Toyota Hilux Mods part 4, THE COMPLETE ROOF RACK

[@Ronny_Dahl]

FOLLOW UP VIDEO HERE: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGSVqZdvr5mGkJY

[@OverlandingwithBruce]

Massive respect for looking into this and finding the truth and even more for admitting fault. Thank you

[@bushlimoadventures5076]

Good review mate keep up the good work

[@Andrew.Stuart]

I think this issue is a wake up call, a learning curve if you will, I have the Rhino Tradie installed on my ute too, after all it's called tradie which conjures images of heavy duty use. Well done for manning up and taking the issue head on and using the platform to highlight the shortcomings of the product and to give Tyler credit for his warnings, well done guys.

[@MrGgraham76]

Great videos

[@phantomwalker8251]

11 lt 100. my truck weighs 4t,gets 12.5 lt 100..6 cyl,no computer..

[@Ronny_Dahl]

Its been an interesting day! I have more than a few items to address, all those about in particular the Roof Rack and the 1.5 / load for off-roading. Without getting into this right here and now I'll be doing a follow up video about this specific topic and what I'm going to do about the issue I now have. I have also been in contact with Tyler via IG message. The coming week is going to be interesting to say the least. Stay tuned and watch this space. Cheers Ronny

[@peterjewell3005]

Was the rhino rack given to you or did you pay for it? Awesome vids Ronny. Cheers.

[@Ronny_Dahl]

@@peterjewell3005 I'll reveal that in the follow up video mate

[@campingmates]

I was thinking about this actually and glad the bois get together to sort it out, after Tyler’s I was pretty sceptical about the whole roofrack ball game, but I am getting roof platform system with backbone and they bolted on to the car using exciting roof rails mounts. So not really worried but I was shocked when you showing the thin pop revert. I think you should be really careful with specially you do lot of hardcore off road driving and loading the tack to the maximum use. Stay safe out there !!

[@iray3242]

I really like how you are keeping things fairly basic in this build and paying attention to weight. Keep up the good work!

[@rgachinga1]

When did the bullbar get installed? Did i miss an episode?

[@dustyliving179]

Watching Tyler Thompson’s last video of his roof rack and ‘off road load ratings’ that 79kg is possibly over weight. His roof rack broke off the roof with only a 55kg tent on the roof. And rhino wouldn’t cover because it was overweight.

[@thomasDLC]

I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if the backbone system allows more weight?

[@tomring9533]

Definately agree. I purchased the same system recently and then discovered the “off-road load limit”. The hilux roof has a 100kg weight limit. To calculate the off-road limit you do the following. 100kg divide by 1.5 = 66kg total weight on top of roof. Then you must remove the weight of the rack itself to find the leftover for gear and accessories. Rack weighs approx 27kg. 66kg - 27kg= total leftover capacity for accessories. Leaving you with only 39kg 😖 The ford ranger is even worse with only 26kg capacity leftover. Be careful as rhino will not cover under warranty if over weight.

[@dustyliving179]

@@thomasDLC yea I’m not sure because it is still mounted with those ally rivets. Should realy be bolted down. It’s changed my mind when shopping for a rack. They really need to advertise it a lot better. So many people have so much weight on there roofs.

[@paulholyoak]

Tyler's was fitted the same way, backbone with alloy rivets. This setup is already overweight according to Rhino's own documentation.

[@andrewsimpson669]

@@tomring9533 based on this video and your sums, the Lux is overloaded?

[@kenorrah8072]

My favourite 4x4 channel on KZbin. It’s about time someone did a “ less is more “ build series where the emphasis isn’t on how much can I bolt on to my overweight , over worked and over priced vehicle. Good stuff , keep it up .

[@rickySPANish_]

What I've learnt from Ronny's channel is wheelin in aus is completely different from anywhere else in the world.

[@justdowntheroad4218]

About your roof load. Have a look at tylor Thompson. He has the Backbone System aswell and the hole thing came off on his 1. day on Fraser Island. Apparently its just rated for 40kg for offroad use. Which leaves you with only 20kg considering the plattform adds 20kg already.

[@kieron3676]

Not quite. He didn't have the backbone system. That wasn't available when he got the rack.

[@justdowntheroad4218]

@@kieron3676 might have to watch it again mate 😉

[@davidmackander9308]

I was going to comment this aswell. Would be interested if he shows us the off road rating. And the roof rating of the vehicle. Definitely someone I would like him to discuss.

[@kieron3676]

@@justdowntheroad4218 check his coffs harbor vid. The intro clearly shows the crossbars and not a backbone.

[@justdowntheroad4218]

@@kieron3676 fraser vid is just a couple of weeks old...think you are not up to date..

[@DeejayManii]

*tyler thompson has entered the chat*

[@travx467]

Fwwwwrrr

[@allancoy1043]

I can't believe a well established company doesn't want to review a video that includes their product. Especially if it wasn't paid for by the publisher. 3250k+ subscribers makes an influence. As Ronny said in his follow up video, it's a wakeup call. Not only for the content creators but the manufacturers in this industry. They are the experts on what they sell and need to take responsibility for what influencers are saying, especially if a sponsorship has occurred or a product is provided for free. Hats off to you Ronny for the honest follow up and good luck with the remainder of the lux build.

[@SHOCKcustoms]

Can you please do a vid on load carrying capacity on the rhino rack. Also the different ratings for offroad and onroad. Lastly can you please review the failures associated with mounting rhino racks with rivets and the sheering of the mounting hardware. Thanks love the content ronny.

[@steveberg2685]

Lots of comments on here Ronny about the weight you can legally carry on your vehicle's roof (both on-road and off-road). You've got a great channel and your subscribers put a lot of faith in your advice. This roof rack thing though is a very big issue because we see so many people with a lot of gear up top. I guess there are a few people out there who are just going to load up their racks whether they're aware of load limits or not but in my experience roof platform manufacturers and retailers are not being upfront with clear and full disclosure about weight limits. Sure this stuff is in the fine print but is that enough? Things can go very wrong if a roof rack comes off at speed. Time to call this out before somebody is seriously hurt.

[@Ronny_Dahl]

I’ll be addressing this soon in a follow up stay tuned.

[@steveberg2685]

@@Ronny_Dahl Thanks Ronny. Love your channel and I look forward to your response.

[@JeffGearman]

Hi mate.. loving project luxy!!! Just got my new rig and looking at all your videos and watching them about 59 times each episode... I have never been 4WD yet but and watching all your videos and learning a lot ... thanks so much for sharing your extensive knowledge... thanks Jeff.

[@joshylasnow1671]

The gear mounted to the roof rack is stronger secured than the roof rack to the car..... here go the pop rivets again.

[@yaelri1430]

Wow, you are right Ronny...the weight just adds up really quick.

[@luisandluisgabriel6778]

Hey Ronny, my MPGs improved a bit when I put a wind deflector on the front of my rack. Not to mention the items up there were not getting hammered as much. I have a Front Runner, and purchased their camp table which goes up on the rack. It was getting hit hard by the wind. After the deflector up front under my lights, no more issues.

[@vishp3162]

Rivets used to secure the roof rack? Doesn’t seem so secure:)

[@k2svpete]

Rivets and glue hold most planes together. It's all about choosing the right fixings for the right application.

[@jjsadv]

Quick search of YT will show a lot of these rivets being pulled out..

[@AlexandarHullRichter]

Planes are held together by rivets because there's a rivet every quarter inch for the entire seem. It's a lot more secure when a part is held in place by 200 rivets instead of 4 or 8.

[@jjsadv]

I dont think you can put the riveting of planes and roof racks into the same sentence.. Boeing dont duck down to Bunnings to get a few rivets to hold the wing on..

[@truetierra]

@@AlexandarHullRichter Plus anyone comparing a roof rack on a vehicle to that of aerospace or aviation engineered masterpiece needs to take a step back. There are things like shear load, aerodynamics, complex curves, weight etc. Having only have a dozen or so rivets used in an application where there will be high lateral movement forces when off-roading its not wonder there are horror stories out there with these low rivet count backbone setups.

[@terryoleary5424]

Good looking rig Ronny , I know nothing about roof racks but I hope there’s more than rivets holding it on

[@larjkok1184]

What’s wrong with rivets?

[@terryoleary5424]

@@larjkok1184 they only lock from one side ....... not that hard to figure out

[@jettdowd2603]

they hold things together would use rivets over screws any day

[@terryoleary5424]

@@jettdowd2603 what about nut n bolt ? Have u ever been on corrugated roads , even for just 30 mins

[@danielgreen1894]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/m37bY2ZoncaFr9E

[@GCALcontent]

Good vid as usual Ronny ...and loved the sound of the Black Cockatoo's in the background too.

[@nabob14]

I highly highly highly recommend replacing the revits on the "backbone" mounts with bolts and washers!!!! Many many cases of the revits breaking or pulling through the roof!

[@Exploreyourmind24]

Hi Ronny. I’m loving your videos. I’m looking at a hilux, I’m a complete newbie, your information and ideas are terrific. Thanks

[@GaryDasha]

Hats off to ya Ronny! We all make mistakes. We're only human after all

[@Phil_McAvity]

Mesh style roof rack all day for me 🤙

[@chris-tq5ly]

And you don’t have to buy all the different mounts either!!

[@bingobango4892]

After seeing Tyler Thompson’s video. I’ll never buy a Rhino Rack. Will spend my hard earned elsewhere.

[@huw1825]

i was going too, until i saw that video

[@joshobrien7708]

Same, those frontrunner racks look decent

[@TheLucifah]

Front Runner

[@richardachyde]

its got nothing to do with Rhino rack, if you read the detail, its the LOAD RATING of the actual roof of the vehicle, it doesn't matter what brand you install.

[@Just_Tom09]

Don't buy any roof rack at all - almost never worth it.

[@ikecombat1]

I had this backbone on my Hilux...had a rooftent on it and after light offroading in Kosika and Sardinia all rivets went loose or ripped off...and there was no chance to get them on again...had to sell the car...now waiting for my 79 2021 model ;-).... So after seeing here so many others who had this issue...just will add here that I went back home on german highways with 160 km/h..imaging seeing the whole setup flighing in the back mirrow and hitting other cars. Hopefully that issue will find his way to the right people at rhino rack ...so far it seems it dosen't!!

[@chrisl2915]

Rivets? Sooner or later that rack is going to rip the rivets out and the rack is going to fly off. Suggest to bolt it on with plates on the inside under the rooflining. Vibration from corrugations and off road driving will work the rivets loose. Wind buffetting from highway driving and shock load when passing trucks going in opposite direction will eventually rip the rivets out. Check the on vs offroad load ratings before loading.

[@markp4668]

If nothing else Tyler Thompson’s channel just got quite a few more hits and possibly subs as well. I am a fan of both blokes hopefully Ronny will do a follow video after he has done some research.

[@wietsswanepoel5252]

I'm a fan of a guy who tells the truth like what happened to Tyler Thompson even he admitted that he overloaded but to use pop rivets on a roofrack i would rather take the hood lining out and use bolts like the frontrunner rack is mounted.

[@sumodaze2198]

I actually unsubbed Tyler over it. His constant whinging when it was his own fault put me off bigtime. Anybody with half a brain would realise that load ratings change offroad, the forces applied to items on the roof when bouncing over corrugations and ruts are extremely different than driving along a smooth road, and he cant seem to get that through his head. The load ratings Rhino give, are purely based of the Manufacturers ratings. It wasnt the rack that let him down, it was the way it was mounted and overloaded.

[@markp4668]

@@sumodaze2198 Hmm each to there own I guess. It makes sense that there is an off road limit but I will admit that I didn't think it would be so low. I don't see him whinging just making the issue more broadly known. I guess with Ronny and Tyler discussing it. it hopefully will become common knowledge. I wish both blokes well with their channels and life in general.

[@sumodaze2198]

The offroad rating is just a guideline as it changes depending on terrain. IE your rack can handle more weight on firetrails then it would bouncing up a rutted out rocky 4x4 track. So Rhino make it so low to cover every scenario. The issue comes down to the mounting, not the actual rack. Majority of vehicles with Rhino mounting will be fine offroad with much higher weights than what Rhino say, but some (like Tylers navara) would require a different mounting system if you want to load it up over the limits. Rivets through thin sheet metal, no matter the rack, will pull through in certain situations when overloaded.

[@poeyd9624]

$2000 roof rack with $2 pop rivets , That’s unbelievable , really do hope it don’t blow off and hit somebody on the highway !

[@IleneOva]

All that just to mount lights and show off his maxtrax🤣.

[@weekendworkethic6177]

Seeing all these comments after tylers video im guessing rhino is really dissapointed they didnt just repair his for him 😅😅

[@Dagnatic]

The 23zero is just about the perfect awning I’ve been looking for for my space cab Ute!

[@bananasusyd]

Thanks for the video Ronny! Did you catch Tyler Thompson's video on the roof racks? Would love to hear your opinion on it.

[@Ronny_Dahl]

No sorry I don’t know of him. I’ll look him up next time I have a spare minute. I tend to not watch 4wd stuff on KZbin as it’s all I’m looking at everyday 😂

[@gullf1sk]

Holy moly, i would not trust those rivets holding the roof rack down when offroading

[@martysib6547]

Hey Ronny, great info there with weights and pricing. It was about 30KG heavier than I would of guessed. Make sure you don't loose your way on this lightweight build. I would leave some of those Maxtracks off and also not plan on this being a towing car. If you need to tow, take the Cruiser. Being a light weight 4wd you will get stuck less, remember 6 tracks is what you carry for the cruiser. I carry only two tracks in the 3.4t Patrol and rarely use them but when required they still work. You also never(rarely) travel alone, borrow tracks from your travelling buddy if required. That awning is great but I'm not a fan of the privacy shower tent. Just get a pop-up version and stick it out of the way at your camp, then you can store it lower and it doesn't hinder the use of car doors. Remember! - Lightweight means compromise and not always easy. Also one smaller light bar would have done the job, not as bright but does the job! The Hilux is starting to look like an ad for every mod you can buy. A discreet light bar under or in front of rack will be harder to notice and look stealth. Marty

[@BadlyDubbed]

Thanks for the update Ronny. Not sure if i misinterpreted, but I dont understand how a rack with limited places to tie down (using slat tracks and eyelets) is more flexible in terms of positioning than the security mesh style with significantly more options. I've got the same rhino rack and have no plans to change, but can't deny the quick fine tuning you could do on a mesh rack without shifting eyelets in tracks. The slats look a lot better but i do wish they had some of the practicality of a mesh rack.

[@Ronny_Dahl]

It’s the structural bars under the security mesh that is the issue for me they seem to be in the way when trying to mount semi permanent items like gas bottles and Maxtrax holders ect

[@BadlyDubbed]

@@Ronny_Dahl ahh gotcha.

[@citizen1881]

Edit: Have another look at Tyler's video, I think he really raised some good points and Rhino's response put me off. Look forward to you addressing it and keep up the great support of other creators, we saw you reach out to him in a comment, that's a good visual

[@Ronny_Dahl]

Today was the first time I knew of Tyler. I don’t watch other 4wd channels much as I’m editing my own stuff all the time. I wish I had seen this before however it’s not the news I wanted but it’s something that needs to be discussed in a video soon.

[@citizen1881]

@@Ronny_Dahl that's all we can ask for Ronny, take another look at it. I'm going to edit my comment

[@JimBob-qh8gl]

Looks like we have opened a can of worms @Ronny Dahl, Might need to strap your roof rack down to your rock sliders to make sure.

[@explore_off_road]

"If noise bothers you, and things rattling around" ... don't get into Off Roading ... everything will rattle soon enough, no matter what vehicle.

[@Malc664]

A couple of spotties hiding in the grill looks neat. Rivets trying to hold down 80 kg over rough terrain is worrying. Did you see Tyler Thompsons' video Ronnie?

[@Just_Tom09]

Not surprised on weight at all. Avoid roof racks unless you absolutely need it. Looks really cool though great job

[@Ronny_Dahl]

Best comment today so far. Avoid unless you need it

[@nosignal88]

BEST COMMENT 2021

[@Just_Tom09]

@@Ronny_Dahl thanks Ronny, really appreciated your update video. Good luck with the new product.

[@Jimmyy32]

Ronny mate I think you've gone past the roof racks off road load rating

[@darthvader8433]

Seen some beauties with roof racks. Like the swag mounted across the front of the roof rack, with very little else, or the mattress held down with just one strap, standing vertically in half catching the wind.

[@511dydy]

I got that rhino rack system and the backbone as well. Thanks to you i got myself the antenna mount. I put a stedi led bar at the front of the rack.

[@FJUH]

“Take your time and plan” Excellent advice!!!

[@lastknownlocation8760]

According to the rhino rack link sent by TT the hilux roof is rated to 100 kg minus 22 kg for the rack leaves 78kg divided by 1.5 equals 52 kg for off road maximum of load on the rack Or including the weight of the rack 100 kg /1.5 = 66 kg total so you’re over @80 kg Ronny. Please let us all know what Rhino respond with. You might have to change to front runner

[@ilikelampshades6]

Yessssss ive been waiting for the next Hilux video. Cant wait to see the next installment

[@chrisconnolly8745]

Your a mad dog Ronny thanks for your amazing reviews!

[@royblackburn1163]

The weight limits are borderline Tyler Thomson's was only 3 kg over and it tore off, the rivets pulled through the roof so using stainless makes no difference. Scrap it and start again avoid grief !

[@Christian76S]

Got a Pioneer platform on my LR3 too. Pro Tip: Go to your hardware store for M8 eye bolts, washers and 20mm wide M8 channel nuts. WAY less expensive than the Rhino-Rack rip-off.

[@jarradmaate7883]

Your crazy Ronny I wouldn’t be pop rivoting the rack in. Have a look at Tyler Thompson’s video on them falling off.

[@Ronny_Dahl]

Well I guess space X is going to fall apart too then they make rockets held together by rivets!!

[@jarradmaate7883]

Yeah there buggerd to brother!!

[@Ronny_Dahl]

They would be if not riveted correctly 🤪

[@jarradmaate7883]

Hahaha I guess so 😂 just through work I’ve seen alone of similar stuff aswell I bolt all my accessories now 😂

[@kermits42.]

@@Ronny_Dahl Rivets also held the Titanic together. We all know how that turned out.

[@garrybourke8813]

Hi Ronnie have you seen Tyler Thompson KZbin clip on his Rhino Rack disaster, would like to see your comments. Tyler's problem was with the Rhino Rack coming off his roof while on Fraser Island , he went on to say load ratings were different to those for on road use to off road. Please let me no your thoughts. Love the channel keep up the great videos. Cheers

[@Ronny_Dahl]

Maybe it wasn’t fitted correctly 🤷‍♂️ we used stainless rivets if anyone breaks stuff it’s me 🤣 time will tell

[@garrybourke8813]

Hopefully you're right looking great the Luxy😊

[@absoluteliving9762]

Looking good bro but check out Tyler Thompson page how the back bone system broke off cause the rivets are shit Not good off road apparently

[@eroffroad5438]

I disagree with security mesh style rack, I have a Tracklander on my 105 and i can throw a ratchet strap over a kayak, jiggle it a little, and it will hook on somewhere without getting on the roof or going to the other side, no hands in holes or underneath, easy!

[@eroffroad5438]

You can also hook on 100's of occy straps in 100's of combos if that's your thing.

[@chris-tq5ly]

Yeah I have one on my canopy and it’s great. I often carry ladders and planks through the week then camping stuff on the weekend so I can’t have silly specific mounts on there because it likely have to pull them off every time I need to put ladders back on 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@swompa]

Agreed. I had it on my custom rack and it was great for simply that.

[@zapantalambda]

Thanks for the new vid Ronny!

[@scottbmedic]

Excellent video and now you have a Norse wolf to go with your 8 legged horse

[@wanderingtundra6310]

I have a small solar panel that gets stuck on your hood to keep a charge on your start battery. Is that something you might want. Great video series. The Luxy really is turning into a little weapon. It will be nice to be able to have a choice on size of truck to use.

[@cameronwood1994]

I have just a pair of Strikers on my vehicle mounted on the front bumper, and they're so bright that in some occasions they're actually too bright. Sometimes the dust that hangs in the air on East African roads means that when I switch them on, I'm blinded by my own lights, although to be fair main beams can also do the same thing if the dust is extreme. I highly recommend them, especially after they were submerged overnight when I drove into a hole in Zambia and didn't let any moisture in!

[@derekeasterbrook6791]

Hey Ronnie, what is the racks off road load rating? It generally includes the weight of the rack and equipment and it factors in a safety aspect of about 30 percent less than the on road rating. The Rhino Rack website has a calculator to work it out.

[@matthiasstreu199]

I actually enjoy the ambient "bio noise" in your videos 😁. Quite exotic for my german ears

[@shanefraser1054]

I prefer the security mesh type rack because you don't have to think about where to strap things down on your roof because you don't have to locate the eyes where you need them. You can strap anything anywhere using mesh. Saying that i think the rhino rack system looks better and neater.

[@realaussiemale567]

Did you happen to see what happened to Tyler Thompson and the Rhino rack he had on his NP300?

[@krg3au]

Three roof rack videos within a week of each other. Two (Tim Bates & Tyler Thompson) not sponsored by Rhino, step through the load rating calculators and limits very objectively. One of them (Tyler) gets a very legalistic letter from Rhino telling him it his his fault his rack came off as he surpassed the off road rating with an off-road load that is less than what Ronny currently has. I feel for Ronny here, as he has released this content in good faith, trying to keep the manufacturer happy, and continuing this great series about the Hilux build. The key issue to me is not whether Ronny has inadvertently exceeded the off-road rating limit, but whether Rhino will allow their product to be promoted, via this video, if in fact the limit has been exceeded? If they’ve sponsored the content, is it false advertising?

[@morpheus2573]

Too right. Time to step up & do the right thing, Ronny. Your reputation is very much at stake here. The tribe has spoken. 👣

[@Ronny_Dahl]

Can I note that mine is still attached to the vehicle. How can I bang on about stuff that hasn’t happened to me? Your comments are ridiculous, IF it comes off and I don’t say anything sure your comment would then have merit. But as anyone knows IF something happens it’s shown. So back up the truck mate. Guilty before there are even charges 🤣🤣 It’s still on my Hilux and I have yet to have a problem with it. Cheers Ronny

[@krg3au]

@@Ronny_Dahl hi Ronny, thanks for the response. The issue to me is that you are an influencer and a role model, and IMO the video promotes the use of a product that exceeds both Toyota’s and Rhino’s safe specifications. People may follow your example, and overload their racks, which may cause injury or death. It isn’t about whether it has happened to you or not. If you were only going to make videos about what has happened to you, you wouldn’t have made videos about horribly unsafe recoveries and recovery straps breaking and killing people. I think there is enough feedback from many of your supporters (me included), to highlight that the portions of the video are causing concern.

[@malindasabaratnam]

@@krg3au well said mate.

[@rickySPANish_]

Loving the videos Ronny but when u start talking about litres per 100 I am baffled, would love it if you put the conversion to mpg as well as that makes sense to me in UK. PEace

[@malcolmlewis3239]

I know it is too late, but you should have considered a Supapeg awning. Australian made quality product and they will custom design the size you want for about the same price you paid for the overseas awning. Also, any time you need spare parts they have them.

[@metinhalil574]

Great setup Ronny. Well done mate 👍

[@billroach2393]

Ronny...dunno if you're interested, but I'll tell you anyway. After watching your video about the benefits of roof-mounted UHF antenna, I went ahead and mounted mine similar to yours. However, having to get out and put it down all the time when there is a low branch etc was becoming a pain in the arse.... Fortunately, I have a complete on-board air system that is always full (Endless Air compressor and 9kg LPG bottle as a tank). So, I've devised a modification to my fold-up antenna bracket... I've removed the spring loaded locking pin and have added a small bracket to the side of the base bracket. This then has a "johnny joint" attached and then a small air ram, controlled by a 5/2 air solenoid. The solenoid is, in turn, controlled by the same 12 volt feed that I use to turn the UHF on/off. So, when I see a low branch, carport, shopping carpark etc, I just flip the switch....it turns the radio off AND lowers the UHF antenna.

[@Ronny_Dahl]

Mate that is epic 😁 love it 👍

[@wombatone5577]

Yes the weight is a bit high but you won’t be putting extra fuel nor water containers up there like some suicidal drivers. The cost of the rack makes it a serious purchase. I really like the bull-bar, good fit! Cheers!

[@jasenanderson8534]

Great update. I went the Yakima rack with the very same platform configuration, but it was 800 big ones cheaper. Uses a short bar setup but they're rock solid. Not quite as nice to look at as the rhino, but the budget was so much better for essentially the same thing. A consideration that many might find appealing.

[@tonydawnwright346]

@Jasen Anderson how are the Yakima racks fixed to the roof (Pop rivets???) and are there backbone options.

[@jasenanderson8534]

@@tonydawnwright346 yep same as the rhino as per Ronny's video, there's a couple of roof inserts that are riveted, and then the are 4 supports that screw into that and covered with a lockable cover, and then short arms are attached to those which the flat platform sits on. Sits about the same height too as the rhino. You attach eyelets in the same way used to secure loads. It's a nice system and I can add on all manner of accessories if I want to, again, same as the rhino.

[@jasenanderson8534]

@@tonydawnwright346 Have a look at the website. Looks like you can get what is called the "rugged line" supports which are very similar to the rhino on Ronny's Luxxy. They didn't offer this when I bought mine, I'm kind of envious and might change over if I can. www.yakima.com.au/roof-racks/lockn-load-platform

[@jasonhowe1697]

whether you have a 5 door cruiser or 70 series ute to a hilux, you might want to consider a 6-8 point welded exoskeleton roll bar this will give you the most fitting space for storage i don't believe in using rain channel guides as a secure fixture..

[@lastknownlocation8760]

Interesting But, If you’d put a canopy on instead of a rack and that flat rear tub cover you would’ve saved a lot of money, weight and fuel. You could’ve had your maxtrax on either side to save climbing up and that would be a lot safer too. Also the weight would’ve been lower. But it mightn’t have looked as cool. And let’s face it, you are going for looks rather than function. Good work though. A couple of cross bars would’ve held your awning and lights.

[@jaedenhorner5028]

Hey mate love the videos been a great series so far, been doing research on 23 zero for ages and I believe there is a mob in Rockingham who sell and stock them. Core off road I believe.

[@kenmarapese9085]

Nice set up, worth every penny.

[@CrazySchooner]

I wonder how long before the roof rack falls off with that silly rivet installation. Do yourself a favor and bolt it down and put some reinforcement plates under the roof. Rhino Rack will not stand behind their products if it falls off.

[@k2svpete]

Given that he's got the same product on the 79, I'm pretty confident that he's got a handle on things.

[@justdowntheroad4218]

@@k2svpete 79 doesnt have the Backbone System

[@k2svpete]

@@justdowntheroad4218 you sure? I'll have to check back on a video with the 79.

[@justdowntheroad4218]

@@k2svpete 79 is gutter mount

[@gerryvillafane584]

Awesome video, very detailed information. 👌👍👍

[@rjl110919581]

thank you for detail video watch on how weight put on roof as overload safety on the roof rack

[@gregsb3454]

Thanks for the info on the shower tent, looks great. Looking forward to see what you do for hot water.

[@Au_Hussar]

Be nice to see you and Tyler Thompson collaborate and look into it and maybe show how to setup and use space efficiently to avoid overloading roof racks. A colabaraton between you both that would benefit us all.

[@aaronenglish3647]

Hey Ronny, is that 23zero awning the full sized 180 or the 180 Rear awning? Looking to throw one on my Tacoma.

[@Hxsanchez1]

He listed that it’s a 180r

[@katie-pie93]

I swear 23zero is an Australian company and named after part of the co-ordinates to alive Springs. We've had the 270 on our cruiser for about 9 months and absolutely love how quick yet sturdy it is 👌🏼 definitely recommend their products and am about to also buy the on-suit awning aswell 🙌🏻

[@MrLoridin]

They are :-) Based in Clayton South, Victoria.

[@AdventureN]

great episode as always.....my next rig will definitely have the backbone + pioneer platform. Made this the mistake of just bars for my current rig.

[@ryanharry8117]

Should also check your on road and off road load rating . You will be surprise how close you will be if not over for the off road rating.

[@rkirmizi]

I was waiting for that :) Greetings from Turkey.

[@oldbloke204]

I have this rack and am looking at the ladder that fits on to it. Having a lift and trying to put stuff on and take it off is a complete pia. You end up standing on sidesteps or wheels and struggling with everything. A ute would be easier if you can stand in the tray but if it is wet or muddy it would be very easy to slip off. Won't be going with the ladder mount as it is just more weight and wind resistance. The more you check into these things and their limitations the more that I think that they don't offer a lot in the way of functionality for the price in a lot of cases.

[@Jeep79]

Thx for sharing bro great owning

[@Tom-lf8hx]

Ive also got the same rack, thoes channel nuts (blk and silver) are soooo handy from

[@graemetowner7257]

nice video, but agree with comments below, only bit missed out was weight limits and that is the most important part. need to inform people of weight limitations, they are written on instruction install manuals....there seems to be a miss guided view (below and in Tylers content and no i don't work for rhinorack !) of Rhino rack that they can't take the weight, thats not the issue. Doesn't matter what make of rack you fit or how much weight they can hold, the starting point is the weight allowance for the vehicle, not the rack. Most vehicles are around the 100kg max dynamic allowance on sealed roads, that is your starting weight and work down from that, take a safety factor of x1.5 for off road, weight of rack etc and you are left with around 45-55kg. Before you spend $2k, ask the questions, or you may have an expensive accident like many that have had with racks falling off when off road ! Ronny, I'm not an expert on this, i just read the instructions and may have missed something, so if you have contacts/sponsors at RhinoRack, maybe they can do a follow up with you to inform people of this, before more racks fall off due to being overloaded !!

[@GCTO239]

Great vid. Will you include the bar work in your added weight list later? How much extra is it? Did you do a video on that as well?

[@cejulius21]

Yes. Good point mate. The bullbar added more weight to the ute, so... My question is.... When change the suspension...for example... A 2 inch kit with stronger suspension (ej. Nitrogas vs foam cell)...

[@Ronny_Dahl]

Bar work in a later video

[@GCTO239]

@@Ronny_Dahl cheers, mate! Looking forward to watching that video. Really like your channel. Regards from Germany. I have studied and lived in Australia for a year back in 2007/2008. The Land Cruiser Virus really got me because I drove a HZJ 78 on Fraser Island. Last year I bought a Land Cruiser GRJ 78 which will be our overlanding vehicle for years to come. Our troopy features some nice no-nonsense mods. I really love troopies. Great vehicles. Legend!

[@locutusofborg]

@@Ronny_Dahl When you do that video please mention what you did with the sensors from the original bumper. I want a bullbar but I also want to keep the sensors, especially the adaptive cruise control.

[@SuperBaconbutty]

Did you consider mounting the lights upside down? They’d look mint in the gap between the rack and the screen

[@Ronny_Dahl]

they wouldnt fit and it looked weird when we held them in front of the rack

[@Dave_hurley]

Need that awning so much, 23zero get it to AUS

[@jonniemela3661]

I thought the Roof Load Limit ( according to Toyota ) on a Hilux was only 75kg. This would mean You have already over loaded it. So if You stay within recomended load limits roof racks are pretty expensive way to carry a couple of items.

[@Ronny_Dahl]

If I remove two Maxtrax I’m all good by 2.5 kg. Toyota always over engineer stuff so being over by 5kg I’m sure won’t hurt. Engineers never tell you the absolute limit

[@2157AF]

@@Ronny_Dahl - ahh problem solved :), and Hiluxes are unbreakable.

[@volvogt21]

What is the dynamic load rating of the roof? I thunk you are way over without anything on the rack. Insurance may be an issue after a roll over

[@rossrhodes1963]

Mistakes happen. I know quite a few people who have been around the traps for a long time. And have never known about the reduced weights when off-road. I found out when buying heavy duty bars for work. When I got the bars out they stated on the sticker. 80kg on road 50 kg off-road followed by check vehicles roof load limits before fitment of this product. Turns out manufacturers do indeed state safe load limits for off-road driving as well on road. I now use a front runner rack system it also clearly states safe load limits. For off-road use. So just chill people till Ronnie gets back to us what he learns. He has never been one to shy away from telling the hard truth be it when he’s right or when he’s wrong. Mistakes happen. How many of you out there can say truthfully that if your vehicle was to be thoroughly inspected tomorrow all those suspension lifts ,large tyres and mods would pass. All the west aussies on here who have lifted there vehicles above 50mm as measured at roof height are all running unroadworthy cars unless it’s been pit inspected and signed off by an engineer. Just because you can buy it or have it installed doesn’t mean it’s legal or safe to use.

[@morpheus2573]

Fair play to you, Ross. Yes, mistakes happen. But so far, Ronny hasn’t admitted to making one. So far his initial response has been, ‘Tyler must’ve installed it incorrectly, there’s nothing wrong with pop rivets for this purpose because they use them in spaceships, it’s OK to overload your racks & under engineer your load until an accident occurs, & a bunch of other ill-conceived, irresponsible rubbish. As to your assumption that everyone runs illegal mods... don’t judge everyone by your own low standards. We’re not all cowboy yahoo’s out here. A lot of folks go to a lot of effort & expense to do the research & colour between the lines out of respect for the safety & wellbeing of others. Hopefully Ronny will go away, do his research & come back with a safer, less sponsorship-aware approach for others to learn from. Let’s see. 🤞

[@rossrhodes1963]

@@morpheus2573 i made my statement after Ronnie had admitted that he needs to look into this more. And that he hadn't read all of Tyler's intial statement properly. And that he had spoken to Tyler about the issue. I was asking a question of people if really looked at their vehicle would it pass a proper inspection. I know alot of people do loads of research into modifying their vehicles and getting them inspected and passed. I know people who just go ahead and put what they want on or remove things that shouldn't be removed. My vehicle has been over the puts twice now. And since getting rid of the tub and changing to a full canopy setup now requires another pit inspection. For registration and insurance. Why is what I said low standards anyway.

[@vincentpoole7588]

RR. We've all come to expect this type of content from "FourWheeling Australia" ! It's such a shame that after nearly an entire decade of YT Channel uploads, the public comments section of this video has gone totally crazy and entertaining ? I'm trying not to refer to the individual as he's started a separate YT Channel to discuss negative sides of social media, but I suspect this just had to happen. V

[@elitesuppswagga6782]

Once again Legendary vid 👌 I have the same vehicle so these vids are so helpful Looking forward to hearing about the suspension as I want to do a lift on mine but so much info out there will be good to hear your opinion Chu

[@MrMegafly2011]

Looks good but I think the maxies could be mounted different to save mor space. I think they’ll get in the way.

[@MrMegafly2011]

In the rain your load lid needs to be closed through?

[@h_alexfernandez7359]

Hey Ronny, let me say your suggestions are really accurate, I am planning to get a Hilux soon, this footage is really helpful as I was driving a GU Patrol with the largest rhino rack and yes getting on the roof everything single time it's so painful, so Ronney what do you reckon Tyre wise, once a 2" lift kit has been installed? , cheers , keep up the good job !

[@Perth4WDandCamping]

It’s really come together Ronny 👍 Some good advice on roof storage. I have the simple set up of roof racks and an awning, but have a Rhino Rack steel platform which is temporary. It’s used only a small amount of time so I’ve found it’s a great option if regularly carry items on the roof is not something you do often. Saves on fuel and cuts down noise when not in use. Really enjoying your videos!

[@ripper9941]

Wicked video ! As always very helpful and great insight... One question where is the black plate from that holds the base of the maxtrax from?

[@Ronny_Dahl]

Just a DIY flat bar

[@garageblitztv3215]

Platform Roof-rack: The other benefit is that when they are not loaded you don’t get that horrible wind harmonic or wind vibration though the roof... I found out the hard way with “mesh” baskets etc The sound is very very annoying at speed.

[@mattyolo]

You know a bloke is good to have in a convoy when he’s only got 4 wheels but 6 maxtrax 😂

[@simmo6035]

He did say he tows a lot

[@bangtran8684]

Hello Ronny I’m Bang I’m a Fan of your KZbin I’m impressive of 23Zero awning. Could you please let me know when did you buy it. I would like to have one. Thank you very much Bang T

[@andrewa3142]

Coming along nicely 🤙🤙

[@lukekarwath4367]

Hi Ronny. Love the videos, where can I purchase this awning in Australia? I see they have it on their American website but it seems to be not working?

[@SuperNic11]

mate love your video where did you buy the awning from

[@omeba600]

Interesting video. I have the Yakima flat rack or tradie rack. Similar systems just has the bars running across not length ways. And they are half the cost of Rhino. I know the tracks are the same as the ‘track bolts’ are the same. Just wondering if you looked at the difference with the bar ‘direction’ and if that was part of the discussion as to go with the Rhino version?? I love the flat rack and as you said its a game of Tetris to get stuff where you want it. I have solar up permanently with a 30second awning. When touring the swags go up over the solar and the DC/DC charger does the work whilst driving