ORIGINS vs VEILGUARD Comparison

[@xelldincht4251]

Dragon Age Origins managed to tell a simple story in a great way (through moments like the rhyming oak tree or the brood mother quest). It had good characters and dialogue. That was the heart and soul of this game series

[@JulioFrosi]

@@xelldincht4251 those moments left a huge mark in my gaming memories.

[@jihadjoe4957]

They must have been a big fan of Tolkien, since that's how the Ents speak in the books.

[@cookytrix]

what series? there is only one game. i seriously think DAO was accidentally brilliant. after seeing the complete trash these people came up with after. not kidding. id we could have free cam in pause with veilguard and take control of companions, it might be a semi tolerable game. every game after DAO was just another action rpg basically.

[@gorxela8982]

Damn, haven't played Origins in years, but just in a couple of clips it shows how much superior it's writing is compared to Veilguard. And not only writing, animations, gameplay, design - if Dragon Age Origins released this year with current year graphics I very much believe it would've matched or even surpassed BG3.

[@CmdrCello]

Duncan died for this. RIP dragon age

[@mfo6892]

Soundtrack to DAO also deserves some credit. I remember getting goosebumps from fighting Darkspawn on the deep roads and Alistair yelling "For the Grey Wardens!" and slamming his shield on some dudes face while that Epic music was on the background.

[@ryansookram4023]

Just the launch screen music alone is so good.

[@FoxyFoxlyn]

​@@ryansookram4023I was just about to say this too.

[@LucasStaffel]

I started replaying it and completely forgot about how stupid good the intro song was... caught meself just sitting in front of the main menu, crossed arms and just there listening to it... 18 year old me would cry in anger if he knew where this franchise went...

[@Humpdurious]

30 seconds to mars being in there was peak 2000s gaming era.

[@iro6758]

In all seriousness, the audio files for that game are off the charts. The opening theme *rocks the actual !@#$* out of a high-end sound system. (Seriously, if you hook it up to a proper home entertainment system - as opposed to basic gamer setup - you will hear entire notes that you've never heard. *It's amazing.* )

[@무군]

DAO: Made by a team of A Song of Ice and Fire fans DAV: Made by a team of Disney Pixar fans

[@abbthedreamer8378]

I'm a Disney Pixar fan, but even me are not immune to the cringe that game inflicts.

[@Umael84]

Imagine a Dragon Age game with Bg3 graphics ,maybe a tone darker with real time and pause combat like in Orgins, omg!

[@KOBEASTXIV]

We could only wish :(

[@Naamturd101]

It'll happen. The success of BG3 is going to have a slew of cRPGs in the next 4 - 6 years.

[@MattRoadhouse]

Definitely what it could have been Maybe Larian will get the next DA lel

[@Art0r1a]

The game itself aside, the art style of Diablo IV would fit the world of Dragon Age well IMHO. If anyone, Larian would be the best choice as developers.

[@JulioFrosi]

Origins graphics aged well, because it had great art style. Veilguard graphics will age poorly.

[@sinenomine3449]

They're not gonna age because nobody will be playing this piece of thrash in a month

[@ilgiallo0]

This is unfair , that game have an incredible art graphic and style , except for models of enemies , but that will be fixed with a mod

[@Skumtomten1]

I agree. I mean it's funny because Origins looked really bad graphically when it came out in late 2009. Oblivion that was released 2006 looked better in many ways (Not the characters though lol). Still, the artsyle is very unique and carries the graphics. I can instantly tell from a picture or video that it's Dragon Age Origins, it's so distinct and awesome I just love it. Some of the outdoor areas do look really bad though, even for 2009 standards. Many interior areas do look really nice so I would say it's pretty inconsistent in terms of graphics. I never really cared though about it's graphics though, the game is so good anyway and I always get very immersed despite it's rather poor graphics, but great artsyle as you said

[@JulioFrosi]

Yeah, man. I think art style beats graphics any day, although both are really important.

[@iro6758]

Another thing worth noting, is that the artists didn't know what the game engine was going to be able to handle, because they were "drawing" while the engine was being made. This means that many images are way higher res than they needed to be at the time, which works out pretty well for us today lol (As opposed to this game, which was made in the cheapest way imaginable for an engine that can't handle combat properly)

[@MattRoadhouse]

FYI: for modders out there. Nexus has a massive amount of ways to throw a fresh coat of paint on Origins. Plus tweak/expand some systems

[@colonelnasty3600]

I’ll have to check them out. I always forget about mods unless it’s morrowind or oblivion

[@SeriousPeaches]

FYI a lot of those mods will break your game, especially the texture ones

[@jmmywyf4lyf]

Nexus also censors anything not vehemently leftwing propaganda

[@gurugeorge]

There's a mod guide from YT user Call Me Frosty that's still very good and step-by-step, not much has changed in the last few years, although new mods do crop up now and then.

[@baddogkelevra1]

Dragon Age Redesigned and Improved Atmosphere alone do wonders

[@Suffkopp0815]

Finally somebody who agrees that only Origins was worth its salt.

[@abhuyllongfellow4233]

Story-wise I agree. I loved the combat in DA2. Story is meh, but still has a lot of soul. Inquisition being GOTY, says more about how shitty the year itself was than it says about Inquisition. Lame combat, awful story.

[@majuli8420]

​@@abhuyllongfellow4233agreed. DOI was such a letdown. The writing was terrible, the locations stuffed with filler. The characters /companions were alright, though. Still, wouldn't replay it. Only Origins for me.

[@smiterofbarbarians4711]

I replayed DA2 this summer and it's my favorite now. You just need to actually pay attention to what you are doing.

[@Fedaygin]

​@@abhuyllongfellow4233 Goty as in Garbage of the Year when comes to triple a games. It's also a disgrace to rpg genre. Worth of EA Pro Sub that has it ✅

[@toastyanon8902]

DA2 was a great Qunari-focused DLC stretched out into a disappointing sequel.

[@crimsiden]

I remember just chilling in camp listening to leliana's stories over and over. Easily some of the best character dialogue in the series.

[@spellandshield]

In an effort to promote your videos Lord RPG I shall leave this comment before even consuming the video!

[@esmolol4091]

DAO had a simple formula: Give players the OPTION to have an impact on your journey and make em face the consequences. Who would have guessed that the freedom to decide comes with the responsibility to swallow the result...

[@Deku20235]

My problem with Veilguard is the terrible writing yes, but I can only inject at certain moments and times with my dialogue, but not every every thing that is spoken to me like in origins. They set the narrative with 4/5 lines and then I can only interject a small part of the story in my way...which is still not my way. Since my char already spoke back and forth.

[@dizzyheads]

It feels like a story and struggles of certain visions were already complete rather than used to create a story No struggles just something given to them by some previous people who didn't exist before

[@MattStevens9824]

in DAO, you got invested in the characters because of the writing, You also got attached to the scenery and locations because the words always supported the lore and your motivations. In Veilguard, the writing feels shallow and conversations are like compliance waypoints.

[@pauldesilets6005]

I appreciate you playing the game to give us a real view of things. Your channel is a dire necessity in the modern world of gaming, and veilguard is an example of why. Thankyou for your service

[@JulioFrosi]

RIP Bioware. For me it was already dead in DA Inquisition.

[@discipleofdeath2517]

@@JulioFrosi Same didn't get far in inquisition, the combat just felt wrong when I tried it.

[@TheTomoyaNagase]

for real as much as DA:I gets praised by people I didn't enjoy it. I was already checked out of DA4 (Veilguard/Dreadwolf) when they said that it would be a continuation of Inquisition...

[@macsays9689]

Don’t get it either the world combat and build were shallow. It was nothing but fetch quests

[@distantthunder12ck55]

Agreed, Borequisition was so tedious, soulless, with unlikeable characters and pathetically dumbed down, bad combat. In reality the last BioWare game I actually enjoyed was Mass Effect 3 and that was flawed.

[@jmmywyf4lyf]

Same for me.. DAI was the funeral.. Absolutely despise that game.. in fact it was so bad it retroactively changed my opinion of Dragon Age 2 from overwhelmingly negative to at least tolerable

[@latestgreatest5116]

If the day comes and BioWare implodes, let's hope another studio will pick up Andraste's Ashes and do a DA:O remake :)

[@mfo6892]

The warrior body slamming the ground looks so silly. DAO was the hit back then because everyone was starving for some good CRPGs.

[@Spr1ggan87]

Kinda funny how how Bioware caused a Western CRPG resurgence with BG then did the same again with DAO, now the studio has become one of their very own reaper husks.

[@geoffreypotter836]

The first time an ogre showed up in Origins, I was legit scared.

[@sepion85]

You forgot the ability to program your whole effing party how to react to what. Do that right and you can simply watch them killing the enemy in droves, use abilities or items, that was/is so awesome.

[@discipleofdeath2517]

Stop stop it's already dead let the abomination die.

[@kingjabon]

No don't let it die. This needs to be said every day for a long time, they need to know we are tired of this garbage

[@jmmywyf4lyf]

Nah.. This is as entertaining as watching all the election meltdowns

[@baddogkelevra1]

Abomination is a pretty fitting word to use given the lore of these games. A demonic entity attaching itself to a formerly magical individual, using its corpse as a puppet to enact its nefarious goals and leaving nothing behind.

[@discipleofdeath2517]

@baddogkelevra1 I'd also have used a shambling corpse but abomination wasn't as wordy hahaha.

[@Abbadon380]

15 year old game....yeah just remind me I am an ancient relic from another age Hahaha

[@Dan01-01]

And then we hear things of the sort "old games are ending modern gaming" Modern gaming is simply ending itself

[@RallasterAsuremen]

Imagine if your first RPG was Dragon Warrior then, archeologists are pecking at you like they do dinosaur bones!👺

[@face112]

You know the game is good when the tank is guarding you with his life. Look at that beautiful bash ;D 20:24

[@purefoldnz3070]

Origins is 8.5 from fans on Meta Critics and Veilguard is 3.5 which says it all.

[@rpgdivision]

That's quite realistic.

[@Ukayeah]

You know what Veilguard looks like? Throne and liberty, but throne and liberty was never a Sequel from something I loved (origins) it is just a standard mmo, damn, it breaks my heart to see something like this.

[@fantazjo]

i'm not going to play veilguard but there are few abandoned things after origins 1. grey wardens as main faction (hard to imagine more unique and interesting than that one) 2. mabari companion (dragon age 2 had one as summoning skill but more dog looking and almost without any story or interaction to it) 3. the awakening (architect and awakened dark spawn were a fascinating mystery and a completely wasted chance for future faction and maybe even race choice)

[@IDRio]

I'm one of those people that fell in love with the genre because of DA:O. DA2 and inquisition was really disappointing for me, and through your video back then I found out divinity 2 and immediately feel in love. Long since I've accepted that Dragon Age is no longer the same, but watching this make me sad and wonder what the franchise could be if the original vision was kept.

[@theesper7404]

Somebody tell me why they said veilguard had the most written and voiced lines but yet origins seems to have waaay more.

[@ffffdsd]

Simple. Origins had good dialogue which you wanted to remember Veilguard has garbage that you immediately want to forget

[@theesper7404]

@ffffdsd I just found my ps3 and popped this game in 🤣

[@Naamturd101]

The banter in Origins is untouched. I bit the bullet and played through Veilguard, it's a shame the dialogue is so bad. The over arching story is solid and some of the later locations, especially the dwarven city, are awesome. EDIT: Also the music in Veilguard is quite good. I haven't played Origins in a decade - can't remember what the music was like.

[@dannyjackon7697]

Great thing about dao is that they are not afraid to put some cool missions/weapons out off the way from the main story like you had to look for them and it was worth it dav doesnt want you to miss a thing and holds your hand most the time.

[@wollyram6248]

There is a tweak to stop origins from crashing, it's so old the engine doesn't know what to do with modern hardware.

[@DAh-xo8zm]

Yes, you have to drop textures from maximum to medium - something like that. Not had a crash since.

[@TheBlackLightMan]

My wife said this: the veilguard is like eating cotton candy, while origins is like eating a steak. In the moment the cotton candy is satisfying, but it doesnt have the ability to actually fill your belly, and satisfy all your wants and needs, where as the steak is filling, flavorful, and keeps you lingering on the meal for hours talking about how delicious it was. She liked playing veilguard once. But didnt find its plotholes and lack of rpg options worthwhile. Missed the old days. Both of us are crbg fans and I couldn't agree more with her assessment, she didnt find the writing satisfying and is way more casual than myself about games.

[@khal7702]

I had no PC but had PS3, it was first proper CRPG on console.

[@ThatDjinn]

Origins is a proper classic-design RPG. Veliguard is a sermon with attached beat-em-up minigame.

[@mikeity2009]

It breaks my heart seeing how lost the series has become, it makes it hard for me to even go back and enjoy origins knowing what's become of it and how some of the questions that origins asked of the lore originally like the architect will never be answered. Also seeing as how veilguard completely butchered loghains character.... Yeah. This series is dead to me.

[@randalthor6872]

I can't even imagine how bad it must feel to have actually purchased this game! haha

[@Geralto7]

Started following you since the POE Deadfire build guides....you're so on point! Origins got me into the classic RTWP games, allowed for deep ai companion customization, and gave a satisfying degree of player choice for most quests. The groundwork laid had so much potential....

[@Spr1ggan87]

You need to replace the default exe with the one that has the 4Gb patch applied to stop Origins crashing all the time, the vanilla game was made with a 2Gb limit and still has an unfixed memory leak.

[@RanYard]

what I like with DAO is I can make a save on most fights before you engage enemies and can try different strategies to defeat them cause you can position your companions on the map.

[@soldier660]

thanks for the nice video, reminded me of good times ^^ !!!

[@blackcat7k]

13:35 You've got writers at a million dollar studio and they come up with: *_"The Viper"_* Hot damn, no wonder some studios are going to start using stuff like ChatGPT.

[@jhol310]

I liked DA2 cuz it was just streamlined battle simulator basically. Not as fleshed-out as origins, tho. Still fun to build a group and stuff. 3 was not fun at all imo. Too much. Changed too much

[@AtreyusNinja]

Hello, i am He/Him

[@CheeseburgerCake]

There's a mod to fix font size in DA:O , definitely recommend it, then you can play da:o on 4k without issues and looks amazing

[@ruperterskin2117]

Appreciate ya. Thanks for sharing.

[@mrmurdock6994]

Dragon Age Origins is the best RPG ever made. The combat is the perfect combination of action and strategy, something no one game ever managed to archive. The story is phenomenal, the choices for each chapter and the outcomes, masterpiece. This game is god like.

[@Swizz12]

No, there is better stuff out there, but it was a really nice RPG back then and I played it plenty. I'd rate KOTOR2, Ultima Underworld 1&2 and, Baldurs Gate 1,2,3, above it, to name a few - and several others like Original Sin 1&2 KOTOR 1, Morrrowind, Skyrim and Arcanum, could slot in above or below Origins, according to taste. I adjust my expectations relative to the year when each was launched, otherwise old games would never compete with more modern ones, graphically, but the oldest of the games like Ultima Underworld were quite revolutionary for their time and great fun to play. Some of what I loved best (in Origins) was the way you could set up a very specific table that prioritised what you and your companions would do in many situations in combat when you weren't controlling them (and you could jump into any companion to run them manually whenever you wanted). I also loved the varied background beginnings depending on which race you ran. How much better (and how much more effective) your companions were then, compared to the almost useless, uncontrollable nobodies you run around with in Veilguard. Morrigan (in Origins) was an absolute badass by mid-levels as a spellcaster - and it was very tough to leave Varric behind, as well. The strongest, most fun Dragon Age character after Origins was (imo) Cassandra - now there was another powerful female character, she was a fearsome fighter, was beautifully voiced, with really good dialogue to go with it.

[@Thanatos2k]

It's stupefying how bad the dialogue has become. Some of the worst I have ever seen.

[@DAh-xo8zm]

Veilguard is the second Bioware game (Anthem is the other) that needs a completely new team to rework every aspect of the game in the world they made. The Anthem world was beautiful. The Veilguard world looks pretty nice too.

[@Blackenedification]

DA Origins needs a remaster

[@ryanzz1357]

love this perspective

[@MrParis215]

Literally decided to Play today just based off this Video

[@thant0s]

And this isn't even taking the radical activist writing involved with Veilguard by comparison to Origins. Thanks for the breakdown 🍻

[@bayramaktas4135]

I like playing DA:V, it's just different than its predecessors because it's more based on the comics, hence the colorful graphics and the cartoon-like character design, e.g. Neve and Belara who only appear in the comics.

[@ravenroc1784]

I love origins!💙 They had good writers back then. I like the characters models in that better than failguard too!

[@CiceroSolo]

How exciting, I’ve always wanted Dracula to tell me how good DA origins is

[@Cablabeer]

Maybe I'll sum it up too simply. Origins was made to feel "hero from zero" and immersive. Veilguard is just an uninteresting project with no soul.

[@VojislavMoranic]

Correct me if i am wrong but didnt they promise us a dark and expansive Tevinter? To explore and hunt down that elf guy? To grapple with the Slave using Empire and their different church and value system? Why did we get a mario forever game instead?

[@CiceroSolo]

Oh man, it’s crazy that they show an image indicating how your dialogue option will be interpreted or the likely outcome of that line. Imagine having that level of disrespect for your audience.

[@higaluto]

Im suprised no one has brought up the subtle pink colors chosen in game......

[@Darqion]

Oh man i love me some Origins. Played through that so often... Combat on nightmare after the very early game does get pretty easy if you want it to be.. Just bring enough mages. Though i guess knowing where the ambushes are after the first few playthroughs reduced the difficulty a fair bit Just hearing my boy Alistair and the music was enough to remember that i should maybe try another playthrough.. After i finish my BG3 run Some parts of veilguard looked like they couldve been fun.. the skill tree looks somewhat interesting> Havent seen people get into it much, since most people complain about the writing (and much deserved).. Maybe i'll pick it up on a deeeeeep discount at some point..

[@Umael84]

Aside with the nostslgia DaO is a very good game even today!

[@drgcneg2602]

I let the video run to help with the metrics but i'm not gonna subject myself to this torture. I cant believe how low this series has fallen

[@MeanMartian]

15 year old game and you can have a dog, already a better game by miles with that metric alone... Keep up the good shit you awesome bastard! 🔥👍💯

[@t4c00p]

"So, is Origins really that good?" Hell yes. I also enjoyed DA2 and DAI. Sorry you didn't.

[@ainikki7006]

I liked them all too but Origins is special to me :) Didn't like Veilguard. Returned after 8 hours.

[@benyblancofrbx]

For Algorithm!! 🤖💕 PS Watch this vid got me restarting DAO.....ty

[@Elknkam]

Vailguard is already on sale

[@EthanLightnet]

I don't have time to explain who's the greyist grey Warden.

[@Pharmboy6]

Every veilguard defender needs to watch this. People aren't hating game bc of transgender scars and pronoun arguments. Tho that doesn't help

[@msd85TvT]

I miss the tactical RPG combat… wouldn’t mind a more polished, updated version….but alas.

[@HeathenSWolf]

I swear the area design is amazing in this one and quite a number of games nowadays. More often then not I find myself feeling sorry for the amazing talent of people who work on areas/nature/architecture and general scene design of current games. Everything else is so bad that this talent is just not recongized enough.

[@burningsheep4473]

Perhaps Dragon Age - Origins deserves some praise. It's solid as far as character development and combat are concerned. There is some dialogue reactivity outside of the beginning as well and some of the areas have good pacing and a decent variety of content. But it also has frequently aesthetically dull environments that often contain an unending row of tiresome samey combat encounters and a dearth of anything else. The plot mostly happens in cutscenes and without the player as we "gather" the four McGuffins. It's a good cRPG in the better areas, but often becomes a frustrating chore in the weaker ones.

[@ainikki7006]

On PC you can change this, outright skipping areas of little interest or great frustration (like the Fade), and there are fan projects/mods that make other areas, like the Arl of Denerim's Estate , a *lot* more interesting. Origins on its own is a good game. Origins with mods is incredible. You don't just get to choose your character choices with Origins, you get to choose the whole experience. I love the mod that lets you take your dog everywhere, for instance, and would never play without it.

[@red-merlin]

Totally agree that origins is the only good dragon age in the series. Every other sequel was just a disappointment to me. Didn't Even entertain the idea of playing veilguard cuz i knew it was just gonna move farther away from the first game

[@Gungrave123]

Veilguard falls apart when compared directly to Inquisition too. Don't kid yourselves. Its not a gradual transformation.

[@quitwastinmytime]

Veilguard crashed probably 100 times in my playthrough - about 20 percent of the times I fast-traveled. It also failed to load game triggers that left a quest uncompleteable and left me spending a long while running around thinking there was some puzzle I had to solve.

[@cttommy73]

DA2 is so much better than people give it critic for. Especially when it only had less than 2 years of development. It had no right to be as good as it is. Combat was worse but story and companion was still an absolute banger.

[@DarkKing009]

I'm convinced this Dragon Age 4 was written by eunuch and cowards. It's too safe no racial politics. Or companions overcoming their personal bigotry. Such as Leliana, Aveline, and Dorian Pavus.

[@micheal5973]

Middle of a play through myself. And ya origins does have issues, whichever dev has a hard on for rogues and putting locked chests everywhere you don’t have access to your party… or the dumb quest you need to fire a bow and heaven help you if you main a mage or warrior late game where all the bows require 30+ dex and a cross bow ain’t gonna work. Other then that you have so many options and play styles to choose from it’s honestly insane.

[@greenbeast2352]

I tried going back to it too but can't even get the game to run

[@chriskociolek1830]

Thanks for suffering through 10 hours of this excruciating pile of 💩 so I don’t have to. Way to take one for the team brahim!! 🇭🇷

[@dropkoo]

for Algorithm Age !

[@luvstagrind]

$70 for an inferior product and people are praising it with 9's and 10's

[@zk116]

Duncan died for this lol.

[@yurimakarov2329]

Dragon Age VEILGUARD identify itself like RPG, but it`s not

[@filipesilveira5360]

Alistair sounds like Gale from Bg3.

[@ch4osangel821]

F now i gotta to play it again .

[@demonfandango]

The more videos I watch in regard to Veilguard the more bland it looks/feels. Maybe one day I'll try it when it's on sale but also videos like this one, remind me that it's not all about the shiny shiny. So I think I'm going to play Banquet of Fools - art style is great and early reviews on Steam are positive.

[@haberlgeorge]

GoG actually fixed the crashes (at least for me)

[@pillepolle3122]

Your DAO probably crashed because you didnt install 4gb patch

[@DeathCaptainSib]

Great video, I think I'll get back to Origins as well. One small note, the DAVG character progression is awful. Plenty of insignificant bonuses like +10% when covered in shit is just bad design.

[@vyperk.1074]

You cannot compare the two because they are two fundamentally different games. After DA: Origins, the series went downhill. The issue is that games try to appeal to a wider audience, thus games are becoming watered down. A fact we have to accept from many AAA studios. I almost exclusively play indies these days or AA games. I don’t even get my hopes up anymore.

[@DAh-xo8zm]

The difference is Origins Bioware cared about the game and nothing but the game. Veilguard Bioware cared about the message. The game was way down the list.

[@luizlaguardia]

You're kicking the dead dog corpse at this point lol

[@nexarath]

Of course he is, that's the best way to game the YT algorithm atm, and he knows it.

[@rpgdivision]

Yup but I'm not doing shallow content about it. Investing days to make these videos with insight that I hope can be helpful and understood.

[@luizlaguardia]

​@@rpgdivisionthat's for sure you're I really like your content thanks man.

[@ainikki7006]

@@rpgdivision The side-by-side really shows off just how different (in mostly terrible ways) Veilguard is.

[@felixs3109]

We can play dragon age inquisition multiplayer while talking about veilguard , dragon is not dead aslong as well play their previous games

[@thebigidea9659]

Origins is a legendary. Two and Inquisition were...fine, i guess. But both are mastepieces compared to whatever veilguard is. Veilguard isnt even a true rpg, it just pretends to be one.

[@aeson6294]

Origins needs a remaster very badly. The PC version is pretty bad with the crashes and broken UI above 1080p. Some quality of life changes would be nice too.

[@wearecatyouarerat2802]

just give the this hack and slash game other name than dragon age ... perfect

[@Elknkam]

All the shills on steam will gobble up any slope served to them.

[@andreasreinhardt8753]

Origins is the only really good Dragon Age game in my opinion.

[@WarDogMadness]

Is origin really that good. ? YES dammit ! I love the hell out of origins. its the only good one in the series they havent topped it yet.

[@capnphuktard5445]

Now the only consequences in the game are you have to do a """BARV""""😂😮