Fixing Hoenn's Elite 4

[@RoryTheFiend]

😄Thank you all for watching! 😅 One correction: I should've replaced Skarmory's whirlwind with Roar, little oversight on my end but basically whirlwind is impossible on it's moveset but roar would be fine. 🎮I'm thinking of actually making some videos on slightly different pokemon topics, since this series has given me a bit of burn out (no hate I love this series, it's just a lot of work writing 10k word scripts and editing a 40-60 minute video then rinse repeat) 👍So I hope when my next videos come out they manage to interest you all how this series has done :--)😄🎮👍

[@williamjohnson9054]

I would like to see the alolan elite four and rivals videos for this series and maybe the Sinnoh rival and other trainers just like how you approached diantha in the kalos elite 4 videos

[@tomnorton4277]

You should have given Phoebe Ninjask and Shedinja. Ninjask isn't a Ghost but it can learn Physical Shadow Ball in this generation and Shedinja's Wonder Guard could confuse and frustrate inexperienced players.

[@kennethaninon6913]

Whirlwind & Roar has the same effect, so Skarmory keeps Whirlwind

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

I hate when they make type specialists in regions without pokemon of that type. It's even worse when they DON'T USE THE POKEMON THAT ARE AVAILABLE. Thanks for improving their team.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah I mean people rag on Flint from Sinnoh (and rightly so) but all four of Hoenn's Elite 4 are pretty bad for this, especially Phoebe and Glacia. Which made it way harder to branch out, and really change up their team. As I said in the video it just makes me question the Devs on this, making Glacia's team they must've thought "hmm maybe we should import an extra ice type or 2 from Kanto/Johto" Anyway thank you for watching, gen 3 is great fun to work with for theorycrafting!

[@ReventonSpeed]

Looking at you Johto, only 2 fully evolved dragons so we better have 2 dragon specialists 🤪

[@Spaget99]

If only they would make ice and dragon the first or second gyms for once

[@johnnyknadler1157]

@@ReventonSpeedAnd then they don’t update their teams to make it more diverse in HGSS!

[@drooprtroopr6969]

This isn't even the region talked about in this video, but Sinnoh is a good example. There are 5 type specialists not in Sinnoh that Flint could be instead of Fire (Normal, Dark, Flying, Poison, and Dragon) yet they decide to make a Fire specialist without adding sufficient Fire types.

[@kayoh9364]

Lost held items STAY LOST in gen 3. In other words, if your Latios gets its one-of-a-kind Soul Dew Theifed off, Phoebe just screwed you for THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Punished for using a legendary in the elite 4

[@potatoman2580]

@@RoryTheFiendbased af

[@BigOrangeSnowman88]

soft reset that thang

[@CaptainObliviousV]

@@RoryTheFiendbased as hell, but I’d feel bad for the poor kid who did just that without knowing the consequences😅😂

[@Murphdog405]

Can't have shit in Hoenn

[@acekingbones]

If we’re allowing Glacia to have Starmie, then why not give Mt. Pyre residents Ninetales or Chimecho to Phoebe?

[@RoryTheFiend]

I think I got too focused on pure ghost types with Phoebe, I wouldn't be opposed to replacing a banette with a ninetales anyway, it always gave the vibe of ghost or even psychic to me

[@Jaylenhawk]

Honestly I would’ve been fine with this. I think Ninetails would fit pretty well with her overall creepy ghost vibe

[@mikerolfe1842]

Very nice, agreed

[@TheBlackSerpentBeta]

Woulda personally swapped out one of the Banettes for a Ninetales, as its from Mt Pyre and matches with a spiritual theme for ghosts

[@RoryTheFiend]

That's a good shout!! Definitely makes sense with her ties to Mt. Pyre

[@RicoChicoMalico]

@@TheBlackSerpentBeta Love this idea!

[@KraylebStudios]

Ninetales makes so much sense as a Ghost type

[@AlexBelte3002]

Agreed. I had the Idea for Agatha back in the days, and it definitely would work with Phoebe too!

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

​@@RoryTheFiend Perhaps in a Post Game new team in the far distance future.

[@NaughtWalter]

The Shedinja take has already been addressed, but what I think is a bigger missed opportunity is that Steven doesn't have Sandstorm on any of his Pokemon at all (aside from the BW2 PWT), considering his entire team is immune to it and weather is such a big part of Hoenn. It would have worked nice on Cradily as another way to provide passive chip damage. Maybe if it was a hypothetical insanity mode he could lead with advanced Tyranitar

[@AlexBelte3002]

I thought the same, but i even thought about giving him a Cacturne, so that under the sandstorm, he could be pain in the ... with the Sand Veil ability.

[@ConcaCon]

I think I'd turn Cradily into a stalling machine holding Leftovers or Lax Incense, with Sandstorm, Ingrain (if Leftovers)/Toxic (if Lax Incense), Giga Drain and Ancient Power. It'd be utterly annoying to deal with.

[@TheWizardMus]

That still has the same PP problem, even if we give Steven PP Maxes on the 5 PP moves, he only has 16 attacks for a stall pokemon. Sandstorm does help set up chip damage but doesn't fix the fact that Cradily can't stall without running out of moves. Solarbeam is a weird choice, I would have gone for something like Rest to force it to sleep through turns and make the opponent run out of PP instead

[@ConcaCon]

@@TheWizardMus Let's say we substitute Ingrain for Secret Power instead. In a cave, this turns into a 70 BSP attack with flinching chance, with 20 PP. Would that be better? I mean, Cradily's Gen III learnset is basura. Other than inserting stuff like Sludge Bomb or Body Slam, I don't really see an alternative.

[@ohgeeshcaro]

phoebe not having a shedninja was such a waste of a great mon for her

[@RoryTheFiend]

I can definitely respect if people give Phoebe a Shedinja, but I think I know why the devs didn't want her to have a pokemon thats immune to most attacks. Even in a hard mode, its not a skill check it's a "I hope you have a way to actually hurt this" check but you have no way to know before hand if its your first playthrough

[@matthewroberts198]

​@@RoryTheFiend6:49 it does match with her quote "just try and see if you can even inflict damage on my Pokemon!"

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

​@@matthewroberts198 In the post game, definitely. But it would have been hilarious in the rematch.

[@mikerolfe1842]

@@RoryTheFiend In mean, if in 6 times 4 = 24 possible moves your team can have you don't have a single Rock, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Dark, etc move, or even entry hazards, then your team maybe doesn't deserve to be crowned "champion".

[@vaclavkaras3210]

Since you already gave Gorebyss to Juan I think you should have given Wallace Huntail instead for more variety even tho Gorebyss makes more sense for both of them because of its beauty. Great vid!

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah I can see that working! there's always a lot of valid answers to these teams and I would not see anything weird about him using a huntail Also thank you!

[@Kivamusicchannel]

When I was making my romhack I gave Juan both Gorebyss and Huntail as a double battle.

[@ladyakkyn]

Emerald's the definitive version, but improving both Water specialists while RS Steven just rots is upsetting. Maybe in the future, you could do also unique trainers from the "nom-definitive" versions, like Elite Four Hala from Sun and Moon.

[@RoryTheFiend]

That's true, but it'd be weird to cover Steven then Steven again lol But definitely a shout to look into the earlier version trainers (and often times gym leaders use different Pokémon and teams as well)

[@kennethaninon6913]

Regarding Shiftry, I'd give it Faint Attack, Extrasensory, Sunny Day & Solarbeam, since sunlight also triggers Shiftry's Chlorophyll

[@RoryTheFiend]

that's a great suggestion! a reason why I didn't do that is I didn't want to weaken the water / dark type on his team as there was no way I was going to pass up on both crawdaunt and sharpedo.

[@kennethaninon6913]

@@RoryTheFiend thanks, since only a few Emerald players often use the Chlorophyll+Sunny Day+Solarbeam combo, I was thinking of having that combo, since it also helps with Shiftry's Extrasensory's flinch chances

[@kennethaninon6913]

@@RoryTheFiend you're right about that, though you could've given Sharpedo Rain Dance to cancel sunlight after Shiftry was taken out

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

If only three of the other Hoenn Elite Four members appeared in the anime. I like to imagine Brock flirting with both Phoebe and Glacia before being dragged away by Max. 😂

[@RoryTheFiend]

Brock was a menace in the anime lol

[@HiyokoSupiritto]

I find it weird that Drake was the only one to appear

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

​@@RoryTheFiend There'll never ever be another character in the entirety of the Pokémon anime like Brock. I hope the writers give him a girlfriend. 🤣

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

​@@HiyokoSupiritto Me too. The other three could have been good for Ash, Brock, May, and Max to learn/develop from. And be good fan service.

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@UnwantedGhost1-anz25 Brock never got a girlfriend in the end? lol poor guy

[@egg1899]

I know it's long ways away, but I really can't wait for fixing gen 8's gym leaders/champion.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Hoo boy gen 8, basically easy until Leon who has an actual level spike and put up some form of fight (I avoided a lot of grinding and still the game was that level of difficulty)

[@egg1899]

​@@RoryTheFiend The "Undefeatable Champion" having two of his three teams have massive holes (Dark for Inteleon and Ice for Rillaboom) will never stop being funny to me.

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@egg1899 Leon when I set up stealth rock turn one since he won't shut up about his unbeatable charizard: 😱

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

​@@egg1899Should just go with his anime team (though replace Mr Rime with Aegislash)

[@shovanrahman1111]

Great video! I think every one of these Hoenn Elite 4 Members should have a Pokemon on their team that doesn't necessarily have to match their typings per se, but rather just either semi or fully match the theme and vibe that they each all have, or pretty much just being a counter or hard wall, depending on the kind of pokemon is used for them against the player's stronger options. For example, for Sidney, you could give him a Crobat, as it does fit his overall dark, in the sense that it is just rough and evil/devious-looking like pretty much the rest of his team. On top of that, it's typing of Poison and Flying, as well as its good enough Attack Stat of 90 and Excellent speed of 130 counters Fighting types and even Bug types that the player may have to use against his team lineup.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah I'm always down for some Pokémon that don't match the type but match the vibe! Crobat is a good choice for Sydney, he has that sinister vibe working pretty nicely for him

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

Nah Sydney actually has enough Pokemon to fill a team

[@ivanbluecool]

Castform definitely needed more love. Would have been great for flannery too for sunny day set up

[@RoryTheFiend]

Castform, while admittedly is mid, has a fun gimmick that would be nice to see crop up a bit more often (I mean, a random trainer used one near fortree but that's it I think). (Also it's definitely a cooler option over a second sealeo lol

[@ivanbluecool]

@@RoryTheFiend that and give it an evolution for bigger stats. Could have been gen 3 rotom with special shifting types.

[@RoryTheFiend]

​@@ivanbluecool Oh yeah totally, give it a sandstorm form and boost depending on what form its in, say +80 to make it a 500 bst total or + 100 A great idea, just needs some more buffs and it could be a really fun team member

[@yokaipinata1416]

​@RoryTheFiend The lack of a Sand form has always bothered me. I forgot where but I once saw a concept for buffing Castform in which their stats changed depending on the form. Since Rock is physical, in such a concept, a sand form would have easily stood out by having a high Attack stat. ❤

[@samuelebertinazzi4468]

Strange how Glacia's overworld sprite has a red dress,but in battle has a purple one,and she is holding a yellow pokeball like Wikstrom,do they have a relationship?

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah I noticed her yellow pokeball as well, I'd assume it's just some weird custom ball she has that isn't explained Since glacias overworld sprite is red maybe it had to do with a possible early design of her but got changed due to red being better suited for a fire type user? I mean I'm just purely guessing of course tho

[@robertlupa8273]

And Juan is just an edit of Steven that does not resemblr his battle sprite at all.

[@grubbyguillotine]

sealeo being sad at your roast broke my heart 😂

[@RoryTheFiend]

I'm sorry sealeo :--( You're not a bad Pokémon, glacia is the bad one for making you fight the strongest trainers in the land and not letting you evolve

[@kayoh9364]

With you mentioning Metagross's low speed I was kinda expecting you to go for an Agility set, but it's solid either way. Good vid.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Agility set is something I considered, but 4 attacks metagross to spam attacks to keep the pressure up is very nice in game

[@thatboycroi]

Another banger i love what you did with the elite four this time

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thank you Nico, glad you enjoyed this!

[@evawhite1144]

Oh, I adore your fixing gym leaders and E4 videos. Love seeing how you turn these trainers competent. Like, they're actually a challenge with improved moves, held items, and extra levels. I do admit these guys really don't have many options for their types, especially Phoebe and Glacia (still laughed at the epic Sealeo roast). Always liked Sydney's team because he doesn't have any repeated pokemon, but he's always been a pushover because of their low levels, and his ai likes spamming stuff like double team and sand attack, rather than actually attacking. Absol is also too frail to survive a hit from a Blaziken or a Breloom. Also liked how you made both Glacia and Drake double battles, giving Glacia a Starmie, which is cool. Also, absolutely hilarious how while showing the fixed version of Wallace's team, before showing Gorebyss, it was a Luvdisc Shadow at lvl 100, lmao. Laughed so hard at that, I woke up my cat. Or the jab at the moveset of Steven's Aggron: "special only Aggron except for Earthquake but don't worry about it." Like yeah, the only reason it has solar beam and Thunder is just because the programmers? Thought they were cool tms, and a champion should have a varied moveset after all. Especially a "secret boss" one like Steven. Anyways, another great video, and can't wait to see you do Sinnoh. Hope you rest well for now, I can understand how exhausting making these long videos can be.

[@RoryTheFiend]

I really appreciate this comment so thank you :--) Also sorry for this following comment response wall, but I can't HELP IT when somebody leaves a thoughtful friendly comment. Yeah most people know Glacia and Phoebe lack options for their type, but yeah even Sydney struggles. The only other options are Sharpedo which I used, and Sableye (but Phoebe absolutely NEEDS that guy lol) so really even with him i basically had to work with his pre existing team, flawed as the dark types may be in hoenn. For the sealeo roast sometimes when I'm script writing I just decide as im typing "you know what, let's just roast this mon more than usual" poor fella it's not their fault at least, for a mid evo they definitely aren't weak lol. Yeah originaly I was only going to make drake a double battle, but due to the subscribers voting in my community post I wanted to make sure their opinion mattered. Shadow Luvdisc at level 100 lool, yeah I mean hey that'd probably make it so it can have a fighting chance (also you should go back to that part and see if you notice anything as the shadow luvdisc turns into the gorebyss, right as the image changes for a few frames there's a little secret) I'm glad you liked that aggron bit, I imagine it was like a youtuber steven stone uploading his aggron challenge run. I was going to call his channel The Stone Zone, but that channel already exists so I didn't want to kinda impose on that. Anyway thank you for your comment I'm glad you enjoyed it, definitely will return to this series before too long, and in the mean time I hope I can make pokemon videos on other topics that strike my viewers fancy!

[@robertlupa8273]

btw Steven's movesets are mostly identical between his champ fight in Ruby/Sapphire and his secret battle in Emerald, with the exception of Cradily swapping Sludge Bomb for Ingrain and Metagross swapping Hyper Beam for Shadow Ball.

[@traffo11]

Your videos about changing the teams are always the best ones

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thank you that means a lot :-)

[@darkraiknight386]

You know, if you're going to give Glacia a Starmie, I'd argue that it'd be appropriate to give Phoebe a Ninetales. Vulpix is found on Mt. Pyre, and it's a very spiritual/mystical Pokemon. (Plus, Emerald Legacy does it, too.)

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah I think that's fair, Ninetales has always had that sort of mystisicm about it that extends beyond its pure fire typing

[@animesjogoseseriesclassica8282]

I honestly beat them all in Ruby first try with only a LV55 Swampert. I pretty much only used Surf and Ice Beam the entire time and somehow it worked.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Surf and ice beam are very reliable, did you have earthquake as well maybe? For glacias walrein especially

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

Another new team remake video by the one and only. That's a major W

[@765craven4]

One of the things I find super interesting about Gen 3 is how Thief and Knock Off work with Held Items. Your lost items are gone forever (which sucks) but you also get to keep any you steal. This is relevant for multiple reasons, of course, but one of the big ones I've noticed is that many Rom Hacks make it so that your items are protected so you can't lose them. The way it's done unfortunately makes it so also don't get to keep any held items you steal, even from Wilds. So no Nugget farming from Rich Boys and Ladies, and no getting Held Items like Black Belt that have to be stolen to obtain.

[@NotRick95]

Always enjoy these videos you do a great job. I hope you enjoy the break from them for a while but looking forward to more in the future if you do 👍

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thank you NotRick! I appreciate the kind words, I'll return to this series before too long I'm sure, in the mean time I'll be dabbling in other pokemon topics that I hope will interest people

[@XxbelligerentxX]

I like that you included starmie on Glacia’s team. It looks right to me and I like when a type specialist, especially at the elite four, uses a Pokémon outside that specialty. I feel like, even though it’s frail, Chimecho would have been a neat addition to Phoebe’s team considering it’s a rare find on top of mt pyre. I like the addition of shedinja on her team but I totally understand not including it.

[@bunnikol]

i love your version of these vids🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥the teams are cool while staying true to the games always a banger

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thank you!🔥Glad you enjoyed it!

[@thiagogarciadesouza5124]

I still put Shedinja in Phoebe's team

[@RoryTheFiend]

I was originally considering it but I can understand why the devs didn't want to give her one, and I felt the same. But ya I still think it's valid for anyone to give Phoebe a Shedinja

[@nobodyimportant4778]

Replacing steven with wallace was a damn crime

[@danielvilasboas6365]

The roar move is to stop the player from seting up.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Good thing I kept it when remaking Sydney's team It's just with intimidate and sand attack roar felt a little weird because we can't trust the ai to know when to use it lol

[@mint0012]

Ideally, Phoebe and Glacia would be Poison and Grass specialists from the start because those types have much more mons to use

[@nazeersadek6705]

This video was well worth the wait!! Solid changes across the board the only thing I’d change is replace Wiscash with Swampert since it’s a much better Pokémon

[@nazeersadek6705]

Also yes take a much needed break we don’t want you to suffer from burn out

[@RoryTheFiend]

I totally respect if people gave him swampert over Whiscash, the only reason I didn't is because it's a starter and no other boss trainer uses a starter. Which doesn't need to be a reason to deny Wallace a Swampert but it is what made me not want him to have one.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thank you, I love this series, and I'll be making some other pokemon content, so I'm hoping it still interests my subscribers. Maybe a challenge run at some point, theorycrafting a different aspect of pokemon, so on and so forth.

[@nazeersadek6705]

@@RoryTheFiend I’ll be looking forward to whatever you cook for us

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@nazeersadek6705 Thank you, I always appreciate your supportive comments

[@AlexBelte3002]

As always, an impressive work ! Even though this time, i'm not totally in fond of the choices, BUT your arguments were pretty solid so... I've just one thing to suggest : like i said on your "who should be a double battle ?" pole : you missed an opportunity to give Glacia a pokemon with the Thick Fat ability ! I proposed Hariyama, but you could also choose... Grumpig. Psychic type like Slowbro and Starmie, Thick Fat ability like the Walrein line, and "lives in mountains" so it could definitely work ! (And i know that you like Grumpig !!) I'll not tell all the ideas i've had for them, it would be too long 😅 but i found it very interesting watching this one especially since you think that the teams by themselves were already pretty decent.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thank you! And hey that's fair you've got your differences to me, with how multifaceted team building is, it's inevitable I think with the thick fat Pokémon for glacia, while I can see the theming reasoning behind it, I do think it's a bit too far removed for her team. Though I appreciate the outside the box thinking, I know if I added in a thick fat Mon to her team as well I'd get a sea of comments about it lol Anyway yeah I think their teams were pretty decent, I mean considering how limited they were in Pokémon to choose, it's basically use these mons or bust, and the movesets had some potential, at the very least, it's better than what we usually see! In that sense theory crafting for them was tough because I was trying to make sure I changed them enough and not feel like it's just same team with held items now

[@CalebTA88]

rip steven stone found dead in utah cave

[@TheAlox9]

How interesting I never realized that there were so little Ice types in Hoenn

[@CaptainObliviousV]

Honestly never understood why in gens 3 & 4 they could never throw a few more lines into the base release regional Dexes to make sure each specialist gets at least 4 before repeating (hell, they intentionally scuffed the Dex in DP). Like, add Misdreavus to Mt Pyre’s summit and add Shelder to the dive portion of the ocean routes. More variety and helps slightly alleviate the Dexit problem they were going through with the transition to the GBA hardware.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah It's very confusing to me, maybe there's a super deep reason I'm not seeing but I kinda doubt htat

[@Zyyk0]

Well made video and good takes imo. Looking forward to watch more :) Great music choices aswell. & D-D-D-D-DUELL

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thank you, and I'm glad you liked the music choices, I have to thank gen 3 for having great themes, while editing this video I was happier than usual with the music for it so ya gen 3 is awesome That you gi oh bit lool I always apologise after editing in a stupid little thing like that

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

This is on the day after my 26th birthday. It definitely would have been a good present. But it's still a gift worth appreciating. I hope you enjoy your well earned vacation. 👍

[@mikerolfe1842]

Happy birthday, my man

[@GlacierMoonDragon]

For Wallace, would probably replace Wishcash for Swampert. Flint has Infernape. And Lance has Charizard.

[@NV_Penta]

And Gardenia has the Turtwig line

[@RoryTheFiend]

I hear you, I was just weirdly against it since no other boss trainer uses a starter mon in this game (or trainer i believe but maybe im wrong)

[@linksora7120]

Why not take Sidney’s shiftry up to what shiftry should be doing? Chlorophyll. Sunny day. Solarbeam. Faint attack. Brick break. Shiftry comes in, gets sunny day up move 1, then has free solarbeam spam and double speed and brick break gives further coverage with faint attack for anything resisting that deadly solarbeam. Shiftry is my favourite Pokémon so it just feels right to make the most of it Edit: HUGE MISTAKE ON ABSOL! SHADOW BALL OVER HYPER BEAM. Why? It hits the SAME TYPES AS DARK DOES BUT IS PHYSICAL IN GEN 3, so it’s basically stab for absol without being stab Edit 2: dusclops you’re talking about in a modern sense, it WAS a solid bulky Pokémon in gen 3 because of its solid defences and its low hp was helped Edit 3: double team confuse ray or will o wisp on sableye, because it has such low stats it really has to dip into that status movepool to do anything and giving it brick break is pointless. Knock off was 20 power in gen 3, so a terrible move choice. Phoebe at least had double team but why not will o wisp disable or confuse ray with that? Edit 4: I think shedinja should still have been on Phoebe team. Sableye is basically an easy to kill Pokémon similar but shedinja would teach the player type coverage and by the end you should have that. It gets a lot of solid status moves and as shown in the battle frontiers it can be a brick wall when used carefully and with Phoebe using a team all about status and weakening opponents slowly, shedinja would make for a big surprise at the end. Every Pokémon in gen 3 learns toxic so you would never be locked out of the game unless you didn’t have that tm and you had no Pokémon with coverage left Edit 5: salamence with hyper beam… why? His salamence is actually stronger than your idea. It has solid attacking coverage already and uses its great attack AND special attack. If you’re going dragon dance then just go for aireal ace (so they can’t protect freely on your fly turns), dragon dance, earthquake and then dragon claw to hit neutral the rest. But you don’t need that set up because salamence with flamethrower earthquake dragon claw and aireal ace/fly hits fine. Altaria meanwhile can use dragon dance earthquake dragon claw and aireal ace as the big set up sweeper with its better bulk. OR why not wish? salamence wish works wonders for making it a bulky powerful attacker, it gets so many better options than the awful hyper beam. Literally the only Pokémon you WANT hyper beam on in gen 3 is slaking since truant makes it skip its next turn anyway mitigating that huge drawback Edit 6: tentacruel’s movepool was PERFECT! Yes, you could heal status but that’s if you are using items and not doing a challenge nuzlocke where you aren’t allowing items, because that’s where nuzlockes show how powerful this tentacruel set is. I get your set it makes sense but rain dance is better on ludicolo than tentacruel personally since he immediately benefits Edit 7: whiscash with no water stab? That’s another huge missed opportunity especially since you GAVE IT RAIN DANCE, what’s the point in the rain dance on it if you aren’t giving it a water move. It should have surf earthquake rock slide and rain dance if you’re doing a rain dance set. I get the 1 hit ko gimmick with glacia was good but walrein is bulkier to have more turns to use that while whiscash would benefit more from boosting its damage up best you can (it also gets dragon dance if you wanted something different and unexpected) Edit 8: why solarbeam on cradily WITHOUT SUNNY DAY? Honestly just go sludge bomb with giga drain and ancientpower pp maxed onto 8 used and have ingrain or confuse ray to keep it alive. Solarbeam is just too slow and easy to exploit

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

In the post game Pokémon League rematch, all Elite Four members should get a six party full team with the best competitive EVs/IVs. I'd give Cindy either a Houndoom or Zangoose. He has the normal type Pokémon in the adventures manga. For Phoebe, a Shedinja, Misdreavius, and Gengar two is replacing the extra Banette & Dusclop. With Glacia, she gets a Lapras & Cloyster, either of them replaces her extra Glalie. Reason why I skipped Sneasle is because that Pokémon too frail for the endgame levels. If only Weavile was possible to have in Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald. Finally, for Drake, I give him a Dragonite to brag & boast the strongest Hoenn Elite Four. To replace his Shelgon with Sceptile, because it's dragon like. With no grass type gym leader in the tropical region. The final evolution first starter should have a dragon type move. As for the two regional champion, have his Whiscash replaced by a Swampert. He has one in the anime when briefly battling Ash in Journeys. Nothing for Steven, his team is honestly perfect. And that's my own version of the very last team remake in Generation 3.

[@hyperfairy7779]

intresting to see the addition of double battles, when i theorycrafted my own pokemon region, i made the elete 4 mebers each use a diffrent style of battle, Double, Triple, Rotation, Inverse and the champion was your standard single battle

[@RoryTheFiend]

That's a really interesting approach to be honest, definitely something I'd be down for actually happening in a real pokemon game in the future

[@hyperfairy7779]

@@RoryTheFiend thank you, I wanted to test ALL the trainers 's battling skills not just one format,

[@mabs6253]

I also pronounced Facade, "Fa-keyd" back then 😅

[@RoryTheFiend]

Something about Facade really trips up kids playing I swear

[@walder69]

giving sidney no ttar lead feels like a missed opportunity tbh. it's the king of gen 3 ou and has great synergy with cacturnes sandvail. sub seed would be rly good (and evil -> he is the dark type e4)

[@RoryTheFiend]

Ttar for Sydney would be sick, but it's not available in Hoenn unfortunately, most of the e4s Pokémon types are very limited in Hoenn for some reason

[@DanCrump7110]

You couldn't even get Tyranitar in the gen 3 games 🤣🤣 king of gen 2 perhaps

[@glitchedoom]

The amount of people who think Phoebe should have a Shedinja makes me glad that not everyone can become a game designer.

[@mjm3091]

1:50 Big issue I have with that Roar on Mightyena is that, Cacturne is a Spike setter in this generation and also gets Evasion buff from Sandstorm. So Sidney easily could have activated Sandstorm, some spikes and then use something like Needle Arm to utilise Cacturne as opening Pokémon. Even better, if you allow some Pokémon from different gens, so you could give him Tyranitar as the actual first Pokemon to help Cacturne survive longer. 5:20 I don't like the push out for Crawdaunt. Especially when Sharpedo is usually a signature Pokémon for Team Aqua in this generation. Even as a gimmick for like Guillotine and Crabhammer it would be nice to have. Sydney at least had Pokémon to pick... But, if we were to choose something that isn't Dark type that could rejuvenate that team - I feel like Huntail is a great Pokémon when it comes to getting some Dark coverage and kinda looks like honorary Dark type. Especially as Gorebyss gets all those Psychic moves. Mawile probably would also fit with its moveset and it would ok stand-in for Sableye that we have to "waste" on Phoebe. 11:40 Ah yes, Phoebe. I genuinely feel they should have made one of the fish Ghost type. I personally would give her all available Ghost types and either Chimecho or Ninjask. First is very aligned with the Ghosts and Ninjask would explain why she has Shedinja. Btw. with how no one uses Misdreavus in previous generations - they really missed opportunity to give Phoebe one and put it in Safari Zone. It's similar energy as Skarmory, where some kids would totally think it's gen 3 Pokémon, if they used it here. 18:00 I wouldn't go for the non Hoenn Pokémon tbh. Especially as if you are doing that - you could also just decide to expand the Hoenn dex and give Glacia some older Ice types, Jynx, Cloyster and Lapras would totally fit her and you could utilise less used Delibird and Sneasel as the weaker opening mons. From Hoenn Dex - Castform is the obvious choice. Gardevoir would fit her vibe, if Wally didn't have one. Gorebyss plays similar theme to Starmie. Delcatty, Roselia and Grumpig could play into the classy woman theme and then two of them get Ice moves from TMs and Tutors. Also I feel like lack of Ice types could justify using Regice. And she looks rich and old enough to get one as like family heirloom.

[@Gemini090693]

I personally would give Drake's Shelgon Rain Dance in place of Protect , just to activate Kingdra Swift Swim. A +1 Evasion, +2 Speed single weakness Pokemon is worth of a slot for leader of the E4. Forced the player to be a bit more creative while dealing with this battle. Salamence can also have Hydro Pump to combat with Rock type, capitalizing on the rain.

[@atomicpunk2360]

Tbh I think Elite Four members should be allowed to use National Dex Pokémon, even thought it would be before the player character can have access to these mons

[@robertlupa8273]

In ORAS that definitely could've been the case, since you can catch non-Hoenn Pokemon as soon as you catch/defeat the primal box legend.

[@5minprod]

Give Glacia the Dakim AI from Coliseum, he can protect when earthquakes or explosions are going off

[@kristopherwillis8075]

0:08 that's nostalgic 😂

[@RoryTheFiend]

I saw it everwhere as a kid lol, I tell you the REAL CRIME is all those movie subscription based services squeezing everyone dry!

[@theburgerking1236]

Really like phoebes team. I would however replace a bahnet with a gengar but it makes sense to have their main team be all monsters from the gen

[@SweaterPuppys]

I really like your idea for a reworked glacia fight I actually think it makes perfect sense from a game design perspective especially in a hypothetical hard mode for trainers with a specialized type to have pokemon outside of that type to prevent the player from just clicking the super effective move and winning Hot take I like the base diamond and pearl flint battle more because you can’t just use surf and win

[@pyro2631]

Why not give Phoebe shedinja?

[@hessiankyojin]

Aggron’s moveset is like that to counter the box legendaries, which won’t work well due to its Sp. Atk, but just a thought.

[@KraylebStudios]

The fact that theres a Ghost and Ice specialist in Hoenn but not a Grass specialist which is sad

[@JMHV]

Wild suggestion: give Steven a Shedinja (previously a ground type as a Nincada) over Claydol.

[@jgr7487]

Soft Sand Flygon begs for Dig. As it has the Levitate ability, it simply can't be hit when digging.

[@hussarya3380]

12:18 It's Elite Four and Shedinja has 5 weaknesses. Dark is popular coveredge learned by various Pokemon, Flying has a HM move and it's Elite Four, I think it's safe to assume every player at this point would have a way to beat Shedinja xD

[@thundermaster4247]

I also like the idea of her saying "Let's see if you can even hit any of my pokemon" while using Shedninja. Honestly it's probably too perfect of a choice

[@RicoChicoMalico]

Rory out here with another 🔥 video! You've earned your moniker of fiend with those double battles! 😂 Looking forward to whatever you make next. Enjoy your break from this series 😊

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yooo Rico thank you! Even though I'm not the biggest double battles enjoyer, yeah decided to give something to all the double battle enjoyers out there. Plus the double battle strategies can be fun, even if a bit limited in gen 3 ( personally I like speed control icy wind then outspeed and rock slide flinch)

[@RicoChicoMalico]

Agreed! I'm definitely more of a singles lover myself, though gen 3 introduced doubles, and I'm glad that you gave them more attention! You definitely implemented some cool strategies 😎

[@Lord_Yeetis]

6:06 What do you use to make these images? I've seen other youtubers use it. Is it a template?

[@sandyr5407]

They're from Bulbapedia, a website that has a lot of info on Pokémon. Edit: I should probably tell you how he came across this picture more specifically. He looked up Sidney on the site then went to "In the core series games," then went to the section called "Pokémon" which displays his teams. He found the team Sidney uses in Emerald which is what you're seeing on the screen.

[@Cyolx]

Im surprised there wasnt a grass-type gym or E4 member. Plenty of grass types and the E4 trainer could take advantage of weather if the trainer brought Groudon/Kyogre (Chlorphyll Tropius/Shiftry or Swift Swim Ludicolo).

[@david000rafael]

If I could make some changes to the Hoenn dex, one of them would be replacing Psyduck/Golduck with Shellder/Cloyster, just so Glacia could have another Pokémon to work with

[@shovanrahman1111]

Or Smoochum/Jynx would work pretty good as well.

[@StickyTrap]

Coward for not giving Phoebe a Shedinja

[@bbbbbbbbbbbrbbrb]

it still baffles me to this day how ridiculous the devs were back then. they had to have recognized what they were doing, right? they pumped out multiple dark types, all of which were physical attackers. every single one. they had to sit there and design the things, design their stat spread, determine their level-up moves, and TM/HM accessibility. there is just no way they didn't realize dark was exclusively special. the only one that could even take advantage of it was cacturne who is not a good pokémon by any means, and even he suffered greatly since the rest of his stat spread was focused on attack, a stat that he had no advantage of using since grass and dark were both special. maybe it was time constraints, idk, but just... wow. that many dark physical attackers when dark did special damage. just baffling

[@trillionbones89]

would have been cooler for the room themselves to have weather conditions "darkness" at the first two rooms (giving dark and ghost moves more power) hail at the third room rain at wallace this way they would not waste their turns and an attack slot on wheather moves

[@Lazmez]

Loved the video! I was wondering if you were going to make a video on your most recent tier list stream for those who didn’t get a chance to watch?

[@RoryTheFiend]

Appreciate that one Laz, and I don't have any plans to make a video on the recent tier list, but definitely a good shout! I will be making some differently themed pokemon videos coming up though, so I hope that captures my subscribers interests and maybe some new viewers

[@nesradub360]

I'd have kept Sidney's Crawdaunt and replaced Mightyena with Sharpedo instead. Also, grow a pair of balls and give Phoebe a Shedinja!

[@RoryTheFiend]

Lol but mightyena got that dog in him, literally he can't be stopped And for shedinja, I get it, kinda, but I wasn't convinced it'd be effective in a hard mode intended for players who know what they're doing

[@nesradub360]

@@RoryTheFiend Hyenas aren't even dogs though, they're actually more closely related to cats

[@pelipperd00d31]

Great videos! This was a good series (if we could call that) to watch We're definitely not gonna quote you on the Gen IV fixes right? :)) Small question though How do you do the team layout that is much like Bulbapedia's? Do you change the HTML page's properties in order to show what you want?

[@sowhat_idontcare151]

Favorite Poketuber uploaded!

[@RoryTheFiend]

I am honoured o_o I wish I could upload more often but these take A LOT of time lol Either way hope you enjoy

[@CarlosMartinez-zh6re]

Uber Sealeo go crazy 😭

[@dinolamb8400]

Honestly if there a lack of types you should pull from earlier gens to fill the spots instead of doubling up.

[@HiyokoSupiritto]

38:34 I hope I'm wrong but Drill Peck and Whirlwind Skarmory is illegal, at least in that gen because there are no pokemon that can learn Whirlwind and Drill Peck at the same time, but it can be fixed with replacing Whirlwind with Roar

[@RoryTheFiend]

You know what, you're so right, I tested all my teams on Pokemon Showdown, but when I checked Skarmory I forgot to change toxic to whirlwind so I thought it was legal :--( nooooo

[@HiyokoSupiritto]

@@RoryTheFiend It's okay, not many know about these illegal combos (aside from those who play showdown a lot) and fun fact Skarmory refused to use Drill Peck and used Hidden Power Flying with Whirlwind because of baton pass teams using pokemon with soundproof to prevent roar, well it was until the baton pass teams were nerfed But now it uses Roar because it lets Skarmory to use Drill Peck, a better stab move in gen 3

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@HiyokoSupiritto well then easy fix here we'll just pretend Stevens skarmory is using road lol I have seen a bit of gen 3 showdown stuff with jimothy cool, in fact I was considering joining some tournaments he's promoted and helped run but alas I am a coward

[@christopherballero866]

I feel like Phoebe should have Shedinja on her team & that Drake's Kingdra should have rain dance over dragon dance

[@daxmasterix]

1:15 Actually, Hyenas are more related to cats than dogs.

[@ItsFireTiger]

I'd like to think Phoebe could get ahold of the Event Misdreavus for Hoenn 👀🤔

[@xdragovian2655]

Been looking forward to this

[@RoryTheFiend]

Sorry it took a while, went on a little holiday, came back and procrastinated a little. Then I went on the grind full on this week and somehow finished this last night o_o

[@Daniel-sn4ut]

You can do it from the champions, and from the jotho league but from hgss

[@sergioramirezbelliard493]

Could have replaced 1 of Phoebes repeats for Bellosom or Ninetales since they fit her. Other than that good video

[@mikeyar4723]

I don’t mind the odd Pokemon off type, so maybe I’d suggest these: Sidney: Seviper (it’s got the right colours, 100 atk, learns crunch) swapped out for Mightyena. Phoebe: Ninetales/Chimecho (ghostly connections) or as a really wild choice, bellossom matches her dress and flowers, swap one out for one of her bannettes. Glacia: Huntail (deep water is cold?) or Azumarill/Grumpig (thick fat ability? They really needed to just add more ice types from gen 1/2…) swapped out for one of her Sealeos. Drake: Armaldo/Milotic (serpentine Pokemon which can alternate depending on who is champion) swapped out for Shelgon.

[@RoryTheFiend]

These are solid suggestions, and I'm the same I don't mind the odd pokemon off type, though some people absolutely hate it lol. I think if anything I'd take Ninetales or Chimecho for Phoebe, since they're mt pyre related and her grandmother is at mt. Pyre I believe. But yeah I can see all of these being suitable for their respective e4 members

[@AlexBelte3002]

I'm actually happy to read someone else put Seviper on Sidney's team. I was afraid to be alone but it seems that i'm not !

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@AlexBelte3002 yeah seviper definitely has a vibe of dark type to it, though I wonder if that'd get people into heated arguments the same way saying luxray should be part dark

[@AlexBelte3002]

​@@RoryTheFiendlook at the bright side : people arguing in the comment section gives you more views and visibility !

[@mikeyar4723]

@@AlexBelte3002 I do like Seviper for him, the only drawback I see is that in Emerald Seviper is associated with Lucy/Battle Pike in the Battle Frontier, but as long as it’s not a shared ace I think it’s fine!

[@Blazzardd]

I would have given Sydney a weavile cause him and its pre-evolution sneasel has the same hairstyle 🖍️

[@TechnoMark1350]

Give Sidney Sableye

[@flyingninjafish1558]

Would have given Absol Super Luck to make it even more of a beast capable of one-shotting with crits, especially with Slash's high crit rate already

[@RoryTheFiend]

That'd be great but unfortunately super luck as an ability did not exist in the gen 3 games

[@flyingninjafish1558]

@RoryTheFiend Just looked it up and sure enough you're right, my bad 😅

[@itsimpulse75]

have you ever thought of doing a fixing team magma and aqua video i mean they are so boring to fight when your only fighting 4 different lines of pokemon across two team also is you do make i id suggest giveing archie a new battle in mt pyre

[@hessiankyojin]

Drill Peck and Whirlwind together is illegal because both are egg moves and no ‘mon in Gen 3 have both at the same time.

[@eyemaknut]

Can breed from the same species

[@hessiankyojin]

@@eyemaknut Yes, but need to be with the same Pokemon, not separate. You cannot get both at the same time. The other move will be forgotten if you try to get the other.

[@eyemaknut]

@@hessiankyojin No, I mean you can breed in a chain. Egg move #1 onto the offspring, then breed the offspring with the other species for Egg move #2.

[@hessiankyojin]

@ I get your point, but it doesn’t work like that in Gen 3. The other move WILL be deleted. It was implemented in Gen 4 onwards, not here.

[@eyemaknut]

@@hessiankyojin Ahhhh, my bad. I only started breeding for egg moves in gen 4, so never knew that.

[@hessiankyojin]

For Phoebe, what about Shedinja? Replace the other Banette.

[@bryanpaulnintendo]

31:09 Goredisc jumpscare

[@RoryTheFiend]

Was wondering who would comment on that first lol

[@leeeroyjenkins555]

Isnt knock off normal type in gen 3? Is also way weaker

[@RoryTheFiend]

Knock off is way weaker but it is still a dark type, the maint point for it isn't damage considering I used it on sableye, but the utility of it.

[@leeeroyjenkins555]

@@RoryTheFiend oh alright. Btw, Im not sure if you get back your item after the end of the battle unlike later games, so that would be a guaranteed reset if the player is carrying an important one of a kind item.

[@KraylebStudios]

I think the physical special split just holds a lot of Pokemon back in the og Hoenn games... but nothing holds Hoenn back more than absolutely no coverage moves on any gym teams or elite four members... and Emerald's champion is such a letdown

[@KraylebStudios]

Also I'm currently designing my own rom hack at the moment and I had even planned for Glacia to be a double battle too! (But with more Ice types available)

[@RoryTheFiend]

Phoebe's banettes are loving the physical shadow ball at least lol And yeah, why was Sydney's crawdaunt using both strength and facade for example, very redundant

[@RoryTheFiend]

Oh that's great! A lot of people wanted glacia to be a double battle so it's a winning idea for sure, what ice types were you planning to make available for her to use?

[@KraylebStudios]

@@RoryTheFiend Well mamoswine and Glalie to start, then Weavile and Froslass then her Walrein. Castform is funny but there are stronger pokemon out there

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@KraylebStudios in your version castform is a meme, in base emerald it's a serious option for glacia lol Well those are some solid gen 4 Ice types, wonder how they'd do in a pre physical special split game

[@peteypiranalover]

6:37 i still call it Fake aid. I never heard of Facade proper before.i still say it sounds better. But I have heard of Pheobe before many times so u never made that name issue

[@peteypiranalover]

Why not shedinja? For phoebe?

[@Urjdjdjwu]

Hey bro, I wanted to ask. I'm thinking of starting a channel, and wanted to add pokemon music from RSE as background like you do in your videos. But I'm wondering, won't it get copyright struck? Is there something you do that doesnt get it claimed? Any tips would help a lot! Thanks, and love your videos they're great!!!!

[@jbay1792]

As a kid when this game first came out, I said Fa Cade 🥴😂

[@sem5840]

No chimeco for phoebe??

[@arrowblade_1238]

When you gonna improve the rival teams for x and y?

[@kirbyhasn9047]

Shiftry can actually get extrasensory, nuzleaf can learn extrasensory at level 49 in gen 3 so Sydney is cheating by 1 level.

[@Sk801Erik]

Why no storm drain Cradily

[@1originalaccountname]

Nah, Glacia should have a level 100 Spheal. Everyone loves Spheal and it should get more attention

[@RoryTheFiend]

Keeping it real, we need a joke hard mode, because level 100 spheal would be a tough but beatable mon... probably. I'm sure you've already seen this but a lovely spheal video by eno :-) kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnSwpoKjnpetitU

[@1originalaccountname]

@@RoryTheFiend Why should it be beatable!? Do you want Spheal to get hurt?!

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@1originalaccountname Well, in that case, just give the rival a level 100 spheal, everyone will be forced to bow down to its might

[@rhinastocroc-boulet5189]

​@@RoryTheFiendMight as well do the level 100 Luvdisc for Wallace or even Juan then.

[@MakinItRain24-7]

Yay a new video

[@squamman631]

I feel like you should’ve kept with the double battles till the end and made Wallace a double battle, definitely make double battles memorable in the gen that introduced it

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah It would be kinda wild having a double battle champion, making some doubles rain dance team could be fun as well!