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[@jennanyx4968]

The flippant way he says "Play in the snow" and "dip my whip on the mayonnaise" instead of "I like sex with white girls" in an otherwise serious discussion, betrays a misogynistic disregard and cowardly dehuminazation that makes me think he only sees black women for breeding.

[@shannond1511]

You mean portrays? Idk why ppl have been saying betrays instead of portrays lately. I completely Agree tho, otherwise.

[@whereammy]

@@shannond1511 He says "betrays" because the guy is larping as a progressive.

[@liesalllies]

They mean betrays. People are saying it because it's a common turn of phrase.

[@Dreigonix]

Dr. Umar moment.

[@yourneighborhoodfriendlyme4242]

Jennanyx, you're EXACTLY right. It rubbed me do wrong when he said that, particularly, as you pointed out, in what was supposed to be the opener to a serious discussion. There's no chance he would be ok with a black woman saying and doing the same thing, btw. Bet.

[@mizarevergreen7869]

love it when ppl come on stream and they're like "don't you have questions for me?" my brother in christ the streamer doesn't know you

[@n0etic_f0x]

Also "You called me a backstabber" followed directly by "I don't consider it a problem" okay so why did you bring it up then?

[@shocknawe]

I mean, I did give your comment a like, bit doesnt not knowing someone gives you more reasons for asking them questions?

[@oddduck2003]

Let's just kill the simulation and start over again shall we because this is painful.

[@jonc3519]

@@shocknawe but he said “specifically” for him

[@Keviamaya]

Got any questions for me?

[@linzlsleepy1627]

This guy said such outrageously anti-progressive things that I don’t blame Shark for just kind of sitting there in shock.

[@Dave102693]

Hoteps being hoteps. I hate that too.

[@FelisImpurrator]

@@Dave102693 Man, the hotep thing reminds me: Ironically, hoteps are literally exactly like Mormons in that their mythical sense of national identity is based on fucking Egyptian fanfiction.

[@SimplyPutScents]

I believe people should love and be with who ever they want to. Period. But I don't think it's wrong to observe and point out the phenomenon of black people of affluence rarely choosing other black people to build families with. Black people's economic status in America is very bad due to the fact that dollars in the black community doesn't circulate within the black community in meaningful ways to lift those communities. So obviously some feel a natural frustration to seeing black people make it financially and then become allergic to other black people in relationships. I don't think people get how dramatic the rates of interracial marriage or relationships is dictated by the financial status of black men. So that seems odd. When you couple that with the history of racism in America and you recognize that many black people feel there has always been a concerted effort to make black people unattractive to each other as a method of destabilizing black families, it becomes more understandable why many feel apprehensive and even irrational when it comes to rich black men or women and their white partners. Ii don't think interracial marriage is the issue. it's the appearance that when black men make it, black women are an automatic non option.

[@Dave102693]

@@FelisImpurrator pretty much. Side note, there’s two side groups of hoteps.. The Nation of Islam and Hebrew Israelites. Oh god they are just as bad as regular hoteps or the Maoist varieties, if not worse.

[@Dave102693]

@@SimplyPutScents this

[@eelvis1674]

IM SORRY?!?! "Colourism ONLY affects people with dark skin"?!?! While talking about a tweet and an ideology expressly calling for black people to preserve darker skin tones, and by implication saying that light skin black people are "less black"

[@symphomaniac]

Colorism affects dark skin people MORE, but light skin people suffer HEAVY Colorism as well, mostly by other black people

[@Apollo-mm8bw]

They get to exist in blackness usually living through less prejudice so in a TECHNICAL sense they do experience less blackness. idk thats the only thought process i could see to defend it. But you can't say in good faith that colourism doesnt MOSTLY effect darker skin shades.

[@symphomaniac]

@@Apollo-mm8bw As I said, Colorism from other races skews heavily against darker people. Colorsism within the black community? It can go either way

[@apriljk6557]

@@symphomaniac 100% and it has nothing to do with culture. You could be raised 100% in the culture and your experiences will be erased for not being dark enough. It's extremely prevalent in Native American communities. And it often doesn't matter where your melanin comes from as long as you maintain the stereotypical "look," you're in. Darker skin people obviously have extra to deal with because they can be clocked right away by institutions like the police and the public. However, once the surrounding community knows where you come from, even light skin people can and do experience systemic racism...it just isn't only because of the color of their skin. I absolutely acknowledge I have white privilege anywhere off the reservation, usually. But people will be racist in front of me because they don't know I'm not white. It's not the same experience as my mom or darker bros, but it isn't the same as a white person's either.

[@gabriellegoodwin4422]

My friend (who is a light skinned black person) has told me how her dark skinned friends consider her “not actually black” but she also sees those very friends experience more racism than her. Colorism isn’t just hate against dark skinned people, it’s complicated.

[@jonc3519]

“I want dark skinned people like me to exist in the future.” Literally directly implies that you want future black people to breed in a certain way

[@Justme28795]

Yeah, just imagine switching black with white in this sentence. I know White pride is worse because of their power, but it's the same sentiment

[@Exedra9]

I mean it is literally the 14 words except black

[@Nyrinx]

He kept saying that its an individual choice, when its anything but that. Its a decision specifically about other people. The actions he takes will affect his kids and he'll want those kids to make the same choice. Not to mention the fact that he needs other people to make the same choice for him to do so.

[@FelisImpurrator]

This is why I never took seriously the people who insisted Vaush was too mean to people like Professor Flowers. This is the result of ideologies like hers.

[@Kropothead]

@@FelisImpurrator They aren’t meant to be taken seriously, shit is ethnonationalist brain rot.

[@nuhuhnope7579]

"Racism is prejudice with power." Sounds like someone took one year of college and didn't pay attention to the lesson.

[@kylegonewild]

It's like people who use the term "emotional labor" to describe how they couldn't be fucked to support their friend or partner during a particularly important time of need for them. Emotional labor was never about the stress and burden of supporting loved ones, it was about putting on an emotional persona for the benefit of others, particularly in the workplace where we don't really discuss the fact that pretending to be a bubbly, easy-going person in the workplace is hard if your natural state is very mild or reserved.

[@kurtacus3581]

Its also just complete brain rot. I argued with a guy on twitter who believed that and said the root cause of white supremecy is capitalism/imperialism. He said "Well who am i to judge if a white person segregates themselves from other races? It doesnt harm me" and I just...I just couldnt take how stupid he was. Also saying capitalism is the root cause of white supremecy just feels way too close to the "the Jews did slavery" narrative. Like it would only take a couple steps to go down that route

[@lallig8860]

@@kylegonewild or the people who go "it's not my job to educate youuuuu" 🤮

[@Beeg_Boy]

I love how he’s like “let’s not mix up interpersonal and institutional” while he’s the one doing that lmao

[@FelisImpurrator]

@@kylegonewild So they're conflating it with "caregiver fatigue" and ALSO overusing the term on top of that? I knew there was something fucking weird about that trend. Emotional labor sounds like it applies to some shit like a tradcon marriage where spouses are constantly held to certain rigid standards of conduct, not friends having panic attacks.

[@vicarious4231]

This is pretty much a video of a guy saying "why can't I be racist" for over an hour

[@jubilantsleep]

You’re not wrong

[@25cents11]

It’s so damn weird for people to think like this

[@Saurawr]

And over an hour of another guy saying "No, you fuck"

[@anarchium_wellsquest]

that, and the debate in between the Vaush parts /j

[@elbownio5820]

One big problem is he views that if you are light skinned, you are not black anymore. It's weird to me as an Australian indigenous person, we actually had a government policy targeted to culturally genocide and lighten our skin through eugenics. Because of this a lot of Aboriginal people are light skin all the way to white presenting, but we don't differentiate between light skin and dark skin because preserving culture is more important than drawing arbitrary lines between us, we're all indigenous.

[@italucenaz]

based, indigenous peoples with long periods of colonization (my case Latin America) usually become very miscignated over time, but the worst thing is and always will be the loss of indigenous knowledge and culture

[@mauddib696]

Absolutely Based!

[@GrayYeonWannabe]

to be fair it's weird for this dude to do this, he's basically pulling a reverse-one drop rule (aka if there is one drop of "black blood" in you, you are black. used to be in law but is still socially is accepted by the u.s. see: why barack obama is considered black but not white even though he had one black parent & one white parent)

[@FijianSouljah1312]

Doing derrr my bred 🙏🏽 😂 [-0-]

[@nigelralphmurphy2852]

different things are different. different things are not the same. things that means something in one world do not mean the same thing in another seemingly exactly the same world, as in indigenous people in white Australia vs black people in a white America, they're the same, but very different. Judge everything on its specific conditions and on a case by case basis. Different thing are different even when they look the same.

[@motomiya3310]

A big thing that pissed me off was that dude COMPLETELY misrepresented Afrofuturism. It's more about hopeful and optimistic looks into the future of Black people. It ASSUMES black people of all tones will exist in a promising future. It isn't about "ensuring dark skin people exist in the future". A lot of sci-fi works don't properly represent black people, so Afrofuturism is one way of combating that. I HIGHLY recommended looking into art and writings about Afrofuturism, free of any prejudice this guy might have placed into your head about it.

[@ezhanyan]

is that something you're interested in? maybe you'd wanna drop 101 recs

[@Dave102693]

The guy is just a hotep

[@apriljk6557]

glad you posted this

[@rowbot5555]

Give us a reading list

[@verager2493]

It's about centering black people in sci fi narratives. The people, the cultural aesthetics, and (as you said, usually) hopeful visions of what the future could mean for black people, specifically

[@embarrassedcap]

"white gays = gentrification" is the the funniest thing I've heard this week and it was worth the braincells I lost

[@DammitBobby]

This guy repeated the 14* words but black like a billion times throughout this debate but somehow he's not anti race mixing.

[@tequilasunset8628]

I think you're thinking of the "14 words"

[@DammitBobby]

@@tequilasunset8628 edited. Thanks 👍

[@BRAINSPLATTER16]

@@DammitBobby I thought that was intentional. 13 + "black"

[@dragonslaya16]

@@BRAINSPLATTER16 black is the true 14th word

[@sashalai3987]

A weapon to surpass the 14 words

[@KPOPYakuzaz]

"I'm not saying there is a conspiracy or anything" then going into a 1 hour rant about a "GLOBAL PROJECT TO ERASE DARK SKIN PEOPLE" is pretty wild lmao

[@spluff5]

It's wild to me that some people think institutional racism is the ONLY type of racism that exists.

[@Gloomdrake]

This is prolly extremely bad faith, but what are the odds that he adopted that belief so that he could be racist to mixed race black people guilt-free?

[@ProperlyGaming]

@@Gloomdrake there are a whole lot of folk that went to college learned instituional and systemic racism and then went "oh so its fine to be interpersonally racist, matter of fact thats not racism at all"

[@Kropothead]

@@ProperlyGaming Definitely a thing I see people doing.

[@TheNewblade1]

I think you're confusing people's interpretations. I for one believe it's the only kind that matters. The only argument that can be made is that continual interpersonal will breed institutional.

[@JoeDirtisawsome]

@@TheNewblade1 a white guy killing his black classmates for being black is an example of interpersonal racism. That doesn't matter to you? A white guy violently assaulting his daughter and her black boyfriend for being in a relationship is an example of interpersonal racism. That doesn't matter to you?

[@darryljack6612]

The guy going against Shark sounds like he graduated from the Professor Flowers school of thought.

[@sirusmunjak-khoury1425]

Flowerist Leninist

[@Leviathan_Art]

Brah they way they think is quite prominent in the afro community. Just like hoteps like Umar Johnson who for the record i still want to debate Dr. Richard in the "Bullpen".

[@aceyfan]

@@Leviathan_Art Your an expert in the "afro community" ?

[@cameo1013]

Tariq Nasheed Hidden Colors University

[@Gloomdrake]

@@Leviathan_Art who's Dr Richard?

[@patchhappens7575]

This guy legit got reverse psychologied into doing exactly what white supremacists want him to do. It would be funny if it wasn't so damaging and sad

[@JackgarPrime]

For real. Every time he's implying that making dark skin lighter is part of their plan I'm thinking "Have you ever heard what a white supremacist has to say about race mixing? There's a reason they push the one drop rule."

[@patchhappens7575]

@@JackgarPrime Yeah that was on my mind too. I guess the only criticism of Shark that I have on this is that it's unfortunate that he didn't ask Endless why miscegenation laws existed if race mixing is a part of the white supremacist project. My guess is that Endless would concede that it's not explicitly a part of their project but that the outcome would be the same or something, which would have lead back to Shark's "cutting your nose to spite your face point." It could have been effective in really highlighting that white supremacy is much more of an excuse than a legitimate justification for Endless' rather "weird" views on race mixing with white people specifically

[@farrahranya]

@@patchhappens7575 You should look up the black authority (Jason black). He covers a lot of this stuff in detail with articles and public opinion surveys that gets buried in the news and he evaluates white nationalist meetings and forums makes documentaries, even interviewed jarred taylor.

[@CarbonCoal]

Vaush is one of the few white lefties that isn’t afraid to call out black people being racist instead of acting like their racism is somehow progressive because it’s coming from a black person. I’m black and I felt so frustrated watching DemonMama’s reaction to this debate, seeing her agree with Endless and being dismissive of all the black and mixed people in her chat telling her that what Endless was saying is just racist. Shark did good in this debate. I don’t know where Endless and his community got the idea that the goal of white supremacy is to make everyone mixed race. I’ve never heard that one before considering racist white people see mixed people as black.

[@agenerichuman]

Honestly DemonMama has always defended such bafflingly bad ideas that I'd be more surprised if she didn't side with the position so obviously wrong, that it's wrongness is visible from space. I can't get frustrated by her takes any more. She's at least consistent in her bad takes. I find it easier just to ignore what she has to say.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

Black people literally can't be racist, what BS are you on?

[@lawrencebrown8161]

I've experienced colorism. I'm black and Puerto Rican. My father is black and dark complexion. I'm lighter toned, and last I checked still BLACK. lol and one time I was called a mixed bitch and told I don't belong by and older black woman. Shits was wild.

[@1OtherMr]

been on the same boat, some will treat us like we're subhuman

[@lawrencebrown8161]

@@1OtherMr I was shocked...everyone in the Boston community knows me and what I do for our people so it kind of upset me..I went to school in Newton mass(look it up) and never experienced anything overtly racist like that.

[@italucenaz]

I'm sorry for that, mixed race people get shit from both sides

[@thomasmackelly7685]

@@lawrencebrown8161 sounds like she was really jealous of you and chose to be bitter tbh lol

[@diegorincon4673]

Impossible. My racist worldview dictates that not a single racist black person exists. You must be lying! Now watch me deny your marginalised status by calling you white! (Despite the fact that you have two parents of color)

[@stuartsmith4369]

"Do you think that firemen are more moral than adulterers?" "I can't answer that, there can be adulterous firefighters."

[@mugsmcratmin6842]

A fire stole my firefighter husband, damn slutty fires

[@BRAINSPLATTER16]

If genocide in these weirdos' minds is when you have consensual sex, then genocide sounds pretty pog ngl.

[@Tacklepig]

That's literally what nazis claim white genocide is, btw.

[@BRAINSPLATTER16]

@@Tacklepig yep. That's what I mean. Consensual sex is POG.

[@FelisImpurrator]

Breaking: Great Replacement revealed to literally just be one ultimate gigachad banging the entire population

[@italucenaz]

I LOVE GENOCIDE (meaning: I love consensual sex)

[@diegorincon4673]

@@FelisImpurrator based

[@kevinligutom6994]

Professor Flower’s voice got super low in this debate lol

[@ChillingTales12]

That's not her

[@vapingfury4460]

@@ChillingTales12 listen carefully, she's there

[@SehrDummerAccountNam]

@@vapingfury4460 Hey, Endless does have dogshit opinions, but nothing here is actually pro-genocide.

[@asherroodcreel640]

@@SehrDummerAccountNam look man where I am it's 2:30 am, he did. He believes mix=white, how do you stop that ethno state murder. Good bye

[@Krawnbundungle]

@@SehrDummerAccountNameh you could say it’s an almost eugenicist perspective towards mixed race people - which is borderline genocidal

[@JackDespero]

Afrofuturism is not to "ensure that the African diaspora exists in the future". It is a genre in which the future is shaped by African cultures as opposed to European cultures. Black Panther is Afrofuturism in a way.

[@imacds]

Afrofuturism is one of the main themes of Cyberpunk and is common in the cyberpunk genre.

[@gilly_axolotl]

Christ, I'm glad you clarified this. That's an awesome-sounding genre

[@n0etic_f0x]

This debate was epic, Shark is a king in this debate and just does not miss.

[@aceyfan]

His initial tweet that started this debate missed real fucking hard tho.

[@n0etic_f0x]

@@aceyfan I don’t think so, it was just calling out a hideously toxic mindset.

[@aceyfan]

@@n0etic_f0x LOL he literally said that's how he felt. He wasn't calling out any toxicity.

[@zacheryeckard3051]

@@aceyfan He called out colorism and racism and being against a healthy, happy racemixed family by calling it "fatherless". That seems an accurate descriptor to me. It even applies to white people, the JP stans.

[@DemoWarlock]

@@aceyfan not at all, it is pure jealousy of a happy family

[@TheDarkendstar]

I cant tell you how damaging this is for mixed race people these ideas are so Im half white half Vietnamese my family came over during the fall of South Vietnam to the US. The fact my father married a white women tore him apart from the family I don't talk to them despite getting along okay with my cousins there has always been this searing divide because my father didn't keep the "bloodline pure" that has never gone away near the end of his life my father was disowned by the family my mother is hated and access to that side of my family and heritage is cut off from me because of the ignorance and damage these types of ideas have on people.

[@The_Chosen_Heretic]

My sincerest condolences. Its not quite the same, but I often dealt with bigotry from both black and white people, and racialized abuse from both my parents growing up. Not quite the same I understand, but bad attitude towards mixed people serves ethnic supremacy of all flavors. Its awful what happened to you.

[@25cents11]

Sorry man

[@FelisImpurrator]

This is why I take a harder line against nationalism than most leftists. It's a far more direct pipeline to reactionary thinking than even religiosity.

[@TheFenixFallen]

Damn sorry you experienced that, hope you pull through

[@richardarriaga6271]

Happens a lot to Koreans. White-Korean kids I knew back home had that happen to them. So sorry your family was so racist. Glad your cousins are growing beyond that.

[@AeonCalcos95]

When “a little look” turns into an hr and a half video. Can’t blame ‘em though, this debate was fantastic

[@Cr0de5_]

"we might have gotten off on the wrong foot" says the man who started the debate with "why'd you subtweet me bro?" when it wasn't even aimed at him

[@ChillingTales12]

Do you think bro is gender nuetral?

[@hornedgoddess8191]

Even if it mattered, black people being anti black does reinforce systemic racism by regurgitating and spreading attitudes and beliefs that justify racism. So the whole "black people don't have power to affect other black people" is even dumber.

[@DeepShadedGlassesGuy]

I can speak on this directly cuz I'm something of a black man myself💁🏾‍♂️ Memes aside, the idea that "less melanin/interracial relationships=dark skin erasure" or something is genuinely so frustrating and, as shark said, very fuckin' weird. Your dark skinned-ness is not dependent on black people avoiding interracial relationships to make you feel better. It truly is not that serious. There are way more important things to worry about than consenting individuals of different races having kids.

[@GrayYeonWannabe]

also it's a fundamental misunderstanding of how genetics works. same w some of the stuff vaush is saying. gene inheritance (and specifically the many alleles associated with melanin concentration) is more complex than just averaging out to be somewhere in the middle over time. it's possible we would have more ppl closer to the middle, but there will always be very dark-skinned ppl & always be very light-skinned ppl regardless of how "race-mixed" we are

[@justcallmekai1554]

​@@GrayYeonWannabe The guy also seems to be under the impression that his skin color is like an inherent thing (i.e essentializing his race), as a transcendent thing that being with a white person or anyone else is being "lost" or "degeneratated" rather than it just being due to the environment specific when it comes to light distribution and heat from the sun over long generations of time. It's actual pretty malleable even in individual people. He also blankets his belief into conspiracies or using facts of the world with completely ineffective solutions (Like when the guy said his family is racist so his solution is to not have mixed kids to appease them instead of removing them from his life or turning them around).

[@hj-ct2qi]

it amazes me that this guy decided Afrofuturism meant "ensuring Africans exist in the future." like he saw the word somewhere and decided to interpret it literally rather than look it up and learn anything about it

[@felixq723]

If Shark was being racist here, he was also dragging everyone without a dad. (Fatherless behavior/bullying those who have the happiness you didn't get) My dad never got to know I was going to be born (and recently, I learned he died when I was 4.) I grew up in an extremely conservative environment and I have a great deal of trauma stemming from being in that environment and not having a father. I am prone to seeing prejudice against people who don't come from two-parent, heterosexual households. I see the ways that bias goes completely unnoticed and unchecked in everyone and all of society, because it isn't an -ism, and many of the ways that has impacted my entire life. Even when I understand the person didn't mean anything by it, it sticks with me, gets filed in the same mind-box as all the rest. I barely even registered Shark's comment as a drag, and it clearly wasn't a generalization. It was a plain pointing out of the way pain gets externalized, speaking specifically to a common experience and a common way the pain from that experience is projected outwards. The dude Shark is talking to is just looking for something to be mad about, and he doesn't know nearly enough about anything he tries to talk about to come off as anything but a clown. All he does is parrot WS talking-points (but twisted in such a way that it might convince non-whites to go along with the agenda) and spread cultural misinformation (for example, Afro-futurism is *not*, in any way, about "making sure Black people exist in the future." Not even a little bit. Also, a lot of the colorism in other parts of the world came about in those cultures long before significant contact with white Europeans, and often have different origins, often linked to labor/wealth, and I don't appreciate the cultural erasure he's doing there by implying places like Ancient China and India cared at all about what the barbaric European tribes were doing.) He has no original thoughts, nor does he have anything intelligent or informed to say.

[@FelisImpurrator]

Man, this comment is such a banger it should be higher in the likes. Up you go.

[@doublechindoge7]

Thanks for the perspective and extra context.

[@shaunsmith9752]

Exactly, that's the difference between intra-personal and systemic prejudice. Systemic prejudice has a stronger and wider effect but intra-personal prejudice has the ability to hurt just as much

[@luna-p]

Well said

[@shark3ozero]

I'm really sorry if that comment came off that way I didn't want to just attack people who grew up without a father in the home

[@donjo6148]

Something about the way he swiftly mentioned more pride flags as an effect of gentrification (of assumedly black communities) tips me off He'd quite likely think that it's an effort to make black people procreate less by making them turn gay.

[@donjo6148]

He might not actually believe that but if we connect the dots...

[@greanbeen2816]

“black fascism is still fascism”

[@trithos7308]

Yeah, that's a giant red flag, ngl

[@lemon93]

Ahhh the whole buck breaking again then

[@nackskott12]

The thing that I really don't get is him saying “I just want people who look like me to still exist.” Like... I cannot relate to that at all. If there are no longer white people in the future and there's just varying shades of black and brown because of who chose to have kids with who, why would I care? It's immaterial. It's like saying “don't you think people with freckles should exist in the future?” Uhhh as long as nothing violent or eugenics-ish happens then... I don't care. What a strange thing to prioritize. Don't you think people with moles under the left side of their lip should exist in the future?

[@rainbowkrampus]

I don't even care if humans exist in the future. I can't begin to imagine caring about the average melanin density of future people.

[@DemoWarlock]

Like you would still be you, but you would look different

[@asherroodcreel640]

Genetics are complicated, probably brown will be the most common but black and white people will still exist although they will be far less common, it will be like pressing the randomizer button for traits

[@lurkingposter]

It's a sentiment common among oppressed minorities. If your ethnic group almost got genoc*ded, many poeple would feel an inherent tribalistic need to keep your ethnic group going. I understand the sentiment but gatekeeping who poeple fuck is cringe and, as Vaush has said, the same justification can be used by any ethnic group to keep their "race" pure.

[@YokaiGotha]

@@lurkingposter exactly. I understand the the feeling because of past genocides/oppression but trying to dictate who your grandkids/people in your commimunity look like always leads to bad outcomes. I've heard stories of Indigenous Canadians being ostracized from their tribe/family because they marry a white person. The only thing you're doing is limiting freedom and making your kids hate you.

[@This_Is_Great]

When Bart in Blazing saddles shouted "where are all the white women at?" The Klan members ran over because they wanted to show him 🤣

[@The8BitPianist]

This Shark guy is an absolute Chad. Wow.

[@Eveliane]

Shark Pog. Check him out! There’s a reason Vaush is called white shark

[@ergosum5001]

Shark is absolutely awesome; there's a reason why Vaush is basically just considered the White Shark

[@thisisthewaterandthisisthe3254]

@@Eveliane many people are saying this

[@jessemiller4953]

big shark fan here!! he makes me laugh everytime!!

[@Kropothead]

@@thisisthewaterandthisisthe3254 This meme is very real.

[@Dekubud]

This debate made me realize that Shark is like the fun and loving parent that become terrifying when they are mad. They remain calm and never yell, but you know they are mad and that you messed up.

[@Qjciak]

fact that the dude didnt want to respond to analogy until he identified what each element of analogy is refering to is such a huge mark of bad faith

[@jonc3519]

Or low intelligence. Probably both. Dumb people HATE analogies

[@Saurawr]

I think thats just a common thing from people who aren't used to debating/arent good at it. When a debatebro with a lot of experience and confidence is given an analogy and asked questions, they respond "yes" and "no" and then when the person says "Aha you've fallen for my trap!" they can so "No I didn't your analogy is stupid because x y z" But when someone who isn't accustomed to that hears the analogy, they KNOW its a trap - obviously. So they try to not fall into it. I don't think we should overly judge him as bad faith for that, it just means hes not very confident, not very used to debating, or doesn't have well thought out positions - or all of the above plus bad faith.

[@LDIndustries]

@@Saurawr No the guy was bad faith because he frequently avoided saying his actual beliefs which include “it’s ok to be a racial purist if you’re black”

[@Saurawr]

@@LDIndustries that's not bad faith, that's incoherency. He is holding two conflicting ideas in his head, due to his personal biases, but we all have those. He could be arguing those positions in bad faith, secretly thinking "haha this guy doesn't even know I'm Blitler" but I think he's arguing in good faith, just holding conflicting ideas he doesn't understand are conflicting and bad.

[@xXChipsAndGravyXx]

@@LDIndustries include and exclusive to *

[@thepolarphantasm2319]

Shark has become damn near Zen Master status with this one, imho- casually playing roguelike while even more casually discussing hot-button issue and not allowing either to bog him down (Summary of discussion, from Shark-Zen POV) "Why?" "... because." "Why though?" "... it is the way of things." "BUT WHY?" "... whatever comes, comes. all things must eventually pass." Homeboy could not snatch the pebble from Shark's hand, cross rice paper without leaving a trace or resist the urge to ask why he's kinda racist for thinking mixed race folks are a threat to his way of life or something. Meditation upon understanding others' ways of life and points of view (along with purity of heart and willingness to have your mind changed)... This man's attempt to fix our Sharkticon brother fell quite short due to his lack of those necessary tools.

[@Xeridanus]

Wait, wasn't Vaush the one playing Enter the Gungeon?

[@luisdaniel9542]

@@Xeridanus No, that was shark, he has said before that he has played it so much he can kind of play it kind of mindless, is his go to game when he has a debate

[@elysahatestostudy9364]

You could say he's always been... a _lone shark_

[@follower9698]

I love Shark, I'm glad I found his channel. Really funny guy and I think he did okay in this debate, but I'm not exactly a genius when it comes to arguments/debates.

[@linzlsleepy1627]

I agree. I mean, there’s no such thing as a perfect debate, but his analogies were pretty darn good.

[@evan6338]

It's hard to tell how well Shark did with such a bad faith opponent.

[@greanbeen2816]

@@evan6338 My general rule is that probably Shark did brilliantly as he is one of the best communicators on the platform. He was super clear, super concise, and did exactly what was required of him and nothing more.

[@jonc3519]

Your descendent’s skin tone is not YOUR PERSONAL CHOICE

[@Alex-pn2hn]

Yasssss give Shark all the exposure 🦈🌊🦈🌊🦈🌊

[@andrewwoods6689]

Based

[@chene-aurelgaudreau1072]

Can’t believe Vaush actually turned black for the thumbnail.

[@FelisImpurrator]

Blaush Blad

[@TheStraightGod]

2 years after voting for biden...

[@xXChipsAndGravyXx]

The amount of times this dude defends the BLOODLINE 'purity' tweet with him saying 'personal choice'. Bro you only get to choose who you fuck, literally noone else, systematically nor individually.

[@thestyguy]

Anyone talking about bloodlines unironically is hella sus

[@TheNoodleGod9001]

When it comes to bloodline purity, caring about your children's colour is like... it's fucked up, but it -is- your choice, can't force you to sleep with a different skin colour against your will or anything. Personal freedom. Whatever. But caring about your *grandchildren's* colour? That's not your choice to make anymore!

[@samaustin339]

‘Bloodline Purity’ eventually leads to Incest.

[@jackskellingtonsora]

Not only is it weird, creepy, and racist, it's also part of people not thinking of their kids as people. Kids are property. They don't have thoughts or emotions of their own. They exist to do what you want, no other reason. Therefore forcing your kids to marry a specific person IS a personal choice. It's a classic conservative argument. This is why Republicans push for "parent's rights" not "children's rights."

[@tverdyznaqs]

White shark and Black shark in one video, call it 'shark chess'

[@evan6338]

It's a god damn feeding frenzy in here

[@shocknawe]

Yeah, I tried to watch this debate thriwice on Shark’s channel, but blimey, this got me so upset in so many ways. The lad always takes all the steps in reaching the conclusion we all agree UNTIL the last step and steers all the logic away into a ditch. Also the way he talked about white women: I think there may be a way of being “fun” when talking about sex and ethnicity, but that’s clearly not it. That’s a way he shows how little he thinks of (white) women.

[@nackskott12]

Yeah ngl it's veeeery objectifying and misogynistic to describe women the way he did. He really enjoyed it too, it's the same edgy performative cruelty you see from 4channers, I hope he grows and learns to hate women a little less.

[@shocknawe]

@@nackskott12 preaching, brother, preaching.

[@s7robin105]

It would be like calling a black woman jungle fever

[@normtrooper4392]

​@@s7robin105 or a Japanese woman a waifu

[@nima2542]

It reminded me of the way weirdos call me "chocolate ___" in an attempt to compliment me. Its so fucking gross, its so fucking weird, and let a white woman say she wants a "chocolate filling" to see black twitter go full scorched earth. Absolutely foul

[@Beeg_Boy]

This guy talks like a huge misogynist and also seems like he’d view his future kids as basically his property to project his worldview onto on a side note.

[@wumbojet]

"i like to play in the snow" it's just fucking disgusting

[@normalgamergal]

He seems to see white women as nothing but a good time and black women as only breeding stock. To be fair, they didn't go over his views on women further to see if there was any more nuance, but he did not look good here in that regard.

[@brianajaxwintor6023]

You mean like parents already do?

[@brianajaxwintor6023]

@@wumbojet how is that disgusting?

[@Dave102693]

@@normalgamergal that’s like your average hotep tbh

[@midnightwalkers8077]

“ colorism only effects people are dark skin” … no it effects both dark skinned people and lighter skinned ( although dark worse). Colorism is such a problem in the back community lighter skinned black people often talk about feeling “ out of place” As my mother described it your to black to hang out with the white kids and to white to hang out with the black kids.

[@EndlessCemetery]

Your mother needs to read the dictionary.

[@quisquiliarum7710]

the fact that he thinks in a world where there are no people with black skin he "wouldn't exist" is a massive self-report that having black skin is his entire identity. which explains a lot about how he thinks

[@AkerfeldtTveitan-yi4xm]

True. It's all just projection.

[@Scooter_Alice]

I was saying this in yt chat while we were watching this, but this guy's rhetoric was practically indistinguishable from some 14 words type shit. Like don't get me wrong, the "white supremacy project" has more basis in reality than almost anything actual Nazis would say, but this guy is talking about it the same way white supremacists talk about the great replacement, Jewish question, etc. Not to mention that white supremacists aren't *JUST* anti dark skinned people, they're anti anything that isn't white. There's a reason they want to get rid of interracial marriage, and it's because they don't consider mixed race people to be white.

[@StyxTBuferd]

Exactly. His argument to me was like "if a subset of white supremacists wanted black people not to kill themselves (make up a reason, preservation of slave population), then we should do the opposite". Like this guy would think it's justifiable that black people would jump off a bridge when a white supremacist told them not to. There are white supremacists that want race mixing, and many many more who don't. Who cares- they're all retarded. If you base your freedom and your choices on whatever asinine philosophy they have about the world, you're acquiescing to their will one way or another. The best you can do is live a free and fulfilling life, that's the opposite of acquiescence.

[@FelisImpurrator]

My man rolling up with the White Man's Breedin' conspiracy theory

[@sherlocksmuuug6692]

It's also such a bizarre conspiracy to believe in. So you are telling me the white supremacy project that, in 1948, sentenced one very white looking gentleman named Davis Knight to 5 years in prison for the crime of miscegenation after he married a white woman, because his great-grandma was black, *that* system, has always been trying to erase black people by "whitening" them? And that's just one example to show how absurdly far they took their "one drop rule". Does he even believe that himself?

[@furiousapplesack]

Ah yes, that brilliant worldwide conspiracy by white people to wipe out white people. I'm surprised Shark didn't mention these points, or maybe I missed it, but he generally killed it in this one otherwise.

[@Nyrinx]

I always find it suspect when people define racism as anything other engaging in the idea of race in an affirmative way, like it isn't just a sociological reason to be awful to people

[@luna-p]

He keeps talking about personal choice and then pointing to the tweet. The tweet is explicitly about other people's choices, not the choices of the person who wrote the tweet. He's such a liar.

[@thedragondread9587]

I think Shark could've done waaay better in the debate, but the other guy was so dishonest and so bad at being slippery that Shark still won. PD: I'm dumb and I hadn't made the connection that Shark IS playing a game which requires plenty of attention and that's why he was a bit absentminded during the debate.

[@Qjciak]

i think that shark is just very chill and nice so it doesnt come to him naturally to just obliterate someone in a debate without mercy

[@thedragondread9587]

@@Qjciak yeah he also looked tired to me so I don't blame him

[@urbmna87]

I thought he was angry and came in hostile and sometimes that blinds you to the obvious stuff.

[@thedragondread9587]

@@urbmna87 really? I think he should've been more hostile

[@Joshvs3]

agreed, Shark dropped the ball on this one even if Endless was a trash debate guest

[@usucculentcow2988]

This meme is very real

[@nackskott12]

Thank you Marge

[@tigerguy529]

So true, Marjorie

[@wungadunga5099]

Many people are saying this.

[@Wendy_O._Koopa]

I've argued with people like this. It's just so frustrating when your opponent isn't smart enough to hold a consistent opinion. No matter how many angles you come at the topic from, or how many different ways you try to explain it, they just sort of repeat the same incompatible world views they had when you started. Programs like Cleverbot can pass the Turing test these days, why can't certain humans?

[@eelvis1674]

It can't just be me who finds the phrase "play in the snow" and other euphemisms (usually sexual) used to describe white people very gross. (I know this exists for all groups, but I think people are a lot quicker to call it out when white people do it)

[@josephinehendricks]

Yeah it came off very fetishizy and objectifying. Like he only sees white women as fuckmeat and black women as breeding stock

[@jdprettynails]

100%. I'm glad Shark called it out.

[@vladimirputin110]

It is very gross. However endless is clearly a racist so no surprise he thinks that way.

[@dellybird5394]

Yeah it is nasty and meant to be degrading, no matter which group it's used on. Imagine comparing someone you had sex with to mayonaisse, chocolate, or any other food/object. You can't hold respect for that person while also talking about them like that.

[@justcallmekai1554]

​@@dellybird5394It's like calling having sex with a black woman "catching Jungle Fever" (Basically calling her a monkey) or calling some Asian woman "Your little Waifu" like she's some fictional character and not a real person. Alot of racist ppl fetishize the group they dont like. Go look on a Chan board about porn as example. They think they're both good for a quick fuck when your bored. Nothing else.

[@sicily9766]

I’m not saying the consequences are equal, but it sure felt like colourism to me when I was in a room full of (dark skinned black) girls at a coworkers birthday party and one of them was loudly going on and on about how light skinned black girls (such as myself) are the worst, cocky, annoying bitches, how much they hate them, etc. Not systemic but sure was hurtful to me. Also, I would say that colourism affecting darker people is relative, being that who is considered “dark” depends on who you’re comparing them too. Next to my white family members, I’m dark, despite being light next to my black family members. So even in that sense, no, it doesn’t simply target some objective “dark skinned” group of people

[@litkeys3497]

Ugh not the prejudice + power thing again

[@rainbowkrampus]

It's the dishonesty that gets me. This guy knows he's just covering for his bigotry.

[@Tacklepig]

Honestly, I wish the left would abandon that shit altogether. Because it's literally always wrong to imply that a group doesn't have power - any group is always made up of individuals, and unless there's ACTUAL systemic oppression going on, you will always find examples of individuals within the group who do hold power. Literally the only time it's useful to think of people in groups is when you're making a broad strokes critique of society as a whole.

[@Beeg_Boy]

I love how he’s like “let’s not mix up interpersonal and institutional racism” after applying that definition to an example of interpersonal racism lmao

[@rockmycd1319]

It exists as a cop-out and nothing more.

[@Keldrath]

@@rockmycd1319 It's used as a cop out to excuse racism they don't want to acknowledge but it's not just a cop-out it's an actual lesson that they never understood the meaning of.

[@ravenhopkins347]

I joined the stream a little after this started and had no idea the guy shark was talking to was black. I genuinely thought this guy was a eugenics white supremecist until I it came up later and I think the fact that I couldn’t tell is such an indicator

[@trustypatchy2720]

"have you heard of afrofuturism?" have you heard of eugenics and the nazi party?

[@The_Chosen_Heretic]

He’s grossly misrepresenting afro-futurism.

[@diegorincon4673]

@@The_Chosen_Heretic like Professor flowers. Afrofuturism is about expanding the influence of African culture Land back is about receiving resources and Economic power within the USA

[@hollytastic]

Beauty standards have been shifting for a while now. I say this as a ghostly pale white girl who was in high school during the end of the first decade of the 2000s. Being that pale was not desirable to teens. Really old people would say “such beautiful skin” (which often made me cringe tbh) and anyone younger than that would be like “gross I can see your veins”or “you practically glow in the dark.” I just want a world where everyone can feel beautiful in their natural existence. Beauty comes in all shades, shapes, and sizes.🥰 That aside Shark based and very cool.

[@edd8390]

The random "I drive a Forklift" is so funny to me. Everyone I worked with when I drove a forklift always had headphones in listening to music or podcasts. I legitimately found Vaush and other leftist content creators while working there

[@imlaughing2death]

I swear this guy mentions his job and being a "prole" in every debate he's in.

[@munchkingod6]

That whole ass conversation I just kept going.. “if I said I just want to ensure that in the future there are WHITE KIDS and that people who look like ME and have MY beautiful white skin exist” every single person who isn’t a shit stain would be like FUCK THATS RACIST. How hard is it to accept that having deep emotional attachment to skin color is not a great position?

[@infinitivez]

I really wish people would stop adding the entire power pivot, as if racism can't be racism if you don't have some power over the other person. It's the entire reason we bring to the front systemic racism vs racist actions/rhetoric. The jackass on twitter isn't any less racist, just because he has no power to enact his twisted thoughts.

[@gordongordonlife]

Yeahhh…unsubbed to EC after this debate where he exposed himself as a “highest quality melanin” supremacist…and subbed to shark for good measure

[@OreoConsumer769]

Wanting your bloodline to be a specific race implies that you internally see being of one race over the other as a virtue. If you want that for you, godspeed you mad bastard, but there's a difference between having a preference you're keeping to yourself, and tweeting it to thousands of people as a prescription.

[@ST-xw3cv]

Yeah, Tucker Carlson and the Nazi brigade agree with this guy. They also don't like race mixing. And when you have an opinion that literal nazis agree with, you need to reevaluate your opinion.

[@aceyfan]

Yep and keep that same energy for Shark, because his tweet that started this debate Tucker Carlson would agree with too.

[@BRAINSPLATTER16]

@@aceyfan tucker Carlson would be anti-racist?

[@zacheryeckard3051]

@@aceyfan No? Tucker isn't okay with leaving mixed-race couples alone and okay. FOH, dude.

[@aceyfan]

@@zacheryeckard3051 "when you have an opinion that literal nazis agree with, you need to reevaluate your opinion." Shark's tweet is something that racist white folks agree with. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.

[@kylegonewild]

@@aceyfan I mean, he'd agree insofar as he likes to insult black people. He doesn't agree that mixed-race kids are okay and that your skin color should have nothing to do with how you approach love, intimacy, and procreation.

[@RevolutionaryLoser]

At 1:26:00 when he starts using the color of his skin to steal valor from gay people, suggesting that homophobia suffered by black gay people somehow harms him too, I just found that very classy. That's a level of homophobia I didn't think was possible.

[@humbertoramirez8165]

Dude was making the great replacement theory in reverse, lol. He thinks his color is getting genocided by getting nookie?

[@LDIndustries]

Big red flag right out the gate. This cemetery guy was very intense on how he did not explicitly call shark racist which eventually comes back later when cemetery argues that there is no prescriptive statements because the tweet did not explicitly say the words “it is bad that the skin color got lighter”. Also this guy is the statement “racism equals prejudice plus power” personified. He’s just as smug and just as misinformed.

[@princessjello]

The thing is, genetics is wild. my sister looks more SEA than any of my family to the point where her classmates didn't believe her when she said what her ethnicity was. we had a single SEA great-great-grandmother. This whole argument is so dumb when you take actual genetics into consideration!!

[@Killroy007]

It really is weirdge

[@NuRm69]

this guy is the black Nick Fuentes

[@jonc3519]

Had dude never heard of the one drop rule?

[@luna-p]

Clearly not

[@CollinGerberding]

Shark is in my constant rotation. It's clear he pays attention and can put some legit thoughts together.

[@pikapowns]

Shark is very good and I like his debates a lot. Vaush would have written him off as crazy and just had fun with the conversation since he knows there is no convincing him. Shark always tries to get a deeper understanding of his opponent's ideology and let's us peer far more into the abyss.

[@jdprettynails]

Anytime a particular topic is trending either Shark, Vaush or Xanderhal show up on my feed covering it. Then I'll watch all three.

[@CollinGerberding]

@@pikapowns I think that's a big part of it. He's not afraid to go in, ever. Even if it's a "waste of time". He does the work.

[@eelvis1674]

AND... he's homophobic. How did I fail to see that coming

[@bootyspoon4675]

he's bi too. Dude is all kinds of confused and self-hating, he projecting that on to shark.

[@italucenaz]

I must have miss that or just didn't gave importance, do you have the time stamp?

[@eelvis1674]

@@italucenaz it was when he was talking about gay people "using gentrification" to "centre themselves" in previously black spaces. Very sussy

[@TheLameboss]

@@eelvis1674 They do

[@eelvis1674]

@@TheLameboss ok homophobe

[@bloo9699]

So far the only thing I've seen of endless cemetery is his 2 faced hotmic dylan thingy and this. Yikes

[@omgitsdannyk9478]

I’m taking a class rn learning about Afro futurism and he is COMPLETELY fucking wrong about what that means

[@LJStability]

Wow, this really took a turn about 30 minutes into the debate. I was reading a book on this very topic and the essentialist attitude of racists is a big give away. In fact, I think that is a good question to ask up front to determine whether a person holds some version of a racist or white supremacist ideology. It's really ironic that there is so much in racism that still isn't taught. I feel like I'm learning more on the history and development of racism has made me see a lot of things in a different light. Or more importantly, be able to identify blatantly racist ideas cloaked with modern rehashes to avoid sending of the bad vibe alarms that white supremacists dread.

[@godocs11]

Should've aske EC if, "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for black children." sounds legit. I have a feeling he's cool with it.

[@YomiTheBeast]

The “I like to play in the snow,” comment took me out. Dude has been listening to Dr. Umar a bit too much 😂😭

[@s7robin105]

It really is just the great replacement theory but for blacks. Exact same arguments and talking points about “a grand plan”

[@twobitdork952]

It really does seem like he thinks white supremacy is a “Undercover Brother” level conspiracy.

[@rockmycd1319]

No wonder black and white supremacists get along so well.

[@SuperAsefasef]

Fun fact about what we notice first about people. Psychology has studied this pretty extensively and the thing people notice quickest is facial expression. When given photographs of people and asked to identify quickly whether they were smiling or not people were much quicker than when asked to quickly identify whether someone was black or white. So when people say the first thing you notice about someone is their smile they aren’t lying.

[@joebonar]

"Do you or do you not want people who look like us to exist in the future?" - for once, not a white guy.

[@kaydenl6836]

43:45 he believes in the “Great Replacement™️”, just literally role reversed LMAO

[@nubblednubbles3107]

me disappearing after he said black queer people don't exist.😶‍🌫

[@dawildbear]

Vaush has bad opinions on Spy Kids 3D.

[@asherroodcreel640]

Spy kids 3D stole my ability to feel

[@rockmycd1319]

@@asherroodcreel640 that’s not a bad thing

[@pastamondays1712]

26:35 I’ve grown up around or under the poverty line my whole life, and spent much of my life on the “bad side” of town. No one wants to be there. Everyone is trying to find a way out, or at least get their kids out. You can be proud of where you come from without dismissing the bad

[@teamjacob2388]

1:27:00 was a very simple answer. In Jamaica black ppl get treated better than gay ppl bc the culture is extremely homophobic. He was being so intellectually dishonest

[@thatyoutubechannel9953]

Whiteness is an exclusionary classification, this guy is trying to make blackness the same

[@lawrencebrown8161]

He's also ignorant because it's not the race he's looking for he really wants a darker complexion for his family. Darker complexions are in all races.

[@italucenaz]

there was prejudice with people with darker skin all over the world in a lot of societies, and they are still out there, just because miscigenation and colorism exists, doesn't mean people with darker skill will disappear, the idea of every single human being having the exact same skin tone after decades or centuries is ridiculous

[@eelvis1674]

I think some black people far overestimate the amount of their culture can be attributed to their collective shared oppression. If we snapped our fingers and all people looked the same, they would continue to live their lives largely as before, much more import to your culture is your class and the conditions of your local area. Black people in LA and in rural Alabama both experience some crossover in oppression. But they have most of their culture in common with the black people in their local community, and beyond that more with locals of the same class but of different races.

[@embluvya]

Lol at them finding it difficult to imagine a place where black people are treated better than gay people when its well known that multiple countries in Africa still have the death penalty for being gay. He's talking about global blackness but is very clearly centering his views in america.

[@javiervalenzuela8284]

When people say, "well it's because they're also victims so they're perpetuating it" when it comes to this or women who support patriarchy, how is that different than saying, "well poor whites who are bigoted in every fashion are so because they're poor and victims themselves." The fact that it's within the same subject doesn't actually matter, we aren't taking about textbooks here we're talking about people, and the way things affect then and shape their lives and perception.

[@MagusMirificus]

I've been saying this forever. The Left totally got on board with "You don't need to consider yourself bigoted to uphold systemic bigotry, it perpetuates itself through the unwitting participation of the masses", yet the subject of bigotry towards the group you belong to is not even in the realm of possibility for most of them. If a white person says casually anti-black things without being consciously racist, we still call them racist because we recognize they are *contributing to the overall process of racism*, yet "Fuck Candace Owens" is often treated as an inherently racist sentiment because it fails to recognize the systems at work which perpetuate her bigotry, *even though white bigotry is perpetuated by those same systems*.

[@eccentriastes6273]

It seems so superficial to care about whether people who "look like you" exist in the far future. Vain even.

[@trithos7308]

I can't wait for us all to be one ethnic blob, so people can shut the f*ck up about ethnical supremacy.

[@blubox2424]

Colorism definetly does not only affect those with darker skin. I've been called a mutt, spoiled milk, etc, and ostricized from most of my community. If i do something wrong the whole family function is on my ass with 'see, you on that lightskin behavior' or 'that's yo white side talking' Like mfks the most recent mix we have in the blood is vietnamese and mexican what are you even talking about😭 It's almost as if....colorism was impleneted specically.. in order to pin us against our own people

[@Dinobot2]

at 46:45 I'm pretty sure the "Anti-black behaviour" that Endless is referring to is Shark's tweet that played on black stereotypes about fatherlessness.

[@FreyjaHerself]

Ive only just begun but this debate might be my favorite ever. Shark is just so to the point. No funny business he came to defend his god damn honor.

[@kalameet6504]

this guy's idea of minority based oppression is the food chain chart from Shark Tale

[@bignovakane4108]

Wait... There's vaushites that don't fuck with Shark?!? SHARK POG

[@josephinehendricks]

Vaush is just white shark. A Whark if you will

[@bignovakane4108]

@@josephinehendricks Many people are saying this

[@inafridge8573]

I LOVE the way shark debated this. He doesn't make an attempt to clarify things further than he has to. He gets asked a question he already answered / that doesn't warrant a detailed response and he just says "Yes" or "No". Or they say something he's already addressed and he just says "Okay." He comes across as entirely unhurried and secure. Like a wall, like Vaush said.

[@luna-p]

This dude does not understand how genetics or evolution works! It's painful.

[@hughquigley5337]

Holy shit, Shark handled this like a fucking Buddhist monk. The amount of patience and self-restraint he exhibited was legendary. Whenever EndlessCemetery said something particularly unhinged, Shark was just like "ok" because honestly that's the best you can do when confronted with the most batshit insane ideas imaginable. Shark really gave it his best shot at trying to explain why this guy was wrong, but like you can only do that so many times, right?