Roman Catholic's Dogma of the Immaculate Conception

[@ronedwards8239]

The dogma about Mary in the Catholic Church is bonkers!

[@adam9817]

You think it's bonkers because you don't understand Christianity...

[@adam9817]

Mary is all over scripture.

[@andrewg37]

@@adam9817 you know what isn't all over scripture? What Francis just said in Singapore. "All religions are paths to God". Absolute heretic who is preaching a different Gospel than what is found in Scripture. Galatians 1:8-9 (ESV) 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. You don't understand Christianity or Scripture if you think Francis represents the leader of all Christendom, yet preaches a false Gospel.

[@adam9817]

@andrewg37 that's not what he was saying at all...

[@andrewg37]

@@adam9817of course he wasn’t. Catholics have the worst Stockholm Syndrome ever.

[@wc8048]

As someone tempted to the Catholic church, I have to say you are an excellent apologist.

[@josephmyers9843]

Be drawn to Rome, but don't believe Modernism. Hold to the Catholic Faith to save your eternal soul. The Faith is what is needed, not the Church pews to be seated! The Dogmatic Quicumque says that you need to hold the Catholic Faith for salvation!!! Plus the Dogma that states: OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO SALVATION NOR REMISSION OF SIN!

[@josephmyers9843]

@M J At least you are thinking on this!

[@SuperrBoyful]

Kevin Cobb You should be drawn to the Catholic Church because Jesus wanted only one, singular, unified body through His Church and has made it very clear through the writings of His Apostles and The Early Church Fathers Colossians 1:24 “Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I complete what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church.” Romans 2:4-5 “For as in *one* body we have many members, and all the members do not have the same function, so we, though many, are *one* body in Christ, and individually members one of another.” Every single protestant church is a heresy. They don’t follow the original teachings of the apostles nor the Early Church Fathers. To elaborate, every Christian sect other than Eastern Orthodoxy or Roman Catholicism is considered heretic because they are composed of false doctrines contrary to the original Christian doctrine, found in the writings of the Early Church Fathers. Every Church Father wrote upon the Catholic doctrine. They believed in the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, salvation belonging to all not the “elect” , baptismal renewal, the priesthood, and so forth. Read the writings of St. Ignatius (108-140 AD) who wrote countless times upon the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. Ignatius writes: “Those who hold heretical opinions about the grace of Jesus Christ … refuse to acknowledge that the Eucharist is the flesh of our savior Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins and which the Father by his goodness raised up” (Smyrnaeans 6.2). In one passage, Ignatius simply identifies our faithfulness with “the flesh of the Lord” and our love with “the blood of Jesus Christ” (Trallians 8.1). The Eucharist enables us to love God and one another with Christ’s own fidelity and charity, which is the very content of salvation (Ephesians 14.1)

[@matthewbroderick8756]

@M J Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, built His Church on Peter the rock, way before the new testament was even written! Faith alone and Scripture alone, are man made traditions not found in Holy Scripture or the Church authority that existed way before the new testament was even written! Mary is the foretold woman in Genesis at enmity with satan, she AND HER OFFSPRING, Jesus Christ, as Mary was saluted by the Archangel Gabriel as being full of grace, even before baptism, which removes sin. You are in my prayers as you journey toward Truth! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink

[@firingallcylinders2949]

Don't fall for it. Many people, young men especially are being pulled to Rome as of late. As a young Reformed man I ground myself in the 5 Solas so as to not be swept away by their false doctrine. If you're not on solid Biblical ground on the surface their teachings sound good. They always say "to be deep in history is to cease to he Protestant" Well I say "to be deep in the Bible is to cease to be Roman Catholic".

[@childoftheonetrueking7761]

Documents that were validated as from John, Paul, Peter, James, Luke, Mark, and Matthew were well circulated and accepted. Rome was late to the game and simply re-iterated what was already being used by the Holy Spirit to spread God's Word. The New Testament Pre-dates all 'popes'.

[@HisLivingStone241]

Not to mention the Catholic Church didn't have an official Bible until 1546. I guess the Church failed in proclaiming Christ to the world for 1516 years.

[@mimm091285]

Peter was the Pope. Protestants came 15 centuries late.

[@Tanjaicholan]

@@mimm091285 please use scripture to claim Peter was the first Pope. Your Magisterium issued unbiblical Dogmas in the Council of Trent 1544-63 Vatican I and II to insulate itself from accusations of heresy! There was a “Plurality of Leadership” in the First Jerusalem Council. Peter, was an Apostle - First among “Equals” but James, an Elder passes Judgement concerning Gentile Converts. Peter’s “Office” is witnessed throughout Scripture. Now the names of the twelve apostles are these: The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; and James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; - Matthew 10:2 And when day came, He called His disciples to Him and chose twelve of them, whom He also named as apostles: - Luke 6:13 The apostles and the elders came together to look into this matter. - Acts 15:6 After they had stopped speaking, James answered, saying, “Brethren, listen to me. Simeon has related how God first concerned Himself about taking from among the Gentiles a people for His name. - Acts 15:13-14 Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, - Acts 15:19 Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them to send to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas⁠-Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren, and they sent this letter by them, “The apostles and the brethren who are elders, to the brethren in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia who are from the Gentiles, greetings. - Acts 15:22-23 Now while they were passing through the cities, they were delivering the decrees which had been decided upon by the apostles and elders who were in Jerusalem, for them to observe. - Acts 16:4 Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas? - 1 Corinthians 9:5 And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues. - 1 Corinthians 12:28 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, - Ephesians 2:20 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure. - 1 Peter 1:1-2 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ: - 2 Peter 1:1 Peter Preaches the Gospel and Teaches the Juvenile Church! After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe. - Acts 15:7 for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God. - 1 Peter 1:23 Therefore, I will always be ready to remind you of these things, even though you already know them, and have been established in the truth which is present with you. - 2 Peter 1:12

[@mimm091285]

@@Tanjaicholan You forgot to mention that the church is the Pilar of truth, not scripture (1 Timothy 3:15). If we ask who gave the protestants the Bible, the trinity, the understanding of the incarnation and who Christ was, then that was the church in its councils because the church is the Pilar of Truth. The authority of the Church is so clear attested in the scripture that just someone who wants to close the eyes in front of the scripture can deny it. What protestants have is a great pride. They don't want to accept the truth because they don't want to accept not only the fact that they really came late, but also the fact that they are wrong and have been wrong for more than 500 years.

[@KristiLEvans1]

@@mimm091285 *Scripture* isn’t the Pilar of truth? So… it’s no good to use it to prove that Peter was a Pope, then. The church can claim what it wishes, then self-authenticates. That sounds like something we’d call a “racket”, in the U.S..

[@anthonym.7653]

This dogma was always a stretch and requires a lot of mental gymnastics to make it work.

[@KristiLEvans1]

I can’t believe this vid has 12k views. I’ve gone back to this so many times in my discussions about this (and other) dogmas. Should have a million views.

[@SuperrBoyful]

It’s false among majority of Biblical scholars. Including Martin Luther, who is the father of Protestantism.

[@KristiLEvans1]

@@SuperrBoyful what, specifically, is false?

[@KristiLEvans1]

@@SuperrBoyful Martin Luther was not intending to split the Catholic Church or start a reformation. I’m sure he had a lot of 14th-16th C. views that were unBiblical. In fact, we can see that in his early letters. His theology refined as he studied only Scripture, and again, we see that in his writings, over time, but no man’s theology is perfect. That’s why we don’t hold men ABOVE Scripture. Given the intense crisis of papal tyranny and confusion with the synodal Pope, Bergoglio, I’d think a lot of lay Catholics would rethink getting their theology from a string of men who aren’t nearly as serious about Scripture as they are about politics and power.

[@SuperrBoyful]

@@KristiLEvans1 The entire Calvinist doctrine is false. You say, **“that’s why we don’t hold men above Scripture.”** I’m not sure who you’re referring to when you say “we” because your entire interpretation & doctrines of Scripture is derived from John Calvin’s 16th century heretical doctrines-especially if you follow James White. Calvin derived many of his doctrines from Martin Luther, who was the first Protestant Reformer in 1517.

[@SuperrBoyful]

@@KristiLEvans1 Be mindful when you say “unbiblical.” You’re actually imposing your 16th century Calvinist interpretation to the Bible & referring your mere interpretations to be “biblical”…when it’s in fact not biblical at all. Especially when you compare your doctrines to the early Apostolic Christians, Early Church Fathers, who lived in the same time frame as the Apostles (and came 1400 years before Calvin) they wrote upon Apostolic Succession, the Eucharist, the Priesthood, Baptismal regeneration, and so forth. (All of which cannot be found in Protestantism-especially Calvinism)

[@davidbalicki3567]

If she proclaims that God is her Savior - what is God saving her from? Can't be sin, right?

[@davidbalicki3567]

@Bernard Ordiz If she was saved in advance? Saved from what? If she sinned, she need to be saved. If she never sinned - she never needed to be saved.

[@davidbalicki3567]

@Bernard Ordiz Sorry, no one is saved from sin. Salvation comes to those who are sinners. Mary was conceived by her mother in iniquity - just as every person was (except Jesus). Mary needed salvation, so she needed a Savior. Jesus saved Mary. Mary declared Jesus to be her Savior. I was born in sin and committed sin - I needed a Savior. Jesus is my Savior. Again, no one is saved from sin. Sorry.

[@For3nity]

@@davidbalicki3567 Original sin . #404 ............And that is why original sin is called "sin" only in an analogical sense: it is a sin "contracted" and not "committed" - a state and not an act. ==> www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p7.htm#389

[@ym_cod1882]

@Bernard Ordiz okay but how is Exodus 33:3 have to do with this? It’s a genuine question

[@jasonseyo2021]

@Bernard Ordiz sorry, Jesus never said my mother is the way to God. Catholics have made an idol out of Mary, and will be judged for it. I do pray for all of you to accept Jesus as your “personal” savior. Have a great New Year in Christ.

[@mysticmouse7261]

I see no point in debating Catholicism which is self-authorising. It is its own final authority. Therefore Scrpture can be overriden.

[@s_hrndz0119]

it’s a weird moment when you realize that if Mary was perpetually a virgin then Joseph would’ve also been the same or at least never consummated the marriage 😬

[@jaihummel5057]

Matthew 1:24-25 [24] When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, [25] but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus. He knew her not UNTIL. To 'know your wife' is scripture talk for intercourse. This is throughout the Bible. Cain KNEW HIS WIFE and she bore him a son, etc etc. It says Joseph did not know his wife UNTIL. Meaning there was a point where he did! This is a critical verse which is often overlooked by Catholics, Joseph knew his wife Mary. He had intercourse with her and she bore siblings for Jesus, including James who would later pen scripture.

[@SuperrBoyful]

@@jaihummel5057 You think Jesus had biological brothers? LOL. You have a false Biblical exegesis, friend. Every Christian prior to the Protestant Reformation (including Martin Luther) would laugh at your heretical claims.

[@KristiLEvans1]

Yeah. It’s a lie. He did consummate the marriage AFTER Christ’s birth. She had other children.

[@JK-xn4mj]

The Roman Church would probably need to call upon The Virgins Mary and Joseph 😂

[@KristiLEvans1]

@@jaihummel5057 I actually found a long, tortured post where the guy attacks that verse and twists logic in order to convince people that the plain reading of the verse is stupid. I’ll post of here, if I can find it

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

Noah found favor (grace) in God's eyes. That doesn't say anything about his spiritual condition, that is, he's still a man.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

@christsavesreadromans1096 - The theology that any of us was born without sin denies everything in the bible - from Genesis to Revelation. In other words, you have to assume that what you wrote )above) is true BEFORE you open the bible because the bible NEVER teaches what you just wrote. The whole, "for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God", belies that teaching. I mean, think about it, man. If God could just snap His fingers and remove His judgment on humanity or even one person then why send His Son to take our sins from us? If you know the scriptures then that theology doesn't make sense. That theology BREAKS CANON! Jesus is the Son of God. That means that He's the ONLY exception to the rule. Now, if you want to promote Mary to godhood (which is what Catholicism effectively does) then you could have two exceptions to the rule - Mary and Jesus. But now you're stretching the myth even further - well beyond the breaking point. Because If Mary is a god (which she functionally has to be, if she is without sin) then why send Jesus? Wouldn't her sacrifice be enough? Think about it? You see how this unravels too many threads? This theology undoes the entire bible - from Genesis to Revelation because it undoes the logical reason for Jesus.

[@danielomitted1867]

@christsavesreadromans1096 so when the word is used in Luke 1:28 it means perfectly sinless but not when used in Ephesians 1:6. There is nothing about a "perfect participle" that indicates sinlessness. Quit playing games with the bible.

[@danielomitted1867]

@christsavesreadromans1096 yeah it's called predestination. Same way Jeremiah was chosen as prophet before he was born. Or how the Ephesians were chosen in Christ to be holy and blameless before the world was. When you play games like this with the bible you demonstrate you don't really respect it

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

The doctrine of Original Sin has a lot to do with the significance of the teaching about Mary's sinlessness. They say that Mary was born without Original Sin. My response is, "So was I." It's an invention - like Purgatory or Limbo or a hundred other Catholic fake doctrines (like fake news, only doctrines). When you abandon the scriptures, there is no telling what error you will drift into next. It's a recipe for shipwreck.

[@TheDisciple21]

But rather you commit sin

[@Spartanthermopylae]

We are ALL born with the stain of Original Sin.

[@childoftheonetrueking7761]

You will find the opposite of what the Vatican is and teaches when you look at the First Churches in the Bible. Local churches mentioned in the Bible: Antioch, Pisidia: Acts 13:14; Gal 1:2 Antioch, Syria: Acts 11:26 (Paul's home base) Athens: Acts 17:34 Babylon: 1 Peter 5:13; Acts 2:9 Berea: Acts 17:11 Caesarea: Acts 10:1,48 Cenchrea: Rom 16:1 Colossae: Col 1:2 Corinth: Acts 18:1 Crete: Titus 1:5 Cyrene: Acts 11:20 Damascus: Acts 9:19 Derbe: Acts 14:20; Gal 1:2 Ephesus: Acts 18:19 Hierapolis Col 4:13 Iconium: Acts 14:1; Gal 1:2 Jerusalem: Acts 2:5 Joppa: Acts 9:36, 38 Laodicea: Rev 1:11, Col 4:15 Lydda: Acts 9:32 Lystra: Acts 14:6; Gal 1:2 Pergamum: Rev 1:11 Philadelphia: Rev 1:11 Philippi: Acts 16:12 Puteoli, Italy: Acts 28:13-14 Rome: Rom 1:7 Sardis: Rev 1:11 Sharon: Acts 9:35 Smyrna: Rev 1:11 Tarsus: Acts 9:30 Thessalonica: Acts 17:1 Thyatira: Rev 1:11; Acts 16:14 Troas: Acts 20:6-7 Regions of churches: Region of Phoencia: Acts 11:19 Region of Samaria: Acts 8:14, 25 Churches of Judea: Gal 1:22 Churches of Galatia: Gal 1:2 Churches of Asia: 1 Cor 16:19 Churches of Macedonia: 2 Cor 8:1

[@KristiLEvans1]

There is a teaching that Joseph was “sanctified” before his birth. That is not something that has to be believed, of course. I find it interesting, the increasing crowd around Christ, that had aspects of their sinful humanity stripped. I don’t understand why that is necessary or “fitting”. The amazing miracle is that the God-man took on flesh, such as we have. He was fully human. Something about that really bothered the “fittingness” fathers.

[@KristiLEvans1]

@ranospiteri5776 you didn’t watch the video, I take it? The perfect passive participle issue is directly addressed.

[@KristiLEvans1]

@ranospiteri5776 and no, it means absolutely none of that

[@KristiLEvans1]

@ranospiteri5776 the literal translation is, “Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you.”

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

The doctrine of infallibility is the codification of the opposite of the scriptural warning to be not a respecter of persons. 1 Cor. 4:6 - ... that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, ...

[@brandonr4739]

Saw a meme today that said Mary was “preserved free of stain from original sin” and cited Luke 1:28. So apparently “I am a virgin” = never stained by original sin. Weird.

[@BenRye495]

That was probably pointing to where archangel Gabriel says "hail mary, FULL OF GRACE, the lord is with thee", full of grace in the greek meaning that she was given grace in the past, that is relevant now. So catholics take that to mean she was given the grace of salvation before she was born, therefore making her sinless

[@alfray1072]

Angel Gabriel saluted Mary "Hail full of grace" and told Mary that she has found grace with God even when the Savior was not yet born in the bubble of space and time (earth). Meaning Mary was already saved in advanced by God so that she can bear the Son of God in her womb. This is the Immaculate Conception, but protestants love being heretic they will deny this reality so they can create their own cult and sect and add to the 40K+ protesting denominations, this is the symptom of the heresy of the sola scriptura tradition

[@KristiLEvans1]

@@alfray1072 did you not listen to the contents of the video, citing church fathers and doctors? No. The Immaculate conception is error. Acquinas thought so, seven popes thought so, ant it wasn’t discussed seriously until after the 12th C.

[@KristiLEvans1]

@@alfray1072 Mary died as we all will. Even John says NOTHING about Mary. It would make no sense, whatsoever, for him to not note her ascension, for instance. If she was as highly venerated as you suggest, there would not have been resounding silence about her, following passing mention in the upper room.

[@KristiLEvans1]

@@alfray1072 if she was born without sin, and did not commit personal sin, she wouldn’t rejoice over her savior.

[@denverfletcher9419]

The scriptures tell us that where sin abounds grace abounds much more. So Mary being "full of grace" implies something quite different from sinlessness, does it not?

[@nigelpierre1991]

What do you mean?

[@atyt11]

agreed😂😂😂😂

[@ManlyServant]

acts 6:8,stephen is full of grace too,so what?

[@atyt11]

@@ManlyServant it would seem to infer stephens need for grace was great because his number of sins were great.... Correct @deverfletcher9419 ????

[@KnightFel]

@catholictruth102 The Catholic explanation makes no sense, when you line up all the Marian Dogmas and Doctrines, it's just another Christ. It's ridiculous.

[@guitaoist]

Mary worshipers need only read the bible in order to know its wrong.. Luke 11:27-28: "It came to pass, as Jesus spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, Nay rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it."

[@Amanda-ze2ut]

I just quoted this verse to a catholic person and I said “see? They’re trying to praise/worship Mary and Jesus said no!” And their response was “Jesus didn’t say no, He just means that she’s blessed because she trusted God.” 🤦‍♀️ I quoted soooo many scriptures to them about a variety of things and they couldn’t see any of the contradictions or errors. They kept telling me I was wrong and trying to refute anything I’d say or scriptures I’d quote, but they didn’t/couldn’t quote a single scripture to me lol 🙄

[@Amanda-ze2ut]

Scott Bustamante wow. No she isn’t. What would make you think that???

[@Amanda-ze2ut]

Scott Bustamante you think Mary is God?

[@guitaoist]

@@gustavmahler1466 the disinformation youre spreading and lack of videos smells like troll status.

[@edjo3430]

Amen. Boom

[@MTB4CHRIST]

“But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith.” - Romans 3:21-25

[@Sola_Scriptura_1.618]

As a recovering Roman Catholic who believes in the Sola Scriptura. As the RCC grows they grow apart from the word of God! John 1:1 (LSB): 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

How did you come out of the RCC?

[@albusai]

​@@saintejeannedarc9460by reading scripture Hebrews 10 debunked

[@alexpanagiotis4706]

There is "solange Scripture" tjis is a fairy tale. Are you a muslim?

[@Sola_Scriptura_1.618]

@christsavesreadromans1096 thanks for your message. The concept of “sola scriptura” refers to the doctrine that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice. While Jesus did not use the term “sola scriptura,” He did affirm the authority of the Scriptures in several passages: Matthew 5:17-18: Jesus emphasizes that He came not to abolish the Law or the Prophets but to fulfill them, asserting that not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Matthew 4:4, 7, 10: During His temptation in the wilderness, Jesus responds to Satan by quoting Scripture, saying, “It is written,” demonstrating His submission to God’s Word as the ultimate authority. John 10:35: Jesus states, “Scripture cannot be broken,” affirming the reliability and authority of the Scriptures. These passages show that Jesus held Scripture in high regard and considered it authoritative, which aligns with the principles of “sola scriptura "

[@Sola_Scriptura_1.618]

@christsavesreadromans1096 The concept of “sola scriptura” refers to the doctrine that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice. While Jesus did not use the term “sola scriptura,” He did affirm the authority of the Scriptures in several passages: Matthew 5:17-18: Jesus emphasizes that He came not to abolish the Law or the Prophets but to fulfill them, asserting that not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Matthew 4:4, 7, 10: During His temptation in the wilderness, Jesus responds to Satan by quoting Scripture, saying, “It is written,” demonstrating His submission to God’s Word as the ultimate authority. John 10:35: Jesus states, “Scripture cannot be broken,” affirming the reliability and authority of the Scriptures. These passages show that Jesus held Scripture in high regard and considered it authoritative, which aligns with the principles of “sola scriptura.”

[@jvlp2046]

When it comes to TRANSUBSTANTIATION and MARIAN DOGMAS, I agreed 100% with Pastor James White... However, when it comes to FAITH ALONE, I disagreed 100% with Pastor James White... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen...

[@bumurcus2575]

So your interpretation of the Bible is the one we should consider? How are you different than the church? If Sola Sceiptura is true, they there should not be any pastors, just print the book..we can all read it without help

[@dianehelena]

"St. Bernard...oh my goodness...he's not a dog, by the way." 🙂

[@KristiLEvans1]

That was a funny moment. Lol

[@dailytheology1689]

To be favored does not mean to be sinless.... Rome is evil. Mary needed a Savior just read further...

[@dailytheology1689]

@@missaleromanum5614 As kindly as I can type this: You are blinded by idolatry, Mary does not disperse grace... God's grace is God electing to save people. He does this by giving them faith in the death burial and resurrection of Jesus. Romans 5:1, Ephesians 2:8-9, You are in a false religion . Did Mary need a savior? Of course, I rejoice in my savior! Please believe the gospel and repent of this evil damning system of Rome.

[@alfray1072]

The IMMACULATE CONCEPTION does not deny THE LORD GOD BEING MARY'S SAVIOR, it even highlights it because it is about MARY BEING SAVED IN ADVANCED BY THE LORD GOD SO HE CAN BE CONCEIVED IN HER WOMB IN THE BUBBLE OF SPACE AND TIME (EARTH). THIS IS WHY MARY WAS SALUTED BY ANGEL GABRIEL "HAIL ! FULL OF GRACE" and YOU HAVE FOUND GRACE WITH GOD IN LUKE 1:28-31.

[@KristiLEvans1]

Well, to be fair, they relied upon documents LATER proved to be forgeries or acknowledged as Gnostic fan fiction. It is mostly ignorance that built the foundation of the doctrines

[@alfray1072]

@@KristiLEvans1 The Canon of Scriptures (holy bible) is a declared canon of the Catholic Church in the 4th century!! It is a doctrine declared by the Catholic Church. The holy bible itself is unbiblical!! This is the reason why sola scriptura is a false doctrine and must be condemned. Sacred Tradition, Magisterium and the scriptures is a 3 legged stool of the Catholic Church, not your own personal interpretation i.e. false sola scriptura doctrine

[@barelyprotestant5365]

Eight William Albrechts watched this video.

[@KristiLEvans1]

🤣🤣

[@bairfreedom]

I have thought the same things that James said about Paul at the end of this video. If Paul anathematized the Judiazers for adding 1 work to the Gospel......imagine what he would say to the Roman and Orthodox Churches Who do the OPPOSITE. They Anathematize if you don't believe in ADDITIONS to the gospel. It's what fallen humans do. That is why every religion on this earth does the same thing. They build systems that work to God. But The Christian Works FROM God. He has been saved therefore God has put his Spirit in him and that Spirit gives him a heart of repentance and good works. They also do it out of control and power. That is where alot of there operation came from. Can't do a thing without some sort of church participation. business, birth, burial, etc. ALL under one power for control. It doesn't work so much like that today. The RCC can't just saying something and people blindly believe it anymore. That is why they have lost so much power. Just the Bible being in the hands of lay people cut their membership practically in HALF when that happened. Now we have the internet and everyone can see these things they teach are just HUGE eisegetical stretches of the imagination. They build skyscrapers of theology out of matchsticks of scripture.

[@KristiLEvans1]

The beliefs about Mary actually derive mainly from the Protoevangelium of James. They HAVE to find vestiges of it in Scripture, until and unless they are able to elevate the Gospel of James as a legitimate proof of early traditions about Mary.

[@nasticanasta]

I point out Act 6:8, “And now Stephen who was full of Grace and power…”

[@mikepruett1745]

dead men make up teachings 1 cor 2:14

[@davidbalicki3567]

so do demons

[@penalo77]

Sam Shamoun believes marry was sinless, that man is an undercover catholic.

[@adamsmalelover835]

Did he state why? Using scripture?

[@nicholasdavis2777]

Yah its sad idk how that happenes😅

[@bridgefin]

Luther and Calvin believed and taught that Mary was sinless. Were they undercover Catholics?

[@happygolucky1998]

@@bridgefin Why would Mary need a Saviour if she's Sinless? She clearly states that she needs a Saviour, because shes a sinner. It's not hard to figure out that the Mariology dogmas are false and even probably pagan. In the last days they will not endure sound doctrine. Sinners need a Saviour, all have sinned, and don't throw in that Catholic crap and say, "Does that mean Jesus sinned too." Such nonsense. All the Mariology dogmas are lies. Catholics try to put her at the same level as the Lord Jesus Christ himself. You Catholics constantly say you don't do that with her, but actions speak louder than words.

[@bridgefin]

@@happygolucky1998 You: She clearly states that she needs a Saviour, because shes a sinner. Me: Not only is it not clear but it is a lie. Mary did not say that she needed a savior. Mary did not ssay that she was a sinner. That is YOU adding to Scripture what was never there. Are you aware of the plagues which befall you for adding to Scripture????? Luther and Calvin would have told you that Mary had a savior to prevent her from ever sinning. You: It's not hard to figure out that the Mariology dogmas are false and even probably pagan. Me: I'll bet that you can't even prove them wrong. You: All the Mariology dogmas are lies. Me: Your problem is that Protestantism began embracing those dogmas. If they are lies then so is all of Protestantism. You: Catholics try to put her at the same level as the Lord Jesus Christ himself. Me: Another lie.

[@dailytheology1689]

If you are on this thread as an ecumenical to defend rome please examine your understanding of the gospel. 2 Peter 1.

[@josephmyers9843]

2 Peter 1:20 is actually against private interpretations! THE INTERPRETATION is not a private matter for people to even discuss. It belongs to Catholic Dogma as the final say so.

[@demsyciu]

It's impossible for Joseph to have kids from prior marriage, because THERE WAS ONLY 2 OF THEM when they went to Bethlehem! and also the bible said "her firstborn"; the word "Firstborn" always used to mention the first among many sons, at least two sons.

[@1984SheepDog]

In the tradition that Joseph is a widower, he was an old man at the time of his betrothal to Mary. And no firstborn does not mean that there were other children from Mary. Denying the perpetual virginity of Mary is a novel idea....do you also believe in a pre tribulation rapture?

[@KristiLEvans1]

Seems simple, yes?

[@KristiLEvans1]

@@1984SheepDog “in the tradition”? Yes. Jesus addressed ancient tradition in Mark 7:1-13. Handed down by the fathers, since Moses, but it wasn’t in Torah. Go see what Christ thought about that.

[@1984SheepDog]

@@KristiLEvans1 Christ only rejected traditions that contradicted scripture. Do you think that the perpetual virginity of Mary contradicts scripture?

[@KristiLEvans1]

@@1984SheepDog no, you didn’t read it. He rebuked them for burdening the consciences of men needlessly with human rules, and traditions of men that rob the spirit of God’s Word.

[@John-u8c6g]

So, you’re obviously missing the entire point here. God gave His Church the authority to define doctrine. Your church doesn’t have that. Do you understand?..

[@childoftheonetrueking7761]

Catholics on this thread sound like this: 'all you need is Jesus'... Two seconds later 'well you need Jesus AND the Vatican is needed for salvation And also the Vatican-Papacy-Magisterium has more authority than The Bible'... sure sounds like you are trying to sell Vaticanism instead of simply the Gospel of Christ. Please repent brothers.

[@SuperrBoyful]

You’ve committed a Straw-man fallacy. No Catholic thinks the Vatican is necessary for salvation. No Catholic believes the Vatican has “more authority” than the Bible.. which is an interesting assertion to make, if you actually understood where the Bible came from & what authority gave us the Bible… hint, God didn’t drop the Bible from the sky like you believe.

[@childoftheonetrueking7761]

@@SuperrBoyful here's a hint for you. The Bible pre-dates the vatican. Trust in Christ and the Teachings and Testimonies of the Original Apostles Alone. The New Testament is not to be contradicted by fallible men centuries later.

[@SuperrBoyful]

@@childoftheonetrueking7761 False. Please enlighten me on where you *think* the Bible came from? Did God drop the Bible from the sky? And please don’t assert false historical claims-most Protestants inevitably do so.

[@childoftheonetrueking7761]

@@SuperrBoyful Moses and the Israelites Preserved the Entire Old Testament Long before Rome and even Before Christ's incarnation. The New Testament manuscripts were circulated among the First True Churches as recorded and referenced in the New Testament Letters. Paul even references multiple times that he is writing some of his letters with his own hand, led by the Holy Spirit. Are you suggesting that the 4 Gospels, the Epistles, Revelation etc.. were not widely circulated to their declared intended recipients and all the other churches?? Are you saying that Paul's letter to the church of Galatia that he wrote in 48 A.D. did not make it to the Galations and all the other First Churches until some vatican councils in the 300's A.D???

[@childoftheonetrueking7761]

@@SuperrBoyful Are you claiming that God's Word as Written by the Only True Apostolic Authors John, Paul, Peter, James, Luke, Mark, Matthew was Not officially God's Word until a few hundred years later when some 'popes' later 'approved' those writings??? Every Single Answer you have on this Thread you are demonstrating that you think Rome has authority over the Bible, and I am claiming that The Bible has authority over Rome.

[@ea.charles9176]

And here I thought 'ipsum' was just filler text used by designers and typesetters 😏😏

[@Cahrub]

Eyyy 😉

[@Arabian_Abomination]

I understood this reference as I am a developer 😂

[@caliomaston42418]

I can see Marys faith being counted as sinlessness like Abraham because of her faith but even Abraham had to accept christ. But the perpetual verginity thing.. Umm she had other kids after Jesus

[@For3nity]

How do you know?

[@rickdavis2235]

@@For3nity The Bible says that Jesus had brothers and sisters. It also tells us that regarding Mary, Joseph "knew her not" until after she'd given birth to Jesus. In other words, he didn't have sexual relations with Mary until after Christ was born.

[@For3nity]

@@rickdavis2235 Jesus called his disciples "BROTHERS" (read John 20:17-18). So the brothers were his male disciples and the sisters were his female disciples (the women who were following him). The names of the so called "his brothers" are the names of his cousins and the names of his disciples (Apostles). As for "knew her not", you are not to add to the scriptures. It is just to emphasize that Jesus was not the son of Joseph, or Joseph had nothing to do with the birth of Jesus. It didn't mean to tell you what happen to Mary and Joseph after Jesus was born, because the gospel is to focus on the divine birth of Jesus, not on Mary and Joseph relationship.

[@rickdavis2235]

​ @For3nity Matthew 13:55-56 (ESV) 55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? 56 And are not all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?” Conclusion of Meaning in Context of Mt 13:55-56 That the term ἀδελφός could generally be used of a cousin (or even more distant relative) seems apparent from usages. However, contextually, one could almost not make a more poignant statement of true brotherhood than the text in Matthew 13 (and other texts noting these individuals); only a presupposed bias against such a view would cause one to ignore that evidence. Just wishful thinking and deception on the part of the RCC. Regarding Matthew 1:25, you can’t assume that what was written thousands of years ago would have the same meaning we have today. When we say we knew someone, that means we knew them. In the biblical days, it meant sexual relations. We don’t have to add anything to the Scriptures. You only need to read them and understand them without having the church’s official interpretation forced on the texts. I’ve added “Quotes” for clarification. Genesis 38:26 King James And Judah acknowledged them, and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son. “And he knew her again no more.” Genesis 38:26 NIV (or your favorite non-Catholic translation) Judah recognized them and said, "She is more righteous than I, since I wouldn't give her to my son Shelah. “And he did not sleep with her again.” _________________________________________ Genesis 4:1 King James “And Adam knew Eve his wife”; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. Genesis 4:1 NIV (or your favorite non-Catholic translation) “Adam made love to his wife Eve”, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man." _________________________________________ Matthew 1:25 King James “And knew her not” till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. Matthew 1:25 NIV (or your favorite non-Catholic translation) “But he did not consummate their marriage” until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus. _________________________________________ All three verses are referring to sexual relations. You can believe what you want but you can't change the meaning of scripture. Satan knows he can't change the truth. His only goal is to keep you from it and the Roman Church has been covering up the truth for over 1500 years so they've had a lot of time to perfect the lie.

[@For3nity]

@@rickdavis2235 YOU: Matthew 13:55-56 (ESV) 55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? 56 And are not all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?” James and Joseph are the names of Jesus' cousins. Their mother is the other Mary, the sister of Jesus' mother. James, Simon and Judas are also the names of the Apostles. As for his sisters, the Bible says many women were following him...and they were misidentified as Jesus' sisters. The Jews in Mat 13:55-56 didn't know Jesus quite well that's why they started with "IS NOT"...and they didn't even know Jesus' name. You may read also the genealogy of Jesus in the Bible. There were no mention of other children of Mary. When Jesus was dying on the cross, he gave his mother to St. John because he has no brothers and sister.

[@juancontreras9745]

29:53 it’s also crazy to see that in the Quran 39:1-3 which says: (39:1) The revelation of this Book is from Allah, the Most Mighty, the Most Wise.1 (39:2) (O Prophet), it is We Who have revealed this Book to you with Truth.2 So serve only Allah, consecrating your devotion to Him.3 (39:3) Lo, religion is exclusively devoted to Allah.4 Your religion is entirely consecrated to Him. As for those who have taken others than Allah for their guardians, (they say): “We worship them only that they may bring us nearer to Allah.”5 Allah will judge between them concerning what they differ about.6 Verily Allah does not guide anyone who is given to sheer lying, is an utter unbeliever. This verse is towards pagans who we’re praying and worshiping stones and idols It’s crazy to me because the catholic sounds exactly like this “we pray to the saints because they’re closer to God” which to me sounds like Catholics took the practice from pagans. I am not supporting Islam but just showing that prayers to saints has pagan roots. Glory be to Jesus Christ our lord and savior forever and ever🙏🏽🛐

[@KristiLEvans1]

Yes. They have many of the same early Gnostic source books. The Quran also makes a big deal about Mary.

[@bwgrindle]

I would love to get a copy of the power point from this somehow.

[@Spartanthermopylae]

The Immaculate Conception dogma only came into being in 1854.

[@John-u8c6g]

And?…

[@Spartanthermopylae]

@@John-u8c6g "And"...it didn't originate from Scripture, but from the false teachings of the Catholic church many hundreds of years later.

[@Spartanthermopylae]

@@John-u8c6g "And" it only came hundreds of years later from the false teachings of the Catholic church.

[@johnsteila411]

@@SpartanthermopylaeIt actually came about 1,700 years later. The point is that the dogma was defined by The Church that was founded by Christ. The Bible says that divorce is not allowed, do you get the point?

[@Spartanthermopylae]

@@johnsteila411 "the dogma was defined by The Church that was founded by Christ." Which verses support your position? It has nothing to do with divorce. " It actually came about 1,700 years later. " 1,700 years after 1854???

[@JohnDawson]

"...when by the condition of birth, there is one cause of perishing for all. And so among the sons of men, the Lord Jesus alone was born innocent, since he alone was conceived without the conceived without the pollution of carnal concupiscence."- Leo the Great, Fifth sermon on the Nativity (Sermon 25), Chapter 5 "And in the first place it is foolish blasphemy to say that man is without sin; which can by no means be, except the one Mediator between God and man, the Man Christ Jesus, Who was conceived and born without sin."- John IV, Bishop of Rome, Epistola I "Eve was produced without sin, but she brought forth in sin; Mary was produced in sin, but she brought forth without sin." - Innocent III, Sermon on the Assumption (or, Second Discourse on the Assumption), Sermon 2 (Serrao. II. Defesto Assum Marirc. Colon., 1552) "She (the Virgin) passed, first, from a state of original sin, second, from a state of childhood to maternal honor, third, from misery to glory." - John XXII, Sermon 1 on the Assumption "It belongs alone to the immaculate Lamb to have no sin at all." - Gelasius I

[@josephmyers9843]

Thankfully, the Pope's are not always speaking EX CATHEDRA!

[@PaxMundi118]

These are interesting citations, John. Can you please explain with what level of magisterial authority they were taught? St. Peter, the first Pope, said and did a few things which we would both agree are not part of the Apostolic deposit of faith, nor are they binding to believers -- similar to what's contained in the quotations.

[@PaxMundi118]

Also, as far I can tell, the immaculate conception is de fide, but the "perpetual sinlessness" of Jesus's mother is not.

[@PaxMundi118]

One last question that's speculative: what sins do you think Mary may have committed while pregnant with the Eternal Word of God. Do you accept that she may have raped or murdered while carrying the Christ Child in her womb? Or does your position necessarily exclude this -- and why?

[@alfray1072]

@@PaxMundi118 The Immaculate Conception is about Mary being saved in advanced by God so she can bear the Son of God. The Holy Spirit cannot conceive the Son of God in a sinner's womb and Mary cannot commit personal sin because an enmity was given between Mary (woman) and the serpent (devil). No error or sin can can enter Mary, the Ark of the New Testament because she raise The Son of God in her house with Joseph.

[@bisdakpinoy3428]

ROMANS 5:8 But God proves His love for us in this: While we were still sinners, *Christ* *died* *for* *us* . While we(this includes Mary) were still sinners, CHRIST DIED FOR US

[@dustinnyblom7835]

Which is why the Roman Catholic Church wants her as co redeemer, because didn’t need his death

[@alfray1072]

@@dustinnyblom7835 Co redeemer just means "with the Redeemer Christ", that does not take the Sacrifice of Jesus away from it. Mary as the Mother of the Lord' God plays a role in human salvation, just like the apostles, the martys and saints

[@alfray1072]

If Mary had a stain of sin, then Jesus is also a sinner. The Holy Spirit cannot conceive the Spotless Lamb Jesus in a sinner's womb

[@dustinnyblom7835]

@@alfray1072 that is rediculous

[@alfray1072]

@@dustinnyblom7835 So Angel Gabriel is ridiculous? lol this is why I cannot be a protestant heretic

[@Verge63]

Luther and Calvin believed Mary was sinless and perpetual virgin.

[@andreavalos5863]

Are you saying that it’s true just because these two fallible men thought so? According to the infallible Word of God, Mary wasn’t sinless. Mary needed salvation the same as us. R.C. Sproul believes in infant baptism, that doesn’t make it true. These three men I mentioned are all imperfect. Don’t make the mistake of making their theology more “infallible” than the Word of God itself.

[@John-u8c6g]

@@andreavalos5863Luther is the “Father of The Reformation”. Are you saying that you disagree with him?..

[@andreavalos5863]

@@John-u8c6gI have no knowledge of Luther believing that Mary was sinless; not to mention, since Luther was “father of the reformation” he stood against catholic beliefs, and stood against heretical beliefs such as Mary was sinless. There is only one person who is sinless, and that is the Son of God. Why is Jesus sinless? Because He was born through the Holy Spirit, untainted by the sinful line of man, extending from Adam. Mary is a sinful human being, having inherited her sin. She bore Jesus as a virgin to fulfill prophesy. It wasn’t about her, it was about Jesus. That’s why Mary called Jesus “God my Savior”. Savior from what? From her sin.

[@Rome33AD]

At 24:24 you recognize a statement from Ott, can you please tell us when the Church has ever stated otherwise?

[@ym_cod1882]

Holdup! we got Rome in the building

[@SuperrBoyful]

yosef mulat He follows the teaching of Jesus & the doctrine of the Early Church Fathers, You follow Martin Luther & his false man-made doctrine.

[@ym_cod1882]

Aren’t the early church fathers ‘’Man”? Just saying .....

[@KristiLEvans1]

@@ym_cod1882 yeah, but those are different men. 😉

[@jaybig360]

I speak Greek sir the translation literally says she is grace

[@danielomitted1867]

So does James, in fact he has taught Koine Greek.

[@ym_cod1882]

@@danielomitted1867 full of grace or graced explain more?

[@rickdavis2235]

The original Greek ( χαριτόω ) says she is "...favored with grace". The Latin Vulgate, a corrupted Roman version of the Bible said she was full of grace. That's why the church burned bibles along with those who denied the Catholic Church. They didn't want them having the truth. The Latin Vulgate also changed the meaning of Genesis 3:15 to show Mary in the Old Testament as the "second Eve."

[@jaybig360]

@@rickdavis2235 what do you know about the original Greek? You guys adopted the new version Jewish version of the Old Testament. Till this day we use the Septuagint Old Testament the one Jesus quoted from. You guy have no business talking about the old or bee testament since your “churchs” were no where to be found during the time. How arrogant one must be to a come along 1600 years later after Christianity has been establish to give your interpretation of anything.

[@rickdavis2235]

@@jaybig360 Did the catholic church tell you that? I'm afraid they have a history of lying so I'm going to need for you to show me where it is in the bible where Jesus or the apostles state that they are quoting/reading from the septuagint. Why is the septuagint so important to you? Because of the apocryphal books that were added when they were never in the canon of scripture? I'll bet you also believe that the catholic church gave us the bible, even though Christianity was illegal in Rome until about 300 AD. How arrogant one must be to think his church gave the world the bible when Christians were being tortured and murdered by the catholic church while they were giving us the bible. Are you afraid of the truth? If not, watch this documentary that's free on Amazon and probably here on KZbin as well. It's the real history of the Roman Empire as well as the church in Rome. "Tares Among the Wheat"

[@Rome33AD]

Mr White at 16:46 , you are intentionally deceiving your audience because you of all people know the criteria for infallibility. You should have explained the criteria wether you agree with it or not, because that is the official teaching of the Church. Your integrity comes into question when you make statements like that because not everyone knows the the official position.

[@angru_arches]

This was the chance to clarify...but instead of that chose to question his integrity... Are laity not allowed to clarify themselves? James White is fallible...

[@WasLostButNowAmFound]

The quadnity. 🤦‍♂️

[@Nolongeraslave]

What is the quadnity?

[@leeenk6932]

@@Nolongeraslave instead of trinity of 3 persons in one God, 4 persons in one God, hence quadnity

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

@@leeenk6932 Not even muslims say that about the Catholic Church

[@josephmyers9843]

She's not God, but the Mother of God!

[@atyt11]

Mary would be sickened to see anyone but her Lord being worshipped. Christ alone. Creator of all, redeamer, sustainer. Praise, worship and adoration to him only. Not even .00000000000000001% to mary or its idol worship.

[@JeansiByxan]

This was a good presentation, but half the time I don't know who you're quoting. Please use quotation marks and attribution.

[@KristiLEvans1]

Take notes. He says who the quotes are from

[@JeansiByxan]

@@KristiLEvans1 Yeah, like ten minutes before the actual quote.

[@KristiLEvans1]

@@JeansiByxan yes, it’s a ton of data in a short time. Take notes. They help me.

[@josephmyers9843]

You are using Scripture Alone and yet Sacred Scripture testifies to the unwritten traditions! You, James White simply do not agree with Catholic Dogma and privitize everything with Greek. Catholic Dogma will shine through every time you try to tear it down. You do not have a Catholic Christ, but possess another Christ because you deny who the Mother of God truly is!

[@josephmyers9843]

@M J Co-redemptrix is a heresy. One Redeemer!

[@josephmyers9843]

@M J Have you read from Denzinger?

[@SuperrBoyful]

M J Jesus wanted only one, singular, unified body through His Church and has made it very clear through the writings of His Apostles and The Early Church Fathers Colossians 1:24 “Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I complete what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church.” Romans 2:4-5 “For as in *one* body we have many members, and all the members do not have the same function, so we, though many, are *one* body in Christ, and individually members one of another.” Every single protestant church is a heresy. They don’t follow the original teachings of the apostles nor the Early Church Fathers. To elaborate, every Christian sect other than Eastern Orthodoxy or Roman Catholicism is considered heretic because they are composed of false doctrines contrary to the original Christian doctrine, found in the writings of the Early Church Fathers. Every Church Father wrote upon the Catholic doctrine. They believed in the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, salvation belonging to all not the “elect” , baptismal renewal, the priesthood, and so forth. Read the writings of St. Ignatius (108-140 AD) who wrote countless times upon the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. Ignatius writes: “Those who hold heretical opinions about the grace of Jesus Christ … refuse to acknowledge that the Eucharist is the flesh of our savior Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins and which the Father by his goodness raised up” (Smyrnaeans 6.2). In one passage, Ignatius simply identifies our faithfulness with “the flesh of the Lord” and our love with “the blood of Jesus Christ” (Trallians 8.1). The Eucharist enables us to love God and one another with Christ’s own fidelity and charity, which is the very content of salvation (Ephesians 14.1) Continue to blindly follow Martin Luther and his 47,000 sects that each contradict each other. I’ll entrust my faith to Jesus Christ, the apostles, and the Early Church Fathers.

[@Juan-xd8lh]

Why are you so blind dude? Tell me from the Old Testament where holy Mary is prophesied. All I see in the Old Testament is man is evil, God will kill who so ever has sinned against him. There will be a Savior who will die for His people (the perfect sacrifice for atonement of sins). I can point you to all of these things in the Old Testament, what you got?

[@SuperrBoyful]

One C Genesis 3:15 is one of the most famous passages in Scripture, since it offers the first, veiled prophecy of the coming of the Messiah. But confusion results from differing translations of the passage. In most editions of the Douay-Rheims Bible-the Catholic counterpart to the King James Version-Genesis 3:15 says, “I will put enmities between thee [the serpent] and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.” In the New American Bible, and all other modern Bibles, it says, “I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will strike at your head, while you strike at his heel.” The difference turns on who will crush the serpent’s head and whom the serpent tries to strike. The Douay-Rheims uses feminine pronouns-”she” and “her”-implying that the woman is the person being described. Modern translations use masculine pronouns-”he” and “his”-implying that the seed of the woman is the serpent-crusher. This disparity results from a manuscript difference. Modern translations follow what the original Hebrew of the passage says. The Douay-Rheims follows a textual variant found in many early Fathers and some editions of the Vulgate, though not the original. Jerome followed the Hebrew of this text in his edition of the Vulgate. The variant probably originated as a copyist’s error, when a scribe failed to note that the subject of the verse had shifted from the woman to the seed of the woman. Today, people notice this variant because the expression found in the Douay-Rheims has been the basis of popular Catholic art showing a serene Mary standing over a crushed serpent. Her representation as Our Lady of Grace usually depicts her in this way. Christians have recognized since the first century that the woman and her seed of Genesis 3:15 do not simply stand for Eve and one of her righteous sons, such as Abel or Seth. They prophetically foreshadow Mary and Jesus. The first half of the verse (speaking of the enmity between the serpent and the woman) has been applied to Mary, and so the second half (speaking of the crushed head and heel striking) also has been applied to Mary. Though the variant that uses “she” and “her” probably came from a copyist’s error, the idea it expresses is true. There is a sense in which Mary crushed the serpent’s head and in which she was struck at by the serpent. She didn’t do these things directly, but indirectly, through her Son. It was Jesus who directly crushed the serpent’s head from the cross and Jesus whom the serpent directly struck on the cross. Yet Mary cooperated in these events. She, not anyone else, was the person who agreed to become the human channel through which Christ would enter the world in order to crush the serpent’s head (Luke 1:38). She herself was wounded when the serpent struck Jesus. Simeon had prophesied to her that “a sword will pierce through your own soul also,” a prophecy fulfilled when Mary saw her Son hanging from the cross (John 19:25-27). Thus Jesus directly crushed the serpent and was directly struck by the serpent, while Mary indirectly crushed it and was indirectly struck by it, due to her cooperation in becoming the mother of Christ.

[@thomihs]

Here’s my point of view .. there are saved Catholics .. but Catholicism as a whole is slightly off to the point where it does have a lot of its followers looking to angels and other things over Jesus himself , which of course is wrong. So Catholicism as a whole.. slightly misleading but still circulating around the key 🔑 which is Following Jesus and believing in the Holy Spirit . So it’s not really a 100% no or yes when it comes to the question “is Catholicism wrong?” But I will say.. u can say the same thing about non denominational Christianity.. there are “Christians” who don’t act like Christians and don’t have a relationship with God.. Just like how there are Catholics who focus more on Mary, angels, etc. more than Christ himself (but if ur smart at all.. and ur Catholic .. and truly believe in Christ and read your Bible whilst praying .. you should know not to look to anyone or thing over Christ 😂) but sadly there are a lot of ppl who aren’t that aware which sucks... point is.. if a Catholic has a relationship with Christ and they repent daily and don’t really put most of their focus on the whole asking Mary to pray with them thing and asking Michael to fight for them etc... then what makes them not saved ? Nothing... thus.. there are saved Catholics .. but there are a lot who are deceived and have no relationship with Christ.. think about it.. God isn’t gonna send a Catholic to hell for asking Mary to pray WITH them .. to the Father.. in Jesus name.. once in a while 😂 if they’re wrong and Mary can’t hear prayers as well and pray with them then who cares .. that’s like nothing when you think about it 😂 Gods like agh.. why do they think she can hear them 😂😂but na if they’re doing their rosary all the time and never focusing on God himself.. then ya it’s different. If you agree , awesome! I feel strongly about this. If you disagree no worries, healthy responses are welcome 👊🏼😁.. remember .. salvation comes by accepting Christ into your heart, repenting daily while not willfully sinning, and following him .. so if a Catholic does that.. they are saved .. if they focus on other things more than him.. they aren’t saved to begin with

[@dailytheology1689]

Catholocism is not slightly off, it is a demonic religion. They deny the imputation of Christ's righteousness by faith. Not a Christian church.

[@thomihs]

Daily Theology may God have mercy on those like you who judge an entire group of Catholics and their relationship with God . They believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus.. they believe in faith alone as salvation , they dont worship false Gods you fool, they ask Mary to intercede with them as it states she does in the Bible, you need to stop watching street preachers and religious spirit filled Christians in front of a camera .. you literally are religious ... calling out other religious forms of following Christ hahaha , learn how to listen to the Holy Spirit because at this point, you just feed yourself with KZbin videos

[@dailytheology1689]

@@thomihs I am street preacher haha that is funny. I don't know you but God's love can save even the worst of us. The road that leads to life is narrow and affiliation with a religious group that perverts correct doctrine is not loving or Christian. Sola Gratia, Sola Scriptura.

[@thomihs]

Daily Theology brother, the path is narrow.. not narrow in the sense that you view it tho.. I’d hate to be judged for unknowingly judging others constantly.. Jesus literally rebuked religious spirit. Just love him and love others, he does the rest accordingly . I ain’t gonna ever tell you how to go about spreading the word but here’s what I will say... I would NEVER evangelize like how you guys do . I’d rather focus on gathering MANY, rather than pushing away MANY

[@dailytheology1689]

“It was necessary that the word of God be spoken first to you. Since you thrust it aside and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles - same game different century. Same enemy the father of lies. You judge the gospel of grace and the word of God to be insufficient. Repent or perish, purgatory does not exist and Rome is not Christian.

[@josephmyers9843]

Whosoever wishes to be saved needs above all to hold the Catholic Faith. Unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate he will without a doubt perish in eternity.

[@josephmyers9843]

The Dogmatic Quicumque

[@josephmyers9843]

@M J John 3:19. ... For their works were evil.

[@josephmyers9843]

@M J Protestants have a works grace gospel. They just nitpick at which works, like faith, which is a work!

[@josephmyers9843]

God's Word is more than the "BIBLE".

[@josephmyers9843]

@M J Amen to all the verses, but "Wherefore also we pray always for you; that our God would make you worthy of his vocation, and fulfill all the good pleasure of his goodness and the work of faith in power;" Faith is work. The work of faith in power! Catholics believe it is the first work. The beginning of salvation.

[@johnraymond-pz9bo]

To Craig ime, I can't find my post that you responded to. Sorry. This happens when number of replies gets large. I'd sure like to answer

[@PaxMundi118]

If something that is not in the Bible is neutral or dangerous, then is confessing our sins directly to Jesus (which is not explicit in Scripture) neutral or dangerous?

[@PaxMundi118]

Obviously, confessing our sins directly to Jesus is neither neutral nor dangerous.

[@PaxMundi118]

Therefore there are many things that are not explicit in Scripture which are not neutral or dangerous but rather are good and even necessary to believe.

[@PaxMundi118]

The Marian dogmas are implicit in Scripture and are good to believe, because they are true and point to the truth of Jesus, to whom we should confess our sins.

[@davidhall2197]

You're kidding, right? Can you say "Book of Hebrews" boys and girls?

[@PaxMundi118]

@@davidhall2197 Are there explicit instructions to confess one's sins to Jesus in Hebrews? If so, I will concede the point, adult human being.

[@leesimmons12]

At 13:02, “ipsum” is said to be the masculine form of ipsa. This is not correct. Ipsum can be masculine but only in the accusative. The neo-Vulgata says “ipsum conteret caput tuum.” Given caput tuum is clearly accusative, ipsum must therefore be singular nominative (given conteret) and so be neuter, not masculine

[@LeoRegum]

This is to agree with the neuter word "seed", correct? In the Hebrew it is clearly masculine, so the limitation of Latin grammar is not overly relevant.

[@leesimmons12]

@@LeoRegum Hello James. I think it is absolutely relevant as Mr. White enters into technical discussion about the Latin mistranslation of the Hebrew and the motives behind that mistranslation (in the older Clementine Vulgate) and how this mistranslation was later understood by the Pope exercising papal infallibility. Mr. White makes a mistake about the case used in the neo-Vulgate - I'm not questioning his overall assessment though which I completely agree with.

[@josephmyers9843]

Outside the Catholic Church or Professing the True Catholic Faith there is absolutely no salvation nor remission of sin.

[@leesimmons12]

@@josephmyers9843 Not according to your own infallible Ecumenical Council. See Lumen Gentium.

[@dustinnyblom7835]

@@josephmyers9843 repent and believe

[@childoftheonetrueking7761]

John 20:11-12 Now Mary [Magdalene] stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept, she bent over to look into the tomb and saw *two angels in white, seated where Jesus’ body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot.* Exodus 25:20, 22 The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, *their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be...* There I will meet with you; and from above *the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are upon the ark of the testimony* , I will speak to you about all that I will give you in commandment for the sons of Israel. *PLEASE TELL ME YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SAY THAT MARY IS THE MERCY SEAT ALSO??? Please don't take anything away from Jesus that belongs to HIM ALONE*

[@alfray1072]

Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant, the woman of revelation, the NT Gebirah/Queen mother and the Daughter of Zion that is why we pray for her protection and intercession. That is why she is the Seat of Mercy.

[@KristiLEvans1]

@@alfray1072 that’s a uniquely Roman Catholic belief set.

[@alfray1072]

@@KristiLEvans1 Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant because she carried the Lord Jesus - Bread of heaven/Manna; High Priest/Aaron's Staff; Living Word/Stone Tablets in the New Testament

[@KristiLEvans1]

@@alfray1072 that’s your theology read into the text. It’s a sectarian belief, not a Biblical teaching.

[@KristiLEvans1]

@@alfray1072 the presence of YHWH wasn’t *inside* the Ark, but above it. Reread the OT.

[@childoftheonetrueking7761]

*St Irenaeus, Augustine, and so on, were centuries later than John, Paul, Peter, James, Mark, Matthew, and Luke. The New Testament Clarity from the ORIGINAL FIRST TRUE APOSTLES and CHURCH FATHERS cannot be refuted by so called church "father's" that came much later and had no miracles, no authority, and contradicted the teachings of the ones who were connected directly to Jesus Himself.*

[@SuperrBoyful]

You’re completely oblivious to Apostolic succession in the Bible-which means the Apostles handed on their ministerial authority ((that was given to them by Jesus) See John 20:22) to other men. (See Acts 6:6) Your Calvinist heresy is void of proper exegesis & Church history.

[@childoftheonetrueking7761]

@@SuperrBoyful Even IF your 'lineage' was valid... And even IF there were still offices of Christian Apostles today, The Word of God does not teach that they would have Equal or greater authority than the Original Apostles. So if I simply go straight to the Original Apostles documented teachings and testimonies I am going to the Most Valid and Most Authoritative True Source.

[@SuperrBoyful]

@@childoftheonetrueking7761 Well, you would completely dismiss the reality that the Church from the first century STILL exists today. For what? To defend John Calvin & Martin Luther’s dogmatic heresy?

[@SuperrBoyful]

@@childoftheonetrueking7761 The Apostles passed on their teachings & authority to other men by the “laying on of hands” or Apostolic Succession. Only those who were laid hands on by the Apostles had authority to teach & preach. Again, this chronological lineage of men is only found in the Catholic Church. Their Apostolic authority is only present in that Church.

[@childoftheonetrueking7761]

@@SuperrBoyful no its because most of the history of Rome is questionable and filled with evil behaviors of popes and added false doctrines centuries later. And since all I need is Jesus and His Gospel and His Holy Spirit for Salvation. Then I will gladly just stick to the Original Source Material of The Word of God, The Old Testament and New Testament and Christ and His First Apostles Direct Teachings and Testimonies and let you catholics deal with the ugliness and inconsistencies of whatever strange form of 'christianity' that has been sold in Rome for the last 2 thousand years... creepy statues, cathedrals funded through Indulgences, prayers to the dead, fancy robe wearing 'supreme apostles', a golden city, a golden throne, a papal palace, etc....

[@joepug11]

James tickling ear's when are live depends on it ,isn't the way to go,speak plainly,God bless sir

[@childoftheonetrueking7761]

Jesus and His Holy Spirit are what is needed for Salvation. Simply read The Word of God [The Bible] as a little child would, and seek Christ's face and He will save, transform, and indwell you forever. No Cathedrals, no popes, no statues, no indulgences, no vatican needed, nor are they mentioned nor taught in the New Testament. Please understand the New Testament is the Teachings and Testimonies of Christ and the First Original True Apostles [John, Paul, James, Peter, Mark, Luke, and Matthew] and also the testimonies of the First churches [Acts, the Epistles & Revelation].

[@auadisian]

لا إله إلا الله! الآب والابن والروح القدس - الإله الواحد المبارك إلى الأبد!

[@courag1]

Whoever wants to add onto the Word of God, does not understand the power of God and that God can walk anytime and has upon the Earth in many occasions as in the Angel of the Lord, He was not polluted. Neither was Jesus polluted by being born as a baby or to be around sinful people because God is the most powerful being in the universe. This was God’s plan from the beginning as Jesus was the Lamb which was slain from the foundations of the world. The Hebrew letters for YHWH (Yahweh) are the symbols which mean “behold the hand, behold the nail”. God’s plan was to send Jesus from the foundation of the world. God is not polluted by our sins, as Jesus could touch lepers and not be made “unclean”and raise the dead, sometimes He touched the dead. And He was not made in the least part unclean. He spent 3 years in daily contact with his disciples and was not polluted by their sin either. Nor with being raised in a family with brothers and sisters and we all know that children can be very mischievous and even do things on purpose to hurt one another. But Jesus was not polluted by them either. Nor my His earthly mother and father and their many relatives. The fact is that our conception of what God can do is small. I’ve spent several years to study the mechanisms of the flood and the rapid fossilization, the movement of the continents. God is VERY GREAT! I’ve studied the Shroud of Turin, God is indeed VERY GREAT!!! The Bible is about God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. And there are many wonderful names we use for God: Lord, Savior, Redeemer and the list goes on and on. You could spend endless hours looking up all these references. What about looking up the name “Mary”? Appears about 24 times but Mary was a common name, not all of the list in the Strong’s Concordance or BibleHub or BibleGateway are Mary the mother of Jesus. Take out the extra Marys and you have 20 or fewer. You want to tell me that the 1,000s of references to God and all He has done is negated by 20 references to Jesus’ mother? She was a wonderful person but is she that important to our salvation except that she said agreed to let herself become pregnant. This does not make her the “Mediatrix of All Graces”. And as I’ve explained, neither did she need to be perfect for God to work out His plan. God did it all on His own, and no that we cooperate with Him is good, but it is not essential for Him to bring about the world to come either. Yet, somehow they want to make Mary “the co-Mediatrix of All Graces”. The Bible does not teach this. It teaches that Jesus was and is God, that the worlds were created by Him and that He came and was our savior. He died the death on a cross and He rose to prove our justification. The Gospel is beautiful. God has all the power to save, it is His vast love for us we have trouble understanding. Jesus could have been carried full term in the womb or a woman and not be in the least bit polluted by her bodily functions, by being inside Mary. He made the world, He is MIGHTY GOD. We have a MIGHTY and a WONDERFUL Savior! I for one, do not want to stand before Him and tell Him, I had trouble believing and needed umpteen crutches so I didn’t have any time to spend praying to Him! Prayer is a form of worship, God tells us that we are to have NO OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM!!!! Only God is omniscient and omnipresent. The angels are not, nor are dead saints nor is Jesus’ earthy mother. We are not to worship the creature instead of the CREATOR! I don’t care if others do not see this. Even Catholic priests leave their priesthood because they read the Bible and believed it and could no longer go along with all this. The church father Victorinus, wrote like he was Martin Luther over 1,000 years before Luther. Was it possible to know the truth? Yes! Mario Victorinus was Sola Fide long before the Reformers rediscovered it. Let’s face it, from the time we were children, there has always been those wanting to pull the wool over our eyes. Brainwashing we think is what happens in other countries. No, it happens here too. Other people may not want us to think, but God does. I don’t know about you, but thinking I find very interesting. We do not have a boring God! When you pray if you do not have enough faith to believe, God will supply the extra. Just ask Him.

[@Bill-px1ni]

Pray the rosary

[@Wgaither1]

Nope

[@samuelrosenbalm]

If I were to ask who it was that was miraculously conceived, lived a sinless life, was raised from the dead, taken up in glory, can be entrusted with our very soul, makes intercession for us, and into whose hands we can place the hope of our eternal salvation, one would naturally assume I was referring to Jesus. But Catholics actually affirm this about Mary. I would literally be burned alive before I would ever accept such a vile, corrupt, satanic doctrine such as that. I spit upon it.

[@sandydepiedras6372]

.... even there are few text to Mary in the bible yet it is true .... there is a chapter of Mary in the quran yet false.... ...... whose teaching will you believe from the one true church with an authority from Christ? or to the one who is not authorization by Christ?

[@childoftheonetrueking7761]

The Physical Body of Jesus is the New Ark of the Covenant. NOT Mary's womb and NOT Mary herself. *John 20:12* . The Ark was the most significant object in Old Covenant worship. It was a box-overlaid with gold-in the Most Holy place. “A golden urn holding the manna, Aaron’s staff that budded, and the tablets of the covenant” were placed within the Ark. The mercy seat covered the box. Two cherubim, facing one another, overshadowed the mercy seat. When God came down, His glory rested above the mercy seat-between the cherubim. What did this elaborate picture portray? *The Ark was a picture of the Person and saving work of Christ.* The manna in the golden bowl represented the life-sustaining food that God gives His people in Christ. When Israel was in the wilderness, the Lord sustained them with this mysterious bread. Not knowing what it was they called it “Manna” (lit. ‘What is it?’). When Jesus fed the five thousand He said, “Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven.…the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world” (*John 6:33*). The flesh and blood of Christ is life-sustaining food for the believer. The significance of Aaron’s rod is found in Numbers 16-17. Certain jealous men had called Aaron’s Priesthood into question. God commanded that the rebels take their rods and lay them out next to Aaron’s. The Lord made the rod of the man He had chosen to bud. Jesus is the great High Priest, chosen by His Father from all eternity. The rod was placed in the ark to show that Christ was the LORD’s chosen and anointed Priest (Isaiah 42:1; Heb. 5:4). The Ten Commandments were also placed in the ark. This showed that the moral Law of God would forever stand before the presence of God. It also represented that the Law would be kept in Christ. *He would fully obey all the commands of God for His people*. Jesus said I have come to fulfill the Law. The mercy seat was set on top of the Ark. When the Priest went into the Holy of Holies, he sprinkled the blood of the sacrifice on the mercy seat. This represented the atoning blood of Jesus. Israel’s sin formed a barrier between God and them. Our sins have also separated us from God. God must look at man through the lens of the law on account of His holiness. How can unrighteous man stand before the presence of the righteous God? The dilemma is resolved through the blood of Jesus. Just as the blood on the mercy seat, the blood of Christ stands between the Law of God and the Presence of God. When the Lord saw the blood His wrath was satisfied. Through the blood of Jesus the transgressions of God’s people have been forgiven. Now, the Lord sees believers-not through the lens of the law, but through the lens of the Gospel. The symbolism of the Ark reached its grand climax on the Day of Atonement. When the blood of the sacrifice was sprinkled on the mercy seat the glory of God appeared. This was a picture of the heavenly glory of God, There angels stand before His throne and praise Him day and night. It was also a picture of the restored presence of God through the resurrection of Christ. When Mary Magdalene came to the tomb seeking the body of Jesus, she found two angels-one at the head, and the other at the feet-where the body of Jesus had been. The presence of God has been restored to the believer in the resurrection of Christ. The things of redemption are the “things which angels long to look into.”

[@anonymousmouse505]

Im learning so much

[@childoftheonetrueking7761]

References to so called 'church fathers' that came centuries after the First Original True Apostles, and using them to justify your need to make an Idol of Mary is not a good argument. Cyril and Augustine don't have any authority over The Word of God. Only the Words of The Bible have a direct connection to Christ. Imagine thinking you can teach against The Bible and then claim that its ok because you have authority higher than The Bible. Very deceitful.

[@alfray1072]

The only idolatry is your prosperity gospel, televangelism, rock and roll gospel worship, snake preaching, christian zi0nism and naming your defacto bible cover from a degenerate criminal named "king james" now "queen james ghay bible".

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

Isis, in addition to being called "the queen of heaven" was also called "the mother of god" because she birthed a god - Horas (Tammuz). They found prayers to the Mother of God in Egypt from the second century A.D. and Catholics are now saying, "See, Christians were praying to Mary from very early on." They found a prayer to a strange goddess and then hijacked them to support their corrupt theology.

[@bairfreedom]

Yes!! Pagan mother son worship was a thing!!

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

@@bairfreedom - The Roman religion, from its inception, has been appropriating religious myths from every culture of the world. It's called cultural colonization.

[@childoftheonetrueking7761]

John, Paul, Peter, James, Mark, Luke, Matthew All setup churches and The Bible shows all of those Original First True Apostles and those Original First True Churches Looked Nothing like the vatican's version of what a church is. [a church is not a building nor organization but a church is a Fellowship of Holy Spirit filled born again saved believers and followers of Jesus living in community with one another]. *Please read the New Testament* Nothing else is a more authoritative accurate source. Forget popes and councils and augustine and even luther and calvin. Just Simply Go all the way back to the Authors and Participants in the FIRST ORIGINAL CLOSEST to CHRIST CHURCHES which are in the New Testament.

[@demsyciu]

"Among women.. " That's true if we relate it what Jesus said "my mother are they who do the will of His father," which we know is to believing in His son, Jesus, as the only saviour of the world! And if the Christian women can be His mother, that make Mary not above the women, but among the women.. So there's no exaltation of Mary above other believers.. She just fellow believers same like others.. just like apostle Paul said, some are used for some reason/mean, and some for other reason, but all are brethren and sisters, binded into one body which is Christ. No one is bigger and more important than others. Matthew 12:49-50 (KJV) "And he STRETCHED FORTH HIS HAND TOWARD HIS DISCIPLES, AND SAID, BEHOLD MY MOTHER and my brethren! FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL DO the will of my Father which is in heaven, THE SAME IS MY BROTHER, AND SISTER, AND MOTHER." "For whoever shall do", and we know a lot of women who has done the will of God in just Paul's letters.. So that's confirm that those women of faith also Jesus's mothers and sisters.. So it's not Mary above the others but aming the others.

[@childoftheonetrueking7761]

*You are illustrating Perfectly, Yet Again how Rome Takes Glory and Honor away from Christ and gives it to Mary. Jesus is the Ark of the Covenant and you are declaring over and over that Mary is. Don't you see you have just done on this thread exactly what protestants accuse catholics of doing? How dare you attribute the things of Jesus to Mary instead. Please Repent.*

[@KristiLEvans1]

Who said that Mary is the Ark?

[@childoftheonetrueking7761]

@@KristiLEvans1 the vatican/magisterium and the Roman catholic false religion.

[@mimm091285]

I think the catholic understanding of Mary makes more sense. For example, there were two people in the garden, Adan and Eve. If Jesus is the new Adan, where is the new Eve in the protestant understanding of scripture? She doesn't exist. Moreover, the beauty of the catholic understanding about this is that if Mary is the new Eve, she is vindicating the error of the old Eve. If the old Eve led Adan into sin, the new Eve brings the solution to that by giving birth to the saviour. From that point of view, Mary vindicates the error of the old Eve. That does not happen in the protestant view of scripture. Moreover, that gives the woman a more powerful sense of dignity. When you hear someone saying "Hey christianity is misogynistic" we can say to that person: "Hey Mary is the mother of our saviour" "Mary is the queen of heaven". The woman in catholicism has more dignity than in protestantism. I hope James comes to catholicism.

[@KristiLEvans1]

New Adam and New Eve is theology built from types and shadows. We view Sacred Scripture as the only infallible source of authority. So if there’s a storehouse of theology around Mary, looking for it in the Bible, we expect to see SOME kind of fairly plain teaching from Christ, and/or the apostles, that would point us there. As it is, Mary disappears from Scripture after the upper room, Jesus rebukes her in his earthly ministry, John is completely silent about her life and death, and Paul - whose mission was to instruct the churches - never even mentions her by name. Mary is blessed among women, but there’s no evidence of ongoing mystical, hidden knowledge about her. That’s too close to Gnosticism, for my comfort, personally.

[@alfray1072]

@@KristiLEvans1 Sola scriptura is a false doctrine. You are a heathen (MAT 18:17). THE CHURCH IS PILLAR AND GROUND OF TRUTH (1 TIM 3:15). Without the church, there is no Canon of Scriptures / Holy bible

[@KristiLEvans1]

@@alfray1072 I’m not prepared to call reliance upon God’s word a heathen belief. Since Peter, himself, could fall in with Judaizers AFTER the upper room, I’m not disposed to worrying about what men write HUNDREDS (or thousands) of years from Christ’s ascension, then declaring their private thoughts “dogma” (and yes, I’m thinking of Ineffabilis Deus). Nor am I worrying about a man telling me that reliance upon theopneustos is a “heathen” act.

[@OnTheThirdDay]

Sorry but you are way off. If Christ is the new Adam then the Church ("the bride of Christ") is the new Eve. Scripture is filled with discussions of the motif, through several books. Eve wasn't Adam's mother. Let me know if you think the church fathers disagreed and if so, find evidence that Mary is the new Eve as being promoted by the early and reliable fathers. There also never was a queen of heaven in the old testament. (I am sure that you know that there are condemnations in the old testament about condemnations against worshipping a supposed goddess referred to the queen of heaven.)

[@mimm091285]

@@OnTheThirdDay No. In fact, you are the one way off because the church is not a person, rather Mary and Eve were. So, your interpretation of "the church being the new Eve" is not so good. Now, I did not say that "Eve was Adam's mother" right? I am just saying that Mary is the new Eve, because she vindicates the error and deception of the old Eve by bringing the saviour to the world. Now, using you methodology it would be like saying that Jesus cannot be the new Adan because Adan wasn't God. So, I am not basing the comparison on the role that they play, but rather in the fact that we have two people who are the new Adan and new Eve respectively in the New Testament. With regards to the claim that "there is no queen of heaven in the Old Testament" I never said there was a queen of heaven in the old Testament. We believe that Mary is the queen of heaven, but not beacuse there is a queen of heaven in the Old Testament, but because the queen in the Old Testament wasn't the wife of the King. The king had many, sometimes hundreds of wives, but none of them were the queen. Rather, the queen of Israel was the king's mother. Since Jesus is the King of heaven, who is Mary? Well, she is the queen of heaven and I don't understand why protestants don't accept that. They seem to believe that the title "queen of heaven" promotes Mary as some sort of goddess but the Catholic Church doesn't teach that Mary is a goddess just because she is Queen. That is a misunderstanding of the Protestants that is thrown on the Catholic doctrine.

[@mimm091285]

James says: "We can never know if what the pope is saying is infallible or not." Of course we can. If the pope declares something to be followed by the entire church in the whole world, then we know he is infallible like Peter when he declared that the gentiles had not to be circumcised. The church recognized that as being infallible because he was declaring something to be followed by the entire church, not just to those who were listening to him. So, of course they knew what he was saying was infallible because of the authority that Jesus gave him in Matthew 16, 18-20 and because he was talking to the whole church. What James is trying to do here is to give you the impression that we cannot know by any means when the pope is infallible on the basis that he can have a personal interpretation of a passage. But, of course he can have a personal interpretation of a passage. But there is a difference between a personal interpretation that a pope might have and the pope declaring that interpretation to be followed and believed by the whole church for it is directed to the whole church, not only to those who have breakfast with him in the morning. So here again we notice that James White is misrepresenting the doctrine of papal infallibility. He is not being honest at all!

[@KristiLEvans1]

Incorrect. Look at history. The whole church followed the original vulgate translation. It was “infallible”, right? Until linguistics and scholarship revealed it to be a very flawed translation, then viola! it became not infallible and was quietly updated and corrected by modern scholarship.

[@KristiLEvans1]

That’s just one example of “infallible at the time”, later, acknowledged as fallible

[@KristiLEvans1]

Before you accuse someone of being a liar, listen and think through what they’re saying, and research.

[@KristiLEvans1]

This isn’t the Middle Ages. We have tools at our fingertips that those believers and “magisterium” guys, didn’t have

[@mimm091285]

@@KristiLEvans1 If you did your reaseach you would know that Jerome was commissioned by the Church to translate the Bible into Latin. Infallibility of the pope extends to faith and morals, not biblical translations or translators. Even protestants go to the vulgate to increase their knowledge because that's part of the history of the church which is the catholic church.

[@johnraymond-pz9bo]

The Lord was Her Savior. He saved Her before She sinned.

[@craigime]

Where did you get that from?

[@stevostevozz1168]

Saved her from what ? Aren't we all sinful.after the likeness of Adam out father?

[@johnraymond-pz9bo]

Saint Joseph had also taken a bow of chastity

[@childoftheonetrueking7761]

*IN JESUS' BODY is the Fulfilled Law, The Bread of Life, The Manna, The Word of God, The Great High Priest. John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. Jesus Later Says HIS BODY IS THE TEMPLE that will be torn down and REBUILT IN 3 DAYS. CHRIST's Body is the DWELLING PLACE OF THE PRESENCE OF GOD. Not Mary's Womb. The Incarnate Diety Jesus, is the ARK of the Covenant. In fact the Ark was a forshadowing of Jesus. Just like Noah's Ark and the Rock in the Wilderness that brought water for the Israelites.*

[@francinelowe6376]

The mystery religion of all world powers from Egypt to Assyria to Babylon to Medo Persia to Greece to Rome always had to do with the worship of the star figures. The Tower of Babel most famously symbolizes and was used for the worship of the "star deities." Check out The Witness of The Stars" Bullinger and Gospel In The Stars" - Joseph Seiss for documented info on original zodiac and decan figures (now corrupted) which was the secret source of worship, known to us as the mythologies. Because of the "virgin" (Virgo") and other female decans in the star signs -- along with the mighty male figures - the nations have always embraced male/female wirship - and Rome is no exception - thus their worship of Mary as at least equal to Jesus Christ. Names of star "deities" such as Isis, Osiris, Hercules, Thor, etc. are names familiar to us ss these national religions have carried on. Rome has always had their mystery religion of star worship with the sign Virgo symbolizing Mary - the Queen to be worshipped along with her son. All this started at the Tower of Babel (Babylon) where Nimrod deified himself as the god represented by the star figures God has always had a case against Baal worship - the worship of the star figures - OT and on. Joseph Seiss, an old time theologian, believed and gave us a scholarly work on the ancient star signs in actuality revealing the true Gospel. The true hero of the star figures is the Lord Jesus Christ. God said in Genesis that He placed the stars in the sky for signs as well as seasons.

[@orangez1986]

Did the angel speak Greek to Mary to begin with?

[@ym_cod1882]

Probably

[@firingallcylinders2949]

No, why would he have? He would have spoken to her in her native tongue Aramaic. Greek was just the early language the gospels were written in.

[@KristiLEvans1]

No, Latin.

[@bridgefin]

@@KristiLEvans1 No, Greek.

[@KristiLEvans1]

@@bridgefin I’m kidding.

[@johnraymond-pz9bo]

James, congrats on you knowing .Mother of God was really about Jesus. Now learn this. A NON CATHOLIC CAN'T BECOME POPE.

[@alexpanagiotis4706]

Absolute nonsense

[@craigime]

The Marian dogma? Indeed

[@alexpanagiotis4706]

@@craigime No, you crazy american Disneyland protestants. Go an eat Burger

[@noah2633]

@@alexpanagiotis4706 The American Protestants are right about this issue.

[@alexpanagiotis4706]

@@noah2633 The unbaptised pagan american protestants are never right.

[@timothyvenable3336]

@@alexpanagiotis4706grow up dude haha you’re a joke

[@Alx1744]

It is painful listening to you trying to pronounce Greek, you need to ask some Greeks how to pronounce their language, because you are butchering it to an absurd degree.

[@timothyvenable3336]

I don’t speak Greek so I’m not sure, but you know he’s quoting koine Greek, right? No one speaks koine Greek anymore so he can’t ask anyone how to pronounce it lol

[@Alx1744]

@@timothyvenable3336 I have not found any manuscripts _(outside the latin catholic freemasonic church ofcourse)_ that says that Greek was pronounced differently back then.... same letters = same pronunciation, you could argue that there are regional-dialects, but I have yet to see why the general-pronunciation >of the same letters< would change throughout the years. Did somebody just wake-up one day and started shouting from the rooftops; "From now on we are going to pronounce the "i" as an "e"!" or what? Seems kinda ridiculous, if you ask me. Now I can see different pronunciations for different languages, and when they mix... but Greek has remained the same for thousands of years letter-wise, so I don't see why we wouldn't pronounce it the same. Can you show me another language where a letter changed it sound from one era to another? Why would anyone do that? 🤔🤔🤔 Seems like a pretty far-fetched claim to say that a letter all-of-a-sudden just one day decided "Oh, I have been a T my entire life, but from now on- I'm gonna be a W"... how silly! 😆😆😆😆

[@timothyvenable3336]

@@Alx1744 calm down calm down… I’m not suggesting you’re wrong or that White is correct, and again I don’t know Greek. But first of all, James is a Greek scholar, learned from other Greek scholars and communicates with other Greek scholars, and no one has said that. So maybe they are all wrong, I have no idea Second, languages evolve over time. Middle English is vastly different than old English, and it’s all very different than today. Pronunciations change, spellings change, that’s just the nature of written languages and languages in general. But anyway, maybe you’re right and he needs someone to help him out lol maybe you could since you’re an expert?

[@Alx1744]

@@timothyvenable3336 It's just; people lie about Hebrew all the time (I can prove it with scripture) so you can't fault me for being suspicious when the same crowds who lie about Hebrew claim that Greek-pronunciation has changed _(something that the Greeks themselves don't agree with b.t.w.)_ with the only sources cited being people like erasmus.

[@timothyvenable3336]

@@Alx1744 I’ll take your word for it. I don’t think it matters how the words are pronounced as long as the meanings of the words stay the same, right?

[@johnraymond-pz9bo]

Steve (I can't find your reply), Jesus is Savior of Mary... He saved Her from ever sinning.

[@timothyvenable3336]

Mary being sinless flies in the face of all of scripture. So when the Bible says no one seeks god, no one is good, all have sinned… did they just assume everyone knew about Mary’s sinless perfection? Or did they forget to say “all have sinned… except Mary” “no one seems god… except Mary”… I’m just so confused how anyone can come to that conclusion

[@adam9817]

Marian Dogmas are all over scripture.

[@johnraymond-pz9bo]

The Great Apostasy is raging. 200k Catholics left. Because... Because Catholics didn't show Our Lady of Fatima the devotion God wantef. Allowed Catholics to lose Rome

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

You really believe that Catholics left the church and there was a falling away because Catholics didn't show enough devotion to Mary. What is "enough" devotion to Mary? Is it praying to her more, praising her more, getting on your knees to her more, or bowing down to her statue enough times a day? If God wanted us showing extensive adoration to Mary, why didn't he show that show us that in the word, or have the disciples doing and teaching it?

[@johnraymond-pz9bo]

A little more complicated. 1917, Fatima. Mary asked laity to do very simple things and late 1920s, the Pope. That being Consecration of Russia... Anyway, bad priests suppressed this message, somewhat. The Consecration wasn't done. A few decades later , 1958, we lost Vatican. No true Pope since then. Catholic bishops, priests, laity well over 4999/5000 led into apostasy. We have almost no churches. And Francis is deceiving the world with his false papacy. Much devotion to Mary . the Brown Scapular led me directly to Sedevacantism. All or almosr all sedevacantists have strong devotion to Mary. Peace

[@johnraymond-pz9bo]

Typology. Seeing Mary at foot of crosd. Heretics taught me. I was born under Paul VI/ Bugnini who sought to destroy Catholic church. I heard about Prophecy of Simeon... And then they packed up and went home. I was a child, and thought WHAT? THAT'S IT? NADA ON THIS? God knew Fathers of Church would discuss it. Look at John, one sentence. She stood by foot of cross.. That's it? Yes, because God would have next group discuss it. Coredemptrix, when we get a pope. Catholic Church always grows after heretics attack us. And this was great apostasy.

[@INRIVivatChristusRex]

min 2:50 It has not change. Everything we believe about Our Blessed Mother Mary Ever-Virgen is about Our Lord Jesus Christ. We defend the Marian Dogmas because we defend who Our Lord Jesus Christ is and his work of redemption. God Bless! Viva Cristo Rey!

[@arminius504]

Mary’s ascension (bodily assumption) as well?! Nonsense. Mary is sinless and ascended into heaven in Roman Catholicism. Total insanity...

[@INRIVivatChristusRex]

@@arminius504 and intercedes for us! She is Queen of Heaven and Earth! She has perfect coercive power over all demons! The Evil One fierce Our Blessed Mother Mary more than he fierce Our Lord Jesus Christ. How's that for crazy? God Bless! Viva Cristo Rey!

[@champpit1]

@@INRIVivatChristusRex Quick question. Is the Word of God of extreme importance?

[@douglasmcnay644]

@@INRIVivatChristusRex Does Romans 3:23 mean nothing? Jesus is the only sinless one. To think otherwise is to deny the Word. Also, queen of heaven isn't a title that one should wish to be associated with. It is a pagan god that the Jew's were worshipping, much to God's anger.

[@INRIVivatChristusRex]

@@douglasmcnay644 What did Our Lord Jesus Christ came down from Heaven to do?

[@carlkohrs9857]

Fruit loops!

[@James22426]

Marian Dogma Mary is the New Eve (Gen 3:15, Luke 1:38, Jn 2:4, Jn 19:26, Gal 4:4, Rev 12:1, Rev 12:17) IMMACULATE CONCEPTION: As Eve was created sinless, the New Eve was born unstained by original sin. How can the New Eve be inferior to the old? ASSUMPTION OF MARY: If Adam and Eve had obeyed God, they would have entered heaven body and soul. Since the new creation is the fulfillment of the old, Jesus, the New Adam, and Mary, the New Eve, obeyed God perfectly. Due to their perfect obedience, they both entered heaven body and soul. Jesus ascended on his own power. While Mary was assumed into heaven by Jesus. CO-REDEMPTRIX: Both Adam and Eve sinned but it was Adam's sin that caused the downfall. Nevetheless, Eve was Co-Transgressor as she played a vital part in man's downfall. In a similar manner, although Jesus' obedience redeemed man, Mary was Co-Redemptrix as she played a vital role in man's redemption. Eve listens to a fallen angel, sins, and tempts Adam who brings the fall of man. Mary listens to an Angel, accepts God's plan, gives birth toJesus who is the redeemer of man. MEDIATRIX OF ALL GRACES: Mary is Mediatrix of All Graces because Mary gives birth to Jesus who reconciles man to God so we can receive God's grace. Also through Mary's intercessory prayers, we receive God's grace as displayed at the wedding at Cana when Jesus truned water into wine through Mary's intercession. It is not Mary's grace, but God's grace that we receive through Mary's intercession. Mary is the New Ark of the Covenant (Ex 40:34-35, Lk 1:35), (2 Sam 6:1-11, Lk 1:39), (2 Sam 6:14, Lk 1:43), (2 Sam 6:15, Lk 1:42), (2 Sam 6:9, Lk 1:43), ( 2 Sam 6:11, Lk 1:56), (2 Sam 6:11, Lk 1:39-45), (Ex 16:33-34, Ex 25:16, Num 17:10, Heb 9:5), (Rev 11:19, Rev 12:1) Prefigured in Jephthah's daughter (Luke 1:34,38 Judges 11:35-39) EVER VIRGIN: No man could touch the Ark (2 Sam 6:7). Similarly no man could touch Mary the New Ark of the covenant. Mary's viriginy upholds the divinity of Jesus. The Ark's main purpose was to bring the presence of God to his people. Similarly, the New Ark's main purpose was to bring the prescence of Jesus (God/Man) to the world. Sacred vessles set aside for God, cannot be used for normal use. Like a goblet used in worship cannot be used to drink wine at dinner. Simiarly Mary's womb set aside to bring God's prescence into the world cannot be used for normal use. Luke in 1:34,38 was alluding to Jephthah's daughter in Judges 11 who accepted the will of her father and was ever virgin. Likewise because Mary accepted God the Father's will, she became ever virgin. Her womb dedicated to God, could not be used for normal activity.

[@alfray1072]

Ave Maria

[@Arabian_Abomination]

Who deceived you?

[@James22426]

@@Arabian_Abomination With them indeed is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah which says: `You shall indeed hear but never understand, and you shall indeed see but never perceive.

[@Arabian_Abomination]

@@James22426 Seriously? That can be applied to you too. The fact is that Marian dogma is not in the Bible

[@James22426]

@@Arabian_Abomination Marian Dogma Mary is the New Eve (Gen 3:15, Luke 1:38, Jn 2:4, Jn 19:26, Gal 4:4, Rev 12:1, Rev 12:17) IMMACULATE CONCEPTION: As Eve was created sinless, the New Eve was born unstained by original sin. How can the New Eve be inferior to the old? ASSUMPTION OF MARY: If Adam and Eve had obeyed God, they would have entered heaven body and soul. Since the new creation is the fulfillment of the old, Jesus, the New Adam, and Mary, the New Eve, obeyed God perfectly. Due to their perfect obedience, they both entered heaven body and soul. Jesus ascended on his own power. While Mary was assumed into heaven by Jesus. CO-REDEMPTRIX: Both Adam and Eve sinned but it was Adam's sin that caused the downfall. Nevetheless, Eve was Co-Transgressor as she played a vital part in man's downfall. In a similar manner, although Jesus' obedience redeemed man, Mary was Co-Redemptrix as she played a vital role in man's redemption. Eve listens to a fallen angel, sins, and tempts Adam who brings the fall of man. Mary listens to an Angel, accepts God's plan, gives birth toJesus who is the redeemer of man. MEDIATRIX OF ALL GRACES: Mary is Mediatrix of All Graces because Mary gives birth to Jesus who reconciles man to God so we can receive God's grace. Also through Mary's intercessory prayers, we receive God's grace as displayed at the wedding at Cana when Jesus truned water into wine through Mary's intercession. It is not Mary's grace, but God's grace that we receive through Mary's intercession. Mary is the New Ark of the Covenant (Ex 40:34-35, Lk 1:35), (2 Sam 6:1-11, Lk 1:39), (2 Sam 6:14, Lk 1:43), (2 Sam 6:15, Lk 1:42), (2 Sam 6:9, Lk 1:43), ( 2 Sam 6:11, Lk 1:56), (2 Sam 6:11, Lk 1:39-45), (Ex 16:33-34, Ex 25:16, Num 17:10, Heb 9:5), (Rev 11:19, Rev 12:1) Prefigured in Jephthah's daughter (Luke 1:34,38 Judges 11:35-39) EVER VIRGIN: No man could touch the Ark (2 Sam 6:7). Similarly no man could touch Mary the New Ark of the covenant. Mary's viriginy upholds the divinity of Jesus. The Ark's main purpose was to bring the presence of God to his people. Similarly, the New Ark's main purpose was to bring the prescence of Jesus (God/Man) to the world. Sacred vessles set aside for God, cannot be used for normal use. Like a goblet used in worship cannot be used to drink wine at dinner. Simiarly Mary's womb set aside to bring God's prescence into the world cannot be used for normal use. Luke in 1:34,38 was alluding to Jephthah's daughter in Judges 11 who accepted the will of her father and was ever virgin. Likewise because Mary accepted God the Father's will, she became ever virgin. Her womb dedicated to God, could not be used for normal activity.

[@PaxMundi118]

Jesus does not share James' views on his Mother, nor his lack of love for her.

[@jerryyoung6494]

And Jesus never said or taught anything about Mary confirming, supporting, even hinting at the current Mary doctrine found in the Catholic Church. But my suggestion is that if you disagree then address the points James made or give any evidence about your belief of Jesus having a view that Mary is anything found in Catholic dogma.

[@PaxMundi118]

@@jerryyoung6494 Sure, doctrines of dogmas, brother? I can help either way.

[@PaxMundi118]

James addresses the Marian dogmas. So, a good place to start is the dogma of the Theotokos (Mother of God). To deny this Catholic teaching about Mary, you have to deny Jesus was (and is) fully human and fully divine, or that Mary was (and is) the fully human mother of Jesus. You cannot justify either of those extreme positions (denying Christ's two natures or Mary's real motherhood) with Scripture, and nor does any orthodox/mainstream Protestant scholar. You are left, as far as I can tell, with the undeniable fact that this Catholic teaching is, and always has been, true... Which one do you want me to tackle next, Jerry?

[@jerryyoung6494]

@@PaxMundi118 please forgive me if this comes out rude or “troll like” if you know what I mean. How about Mary being sinless, her bodily assumption, and her current roll as queen in heaven. I’m not trying to demean her but I do not see any scriptural justification for those. Or logical. I know going back to the mother of God idea that it’s problematic having Mary be a sinner so immaculate conception is used, but I see no scripture to support and if it could happen to her why not just skip it and only happened with Jesus. As for the other two, I’ve got no clue

[@PaxMundi118]

@@jerryyoung6494 Thank you, Jerry. I do believe you can make strong Scriptural arguments for all four Marian dogmas, if the evidence provided by the fathers of the Church and the saints and scholars over the centuries are of relevance...But let me ask you, Protestant brother, why should we assume that Holy Scripture is the sole rule of authority in the Church?...You can answer this, if you want, or I can assume it as well (for the purpose of conversation), and work from there. Keep in mind, though, that Mary's sinlessness is not dogma.

[@jameshutchinson7441]

I don’t hear Jesus when I hear this guy protest. Mary is the mother of the God/man - and our mother too as we bring Christ to fruition in our own divine filiation. I think he misses the point of Christianity: becoming like Christ.

[@craigime]

What does Mary have to do with becoming like Christ?

[@timothyvenable3336]

Mary has nothing to do with being conformed to the image of Christ. And Mary is not our mother, that’s a made up Catholic teaching found nowhere in scripture

[@JohnEButton]

Dr. Robert Sungenis already debated you on this and won...

[@KristiLEvans1]

I think who “won” depends upon what doctrine the listener holds.

[@KristiLEvans1]

I heard the debates, too. A couple of times.

[@JohnEButton]

@@KristiLEvans1 close. It depends on the best argument.

[@KristiLEvans1]

@@JohnEButton yes. And the guy who teaches geocentrism did not make a convincing case.

[@JohnEButton]

@@KristiLEvans1 Nothing could convince you

[@mspinnet]

You first need to understand that Mary is the mother of God. To deny that is to deny Trinity. If you can’t accept that you will never understand Marian Dogma.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

We must properly understand what is meant by Mary being the mother of God. If you mean Mary is the mother of the Godhead, or trinity, then you are totally incorrect. Mary is the mother of Jesus is God, but he is also man. Mary is the mother of Jesus as the son of man, and son of God, but not of God in his fullness.

[@craigime]

How is that denying the trinity?

[@mimm091285]

Also, I don't understand how someone like James who is so intelligent thinks that Mary being queen of heaven promotes her to some kind of goddess. All of us know that the queen is not more than the king.

[@KristiLEvans1]

Because “Queen of Heaven” was the name of an occult goddess. That’s the only time we see that title in Sacred Scripture. That Rome adopted it for Mary is a shock to many who are familiar with the title’s origins. When you hear accusations of paganism, those kinds of actions by Rome, is why you’re hearing it.

[@alfray1072]

@@KristiLEvans1 All the mothers of the kings of israel were called the GEBIRAH or Queen Mothers. The Queen Mother of heaven was seen by John in REV 12. In PSALMS 45:9, a Queenship exists in heaven. The only false queen is your queen james ghay bible LOL

[@KristiLEvans1]

@@alfray1072 Queen of Heaven is an occult title. Again, the ONLY time we see any reference of such a title in Scripture, it is an occult goddess. And yes, Elizabeth’s mom was referred to as Queen Mother, as with the examples you cite, that’s an earthly title. It’s a familiar, earthly title, in this case; an earthly role, in an earthly “royal” family. Just as occult titles are derived from earth paganism and earth religions, they of course borrow from things that are known on earth.

[@koenraadgessner1987]

Maybe because the only time the title "Queen of Heaven" is used in scripture, it's for a pagan goddess. It also implies an elevated status of Mary in heaven.

[@mimm091285]

@@koenraadgessner1987 but the context is different. Mary is not a goddess in the catholic church even though she is the Queen of heaven.

[@regg32457]

Mary was obviously born into sin by her parents, so she couldn't be considered sinless.

[@KathleenGuloy]

Dogma developed after looking back at the belief of Christians themselves, not text. Christians always considered Mary ever virgin. A dogma is defined looking back at personal beliefs due to senses of Scripture, its consistency and universality. This dogma was finally defined after arguing about it for so many years. Full of grace means no sin, there are so many visitations of Mary to believers that were remarkable. Full of grace, no sin. But Mary is a creature, she is nothing before God. She was in need of salvation by Christ. At her conception, her total response to her creation is Yes to God, thus saved by Christ. This was Duns Scotus’s proposal of hundreds of years earlier. St Thomas Aquinas did not believe her immaculate conception. So this dogma was in no haste, defined in 1856. You can read various early church father but what positions led to defined doctrines in the Catholic Catechism is not the same. Again the presenter is focusing on text but not the faith of Christians down through the ages. We are not of the book, but of the totality of Christ, His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity. Our baptism unites us to the Mystical Body of Christ..people did not have bibles, but the oral tradition. After Jerome, completed his work of the Bible, he sent it to St Augustine and his scribes, and they approved it. The canon was defined and approved by the pope. Later Jerome saw an error and brought it to a rabbi, but as it was defined by pope. You can find it if you wsnt. The Age of Mary was reserved for the latter days and return of Christ. Again presenter does not understand infallibility. The pope cannot make a dogma or ruling without 100% of the bishops. In 1856, Bernadette of France encountered a most beautiful woman, and later asked her name. The heavenly woman said, ‘I am the Immaculate Conception’. The ‘Song of Bernadette’ was a very good testimony in movie form.

[@KathleenGuloy]

Tertullian became an apostate.

[@DoubleAJ-cl5qq]

The apparition was a fallen angel impersonating Mary We aren’t to talk to familiar spirits of dead people; plus the apparition came preaching false doctrine “ immaculate conception”Galatians 1:8

[@timothyvenable3336]

First of all, the reason he’s focusing on texts is because that’s where absolute truth is, not from tradition. Tradition can be corrupted, even if it had good intentions. Second, I’m not a scholar on church history, but from what I do know Mary was not considered sinless, just very blessed to have raised the messiah. Third, if Mary was sinless, why did she need salvation? Saving from what? If she did not have sin, she did not need saving. Fourth, were the writers wrong in the Bible to say no one seeks after God, no one does good, for all have sinned… or did they just forget to say “…except Mary”?

[@DoubleAJ-cl5qq]

@@KathleenGuloy Revelation 17:1-6

[@DoubleAJ-cl5qq]

@@timothyvenable3336 Revelation 17:1:6 just might correlate and reveal the problem of tradition versus scripture alone

[@matthewbroderick8756]

Mary is the foretold woman in Genesis at enmity with satan, She AND HER OFFSPRING, Jesus Christ, as Mary was saluted by the Archangel Gabriel as being full of grace, even before baptism, which removes sin! Just As God was very specific about how the ark of the covenant of old was to be designed, a pure dwelling place for Him, all the more Mary! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink

[@KristiLEvans1]

Latin Vulgate error

[@matthewbroderick8756]

@@KristiLEvans1 Actually, the translation is accurate, as God said He would put enmity between the woman AND the serpent, AND between the serpent AND her offspring!

[@matthewbroderick8756]

@@KristiLEvans1 Again, are you saying that the Mother of the King in the Davidic line of royalty is NOT the Queen Mother? Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink

[@KristiLEvans1]

@@matthewbroderick8756 she’s Jesus mother. A created human, to fulfill the prophecy of the messiah and bring glory to the triune God.

[@KristiLEvans1]

@@matthewbroderick8756 she is not co-redemptrix or mediatrix. She is not the gateway to all graces. She was the best human woman to ever walk the face of the earth, but not sinless.

[@ldebrobander]

ALL have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God...Mary is no exception. Sin comes down through the seed of adam. And we can all be traced back to Adam. Each and everyone of us have an earthly father! The ONLY exception is the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit of God. Jesus had to be conceived by the Holy Spirit so that he would not be the seed of Adam and born under the curse of sin. Mary was blessed and highly favored. She was chosen by God to give birth to the Messiah. But you will never find a passage in scriprure where Jesus refers to Mary as his Mother. In fact, Jesus addresses Mary as "woman".

[@johnsteila411]

“All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” Are you saying that Christ sinned???

[@savannahfan]

Never understood why protestants like this guy always make such a big deal about Blessed Mary. Then I realized, they have to… 😮 It is much easier to go on the offensive, and expect Catholics to defend themselves, then to answer pointed questions about protestant beliefs That’s why this guy alway seems to come up short in debates Here’s the thing. Instead of demanding, that I defend what the full deposit of faith tells me…. Show me exactly where, in scripture that it denies the Immaculate Conception. I can point to many biblical verses, that justify what my Church teaches… Give me one that disproves it. You can’t 🤨 It just seems hypocritical that the same people that willingly accept the Blessed Trinity (well most of you that is, thankfully), or embrace some modern day interpretation like the supposed “rapture” (based upon far fewer verses), give the Church with an actual Apostolic lineage a hard time about our Marian teachings 🙄 Hopefully we can get back to reasoned discussions, and create more understanding instead of creating division Peace be with you

[@KristiLEvans1]

Because Rome says you HAVE to accept their beliefs about Mary or you’re damned to Hell. They’re *dogmas*. It’s kind of a big deal. :)

[@KristiLEvans1]

We kinda hafta examine this stuff for our very souls. If Rome is correct, we should cross the Tiber. This is what it means to “work out salvation in fear and trembling”. This level of study, even a generation ago, isn’t exactly a breeze. But we HAVE to know what’s right.

[@savannahfan]

@@KristiLEvans1 you do… That’s where the Dogma of the Blessed Trinity came from, from interpretation of Sacred Tradition approved and promulgated by Apostolic Authority of the Church And if someone started telling you they didn’t believe in the Trinity, you’d likely think they are heretical and worry for their soul. So how is is different now, just because you broke away, what justifies your beliefs…? You cannot say “Scripture Alone”, because Unitarians or Mormons claim the same, but they obviously think differently than you do… You NEED some Apostolic Authority, otherwise it’s just a slippery slope to further divergent and different interpretations (which is what Protestantism has become) Just saying. We still base what we teach off Tradition and Interpret Scripture with legitimate Authority. That’s the reason Protestant Leaders spend so much time attacking supposed Catholic Beliefs… Because they have trouble defending their own when pressed Peace be with you ✝️

[@craigime]

​@@savannahfangive the verses

[@savannahfan]

@@craigime no, YOU give the verses that justify your no longer following the beliefs and practices of the Church the Apostles and Early Church leaders built. You are following the ideas of in some German Guy, that came along 1500 years after our Lord, after his Apostle. So you are the one that needs to make, sure you can validate or prove why you believe what you believe… Not me

[@anthonycalipjo8669]

The analogy is so simple. If Mary is sinful, as she is human by nature, then the humanity of JC will also be sinful. Why??? Because Jesus develop His human body from the body of Mary. Or JC is like a clear and clean water, and if that water will pass from a dirty vessel, the water that will come out will also be contaminated. Or Mary maybe like a jar, although it is dirty before the incarnation, but God cleansed it before putting the living water inside, then it is safe to assume that Mary is prepared by God for the task. Who knows how it happened, just believe that nothing is impossible to God...❤️❤️❤️ and if the Catholic church is wrong, which I believe is not, to elevate and glorify Mary, what about Romans 8 which the Calvinist favourite quotes to glorify themselves, yes they like to think of themselves as part of the elect but without any assurance. Mary is the perfect example, God foreknew Mary. God predestined her. Those he predestined he called, those he called he justified, those he justified he sanctified and those he sanctified he glorified. That's Mary, not John Calvin, nor JW and most certainly not any Calvinist for that matter...

[@youthchildofgod7381]

Not a Calvinist here. Here’s the problem with your claim about Mary being sinful causing Jesus to be sinful. Mary’s sinfulness doesn’t automatically make Jesus sinful also. Even with Jesus’s human nature, He still has the divine nature. He’s not completely like man in this instance anyway. The fact that Jesus has both the Divine and Human natures should already be reason enough to say that Jesus will always remain sinless no matter what. To say otherwise might deny Jesus’s divinity, which I know as a Roman Catholic you wouldn’t do. But even if we were to accept the argument that Mary had to be sinless in order for Jesus to enter into the world, that would create a problem in the necessity of Jesus. If it was possible for even ONE human to be sinless in this world, there was no reason for Jesus to even come to save us of our sins, nor would it appear as just to give others sinlessness and not others. Jesus’s death was necessary for our sins, but how could that be the case if it was possible for us to be sinless anyway? It gives an implication that we can already be made sinless without Jesus’s death, which gives an unfair advantage to some humans. Especially when Catholics hold to John the Baptist being sinless even though he wasn’t a vessel, for lack of a better word, for Jesus to come to earth as a man.

[@anthonycalipjo8669]

@@youthchildofgod7381 you really didn't get the analogy don't you? I said even Mary was stained, with the grace of God, to bear His son, surely God will make a way to cleanse her from any sin. Because if she is not clean before the incarnation, surely JC would also be stained, in His human nature. The problem with you, and all the protestant for that matter is that you limit what God can do... and please don't get me wrong here. I never doubted JC divinity. But His humanity came from Mary. And if the bible says the flesh is a sinner, then it automatically follows that anyone and everyone born in the flesh is a sinner. Unless, cleanse by God...❤️❤️❤️

[@youthchildofgod7381]

@@anthonycalipjo8669 I’m not trying to limit what God can do. I didn’t say that God can’t do this, but what I’m saying is that why would God need to make someone sinless in order to bring Jesus into the world? That would be unnecessary, since we already believe in a God that can do anything, He is able to make Jesus sinless in His human body without having to make His mother sinless as well. It’s just adding extra steps to the process that 1. Isn’t really seen in the Bible, 2. Not really seen in the Church Fathers before the Council of Nicaea, and 3. Would be unnecessary. And why would Jesus be stained with sin if Mary was sinful? We’re talking about Jesus who is both God and Man. The idea of Jesus being stained with sin if Mary wasn’t sinless would only be worried about if Jesus wasn’t God. But given that He IS God, that would give reason as to why He isn’t sinful, regardless of Mary being sinless. That doesn’t change. But the bottom line is that Mary’s “necessity to be sinless” isn’t much of a reason to suggest she was, because surely God can bring Jesus into the world through a sinful vessel and not come out with sin in Him.

[@anthonycalipjo8669]

@@youthchildofgod7381 ok maybe you are right. You are right to believe what you believe. Actually God doesn't need anybody to bring salvation. Just His Word, one word and it's done. The thing is, God choose to do it with Mary, and as I said, predestination. Chosen before the foundation of the world. How about this parallel, in the old testament, there is the Ark of the Covenant, it's called the holy of holies, inside is the laws of God, the manna and the baton of Moses. No one is allowed to touch except the high priest. Some people touch it and they died. Read Exodus. In the new testament, Mary is the Ark of the new covenant, what is inside her is JC. The very word of God, God himself. Ref. Read, Mary ark of the new covenant, Orthodox faith. You said not believe by the church fathers, but maybe you are bias, St. Hippolytus believe it, AD 170, and St Gregory Thaumaturgus AD 213.

[@youthchildofgod7381]

@@anthonycalipjo8669 Can I see the quotes you’re referring to from Hippolytus and Gregory please? As for the parallel, it makes sense to a great extent, I’ll give you that. But I don’t really see how that has to imply that she was sinless or she needed to be sinless.

[@Mr.10X.]

There's no salvation outside the Catholic Church.

[@KristiLEvans1]

That’s a claim. Watch…. I’ll do the same. There’s no salvation outside the state of Florida. You have to be a Floridian to be saved. See? It’s a statement. A claim. Made by men. What we need to know is in Scripture. Knowing and believing what’s bound in Scripture is where salvation can be known.

[@craigime]

So it's a cult

[@Mr.10X.]

@craigime Catechism of the Catholic Church regarding: "Outside the Church there is no salvation." “Outside the Church there is no Salvation.” ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Reformulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: ⬇️ “Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. ➡️ Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it” ⚠️⬅️ (CCC here quotes The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, “Lumen Gentium,” 14, from the documents of Vatican II). The Church is very clear here. There is no salvation apart from a salvific union with the Catholic Church. However, the Catechism continues: ➡️➡️This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation” (quoting, Lumen Gentium, 16). “Although in ways known to himself God can lead those, who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men” (quoting Ad Gentes, 7, another document from Vatican II). "Is there really no Salvation Outside the Church?" Read here:⤵️ www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church Early Church Father's: Lactantius (died A.D. 310): "It is the Catholic Church alone which retains true worship. This is the fountain of truth, this is the abode of the Faith, this is the temple of God; into which if anyone shall not enter, or from which if anyone shall go out, he is a stranger to the hope of life and eternal salvation." (The Divine Institutes) Saint Ambrose (died A.D. 397): "Where Peter is therefore, there is the Church. Where the Church is there is not death but life eternal. ...Although many call themselves Christians, they usurp the name and do not have the reward." (The Fathers of the Church) St. Augustine "In the Catholic Church, there are many other things which most justly keep me in her bosom. The consent of peoples and nations keeps me in the Church; so does her authority, inaugurated by miracles, nourished by hope, enlarged by love, established by age. The succession of priests keeps me, beginning from the very seat of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection, gave it in charge to feed His sheep (Jn 21:15-19), down to the present episcopate." St. Ignatius A.D. 35 to 107. "See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. -Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8 Saint Jerome (died A.D. 420): "As I follow no leader save Christ, so I communicate with none but your blessedness, that is, with the Chair of Peter. For this, I know, is the rock on which the Church is built. ...This is the ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it shall perish when the flood prevails. ...And as for heretics, I have never spared them; on the contrary, I have seen to it in every possible way that the Church's enemies are also my enemies." (Manual of Patrology and History of Theology) Saint Thomas Aquinas (died A.D. 1274): "There is no entering into salvation outside the Church, just as in the time of the deluge there was none outside the ark, which denotes the Church." (Summa Theologiae) Saint Robert Bellarmine (died A.D. 1621): "Outside the Church there is no salvation...therefore in the symbol [Apostles Creed] we join together the Church with the remission of sins: `I believe in the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins'...For this reason the Church is compared with the ark of Noah, because just as during the deluge, everyone perished who was not in the ark, so now those perish who are not in the Church." (De Sacramento Baptismi) The Catholic Church teaches infallibly, “extra ecclesiam nulla salus,” or, “outside the Church there is no salvation.” But as with all dogmas of the Faith, this has to be qualified and understood properly. simple way of putting it is: • All salvation comes from Christ • Christ has linked salvation to Baptism • Baptism is the entryway into the Church • Therefore, the Church is necessary for salvation Our Blessed Lord Founded a Visible Church. In Matthew 16:19 our Lord gives this authority over his Church to Saint Peter: “Whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.” In Matthew 18:18, he gives the power to all the apostles: “Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.” His Church gave the World the Bible in the year 382 AD. (Do your research into the "Biblical Canon" and how it came about through various councils - dont just take my word for it.. study it.) See here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon Study the Early Church Father's: www.churchfathers.org

[@Mr.10X.]

@KristiLEvans1 Catechism of the Catholic Church regarding: "Outside the Church there is no salvation." “Outside the Church there is no Salvation.” ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Reformulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: ⬇️ “Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. ➡️ Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it” ⚠️⬅️ (CCC here quotes The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, “Lumen Gentium,” 14, from the documents of Vatican II). The Church is very clear here. There is no salvation apart from a salvific union with the Catholic Church. However, the Catechism continues: ➡️➡️This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation” (quoting, Lumen Gentium, 16). “Although in ways known to himself God can lead those, who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men” (quoting Ad Gentes, 7, another document from Vatican II). "Is there really no Salvation Outside the Church?" Read here:⤵️ www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church Early Church Father's: Lactantius (died A.D. 310): "It is the Catholic Church alone which retains true worship. This is the fountain of truth, this is the abode of the Faith, this is the temple of God; into which if anyone shall not enter, or from which if anyone shall go out, he is a stranger to the hope of life and eternal salvation." (The Divine Institutes) Saint Ambrose (died A.D. 397): "Where Peter is therefore, there is the Church. Where the Church is there is not death but life eternal. ...Although many call themselves Christians, they usurp the name and do not have the reward." (The Fathers of the Church) St. Augustine "In the Catholic Church, there are many other things which most justly keep me in her bosom. The consent of peoples and nations keeps me in the Church; so does her authority, inaugurated by miracles, nourished by hope, enlarged by love, established by age. The succession of priests keeps me, beginning from the very seat of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection, gave it in charge to feed His sheep (Jn 21:15-19), down to the present episcopate." St. Ignatius A.D. 35 to 107. "See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. -Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8 Saint Jerome (died A.D. 420): "As I follow no leader save Christ, so I communicate with none but your blessedness, that is, with the Chair of Peter. For this, I know, is the rock on which the Church is built. ...This is the ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it shall perish when the flood prevails. ...And as for heretics, I have never spared them; on the contrary, I have seen to it in every possible way that the Church's enemies are also my enemies." (Manual of Patrology and History of Theology) Saint Thomas Aquinas (died A.D. 1274): "There is no entering into salvation outside the Church, just as in the time of the deluge there was none outside the ark, which denotes the Church." (Summa Theologiae) Saint Robert Bellarmine (died A.D. 1621): "Outside the Church there is no salvation...therefore in the symbol [Apostles Creed] we join together the Church with the remission of sins: `I believe in the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins'...For this reason the Church is compared with the ark of Noah, because just as during the deluge, everyone perished who was not in the ark, so now those perish who are not in the Church." (De Sacramento Baptismi) The Catholic Church teaches infallibly, “extra ecclesiam nulla salus,” or, “outside the Church there is no salvation.” But as with all dogmas of the Faith, this has to be qualified and understood properly. simple way of putting it is: • All salvation comes from Christ • Christ has linked salvation to Baptism • Baptism is the entryway into the Church • Therefore, the Church is necessary for salvation Our Blessed Lord Founded a Visible Church. In Matthew 16:19 our Lord gives this authority over his Church to Saint Peter: “Whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.” In Matthew 18:18, he gives the power to all the apostles: “Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.” His Church gave the World the Bible in the year 382 AD. (Do your research into the "Biblical Canon" and how it came about through various councils - dont just take my word for it.. study it.) See here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon Study the Early Church Father's: www.churchfathers.org

[@Mr.10X.]

@craigime Catechism of the Catholic Church regarding: "Outside the Church there is no salvation." “Outside the Church there is no Salvation.” ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Reformulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: ⬇️ “Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. ➡️ Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it” ⚠️⬅️ (CCC here quotes The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, “Lumen Gentium,” 14, from the documents of Vatican II). The Church is very clear here. There is no salvation apart from a salvific union with the Catholic Church. However, the Catechism continues: ➡️➡️This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation” (quoting, Lumen Gentium, 16). “Although in ways known to himself God can lead those, who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men” (quoting Ad Gentes, 7, another document from Vatican II). "Is there really no Salvation Outside the Church?" Read here:⤵️ www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church Early Church Father's: Lactantius (died A.D. 310): "It is the Catholic Church alone which retains true worship. This is the fountain of truth, this is the abode of the Faith, this is the temple of God; into which if anyone shall not enter, or from which if anyone shall go out, he is a stranger to the hope of life and eternal salvation." (The Divine Institutes) Saint Ambrose (died A.D. 397): "Where Peter is therefore, there is the Church. Where the Church is there is not death but life eternal. ...Although many call themselves Christians, they usurp the name and do not have the reward." (The Fathers of the Church) St. Augustine "In the Catholic Church, there are many other things which most justly keep me in her bosom. The consent of peoples and nations keeps me in the Church; so does her authority, inaugurated by miracles, nourished by hope, enlarged by love, established by age. The succession of priests keeps me, beginning from the very seat of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection, gave it in charge to feed His sheep (Jn 21:15-19), down to the present episcopate." St. Ignatius A.D. 35 to 107: "See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. -Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8 Saint Jerome (died A.D. 420): "As I follow no leader save Christ, so I communicate with none but your blessedness, that is, with the Chair of Peter. For this, I know, is the rock on which the Church is built. ...This is the ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it shall perish when the flood prevails. ...And as for heretics, I have never spared them; on the contrary, I have seen to it in every possible way that the Church's enemies are also my enemies." (Manual of Patrology and History of Theology) Saint Thomas Aquinas (died A.D. 1274): "There is no entering into salvation outside the Church, just as in the time of the deluge there was none outside the ark, which denotes the Church." (Summa Theologiae) Saint Robert Bellarmine (died A.D. 1621): "Outside the Church there is no salvation...therefore in the symbol [Apostles Creed] we join together the Church with the remission of sins: `I believe in the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins'...For this reason the Church is compared with the ark of Noah, because just as during the deluge, everyone perished who was not in the ark, so now those perish who are not in the Church." (De Sacramento Baptismi) The Catholic Church teaches infallibly, “extra ecclesiam nulla salus,” or, “outside the Church there is no salvation.” But as with all dogmas of the Faith, this has to be qualified and understood properly. simple way of putting it is: • All salvation comes from Christ • Christ has linked salvation to Baptism • Baptism is the entryway into the Church • Therefore, the Church is necessary for salvation Our Blessed Lord Founded a Visible Church. In Matthew 16:19 our Lord gives this authority over his Church to Saint Peter: “Whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.” In Matthew 18:18, he gives the power to all the apostles: “Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.” His Church gave the World the Bible in the year 382 AD. (Do your research into the "Biblical Canon" and how it came about through various councils - dont just take my word for it.. study it.) See here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon Study the Early Church Father's: www.churchfathers.org

[@virmariannmedado7408]

Sorry but the Catholic Truth has the fullness of Truth , why would i believe you when in the Church the Most intellect human being defended the why the Church believe what we believe because it came from our Blessed Lord Himself who founded the only Church the Catholic Church PERIOD. No matter how you put down or twist and misled people about the Catholic Doctrines and Dogmas you can never put down the only Church founded by the Son of God , all those people , leaders or empires who tried to destroy the Catholic Church are now six feet under and the Catholic Church still stands. The Church has the greatest Saints, Doctors, intellects like the Church Fathers, St Thomas Aquinas, St Teresa Of Avila, St Therese the little flower, now we have great apologist like Trent horn that man was not even close when he had debate with him, Jimmy Akin, Dr Scott Hahn, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Patrick Coffin, Michael Voris, Mother Angelica, Jesse Romero, Great and obedient sons and daughters like Venerable Fulton Sheen, St John Paul II, Pope Emeritus Pope Benedict XVI whose intellect are beyond this world, with Supernatural Faith who do not only know the Faith but lived their Catholic Faith. The only Church that can provide so many Supernatural Miracles and Healings, the only Church that produced so many great Saints whose life are truly pattern towards our Blessed Lord like St Mother Teresa of Calcutta, St Francis of Assisi, St Padre Pio, St Teresa of Avila, St Faustina . Many people or denomination accused the Catholic Church as the Hoar of Babylon or called different names but these people falsely accused the only Church founded by the Son of God and the rest founded by merely men or women. They are totally blind and proud that they know the Truth and accused the only Church founded by Truth Himself. Listened to the stories or cases of Exorcists priests within the Catholic Church like Fr Gabriel Amorth the former chief exorcist of Rome he handled so many cases of beyond this world experienced and within those years of his ministry where he saved so many souls from the hands of the enemy with the power and authority given to him by the Church which is the Authority came from the Son of God who founded His Church on earth. Fr Amorth faced the real enemy of the Church , he encountered demons and the enemy confirmed what the Catholic teaches and believed and they said that the Catholic Church has the Real Doctrine. They fear all Sacramentals and hates Holy Sacraments of the Catholic Church like the Sacrament pf Penance or Confession. Where the soul of one person come back to life after it died when they committed Mortal Sin, only the sacrament of confession can let put back our Soul to become Spiritually come back to life , so that is why they don’t want people to go to confession and those who do not promote it or tell lies about the Holy Sacrament of Penance are instruments of the enemy. Have you heard about the story of St Katherine of Sienna about a woman who came to talk to her one day a rich woman and because of St Katherine of Sienna’s holiness she can smell the stench on a person soul especially if that person did not confess for a long time, so one day this rich woman came and talk to St. Katherine and all the time the woman was talking St Katherine did not face the woman and talking sideways then a friend of St Katherine approached her after the rich woman left and said why did she do that to the woman and what she did is kinda rude, St Katherine responded the reason why she was unable to talk to the woman face to face and answered her friend, Can’t you smell the stench of the rich woman’s soul? Remember within the Catholic Church you can read so many great stories of Saints whose lives are worth imitating but at the same time very hard to follow but what motivated these holy people their Love towards our Blessed Lord and His mystical Body on earth , the Church-The Catholic Church. So, remember inside the Church you can find Saint lives who lived a life of great Sacrifice and holiness you can never see that outside the Catholic Church because of them live in a secular life and still enjoy a material life on earth . Remember many people judge the Catholic Church by those members who half hearted love, know and live their Catholic Faith , of you want to know the authentic Catholic Church look and judge it by the lives of so-many Holy Saints, Martyrs who live a life of great sacrifice and their motivation is their great Love to our Blessed Lord and His Church and they follow the authentic teaching of our Blessed Lord and the reason they are Holy and endured a life of Sacrifice and Holiness because their intellect and align with God and they are in the right path following it because the fullness of truth can only be found inside the Catholic Church❤️❤️❤️🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@KristiLEvans1]

Did you listen to the video?

[@KristiLEvans1]

It’s not +personal+ it’s about doctrine.

[@craigime]

So it's a cult then

[@southpawmoose]

I pray everyday for the catholic church. That her people would wake up and see the lies and peganism it contains denounce it and return to Christianity,

[@John-u8c6g]

What a silly comment.

[@younis9819]

Heretics will never come to love the mother of God.

[@craigime]

She's dead

[@PlasmaSnake369]

You use an English translation of the Angelic Salutation that was done by someone who was explicitly anti-Catholic to support your Protestantism. LOL

[@Nolongeraslave]

Interpretation ~ I have no valid argument, but since you are a Protestant, no Catholic listens!

[@PlasmaSnake369]

@@Nolongeraslave no my argument was simply that he's using an inaccurate translation

[@Nolongeraslave]

@@PlasmaSnake369 What does the accurate translation say?

[@PlasmaSnake369]

@@Nolongeraslave Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.

[@Nolongeraslave]

@@PlasmaSnake369 From which translation is that? Are you also a bible scholar like James White? Which translation scholars' committee would you refer to me. I don't know Greek, but I have read several commentaries saying the word in the Angel's greetings proper translation is "highly favoured one".

[@alfray1072]

The IMMACULATE CONCEPTION does not deny THE LORD GOD BEING MARY'S SAVIOR, it even highlights it because it is about MARY BEING SAVED IN ADVANCED BY THE LORD GOD SO HE CAN BE CONCEIVED IN HER WOMB IN THE BUBBLE OF SPACE AND TIME (EARTH). THIS IS WHY MARY WAS SALUTED BY ANGEL GABRIEL "HAIL ! FULL OF GRACE" and YOU HAVE FOUND GRACE WITH GOD IN LUKE 1:28-31.

[@davidbalicki3567]

how can anyone be saved in advance?

[@alfray1072]

@@davidbalicki3567 How can anyone on this earth be full and endowed with grace saluted by Angel Gabriel in LUKE 1:28-31 if the Savior Jesus was not even born yet in the bubble of space and time (earth)? A person can be preserved from the stain of sin (JUDE 24). JUDE 24 24 Now to him who is able to preserve you without sin, and to present you spotless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, in the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, - CHRIST IS THE SPOTLESS LAMB and shares his humanity with Mary his mother, and he cannot be conceived in a sinner's womb that is why Mary had to be saved in advanced (Immaculately Conceived). CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH - IMMACULATE CONCEPTION: 490 To become the mother of the Savior, Mary "was enriched by God with gifts appropriate to such a role." 132 The angel Gabriel at the moment of the annunciation salutes her as "full of grace". 133 In fact, in order for Mary to be able to give the free assent of her faith to the announcement of her vocation, it was necessary that she be wholly borne by God's grace. 491 Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, "full of grace" through God, 134 was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854: The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin. 135 492 The "splendor of an entirely unique holiness" by which Mary is "enriched from the first instant of her conception" comes wholly from Christ: she is "redeemed, in a more exalted fashion, by reason of the merits of her Son". 136 The Father blessed Mary more than any other created person "in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places" and chose her "in Christ before the foundation of the world, to be holy and blameless before him in love". 137 493 The Fathers of the Eastern tradition call the Mother of God "the All-Holy" (Panagia), and celebrate her as "free from any stain of sin, as though fashioned by the Holy Spirit and formed as a new creature". 138 By the grace of God Mary remained free of every personal sin her whole life long. 132 LG 56. 133 Lk 1:28. 134 Lk 1:28. 135 Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus (1854): DS 2803. 136 LG 53, 56. 137 Cf. Eph 1:3-4. 138 LG 56.

[@davidbalicki3567]

@@alfray1072 in order to be preserved from sin, you must have sinned and have that sin removed before you can be preserved from sin. All have sinned (including Mary) and fallen short of the glory of God.

[@alfray1072]

@@davidbalicki3567 does that include Jesus? so how did her Lord God saved her when he was not even born yet in the (bubble of space and time) earth yet? The new Covenant was not even established yet? How was she able to gain full of grace when Jesus was not born yet in the (bubble of space and time) earth? FYI Grace was given to mankind after the death and resurrection of Christ.

[@davidbalicki3567]

@@alfray1072 Jesus is eternal God