Ross Racing PCV Delete DIY for Gen 1 B58

[@rossrperformance]

"It's a fuel pump!" 😂😂😂 Great video as usual man!! Thank you for breaking it down as well. This should help a lot of people figure out which version to run!

[@trnql_noir]

Hey Matt, great to see reps from a company care enough to see reviews. I had a technical question: For cars with locked ECUs like the A90 Supra, could this PCV delete be routed to a filtered catch can and then route clean air back into the intake instead of vent to atmosphere?

[@kern417]

The a90 valve cover is different so this won't work

[@trnql_noir]

@@kern417 Did not realize this. Do A90s not use the diaphragm style PCV?

[@kern417]

@@trnql_noir the main thing is there's no removable cap like on gen 1. It's all Built into the valve cover

[@trnql_noir]

@@kern417 Yikes that's a bummer. Thanks

[@chadlutz7864]

Installed delete with catch can a few months back and it performs great. Helped reduce blow by.

[@AmazingAsif]

How much psi you running ?

[@terrancecollins2696]

Bro Everytime I research something for the B58 and how to install/information on it you have a video for it lol keep it up man

[@FullBoltOnGarage]

"It's a fuel pump" "Shhhhh" lmaoo!!!

[@danked6731]

Just ordered this after the fiasco with Vargas

[@MichaelVargas-k4w]

Is there any difference from Ross delete than Vargas?

[@20mx1]

Could you leave the one PCV hose venting to the intake and just VTA the top one to replace the OEM diaphragm system? Or would you have to VTA both? Any harm in just doing the top?

[@iiceel8413]

“Issa fuel pump” “Shhh” 🤣

[@Jason-hl2wy]

Good video! Looking to use this on my s55 with a failed pcv

[@user-rw7ro9rd3k]

Great video as usual. Your channel has helped me loads. Other than an OCC and PCV delete, what else can help reduce blow by? Still having blow by symptoms after compression test and leak down test…

[@jakubmasek8098]

How its possible that only VTA kit with hoses cost same price like with OCC complet ? or its only some faul in my broswer ?

[@darkheaven003]

You earned a sub! However, I am curious to know your recommendations for Gen 2 B58 with the built in PCV.

[@kern417]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6nEm36toLGsjpIsi=YJewU9JFwJi2B3EA

[@f22_b58]

Is it bad to dump the oil out under the car? What if it gets on components, I want to do the catch can but don’t want to have to empty it and risk it over filling. Trying to save myself from getting a bad pvc as I tend to let my cars idle

[@kern417]

I just made a video discussing this. kzbin.info/www/bejne/innCgYCFra1okNksi=bs5IgbS283HBFJbY

[@brakthru2]

Hi, VTT sells a kit and says some kits are combining the low and high side and removing vacuum and they could cause problems. I'm not sure if he's talking about Ross racing but I want to install Ross racing pcv catch can kit. I just want confirmation with you this setup is safe for our engines although it removes the vacuum. Thanks

[@kern417]

Yes it is safe.

[@sam20cdn]

Does it make a difference if I vent to atmosphere compared to catch can? What about the low side outlet of the valve cover? I see you just have a silicone hose and a small filter on the end, I’m running a vtt gc and not trying to spend the $800+ cad it takes to get the full catch can kit here in Canada.

[@kern417]

The vent on the front of my valve cover came with my turbo kit so that's why I didn't need to install that part. But if you install this kit then it's always going to vent to atmosphere. The catch can just catch oil, but it still has a filter on top to vent to atmosphere.

[@sam20cdn]

@@kern417 Thanks kern I'll be going with the vta kit then. thanks.

[@maliktanzil6998]

kit is not available on the website anymore

[@Sacwalker]

If I vent to atmosphere, will it create an excessive smell while idling?

[@kern417]

potentially yes. that's why the hoses route under the car to reduce that.

[@Sacwalker]

Thanks @@kern417, and its fine to just leave the end of the hose open?

[@kern417]

Yes that's how mine is

[@Sacwalker]

Cool, thank you!

[@bmwsincekid]

Hi i wonder i have stock turbo stock intake . Only have ftp intake pipe… i have 540i b58 and wonder if i buy the Ross kit same as you bought without catch can , i just have to remove the Original Pcv cap and install ross one route the line and finished?

[@kern417]

Yes

[@the_batmobile0.4]

Hey, what oil would you recommend? I'm on bootmod3 stage 2 93 octane?

[@kern417]

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[@rucccpru]

Did you install this on your 440!

[@rooneycameron08]

Great Information! Thank You

[@brakthru2]

Hey, Did you ever experience any oil or mist dripping from the hose only ross racing PCV kit? Wondering if I should go this route. Don't want oil on car or driveway though. I do have oil in the inlet every since going hybrid turbo running 30psi. There's blowby. Any help is appreciated. Thanks

[@kern417]

I would get a catch can if you anticipate oil in your case. I haven't had any. My hoses are dry.

[@brakthru2]

@kern417 Hey Kern, thanks for the reply. I don't anticipate oil. I do have oil in the inlet and charge pipe. I was told the higher boost will cause blowby. Ross racing said oil vapors can drip from the tube. If yours stayed dry, then I'll probably give tube only a try. His catch can won't fit my car with the Injen intake box. Do you know what conditions would cause oil to come out the tube?

[@kern417]

@@brakthru2 mostly depends on the power level and health of the engine

[@brakthru2]

@@kern417 thanks

[@anthonyguillen6747]

when you add the catch can , is it normal for it to smoke a little bit out of the top of the catch can?

[@kern417]

yes

[@TeeZB58]

Did this give you any issues at all?

[@alanmichael5388]

I have a BMS oil catch can, if I put the VTA kit like yours would the catch can be useless?

[@kern417]

This doesn't come with fittings to mate to the can but you could probably make your own lines

[@louissasss8133]

Careful with this, I lost a set screw because it came off. Build quality is great, but that set screw is just too loose to stay on with engine vibration in my opinion and experience. Ymmv. Hopefully I don't find it in my engine if I ever have to lift the valve cover.

[@kern417]

Yeah really it's redundant and it doesn't actually hold anything in place

[@rossrperformance]

Hey Louis, Are you currently only running 1 of 2 set screws? I've had mine installed for months and the screw has never fallen or vibrated out. The silicon orings should absorb most if not all the vibration and prevent it from backing out. The most important thing is to make sure the set screw is installed flush against the cap and no further in that flush. I state this in the instructions but sometimes people forget and do thread it in too deep. All the set screw is there to do is prevent the cap from coming off but it doesn't and isn't supposed to touched anything besides the cap. If you want to try a longer screw you can get an M3x6mm or longer and that should be long enough to eventually touch the PCV wall area but when I was testing everything out before release, I tested multiple lengths for the set screw and felt there was no need for a longer one. For peace on mind, I may just start supplying longer set screws on top of the standard length for future sales to prevent this issue. Also for peace of mind, unless you had your oil cap open or the PCV hole area exposed when it fell you, it won't make its way into your engine. Like you mentioned with vibration, it should be long gone by now lol

[@bmwsincekid]

@@kern417 i just see you didn’t replied to Ross Race comment …

[@boosted440i9]

Hey I just got a pure 850, I’m getting new wheels but idk what size to get, how wide of tires you think I should get for around 650 wheel

[@kern417]

Tire compound is more important than width.

[@boosted440i9]

@@kern417 what tires and what size you think would be good then

[@kern417]

@@boosted440i9 if xdrive most people run 255 all around. If rwd you should be able to fit a 275 in the back. Just pick wheels with the right offset.

[@kern417]

@@boosted440i9 and pick the mosy aggressive summer tires you're comfortable running for races

[@boosted440i9]

@@kern417 for a 440i f36 rwd you think 285s could fit

[@BoostTechTV]

How much different is this than the VTT oil cap crank case breather? Is this a better solution in your opinion? Or can we run both? Or are they totally different ?

[@kern417]

The oil cap breather does not remove the pcv diaphragm

[@BoostTechTV]

@@kern417 Good stuff. I just paid attention that your title says Gen 1. I have the Gen 2 B58 TU. So apparently I dont even have this cap option. Thanks for the vids man.

[@sawano9321]

Do they not make it anymore? They only have the breather kit now

[@kern417]

Yes they still make it

[@ZacSup]

will the engine cover fit over just the VTA kit?

[@kern417]

not without trimming

[@brumorabia]

What about the bottom hoose of the evap system I've bought a VS PCV solution, but haven't installed yet

[@kern417]

You can leave it connected to the intake

[@rossrperformance]

Each turbo setup is different so my kit will accommodate each turbo setup. When it comes to BigBoost and DocRacing they usually have a VTA setup on the high side (PCV Breather) and delete the PCV breather hose so that part of my kit is not required for their setup. If you have a hybrid turbo where the PCV Breather is still connected then my kit will include the extra hose and PCV Breather Adapter. If anything, you can visit my website and see what I mean by visiting V1 and V2 product page

[@brumorabia]

@@kern417 but it connects to the upper evap, where you have the vta, so there is the return. I'm using a Vargas catch can, and wanted to put this VTA like yours I'll DM you in Ig

[@brumorabia]

@@rossrperformance I'm running a pure 800, sorry to not hear about it earlier, I'm from Brasil and it's taking so long to get part from the US, the one I've bought took almost 2-3 months to arrive due Brazilian shit

[@kern417]

Maybe Im misunderstanding something but evap and PCV are two separate things. This doesn't touch the EVAP hose.

[@ganuv]

Make it idle for 8 hours?!

[@brakthru2]

About how much does the kit weigh without catch can?

[@kern417]

no idea. it's a cap and some an lines.

[@brakthru2]

@@kern417 are the lines heavy. I assume a pound at the most?

[@peterkukolik8402]

Thank you.

[@2400Vic]

Whats the difference between this and just the air filter on the pcv diagram

[@kern417]

The air filter kits that you see go on the oil cap, not on the PCV Diaphragm.

[@2400Vic]

@@kern417 oh okay thanks.

[@robert-zh2gl]

You left your address uncovered , probably should cover that up great video much love !

[@kern417]

don't google it

[@alexd5240]

@@kern417 🤣🤣TRUMP TOWER🤣

[@edgarrebolledo5328]

When do you think i should install this

[@kern417]

Whenever you're ready

[@pauli18cc]

$299 for a cap and hose for the VTA setup though? yeesh

[@k2dogg86]

Have you had any issues with the Ross racing kit since install?

[@kern417]

Nope

[@officiallopez2334]

Can you do this on a N20?:)

[@nicgallo4248]

I’m wondering the same thing about my b48

[@MarcusMyra-m4q]

711 Johanna Crossroad

[@bmwlane8834]

Just curious...I've watched a lot of your vids, you seem extremely knowledgeable but you don't do this for a living? Are you a engineer or something? I'm amazed at some of the knowledge I see out in the world and wondered how you gained it. Thanks and subscribed!

[@kern417]

I am an engineer, but a lot of my knowledge came from trial and error. I'll be posting a q&A when I hit 5,000 subs to answer this question 🙂

[@bmwlane8834]

Awesome dude! I knew you where not of normal average mechanical knowledge and skills. I'm friends with a few engineers. Good luck!

[@ZEROOC00L]

could u run the whole occ kit v2 with a tu pump as well ?

[@kern417]

Yes

[@eugenecountiss6503]

I like the kit but it doesn’t eliminate failure on the intake port side, which could cause a boost leak into the crankcase, blow oil out the other side of the vent system if crankcase pressure were to spike .

[@kern417]

There is nothing left to fail. No check valve, diaphragm, etc. Air is always venting out the breather.

[@eugenecountiss6503]

Sure there is, if the sonic welds break or plastic cracks on the underside of the valve cover, since the center port is sealed boost pressure from the intake is just going in and out now unused space. Think about it, every time you get into boost it’s pushing on a plastic portion of the ccv system that was not meant to hold pressure.

[@kern417]

The valve cover does not experience anything that it wouldn't without the delete. The entire crankcase is designed to experience pressure from the crankcase. The only time it would experience excessive pressure is if you didn't have adequate venting, which is why multiple port options are offered.

[@eugenecountiss6503]

I just explained what the valve cover experiences different… There is no diaphragm to allow pressure vent so boost fully pressurizes the passages and space ( inside the valve cover itself) not the crankcase. It’s a nice kit and looks like it works well, great option if you don’t want to take the valve cover off to mod. I’m disputing you’re claims that blocking off the center port the diaphragm regulates and adding vent/s makes the system bulletproof due to the fact that the valve cover could fail, allowing excessive crankcase pressure / flow under boost or vacuum which would be a pcv system problem. I guess you could consider the blocked off portion not part of the ccv anymore since it’s sealed and what’s left functioning is bulletproof. Also if valve cover fails in that case a portion of the ccv system that was not used caused a failure.

[@kern417]

Yeah, I don't think you understand how it works. The PCV is the valve. It makes sure that gases only ventilate when they should. By deleting the valve, you're deleting the PCV. There is nothing left of a PCV system that can fail. This is effectively the same as an aftermarket valve cover with just a filter attached. If you're saying the valve cover can still fail, that's a separate issue. Valve cover gasket issues are common on BMWs with and without turbos. This isn't going to make the failure rate worse, If that's what you're implying.

[@Layingloww]

living meme 'isssa fuueee pumpp'

[@conmansoljah]

How’s the smell for you ? My my car with this set up stinks really bad

[@kern417]

I only really smell anything at a stop with my windows down. No different than my catless downpipe

[@conmansoljah]

@@kern417 can smell mine in cabin and with windows down it’s really strong few friends have mentioned it to me too. Have to have it on though as have built engine and was getting lot of smoke from the pvc. Thats gone now but have the potent smell 🤦‍♂️

[@kern417]

@@conmansoljah do you have the catch can or dump tube

[@conmansoljah]

@@kern417 it’s just vta straight of the pcv pretty much the tube goes we’re you put yours

[@kern417]

@@conmansoljah yeah normally it wouldn't smell much under the car. Make sure everything is sealed and the hose exit is tucked behind the undertray opening

[@rickyohh9330]

Isaaaa fuel pump lol

[@Sean440i]

Kern I hope that’s not your address on the package in the beginning a lot of weirdos on the internet just saying.

[@LordBarra]

lol. trump tower hey?!!

[@soarsplash7521]

Trump tower hahahaha

[@MichaelVargas-k4w]

Is there any difference from Ross delete than Vargas?

[@kern417]

Vargas tries to reroute the gases back to the manifold. Ross Racing is VTA.