Rose Wrist Debates A TOTAL LUNATIC On Immigration (Debate Review)

[@jorgeguimaraes8820]

imagine colonizing the whole world and then whining when people migrate into your island

[@xXRickTrolledXx]

Britain’s only export is misery.

[@TheAaronChand]

People like Mark and Laura Towler and others complain about foreigners when England had the Brtish Empire plus they forget that it wasn't just colored people's countries they colonized Ireland was England's 1st colony and became there testing ground for imperialism. The loss of the Irish language Oliver Crowells invasion of Ireland settler clonalsim during the Ulster Plantation period multiple Rebellions to free themselves from England. Ireland was part of England the Brtish Empire untill 1921 when the Irish War for independence happened. Finally becoming a independence country but not before they divided the country into 2 parts Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. And which led to more conflict known as the Troubles which lasted from the 50s and 60s until April 1998 in the 90s 35 years later. There's plenty of Irish people or people who have an Irish background like Actor Erin Doherty from the show The Crown born in Crowley England yet Mark and Laura don't complain about Irish people or those of Irish decent making England less English.

[@GabiGhita]

@@TheAaronChand It's because they're nazis. But if your goal is to debunk these arguments for friends or family, then those are good points.

[@internetual7350]

@@TheAaronChand We Irish people complain more about Irish people in Britain then vice versa 🤣

[@TheMadTurtle]

@@TheAaronChand Buh... buh... the colonized countries RESISTED so we can resist immigrants moving here!

[@ASolidSnack]

"Indigenous to the British isles" dude's mind is gonna be blown when he finds out where the term "Anglo-Saxon" comes from

[@iamwonka]

Exactly.

[@PFEofficial]

Ikr. England is a country built on immigrants. Whether it’s the Angles, Saxons, Danes or Normans. People who see Britain as “for the British” misunderstand history to a headache enduring extent.

[@sycration]

@@PFEofficial and the Romans before them!

[@melodi_bunniez]

Yeah I know. And I don't know a lot about ancient English\British history but didn't the Celts and Romans came before the Anglo-Saxons?

[@stephenmurray8559]

@@PFEofficial No they don't in any way. You are low IQ and pretending to miss the point. The idea that because a country has had invasions in the past that the indigenous people of that country don't exist and deserve to be ethnically replaced is absurd. Firstly, the vikings etc numbered in a few thousand and left. And they were the same race. Prior to the 1990s the vast majority of this country was indigenous white British. Are you also saying that the Chinese don't exist because Marco Polo went to China? The fact is that the United nations definition of genocide is to replace in part or in whole a distinct ethnic group. How does that not explain what is happening to us when you consider Rotherham and Rochdale and London and Luton and Birmingham and Bradford and everywhere else.?

[@ryanmccabe1036]

This debate changed my mind. I now unironically advocate for the complete replacement of British people.

[@ericthegreat7805]

😂😂😂😂

[@jorgeguimaraes8820]

that's a great replacement we can all get behind

[@tgoas3503]

As a british person, I approve this.

[@dachitronmagnus5755]

Based

[@Eltipoquevisteayer]

Just replace english people, let welshs and scottish people populate the free space

[@packpowerfan]

"Mom I want Sargon of Akkad!" "No honey, we have Sargon at home." Sargon at home: this fucking toaster

[@dontpickonme]

Honestly I didn't know it wasn't sargon

[@mikeymoughtin]

If sargon messed up the fusion dance with paul joseph wattson you get this muppet

[@FoxxyFire-HellFrost]

@@mikeymoughtin Thank you for using my favorite insult. XD

[@adambyrne361]

This is the best comment ever.

[@thelefttechcat]

Oh, this guy is much worse than Sargon. He makes Sargon look progressive. He was once the leader of the Youth BNP, the youth wing of the British nazi party. He's also on public record during a undercover documentary saying that "Hitler was misunderstood" and "the jews deserved it" etc

[@cork7874]

As an Irish person who’s country was colonised by the British who attempted to genocide us as a population during the Irish famine and extinguish our culture by banning our native language, killing innocent people and burning towns to the ground, it’s hard to listen to this guy talk about the importance of indigenous populations. In Britain they displayed signs, no blacks, no dogs, no Irish. I would like someone to introduce the idea of red haired supremacy to these debates, because red hair emerged from Scotland so shouldn’t we say as indigenous people perfectly adapted to their climate (they generate vitamin d without sunlight), shouldn’t we deport everyone without red hair? Because that’s how ridiculous putting this emphasis on skin colour is.

[@TheAaronChand]

much like Ireland my ansctores Country India was also ruled by the English Brtish Empire. my family and other Indians from the Bhair region mostly Hindus like my backround and Muslims. where sent to Fiji Islands. which is why my family are Fijian Indians decdent of the Indurrent servants .same as the Irish who where indenturet servants and sent to other Brtish English colonies such as Jamica Austrlia and America.

[@cork7874]

@@TheAaronChand yes very similar we chatted to our Indian friends about this and the atrocities committed in India were absolutely horrific and barbaric. This guy talks like ‘the west’ brings intelligence and invention, they bring psychopathy and barbarity, we don’t even know the incredible depth of knowledge and inventions that were lost at the hands of colonialists. Tough to listen to. Appreciate your comment 🙏

[@colt9836]

Oh gods, the Irish Blight was deliberate?

[@LaurentIpsum]

@@colt9836 your being deliberately obtuse is deliberate

[@spectilia]

Super minor correction. Unless they have a specific unique mutation I am unaware of (perfectly possible), it isn't that they can produce vit D without sunlight any more than other humans. The red hair gene just makes it so you can't produce the pigment that blocks the sun used for vit D. In a very cloudy environment like Ireland and Scotland, this means they can take full advantage of what miniscule amount of light that does hit them and they don't suffer from the vit D deficiencies others would.

[@BruhWhyDidTheyChangeThis]

Imagine living with this much hate, anger, and fear.

[@tabbymoonshine5986]

He grew up around Leeds and Bradford in West Yorkshire, his worldview amount SOME of my fellow working class in the area is sadly common, although usually not as extreme as this Mark weirdo.

[@reviewtechussr]

Oh he's not actually bigoted, he's just trying to speedrun his brain towards a stroke.

[@ChocolateBear239]

@@reviewtechussr fingers Crossed

[@colt9836]

It sounds so exhausting.

[@A86]

That's why there's no such thing as a happy Nazi. All Nazis and Fascists are miserable people if you know any personally, and if you watch their online watering holes they're frequently talking about hos close to suicide they are. Nazis and Fascists spend their free time nuzzling a gun underneath their chin contemplating suicide. You see it with their MAGA parents and grandparents as well. All miserable Karens and Kens.

[@alexanderwalker3906]

The fact that Vaush is _incapable_ of doing a British accent without just sounding Australian is fucking hilarious.

[@nightlydrugs6927]

I think I do it too lmao. So therefore I do not do British accents.

[@davidhatred7275]

as a brit i fucking love these janky assed impressions, i've been walking around doing spinal tap voices for the last half hour myself.

[@daved2352]

He does that deliberately to throw you off the scent of the real conspiracy that he's actually british and pretends to be american. I base this conspiracy theory mainly off the fact that he called someone mate once in a heated moment and no other evidence but I stand by it.

[@wintersibrun768]

Find any new evidence since?​@@daved2352

[@KyrstensCloset]

Imagine expecting Brittany to ACTUALLY moderate lol

[@luxborealis]

Yeah, as usual she was way too busy browsing /pol/ to pay attention.

[@T00THY_0RiFiCE]

She sure liked picking out the racist comments to read

[@486demonbanana]

Conveniently giving the nazis the most substantial ending statement

[@schnoz2372]

The important thing to remember with people acting in bad faith is that half the shit they’re saying is bait, the rest is desperate attachment to the positions they’ve been instructed to hold.

[@jo3y960]

Not just that but it's also more vehement on trying to get Gocha moments. If he keeps baiting and baiting them with more Gacha moments, the people that will agree with him already will already have reinforcement to the nonsensical argument. Which is why it's best to play it straight and true. The better question is what does this even prove. What's the point, if you know the guy is just there to waste your time. Its good they stuck to their guns but still. It's not about facts. It's about a small observation that has no merit.

[@omarwajeeh3665]

I love how Mark Collett continued to call Rose and Mouthy “soy boys” when Mark is an actual manlet

[@RemixedVoice]

The funny thing about the soy boy insult, is that it's only offensive to the people who try to use it as a slur; insecure conservative white men

[@Eveliane]

Generally I believe that even if you’re going against a bad faith actor, you should treat their arguments in good faith and respond to them as such because even if they won’t listen and don’t care, someone who comes along and hears your arguments may end up listening to you and decide to look into it more and discover they were wrong and move their opinions over. With all that said, Rose and Mouthy should’ve just called the nazi a whiney little soy bitch who’s girlfriend cheated on him with someone who could actually pleasure her, and then drown him out with mocking crying baby noises anytime he tried to speak.

[@TheDoggyGIR]

The ideal is to split it like 60/40

[@jo0rd73]

@@TheDoggyGIR Agreed, especially when it comes to conversations about shit like ‘the great replacement’ conspiracy, treating the argument as if it has any possible merit isn’t the way to go. Just treat it as ridiculously as the conspiracy itself actually is.

[@Eveliane]

@@jo0rd73 I still think it depends on the person you’re debating for discussions like that. The great replacement theory may seem like a silly thing to argue about, mostly because it is a silly, brain dead thing to believe, but I believe especially with that one it’s possible for the arguments in favor of the belief of it’s existence can, at least in part, seep into leftist discussion, just in reverse.

[@jo0rd73]

@@Eveliane I just think on a public platform you shouldn’t treat it so seriously. Interpersonally though treat any argument or position seriously, at least that’s what I do. My dad believed some really delusional and dumb shit about trans people such as many switching their genders daily and I took it seriously since it was just between us. If I laughed at everything he said he would’ve been more inclined to double down but I had patience with him and showed the lunacy in such a position in the nicest way possible. He’s at least pro trans in general now. With a wider audience I think it’s better to make them feel dumb for believing such a thing especially since in a debate you’re looking to change the minds of viewers rather than your opponent. Instead of taking it seriously and someone watching thinking up counter arguments in their own mind for everything you say I just personally believe it’s a more effective topic for them to think about is this a stupid thing to believe ? Rather than their own personal arguments they think up when watching a serious discussion on such a silly position.

[@Eveliane]

@@jo0rd73 I understand where you’re coming from, but my concern is the doubling down your father would’ve done if you laughed at him would happen on a larger scale in a public discourse

[@JH-fb3mp]

That guy is the single whiniest debater I have ever heard. He was raging hard right out the gate

[@FelisImpurrator]

Every Nazi is an incompetent adult-baby with a victim complex the size of the sun. They're all like this because their ideology is based on mainlining copium.

[@Kevo6492]

This debate was hilarious as all hell. My guy kept getting asked if he would just ignore the data and couldn’t even address that question. Classic fashy move.

[@CynicalBastard]

What data? the economic data? Why is it that "Marxists" act like centrists?

[@casscody3488]

@@fultonjwingbajr.6473 Sounds gay

[@emeraldheart2244]

fascists and data or facts don't mix. "Great man", "Aryan race" "cultural bolshevism" "great replacement" are all more about how they feel than any kind of rational truth

[@stevemcdonald7314]

it is tiresome hearing people who do not know who the fascists were use the term so loosely, especially when the people you use it on were the ones that fled them or fought them, or lost loved ones to them,, sadly there seems to be no chance of educating you to understand that your behavior is fascist , the debate er here claiming facts do not matter is hilarious that the rhetorical battle is what matters you claim that when you r argument is flawed or weak.

[@CynicalBastard]

@@stevemcdonald7314 Leftists do resort an awful lot to the "argument from authority". You are just using labels: nothing really matters until someone does something: you think other leftists are "fascists" for being tankies: the thing is you guys can't just even agree on what you even need to really do, other than allow the neoliberal staging ground be what it is...and that is it.

[@xXRickTrolledXx]

"The Roman Empire was so cool organized, when has AfRiCa ever had an empire? Check mate lefties" I love that he doesn't know what Carthage was a thing.

[@revi.talose.8643]

Rightoids be like What the FUCK is a Songhai, Mali, Ghana, Ashanti, Kanem Bornu, Kongo, Anziku, Lunda, Luba, Kilwa, Ethiopia, Adal, Geledi, Medri Bahri or Funj??!?!?1!?!

[@LaurentIpsum]

The African empires were massive and thriving. It's a hugely under-represented part of human history, at least in Western education.

[@gudboah4688]

Mali was pretty goddamn impressive back in the day too

[@revi.talose.8643]

@@LaurentIpsum true there're legit like 20+ examples with some pretty massively impressive achievements, like caesarean sections, global trade influence, cities as big as those in Europe, the walls of Benin or Great Zimbabwe, even a matriarchy, tons of interesting stuff

[@martijnstuart95]

@@revi.talose.8643 Also let's not forget the Zulu, who kicked these guys empire's ass at the high of their power with a bunch of spears and shields

[@AzafTazarden]

"It's always ok to be sexist to far-right women because that is what they want" I agree with that 100%

[@sunspear4858]

Mark Collett is the guy who made a video complaining about the death of the traditional family after watching an oven-fry ad with gay parents

[@SemiIocon]

A video Vaush also covered! I remember that, good Voosh video.

[@ASolidSnack]

The guy with the Amazonian gf with the Nazi tattoos?

[@BlueTyphoon2017]

@@ASolidSnack yeah, that guy

[@Sqwivig]

Ooooohh shit! I remember that guy!

[@godocs11]

Their argument boils down to: "Reality is Jewish so I'm going to make shit up and it'll be better because it's not Jewish."

[@distorted_imagination]

"Oh noooo! Our British food!!!" Shit, it's easy as fuck to make. Step one: Grab a pot Step two: Grab things from fridge Step three: Boil the fuck out of it till it has no taste. Step four: Pretend you have culture while eating boiled mash.

[@blueberryindigo3087]

The British: *Colonize other cultures for their spices* Also the Brits:*Decide to not use them.* It's a joke in case people get mad.

[@phillgornall2296]

That’s not how you make British food!. You choose it from the Indian or Chinese takeaway menu.

[@blueberryindigo3087]

@@phillgornall2296 or fish & chips with beans....

[@youcanthandlethetruth8873]

I do like an English breakfast from time to time though. Pulls you through the day.

[@EE-gv9wt]

I'm not a brit but fish and chips are an absolute banger

[@jordanwood3150]

As a Brit I find it hilarious when other Brits complain about immigration, as if our country's economy wasn't completely in the shitter before we started encouraging immigration from commonwealth countries. It was immigrants that helped to rebuild our country after the war.

[@jordanwood3150]

There are waiting lists for social housing in the UK because Thatcher sold a load of them off back in the 80s with the right to buy scheme and successive governments have failed to build more at a quick enough rate, opting to contract the work out to housing developers.

[@jordanwood3150]

As someone training to be a teacher, schools are facing much bigger issues than large class sizes (average class sizes have in fact decreased from last year). One of the biggest issues we are facing is teachers leaving the profession at alarming rates. We're simply massively understaffed and massively underfunded, not to mention the effects of pupils missing out on in class education for 2 years.

[@ihavenojawandimustscream4681]

Same with EU.British nationalists keep crapping on EU and accusing it as a leech when EU membership basically revived British economy by making it a nexus of continental oligarchs,some kind of Bank of London 2.0

[@aurabullet4128]

When Nazi's claim their observable world is valid but a study that was observed to make isn't

[@FelisImpurrator]

Fascism is the political equivalent of simultaneously establishing "seeing is believing" as the only standard for objective reality and mandating that the eyes of every living individual be gouged out.

[@xXRickTrolledXx]

@Aura Bullet If you think about it, data is kind of "the plural of anecdote" ;). That's what I would have said to the Nazi, just to be cheeky.

[@OhChrumbs]

So surprise surprise, that talking point about "35,000 UK workers being rejected in favour of migrants" is utter bollocks. This was back in 2020, and it's true 36,000 Brits applied, to fill approximately 80,000 seasonal worker jobs. However, only 6,000 of them actually accepted an interview when offered one. So yeah, the other ~74,000 jobs had to be filled by foreign workers because there just wasn't enough British workers. This joke of a story gets trotted out every year.

[@EmpireGamingWynter]

My favourite part of this guys unhinged rant is he mentioned Birmingham as a place where we're already seeing this white replacement. I live in Birmingham in England. I've lived here my whole life. I've even lived in one of the areas that's got an extreme white minority. Like it was like 90% black and Asian and I never had any trouble. Every one I saw was so fucking nice. It's also interesting that in the voting, every single time Birmingham, Bradford and other big cities he listed are almost entirely and exclusively left wing. Yes we have a lot of non white people here. My quality of life has literally not changed my entire life.

[@Tom-co8uz]

Yeah but he doesn't like curry, so check mate lib.

[@FelisImpurrator]

Yes. The takeaway is that for people who aren't absolute brainlets, diversity is good and makes life more interesting. The fascist ideal is a dull, vapid haze of anti-intellectual misery where the only thing to look forward to is death in pointless combat against an imagined enemy. I'm fairly sure half the reason they hate diversity so much is because having a variety of experiences in life makes one think.

[@EmpireGamingWynter]

@@Tom-co8uz neither do I 👀

[@justass3001]

@@EmpireGamingWynter instead, you probably like George Soros, or reading...or stats. Soy

[@EmpireGamingWynter]

@@justass3001 fun fact, I'd legit never heard of George Soros until right wing conspiracy theorists started mentioning him haha

[@dylanb265]

“We have the data but we shouldn’t need it” needs only one counter: “It’s only valuable to debate something if you’d change your mind on the issue if you found out you were wrong. If it’s not necessary to your position, it’s not relevant to the debate”. So before any stats are discussed, we need to agree that, if the stats are wrong, you’d change your mind

[@complimentbotd7232]

Dylan Burns?

[@tmsphere]

Nobody who agrees to this would agree that the "stats" contradict what they want to say so you actually did absolutely nothing here.

[@PaulAngileri]

Paraphrasing Hitchens: “That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.”

[@DasRoteRadieschen]

Listening to this debate hurt me physically. Ethnic centrism and repeats of fear mongering in every sentence from this person. It's so painful you have to pause at many points to just take a break.

[@CynicalBastard]

Ethnic centrism is bad,...but is neoliberal centrism...good?

[@DasRoteRadieschen]

@@CynicalBastard ...no?

[@CynicalBastard]

@@DasRoteRadieschen So what are people to do to stem the tides of neoliberalism? do more neoliberalism?

[@adamsmasher9769]

@@CynicalBastard well that depends on the country your talking about. The approach is different in plenty of places.

[@cass7448]

@@CynicalBastard Jesse what the hell are you talking about?

[@cloudshad0ws]

Imagine how boring nearly every aspect of life would be without multiculturalism... I mean for fuck sake, what the fuck am I going to eat? Boiled potatoes every day? Thank Christ I live in a state with an abundance of cultures represented, and that I can eat their delicious food and learn about their fascinating traditions.

[@pitdarkangel2961]

Potatoes are from the Americas, without multiculturalism you'd just have unsalted bread

[@tabbymoonshine5986]

So so true. I would just say however….in some poor areas of the UK, mono cultures have popped up that sit side by side with the indigenous culture, and sometimes it seems there is a reluctance on both sides to integrate. We need to find a way to help this issue. Although I think over time it’ll get bettet, but sadly it stoked resentment on both sides, which can result in freaks like Mark Collett popping up and this nasty low level racial bigotry existing on both sides.

[@GeekyC]

@@tabbymoonshine5986 love this and truly hope for this one day for the uk .. long way away but i see it in some communities and areas were i never saw it before so there is hope :)

[@revi.talose.8643]

Bro english food is a hatecrime in and of itself imo. There're some countries where it's better like Belgium, Czechia, *France* but my God if I wouldn't miss the dozens of interesting cuisines you have living even somewhat near the city

[@kaisarion6668]

Ethnonatiomalism only appeals to losers. They think immigration is the reason they’re alone & miserable when it’s due to their personality. What woman wants a crybaby who is basically asking for affirmative action for p**sy?

[@corinnewton7017]

I would like to apologise on behalf of all British people because of the behaviour of these people

[@Juhz0r]

Vaush's British impressions sufficiently augmented the original content to make this work transformative in nature.

[@lemon93]

i feel like sl1 ds2 is pretty transfomative

[@pash_4904]

This Nazi guy is deeply insecure, he stumbled multiple times in his opening, and the first insult he flings once the gates open is insulting his opponents for stumbling-something I’m not even sure happened

[@stereoraptor6940]

rose wrist did phenomenally here. the ctrl+F strat is beyond genius

[@revi.talose.8643]

F for Facts lmao

[@phr3ui559]

how

[@stereoraptor6940]

​@@phr3ui559 if somebody makes a claim and you have a method of INSTANTLY debunking it that's huge for your rhetorical case. it's kairos as well as logos and ethos

[@rickuza]

do you have a timestamp?

[@stereoraptor6940]

@@rickuza 43:40

[@HeloisGevit]

Average Tory voters on display in this debate. Glad they got pummelled in yesterday's local council elections that took place in the UK!

[@rachaelgraceblack]

I think the fact they lost Westminster speaks volumes.

[@GeekyC]

@@rachaelgraceblack 100%

[@GeekyC]

gotta love the Torys ....

[@lloroshastar6347]

OMG I had a double celebration with that yesterday, my party the Greens gained a record number of seats and I found out something in my gums I was worried about was just a wisdom tooth so a good day overall!

[@Vexe]

There IS a rich history of prosperous kingdoms in sub-Sahara Africa, though. We just don't talk about them in school. Mansa Musa is the most famous example. Richest human to have ever lived.

[@tyronechillifoot5573]

There’s been a wide number of different n kingdoms and societies that arose across Africa Mali during its peak was second in population only to the mongol empire

[@TheAaronChand]

Don't forget the Benin Empire in Nigeria founded in the 11th century it lasted between the years. 1180 to 1897 in the 19th century before it was taken over by the Brtish Empire. Look up the walls of Benin in present day Edo Nigeria. The walls of Benin City where described as the world's largest Earthworks prior to the mechanical era. Westerners knew about the Benin City Walls since around the year 1500. A Portuguese explorer Duarte Pachero Pereira account of Benin City Walls the city is about a league long from gate to gate it has no Wall but is surrounded by a large moat very wide and deep which suffices for its defense.

[@TheAaronChand]

@@tyronechillifoot5573 the Kingdom of Mutapa located in Modern Zimbabwe which lasted from 1430 to 1760

[@ludovicusbathory1715]

Beyond that west africa in general is very complex and headache inducing because so much was going on there in pre colonial times. Most people only talk about egypt when it comes to north Africa but there were plenty of kingdoms and empires in that region. East Africa and the horn have a crap ton of civilizations that go way back. Central africa had plenty going on but Southern africa is kinda spares sure great Zimbabwe and other kingdoms existed but its really hard to say what went on in those spots. The information is there but sadly people put a lot of weight into written accounts(as if thats the only way to describe historical accounts). Most of africas history is oral so most discount what went on there before outsiders came in.

[@garywebb2432]

Rose and Mouthy are the next Destiny and Vaush minus the sexual tension and community toxicity lmaoo

[@jakecorenthose2901]

Infidel and his community are pretty toxic. Much like Booksmarts, he's a Destiny orbiter who has absorbed a lot of Destiny's community. As a result, most of his community blows in the same way Destiny's does. Heem is the only Destiny orbiter who doesn't have this problem, for whatever reason.

[@ergosum5001]

@@jakecorenthose2901 It's because Heem is like, the only one that's educated to a professional capacity and has life-prospects outside of being a smug debate bro and the debate bro/streamer drama scene. It's harder to be a pretentious unregulated public fuck when you, you know, actually have to go out and be a professional amicable human with good bench-to-bedside manners regularly and can't risk all that by being an edgelord for a bunch of 15 year olds.

[@pcwildcat]

@@jakecorenthose2901 Can you elaborate on why you think Infidel's community is toxic? I recently took a liking to his content. He seems pretty levelheaded and non confrontational so I'm wondering how that could result in having a toxic community.

[@jakecorenthose2901]

@@pcwildcat His rabid defense of Destiny is where it shows. His and his community's behavior with that chick Keffals being a recent example.

[@pcwildcat]

​@@jakecorenthose2901 Just saw his tweet accusing Keffals of running a sex cult. Yikes. I wonder if he's talked about why he tweeted that. It seems weird to me that the seemingly calm and thoughtful person he is in his videos is the same person that would tweet a flimsy accusation like that.

[@Waiting4theend]

I completely agree with what you said at the beginning about how this debate format causes problems. If you argue with them in a legitimate process, it gives their side a legitimate look.

[@YandereDay]

And he didn't even respect the process considering he was mocking the other side for having sources and using big words

[@CteCrassus]

If there is something that Brexit proved beyond all shadow of doubt is that a British accent only makes you *sound* smarter.

[@Noizeing]

As a dane they dont even “sound” smarter to the rest of Europe.

[@fleecejohnson9813]

ONE British accent makes you sound smart. The rest are oy bruvs.

[@bryanpartington3260]

@@Noizeing You mean Danes you know, you dont speak for the rest of us in Europe, in fact you dont even speak for the rest of your country,

[@strongbone9471]

I've never understood the hatred for British accents until this debate.

[@pioneershark2230]

most people don't sound like this. there are so many accents in Britain

[@altosaxophonie]

im english and from what i can tell this guy has an incredibly, painfully smug voice - most other english ppl would be just as distressed listening to him lol

[@beo3828]

@@altosaxophonie that's because he came to the debate to preach, not to debate. He's the holder of Truth(tm) and so he sounds so fucking smug

[@lloroshastar6347]

I'm not exactly a male model but my British accent does get me attention from non-British girls, however I don't sound like these Nazi's as I'm a southerner. There are plenty of non-Nazi's up north though, though they do sound similar to these two.

[@lloroshastar6347]

@@altosaxophonie Yes Carl Benjamin is the same, his smugness infuriates me and I think that's why he's so successful because his idiotic audience can't tell the difference between someone sounding like they are right in their voice and actually being right in their words.

[@SuperAsefasef]

I do not want to hear Anglo’s talking about how they are the indigenous ones in the British isles.

[@Asterothe91]

i think rose did great.....but im a fan of hammering ppl on the data and forcing them to support their own claims.

[@ILoveGrilledCheese]

The problem with that is if you wait for data you may never get a consensus on it anyway.

[@orangenostril]

"I don't care how much evidence you have! I don't need evidence, I'm telling you the facts!"

[@thereallocke8065]

Nazis be like "feelings don't care about your facts"

[@toehairyum]

1:13:30 The whole "Illegal immigration causes native born citizens to lose jobs" is a myth decried by nearly every professional economist, but even if you ignore that and take the conservative at their word, there's a really simple solution: open borders. The conservative argument is that "Illegal immigrants accept lower wages because they know they run the risk of deported". So just make no one "illegal" and every immigrant will be forced to accept the same wages as every natural-born citizen. This has always been super effective in my debates, and the conservative I'm talking to will usually pivot to the issue or crime rates, social cohesion, or whatever other bullshit excuse they have for not wanting more brown and black people in the country.

[@Stephenwhite013]

The worst part is when people get not these discussions they never do research on ancient African civilizations to give actual examples to combat this idea that Africa was nothing but huts

[@ludovicusbathory1715]

True but even if white nationalists were tied up and forced to read the stuff that was going on in pre colonial sub Saharan Africa they would still call it all primitive. Hell West Africa alone is proof that there was more then just huts out there.

[@organization8923]

Yeah it's kinda sad

[@FreyjaHerself]

I love how hes always using the line "innovative somalians, pakistanis, nigerians (lmao)" its like the only 3 countries he can think of. Someone should remind him that all of the most important foundations of math science and astrology were discovered during the golden age of India. You know, "those innovative brown people"

[@LaurentIpsum]

Wait until he finds out where like 70% of spices come from

[@FreyjaHerself]

@@LaurentIpsum You think british people know what spices are????

[@hoodedferret]

50:58 Was the mod checking their Twitter DMs? This is just bullying with no rhetorical value. No idea why this was allowed during a debate.

[@dustnite7771]

I see you aren't familiar with Brittany's moderation style. This is a person that couldn't stop several Discord servers getting banned because they couldn't follow TOS. She is basically a cardboard cutout in debates.

[@chelsgo8675]

Brittany, the "left-wing" host, has debated this very topic with Xanderhal. The fact that the supposed "left" host agrees with the Nazi here should tell you everything you need to know about their channel.

[@luxborealis]

Brittany’s moderation in debates no matter the format always consists of making a joke about being redpilled on immigration at the start, then looking at her phone for two hours before reading messages and sponsors.

[@kardoxfabricanus7590]

Quick fact check: the last conflict Britain had was with Iceland where the British got utterly annihilated in sea warfare.

[@IgN5P]

By Icelandic fishing boats, even. More than once.

[@jadencrawford3501]

Don't Nazi's like Rome? Rome was multi cultural as a selling point. It's what made it so powerful

[@duncanmacleod6274]

3:16 I hear this statistic and I just feel awful for those poor "indigenous" white people. 99.96% of the population is both white and British? I'd immigrate or have to Roblox myself after a few years of eating exclusively white British food.

[@xXRickTrolledXx]

Bangers and mash is good though ): On a side note, though, the Nazi is whitewashing all the British ethnicities and subcultures. He does realize he’s calling the Irish white right?

[@That_One_Xatu]

You're not taking this seriously! Everyone knows native British people can only eat beans on toast, crumpets, and tea. All these foreign foods brought there by non-white migrants are inedible to them! Worst of all, if women and girls eat them, they immediately get recruited into grooming gangs!!

[@mememachine6743]

Why is indigenous in quotation marks, are you implying that anglos and celts aren’t indigenous to the British isles?

[@duncanmacleod6274]

@@mememachine6743 Modern "white" English people aren't all Anglos and Celts. Racists just aren't bothering to differentiate between Anglo, Celt, Saxon, or even Frank, Roman, or Dane for that matter. Then in comparison to brown people, they're suddenly a homogenous indigenous people.

[@Altitudes]

I'd have to look up the fruit pickers thing again, but it's one of those where it turns out that thousands of British workers applied, then only about a fifth of them wanted to interview for the job, then of those who interviewed only something like 100 actually accepted the job. It was something like you needed to live on site because of the location (otherwise traveling was prohibitive for most people), the hours were long, the work was hard and surprisingly skilled, and you got paid based on how much you produced (meaning there's decent money for those good at it, bad for those who aren't). Turns out that fruit picking is demanding work with tough living conditions and of the British people who applied almost all of them turned the job down. Immigrants didn't get preferential treatment, the people who applied decided they didn't want the job. I might have messed up the details, but that's basically the story.

[@SuperGorak]

"ancestral homeland" this guy's mom is some ancestral homeland

[@danieldeangelo4848]

Did anyone else love how triggered the fascists got when Rosewrist brought up that report? I've never seen anyone so horrified of getting called on their bullshit.

[@daffyuser]

I liked the part when vaush was doing the worst ever attempted english accent, then Mark spoke and it sounded EXACTLY like the terrible impression

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

Indigenous people of London... Sigh...! Btw. Rubbish about Indians not having problems with brits before Indians came to the UK. The entire colonization of India remember?

[@zeggsy0554]

makes you look really big brained if you say "tHaTs WoRdSaLaD" after someone explains a fairly simple concept in relatively easy language.

[@AnyHeroBlake]

Wtf is "wordsalad"

[@demetrib2956]

funny enough the english are not native to brittan. They are half breads between the danish saxons and the german angles, while the actual bretteny were displaced. Actual bretteny are the welsh cornish and manx peoples xD

[@scrungozeclown836]

Don't tell him who made math O.O Don't tell him who invented the number system he uses O.O Don't tell him who paved the way for the medicine he uses O.O

[@beo3828]

Don't tell him Europe has been a hot pot of mixed cultures for a couple thousand years now.

[@scrungozeclown836]

@@beo3828 b-b-b-but multiculturalism is sus and cringe!!! And ethnostates are based!!! What do you mean I use the Arabic numerals? I use English numerals! *cue racial slurs and euphemisms about Arabic people, Africans, and jews*

[@xXRickTrolledXx]

​@@scrungozeclown836 And on top of that, Arabs safeguarded those scientific advancements through the European Dark Ages.

[@darkwarlock123]

I live in Britain in a multi-cultural area. I fucking love international food.

[@gabbo7101]

Tbf, any alternative to bri'ish "food" is an improvement

[@ergosum5001]

It always astounds me how fascism has sprung the most from the people who were leading the charge against it just a few decades ago. It's like there is no self-awareness or introspection that hits these people and make them go: "oh wait, am I the bad guy now?"

[@xXRickTrolledXx]

Britain and Germany were different flavors of Fascism, my dude, don’t get it twisted.

[@cass7448]

Fascists don't care about ideological consistency, more news at 10.

[@domm5715]

Like who do you mean? The British?

[@terrystevens3998]

@@xXRickTrolledXx different color but the same flavor.. you think they could recognize that they don’t see the ingroup as fascist because they are part of it and unable to recognize themselves as the bad guys, they could take what this guy is saying just change white to Nazi and minority with Jew and you have a Hitler speech

[@colt9836]

Isn't Mark the guy who pissed himself over a fry commercial??

[@TrungTran-wy4nd]

Best part is when Mark call them "bloody nitwits" I was laughing so hard.

[@BunchyPanther42]

Bludie neatweats

[@Mezalla12]

It’s so weird seeing British people argue against immigration when one of their biggest cultural exports, the Premier League, has been propped up massively by foreign labor and investment.

[@DylanOgden]

How the hell is this debate considered "moderated"? I'm half way in and it's a shit-show of them talking over each other. The host hadn't opened her mouth once. Easy money in her position I guess. Step one: start debate. Step two: sleep for a couple hours.

[@lemon93]

Its Brrittny , its a 50 /50 shes scared to interject , or she accidentally muted her self or she has the debated muted.

[@moneyivo7669]

Casually thinking about how easily I, a 17 year old, would meticulously deconstruct every point they give with extreme prejudice, is aggravating yet satisfying.

[@zagreus5773]

Well, being smarter than the bottom of the barrel stupidest people on earth isn't really an accomplishment. But good for you.

[@jbc00per]

I'm just so baffled and I'm only 25 mins in, talking about an epidemic of Pakistani men doing what he said reminds me years ago I live in Wales a right wing group tried to say there was a grooming ring in a town near by of Pakistani men praying on girls. Wasn't true of course, it never is just anything grasping at straws to try and instill some sort of fear.

[@jeffc5974]

That Mark guy needs to apologize to all of his teachers for not learning a god damn thing.

[@allergicdodo7269]

"word salad" *proceeds to speak british*

[@rogerstroklund6809]

~2:13:00 Re: Lack of development in sub-Saharan Africa. Mansa Musa was from the west coast of Africa, South of the Saharan Desert, and he still stands, IIRC, as the single largest donor in history. When he went on his Haj to Mecca, he handed out so much gold along the way, to rich and poor alike, that it couldn't be used as a currency for decades after he left.

[@organization8923]

Omg somebody payed attention in 9th grade history

[@crumplepunch312]

Chat spamming that this woman was Scottish was upsetting to me.

[@donnieward6287]

Just once i wish someone would call out the moderator. "Brittany get off your phone and do your job"

[@Julez60]

5 mins in and my britophobia is going off the charts.

[@rubymeaddle]

That moderator was useless

[@daraghokane4236]

What percentage of Ireland are English dna? Do people even check that. Can we do the Irish replacement in Britain or is their dna to close

[@f1nn3a53]

*their Their is it belongs to someone like "no it's their pencil" There is a direction "the pencil is over there"

[@OneEyeShadow]

There's a ton of "French DNA" in the English population, too. Like, can you imagine being both English AND French? Poor guys. My heart goes out to them~

[@phillgornall2296]

@@OneEyeShadow xenophobia lol, me so edgy and cool :)

[@daraghokane4236]

@@phillgornall2296 the royal family has Germany dna taking it to this leave is funny and edgy as now every single person in England is not fully native.

[@stephennootens916]

My knowledge of European history and s thin, but are their any real natives in England. Didn't Roma take over the land that makes England and than after them the Normans came in and took over.

[@chariot5660]

Sometimes its really annoying being both a leftist and british.

[@lewistillett206]

There are more of us than you think

[@knowledge3743]

Vaush doing the Mark impression is so fucking funny, him being bad at it and doing more of an australian accent makes it even funnier

[@journeymanic9605]

So just in case people are wondering, not that it's really important but I decided it'd be fun to know the answer if a Nazi asked the question, black people more specifically those of West African descent are generally better sprinters because of a very very slight difference in general center-of-gravity. Their strength and stamina is pretty much even, but they have less "dead weight" (torso) to lug around while running. Conversely, Europeans tend in an opposite direction with a lower center of gravity, however this makes Europeans generally better at swimming which if Michael Phelps is any indication, we know these guys love "real world examples," they tend to do well. The key note to take from this is that most athletes are prime examples of these tendencies, the 99.9th percentile. While everyone else everywhere tends to fall into the same distribution curve biologically and intellectually speaking.

[@nargacuga05]

“We can’t build on mountains, seas, forests, etc.” ummmmmmm, yeah, if we needed to we absolutely could, and some of those homes would be fucking kick ass

[@gabbo7101]

not to mention entire civilizations and cultures exist in mountains, seasides, and forests. Hell, Europeans are affectionatly called "forest people" online sometimes, since so much of mainland europe was just snowy forests.

[@wabschall]

Point to like half of Central American culture who built like entire cities into cliffs

[@Spongebrain97]

The whole argument these types make about "dumb non white people coming into smart white people countries and ruining things" is so ridiculously stupid when now more than ever for instance you see people coming from Nigeria, India, and China immigrating to western countries and a lot have higher education and so they quickly get higher paying jobs or start businesses and become successful. Since Iv been in college for example, like half or more of my math or economics teachers were literally from the Middle East and North Africa and were 1st gen immigrants. It's also interesting that two of my former professors were Algerian and Egyptian and they interacted with all of their students, including openly LGBT ones, and there were zero issues so the added argument that these immigrants are dumb and can't get along with other people is completely false

[@farminstoltzfus]

I forget which alt-right honeypot Facebook group I was in, but that guy was a regular contributor for awhile and got clowned on with each n every post until he finally removed himself.

[@Tacklepig]

tbh the "pre-enlightenment the west wasn't that great" is only partially right. The majority of that was caused by christianity. The christian dark ages during medieval times literally fucked up all western cultures (and arguably are also a main reason why colonialism and racism even exist in the first place). Blame Charlemagne for literally committing mass cultural (and at least partially literal) genocide on european heathens. Now, the funny thing is, those christian dark ages are EXACTLY the type of shit fascists glorify and want to return to; and the enlightenment made the west better precisely BECAUSE it defied those religious taboos and dogmas. So your point still stands that these people oppose everything that actually makes the west good; it's just that your historical reference was somewhat inaccurate.

[@luxborealis]

Not sure you can complain about historical inaccuracy when your own historical info is about as historically accurate as the average r/atheism post about the Church killing Galileo. I’m not even Christian, but claiming catholicism caused the dark ages when it was the premier institutional system for collating and diffusing historical texts and scientific information is…questionable.

[@terrystevens3998]

@@luxborealis Christianity and science go together like oil and water, they lost the fight to science and then just claimed that they had loved the science all along. It’s like the GOP quoting MLK.. institutions always distort history this way, when they win they are written the victors and when they lose they are written as a framework that allowed for good to win.

[@craigstephenson7676]

If I was in the debate I would bring up Goebbels every time he brought up Soros

[@eliyugend4660]

Vavavoom's "british" accent just broke into my house and stole my shoes

[@DecayedSlav]

“It doesn’t matter whether you like the bath water or not. It’s been replaced with baked beans.” wtf 😭😭

[@lauriedolton9675]

Please don't paint all Brits with the same brush, were not all racist weirdos

[@superusseljames]

Coming from the southern U.S. I feel your pain

[@tyranno-soros8521]

After listening to the debate I'm pretty sure the nazi lady is from my city, witch is depressing

[@f1nn3a53]

*which witch is that one with the pointy hat and magic, which is like "which one would you like to order"

[@tyranno-soros8521]

@@f1nn3a53 D Y S L E X I A

[@user-sm1bi5ix6l]

@@f1nn3a53 witch still works tho

[@kidvideo14]

@@user-sm1bi5ix6l it works in that the person knows what you meant to say, but its a spelling mistake nonetheless.

[@user-sm1bi5ix6l]

@@kidvideo14 i mean like, "witch" can refer to the nazi lady.

[@AzafTazarden]

"Indigenous people from the British islands" does he mean the celts or the saxons who invaded them?

[@stonneslove4194]

Damn, the british guy sounds like an evil version of Josh Strife Hayes

[@kieranbarnes8284]

That accent IS British, for all the Americans saying it was Scottish 😆 It's a northern British accent, there's dozens of accents from England

[@pogo8050]

You’re all the same to us you teadrinking no gun having degens 😎

[@briannoel7398]

TLDR: Nazi who says "uh" a lot complains about non-nazi saying "uh"

[@Fungil_]

2:13:15 Actually wasn't the Empire of Mali in sub-saharan Africa? You know, the empire with the richest man in all of history as king, that Mansa Musa guy was so rich that he inflated the price of gold by around 5% (I think) by giving some of his gold to every poor person he met on his way to Mecca.

[@admiralwiggles7292]

It’s funny how they say that the report was posted and sealed and then pivot that the report wasn’t fully published

[@isaacbetts6035]

I would like to apologise for the existence of Laura Towler on behalf of all Yorkshire people

[@TheMeeble]

Chat dont know british accents

[@Dreigonix]

Oh hey, it’s French Fry Guy. That’s a throwback.

[@skindred1888]

There's no "replacing" churches...nobody goes to church. The country is like 50% atheist... Weird take

[@jonni2317]

"Indigenous Britts"? Does he mean like Cheddar man?

[@pwdb1968]

Cheddar man is bogus, get real.

[@jonni2317]

@@pwdb1968 are you thinking of piltdown man? He's the fake

[@steppenwolf8813]

I don't know what makes me more angry, the nazis or how bad vaush is at dark souls 2

[@thesaltybeard1793]

To be fair he is - in real time - having his brain cells genocided from listening to this debate.

[@lag2542]

Haven’t watched it all yet, but why does no one ask “What’s wrong with being a minority?”

[@Elysium_the_Bard]

In my opinion, a simple question that should utterly destroy these "great replacement" types is as such: if the white race was such a pinnacle of industry and society, as well as other races being so inferior to them, then why did they even feel the need to conquer other countries at all? Wouldn't it have been a better idea to just stay within your own little country and make a bunch of white babies? Gee, it's almost like other countries had something England desired, whether that be cheap labor from the "lesser race" populace, VARIOUS RESOURCES THAT ENGLAND DIDN'T HAVE, AND MASSIVE EXPANSIONS OF LAND TO LIVE ON?! Also, whenever these types try to dismiss "food" being a ridiculous point to bring up when it comes to diversity, just point out all the food preparation and preservation techniques that is IMPORTANT FOR MODERN SOCIETY TO FUNCTION! Fun fact: Did you know that the Buccaneers, pirates who were native to the Caribbean Sea, actually got their name from the way that they prepared their food? The method involved smoking meat (usually wild boar) in huts called "boucanes" in order to prepare stuff like smoked jerky, thus the Spanish named them "bucanero", which later became "buccaneer" (the "buccan" taken from Caribbean's Arawak word for describing the wooden frames used to smoke the meat). In fact it was the buccaneers who are credited for being the inventors of the smoking method of barbecue, if not barbecue entirely. So yeah, as a person who loves to cook and loves the history of cooking, I give a big middle finger to that Nazi and his ilk for underestimating the value of diversity within the culinary community.

[@Alex.R.L]

They want minority rule (rich white people). They want to rule the colonies from their island, they don't like it that the colonies got too close. Their minority rule protects them. They know what they did to others. They would want revenge if that were done to them. The nobility fear the serf uprising.

[@LaurentIpsum]

I'm reading a book called "The Cooking Gene" which is about the history of Africans influencing American food culture and culture in general, and man, it's interesting how pervasive it is! It's by a food historian named Micheal W. Twitty and it's a good read. I may be preaching to the choir here, and for all I know you might've already read it, but it's a fascinating read if you're interested in things like this.

[@Elysium_the_Bard]

@@LaurentIpsum I am not familiar with that, but will definitely look it up next chance I get. Right now I'm actually watching lesser known channels on youtube, like Townsends (18th Century Cooking) and Modern History TV. They usually go over not only the dishes that were eaten at the time, but also certain facts about the time period and the people that ate said food.

[@bloo9699]

painful to watch but cant look away

[@bloo9699]

does anyone know if that mark guy is a flat earther? he really sounds like one.

[@ameliafoley4156]

It's like the nazis tried to do good cop, bad cop but instead of being intimidating the bad cop was just having a meltdown

[@Play3r21]

> “here is why you’re wrong” > “nu-uh”