Watsonville, California - 100' Tiller - Rosenbauer

[@boahneelassmal]

"We need to easily move around tight city corners" _orders longest available tractor trailer_

[@HayK47]

bruchpilot747 so you didn’t know that tillers are more maneuverable than shorter ladder trucks?

[@boahneelassmal]

So you didn't know that there's steerable rear axles?

[@HayK47]

bruchpilot747 which 100’ ladder trucks have steerable rear axles? Besides, a straight vehicle with a steerable rear axle couldn’t carry as much equipment as a regular ladder truck or tiller. How much weight do you think you can put on 4 tires?

[@MrMcbear]

@@boahneelassmal not on any available single or double rear axle aerials.... you're either rear/mid mount aerial or tiller.

[@mattk741]

@@HayK47 2:46 note the rear wheels are turned the opposite direction

[@jimbateman225]

I drove an American LaFrance 100 ft tiller in the 70's. Loved being the tiller driver..like a boat. And only other tiller drivers know what I mean. Never had any problem getting into any situation. Biggest problem was civilians who would stop in front of us...Just to watch.

[@romanf5666]

nice to see, the Austrian company is also building this style of fire tiller trucks...regards from Vienna!

[@lorenz1281]

macht einen schon stolz zu sehen dass auch die meisten flughäfen weltweit mit rosenbauer panther ausgestattet sind👌🏼

[@centralnewyorkresponses7887]

0:31 their name is lit. Lit like a party!!

[@brandonwilson4281]

🔥🍼👯💏💑💰🔥💡🍼🇺🇸👙🚓👩‍🚒

[@LSM_OPTiX]

Brandon Wilson lol true

[@stevenandrews6627]

Man! Beautiful looking piece of kit!!!! I'm impressed with all the thought that went into the little things that make a difference ie: rollers in the ground ladder bay & the chainsaw recepticals..👍👍👍👍

[@DoctorDispatch]

What a beautiful truck!

[@KKEM641]

Nice looking rig, my grandparents lived in Watsonville, so even I live in Kansas City, MO I know where it is, I even have a photo of an old Crown pumper from there.

[@matthewsanchez5374]

I work for watsonville, and we still have that crown in our museum.

[@keithmayhew2161]

Thank you for sharing..Nice video & nice fire truck..So,that's what it's called a "Tiller"..cool..

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

Rosenbauer America, here's one question for you: Why does Rosenbauer have such a poor reputation, known as Rosenbroken for many fire-fighters. Many people are not happy with them. In contrast to that I don't hear that much negative arguments on apparatus made by other Rosenbauer divisions across the world. Apart from the AT3 generation which got popular for relatively many apparatus having quite some problems after a short time being in service (but still, it's sold in such great numbers that one can still say it's very very successful), other Rosenbauer apparatus don't even have problems in such great numbers as the AT3 has or had. No matter if we talk about Tower Ladders or Telescopic Platforms, Engines, Heavy Rescue Trucks, Tankers or any kind of special operations appartus Apart from that I'm still surprised by the layout of some American fire apparatus in general, with this Tiller giving a good example: enormous truck but still no platform; then the simple fan instead of an AC and last but not least: the need of a 2nd guy steering the rear, instead of automatic or manual rear-wheel steering as it's common and available for a long time already

[@mikegaskin5542]

You don't have any data with which to compare the reliability of Rosenbauer vs. other brands. All you have is a bunch of anecdotes. People will tell you that KME is junk, E-One is junk, even Pierce lately is junk. The only one of the US custom-chassis brands that never gets dismissed as junk is Seagrave, and then the complaint is that nobody can afford them. Until there is some hard data available for comparing reliability, I don't want to hear about it.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

@@mikegaskin5542I have some examples, but not precise numbers as they don't really exist, right? Small example from a city here: they had a 1985 Tanker in service until 2013; It then got replaced by a Rosenbauer AT3 Tanker ... from 2013 to 2016 there were 4 different Tankers in service as some lasted less than a year although running only few calls as it's not a 1st due apparatus. Bad luck? Maybe. I moved to another city, and they replaced their old Rescue Engines by new ones: both AT3 Rescue Engines were back in the repair shop before even being in service. I heard of problems of that extent only from that model, not from other Rosenbauer apparatus, but it seems like also the AT3 got better by now. When scrolling through facebook groups and youtube comments I hardly see someone complaining about e.g. Pierce, E-One or any other American manufacturer, but almost all comments concerning Rosenbauer apparatus are somehow negative ... I have never seen an American Rosenbauer truck by myself, but that opinion must be based on some (negative) experiences, right? Serious question: how do you measure the reliability? Do you look at total numbers or put them in ratio, do you measure driven distance, number of calls, time spent on scene, time of actual on-scene activity like pumping / operating tools / ladder etc, do you rate both the chassis and manufacturer's body system together or only the body system, time until sth needs maintenance and repair, ...? There are so many factors and some of them can't be compared at all. Biggest issues I see when comparing different brands: some bring out an entire truck, some are built on a commercial chassis. Can hardly compare e.g. a Pierce on a Pierce chassis with e.g. a Rosenbauer, which might be on a Mercedes-Benz, MAN etc chassis. Same goes for Aerials...

[@mikegaskin5542]

@@EnjoyFirefighting If you watch a lot of Rosenbauer videos, you will hear a lot of Rosenbauer complaints. But if you lurk on forums and other places where American FFs spend their time, you will hear plenty of complaints about the other brands too. We can easily measure availability as a proxy for reliability. We do this by calculating how many hours per year the truck should be available for calls (all hours in the year - time spent on foreseeable scheduled maintenance during the year). Then we compare that to the actual number of hours the truck was available. Fire departments either do not collect or do not publish this information, so we enthusiasts have nothing to go on.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

@@mikegaskin5542 apart from complaints based on actual incidents (like wheels falling off etc) at those brands, I see a negative opinion on Rosenbauer apparatus even without such incidents or problems; Many people have Rosenbroken in their mind even if they didn't work on such a truck so far. Thanks for the insight on measuring the reliability. Makes sense to some point, however I also see one problem: take two apparatus which are in service 24-7 for an entire year. Nr. 1 is a front line apparatus running basically all calls, while Nr 2 runs only few calls. Then apparatus 1 has e.g. 10 technical problems or failures within a year, while apparatus 2 has 10 technical problems as well although running a much lower number of calls, but still being ready at the station 24-7 as well. How do you take that into account? Of course apparatus 2 is less reliable then, but looking only at the time it is available and counting the problems, both would be on the same level, right? Some departments publish quite insightful things, especially in annual reports and townhall discussions. Thus the emergency services in the city where I grew up isn't capable to handle a worst case scenario, that's what they say themselves. The FD has the state's largest station, but some apparatus are simply missing and aren't purchased so far

[@Micsmit_45]

I mean, in Germany they are quite infamous aren't they? Loads of plastic where Ziegler for example uses more durable materials. Not to mention that all other department I've talked to have had troubles with their Rosenbauers in the past which they didn't with their Zieglers

[@brianjugos]

I'm from watsonville and I've seen this truck around town its pretty nice

[@williamroh6182]

then they'll send this to a medical call

[@rp1645]

William I have always thought Y don't thay get a SUV. to use on medical calls and respond from medical call to truck for full man power. Only if truck has full crew. I know Departments that use ladder crew to man AID van it responses with all ladder calls.

[@dannyjones4343]

William Roh I was working the other day and had a call out come out for apartment flooded with water coming out from the sink and Tub and I shit you not they sent one of these to the call I thought we had a fire when I seen it pull up

[@robertmcsorley4001]

@@dannyjones4343 Are you aware of the types of equipment that are carried on fire apparatus? Ladders carry a very wide variety, firefighting, salvage and overhaul, EMS, all rescue scenarios. We could perform any type of operation with what we carried on the ladder. EMS normally was done by the engine. But if they were out, we'd get the run. To someone that mentioned running EMS on a small vehicle, the majority of paid departments don't like splitting up the company. Especially in busy districts.

[@jackmorrison5875]

From westside Santa Cruz. Gotta check this beast out in person sometime.

[@darrens.4322]

Great looking truck (quint). Very good video production. The only negative I would say is only a 200 gallon water tank. I realize you are trying to keep weights down, but to qualify as a quint, I think it should have 300 gallons.

[@CShivery]

It's likely that they specced it out that way. They built a quint for Baltimore County, MD about 10 years ago that (1) didn't have enough hose and (2) didn't have enough ground ladders to qualify as a quint by NFPA 1961 specifications, but it was what the department wanted. It even had a seat on the turntable, which is one of the stupidest features to put on a turntable, because you're not going to sit down to move your aerial ladder.

[@leokr4877]

Oh Snap!!! Meanwhile everywhere other than US/Canada having a seat on the turntable is absolutely normal

[@pjt759]

Beautiful

[@emergcon]

Sooo. Our 100 foot ladder is half the size of truck with way more equipment 😂 why is stuff in America always so incredibly huge. The longest ladder in the world, 230 feet, is smaller 😂

[@rootbeer9908]

emergcon we build everything heavy duty

[@emergcon]

@@rootbeer9908 raising my eyebrow in unimog....

[@rootbeer9908]

emergcon raising eyebrows in Abrams m2

[@CallsignDagger4]

We are proud to have a bigger stimulus package in everything we build in America. 🇺🇸❤️🤍💙

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

@@rootbeer9908 shall I bring a 367' Telescopic Platform in the game, or actual tanks used for fire and rescue operations?

[@jamesrader3329]

That's an awesome truck. Love it.

[@runarandersen878]

I wanted to see the latter up.

[@rammergramps]

wow i love that turning circle

[@T177-u7f]

Why Americans need so big trailers for their ladders? In Germany we have 105 feet Ladders(32m) on normal trucks. Or do I misunderstand something?

[@snowshoe3274]

Difference in fire code. In Germany high rises are mandated to have at least two independent protected stairwells, so that you have your first and second escape route without placing a ladder. In the US thats depending on the state/region. Therefore these vehicles are required in some places.

[@ccalmanii5225]

@@snowshoe3274 are these trucks higher than the normal ones in Germany (32m)? Also I get that more people fit their and they have more equipment than the ladder trucks here but it is still big af.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

@@snowshoe3274 these Tillers reach the same height like the standard Aerial (most are 105' rear-mount Tower Ladders) in Germany; And ground ladders are carried by Engines in Germany, not on Tower Ladders

[@T_j718]

gotta love tiller firetrucks

[@Alex_Eicher]

3:00 "hose load door to help load some hose"

[@GentiluomoStraniero]

Its the best way to put hose in their place...

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

@@GentiluomoStraniero some European trucks with hose beds came up with hose recovery systems so the crews don't have to drag the hoses and put them into the hose bed

[@cody_janssen831]

Meanwhile my fire department has a 50 year old fire truck

[@ThunderTrain2930]

I love how the A is built INTO the bumper

[@DeafDiver]

I'm not firefighter but I think it's beautiful truck :)

[@comment2009]

Don't know anything about the company nor reputation, but if I were speccing out any apparatus, items I liked were chain saw holders; clean ladder (underslung water delivery); rollers for the stick ladders; remote monitor control. A monitor mounted thermal camera accessible to the remote operator would be nice. Appears they sacrificed 300 gl water for more storage. Ladder looks wide enough to slide a rescue basket down. Side mounted cameras nice but, drivers must understand it is a tool. One does not drive solely by using side mounted mirrors. The company did not demo the stabilizer jacks. The person kept mentioning the auto stow feature. I would think any new ladder unit would have that feature. Again as an assist tool, not a hit the button and walk a way to go roll up hose.

[@Acepilot235]

Agreed on the auto-stow, I can only imagine what damage it would cause if something were to go wrong whilst it wasn't being watched/supervised during it's auto-stow.

[@imwaytogoodlookingtobeyour1188]

Can that trailer be towed by a normal semi....also can that fire truckbtow normal semi trailers

[@bohemoth1]

We are currently looking for a TILLER ladder that will navigate through the small streets of Puerto Rico. We are a Volunteer Fire Brigade in Western Puerto Rico.

[@sigsourr]

Contact rosenbauer directly, they won’t check the comments

[@RedHeadForester]

Everything in the USA is so gigantic compared to stuff here in the UK! This wouldn't even fit down a significant portion of British roads. But its still a cool machine!

[@LS1SGD]

Why didnt they use our German Ladders or our "Telskopmast Feuerwehr"? They are smaller but can reach the same high or higher

[@rpietros]

Cuz merica

[@dirkjaniak2347]

Because the tip load of this ladder is the same at all angles and extentions unlike Euro aerials. Also European ladders have only limited compartment space and zero ground ladders or pumps or a water tank.....and tied spaces in 'merica are not as tied as they are in Europe.

[@snowshoe3274]

Because american firefighters have different needs and bigger roads. So they can build bigger, carry more equipment and have heavier trucks. Plus an aerial tower without a ladder is no good as a means of escape.

[@ccalmanii5225]

@@dirkjaniak2347 here in Germany we have also some trucks with a ladder+ crew cabin+ 6000 liter water tank+ technical equipment and they still don't seem that big?

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

@@dirkjaniak2347 Not quite correct: it simply depends on how the specific FD in Europe specs its Aerials. Some have mid-mounted pumps, some are designed as Quints and thus also carry the full complement of pump, tank and equipment like a normal Rescue Engine. The standard Tower Ladder in Europe doesn't carry ground ladders, that's correct ... in most places these are carried by the Engines, Rescue Engines, Portable Pump Trucks etc

[@LFMotorhead]

See. This rig running code 3 by my work many times.

[@rp1645]

Such a Beautiful truck ( right to call it a truck not ladder) great color 2. Beautiful as areas grow thay need the rear wheel steer to get around tight streets.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

would be even easier with a shorter truck and all-wheel steering

[@rp1645]

@@EnjoyFirefighting Yes. We just got 2 - 75 foot ladder boom. With rear wheel steer. I'm not a FF just do thel Iight maint on support service ( rehab) We get payed will and support also.

[@rp1645]

@@EnjoyFirefighting I ment wildland. Fires sorry.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

@@rp1645 we hardly have any of the shorter 60 Ladders or Tower Ladders in service any more over here, the most common ones are 105' rear-mount Tower Ladders. Many of the new ones have all-wheel steering already, even some Engines have all-wheel steering and Mobile Cranes do so as well

[@syedowais1607]

Wheeling and glen Ellyn has a rosenbauer engine and a tower

[@ericmac564]

We bought 4, a quint and 3 engines. All have spent as much time in the shop as in service. Never again.

[@jeffclark7425]

Eric Mac what was some of the problems

[@ericmac564]

Paint issue, wildly inaccurate pump gauges, any number of electrical gremlins, ladder rack lock failures....

[@Acepilot235]

@@ericmac564 The rosenbauer rescue pumper my dept. has will occasionally give some ridiculous pump numbers, as well as sometimes the hydraulic connection ports at the front bumper for our hurst tools won't work sometimes. It really hasn't been proving itself to be reliable.

[@isaiahwilleford4618]

Jeez I’m sorry to hear that sounds like you got a lemon

[@ericmac564]

John Halsey 4 lemons... similar issues with all four.

[@davidpine2003]

This may be a stupid question but why would there be a trailer in the middle?

[@jerrysouthside8597]

Stupid question here but what’s the point in having hitch points along side the truck

[@carlosvalentinlarraula6671]

hola soy operador de escalera y busco informacion de un modelo pirs soy de argentina gracias

[@rickslife]

Impressive. Most impressive.

[@AJ-Palermo]

Im curious. Do you need a driver's license to steer the rear section? It's not driving, just steering. You'd need training and practice of course, but theoretically would it be legal to steer without a license?

[@timengineman2nd714]

How long is the extended ladder? How many building stories can it access???

[@brianward7550]

I'm guessing 100ft

[@DByers-ci5kr]

I watched the video. He said it's a 100 ft ladder. So it should be able to reach the roof of a 8-9 story building or extend horizontally 93 ft.

[@timengineman2nd714]

@@DByers-ci5kr Thanks, I've seen rigs listed by what their working height is, as well as their total height is...

[@jimbateman225]

Never could understand having a 200 gallon tank with a 1000gpm Hale Pump. Nobody liked to work at HALE PUMP in Conshohocken, Pa. No place to park without getting a Ticket????😁😁😁

[@blainenodes8182]

A comment:1950 st Paul fd bought 11 mack type 95 engines &1 heavy squad type 95,local paper showed mayor received keys to all #11 rigs and Mack reps received a ✓from city of St Paul for:150.000$ ..15 g ea!we got 25-30 yrs service from all 11 macks🤯👍🔥

[@taofledermaus]

Spending your property taxes like drunken sailors.

[@sigsourr]

City’s gonna waste the money either way, might as well get a decked out rig

[@808G8GT]

Well if you ever have an emergency please don't call 911.

[@k0smon]

Diesel generators are louder than you can yell. We got rid of ours and put in a Honda gasoline generator.

[@lowrider5140]

:56 "200 gallon tank with a 1500 gallons/min pump..." am I missing something here. Or is the truck out of water in 8 seconds?

[@Recovering_Californian]

Nope ... truck needs to hook up to a hydrant.

[@dmac5497]

Tillers typically run as part of a "taskforce" usually with another type 1 pumper, the pumper will "hook" the hydrant, and "supply" the aerial, the 200 gallons is enough to charge the waterway and initiate fireflow as a water supply is established.

[@lowrider5140]

@@dmac5497 boom. The answer I was looking for. Thx

[@rossthompson4990]

Exactly what D Mac said. Those 200 gallons are essentially just to prime the pump, and to start flowing some water. While the truck is being hooked up to a hydrant or another engine.

[@ptech88]

The peasant can never give enough. Keep spending boys

[@WLAs_Finest3x]

That's a nice lookin' tiller. L.A. City Fire should have ordered this instead of the Pierce. This would have been better with the truss design of LTI on the aerial ladder.

[@thebomberman864]

Wow

[@matteo9212]

Warum nimmt man nicht einfach eine normale 2-Achs Drehleiter?

[@johndewitt4648]

Weil Amis meinen großes Auto = besser

[@bichngocle5074]

Cool

[@wards-wyrd]

How much does something like that cost??

[@robfish9543]

A million plus easily!

[@k0smon]

Looks like it has an EQ siren.

[@Michaelbos]

Tillers are the best. This thing that rear mounts can maneuver better in smaller streets is not that true at times.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

uhm well there are rear-mount Tower Ladders with all-wheel steering, so compared to Tillers which still have one non-stearable axle on the tractor unit, those Tower Ladders can get around corners even easier

[@antonnurwald5700]

What a huge huge vehicle. 100 feet, so roughly 33 meters? Maybe search for TMF 70. That thing is 12.5 meters long. Just for comparison.

[@thedeans9506]

Nice bendy truck

[@brownbeard4088]

would love to be a tiller driver

[@hamzterix]

I wonder how those tiller behave in full highway speed. Loose rear end isn't for high speed.

[@sigsourr]

The aerial wheels would behave like the very front wheels

[@DByers-ci5kr]

The rear steering wheels can probably be locked in center alignment for high speeds when maneuverability isn't an issue.

[@christianbaker8735]

Dang rosenbauer makes some sexy rigs lol

[@christopherkotwica5891]

Would love to drive it

[@justanoldman9762]

sure make a great daily driver

[@dino6424]

I live live Watsonville

[@GentiluomoStraniero]

I think our FD deserves no less than this.

[@ltgaming8022]

You need to make more modern vehicles

[@alotaulapapa5829]

I thought there would be more than 200 gallons of water.

[@michaelconstantinou9121]

You forgotten the federal q siren

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

So, while Rosenbauer's CFT demo truck is on tour around departments in northern America as well, you still don't have any show-off video of the CFT on your channel? No video showing some features, capabilities, nothing?

[@wallbanga]

Is this really only a rigid ladder thing? How old fashioned is that? Why not buy a decent european style truck equiped with folding boom and a platform? Like a Bronto Skylift? kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJWZhKqih5pgd9U

[@suchitotoelsalvador6997]

Backlight grill to highlight "Watsonville", no accent or extra is too much. When the taxpayers are paying for it.

[@rickslife]

Suchitoto El Salvador for the little that costs compared to the rest of the rig is pennies in comparison.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

@@rickslife and a few pennies here, few more pennies there, ... it all adds up to a higher price tag

[@michaellawson5237]

Wow another rosencraper on the streets. For a company who sells equipment that breaks down, and is OOS half the time. Why are they still in business

[@malcolmcossar6447]

I'm assuming they're in business because they build Fire Trucks Mr.Know It All Troll😠🤬!

[@malcolmcossar6447]

Just like to follow up on my comment.Im not a firefighter but here in suburban Detroit many of our local fire depts have been purchasing Rosenbauer apparatus and from what I've read and heard they are quite satisfied with them! So before any other troll shoots off his mouth get your damn facts straight!, Oh Excuse me Trolls Never deal with facts all they do is spread lies and false information for whatever agenda! In this case against Rosenbauer! And No I don't work for Rosenbauer!

[@michaellawson5237]

Malcolm Cossar my local a Dept of which many friends work for have had nothing but problems with Rosenbauer. The rigs are out of service more then in service and not to spec. From receiving the apparatus to in service time for them is about a year to fix all the issues.

[@michaellawson5237]

Malcolm Cossar and just a follow up not a troll just wish a manufacture would make a better product.

[@simonplays1251]

Because ist seems like only Americans have a problem with Rosenbauer. We have 6 Rosenbauer Trucks since 1997 and they all work fine. There is a reason why they are the biggest.

[@zacharymyers3460]

The sales manager looks like Gerard Butler

[@ianmackenzie686]

Fancy shmancy!

[@prun8893]

LOL. Watsonville is a city of 52,000 people. Its tallest (non church steeple) buildings (there are 2) are about 60 feet tall. Now they have a blinged out, million dollar, 100' ladder tiller. Your tax dollars at work.

[@timmieyancey7063]

No way that's 100 Feet.

[@rainercalmund4276]

European fire trucks are much better

[@joell7475]

True, but the US fire trucks are much more beautiful. Here in Germany we have the best european fire trucks in my opinion.

[@cat740dt]

how are they better they all have the same goal to protect their communities

[@nyckk1420]

@@cat740dt Louder Sirens and (mostly) they can turn better than U.S. Firetrucks.

[@INFINITY-uv4el]

Agreed

[@tasel5791]

@@nyckk1420 Much more equipment on less space aswell

[@dankuettel5063]

If I’m in that machine to fight a fire......why do I care one bit about emissions?

[@McLivin410]

Tax money well spent

[@Dr_Duck69]

Great truck, bad video. Guy kept jumping spots on the rig.

[@willapanews9761]

Is there any buildings taller than three stories in that town? Waste of tax payers money?

[@simonplays1251]

These oversized US fire trucks are beautiful but simply unnecessary and a waste of money

[@mortakaii]

I skipped through it L

[@vgk7028]

It’s funny how ppl complain about anything the police do with their tax dollars yet have no problem with the fire department spending like 3million on a truck to go to lift assist calls and maybe 2 fires a year

[@RWAsur]

Funny how we dumped 1.5 trillion dollars into picking up the stock market for 15 minutes yesterday... But no one asks who pays for it. But if we were putting that in CDC, FDA, or yes, emergency services, everyone gonna cry about taxes. I don't know how much this costs but it the bells and whistles saves 1 more life than the old model, it's worth it. It's still better than the dumb shit we waste taxes on or give too many breaks on.

[@AlwaysHalloween000]

@@RWAsur Funny how Watsonville doesn't even have a building that's 5 stories high yet they need a 100 foot ladder for a *Town* of 45,000 people

[@robfish9543]

@@AlwaysHalloween000 You lose reach/height distance based on your horizontal distance from the structure. Also, you're hopefully planning on a truck to last 10-20 years down the road. Who knows what structures will be built during that time. The population numbers don't dictate your apparatus needs. Every town around me have @ 100' straight sticks and/or towers. Why? Multi story buildings. Hospitals. Nursing homes. Factories. You name it. That drives your needs.

[@AlwaysHalloween000]

@@robfish9543 All true and possible but the towns population has only increased by about 2000 people in the last 10 years .The truck seems a little elaborate when they could have bought something that is smaller and just as practical.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

@@AlwaysHalloween000 I lived in a town of 45,000 people as well and there were three 100 Tower Ladders in the town and it was necessary

[@Fire-s9s]

Too much going on. Shouldn’t be called truck anything. It’s a Engine, quint, rescue, and ladder. Keep it simple. Truck company no pump. Let a engine do that work.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

sometimes being multifunctional is the key ... while our Ladders are kept simple, our Engines are designed very mutlifunctional and basically replace a Heavy Rescue in many situations

[@bazzhm1447]

They use american truck inventions too.. i hope austria pay their credits.

[@1934rod]

What a waste of tax dollars, no need for all the overkill

[@rudyardgomeas6042]

Why do you feel it is a waste?