagos? Not quite the same, right?

[@ikonane]

@@RJ-xh4xb Well can you even buy a Submariner from an AD?

[@brandongouge]

The truth, the light, the WAY 🙌

[@Bobsbargainbasement]

Sorry but it seems to me that particular Tudor you have has been polished by its owner and ruined the original cases lug chamfers. My 79230R has perfect chamfer to brushed definition. Also I have a 7-1/2” wrist and find the thickness does not bother me at all! Also, the design of this watch is to compliment a Vintage bygone era which I feel it does extremely well. And finally, the movement is immensely better than the ETA version , my accuracy is within1-2 sec a day since I bought it 6 months ago! Would I rather have the Rolex? Of Course! But since I paid $3000 brand new on a bracelet from an AD I am super Happy with it! Keeper for sure

[@JustBlueFish]

Yeah maybe, I didn't really consider that. I'd have assumed the owner would have pointed out that the watch was polished if it had been.

[@Bobsbargainbasement]

JustBlueFish Watch Reviews , yea Guy Definitely has been polished possibly with Cape Cod cloth !? I just looked at m8 e and yup big difference

[@BobBoyd1]

I agree - something's not right with the Tudor lugs above. I have 3 Black bays and the brushed to polish transitions are perfect and impressive. They should not look shiny like the lugs above.

[@rx-ih2ze]

Bob Boyd which bb do you have? And what order do you like the best?

[@67coronado]

For the money it’s Tudor all the way.

[@justinh1258]

Tudor finishing is basically in indistinguishable compared to Rolex. That Tudor was definitely polished, very obvious. I owned both, I’ll just flat out tell you there is no distinguishable difference in the brushing or polished finishes.

[@checksix_TC]

I have been a fan of your reviews. Appreciate your efforts. But I have found this review one sided. Singing praises about the features a $8500 watch and highlighting the short falls of how a watch costing less than half its price, is just not fair. Agreed, the Rolex is perfect in every detail and the Tudor is always gonna fall short. Spending $3700 on a watch is a substantial amount of money for some of us. It is more about managing one's expectations. What the Tudor does best is giving value for money. Not many brands sells you a COSC movement for under 4 grand. Tudor also charged less than a grand to upgrade to the in house 5602 movement. A Tudor lets mere mortals experience some of the Rolex luxury qualities that are otherwise unattainable for some. Just wanna share that the Black bay blue came out in 2014. The blue insert is the crown tube. Another thing that differentiates a Steel Rolex from a Tudor, and all steel watches is that the Rolex is made from 904L steel while the rest are made from 316L. Looking forward to your next review. Cheers.

[@JustBlueFish]

I said a lot of positives things about the Tudor, but in comparing 2 watches I have to point out where one falls short than the other. That's the point of a comparison video right? I get this sort of feedback a lot - people seem to only focus on the negatives that I point out when I do certainly cover both the good and the bad. I wonder why that is.

[@marcocastagnetti7086]

Loved your Wright up couldn't agree more.How about comparing a Tudor BB to a pre ceramic rolex you know the one with the ccrapie bracket and clasp for the price of a new Rolex or more.?

[@Cycad...]

Sir, you give the BB back handed compliments... words like "decent" or "it's ok" doesn't make BB owners or future owners feel confident that they are making a good purchase. It's just my opinion that comparing these two beautiful watches doesn't make much sense... would a person compare Lexus vs Toyota? Same concept, two different market segments. That's probably why you are getting so much negative feedback.

[@JustBlueFish]

Sorry Darryl but it’s not really my job to make people feel confident or reinforce their purchase decisions. I’m here to share my opinion. That’s what a review is, the opinions of the presenter - a critique. The B.B. is “ok” and “decent” compared to the Submariner. If you didn’t expect the B.B. to be inferior to the Submariner when you decided to view a comparison of these vastly different quality watches your expectations were very much out of line, not my assessment and presentation. And yes it does make sense to compare things to one another that are at different price tiers. Many people want to know if it’s worth it to spend the extra money on one product over the other - in this case it obviously is.

[@krunalbhavsar6878]

@@JustBlueFish can you tell me accuracy of Rolex Submariner model you have in video

[@vukotabrajovic5988]

Wonderful review, very thorough and informative! That being said, I completely disagree with almost every point mentioned in favor of Sub, because I find it not only overly hyped and borderline boring watch, but way overpriced as well. To my eye, the more vintage-ish style of Black Bay is much more compelling than beefed-up Rolex Oyster Supercase overkill. Black Bay is different enough from that typical run-of-the-mill diver's watch aesthetic. It is a large watch for sure, but with enough elegance that this Rolex simply lacks. And about that case finishing difference...hmmm...as somebody who handled literary dozens of Rolex and Tudor watches, I can claim for sure that the case finish should be almost identical. So, if something is wrong with this Black Bay, it has to do something with his owner and not with Tudor's brushing and polishing techniques. Plus, it is obvious that the reviewer personally doesn't like this Tudor very much, so his bias shows (for example, Rolex is also notorious for its lack of anti-reflecting coating and it is really more bothering on 8500$ watch than on the 3500$), but I guess that's the point - to hear various personal opinions instead of the ridiculous press-kit type of reviews... To sum it up, although I mostly disagree with the matters said in this video, it is well done (I even subscribed to the channel etc..)so, - big thumbs up!

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching and for subscribing I appreciate it.

[@rod1231]

Tudor BB got my money.

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching.

[@therichardchannel]

I wonder why Tudor doesn't put the Pelagos clasp on basically all their watches? It's the only part of the Pelagos that's not titanium and would give an instant upgraded part that has tool-less micro-adjust.

[@JustBlueFish]

All of the major manufacturers have a product they could use but don’t. I don’t understand why.

[@Bugster987]

It’s each to their own. Personally I like the vintage style (inc new rivet bracelet) of the Black Bays more than the sub. Especially the red and black versions. Thickness is my biggest problem but that’s been sorted by the BB58.

[@JustBlueFish]

Yeah I would like to check out a BB58 and see how that stacks up.

[@rx-ih2ze]

The 58 only comes in black though!

[@A_Dude_And_His_Watch78]

The new Tudor BB58 at 39mm is a killer.

[@carssv]

My perfect sub would be ceramic with slimmer lugs and less text clutter. I asume that we will have slimmer lugs in a near/medium future, not so sure of less text clutter.

[@JustBlueFish]

No telling what they will do in the future.

[@markw-2025]

So, I have never seen a Steinhart, but I have to ask: Is there a big step in fit and finish between a Steinhart vs Tudor Black Bay (the new one)? You would know above most, since you have reviewed Steinhart. Thank you, seriously have to make a choice.

[@markw-2025]

A big difference is the steel used. Doesn't Rolex use 916 steel vs the standard 316?

[@TheWayofGrace89]

Really there’s no substitute for the Sub imo. You could argue otherwise. It’s all personal opinion. But for me, the Tudor just doesn’t have that ‘it’ factor. In that 2-3k price range, I’d go SMP300 Ceramic for sure. The only problem with the Sub is that it is painfully expensive. Otherwise, perfect.

[@JustBlueFish]

I really need to get ahold of a SMPc one of these days.

[@jakejones6056]

Tough to compare the finish of the two when that Tudor's been polished to death. The bevelled lugs are all but obliterated and the brushed finish has been polished clean off.

[@JustBlueFish]

ya that might be the case.

[@bogrot69]

@@JustBlueFish I see what you did there 😀

[@Tomatohater64]

Your reviews are genuinely the best in all social media; superb.

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks Stephen.

[@walkerb1734]

I recently purchased the Tudor BB58 in blue. Absolute stunner! Might be the best daily wear watch ever!

[@galaga8834]

Aesthetically (ignoring the obvious overpolishing) the Tudor is a more interesting watch and the ETA versions are already commanding more on the preowned market than the inhouse in the 41mm line.

[@rotorwind177]

Nice review. I’m being thinking of a BB. Need to try it on again to see if the flat case back bothers me

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks Rotor, appreciate it. Good luck with the BB if you decide to get one.

[@olemanolete1]

Tudor red, because I have one ;)

[@MarkMphonoman]

I’ll bet it’s a beauty. 👍

[@Sichelschnitt]

The Tudor has been case-polished! The lugs have totally lost their definition; the chamfer has to be crisp and clean, but here it is roundpolished. It's not soft, it's overpolished. Especially the lug on 7 o clock.

[@JustBlueFish]

You think? I don't really know, but I'd have guessed the owner would have mentioned that to me if it were polished.

[@Sichelschnitt]

I am very certain, as I own a similar Tudor (red bezel). Check some Hi-res macro pictures and compare the definition of the chamfers and of the lugs. Also, take note of the diagonal brushing on top of the lugs. Maybe it's just the lighting in your video, but it looks very soft on yours. Also, there is a slight "break" in reflection on the lug, which heavily indicates refinishing.

[@namaguitar]

Can’t find the FB group. Has it been deleted?

[@Tomatohater64]

I love both of these watches, but I'll take the Sub; actually, I love the basic, no-date Submariner best of all. Timeless classic with superb reliability - my kind of watch.

[@JustBlueFish]

Yeah I’d be happy with either but the Sub is the king of the hill.

[@MarkMphonoman]

No date Sub is numero uno. 👍👍👍👍

[@pierremartin9048]

The “look” of the BB really stands out for me, I much prefer the top view of the BB due to the bezel being coin edge, the knurlings on the Rolex takes away

[@InChristJesus87]

Without a shadow of a doubt the Sub is the Gold standard however the Tudor with the in house movement is exceptional and in my opinion is the best piece to purchase at 4 grand and below.

[@JustBlueFish]

It’s a great watch and good value, my issue with the Tudor are almost entirely to do with the style and design. Subjective, yes. But a critique is from the perspective of the reviewer after all. I would like to review a new BB58 that might be one I really like.

[@MarkMphonoman]

I agree with you that Tudor is the watch to buy in its price range. Why? It comes with the Rolex family heritage. As more people realize it is a baby Rolex, it’s value and perception as an exceptional watch will go up. Just my humble opinion. 😊

[@ticktology]

Both great dive watches. The Sub is the most iconic dive watch in horology and the Tudor is an excellent value. Video is way too long and should be 12-15 mins max.

[@nickgarcia5799]

Why would an eta movement be more desirable than the in house movement of the new watch? The new movement also has 71 hours of power reserve.

[@watchcollectingstrategy]

This makes me miss my old Blackbay blue :( I love the ETA version regardless what people say, it's a time and a date watch... who cares if it's inhouse or not lol

[@JustBlueFish]

You should get another!

[@watchcollectingstrategy]

@@JustBlueFish I really would! What stops me really is the size, if they release the 39mm version of the blue bezel it will be on my wrist the next day

[@adambernon6930]

Most Rolex aren’t actually in house...so I agree who cares.

[@blyatman635]

You are getting together a lot of high end watches and doing some much desired comparison videos, in great detail and higher quality than the biggest channels on KZbin. In my opinion you should have the biggest audience, but keep it up cause you are surely getting there.

[@JustBlueFish]

Hey oly, how's it going? Thanks for watching and for the feedback. Hopefully the channel continues to grow!

[@blyatman635]

@@JustBlueFish Doing well, been focusing on my career lately and I can see you are doing the same with your KZbin career. I am sure the channel will have a boom soon, the information and quality is outstanding, keep it up !

[@privateinfo4820]

Nice, good job man.. wish they'd put the new inhouse movement in the old bracelet/dial/etc.. for the Black Bay :(

[@JustBlueFish]

That would be a good combination.

[@benwong1111]

I wish the new black bay 58 have this smiley at the bottom and the rose at the top

[@JustBlueFish]

I need to check out the BB58. It would be cool if it had the rose logo and smile text.

[@Nick.random]

I own the Tudor Black Bay. This exact one. It was my first higher end watch. I normally wore a Seiko 5. My next purchase is a Submariner, probably the no date. My main reason was cost. I got my Tudor for $2500 in mint condition.

[@adambernon6930]

There really are such better watches at that price point. Omega Seamaster pro is a better watch than the sub at half the price. IWC movements kill the sub. If you’re about to drop $8k I’d really search everywhere. I just personally don’t get the submariner obsession. It’s a Range Rover. A recognizable statue symbol. Just like the Range, they’re not worth it. And I own both lol

[@andrewst12]

I owned the 114060 before and I now own the black bay in house black bezel. The Rolex's bezel is easier to grip compared to Tudor's. If money is no object, I would definitely pick the Rolex, it's just a better watch overall. Everything just looks finer and sharper in details. However, the black bay is one great watch for the money and the reason I bought one is because I love the gilt dials and vintage look of it. I have replaced my sub with a GMT BLNR and while the Tudor with in house movement is much thicker, it hasn't bothered me yet. I bought the tudor to wear it casually and in my opinion, it is great at that and it looks great on various straps too unlike modern Rolex.

[@JustBlueFish]

A Tudor BB and a GMT BLNR is a nice combo.

[@chrisrac88]

Excellent comparison! I have this exact Tudor and while I love it, I think a Rolex Sub will definitely have a place in my collection though may take some time to obtain. Keep it up!

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching.

[@Ferien7]

Chris Rac any issues with your black bay?

[@anotherwatch]

Great video. My heart says Tudor. Just like the look of it. The Sub is an icon but I am not prepared to suck up to ADs just to be considered worthy of being on their phantom lists. Also, I am not prepared to buy at over retail at the grey market.

[@dlrides]

The Tudor is a proportionally better looking watch due to the 22mm lug width, but .................................. An ETA 2824 is better than in-house (designed by Rolex), 70hr power reserve, COSC certified movement ??????????

[@JustBlueFish]

What?

[@TheBoss8960]

I would always pick the Rolex as well but then again you and I share alot of your opinions and I also own a 116610LN myself and yes I agree it is one of the best watches ever made. But that is not to say that the Tudor is a bad or ugly watch I think it is a great watch as well.

[@JustBlueFish]

The Tudor isn’t bad, but I’ve heard a lot of people say it’s just as good as the Sub and I never really knew.

[@lukemccann2024]

The new Tudor heritage is a no brainer over the old rose Tudor 70hr power reserve, better quality bezel, more accurate time keeping, the new release also comes with a nato strap to swap out between with the steel bracelet, also on the second hand market I can pick up one for around £2300 easy practically brand new. The only reason anyone will pick the Tudor rose is because it’s slightly thinner and it has a rose symbol.

[@darkestfugue]

i dont know why anyone would buy a black bay when the oris aquis exists, not only is it nearly a 3rd of the price, but its a better watch, 300m water resistance, better bracelet better strap, 12mm thick, ceramic bezel, the tudor has a better movement but theres nothing wrong with the sellita in the aquis, i have a first gen model, kept it and sold my seamaster, the aquis gets all my wrist time

[@jsnyder0512]

I have worn my inhouse Movement Black Bay everyday now for over two years. I think it is perfect.

[@Ferien7]

Jim Snyder I’m considering the both the bb and bb58. Any suggestions?

[@airborneSGT]

Personally I like the Submariner reference 16610 over the Tudor. I have seen Submariner dates in reference 16610 go for around $6500 so for me that would be the selling point. If price was my main driving factor then the Tudor would make sense. While I like Rolex watches, I am not a fan of the larger lugs and "chunkier" looks of the new sport references. Great comparison and your videos are always objective.

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching buddy.

[@bigbrotherwatchesdannyboy306]

Love the blue black bay! The blue bezel gives me ghost bezel vibes. ❤

[@robs.3409]

Great video, as usual. I agree with you the the Black Bay is too chunky. You should try on the new BB 58 if you get the chance. You will see that most of your issues with size of the BB have been resolved. Thanks again for the great videos.

[@JustBlueFish]

Has the BB58 started hitting the open market yet? I haven't seen anyone report getting one yet. I'd like to check one out though.

[@robs.3409]

JustBlueFish Watch Reviews i bought one about 6 weeks ago from my AD. I live in Toronto, Canada. I am not sure how the supply is in the states. In any case, i think you will be pleasantly surprised. I have the older ETA BB with burgundy bezel and I have the sub ceramic no date. I have to say that the 58 is more comfortable on my 7” wrist than both the sub and the 41 mm BB.

[@robs.3409]

Guillo Tine, sorry buddy I don’t feel comfortable putting vids on KZbin. But don’t let the serviceability of the in house movement keep you from getting it. It may need servicing in 10 yrs. who knows what will happen by then. And even if you do service it then, the cost difference over 10 years will be insignificant. The rose and the smily face on the old BB is something purely personal and one would decide with the heart as oppose to the head. I think overall, the comfort of wearing a timepiece will prevail over the esthetics, at least for me. I think you will be much happier with the 58 cause it is much more comfortable to wear. That is if your wrist size is not on the large side.

[@galaga8834]

Another great video Guy. I agree with everything you said. I have that same Black Bay. It is nowhere near my most comfortable watch. It can get heavy on the wrist as I also wear my watch low down like you explained. I am on the wait list for a Submariner no date. After viewing this video and giving it some thought I think I will now flip my Tudor and keep my Omega 2500D Planet Ocean, despite some people suggesting I do the opposite and sell the PO :). The Black Bay is too similar to the more superior Rolex Submariner, I can now see that clearly when it is presented side by side with the Rolex. It will always be in the Submariner's shadow whilst the Omega Seamaster has enough individuality and aesthetic to maintain its position in my rotation. Thanks again Guy. All you now have to do is convince me to get the date over the no date. Cheers mate.

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching buddy. Keeping the PO makes a lot of sense and flipping the Tudor for the Submariner is probably the right call.

[@danhornaday7319]

I wholeheartedly agree. I have a sub no date 114060. For tudor money I couldn't see purchasing Rolex off brand. I wouldn't want to have to go through the whole "It's made by Rolex spiel." For that money I'd buy a planet ocean 8900 in blue. I don't dislike tudor, i just do the think I would ever buy one. However if someone were to give me a Blue Pelagos......

[@lonewolf30531]

Great review thanks .

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks I appreciate it.

[@mikedolphin4307]

hello, recent subscriber, and certainly a novice in the Waterworld, so I was wondering, if perhaps you have done any kind of a review or comparison inclusive of the tudor Blackbay Pro. I like the looks and the price point would prefer to see a flat crystal versus the rounded look…thoughts? by the way, if you’ve already done a review, please point me to that, don’t want to waste your time.

[@mikedolphin4307]

suppose to be Watch world

[@JustBlueFish]

Sorry I haven't done a review of the BB Pro yet.

[@kosflorin]

I’m seeing some back play in the bezel of the submariner in your video

[@JustBlueFish]

There is a little.

[@kosflorin]

JustBlueFish Watch Reviews thank you for the reply , the Tudor has any backplay ? Because I’m considering buying it

[@macoyupadoodle]

Rolex safety latch loosens up through the years ....... like a lot . Don't know about the new bracelet though. If Tudors ceramic bearings for the locks are replaceable then that would be great. And i think Tudor has a longer power reserve compared to Rolex . Those are the only advantages i see , and i do agree the fake rivets in the Tudor bracelet sucks . In the end i would get the Pelagos LHD.

[@JustBlueFish]

Pelagos looks nice. I need to check one of them out.

[@macoyupadoodle]

JustBlueFish Watch Reviews . Well it's not as pretty as the but the Black Bay but it comes with all the bells and whistles of a proper diver (the best bracelet IMO) . Basically a butch watch 😁

[@Cycad...]

Good review, however I wish the comparison was between the eta Tudor vs the pre-ceramic Rolex sub. Jmo.

[@jorgeballesteros7966]

Los dos relojes son hermosos, me quedo con Tudor Black Bay Heritage blue bisel, el de la Rosa y el smile face.

[@leonardco7619]

Can you make a Tudor Black Bay Burgundy in-house extensive review?

[@pedroqueiros6403]

Nice video, great image, it takes balls nowadays to like the ceramic sub over the aluminium one, because of the "hipe" believe me, i am one of them... I like both, and own both, but on a daily basis i prefer the ceramic one over the aluminium any time...i have no problems assuming that ...thank you for sharing. And please, dont make me shop on amazon!! Wife does!! 😁 That litle sneaky amazon shopping, push of a button!! ahahaha

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching, last my live the SubC!

[@MarkMphonoman]

I own the ceramic model. However, I know I would totally enjoy the luminous model. I don’t know why, but there is something about aluminum as a metal that I just like. 👍

[@esbee1177]

Alright, this is 5 years later. I gave my best to fall in love with Tudor watches. And then, last week, I sat at the AD‘s and had on the desk the Sub 124060, the Black Bay 58 and the Pelagos. But, t.b.h. I can not find an argument (besides the price tag) in the world, why anyone would see those watches in the same category. The Tudors are nice, once you have the Sub in your hands, there‘s no turning back. Sorry, Tudor. 🤷🏻‍♂️ And sorry bank account. 😂

[@maitrehg]

I am fortunate to own two Tudors. ETA and in house. Personally, I find them more beautiful than the Rolex. By far. The Sub is so boring. Bezel action on both Tudors is better. Crown action on the Tudor in house is also better.

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching buddy I appreciate it. Enjoy those Tudors!

[@jebberjeb]

Trade them in for one sub

[@maitrehg]

Jeb Beich I will think about it!

[@gI-jl3lq]

Have you worn a Rolex Submariner to compare?

[@jebberjeb]

Actually, that was really a rude comment of me, I apologize. I like the tudors too, especially the black bay bronze. If you like them, then that's awesome. I have several Rolex and I never wear them. Daily wear watch is a weird looking Speedmaster w/ a date.

[@niki9768]

I owned both the BB 2012 red bezel and 2015 blue face Pelagos in titanium. More bang for the buck in my opinion.

[@micksumo]

Great video. Same sized wrist as you so good to see you wearing watches. I have a Black Bay ETA and i prefer it to the sub. Value for money wise it's second to none. I also like the fact that Tudor is becoming the cool cousin. Rolex is so unattainable that i actually have no desire to get a sub. AD's in the UK are generally unfriendly and not enjoyable to deal with. If i got a Rolex sports watch would probably look at a Sea-dweller.

[@robinc3307]

I have the burgundy version of the black bay i think its a great watch ...i agree the ETA version for me is better looking and more desirable.....i think the tudor bracelet matches its case a bit more...but ive never been a fan of the maxi case....the Rolex looks better finished...and i can say ive had my Tudor for around 2 years...and it is quite banged up...the high polished case scratches too easily and ive got a couple of dings in the bezel and i have had an issue with the crown /crown tube binding and not locking diwn as far as it should.....that said i love it and think its great value ive worn it most days and dont baby it at all........but if you want to swap it for your sub...im your man😂😂

[@JustBlueFish]

I’ll let ya know when I’m ready to trade!

[@tomfraser924]

You should check out the bezel click on the Deep Blue Depthmaster 3000 I know it is no longer manufactured but it feels even better than my Rolex Deep Sea Seadweller.

[@softmetals3702]

i have both of these and a few of each,like them almost equally,almost but i think like most people and sure you can lie but we tend to side with the rolex because of status status status. lets be honest with ourselves and when someone says tudor is a poor mans rolex i feel if someone can afford a tudor or any luxury watch they can do a rolex so its not junk and does the mvmnt really matter we are not timing mike phelps laps after all.both just fine

[@jackdillon4467]

You should rotate the bezels the same speed rather then going only one click at a time on the Tudor. I have the 16610 sub which I like better then this larger Sub reference. I love the Rolex and the Tudor. I really love the snowflake hands on the Tudor. My Tudor is the chronometer in house movement. On my 2 watches the lume on the Tudor is brighter and lasts all night as opposed to my Sub. But then I bought my Sub new in 2003.

[@MB-ll5si]

I just bought the latest Heritage Black Bay Red with leather strap and i'm sure the new inhouse movement is much better then the ETA 2824. I already own a few watches with the ETA2824 movement and this new one from Tudor got the 70 hour power reserve. It's also cosc certified, so it's more accurate. I also like the new dial more then the old one.

[@JustBlueFish]

How did you find the overall thickness on the new version?

[@MB-ll5si]

@@JustBlueFish it's taller then my GMT2 Batman but still wears comfortable. The weight with the leather strap is perfect too. Great video by the way 👍🏻

[@DavidDatura]

The Black Bay 58 might get closer to the Rolex Sub overall, if not when it comes to ultimate quality. But then like the Heritage here, it’s a heck of a lot more affordable! You mention the official retail price of the Rolex, but you still can’t really get them at retail. If you want one now and not be put on a years long waiting list, you have to purchase used, where they go for way above retail! Surely you’re aware of that? A Black Bay of almost any flavor (with the exception maybe of a 58 and a GMT I believe too) you can go into an AD and purchase straight away, maybe even at a discount...there’s something to be said about that.

[@fhaquuu]

I can afford the sub easily but not at the point I can justify paying the inflated prices.. I'm happy with what the Tudor offers and feel like these are two completely different watches. It's the Tudor for me and maybe down the line I will sell it to fund a grail.. I do think the no date o the Tudor and the smiley text and rose logo is very balanced and has way more character and a huge amount of charm and wrist presence for an entry level luxury diver!! Thx for r review

[@pauls3423]

The 39mm Tudor BB58 in blue got my money and I have a bigger wrist at 7.5" than you. My timegrapher is showing +/- 0 and the faux rivets take me back to 1958. If I need a Mercedes symbol I'll go look at the air intake on my SLK. I'm just messing with you because I have been looking for a Sub since May with no luck ... yet have been offered 2 Tudor BB58s in blue since it was announced in July. I turned down the first one because I was going to hold out for the Sub ... BUT bought the second one that came along and absolutely love getting a really nice everyday dive watch for about what I paid for my Rolex Datejust in 1989. I wanted a blue dial diver and the Rolex Smurf is not desirable, obtainable, or affordable for me.

[@nicka113]

Your a little bias obviously as you bought the roley. I agree it’s better but the price is reflected accordingly. Video could have been a quarter of the length to.

[@rj-yr4ql]

i go with the Tudor. I like Rolex watches, but I don't see any for sale in the AD. I hate the way Rolex conduct their business. Really nothing against the Rolex watches. They are excellent. I guess it's a matter of "love the one you are with".

[@excelerater]

The new 58 is super nice if you can find one

[@JustBlueFish]

I haven’t seen one yet.

[@dimitriskekos]

nice and detailed presentation one more that you can add to your videos is to show the lume of all the watches you compare is something that interests the watch enthusiasts. I hope I helped :) And from me ROLEX RULES :)

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching Dimitris.

[@BobBoyd1]

Hey Guy. I've been enjoying your videos! I realize this was a comparison video but I just wanted to offer one thought... When Tudors are reviewed I often find that the history of the brand is overlooked in favor of opinions on cosmetics (especially from Rolex owners). Things like the Rose then Shield logos historically, the curved text being a historic design cue, moving from the Mercedes to Snowflake handset for bigger lume and use by the French Marine Nationale. Often the takeaway boils down to "it's not a Rolex" and it's a little unfortunate that it tends to stop there. Price aside, as Rolex has pushed more into looking like jewelry with the 6 digit models (thick lugs, shiny bezels, oversized bezel fonts), there are some of us that prefer Tudor retaining the classic Rolex/Tudor tool-watch aesthetic Rolex has moved away from to an extent. I realize you can't include everything in a video but I've enjoyed learning about Tudor's own tool watch history (apart from Rolex) and at least felt like it was worth mentioning since that history is the reason behind many of their current design cues. I have the 79220b and 79220n and they will likely never leave my collection. Again, this is all more of a thought than a criticism. Keep up the good work!

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching and fair points. As it’s not a full review of the Tudor and more of a comparison I didn’t have time to dedicate to those historical points you mentioned.

[@Jeremy-gi6ml]

Good job. Just like to point out. Silicon not silicone

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching.

[@billcosgrave6232]

Good objective vid! BTW, I passed on the Tudor as well.

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks Bill.

[@joet.plumber3771]

I like your Smiley face rendition of the watch !

[@Jedi391]

I actually prefer the snowflake hands to the Mercedes hands. Of course the sword style hands are better than either. The Submariner that Rolex should make is the Ginault Ocean Rover.

[@simonrushton4639]

Put it up against the Pelagos ? Even your biased view would have to concede.

[@Watchthekettle]

Both are a good combo to have

[@markw-2025]

You have basically said, the Tudor BB 41 (with the in-house movement), is closer to the Sub than the Rose, older one! Nuff said. Hey, its all good!!!

[@stonems61]

Rolex Submariner is my choice.

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching.

[@MarkMphonoman]

Of course. If you can afford it, the Sub is the only way to go, hands down.😊

[@AbstractMan23]

12:29 the Tudor has most definitely been over-polished! Looks bad...

[@ilyamaltsev5009]

you need a better camera dude

[@JustBlueFish]

Was that an offer to buy me one?

[@gradeawarrior]

I love your courage and comment about the snowflake hands. I swear I thought I was the only one! It’s a personal opinion and it makes these reviews IMO more credible and genuine because it’s from a real person versus a fanboy (or girl). Great review!

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks Peter. I’m sure I’ve heard others say they don’t like the snowflakes. Maybe... I can’t remember now. Either way, they’re not doing it for me.

[@Unam469]

The Rolex Submariner is too damn expensive. The Tudor is a great alternative, but for a bit more you can buy a Seamaster which distinguishes itself by not being a sister brand.

[@Edsnyder486]

I love the Tudor 70 hour reserve price.

[@mrb317]

Awful review. One sided and lack of knowledge in many areas. This is just one man's opinion, not objective nor insightful, just an opinion video.

[@JustBlueFish]

Congrats, you know the definition of a review. The opinion of the presenter. Clearly it doesn't align with your opinion but being as personal taste is completely subjective, I'd think you'd recognize that everyone has different opinions. Thanks for watching.

[@mrb317]

@@JustBlueFish that's not a definition of a review, it's the definition of an opinion. Your 'review' isn't objective, you don't offer fair comparisons, thus it's more of an opinion. You should rename the video to 'my opinion between the rolex sub and Tudor black bay'

[@JustBlueFish]

@@mrb317 Reviews generally ARE NOT objective. They are subjective. Read any movie, restaurant or art review. If you don't value the opinions of the person making the presentation avoid their reviews. A completely subjective review would be quite boring.

[@TinBin-Craig]

i do really like Tudor Pelagos Diver 42mm Blue better...

[@JustBlueFish]

I haven’t really seen one in person other than briefly at a dealer, but I’d like to check one out.

[@TinBin-Craig]

be really nice if u could... on your wish list lol

[@antraciet]

Good review ! I would go for the Rolex too.

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks!

[@Cracker130]

God you are quite a fussy chap, do you have problems picking out your favourite socks compared to a new pair?

[@JustBlueFish]

I do not, no.

[@rolandharris6843]

"if I couldn't afford the submariner"...wow, now that is a textbook sneak diss!

[@64Sq]

The Tudor looks so much more refined (BB58)

[@MarkMphonoman]

The Tudor is nice looking. What I don’t like about it, vs, Rolex, when comparing price/value is that there are no precious metals in it. The Sub has platinum on its numbers on the bezel and white gold surrounding the face indices and minute/hour hands. I know it’s not much gold/platinum. It is just the point. My personal feeling is that all watches in both of these price ranges, from Rolex and Tudor should have at least a little precious metals on them somewhere. Just my humble opinion. 😊

[@RobinKampschoer]

The Tudor 100%

[@ajaxforever5473]

I have the same ETA version Tudor BB. Great watch, love it. One downside and i do not hear anybody complain about it so maybe "problem" is my "thing", but i find the outer clasp (notthe elbow joint) flimsey and tinny. Especially compared to my Rolex Explorer clasp and my Omega clasps. But maybe i am nitpicking

[@ajaxforever5473]

I hear you talk about the clasp in the video. Perhaps i find the clasp more flimsey than you. But i have to so say my Steinhart has just as thick metal on the clasp as my Tudor.

[@JustBlueFish]

The clasp is better then a $200 Seiko, but it’s not very impressive for the price of the watch.

[@ajaxforever5473]

Thank you. There is really no KZbin reviewer or reviewer on the web that touched on the so-so clasp.

[@4034miguel]

I have only experience with the North Flag MT5621 caliber. Everything works flawlessly: date, winding, hour setting and is doing -1 spd. Excellent movement. Tudor got a new fan based on how good the N.F. is and the new offerings....but those rivets :-). Even though, that weights less than the other features. Cheers!

[@JustBlueFish]

I’ve only really heard of problems with the new GMT movement. I’d guess yours would be fine.

[@jswede1]

It’s funny how someone can say they like tool watches and then say they don’t like the ultimate tool in any watch ever - the ultimate ‘form follows function’ - Tudor’s snowflake hand.

[@carloscontreras3633]

That looks like the new release of the Tudor.

[@paulcb4504]

LOL! Bracelet over movement...seriously?

[@martinharrison4245]

Rolex 4 me !!!

[@calidog3103]

Tudor

[@ruffoandgabriel]

The black bay is the better watch.

[@krystianstepien5835]

Sub looks more rugged. A tough tool machine. Bezel in Tudor look more delicate. In the money of Tudor I prefer Omega Seamaster. I always think about Tudor Black Bay is the Sub for those who cannot afford for a SUB. PS. This Tudor piece is repolished ... very poor job made by owner or some creative watchmaker. I have better looking brushed Orient Mako II.

[@JustBlueFish]

Yeah I think I’d go for a Seamaster too for the money.

[@Ferien7]

Krystian Stępień seamaster is more blingy, though. The bb looks more rugged