Apple encourages the destruction of mint condition Macbooks while pretending to be green

[@turbochargedbrick]

Just buy a puppy and give up on cats. Your viewership problems will be over!

[@rossmanngroup]

Are you fucking insane

[@warasilawombat]

Screw that noise

[@CDWCAULDRON]

We love the cats no issue with Viewers

[@bustergundo516]

@@rossmanngroup I'm sorry but that made me laugh to hard. Keep up the good work.

[@viperdemonz-jenkins]

cats are king.

[@GSP-76]

My daughter has a MacBook pro that cost over $2000. Well unfortunately one day, she spilled some drink on it and the LCD became unusable. Apple said there was nothing that could be done to save it and that they would give us $300 for it towards the purchase of a new MacBook pro. I didn't do that and sent it to Louis. They did a deep cleaning of it, charged us like $120 and it's working perfectly even to this day. I have zero trust in Apple to ever do the right thing for their customers.

[@angryakita3870]

@zee The products they are making are for the most part better than the other manufacturers. It’s a better idea to advocate for RTR in Court.

[@Asrudin]

@@angryakita3870 They are not really though. They are better than other cheap market entry products, yes. But in the same price ranges there are alternatives that are just objectively better than apple products from a hardware point of view. But people buy 300 dollar pc's comparing the experience to 3000 dollar macbooks.

[@TeodorLojewski]

They make money off you either way. They never actually *repair* anything in the stores, they only *replace* things. They do it fast and easy or they don't do anything. Same standardized process. They don't have your best interest in mind. Independent, unauthorized repair shops *need* to make it work (literally and figuratively) for the cheapest price possible, or they'd be out of business! How does Apple make money? 1. If they replace your board, screen etc. even though it isn't necessary, they make a shitton of money off you. 2. If they can't, or rather won't, you buy a new one and they make a shitton of money off you. Alternatively, if the "repair" is too expensive (which is often the case) you buy a new one. It's a win-win situation for Apple.

[@Daniel-it1dp]

Unfortunately, we had a similar issue with my wife’s Lenovo except it just broke in normal use in one month. They said we had to pay $60 under warranty just to send it in, give them 6 months to see if it was our fault, and then they would determine if they could repair it. If they couldn’t we would have to pay even more to have them send it back to us! We bought a MacBook instead and have had better success (knock on wood).

[@kirkyorg7654]

then stop buying their products and tell them why

[@kamo7293]

reject reusing embrace wasting good hardware. welcome to apple

[@kamo7293]

@Vicinity yeah unfortunately

[@Holycurative9610]

@Vicinity I always check my upgrade path when buying a laptop but most people don't know about upgrades or repair, or they don't care, they'll just keep paying monthly for the next 20 years and never own anything.

[@ericvulgate]

You don't need to buy new shit if your old shit still works.

[@calistheticsmurdergeese]

Tink differfferfrfrnt

[@RybergNikolai]

yeah nd remove the charger on the new iPhones because they care too much about the environment 😹

[@ragnarok7976]

> Vet claims to care about dogs > Pay vet clinic for dog licencing tags > Dog is lost > Dog is found but vet refuses to notify owner > Owner comes in looking for dog "have you considered getting a puppy?"

[@felixhousecat2566]

Couldn’t have said it better. Great analogy 😂

[@Makerr8]

"You got your laptop stolen? Damn that sucks...anyway here's a new model and a 72 month financing plan that will run longer than the laptop itself." -Apple

[@dots560]

🤣🤣

[@kbhasi]

and no data recovery at that

[@Sebastian-hg3xc]

Yeah, let's give them those stolen Macbooks that were going to be scapped. Ever wondered why all those macbooks are locked.

[@Txm_Dxr_Bxss]

"we have made sure the person who found your lost laptop can't contact you and has to destroy it" -also Apple

[@esdigital5259]

That's longer than my truck payment and it's already been crashed after 2 years lol

[@6581punk]

Apple used to justify their high prices with the lifespan on the devices, saying people keep their machines longer.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Back when build quality supported such a long lifetime. Nowadays their machines tend do destroy themselves.

[@chench1lla]

Can't use it if your account is disabled or forgotten. Can't get it back even with the receipt.

[@matthewisrail]

@@chench1lla that happened with me and my iPod touch. After I got a phone I stopped using it and after some years forgot the password and tried to guess it and ended up getting it locked for some months. I went to apple to ask if there’s anything they can do unlock it and I get all my photos and stuff back. Brought the box I got it brand new in and receipt from Best Buy and got denied saying it was against some policy they had

[@SkylineFTW97]

Like with Hondas on the car market. I paid extra to buy my Honda Fit over a Chevy, Mitsubishi, Hyundai, or Kia because it'll last longer and be easier to maintain. Apple products were still fairly robust 15 odd years ago. My mom runs a small graphic design company and had used macs as work computers from day 1. When I was little in the 2000s, her company had machines for well over a decade before they were replaced. Now she's lucky to get half of that. Not even just hardware issues, software ones.

[@TeodorLojewski]

Yeah, back when they also said that "privacy is iPhone" before they began scanning user files even with their iCloud turned off and ran targeted ads everywhere. (kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYq0dnhvf9FqnNU) That's Apple for ya.

[@theftking]

I'm glad to see you _playing the game_ a bit more and actually making thumbnails and provocative titles and such. I get that you otherwise don't really care about that stuff but it really does go a long way towards spreading this information to people outside your normal audience. I suspect this video is gonna do really well!

[@ChristofferLund]

Thumbnail looks sick

[@rossmanngroup]

I decided to stop accepting as fact that my channel is dead.

[@matthewn1225]

Long time viewer but hit my recommended and clicked for the thumbnail and title didn’t even notice the channel. Definitely worked.

[@Furzkampfbomber]

@@rossmanngroup Is it? I mean, I a am a german, I never owned an apple device and I am not really interested in the mobile/laptop repairs. And yet I am a subscriber. And after a quite lengthy hiatus due to personal life reasons, I now watch your channel a lot more again and learn a lot of things. I even might have convinced one person or two to leave the toxic apple eco system by telling them things I have learned here. Of course I am just one guy, but I wonder how many people like me are out there, who appreciate your channel a lot, despite not being that vocal or visible.

[@acain6803]

@@rossmanngroup looking forward to seeing your face contorted into open mouthed shock in my future thumbnail feed

[@Docterwolf]

Louis I love the content bro, you bring attention to problems. I had no idea even exist. Thanks for keeping a lowly consumer like me informed.

[@mackenziebullied4900]

@@ZoeMuller80 lobbying across the country is really the best you can do when the solution is obvious and the real fight is getting companies to care about said problem

[@Docterwolf]

@@ZoeMuller80 respectfully MANS himself has. Been busting his ass for years in the name of “Right to Repair”

[@TheFourthWinchester]

@@ZoeMuller80 And what are you doing in real life?

[@TheFourthWinchester]

@@ZoeMuller80 Congrats. She has cancer.

[@dinobot_maximize]

@@ZoeMuller80 hurt them in their wallet but i guess that wont happen because few care enough to do that

[@theSoundCarddatabase]

I never forgot the time when Staples forced me to destroy perfectly functional and brand new, packed, pristine Gateway computers because we hadn't sold them and they were sitting in the backstore. Still remember the boxes with cow patterns on them. I asked about donating them to schools or internet cafés which was refused. I felt so embarrassed to be tasked with destroying perfectly functional stuff AND at the same time be under pressure from management to repair, re-shrink-wrap, prevent theft in my department to avoid unnecessary losses for the store. It felt like an unnecessary and preventable loss to me and I didn't understand the difference. I kept one key from each keyboard I was forced to destroy, and still have them as a reminder.

[@Cineenvenordquist]

Gotta be the shredder truck you want to see in the world.

[@simonspacek3670]

Interesting. How closely they watched you, because I would be tempted to... reduce the waste if you know what I mean.

[@vincentseng]

keyword : capitalistic system, supply and demand, economic growth

[@EddieJazzFan]

I was at my local e-waste collection place to drop off an old de-humidifier. There was a mint looking Pioneer stereo amplifier, which I immediately picked up to take home. A worker told me I could not take it or he would call the cops on me. I protested and said its just something discarded for waste...the guy took it and forcefully threw it in the dumpster and basically destroyed it. What a shame.

[@SethMethCS]

Intentional. Not a shame. Tell us the name of the company, so we can destroy the managements stuff.

[@MikkoRantalainen]

Technically that worker was correct. The way to fix that is to fix the legislation that prevents reusing stuff from the e-waste collection stack.

[@kbhasi]

Argh, it's a similar situation where I live, to the point where I encourage people to leave working stuff near regular bins (depending on the location) and only throw the unrepairable stuff in the e-waste.

[@AKADriver]

That's technically the rule at my local municipal e-waste drop, but most of the time when I go there's just no one working the tent. That said there hasn't been anything I'd bother taking there the last few times other than the occasional old LCD or obsolete transformer bricks and I have enough of those.

[@lukedavis436]

Where i work we have a Secure Recycling Contract with a third party company.. Once somthing goes into the cage its noted down for quantity.. So if i was to take somthing (be a small IIyama monitor or a Vista Era Fujitsu Esprimo) they'd know... There's a gorgeous Vintage Siemens laptop that i took before it reached the cage however i cannot risk "Stealing" it (even though its wiped)

[@sumdumbmick]

all of the IT jobs I've had were for school districts, and when they got rid of a bunch of machines all at once I'd sit there and make sure every one of them had its BIOS unlocked so that whoever ended up with it could do what they wanted with their new machine. I had bosses who yelled at me for doing it, and 'wasting' their time, but it's just the right thing to do. and when most of my time was spent going around to every machine on campus doing small little things like that to each one anyway, this was actually easy, since they're at least all in one spot. I'd just boot into the BIOS, unlock it, inventory the serial number and district number, put it on the pile of outgoing, and repeat until the whole lot was done. that was the good ol' days where unlocking the BIOS was enough.

[@mattatwar]

Heck, Alot to do remove devices... MDM, Apple business manager, Factor reset securely (drive wiped securely, or destroyed). And bios, find my unlocked

[@TruthDoesNotExist]

Thank you for doing that

[@TruthDoesNotExist]

@@the_kombinator I tried that once and it didn't work

[@lukedavis436]

Where i work the policy Is "Redeployment, Redployment to, schools.. Or secure Scrappage" What sucks is we have brand new devices (HP Elitebook 735 G6es and Dell latitude 7200 2in1s) litterally sitting IN THE BOX rotting away in the store room.. Had a chat with the stock management lads and i couldn't take them.... They NEED to be recycled.... It breaks my heart!

[@TruthDoesNotExist]

@@lukedavis436 Thats disguting

[@Hey_Jamie]

Blows my mind that it wasn’t _that_ long ago that companies took pride in manufacturing products built to LAST. Not built to be obsolete so the buyer is forced to upgrade every year. That’s why you’ll see parents or grandparents with like, coffeemakers from the 20’s or vacuums from the 30’s that still work great

[@rossmanngroup]

A different era, with different priorities, and a different market. :(

[@AllegedAllergen]

They do still make those coffee makers and vacuums that last a long time. They are just being drowned out by all the cheap, cost-cutting products out there on Amazon and most box stores that are far more purchased. Mac owners, however, are screwed

[@monsterrun]

Have you seen the light bulb conspiracy documentary? I think youl like it.

[@MaxwellTornado]

@@AllegedAllergen I actually bought what I'm pretty sure is the same exact model of coffee machine that my grandparents had. Granted, my decision there was influenced by the fact that the company making them is an old household name that manufactures domestically.

[@daridon2483]

​@Anthony Cotter So it means that thing didn't die from it's natural lifespan, and can continue functioning, but because the owner wanted an upgrade, which should be the most common reason for getting a new device. Right now it's the opposite

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Honestly the "unlocking after contacting the previous owner" seems like a perfect solution. Prevents stolen units from being useful, but allows resold units to stay active.

[@ARockRaider]

But Apple will see that as a "lost sale" and that's why they won't. That's also why they won't just ask for a small fee to do so, because they would rather you buy something new and expensive, they don't understand that the low price is possibly the only reason a person wanted the device.

[@GertvandenBerg]

It won't work for legally but hostily acquired devices though (e.g sold in liquidation sales) (or if the previous owner is dead) Blocking it for devices reported stolen makes sense though

[@catsandmountains]

Very often original owners don't have an up to date email on file, valid phone number, etc On top of it, if you get the right info they may not answer the phone in the first place. Then if they do answer the phone, they might not believe you are who you say you are. Better idea would be to check against police records. Did the owner report the serial stolen? No? Does the current owner show some kind of proof of current ownership? Yes? Unlock it.

[@billyhatcher643]

i cant wait till ebay goes under once they do we will get better sites that can kick ebays ass im sick of these companies doing this shit i went to ebay to buy old apple hardware because of how amazon bent the knee to them but now with ebay bending to apple theres no other site to use so fuck apple fuck ebay fuck amazon for bending to them

[@emiliabunko4518]

the prices of these units will skyrocket, cause the previous owners sooner or later will ask for money for unlock their old junk

[@JasonJrake]

I saw an article somewhere that Apple sued a contractor ((Canadian I think) who were reselling devices they were supposed to take apart and recycle. The judge ruled in Apples favor based on the terms of the contract, but gave them a reduced fine, lecturing Apple that the guilty company was doing a public and environmental service, and Apple faking caring about the environment. They only do "green" things that save them money in material cost or tax deductions. We need more judges like that.

[@dotanuki3371]

that's good, but what should be the goal is that such terms and clauses would be illegal and unenforceable

[@nonjaninja4904]

The judge still ruled in Apple's favor though.

[@dsakurai]

@@nonjaninja4904 That's why we need laws that can actually protect the environment by preventing companies like Apple from doing this and also not to mention planned obsolescence.

[@GSP-76]

@@nonjaninja4904 The Judge had no choice in the matter. It was in the contract.

[@rolux4853]

@@GSP-76 he had a choice, judges deem contracts illegal all the time because they are unethical and due to that illegal! They also should have ruled that such things aren’t allowed in Canada because Canada cares for the environment instead of the United States! I really hope at least the EU makes a ruling on this, like they did with usb c, so apple is forced to do it if they want to continue to sell. The EU is really fucking over their own industries due to the environment regulations, so it needs to apply to other companies too, otherwise it’s an unfair advantage! If apple denies doing it there should be a policy in place that the manufacturer themself has to repair the device for free for 5 years after it’s sold. If it breaks they are responsible to make it working again if they don’t supply parts!

[@thehuelander9182]

IMAGINE LIVING DURING A CHIP SHORTAGE WHEN THIS IS COMMON PRACTICE.

[@andrewt.5567]

The chip shortage just gave them an commonly known excuse to drive their prices up, and restricting second hand use helps them reduce the supply side. Apple is not the only company guilty. Nvidia is doing supply restriction on GPUs as well in order to prop up the price and trying to sell off their overrun of the previous generation.

[@wolfsokaya]

It reminds me of that lawsuit where at a Canadian company,some people started to put together working products and sold them from stuff that was there to be destroyed. The only thing green around Apple is the money they want to see in stacks.

[@higgydufrane]

The trend in almost all manufacturing (electronics, vehicles, farm equipment, recreational marine, etc.) is to not allow the dealer and/or customer to do anything to the product without the explicit blessing of the manufacturer. I don't see how this trend is ever going to be reversed without a major revolution in the consumer world to demand it changes. I hold little hope for the government to make this better, I assume they will make it worse.

[@lukedavis436]

Korg have recently done this with a fellow friend, they refused to sell him a PCB for "Health and safety" reasons... What a fucking joke

[@saywhat9158]

The way it was done with vehicles in the past was to force manufacturers to only sell to retailers making them a tertiary party to the transaction but now that manufacturers have been allowed to become the retailer, they have garnered unprecedented power and control.

[@plasmawarper5837]

Thank the sheep who keep buying apple garbage. Thabks to them even clevo is now soldering gpu into their laptops

[@lukedavis436]

@@plasmawarper5837 GPUs are normally soldered in though.. (Exept on certain old Dell and Early clevo laptops), historically many laptops have had it (IBook,Thinkpad T42 etc)

[@Oseiwe]

It is the responsibility -- and now an imperative -- for the consumers of this world to rise to the occasion. This is a human rights issue of the 21st century also. Why should a company be over 1 trillion dollars rich and desperate to be even more so at the expense of those who made them rich? It is the people's fault

[@Choochinc]

This reminds me of a time years ago when a friend gave me his Chromebook that was still locked to the school we went to, to try to unlock it for him. I'm not 100% sure how I did it, but after an OS reinstall didn't work, I tried everything I could think of to corrupt the ROM enough to break the lock and allow me to reinstall the ROM. I was doing things like starting an OS reinstall and disconnecting the battery halfway through, running a neodymium magnet over the storage and ROM chips. After enough abuse, it finally corrupted enough to allow me to access the bios and fully reinstall the ROM.

[@greggv8]

For Chromebooks it's the powerwash function that completely wipes it no matter what security is used.

[@AlbertBuckinghamEllison]

Our company has about a dozen top-spec ipads that are icloud locked. None in the company made a note of/knows the password, there's a chance they left. So we've ended up with a mountain of ewaste. Both the company fault and Apple's. But this should not be a problem at the end of the day.

[@linckez958]

My company had the same issue, but we just sent a request to Apple to unlock the devices with proof of ownership. Honestly it was pretty smooth.

[@mrfrenzy.]

Connect all phones and tablets to intune/office 365 so you can easily reset them remotely both when lost and when password is forgotten. It works both for Android an ios.

[@ochykysh]

Just kick them out of ABM(and MDM) and reformat in DFU. You don't have ABM? Why? IT's free, you can use it with Apple Configurator and unlock cloud devices with it without needing the passcode. You can set it up super easy in 15 minutes on any macbook... Registering for the program requires just a company email address and registration information...

[@joshm264]

I've never purchased a new apple product except my iPod years ago, and all of my macs are considered "obsolete", but I keep them up to date with patchers the community has made. Not to mention the fact that all but one or two of them I received broken...

[@Stand00]

Same here. Because of shit like this, I will hold on to my upgradable and repairable opencore-patched 2012 macbook pro for as long as I can.

[@arricammarques1955]

Authorized reseller. Save your money.

[@kchilz32]

@@Stand00 will this wipe all my files?

[@Stand00]

@@kchilz32 If you choose to upgrade your current macOS installation, it probably won't, but I would recommend backing up your files and doing a clean install.

[@notmyname6452]

Been using nothing but 2011 17" mpbs for the past decade. Laughing at just how pathetic/sad is it that there's nothing from apple worth upgrading to (if you're someone who appreciates upgradability and repairability). Sick world.

[@rossmanngroup]

The timestamps in the description aren't showing up on screen for some reason. 00:00 - Introduction 00:20 - eBay & Amazon making it difficult to sell new products 00:51 - Activation locked devices stuck in recyclers 02:47 - Is activation lock about preventing theft? 03:39 - A sensible system to prevent ewaste while stopping theft 04:01 - How we handled EFI unlocks 05:16 - Apple humor 05:40 - There should be a better method to unlock devices that were not stolen 06:58 - Recyclers should NOT be shredding the entire board due to fear of liability. 07:20 - Our industry relies on donor boards 07:46 - WHY our industry relies on donor boards 08:20 - Every one of Apple's policies regarding safety & security also happen to cut against the 2nd hand market and repairability 09:05 - Bad people exist. Don't create piles of garbage in response. 10:05 - Potshot at NY governor 10:15 - Donor parts are being destroyed along with the 2nd hand market 10:35 - Anger at greenwashing 11:15 - How Apple dealt with an actual theft case - no regard for the user 12:19 - Cat problem

[@LFPGaming]

they're not showing up on my screen either, but you need to add them to the description, no?

[@HTWW]

00:20 - I'm guessing you meant to write 'to sell used/refurbished products'? Or am I misunderstanding something? The wording seems a bit awkward... 'eBay & Amazon making it difficult to sell used/refurbished products to force you to buy new' ...Maybe? Edit: English is my third language, so I definitely could be misunderstanding. BTW, thank you for everything, Louis! You're an inspiration and simply a good person (if YT videos can be a benchmark of that)! Proud to watch your content since around 2018!

[@nunziotocci1839]

FYI , they seem to be working for me now.

[@2012TheAndromeda]

Lol I hope your cat problem is fixed soon. Put catnip on the armrest. Problem solved!

[@DudeSoWin]

Green with Envy. Mac Users don't give a damn about Apple stealing from them and scanning their drives.

[@WinPC99]

As an IT guy, I hate the soldered storage because now I have a new dilemma: have an entire machine incinerated or risk company data being stolen (low chance, since it’s encrypted) since I cannot remove and destroy the drive only

[@avinadadmendez4019]

Just destroy the information. As an EE guy I can tell you, it's not physically possible to recover data if it's all overwritten by 0s

[@kowan011]

And the worst part? Apple even knows these recycling plants aren't gonna desolder NAND chips, let alone those with underfill!

[@EhEhEhEINSTEIN]

The one thing in the back of my mind about getting a ps5 is soldered primary storage. I doubt they will ever make it so when that dies, the OS can be loaded onto the expansion drive and continue to work. By the time I'm 40, I'll be back outside playing with sticks and rocks because tech will just piss me off/depress me too much..

[@pacifico4999]

If it uses full disk encryption, just erasing the key is enough to render the data unreadable. I only know how to do it on Linux though (LUKS)

[@innocentsmith6091]

@@avinadadmendez4019 I imagine this is company policy he has to deal with, and the same people who set that policy are probably the same people who don't know or care that Apple is wasting them money.

[@simonlauer9379]

I recently fixed my old thinkpad t440p. had a loose fan. nothing fancy I had to do, but it works perfectly fine again. felt amazing

[@lukedavis436]

My E530C sadly failed mechanically and destroyed the casing, i salvaged all the electronics and responsibly recycled the plastic casing..

[@runed0s86]

@@lukedavis436 unfortunately, most plastic can't actually be recycled. Only the logos with the number 1 or 2 inside can be reused in other products.

[@NuclearFisshin]

Man, I love you and your message. Right to repair is fundamental and I have been a part of both organizing repair sessions in Schools, and petitioning the Norwegian government to drop VAT on people doing repairs. Something I would suggest you fight for too, 0 VAT on spare parts and work for repairs. It is VATed and payed for already. This will help hugely in terms of climate change and all that. Now to my little gripe. When doing video's I quickly learned I had to speed down my speech 1/4 ish when feeling especially focused or passionate about an issue.

[@--2]

I recently made the mistake of breaking a key on my M1 MacBook Air. Long story short, a metal pin on the keyboard is broken. I don't have a official Apple store in my country, only counterfeit ones that are authorised resellers though. You think Genius Bar is shitty? These counterfeit stores are SHITTY. I wan't to replace my keyboard without having to replace the whole top-case. The keyboard is partly screwed in and partly riveted from what I know, my question is, would I be able to replace the keyboard only with the original screws, or are the rivets necessary in keeping the keyboard in place? And would I be able to use a spare keyboard from an 2020 Air, or would I need one specifically for the M1 (I have neither, it's easier to get the former one)?

[@Lazy2332]

2:20 I worked in IT at a local community college & you would be surprised how frequently people would buy (or receive donation) our older Apple devices 2-4+ years AFTER we got RID of them & then would call us asking if we could remove the MDM activation lock. The helpdesk staff initially were told to basically tell these people to go F themselves there was nothing we could do. (That senior manager obviously doesn’t have any clue what IT is about anymore but thinks he does because he’s been there forever. 🙄) I stepped in and told Helpdesk directly, NO! Don’t do that, tell them yes we can give us a few days & Create a ticket & send it to our new Apple dept so they can go into Jamf and verify that the device was removed & unlocked. Once I did that, I found many tickets, most being from non profit organizations who were DONATED THESE DEVICES! There was no dedicated Apple team prior & this is what caused this very simple step of not removing the old devices from Jamf as the normal Microsoft techs didn’t have access to Jamf. It really makes me wonder who gave up prior to this “process change” and simply threw the computers away.. 🤦😡 Apple/Jamf/etc. really needs to do something to fix this problem from proceeding, something simple like you have to remove it and if you don’t we’ll harass you asking if the device has been sold or not, if you don’t respond within a week, it’ll be removed/unlocked.

[@ochykysh]

Real question is WTF did the campus keep the old units in the MDM inventory after those were written off. Keeping them in the inventory also kept those in MDM eating licenses and maybe even creating additional costs with the per device licenses for different apps. When we do decommission we have lists of devices and then buck delete those from AD, MDM and ABM, and do not forget to forward sad into to your wholeseller, because they might re-import those devices into ABM....

[@Frytech]

I think the solution should be even simpler: allow the users who bought such used machines, to simply reformat the drive and continue to use the computer. If it’s about the security of the data, that should solve the problem, because no data of the previous owner could be accessed by the new owner.

[@SenileOtaku]

@Aerrin Longheart I don't give a shit about Apple's viewpoint. If they want to sell more product, make them WORTH buying, rather than this environmentally-hostile bullshit move.

[@ochykysh]

So let people use stolen goods? Yea..sorry, not supporting that. Dismantle and use for parts - OK

[@mjc0961]

@@ochykysh You are why Apple gets away with this. You'd throw away millions of devices because a single one of them might be stolen. Absolutely disgusting. Shame on you, shame on Apple, shame on everyone who supports this.

[@TheZerok666]

@@ochykysh so every car should not start until you log in with your account, because cars get stolen sometimes?

[@Frytech]

@Aerrin Longheart I will always buy Mac computers (if I have money for them), and the reasons I’ve switched to Mac in the first place: MacOS, way better build quality, good resale value, great screens and still the best trackpads on the market, lots of amazing software, and so on. And because making backups was as easy as connecting a hard drive and pressing one button. That was extremely important to me. And also because they do care about privacy of my data, at least way more than anyone else on the market on this planet. It’s the data that I care the most, not the actual piece of aluminum. None of these things have changed to the worse. Well, they have in 2016-2021 MacBooks, but now it’s back on a good track.

[@nocuh]

Q: Best way to help alleviate the chip shortage? A: (thinking different) Chip shreddage!

[@iliealexandru5682]

Imagine a bill for those giant corporations in which says that they have to pay an enormous percentage (like 60%) of profits if they're not making their devices able to repair. I think Apple would ship their products with schematics in the box.

[@XXLuigiMario]

That would be too sensible for this world.

[@geoffreyvanpelt6147]

@@XXLuigiMario Agreed. It would be more likely that a big company would stop such a thing by _any_ means necessary.

[@newagain9964]

Why should Apple or any company allow you to repair THEIR devices? That’s what private property law is all about. 🤫🤑🤫

[@SergeantExtreme]

Imagine if people just stopped buying name brand, and simply started buying from companies that actually do ship their devices with the repair schematics such as Framework computing, Fairphone, Purism SPC, ect. Why do we need government intervention when you can simply stop buying from these companies altogether? Or are you the type of person who buys their Bud Light from Target?

[@iliealexandru5682]

@@SergeantExtreme Because in many cases that's not an option. I'm a videographer and let's say we live in a world with all camera companies are like apple. What do I do? I'm starting my own camera company? Remember how android users were making fun of iphone users when they eliminated the jack port? How many android phones have now a jack? That's why we need government control. Goverment control it's to keep those giants, which make trends in product design, in lines.

[@HStark]

If the enterprise customers are so worried about their data, they should just enable full disk encryption on all their devices. Many Windows device come with BitLocker enabled already, and Macs have file vault. Also, recyclers could be required to drill through the NAND, which is still horrible but better than destroying the entire board.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

The issue is that the drive is soldered in, so they can't just rip it out and shred it like they used to. And they physically destroy the storage to be sure that there is no way of recovery. And it is faster than encrypting the drive. And with how everything is paired, even replacing the NAND with a new one won't work.

[@sowa705]

@@HappyBeezerStudios These laptops are encrypted from the factory, just erase it and the data is unrecoverable as the keys get destroyed

[@MikkoRantalainen]

The problem with full disk encryption is that to actually make it safe, the secret needed to decrypt it during the boot requires the user to enter the secret key. Otherwise you can *pretend* that storing the actual secret key on the DRM chip (typically called "TPM") is actually safe. And companies do not want to go with "user enters the password after every boot" because their users always forget the password.

[@erkinalp]

@@MikkoRantalainen *before every boot

[@MikkoRantalainen]

@@erkinalp I'm thinking that the actual boot is CPU getting power and the secret key must be entered before the OS can be loaded. If you consider "boot" as starting the OS, then you're right and the secret must be entered before every boot.

[@9852323]

There needs to be laws and regulations preventing this kind of anti competitive and anti consumer behavior. It’s really getting out of control these days. Thanks Louis for everything you do and for just being real with us unlike other KZbinrs. Much respect ✊❤

[@ogre706]

Laws and regulations are written by people who's campaigns are often donated to by these very corporations. These big companies also have lobbyists working on their behalf, while there are no lobbyists representing the common person. What a world, isn't it.

[@PumpkinProdigy]

can't believe we even have to have this conversation. Apple needs to get it together!!

[@billfusionenterprise]

think greed and it make sense

[@TheCod3r]

Simple solution and easy to implement: Have a button which says "I bought this device used". Once a user clicks that button it sends an email to the original iCloud user to give them an option to remove iCloud or dispute the claim. If the user doesn't respond in 30 days, it auto unlocks. Job done, no more iCloud locked devices which are purchased legitimately

[@djh9816]

i love how logically you always talk about subjects, and seem to have fun when you discuss topics with us, your audience. thank you for your fun and amazing videos, greetings from the netherlands

[@thewatchersofthewood3530]

This is soooooo true! I fix a few hundred disposed machines a year and more and more are locked and cannot be used. A shame!

[@MrElemonator]

If people would look at money as time and energy they might start not being children and start adding value to the world.

[@JoeTheGreat]

Someone really needs to make a law that if a device is sold, the manufacturer must allow the device to be unlocked (assuming it's not stolen, of course) and reused.

[@henderstech]

This is sad. I could really use a laptop but cannot afford one and I am sure that goes for many others too. To watch good machines just destroyed when others could use them is just sad.

[@Nirrrina]

If you're lower income you can get a computer shipped to you by PC's for People.

[@SethMethCS]

Not sad but intentional.

[@roflBeck]

@@SethMethCS It's both.

[@Xaltar_]

Gibson does the same thing with guitars. Rather than sawing off the top of the headstock (brand name) and donating them to charities etc they take a table saw to them and chop them into bits of unusable scrap and throw them in a dumpster. They even make retailers do it and provide proof of destruction on returns with defects. This is Gibson so that happens a LOT. People paying $2000 - $10,000 for a guitar WILL return it for a finish blemish or barely noticeable QC issue. They are more concerned with someone potentially "fixing" a scrapped guitar and selling it as repaired than they are about the environment or their customers. The custom shop stuff is better but you pay through the nose for that. At least they don't make guitars designed to break in a few years, probably because they know that wouldn't fly, it's a hunk of wood with magnets, wires and strings after all.

[@SethMethCS]

Why are we only talking about this NOW?

[@Xaltar_]

@@SethMethCS It's been talked about for years now. It's a common issue with most large/well known US based corporations. They sell a name, sue competition, abuse customers and rely on "brand loyalty" and "patriotism" to stay viable. Why do you think a beat to hell Gibson guitar from the 80's is worth more now than it was when it was new? Because stupid people with too much money say it is, because Gibson convinced them it was. Same with Apple, same with John Deere and the list goes on. Basically, any company that offers poor value but it's brainwashed customer base swears by and rabidly defends. Belief in these corporations is like a cult, those that have been duped by it have invested so much time, money and effort into it they don't want to admit they were stupid to believe the lies from the start. Better to go down with the ship than admit you wasted all that. It's poison. Right to repair threatens the cash cow, lack of ethics and easy money they have enjoyed for so long. It's bottom line baby, that's all that matters to them and they will do anything within a hair's breadth of breaking the law to make an extra cent. Laws they and their predecessors tailored to be exploited. TLDR, Louis and others like him are fighting an up hill battle here. It's not something the big corporations are going to let happen without a fight. The only way to win is with massive consumer support.

[@ichabodlorax7585]

We should have the higher-ups behind these decisions face justice by shredding their office writing utensils and machine sanding their desks down to a pile of dust while they're out on lunch break.

[@2m0ng032]

hahaha

[@kjamison5951]

Apart from criminal damage, what does that achieve?

[@jonathanrose829]

This reminds me of my charepoint home ev charger that needs a new wifi chip. They want me to replace it for $750. I just need the schematic and chip. It's scary how many compaines are doing this. More Oreo the cat please

[@Apollo-Computers]

Why the hell an ev charger need a wifi chip? Let alone quit working when that chip failed.

[@jonathanrose829]

@@Apollo-Computers Firmware updates, Keeping track of charging rates,Monitering if your charger is being used by someone other than the owner,etc. Not all Ev chagers have wifi chips or bluetooth chips. The chargepoint charger will still charge the car and is working just no connectivity.

[@empedance1933]

@@jonathanrose829 thats good that its not a complete brick then lol

[@epicspacetroll1399]

Why does an ev charger need a wifi chip in the first place?

[@thedopplereffect00]

I'd recommend Clipper Creek. No WiFi, reliable, made in USA. Just plug it in and go.

[@VinegarPotato]

2:30 i like the property rights arguments. We should be able to choose the useful life of what we own.

[@_clemens_]

6:35 One small nitpick: to erase most modern SSDs (not sure about Apple though, but pretty sure they support this somehow as well), you don't need to overwrite it. They have some random key generated and store all data with encrpyted this key (and this encoding / decoding happens fully in HW in the SSD controllor). This is also transparant for the OS or formatting, there are filesystem fornat option which will create the filesystem encrypted as well, but this is something else. When performing a "secure erase", this key in the SSD controllor is deleted and replaced with a new random key. All readable data is now actually just random noise. And this T2 stuff and anti second hand stuff is really terrifying.

[@QoraxAudio]

That's called a bitlocker... and yes, it should be the user's responsibility to be careful with their data, not that of the recycler. It's just the generic "safety first" fallacy to justify unethical behavior.

[@kimapr3817]

@@QoraxAudio no, BitLocker is Microsoft's proprietary encryption software.

[@QoraxAudio]

@@kimapr3817 FIlevault. Same thing, different name.

[@independentthinker4881]

I wonder if it would violate the recycler certifications to pull specific chips / components from boards (excluding storage devices) before shredding the boards.

[@andrewt.5567]

Mostly likely would. If it currently did not it would be changed almost immediately. Because the storage is integrated into the boards it will have to say the board and all parts of the board must be destroyed. No one would specify the storage because it makes it far too easy for a technicality to creep in. Otherwise, it would be great if the recycler could heat the board and knock everything off into a bucket and sell it based on "Everything that comes off a XYZ board".

[@independentthinker4881]

@@andrewt.5567 it wouldn't surprise me if you are 100% correct but I was dumbly wondering aloud since I don't have 1st hand knowledge of such contracts.

[@EyesOverWA]

It's called Sustainable Development. The reality of Sustainable development is sustainable profits and profit growth - nothing else....

[@drogenfeld]

it's insane how deep the insatiable greed runs in companies and governments despite many countries living their best lives.

[@I.____.....__...__]

This needs to be legislated, laws need to block manufacturers from voluntarily creating e-waste to maximize profit and punish them if they do (and make the punishment count, not make it an acceptable fee to make more money than the fine). 😒

[@Furluge]

Apple: It's OK. We made a pledge against plastic straws.

[@TeodorLojewski]

4:59 "You end up with a lot of bottom feeding people" Way to sneak past the KZbin slur policy. Oh boy, I love this family friendly content! Hell yeah, damn.

[@3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7]

In Argentina, stolen phones have their users report them stolen to the OEM. The OEM then correlates the owner to the last IMEI that registered to their name, and that IMEI gets added to a blacklist shared between all cell providers in the country. Most importantly though, they can also remove any devices from the blacklist if they get added by mistake or the original owner recovers the device. Blacklisted phones never get allowed on the cellular network again. It would be so simple to extend this to have the cell tower return a special error code that automatically hardlocks the device until it ends up at the local authorities. And it's not hard to use some other technology in a laptop to deliver on this mechanism, too (something akin to Windows license activation, but in reverse, and not controlled directly by Microsoft). It could be as simple as having the device query whether or not its hardware identifier is in a blacklist, and then cache that answer into the secure enclave, any slip-up on the thief's side and it'll be too late, and unless they happened to have access to the blacklist themselves, after it got locked, there would be no way back. Modern devices from all manufacturers could be programmed to have this behavior at the bootloader level. OS sets stolen flag, bootloader gets locked, bootloader queries cell tower on every boot to check if the device ID is absent from the blacklist. Clear flag if that ever happens. Really simple. And when using proper encryption and digital signatures, impossible to fake. And most importantly, this solution allows the right people to unlock the device easily (on Windows laptops, the Intel ME and AMD PSP are capable of implementing this kind of behavior, and the unlock state could be tracked over the onboard Ethernet or standard, special-use USB hardware that legal institutions could have access to. On laptops though, I'd rather this feature be completely opt-in). The main problem I find with this method would be how to prevent ransom towers. The blacklists would have to be signed and already trusted by the device in order to be respected, in a similar vein to how HTTPS works. That in turn would require the mechanism being implemented on an international scale, and the device would have to require the hardware identifier being removed from the same database that had it locked in the first place in order to be unlocked. Either that, or have its certificate revoked by the international certification authorities for any reason (say, if it leaked or was abused by anybody). Then the user could just flash the relevant (manufacturer-signed) firmware update and the device could automatically self-unlock. It's also important that the local trusted authority database be able to be updated independently of the rest of the firmware or device-specific oddities, so that even devices that don't get additional firmware updates can still flash the updated trusted authority database used on a more recent device of the same manufacturer.

[@Rob2]

Unfortunately the IMEI usually is not hardcoded in the device, but it can be altered using a suitable tool (used during manufacture and also by repairpersons who swap the board that holds the IMEI, but the device has to keep its original IMEI). Such tools always find their way into the hands of the criminals, so those blacklisting schemes mainly cause inconvenience and do nothing against the theft of phones.

[@3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7]

@@Rob2 Depends on the tier of your thief. Most thieves over here end up dismantling the phone to sell the parts on the used market instead of doing that. That was the point of passing this mechanism: you can't completely erase all the ways thieves might be able to profit from the things they steal, but you can raise the skill floor required to do that. There's also people who don't bother, just sell account-locked devices, screw over the people who try to get working phones for cheap and then vanish, but again, it's about deincentivizing theft. One way to deincentivize theft is also building a healthier economy that people can thrive in without the need to steal things in the first place, but a surprising amount of people don't seem to see it that way, either. But hey, what are ya gonna do? Anything that isn't taking steps backwards is better than nothing, right? Passing R2R here would hurt that black market once again, which in turn would deincentivize another big source of thievery. Besides, a thief that could change an IMEI or any other hardware serial can also usually break an account lock already. We used to hack the BIOS on gov-provided school PCs that would lock themselves out after the program that had them provided to schools was shut down because the keys to keep them unlocked would stop being given. It's not like DRM, which inconveniences the wrong people most of the time. If the wrong device gets IMEI-locked here, all the owner has to do is get to any of their cell provider's storefronts, report it, verify their identity (using their national ID document), and it gets sorted out in minutes. It happened to my mom when we accidentally reported my grandma's phone stolen (which was under my mom's account). The OEM had that phone allowed back on the cell towers right away, and the correct one blocked. It's easy when the same person that reports the device stolen is the same person that requests that report be reverted. Besides, the system doesn't directly accept IMEIs. They use the IMEI number your cell provider last saw you using, so you can't blacklist or whitelist phones you haven't used legitimately before. I guess a person could sell a phone and then report it stolen, but we have a system for that already as well. It's called a lawsuit.

[@XanatosDavid]

So you want in the end the government to be able to brick any device on the planet, no thank you, i take my payed theft insurance over such a totalitarian dystopy every day.

[@3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7]

@@XanatosDavid I already accounted for that possibility. See, in this system, the manufacturers would get to decide what brick-certificates are bundled with their devices. So in the case of a totalitarian regime, their certificate could be revoked by the manufacturers, and all it'd take is a firmware update to unbrick every affected device. This system would also create new standards organizations whose job would be to regulate the implementation and usage of this mechanism by manufacturers and governments alike. Dividing the control here between multiple discrete organizations is a good thing. The systems we have right now have no regulation, you're speaking as though major manufacturers like Apple, Intel and AMD aren't already theoretically capable of bricking your hardware to their discretion, with or without the government's involvement. Also, thank you for PrivateWin10 :D

[@XanatosDavid]

@@3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7 I don't trust any big organization with this sort of power, being able to remotely brick any device simply goes to far. There are no right people because people are humans and humans are prone to corruption and stupidity. And it makes very well a difference if the OEM can brick something by a bogus firmware update which the user must install manually, or if the device can be bricked over the air/network. A normal firmware does not phone home to get brick lists, so if some OEM would add this it would be discovered ling before it could be used on a large scale by analyzing the network traffic. So the risk of a OEM or a state level actor doing something bad multiples immensely if such a regime would be in place.

[@mattsparks3546]

The entire electronics recycling industry is a scam, for many reasons, but especially what we see in this video. How many old smartphones, tablets, laptops, pcs, macs, etc. Got "recycled" into dust for the mere crime of having "sensitive data" on them? It's not just about the right to repair anymore, it's the right to re-use, and the right to own that is now being targeted by these companies/governments.

[@whatsup89100]

It will always upset me, how I really do enjoy apples products, but their greed has fucking ruined them. It's honestly amazing how much better things were under jobs, and even back than, most people thought they still weren't repairable. If only we knew how bad things were going to get

[@siliconalleyelectronics187]

IMEI information is another big annoyance bricking devices. Is this device 15 days away from being blacklisted? I hope this sketchy third party website can maybe tell me something because the carriers sure won't.

[@Darklor_WCF]

Thank you for continuing to do the thankless job of concisely informing people about the horrible things tech companies / New York government are doing.

[@07szim]

This is why i keep my old electronic products, because its worth way more to me than their willing to give, even if it sits in storage for as long as i can have it.

[@mikelarry2602]

I still got my old ipod.

[@VladMcCain]

Reduce, reuse, recycle... Unless it's our stuff then throw it away and buy moar so we can tell you how your using it wrong

[@Monsux]

Hmm… So there are always more and more “security” reasons. Seems to me that a removable NVMe drive/memory would solve most data privacy issues. When the hardware fails, just remove the drives, so people can't get to it and the user would have a change to restore encrypted data. This used to be the norm, but not anymore. The biggest thing to worry about now is “If my laptop breaks, I lose my data… Or…”.

[@QoraxAudio]

Meh Apple wants to sell you some iCloud plan so that you store all your data in their cloud. That way you can happily buy a new crapple device every two years while also paying monthly fees to Apple.

[@Monsux]

iCloud just seems so weird option with blazing fast laptops. I can always use fast external storage than slow cloud service. I used to be an Apple user 10+ years ago, but the anti consumer stuff make sure that I'm not buying into their ecosystem anymore. I would love some products, but they are ruined with locked things and bad internal design.

[@RickTheGeek]

The idea of not wanting to get devices back to their owners is not just an apple thing. Many moons ago, I was a repair tech at Verizon wireless- back when the Motorola razr was the cool phone. The policy back then if someone brought in a “lost” phone for us to return was to put the phone in the hopeline “old phone donation” bin and the owner would just have to buy a new phone, likely at full retail cost or by signing a new 2 year contract

[@leo.nordmann]

You're such an inspiration man! Soldered my first SMD parts yesterday and apart from destroying two resistors it went very well even with just an iron.

[@hippynurd]

I really really like that your channel has become a beacon of right to repair, thank you, but uh... I really miss those repair videos, your shaking hands and all that good stuff...

[@ianmoone8244]

Just to remember everybody is free to buy one notebook from another company, then choose wisely when you spend your money!

[@zdiddy456]

I know this can be said about almost every single video Louis makes, but more people really need to see this... I am truly sick of how much mega-corporations rule our lives, and yet NOBODY CARES! We continuously let them walk all over us, and then continue to support these corporations with our wallets. I don't know why I am just now having this realization, but WE ALL really need to stop buying products that go against you. Once my new iPhone is in need of being replaced, I will not be returning to Apple this time.

[@zdiddy456]

Thank you Louis for yet another, amazing and very informative video about how mega-corporations are destroying literally everything.

[@TeodorLojewski]

Good choice.

[@PrashantKhanolkarUSA]

Really respect you Louis for continuing to spread awareness and being a champion for right to repair. I cannot even fathom the impact that you have as one individual and his tireless efforts. I salute you Sir.

[@raven4k998]

security simply means erasing the hard disk to wipe personal data killing the machine is just such a waste of hardware

[@patrickfullan9509]

You seem happier since you left the peoples republic of newyorkistan.

[@DavidSkorut]

I understand you love what you do, but I think this goes to show how important technological literacy is for our legislators and regulators. I wish more people exactly like you-with hands on experience in these technical fields-would consider running for one of these political offices to more formally inform the public about these issues and make knowledgeable policy decisions moving forward.

[@nunyabusiness7602]

People like Louis are honest. That's counter to the mind-set needed for politics. Sad, but true.

[@greatestone4eva]

i agree.

[@jacksongunner7122]

You are mistaken, it is not that they don't understand, it is that they are paid NOT to understand. Corruption, pure and simple.

[@KnightspaceORG]

@@jacksongunner7122 It's both, most likely

[@GrimmsDeath]

Last Friday on the WAN show, Linus genuinely argued for a good system involving hardware locking devices. He obviously didn't mean this but that's the problem, you can argue a good system but companies will abuse it.

[@iluvpandas2755]

lol

[@NigelMontezuma]

Louis Rossmann encourages repairs of computers regardless of what condition they're in!

[@lukedavis436]

I don't really think people would appreciate me wasting time repairing machines at work (i was told this to my face :( But hell... I wanna fix stuff!... Weather it be a 2004 Acer Travelmate running XP or a brand new Windows 10 Dell lattitude 3410 with tea damage... So be it!!! Reduce... Recycle But everyone forgets the middle word ***REUSE!***

[@The_Boctor]

If you think about it, the MacBook Pro is the true successor to old CRTs. It's reminiscent of both their hefty weight and the environmental factors of leaden glass. Apple made a real green innovation by gluing treated glass to aluminum.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@Cmdrbzrd Yeah, CRTs were user serviceable. Sort of. High voltages obviously meant you could fry yourself, but everyone could in theory open the thing and turn the potentiometers to adjust the beam. Which reminds me that I have to do that on one of my old monitors. Oh, and CRTs were reusable. I have one made in 1999 that is still in perfectly working condition that I got for free from someone who was already the 3rd owner of it. Can't do that with those macs

[@lukedavis436]

Working inside Vintage macs (i own a G3, Emac and classic) is a general NIGHTMARE... I'm absolutely terrified I'll shock myself someday... Hense why maintenance takes soooo long

[@The_Boctor]

@@HappyBeezerStudios To be fair to the CRTs, and because I'm guilty of having a PVM, in seriousness, yes they are nice to work on. Back in the day, the lead glass could be recycled, into more lead glass for CRTs!

[@oldtc3615]

The funny thing is that they remove the drive for security but they then sell used drives. I bought one, it was erased but not completely. I used recovery software and found the drive came from Halliburton. Had lots of emails, pictures, internal memos of operations on it. Most of it related to maintenance and repair estimates of oil refineries but also internal programs and announcements for employees.

[@raven4k998]

I love how windows has a drive wiping option the erase you data from the drive sure it take a day to do but bottom line it can do it during a reset as an option if you want to resell the system afterwards and apple dose not have this option why cause then they would be copying Microsoft🤣🤣🤣

[@TheFatDemon]

Kinda sad that Apple doesn't have a contact-original-owner process for verification. Admittedly it might be a bit hard to actually do something like that (not saying it's impossible). I had my iPhone stolen in Mexico when I was visiting family and turns out it's a pretty common occurrence since people just steal them for parts. In many cases original owner may not remember what email account they associated with a device so it's impossible to prove that the phone was theirs. And if it's a phone call, impersonation could be a thing if the owner keeps the SIM card in the phone or moves it to another phone. This doesn't excuse Apple (and other big company's behaviors) but just felt like I'd share some of what I've seen in countries less fortunate than ours.

[@pineappleroad]

One solution to the activation lock problem would be to make it so that you can submit a request to remove activation lock, and if the device is not marked as stolen at that point, any devices signed into that apple id display a prompt, and if the device is not either “released” by the original owner, or marked as stolen within 90 days (either by the original owner responding to the prompt, or by it being reported stolen to the police), activation lock is automatically removed But of course, apple would never do that

[@Sebastian-hg3xc]

Apple will remove the activation lock if you have proof you purchased the device. They do actually do what you suggest.

[@AndrewMerts]

@@Sebastian-hg3xc proof that you purchased the device from an Apple authorized seller, including the serial number and date of purchase, and a photo ID. Do you still have a copy of your receipt for your iCrap? If not then Apple doesn't care, you might as well be talking to a brick wall, they aren't going to help you other than try to sell you a new one.

[@ochykysh]

@@AndrewMerts You don't store you receipts that come via email? Do you still buy in store ? Are we in 2004?

[@Sebastian-hg3xc]

@@AndrewMerts Nice shifting the goal post, dude. I get it, you hate apple for some reason. But the original dude and the guy in this video are wrong. Deal with it.

[@AndrewMerts]

@@Sebastian-hg3xc You're the one shifting goal posts here. Apple doesn't do anything like what the guy you responded to was suggesting. Most used devices do not go through Apple authorized resellers and most users are not going to keep proof of purchase around forever. What @pineappleroad suggested was allowing someone buying a used device to unlock it unless the account it's locked to reports it stolen within a reasonable timeframe. You coming out with "But Apple already does that if you're the original owner and you still have proof" is complete Apples and Oranges and I find it hard to believe that you genuinely don't understand how different those two things are.

[@kchilz32]

All these “earth loving” corporations encourages to buy new vs fixing. Our front loader washer front plastic door cover broke and they wanted over $250 dollars for a piece of plastic and went on to say that the other option was to buy a new washer. I called them on their hypocrisy 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@Olivia-W]

For some products, I've been able to 3D design replacements and print them. It's not the easiest solution, but does save stuff.

[@billfusionenterprise]

Neat idea. Make a reboot setup that allows transfer with full data wipe. And make it a green feature

[@mdamaged]

Apple is not a good company, quit giving them money.

[@vincentvega3093]

I am in conflict with apple for a non working macbook pro for 8! Months. Its crashing with kernel panic all the time. So far they told me to wait for updates to fix it. Machine should be exchange from the get go. If they give me a refurb instead of a new machine I'm ebaying it and am done with apple

[@mackenziebullied4900]

Just please stop using Apple computers. If you really like MacOS just run that on a virtual PC

[@vincentvega3093]

@@mackenziebullied4900 i have hackintosh. But needed mobility/ battery life

[@mackenziebullied4900]

@@vincentvega3093 well i guess ryzen laptops are now a thing

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@vincentvega3093 Does it need to run macOS? Would a Windows or Linux machine also do the job for your tasks?

[@Blatstein]

XPS line works extremely well

[@nemesis851_]

Destroy (literally) the 2nd hand market (which Apple makes NO MONEY from)

[@emilkharisov7031]

MacOS has a feature called virtualization, and also it has an encryption system in HFS+, so all of this can be integrated into a boot sequence. Login - Failed? - Then create another user with AppleID but other user's data will be encrypted in a new separate partition until original owner/Apple will decide to unlock it and you'll be in a new virtual environment with leftover space. Software that locks hardware is evil but it can be done at an acceptable level.

[@gehadsheha4775]

That’s a million dollar idea if i ever saw one.

[@sakaraist]

You see, your issue here is that there's no extra money going into apples wallet. Jokes aside, I do agree that would be a good implementation. I'm sure they'll adopt it after someone else does and call it their own.

[@1337GameDev]

This is EXACTLY why we need ways to officially bypass icloud locks for people who merely forgot or abandoned a device. It's so shit to see devices being FORCED to be unrepairable due to parts and labor, and then somebody wants to save money and repair one -- only to find out they can't. My first macbook was a repaired 2009 MBP. It needed a new screen and the HDD died. Easy fix. The previous owner didn't want to deal with it, but I bought a screen for $50 and took the time to take apart the glass assembly and fix it. It took me a few hours -- but ended up costing me: $200 + $50 + $40 + 3 hours of labor while watching tv. A steal. Good condition ones were easily $600 at the time. But now... to make the repairs impossible with costs for repair soaring / icloud lock.... It's literally just trying to eliminate the 2nd hand market for most people.

[@happykill123]

A friend gave me his old iPad then I never spoke with him again, but it was still locked to his account so it was just a paperweight.

[@mementocity]

stolen*

[@samgorin9836]

Amazon and eBay get back end money (Co-OP/MDF/ADVERTISING) to lock out smaller sellers. eBays Refurb program has a long and strict NDA (what would you need an NDA for, for selling a refurb bluray player ???)(and those who will speak about it, say that it threatens heavy legal action if violated). Its as much restraint of free trade as it is green-washing and just a waste. How many Macbooks could be fixed etc and then either resold or given to those those dont have (low income/college students/new immigrants). Its all a game and one that is designed to hurt and not help.

[@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece]

Seems very green to me. It makes them a lot of green.

[@dots560]

🤣🤣

[@hollow_dystopia]

lmao

[@siyzerix]

This is the reason why I like gaming laptops. They're one of the few bastions of repair still there. However, they too are being bombarded with BS soldered parts. Asus soldering half the ram for some odd reason. Then you've got razer just soldereing all their ram. Gaming laptops prove you don't need to have soldered parts to have thin and light laptops. When an $800 MSI Gf65 thin can be 1.8kg, pack a 80w rtx 3060, etc WITH upgradable ram, storage, etc. then there's no reasons 15' laptops of a similar weight with much less powerful parts have soldered parts. OEM's or whoever is responsible of propogating soldered parts is just fooling us.

[@Operational117]

This is a severely damaging limitation. At this point, we should all just ignore Apple’s written requirements for their products and use their products for spares or repair anyway. As Thomas Jefferson once said: “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, *he is obligated to do so.”* And I believe this should apply doubly so for corporate “laws”. If they’re so hellbent on forcing us to grind their boards to dust, *we should exploit their boards to kingdom come!*

[@lukedavis436]

I stopped using apple units in 2017 when i first got my Windows 7 Tower. The macbooks i own are merely old units i have in my collection... The last one i used was a 2012 which is STILL use able today with mods

[@voiceofreason9258]

@Louis Rossmann - Is this why Microsoft is requiring TPM 2.0 devices to be in all new computers? A ploy to follow Apple's lead to eventually lock down PCs for control of the market?

[@frag0mat1c]

This "system" is not to prevent stolen devices from being useful, it is purely to force repair shops out of the repair market. There are ways that Louis covers to allow for the stolen device issue to be dealt with, without destroying reuse, recycle efforts. I believe their main drive is to use this to force purchase of new devices.

[@Sebastian-hg3xc]

Ironically, it works perfectly to prevent stolen devices from being useful.

[@jordanlarayne7067]

My MacBook is 9 years old and works fine tbh but I’ve never let the battery go completely dead when you do the battery’s low voltage can short out the board which is very common on MacBooks that aren’t used but this is insane they are wasting so many precious metals while destroying equipment that’s actually functional. They have no right to computers they ALREADY SOLD !!! There’s towns in rural China where everyone’s dying cause they ground up EWASTE in there villages. It’s crazy the amount of toxins ground up boards can contain

[@baloney_sandwich]

It's very hard to resist the 0% APR monthly installments when buying with the Apple card with a trade in. Essentially u keep owning to Apple whenever a new product is released.

[@davide4725]

Not really. 0% APR means nothing when the cost of their products is already ridiculous.

[@hinz1]

Hope that videos makes more people avoid Apple garbage, because it won't stop, unless people refuse to buy that crap. 10 year old Thinkpad W530 and Linux works perfectly fine for me, I have no need for deepbugged Apple junk.

[@ismaeltorres3219]

A couple months ago, I messed up in my m1 air install and try to reinstall it using a USB. I figured just like every other computer and every older MacBook pre 2018, I could just boot it into the flash drive and erase my drive and reinstall. Nope. Erasing my drive rebooted a computer, then give me a nice little circle and the mac startup web page. I had to use a whole number Mac to reinstall a fucking operating system. I use my 2015 MacBook, which I ended up fucking up that installed very recently, but I got to fix it on my own with my on hand USB drive. I went to Apple about my issue, and their solution was to set an appointment that would take weeks to get to. There's only a few set of MacBooks left without the stupid T2 chip or apple silicon. I'm glad I haven't paid for most of my Macs, because this is just absolutely hilarious that you get to pay to be treated like a person with special needs.

[@TomekSw]

Let's imagine some business would do it with cars, or planes, or houses? Not now, maybe in 2030s? Who knows? WTF world are we living for? :(

[@gustavosaliola]

Apple keeps doing the impossible possible to piss off people with common sense. I'm thinking on buying a used M1 Macbook Pro from Swappa, now that so many are selling them to upgrade to M2. In fact, i'd buy from Rossmann Group if you had a site like Swappa.

[@odder5154]

Hey Louis you can now iCloud unlock any iCloud locked device (iPhone, iPad, Mac!) With an ebay purchased receipt now. Just needs to not be reported lost/stolen. No idea if it's an error and it will be stopped at any moment, but if you can get a device unlocked, it will stay unlocked!

[@grmnlxndr]

Isn't reusing way "greener" than recycling? I mean, it shouldn't be hard to have some kind of "system" to prevent this massive numbers of locked macs, ipads, iphones, etc. For example, the device gets locked, but if after 30/60 days the owner does not "mark" the device as stolen in iCloud, an option appears in the device to do a full clean of the drive and start as new. A lot of these devices could be reused, resold, and so on. It is sad to see tons of perfectly functional devices being thrown away. There are a lot of kids and schools that can make good use of them as well.

[@Username-hw6ee]

Their headphones man!!! Airpods and Airpods pro are horrific for the environment (but great for anyone with Applecare +). So I buy a pair of airpods and pay for $30 applecare+. I can now get them replaced twice during the warranty period for free. Its based on their 80% of battery capacity rule with AppleCare +. But heres where it gets stupid , they have no way to check the battery capacity! They have a rule on their devices that is literally 100% impossible for their apple stores to check. So you can go in and tell them your battery lasts 2 hours compared to the new battery life and they are basically required to give you a new pair and since they cant replace the old batteries they're just ewaste mulch at this point. I've done this like 6 times now from airpods to airpods pro. If you really want to get the best deal, use a credit card with extended warranty (Chase offers this on some of their cards) and now on the third year you can warranty claim it to your credit card company because the battery capacity is under the apple guarantee. Then buy a new pair with the money and pay for another $30 applecare +. How hard would it be for apple to either make a tool to check the remaining battery life or to even just make the batteries replaceable? Its madness for a company that loves to tout it's enviromental creds.

[@robmorgan1214]

This is REAL environmentalism. Keep it up Louis!!! Apple boarded the -utopian- totalitarian train a decade ago. Hopefully that train takes them some place warm.

[@Ness_and_Sonic]

If it doesn't say anything about destroying the chips, I'd suggest removing them from the board, then destroy the board and store the chips to maliciously comply with Apple.

[@raysoucie489]

There is a push for MORE Electric Cars and our Grid is no ready...I mentioned that one of my Employers watched some of your Repair videos and he STILL uses those older machines

[@wta1518]

My physics/computer science teacher has a print out of an old Apple ad (as in rainbow logo old) that says -"Changing- Corrupting the world, one device at a time".

[@jpalmz1978]

This is plain criminal. When companies like google, facebook, amazon etc get fined for anti-competition behaviour as a consumer I could not give a rats arse, but this really boils my piss. It is also the reason I will not buy an Apple Macbook regardless of its specification.

[@bubba99009]

Should your TV also be locked to you and have to be thrown in the landfill when you get rid of it? This is never gonna stop crackheads from stealing your stuff anyway. The whole point is to kill the secondary market so they can sell more MacBooks. It's a corporate version of cash for clunkers.