RTX 4090 is a 1080p Gaming GPU Now?!

In this video, I test how the MSI RTX 4090 SUPRIM LIQUID X graphics card paired with Intel i7 14700KF CPU performs in Alan Wake 2, which is the most demanding game of 2024 so far. Let's see if it is possible to enjoy the game at 4K, 1440p, or 1080p with maxed out settings, including Ray Tracing, DLSS 3 and Frame Generation.
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⏱️Timestamps:
0:00 - Meet the MSI RTX 4090 SUPRIM LIQUID X
0:11 - Test PC system specifications
1:24 - Sponsor
3:13 - Settings I use to play this game at 4K
4:47 - How to make gameplay smooth in Alan Wake 2 (Fix stutters)
6:10 - DLSS & Frame Gen ON vs OFF comparison
6:33 - Frame Gen OFF, DLSS Quality
6:50 - Does Frame Gen look good in Alan Wake 2?
7:00 - DLSS OFF, Frame Gen OFF
7:46 - Ray Tracing quality comparison in Alan Wake 2
8:31 - Ray Tracing High preset at 4K
8:50 - Ray Tracing Medium preset at 4K
9:29 - Ray Tracing Low preset at 4K
10:16 - Ray Tracing OFF, 4K
10:59 - Can we get 60 FPS experience at native 4K? (No DLSS or Frame Generation)
11:58 - Do you need RTX 5090 to play Alan Wake 2 at 4K?
12:22 - RTX 4090 1440p performance
13:11 - 1440p, Frame Generation ON
13:51 - 1440p, DLSS Quality, Frame Gen OFF
14:44 - Can you get a 120 FPS experience at 1440p?
15:29 - 1440p, Frame Gen ON
15:49 - 1440p, Frame Gen ON, DLSS Quality
16:31 - My favourite settings at 1440p
17:10 - RTX 4090 is a 1080p GPU now?
18:12 - 1080p, Ray Tracing OFF
18:39 - Conclusion

[@theivadim]

This performance is crazy 🤪 Still, Alan Wake 2 is an amazing game. I highly recommend it. Especially, if you enjoy thrillers.

[@Scott99259]

I have finished full game on my friends pc with Rtx 4060 at 1080p DF optimized settings + Dlss Quality never dropped below 60fps.

[@theivadim]

​@@Scott99259 Nice! Did you enjoy the game? What would you rate it out of 10? Just no spoilers please.😉

[@Scott99259]

@@theivadim 9 out of 10.

[@theivadim]

​@@Scott99259 sweet. I'd give it around the same so far (~6 hours played). I love games in this universe created by Remedy studio. Absolutely loved Control. That one was 10/10 for me. Action was much better than in Alan Wake (so far). Even though both games are from the same universe.

[@tomthomas3499]

Sadly though the broken reflections and poor shadows/ssr quality just breaks the immersion, probably best played on high end system, not recommend on toaster like me pc...

[@stevegomez232]

If the 4090 cant run a smooth 60 fps at 1440p native then theres a problem with the game optimization and not the GPU in my opinion. Thats wild.

[@theivadim]

It's definitely an interesting choice by the game devs. It looks like they decided to go pedal to the metal with graphics quality of the highest options, with future GPUs in mind. Current and older GPUs will have to lower those settings to achieve good performance. However, I can't say that they've cut out a lot of customers. I've started playing Alan Wake 2 using an RTX 4070 SUPER at 4K, High preset, no Ray Tracing, DLSS Balanced, Frame Gen ON. And I had a good time. The RTX 4090 simply took it to the next level by allowing me to use Ray Tracing and max out every graphics setting. The next generation of graphics cards will open this experience to a wider audience. Are they future-proofing their game? It does look stunning. There's nothing else like it out there right now.

[@christophermullins7163]

It looks better than cyberpunk imo. When devs are making a game that is the next level of most demanding games out there.. it only makes sense to allow for settings that will chug even on the fastest GPU.. otherwise you're leaving fidelity on the table. This game is not unoptimized in my experience... It's just that beautiful. There will always(should always) be games that bring the fastest GPUs to it's knees so that people that can afford those GPUs have the options to push the envelope of graphics fidelity. It's the reason you buy that type of GPU.

[@unknownorigin8446]

Game developers do not necessarily make games for current gen hardware. Games like Cyberpunk are made years in advance when it comes to features and respectable technology that can power all those features within the game. Example is path tracing. So just because CP2077 was released by the end of 2020 does not mean that hardware from 2020 (or 2021 or 2022 or 2023) can power it to its fullest potential.

[@blizyon30fps86]

It’s arguably the best looking game of all time. This performance is 100% expected

[@tomthomas3499]

And last i heard, the sales of this game wasn't as expected, makes sense when you think most people are still on 3060 tier of graphics card, and this game preset scaling isn't really good with lowest setting still need decent hardware to run, and even if you can run it at low, it doesn't look as good since the game mechanics is developed around RT, like broken reflections and mirror, bad shadow casting, and poor quality ssr.

[@PaulRoneClarke]

I could make a game that could destroy a 4090 at any resolution. It could destroy a 5090, a 6090, a 7090 and even a 9090ti Super Pro Max. And the last of those won’t be out for at least 10 years. It’s really easy. I could create this game in something like Unity or Godot inside one short afternoon. I would call it “The Battle Against Optimisation”

[@damnbrosky]

Looks like that battle is very popular in some devs areas

[@maroosagaming]

i mean you should avoid unreal engine and unity games for this exact reason, theyre awful engines

[@Helios.vfx.]

I thought they were one of the best out there. I'm not a game dev or anything. Just what I thought it eas

[@PaulRoneClarke]

@@Helios.vfx. Unity is pretty heavy for what it gives. And their current changes in policy for their developers is disgusting. Unreal is heavy because it delivers very good graphics. It’s not quite at hot at integrating though at the moment. Both have their place. My point being it’s very very easy to write bad code that will reduce performance to a crawl. Doesn’t matter what engine you use, it’s possible to write code that destroys performance.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Love how none of the commentators are smart enough to differentiate between unoptimized and graphically demanding lmao

[@PoonDestroyer69]

Sounds like a game dev skill issue and not a hardware issue.

[@Solus793]

Remedy dev's lacking in skill? Are you joking or?

[@esthergennn]

@@Solus793 This comment section is hurting my brain. Like. The game is maxed out. Just turn the settings down dear god it's just demanding.

[@Solus793]

@@esthergennn Yes indeed, I don't think people understand how technically demanding real-time Path Tracing is - 6 years ago if you told a professional graphics designer that it would be possible on consumer hardware they'd laugh at you!

[@stonesymmetry]

@@Solus793 there’s a difference between making somthing that looks good and also being able to make it run good.

[@Solus793]

​@@stonesymmetry I think you are missing the point. It runs better than good, it is a miracle that it runs at all. Real time Path Tracing shouldn't even be possible. The game remains looking good on lower settings and runs at a very high frame rate. The "optimization" meme does not apply here, this is an echo chamber buzzword that gets thrown around by the technically illiterate too often online.

[@factsforlife0O0]

Its nuts how unoptimized these new games are Old games looked very good and gave extremely good FPS

[@crisppzanuff4398]

just new tech

[@mareck6946]

older games cheated alot - this boasts ALOT more geometry Pathtracing etc.

[@factsforlife0O0]

@@crisppzanuff4398 Dude I respect it if its a Million dollar company making it BUT when your a Multi billion dollar company with a infinite budget with infinite of the Best coders and game makers with access to the Best tech and game engines I expect better

[@factsforlife0O0]

@@crisppzanuff4398 Kerbal Space Program 2 is a lot more better than that and it uses real physics

[@JM-jd2bf]

it’s not bad optimisation it’s just path tracing is incredibly demanding

[@diffusion-ai]

Lazy devs need to come up with better engines for their games.

[@RAM_845]

They're more focus on the $$$ rather than a quality product. I miss those days when you buy a game that's complete and stable.

[@LionBlast77]

Better optimization for software for both windows and games

[@user-jx5xq8hu9e]

@@RAM_845 Just dont play AAA games. There are plenty of games who look incredible, far more pleasing that any AAA title out there and they dont require high end hardware to run. For example, Elden RIng , Lies of P, Hollow Knights, Outer Worlds, Biochock and many more

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

More like idiots who think that 4090 has infinite performance and will continue to run games at native 4K well lmao. Losers

[@Fxtricky1]

​@user-jx5xq8hu9e those are all AAA titles either from the past or least with lies of P current. AAA doesn't mean or shouldn't mean demanding on systems or pushing the boundaries. It should mean actually finished extremely well made games hence the budgets. Outside of that I think the games arnt th issue. We are hitting a point of little returns in graphics and engines and overall fidelity. 1080p is perfect for gaming. It works if your close to your screen 2 to 5 feet. 4k is if your sitting 10 feet away on a couch and more so for movies. The fact almost every generation the top gpus that comes out has issues running games at 4k max settings certainly not 100% of games at the time should be a indicator. I think we as pc gamers shoot ourselfs in th foot for numbers and to say we can when we don't even need that mess esp when at the end of the day beyond emulation some of these folks only play League of Legends or Fortnite. Lol

[@daniil3815]

And people say that 4090 is stupid for 1440p. Maybe for now, but after 50xx gen releases, 4090 will be solid 1440p card just like 3090 seems right now.

[@theivadim]

Sure. When future games arrive that target the RTX 50-series 🙂 Progress never stops.

[@damnbrosky]

With dlls and frame generation 4090 is solid 4K driver already, but with new titles will loose that, like all cards do even 5090 will one day hide in shadow

[@Kenny17674]

3090 still can do 4k though

[@Jakiyyyyy]

Depends on the game. If you expect to play all games, then 1440p would be more adequate but if you already have few games in mind then don't hesitate for 4K, might be doable. Same goes to 3080, previously known for 4K card but nowadays people just use it for 1440p gaming and in some games that are proven doable, 4K is still a thing on that card.

[@EonAzure]

Lol I'm one of those heathens that uses his 4090 for 1440 gaming. I have 4k monitors but they stop at 60hz but my 1440 does 160hz. So I just game in 1440

[@Ninjutsu2K]

I don`t know why AW2 is so heavy graphically, it's not ugly, but It's not that amazing too, I had seen many games more outstanding than AW2 that doesn`t need that much GPU and features really more impressed.

[@theivadim]

I think we're entering an era of diminishing returns in games graphics. Most current games look great already. Uplifting graphics quality further is costly but visual benefits are difficult to spot unless you really stop, zoom in and compare everything side by side.

[@CaptainScorpio24]

control was so much more thrilling and exciting. i hv played in 2021 wd 3070 FE . now alan wake seems dull even with my rtx 4070 ti super gigabyte eagle oc .

[@crisppzanuff4398]

@@CaptainScorpio24 maybe back in the day since control was one of the 1st ray tracing games and everyone was going crazy about the idea of real time realistic reflections/shadows/lights but alan wake 2 is a way better game than control both visually and narrative character models looks way better in alan wake, textures look way better and lightning effects make it immersive to a new level.

[@shagohodds]

what games?

[@heroicsquirrel3195]

Thankfully this games not even worth playing

[@Scott99259]

Forrest area is even more demanding.This area you are testing is not that demanding in this game.

[@theivadim]

In my experience, that forest patch is as demanding as the forest area you are talking about. It's a good representation of what one should expect.🙂 But indeed, there are scenes that are even more demanding. However, they are rare.

[@Pooka_]

I'm sorry but this game does not look good enough, even at max settings to justify that terrible performance. It's just straight up terribly optimized.

[@abhirupkundu2778]

it does look that good. Play it yourself at 4k with path tracing maximum. Don't judge games based on youtube videos.

[@Pooka_]

@@abhirupkundu2778 funnily enough, I have played it 4k path tracing and nope, it does not look good enough for the amount of performance lost there is. Unless this the only game you have seen in those settings, you would know that lol.

[@UGOISCOOLNOW]

@@Pooka_damn then what do you recommend playing the game at to get more FPS?

[@levi8781]

@@abhirupkundu2778 Allen Wake 2 looks good but there’s several games that look just as good if not better and get 2x the FPS.

[@Pooka_]

@@UGOISCOOLNOW without path tracing tbh

[@skullkraken_resurrected9857]

If rtx 4090 can't run a game at 60 fps 1440p imma quit gaming.

[@Felixrizzlord]

are u using msi afterburner for showing the statistics on top left corner..or some other software?..(loved ur vid btw)

[@theivadim]

Thank you for watching!🤝 I use CapFrameX. It is better than Afterburner for statistics. Easier to use and more features.

[@Felixrizzlord]

@@theivadim thnx

[@the_homie_alfred]

03:13 he finally begins the main portion of the video

[@johanahmed1952]

And We Were Worried About Crysis Now Every Game Is A Crysis A Performance Crysis

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Love how none of the commentators are smart enough to differentiate between unoptimized and graphically demanding lmao

[@heatnup6899]

An optimized game both looks good and runs well. If it is “graphically demanding” it is not optimized.

[@ymanexpress]

@@heatnup6899 That's not what optimized means at all...

[@esthergennn]

@@heatnup6899 this game looks spectacular at medium settings.

[@heatnup6899]

@@ymanexpress That is exactly what it means. If a game is optimized it will have great textures, great lighting and great shadows but at the lowest performance cost possible. That is literally optimized.

[@heatnup6899]

@@ymanexpress It will also use the CPU properly.

[@beasthunt]

Im perplexed at times at how poorly games run with my 4090 at times. Its clearly the games fault, but still.

[@theivadim]

Are you thinking about upgrading to the RTX 5090 when that'll launch later this year? From my many years of experience: There's always one or two games that are ahead of their time when it comes to graphics quality. But then 1-3 years later new AAA games launch with the same system requirements. That's how progress happens. Hardware becomes outdated fast. We've seen similar situations with Red Dead Redemption 2, Control, Cyberpunk 2077. It almost feels like these games have been built with future GPU generations in mind while still allowing current-gen GPUs to play using Medium or High settings.

[@beasthunt]

@@theivadim Yeah, I'm with you as well with the many years with a few games being far ahead of current GPUs but this gen is taking the cake. Thank God for DLSS and framegen to power through. I'll most likely get the 5090. I hate to spend the money but gaming is my hobby and high framerates in games give me enjoyment.

[@Mark-uk8wz]

@@theivadim It´s to increase GPU sales. That´s also why NVIDIA throws in RTX cores, DLSS etc. in their GPUs rather than increasing brute performance, because it´s cheaper, mostly software and can be paired with new ´demanding` (Unoptimized games) for more sales. I bet NVIDIA pays publishers to leave out optimization

[@JoelHernandez-tz3vk]

​@beasthunt I'm not against smart upscaling and frame generation. I just wonder why we aren't using these to easily achieve 4k 240fps or 1440p 480fps. Someone has yet to convince me that ray tracing isn't an overly expensive gimmick that tanks even the RTX4090's performance.

[@beasthunt]

@@JoelHernandez-tz3vk I like Ray tracing but it's 100% a gimmick. I can't tell the difference between path tracing and full ray tracing or baked in lighting. A shiny puddle doesn't mean much to me. Those framerates do though!

[@erikbritz8095]

*I legit will wait 4 years to play this game proper as 70 series at that point will match this at that time*

[@M4W07]

yo that pull up bar is sick! Anyways, I was planning to build a PC with 7900XT or 7900XTX GPU + 7900X3D CPU for gaming in August!! I think I'll game at 1080p , because I wanna play AAA titles at max settings with ultra high fps, and plus I don't think I'll be able to differentiate, so why loose frames to increase resolution? I chose this powerful CPU because I heard I'll have to avoid CPU bottleneck at 1080p to get those 3 digit frames. So, could you recommend me a good monitor? Like a 1080p OLED, 100 DCI P3. Also if you have any advice, I'll appreciate it/ Thanks

[@theivadim]

I can recommend you get Ryzen 7 7800X3D instead. It is cheaper and delivers better performance in games than the 7900X3D. I can't recommend you a monitor with specs you''ve mentioned because I haven't had any experience with such 1080p displays. Furthermore, I don't like 1080p when it comes to 27 inches or bigger screens. I prefer larger screen and higher resolution and I'd rather boost the FPS by using DLSS or FSR. Looks way better than 1080p native.

[@M4W07]

@@theivadim ​ Typo, yeah, I meant, 7800X3D. As for monitor, I looked in the further performance tests, and found that at 1440p, with Ray tracing and max settings, the 4080 Super is very much playable with DLSS; and for my most played game, Minecraft, at even 4K with heavy shaders and texture packs, its very much above 120 fps. Initially, I wanted to go for like an OLED monitor, because I am coming from a MacBook, which has the best display out of any laptops, the contrast ratio, the display presets, the DCI-P3 coverage, the HDR, but then I realized it's useless to pay 1200$ for a similar monitor at 4k for gaming. I'll still get a 1440p/4k monitor, because the 4080 Super is capable of it, so you got recommendations? A monitor which is 144 Hz or more, affordable, has decent contrast, and HDR etc..

[@freedomisdead9638]

Minecraft with SEUS PTGI shaders and HQ texture packs with RT enabled, is the ultimate gaming test, NO other games in the world can make a GPU failed like Minecraft would do.

[@T-8O0]

I think the game is not optimized very well not the other way around.

[@504Trey]

Facts

[@AndyViant]

Can games get less optimised than this and still run?

[@bj0urne]

We could play the latest AAA games at max settings even on old GPU's if the devs just optimized their games... The 4090 isn't bad, the game isn't optimized

[@bochok5694]

in someday people will stop idealising graphics and start appreciate gameplay, physics etc. (i hope)

[@Satori-Automotive]

my favorite games beside sim racing are still the older ones like Resident Evil 4 (2005), remake, 5 and village, the Metro games (especially the first 2 games), first 2 Bioshock games Fallout 3 and New Vegas and i think many of those games looked absolutely great back in the day. And with mods they still look great and run on every potato PC. While also having insanely fun gameplay

[@theivadim]

Every single piece is important in a great game. I'd prefer to see game developers improve everything as a package. But I have nothing against games that choose simplicity over complexity. If it's fun then that's all that matters to me.

[@abhirupkundu2778]

@@Satori-Automotive Why do you not like Red dead redemption 2? That game is the definition of one of the best optimized games, as well as insanely realistic and jaw dropping graphics.

[@UGOISCOOLNOW]

@@abhirupkundu2778a lot of people don’t like rdr2 because of its slow pace which is a valid argument

[@modrribaz1691]

In med-school, you get taught a fact that an average human has a constant glomerular filtration rate between arterial blood pressure of 90 and almost double of so at 160 because the kidney regulates itself. A logical and universal fact that if changing the input doesn't change the output, then there is another but yet to be known significant input in play. A single frame per second more isn't explainable by going from max raytracing to medium ray tracing, there is some bottlenecking and probably is of software not of hardware.

[@colemin2]

Maybe restarting the game would increase the fps after turning PT off?

[@modrribaz1691]

@@colemin2 This would over all put it to less than medium instead, so wouldn't explain such non-linearity. It doesn't scale properly and so is just a fact.

[@evaone4286]

Cool story bro

[@modrribaz1691]

@@evaone4286 It's indeed a cool story that there was once upon a time when game performance scaled properly, far gone are those times.

[@flamingkillermc2806]

Bro what are you yapping about lol😂, this isn’t med school. If you lower the rest to 720p and use a maxed out cpu and 4090 you will get more fps

[@UsmanAli-mo3bb]

this doesnt even look like it has anything goin on in the screen which would demand such a heavy gpu

[@gassug2]

what monitor is that? is it any good? and how much did you get it for? been looking for a decent upgrade

[@theivadim]

It's the MSI G321CU. It's pretty cheap for a 4K monitor and has decent image quality. I'm enjoying it. The last price I've seen was $380 in the US. There's a link to it in the description.

[@TotalWarriorLegends]

Could you do a video how did you setup / record this gameplay with your capture card? did you use passthrough? I want to record also PC gamefootage but don't know how to setup... Can you explain it?

[@theivadim]

I don't find making that kind of content fun. There's already hundreds of guides on how to record using a capture card. Just search it on KZbin. I don't see a point in making yet another one.🙂

[@theivadim]

You can use passthrough or simply duplicate display to have separate signals. It doesn't make any difference. It's just a personal preference thing.

[@TotalWarriorLegends]

@@theivadim Thanks for your comment, but I read a lot about capturecards but they are only need it for external video source to your PC. This means, if you have a console, you use the card to capture the console output. If you have a camera using HDMI, you can capture the camera output. If you have another PC, you can capture its output So I was wondering how is your setup do you record PC to PC?

[@XioC652]

I love Alen awake. My wife too. She got me into it. But we played it on Xbox 360. And now there’s a new one? I’m excited for this. But do u think it would run ok on my rx6900xt ?? I have a 4080 in my bedroom pc too, but which one would be better you think?

[@imT1tan-lr8mg]

4080 do a better job, its Nvidia title, and 4080 is new high end card.

[@HonestHans365]

Is frame time or PC latency less than 5ms when playing less demanding titles in 1080p with a 4090?

[@theivadim]

Do you mean competitive games like CS 2? Or just older AAA games?

[@HonestHans365]

@@theivadim either.

[@TSIXGaming]

cool review

[@theivadim]

Thanks!

[@user-rq2qt6hh2d]

What device you guys play it on?

[@bigbadslimee]

more reason why these graphics card shouldn't cost more than 699, we should have never normalised 1000+ consumer graphics cards when they'll become obsolute in 2 years

[@lurtiskoe]

was shopping today just to see price trends... after tax these cards are almost 2k usd. insanity. not worth it. just wait a few years. and have a great backlog. hell im still playing games 10+ years old and having a great time at 144hz

[@pffboahkeineahnung]

it costs as much as the consumer pays, consumers never inform themself how much the actual production cost is 🤣

[@C0nnie]

How does a capture card capture pc gameplay? I have an elgato hd60s and had no idea you could do that

[@CoolaDiamond]

If you have a single computer for everything, use OBS. If you have at least 2 computers, use capture card + OBS or other similar software. (OBS is free to use and is quite good).

[@eliteap_]

I struggle with AW2 on 1440p let alone bringing it down to 1080p on my 3080 The devs know this is a game optimization issue but the updates have massively helped in reality.

[@XAMPOL]

looks like they haven't helped enough

[@Tatoebot]

Please tell me you didn’t willingly buy a cyber power 😂

[@njgaming3322]

Cyber powers are amazing, I bought one and it has been better than all of my friend’s pcs and I’ve upgraded it too

[@qwerasdfzxcv98765]

@@njgaming3322 pfft

[@hypershadic1015]

@@qwerasdfzxcv98765 as a cyberpower user, they do cheap out on a lot of things, my PC has a wifi 4 network card when I bought it in 2019....

[@pongopea]

I wonder if the devs every bothered to look at a steam survey to see what hardware people who play games actually have

[@captainspade5523]

On a 3090 I was getting like 30 fps on max graphics 💀. But when I optimised them a little I was able to get 50-60

[@tyrellwreleck4226]

Fsr, dlss and ray tracing has flaws. I'd rather play with normal or TAA rendering with a constant 16.6 ms frametime than bother with random shimmering

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Lol then you hypocrites will start complaining how TAA is bad and good old MSAA days blah blah Also you want locked 16.6 ms frametime aka locked fps ? You a console peasant ?

[@vargasaidan7366]

i agree.

[@alexandrumacedon291]

if you enable vsync wouldnt that limit the fps ?

[@BestGameLoadouts]

58 fps in town?! Wild bc I know for a fact that the woods scenes are more taxing 😅

[@shmendez_]

Someone should just make a like dual pc thing where the 2 pcs merge into 1 and is 2 x the power, can 2 cpus work together?

[@MichaelSewgoolam]

To be fair, the fact that you can't turn off DLAA takes a major hit in fps. If you were able to completely take out the native resolution AI processing besides frame generation , I guarantee you'll gain much higher fps results. DLAA is the best when it comes to Anti-Aliasing visually but sadly I don't think I see another option that is way less taxing in this game like FXAA + TAA, for example. DLAA is what's holding this game back as a "default" setting but in reality it's just the "ultra setting", subjectively, for Anti-Aliasing, which takes a major hit in comparison to just removing AI completely. You can test this out in Forza Horizon 5, for example. DLAA, as a non-upscaler for resolution, and, focuses purely on polygon edge upscaling for great Anti-Aliasing is better than MSAA visually and efficiently, in exchange for fps. Hope this makes sense, just my opinion. I'm currently running on a 4080 Super, testing this theory out in other games. In simple terms DLAA results in less fps vs having no AI at all. Sorry if I sound repetitive. Trying to explain this the best I can.

[@theivadim]

I've noticed that performance difference in some games. But then there is little to no performance difference DLAA vs TAA in others (like Horizon Forbidden West). It's an interesting topic and I'll continue gathering data to maybe make a video on it in the future.

[@MichaelSewgoolam]

@@theivadim Awesome!!! I'll be looking forward to it in the future. Keep up the good work!

[@Junebug879]

I have a 4070 but I only Have a 1080p monitor which is fine because I can play any game with maxed out settings and get like 100 - 200 fps

[@audiojunkie5435]

I'm considering getting a 4090 for 720p. Do you think I should just buy it now, or should I wait for the 5080? Thx.

[@chieffalley4955]

💀

[@CoolaDiamond]

Yeah, this is normal. The graphics only getting heavier. Soon, path tracing is not about visible light only. It'll be for audio, infrared, gamma ray, x ray etc. Not to mention physics. Even if you have 1 billion RTX 4090 combined, the graphic won't be satisfied. Resolution matters too.

[@asiablacknyc]

But what light do you use at your desk? What`s the name of it?

[@theivadim]

Quntis 80cm desk lamp I bought on Amazon. Two of them. But one is enough for normal use🙂 I just have them on both sides for better lighting conditions to record videos since I don’t have much room to do a proper professional lighting. Normally you just install one in the middle of a desk.

[@asiablacknyc]

@@theivadim Thanks!!!

[@Memmmeeboiiiiiiiii]

i love how calm bro is and also try minecraft u cant even get 120 fps on 1080p with max settings with optifine internal shader enabled that is bc minecraft is poorly optimized just like alan awake 2 ik ik u can still get above 120 fps in minecraft but just try walking around it will countinuesly stutter it feels like input lag even tho frames are locked or are on vsync some ppl say its the ram but thats cap i litteraly tried running it on 120 fps then frames dropped to 110 or lower then i used 60 fps and its the same thing 50 or lower when sprinting this is ridiculous i hate it when companys only work on the game and dont care if its not optimized id say we should get the performance we payed for and not this sh*t

[@theivadim]

Maybe I will try Minecraft one of these days🙂 I'm still playing through HADES 2, Horizon Forbidden West, and Alan Wake 2 is also on this list. There are too many good games and not that much free time to enjoy them all🫡

[@kevin60718]

If you have mostly new parts besides the New DDR5 RAM and the Motherboard you can pull even more stable FPS with 2-4K compared to 1080p. I'm running a 4K 27" with a 3000 series and and R7 5800x X4 64GB DD4R running on Balanced power plan keep the Processer Highest 5-10% Lowest 100%. RTX is off its not needed for most games if you prefer FPS. I'm obviously upgrading soon but i know the specs for the Nvidia GTX/RTX 1000 2000 3000 4000 series to make gaming better for everyone.

[@nuclearpcs2139]

remember that dlaa settings are really extreme, that´s not native. Dlaa (deep learning anti aliasing) ... the highest quality of AA to date.

[@Livebasura69]

if nvidia introduced ray tracing with dlss in the 2000 series there must be a reason = no dlss no ray tracing /path

[@MajoraEXP]

Why is nobody talking about that sexy custom keyboard. I love it!

[@theivadim]

Yeah. Akko did a good job with this new model🙂 It's full-metal. Except for the key caps of course😄

[@Wunnabeanbag]

Bro not to be that guy but the exit pipes from the radiator should be above the gpu

[@theivadim]

I know👍. It's a temporary setup. Furthermore, I've made sure to push all air into the radiator to avoid any issues. Low GPU temps confirm that everything is fine.

[@Wunnabeanbag]

@@theivadim ohh ok

[@TTURKI]

If i paid for a huge 4090 i want it be at least handles max settings high refresh rate≈ 120 @ 4K or a 40’s @ 8k , this results can gives us a hint about how the new 5090 ads would be on the path tracing which is the real load

[@theivadim]

Indeed, NVIDIA may start pushing path tracing technology when RTX 50 cards launch. Not that many games use it yet.

[@abdelkarimkeraressi1418]

if i have card like that i will work with it and then i can buy a pc like you. even 4080 or 3090 it can help to make what i want to do .im happy for you .

[@thehasbull]

400+ watt is crazy!

[@emre2na]

Is there any bad side to dlss? I could not find any image distortion. Why is native so important to you?

[@theivadim]

Native is not important to me at all. If the game has the latest DLSS version then most of the time I actually prefer playing with DLSS set to Quality. Since native resolution is still considered to be king, it makes sense to assess performance at native resulotion seriously.

[@emre2na]

@@theivadim why native resolution is considered to be king? What is the difference?

[@theivadim]

DLSS in its current state still introduces some visual imperfections. Very noticeable in some games and difficult to notice in others. I choose to use DLSS in Alan Wake 2 because I can't tell the difference between DLSS Quality and native image when I'm actually in the process of playing the games. But if you start looking for DLSS imperfections then you'll find them.

[@emre2na]

@@theivadim Do you have an experience with war thunder? Can you say something about war thunder experience with dlss? I am using dlss with my 3080ti mobile gpu. Do you recommend that?

[@raiosroguegaming]

Alan wake 2 is only gpu heavy in the forest performance is all over the place like cyberpunk. the most GPU demanding game is Avatar frontiers of pandora you might give it a try and go test at the upper plains second biome area of the game at 4K ultra setttings and object detail at 25 and if thats not demanding enough for ya type -unlockmaxsettings Unobtanium settings that will further crush that RTX 4090 in Avatar Frontiers Of Pandora

[@OhNoBsod]

all mirrors are meant to look like that in alan wake 2

[@FlyTimeRC]

That's my dream GPU. I love MSI GPUs.

[@2kgamerz434]

4070 ti super for me high settings on all games high fps I don't use ray tracing is just far to taxing for what you get in return

[@chipsgamingchannel1015]

Yes maybe its has more cudas and quadruple rops tmus of the gtx 750, but it still has almost all the same technologies as the 750, but with rt stuff

[@AdamIverson]

My RTX 3090 doesn't support frame generation at all, so if I want to run this at 4k in max setting, I will have to use the dlss ultra performance to at least make it playable. I haven't measured fps, so I'm not sure.

[@abhirupkundu2778]

dont even try 4k with an rtx 3090 in this game. You will start crying I swear.

[@esthergennn]

turn your settings down. Ultra is never worth the performance hit anyways.

[@batata3716]

im just curious is 850w enought for a 14th gen i7 and 4090?

[@theivadim]

The GPU and CPU power consumption are displayed on the screen if you're interested in checking it out yourself. From what I've seen - the CPU + GPU usually consume 500-600W. So, 850W is fine. I'd recommend getting a 1000W power supply just for extra peace of mind. Just so that you don't have to buy a new power supply for future upgrades and whatnot.

[@damnbrosky]

My 4090 with dlls and frame generation in all top shelf 2024 games with RT do stable high frames, most of them 120, I do not try this game but CP2077 4k Patchtracing ultra 80 frames, Starfield 120, Forbiden west 120 and more, I dont thing that they did game for next gen bc why if they sell it today, this is nonsense. Only thing that coming to my mind is they fuck up optimalisation and thats it.

[@kingroehle]

Cyberpunk showed us that a game only neads to be optimized and that the GPUs are not the problem. I run Cyberpunk with Pathtracing in 1440p Ultra on an 4060TI easy with around 70-90 fps by using all the stuff nvidia gives us.

[@theivadim]

That 4060 Ti performance sounds unreal to me. Are you using DLSS Ultra Performance to achieve that FPS with those settings? Because I know I couldn't achieve something like that even using DLSS Quality at 1440p on my 4070 SUPER.

[@kingroehle]

​With the 4060ti i use 1440p, everything maxed out, path tracing on, framegeneration on and DLSS on performance mode BUT hear me out: what most people dont know is that dlss performance on 1440p looks twice as sharp as 1080p DLSS Quality and you nedd less Vram then on 1080p! The performance setting with dlss sharpening on maximum is close to the image you get with quality/balanced in this game cyberpunk. Believe me, it is no problem for the 4060ti and i even own a regular 4060 too. It handels the same stuff as long as you stick wirth psycho raytracing. You get Arrondissement 60-75 fps with this card in most Szenarios but regular 4060 cant handle pathtracing. Even the own cyberpunk benchmark shows average fps of exact 60 fps with the 4060. I did a little overclock on the regular 4060 with +185 on core clock and 500 on memory. Lots if people do not believe me and thats why i am going to upload in the next two days a short Videoon my chanel where i will proof it. So check put my chanel later. @@theivadim

[@arkh1730]

its all about the textures size. alan wake and i think everyother uses 1080p and lower textures . else the game would be like 1 tb. thats why the performance is similar at 1080p and 4k. i think 1080p resolution is still FullHD if your not too close to the monitor

[@magnetmannenbannanen]

when i was a kid, ray tracing a single frame would take a loong time.

[@CoolaDiamond]

Today's the same. A single frame takes a long time to render if they use a lot of path traces. Current generation GPU even the best one like RTX 5090 cannot produces high resolution ray tracing image without lagged very much.

[@erickelly4107]

The RTX 4090 is generally a great Native 1440p GPU, most seem to think 4K but even older / current games such as Cyberpunk 2077, Control, Remnant II, etc. are "optimal" at Native 1440p on a Native 1440p Display. So what so you think is going to be the case going forward with even more demanding games running UE5, etc? Many don't want to hear this probably because they bought into the 4K hype and purchased a 4K display but it is what it is. I'd take Native 1440p / 90 FPS + over 4K / ~ 60 FPS every time regardless.

[@MayonesaMayhem]

Frame gen feels like hot garbage below 140ish “fps” on a mouse and keyboard. I’d be turning settings down or grabbing a controller.

[@Jose-ue3bu]

it's sad that an RTX 4000 can't lock 60 at fullHD with full RT, no matter what game, how new it is or how optimized.

[@sigra4867]

You had dlss frame generation on, lol

[@snoopking4348]

My i9 13900ks thats what i have with that same GPU nd Playing RED dead in 8k native, god of war 8k native Resident evil 4 remake 8k

[@gs7326]

star citizen : am i a joke to you?

[@GameCookerUSRocks]

Dare I say the only reason the 4090 doesn't run well in Alan Wake 2 is because it was a game that was made for consoles also. I'm playing Once Human at high ultrawide resolution and getting great fps. Even though they are two different games Once Human looks fabulous. It was made for mobile and PC. It is no slouch when it comes to visuals. And it doesn't even have RT or upscaling from AMD, Intel or NVIDIA in it. It has a resolution slider though. Even my RTX 3080 laptop at 1080p* was getting 100fps in Once Human. Again two different games. I'd rather play Once Human. And I love RT and DLSS technology. Games for PC need to be made from the ground up for PC. Not console first. Added note: I meant to put other examples like the Last of Us remake and Dragon's Dogma. I apologize for not adding this but as usual I was on my phone and in a rush. 😊

[@silfrido1768]

Half of games don’t run well because they are a console port /: Making your mouse run on 500hz & setting a static 100-120hz helps tho

[@MR_nobody_exe]

But can it run Crysis?

[@Xyz-ij6rh]

honestly its just that most games arent built for current hardware and reasonable performance isnt to be expected when maxing settings its just not linear Most demanding Game+Max Settings says it all doesnt it ? I played Cyberpunk on a 1060 a 3070 and a 7900xtx still not max in 5120x1440 ... thats how it goes with demanding Games

[@jerry-kz1tj]

Devs of this game be like “Let’s render every objects miles away to make it gpu demanding”…

[@Spectru91]

the 4090 is still a monster .....i am looking forward to see the 5090 witch is rumored to have 32 gb of vram and on 512 bits

[@ssaini5028]

no way the 5090 will have a 512-bit bus and a 32GB

[@Spectru91]

@@ssaini5028 it's just a rumor as i said...i find it hard to believe also🤣

[@stevenanderson3205]

I play this game at 1080p with my 7800XT because with higher settings everything does take a hit and FSR sucks in this game bang for the buck in this game is a 4060 300.00 1080p and with DLSS to help you out.

[@DwaynedaGamer]

You are using 1080p as a choice, because you can get well over 100fps at 1440p native with fsr3 mod. I have videos showing that, as well as at much higher resolutions, where it is also outperforming a 4070ti.

[@stevenanderson3205]

@@DwaynedaGamer No the 7800XT does not out perform the 4070 ti i have both and play Alan Wake 2 and the 4070 ti out performs the 7800XT in this game plus if you want to use upscalling DLSS is much better than FSR you probably thinking well the 4070 ti is 300.00 more you are right but it's also better i am not knocking the 7800XT but in this case you would be better with a 4060 than a 7800XT just because of DLSS makes a huge difference over FSR and cost 200.00 less.

[@DwaynedaGamer]

@@stevenanderson3205 you didn't read what I said. At 1440p and 4k high preset + fsr3 mod, the 7800xt outperforms the 4070ti. I'm talking only about non ray tracing, which I shouldn't have to even mention. I also have both. Let's not be silly, a 4060 having dlss doesn't even justify it's existence, especially when you have good alternatives like xess. 7800xt doesn't even require upscaling, just throw FG on top of native, so let's not compare a 4060 to a 7800xt. Just ridiculous.

[@kaviruperera6703]

me watching this in a 1080p monitor in 720p 60fps due to low internet connection I cant see shit out of this thing🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@SkyeAyomiStarfield]

Has no fps limit. Me seeing Vsync that does exactly that: 🤣

[@ewenblack4174]

Is this on pc now?

[@MakeSh00t]

I JUST know people do not like 3rd person shooters 99.99 percent of gamers.

[@RuyGedares_GuyRedares]

No 1080p ultra 240hz for 4090 in alan wake 2? Jeez, im glad i didnt waste the extra money in that cas....Oh wait..... dang it.. 😢 Thank you, you really answered my question about whether this was normal. If the 4090 cant perform to my expectations under pressue like this, then im sad.

[@knowpai9432]

bro the city area easy on the gpu it is the jungle area is more heavy

[@oktofio9690]

The Devs worked with nvidia (got paid by Nvidia), to make this game pretty demanding so nvidia can sell their overprice GPUs by marketing their RT as selling point...

[@user-jx5xq8hu9e]

thats it there is no other point to be so demanding , especially there are games out there which look incredible and you dont need high end hardware to enjoy them. For me artstyle is more pleasing than any AAA hyperrealistic boring Ray Tracing graphics.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Nice conspiracy

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

​@@user-jx5xq8hu9e literally not a single game looks better than this.

[@user-jx5xq8hu9e]

@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat this is your opinion. it looks " realistic" which is really boring to me, nothing special

[@Satori-Automotive]

i would actually believe that. thats something companys would defenitely do behind closed doors.

[@normative1058]

bro 5090 is releasing before september on Q3 get on track

[@dhaumya23gango75]

I have seen other 4090s (like bang4buckpcgamer's) get well over 60 fps at native 4k max raster settings in the city areas. Something is wrong.

[@theivadim]

Sure. That’s clearly the case in my video as well. I’ve just shown that one are where the FPS drops by a lot because that’s what you should expect in close to worst case scenarios in some areas in the game. Such as when playing as Saga in the forest.

[@dhaumya23gango75]

@@theivadimYou are not in the forest areas though from what I can see in the video. At the exact same location shown in the video that I believe to be Bright Falls, I have seen the 4090 maintain well over 60fps at native 4k max raster settings.

[@GameCookerUSRocks]

He also uses dlss and frame generation sometimes. And I think he's sporting a very high end CPU. And he probably tweaks his motherboard to run everything more optimally. I'm not sure what this guy is using. I was just skimming through the video.

[@theivadim]

@@dhaumya23gango75 everyone's experience is different depending on the hardware specs. I'm simply sharing my experience. My PC is not overclocked or tweaked at all. This is out of the box performance.

[@Mark-uk8wz]

Perhaps water cooling or overclocking or both

[@user-nf1wf5hi7y]

Paring a i7 14700kf with the RTX 4090 is kinda wild tho (ik it works but if you're actually willing to pay 2k for a gpu and not a few extra bucks for a better cpu is weird) Edit: I just realised it's by cybershit

[@theivadim]

It's just a CPU that I happened to have at the time. For the full RTX 4090 in 2024 review I've paired it with the 14900K - kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6Wqh6SpZq17fZI

[@Robross888]

And now it’s gray zone warfare

[@DeadCell765]

The most graphically advanced game ever made doesn't have a fps limiter WTF

[@reecep4016]

Before I die, I’d like a top of the line pc

[@Skrenja]

Been there, done that. It's not all that it's cracked up to be. A high end PC won't magically make mediocre games more fun. Looking back, the most fun I ever had gaming was back in the PS2 splitcreen days. (Yes, I am old.) Save your money. If you're having fun, that's all that matters.

[@fauzanbachtiar451]

Asking a genuine question, why use I7 14700KF and not 7800X3D?😅

[@theivadim]

I don't have a 7800X3D on hand. It's that simple.🙂 But I'd love to compare the two. Would be an interesting experience.

[@user-qf6kb4vl6d]

yes

[@TheAmazingSpiderGuy_99]

I don’t think DLSS should be needed for a decent frame-rate. Especially at this kind of price.

[@FM-fm2yq]

Drop the settings to medium, you'll still get wonderful performance, but better FPS

[@davidcrowder1202]

DO NOT ANYONE DO FUCKING NOT Lock your fps to 60 when using DLSS-FG. that makes the game render at 30fps with fake frames added to achieve 60. no matter what game you do that in it will feel like SHIT. even when using a controller which 99 percent dont on pc. with a mouse it feels horrible. you need atleast 60 NATIVE frames per second to us FG. i personally only use it when i have atleast 75 and only in single player games. dont use it at all in multiplayer if you want to have somewhat of a chance against gen z and there gfuel habit.

[@SKHYJINX]

❤ 100% true, 30fps - 40fps is pretty floaty before FG, im happy enough with 50fps+ prior to FG, butnlimiting fps to 60fps with FG is a no go... way too floaty and the guy in video should have mentioned it.

[@dieglhix]

I have the 4090 since it hit the markets but I never used RT... It's just not worth it

[@RoccaaaHD]

There never was a 1440p card in existence. 1080p144hz is a logical step forward after 1080p60hz. There never was a card that was capable of running most games at 1080p144hz.

[@harshitvadoliya6484]

Restart game every time whenever you change graphics settings