Ruby Franke & Jodi Hildebrandt #13 - (Therapist Reacts)

[@helpmeImpoor5314]

The irony of them calling the kids "evil"! How can anyone lack self awareness that much?!

[@lauralvw8445]

It's projection

[@TheBeautySpectator]

I don’t want to imagine what would’ve happened if that boy hadn’t escaped.

[@KateElizabeth1013]

A lot of parallels between this case and Shanda vander ark…I don’t even want to imagine just how deadly Ruby and Jodi’s abuse could have become…

[@Aalisrocklist]

yup. Body bags level.

[@JunAlex86]

Yeah. Even as he escaped, he could've succumbed to dehydration or maybe hurt by a stray animal on the way to find a neighbor.

[@BG-ig6fd]

It was attempted murder, so many of the things they were doing to those kids. Food and water deprivation, extenuating physical activity outdoors in the scorching heat, throwing into cacti, waterboarding, the bondage torture that caused injuries down to the bone. I doubt the children would have endured much longer.

[@katiearcher4475]

They were slowly torturing those kids to death. The kids would have died. That was the only outcome if police hadnt actually finally gotten involved when they could not ignore it anymore.

[@kendrabean606]

The husband had to have known this was going on before. This is long term systematic abuse. This mother better do a crap load of time.

[@tea_time_t]

He was absolutely party to Ruby starving them before this.

[@Mama_Bear524]

He did. He was there in all those videos. He’s complicit. And leaving for a year, not answering the calls from his kids is neglect.

[@ALT-vz3jn]

He is complicit - why has he not been arrested yet? He better not get away with his part in the torture and abuse.

[@msm9593]

The one Turpin child was brave enough to escape and get help. Her parents are now in prison for life. I really hope they don't let Ruby have a sweetheart deal. She deserves many years in prison for the abuse she allowed to happen.

[@Discrete1998]

What’s a sweetheart deal?

[@Mama_Bear524]

Yes. I hope so too

[@ALT-vz3jn]

I don’t think they’re going to offer her a deal, they have a mountain of evidence…

[@Sara-hy7ku]

I hate that they call it “homeopathic”, it was lemon, honey and cayenne. They literally were torturing him. Pouring salt in his wounds

[@septimaserpent]

I *_Highkey_* Have Wondered If That Was *Part Of The Plea Deal* _As Well As_ *The Reducing It To Four Counts* _Instead Of Six._

[@tammy7093]

That’s what I was thinking that ain’t homeopathic!!!!!!

[@fromcarlawithlove]

Ruby said on a vid , her worst fear was that the kids would stand there and say or do nothing in front of the camera ! If that is your worst fear you need your brain checked out . She once found out one of the small children was hanging on their hands after falling into a hole next to the house , she started to film , not helping the child but film ! That happened way before Jodi . They did all this to get the bad or evil out of the children they said, And do not forget that Jodi did this to Jessie years ago with the help and on the payroll of the LDS church , they love brainwashing . Next to that Kevin was in on this for years . also that Pam woman who was watchdog over Jessie , she played innocent on that vid like Kevin and the church but man this is such a pandora's box

[@jodimarie379]

It is worse. The "homeopathic" treatment was honey mixed with cayenne.

[@RenayOpish]

So torture, nothing to help whatsoever, but something to damage the tissue further while keeping infection at bay- awful.

[@jessss444]

This. That is some torture masked as a “home remedy.” “Homeopathy” is based on the principle of “like with like”. Though not scientifically supported, homeopathy is NOT cayenne pepper in honey.

[@angelica7687]

She has to deeply hate her children for her to do these heinous acts. This is so hard to hear and to think she made money of family vlogging is so disgusting.

[@silverdoe9477]

I don’t think lack of empathy equals hate. It’s more like missing the ability to love. A void we can’t fully fathom. That, & narcissism. She was visibly jealous of her children in some videos. Then sadist Jodi came along & got rid of the father. “A perfect storm”.

[@CathTG18]

chilling !

[@alukuo]

@@silverdoe9477well said. Totally agree.

[@alukuo]

I think she hates herself.

[@joellenklemek138]

@@alukuoshe should

[@nicoleferreira8384]

I hope the kids don’t feel guilty about splitting up the family. I felt very guilty for YEARS after I spoke out finally and it didn’t go away until I saw a therapist. I am 25 years old and still feel guilty of what 12 year old me decided to do which was cry for help after 5 years of abuse. Wishing nothing but the best for the kids and lots of healing for them

[@BG-ig6fd]

I am so sorry for the child in you. You absolutely did the right thing by advocating for yourself. The only one who split up your family was the person who abused you. I wish you all the healing you need.

[@nicoleferreira8384]

@@BG-ig6fd me too. Child me is healing with my therapist currently slowly but surely. Hope the kids can find the help and comfort I was only able to find around last year. Hope it doesn’t take them as many errors and pain as it took me. All we can do is make the next generation better so they don’t have to go through this

[@Mama_Bear524]

Huge huge hugs to you. You didn’t deserve that and you did the best thing by speaking up. You’re a brave woman.

[@kimmi2662]

I know people want to place the full blame on Jodi's influence but Ruby was a willing participant in the sick treatment of these children.

[@abbyp.42]

Exactly. She had the capacity to do these things to her kids within her the whole time.

[@BG-ig6fd]

Ruby and Kevin were already being abusive to them years before meeting Jodi. Teaming up with Jodi just escalated the abuse.

[@Mama_Bear524]

Yep!! And let’s not forget about Kevin

[@Watchingvids01]

Yeah if she has a conscience she wouldn’t have been ok with this

[@SavvyMuhon]

Yeah she was abusing and starving her children before she met Jodi. Their eldest daughter had been trying to get CPS involvement for years

[@KarisPigNose]

Being hogtied is horrific. Speechless.

[@hadbetterdays8118]

True it reminds me of the abuse Gypsy Rose went through how when Gypsy started rebelling Deedee went through extremes like tying her up with handcuffs all while she was underweight

[@kymlouise]

I’m a behavioural psychologist & I’ve worked in child safety for several years & this horror & abuse of these children is so devastating; I can’t imagine Ruby’s mindset allowing Jodi torture these darling children. Ruby has always had very problematic & abusive parenting & Kevin was at least complicit in the ongoing abuse of all of their children & he needs to be investigated & punished - at the very least KF tolerated & accommodated Ruby’s Dickensian child “raising”. I’m actually astonished that RF survived & had the immense internal fortitude to escape from his torturous existence & that he was so brave he was able to get help for himself & his sister. I’m certain that RF & EF would have died if they were subjected to more torture meted out by Ruby & Jodi. Apart from the Franke children & those people who have come forward throughout this investigation, who knows how many other people have endured & suffered Jodi’s loathsome wrath & completely deranged “treatment”. Rubi Franke was never a mother; she was a narcissistic sociopath who abused her children for social media clout & her husband is equally responsible

[@tea_time_t]

I'm not sure if the TikToker covers it later, but I read a report that the "homeopathic remedy" was cayenne pepper mixed with honey. This is insane.

[@catherinemarie08]

I can't imagine how much pain that would have caused and then to have duct tape on irritated or torn skin. My heart just breaks for these babies.

[@catherinemarie08]

I can't imagine how much pain that would have caused and then to have duct tape on irritated or torn skin. My heart just breaks for these babies.

[@yogadork_namaste]

The "remedy" was cayenne pepper and honey. Imagine putting cayenne pepper in open wounds. Covering it in duct tape so it cant be washed off, then pressure of cuffs reapplied.

[@jessss444]

😢😢😢

[@ALT-vz3jn]

Ruby and Jodi are demons.

[@joellenklemek138]

It’s unthinkable. Unspeakable. I wish that I could hug him and comfort him and sooth him.

[@amynickell7487]

Please don't underestimate the effect of a high-demand religion here, in this case a form of Mormonism carried to the extreme. It'd be super interesting to do a series on this alone.

[@plantsntrance5513]

100%. !!! Cults to Consciousness (KZbin channel) is all about that

[@karengregory46]

Please do a podcast on the Mormon faith

[@ruthannebrooks2826]

@@plantsntrance5513thanks for the recommendation!

[@Palucu]

​@plantsntrance5513 that's a fantastic channel!!! Good recommendation❤😊

[@jodimarie379]

I think Jodi Hildebrandt was sort of the anti-therapist. In a good therapy relationship, the therapist helps the client realize the best of themselves. Jodi coached people into bringing strengthening their worst traits. It is like she took someone with narcissistic or antisocial tendencies and helped them develop the negative traits

[@brandonwilliams4050]

"Anti therapist" is a hauntingly accurate way to describe Jodi Hildebrandt. Perhaps it's because I don't really follow a lot of so called "true crime" but I am truly flabbergasted by this woman and what she has gotten away with and the web of pain and misery she has caught so many victims inside of. Learning about her and all of this coming to light feels like history being made, and not in a good way. Like how people must have felt following the discovery and trials of the infamous serial murderers or other historic criminals in real time.

[@Potato_Bug]

To be honest, not only do the details of what torture those children went through deeply disturb & upset me because that kind of depraved behavior should be upsetting, but also because FOR YEARS Ruby not only got away with it, she GOT PAID & PRAISED while being that kind of person- Those children get to go through life with a reality of their parents abusing them, that people subscribed & enjoyed watching videos of the “perfect family” you never actually had, that companies & brands paid them, that there were some people who saw & tried to help, but millions of other people defended your parents & idolized them. My heart hurts for all of those children- even Ruby’s siblings’ children- they always deserved to feel loved & safe

[@Mike-sj9si]

I have a tendency to be an overly diplomatic person which I'm working on and I worked in childcare and education for many years. Though I DO NOT condone abuse in ANY FORM I also do understand some discipline coming from some parents in some cases. Every kid is different, different things work for different kids, if you've been around kids enough as an authority figure you understand what I mean. Even with that said, this could NEVER even be MISTAKEN for discipline EVER in ANY circumstance.

[@andarwarje8127]

WHAT?? She was waterboarding her kids basically, is what I am hearing here. I have PTSD from an intimate partner abuser I met when I was 15 (he was 30 years older than me), and even I was not expecting to hear some of this insane stuff.

[@APerson-qw8yy]

I grew up with a Christian (Baptist) family and my mom would tell me repeatedly as a child that I had the Devil in me and that I was going to hell. Kinda brings back some memories that I thought I forgot.

[@yummico]

I'm so sorry. That's awful

[@Alayhoo]

Being a therapist seems so challenging. How do you treat sadism?!? How do you hold unconditional positive regard for someone who enjoys torturing their own children and reveling in it online for all to see?! And what’s worse is that sentencing is usually more lenient when it’s parent to child violence vs. adult to non-related child. I guess that’s good news for Jodi’s sentencing but it really seems like it should be the opposite.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Long story short, it's difficult to have positive regard for these clients, but it's definitely possible. Love conquers all.

[@helpmeImpoor5314]

What was the point of all this torture?!?! These women are INSANE

[@missliss2581able]

In Jodi’s case, I honestly think she just enjoys hurting children and has thrown her pseudo religiosity in the mix. In Ruby’s case, I don’t think she wanted to have as many kids as she did. She put in a vlog that she didn’t want to have E but Kevin did. Other than the youngest two, she always seemed to target Chad as the “problem.” But I feel some of that may have been Jodi’s counseling and Jodi has a particular hatred of males and especially adolescent boys. This really seems to be a perfect storm of two individually bad people coming together and ramping each other up. Just my lay person’s observations

[@elizabethsigmon2731]

After hearing these details, I’m fully convinced there was a very real possibility those children would’ve died if one hadn’t escaped and gotten help. Some of these details of the torture are very reminiscent of the Sylvia Likens case (a child who was tortured to death by her caregiver) and it haunts me to my core. These women need to be locked up for the rest of their lives

[@Mama_Bear524]

Everyone take care of yourselves. This is really hard.

[@Ms.Prairie]

2:29 All I can think of outside of E and R is Jessi’s story. I’m so happy they came out before the details were released because it just speaks to Jodi’s (and Ruby’s) acceleration - and hopefully then the parole board. Thank you for the body check. ❤ 4:07 Truly Geneva convention sh!t.

[@sgolomer]

Thank you for talking about RF sadistic traits, my brother and I suffered similar cruelty at the hands of my father, who I have always suspected was a sadist.. I, like you cannot bear my own daughter to suffer even for a second and no amount of brainwashing or indoctrination could make me abuse her or cause her suffering. I am beyond thankful that my father’s sadistic tendencies are now only something I have to deal with in therapy and that they will not be inflicted on future generations.

[@heykaylc23]

I can't even fathom or conjure the types of abusive thoughts/acts described in this video, absolutely tragic and so, so sad. Hopefully the kids are in a better place now.

[@deborroni]

This is all just so heartbreaking! 😢😢 Those poor children. Sometimes I wonder how people can not see the inhumanity in the way they treat literal defenseless, innocent, still learning/growing tiny humans!! 😔

[@LizKcer]

Yeah, I actually know some guys that were treated like that and even worse in childhood....all I can say is that therapy can't undo the damage at this point.

[@ashlieleavelle]

Dr. Honda, can kids with all this trauma ever recover fully? I know trauma sticks with people, but will these kids have PTSD as they get older from their Mom and Jodi?

[@Ms.Prairie]

I’m a former complex trauma kid with previously undiagnosed ADHD, and yes, they can absolutely recover, but ‘recovering fully’ isn’t really a thing. It’s kind of like scarring that can open back up in later life. (Getting my BA degree is taking me longer than peers my age, but that’s not the same for everyone with my trauma profile). I will probably need psychiatric and psychological support for the rest of my life - but it’s kind of like how we all normalize taking our vitamins. Trauma alters the body on a chemical level, so we are more prone to mild to severe autoimmune disorders (I have endometriosis and mild eczema) when the trauma took place during early developmental periods. Humans are truly unique like snowflakes, in that our resiliency ebbs and flows, and sometimes our resiliency can be so strong it defies neurotypical logic. I hope this helps understanding ❤

[@Ms.Prairie]

(resiliency has to be practiced - it takes a long time, and we’re always finding new or improved support tools!) It’s part of why I’m so interested in neuropsychology, even though I got mercy-passed in high school chemistry. 😂❤

[@tammy7093]

@@Ms.Prairiewhoa!!!! I have endometriosis too!!!! That could just be caused by trauma?? Who knew!!!

[@Twirlingbarbie]

This whole story makes me feel sick. I wouldn't even do that to my worst enemy's child

[@kathrynmarie412]

Thank you so much for you continuing to cover such an imperative case, albeit so insanely heartbreaking for all of us. I pray for true justice and accountability, and hope for nothing but peace, health and healing for the children and anyone else these monsters have abused.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Thanks, Kathryn! Agreed.

[@mountainheather]

This whole situation is so disgusting it's hard to believe it's real. What always hurts my brain also, is the images of her with these kids. They all look so typical, a little airbrushed perhaps, but nothing that would signal this depth of depravity.

[@RoCkbunny769]

I have an 8yo and a 6yo, and I can’t even imagine doing this to them. I can’t even get myself to put them in timeout for more than 30 seconds.

[@precia123]

Wow! Didnt even expect a video today! Yaaaaay Dr. H and PIS crew. Happy New Year to you all. Thank you for all those years, youvegiven us.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

We're gonna publish on Tues and Thurs, along with a member video on Tues, and along with the audio episodes. But when Love Is Blind is published on Feb 14, we will publish 2 per day.

[@tudabee]

i do appreciate dr. honda making sure everyone watching is safe, even at the expense of views, and also that he's not mincing words, because this just sucks. i feel like a lot of kids are harmed because some adults have difficulty with the concept of children as... children. they are developing humans with specific thoughts, needs, and behaviors seeing them as small adults means you could assume they have context and responsibilities they are just not capable of, and seeing them as something like a pet leads to depriving them of care and stimuli they need but this behavior towards adults *or* animals would be (or SHOULD be) entirely unacceptable. this feels like treating children as objects. or worse! you wouldn't duct tape your toaster out of spite if it didn't work! this sucks!!

[@The28thfish]

Nobody could ever convince someone who isn’t already pure evil to commit these acts against their own children.

[@victoriagrove5344]

It is so hard to imagine what would make a mother cause so much damage and pain to her children. Evil! Those children were probably days if not hours from death 😢

[@lori3056]

The "homeopathic" remedy they used was cayenne pepper mixed with honey. On deep open wounds! Sick.

[@poodleriffic]

I am haunted by her intense joyful smile when she talked about depriving the son of a bed to sleep in for almost a year. After what dr Honda said about the torture she did on the younger son, depriving him of air… that Intense radiating smile haunts me even worse.

[@andarwarje8127]

Thank you for being one of the very few creators on here to actually use Jessi Hildebrandt's correct chosen pronouns. They came forward and were explicit about using they/them pronouns and a staggering number of creators ignore that completely. This is a traumatized human being who is valiantly speaking out and I don't like seeing them be misgendered in the process.

[@petiolereads]

And if it's helpful, I love and personally use"nibling" as a gender-neutral term for niece/nephew!

[@wendyredd9890]

Thanks for covering this

[@Opiniatedwoman]

On Hidden True Crime latest there is a tour of the Hikdenbrandt house , including the room the children were kept in. The house is on the market for over $5 million.

[@jodimarie379]

She has agreed to serve her terms consecutively, and has agreed to jail time. She can be sentenced anywhere from 4-60 years. I think the sentencing turnaround is quicker because she is currently detained. She will most likely be getting time served credit, but I think most states require those who are in detention to be sentenced sooner than if they were out on bond.

[@missliss2581able]

Because of how Utah’s sentencing structure works on consecutive sentences, the actual range of time they could serve is 39 months to 30 years

[@zinnmarx]

They both better get the full 60 year term

[@missliss2581able]

In Utah, consecutive sentences for second degree felonies have a cap of 30 years. For the minimum, it’s the full first charge and then 40% of the time of the additional charges. So the actual range they can get is 39 months to 30 years. Just wanted to share that because it’s an unusual sentencing system

[@katiearcher4475]

They wont. Its the first time either of them have been arrested for this. So we're already looking at the halfway range for everything. I hope the Judge adds a no contact order so they can never reach out to any of the children ever again.

[@hannahsouthard871]

I would love to see you react to Sean Strickland’s interview with Theo Von. He’s a UFC champion who talks about how the abuse he experienced as a child affected him. He is SUPER blunt and raw

[@nckg_oe]

I vote for this too. There is a 17-minute exerpt from the interview. It's so real. To me, the way traumas were shared seemed so relatable. I think most people imagine this happening in some kind of a structured predictable way, but they burst out of you, along with the feelings about them. Luckily, the host was compassionate in the interview.

[@lh8956]

Thank you!! I seriously think you’re the ONLY person I’ve heard say that about the father. I completely agree. How is he the father, and yet somehow knew nothing at all about all this abuse. I’m not buying it!! I don’t care when he left the house. It’s no way he wasn’t aware of it. And even if we believe him, he should be in trouble for being a crappy father and NOT realizing it. Either way you slice it. He’s slipping through the cracks.

[@Zwantceeto]

Raised by sadists and a SM myself. I don't see any valid reason to justify their abuse towards children when there is a whole lifestyle dedicated to expressing this side of ourselves consensually. It is a lifelong battle to recover from prolonged CA.

[@Ms.Prairie]

1:46 this Kirk-face is probably my favourite I’ve seen in the time I’ve been watching you, lmao. It’s the little things we gotta find, right? 😹

[@Ms.Prairie]

@@Woodman-Spare-that-treeDr. Honda’s first name is Kirk. 😊

[@aliciawaite5948]

Why isn't she being charged with attempted murder? She is lucky her kids did not die. It would have resulted if this young man hadn't escaped. These women are horrible! This is horrible! FYI...I am LDS and we don't use the language of "you are possessed", "you have something demonic and need to repent", or "you are evil." This just shows how sadistic these ladies are. They wanted to control and terrorize these kids not because of their religious beliefs, or convictions on upholding truth, or whatever BS they were telling themselves. They just flat-out wanted to control, abuse, and manipulate vulnerable innocent children. Their punishment should be swift and harsh. There are just so many people who are made up differently and like Dr. Honda references, that wake up wondering how they can hurt others, and it is amazing how many people subscribed to her philosophies and ways of thinking. I think there are so many people that failed these kids, including their father. I hope this just helps us to remember to be kind, and help others where we can because so many people are suffering. My philosophy has always been that if any child is in my presence, then I will treat them like one of my own. I will be a safe space and hopefully leave people feeling loved because of our interactions and hope that it carries through to others. We just have to do better as a society.

[@IWantToRideMyBike]

My child gets away with so much because I can handle her being upset. I can’t imagine doing this to your own children

[@kimberlyreyna5001]

Dr. Kirk Honda I'm a long time watcher of your videos! And I was hoping one day you could please watch lifetime's 'little women LA' and give us your thoughts! Thank you and thank you for all your wonderful content (:

[@yourpetyourway]

Jesus Christ! I was psychologically abused with some physical abuse too as a kid and it effed me right up and have CPTSD as a result but nothing to the degree spoken in this video. Sadistic is right.

[@topazfire974]

Ruby herself is a victim of some sort of abuse , there is a report that Ruby may have been a case of s.a , she was emotionally scared and may have gone undiagnosed and has been doing this because she seems to be disconnected from reality and a natural balance of empathy and real love , because of of this she can't understand the emotions of compassion for others only for herself , I think really needs help , and by no standards she should be let off the hook needs she needs to pay for what she has done , but this is what we are dealing with , Jodi is a true narcissistic , she needs put away for long time her head is cracked she knew what she was doing and Ruby just as cold blooded .

[@missliss2581able]

The “homeopathic remedy” was cayenne pepper mixed into honey. I just want to reiterate they put this on *open wounds*

[@audreymirandarusselman]

Yea, I’m curious about the father- he was at least in the picture during their KZbin channel, and I was under the impression that he filed for divorce after she was charged?

[@a-moon]

Hi Dr Honda. What Ruby and Jodi have pleaded to has happened after the father was not in the picture anyway. Not sure how much the father was involved in before then. I would assume, people don't go from 0 to this overnight. What is for sure, is that the father wanted to press charges against his first daughter just recently. Because she went into his home and got some iPads that her siblings were using. Ruby plead to 4 counts. Each one of them can have a sentence of 1 to 15 years in prison.

[@ALT-vz3jn]

I wish you would credit the original creator in your video description box. You mention her name really quickly once and I didn’t catch it.

[@hotsauce1646]

That was a good assesment . For i know alot of police officers are diagnosed psycopaths but they would do you no harm , infact they put themselfs in harms way to help you for they have a lack of fear and want to protect people . But there are those who only like to harm others and it's a complex thing bieng human in anyway of the word .

[@coriroo9323]

The "homeopathic remedy" was a paste of cayenne pepper and honey. I am not convinced it was there as a remedy. I just hope that those kids end up with their sister, or somebody else who will truly love and protect them as they should have been. They deserve at least some childhood, and I hope they get it. Our society let them down.

[@abcdaphne]

Dr Kirk! Please react to the recent updates in this case!

[@chrisandrew7577]

with 4 charges she can receive a max of 60 years (15 per charge) so for her thats pretty much life. I heard Jessie Hildebrandt saying that Jodi is likely getting a harsher punishment than Ruby. They likely have more on Jodi and that's why she took the plea deal - she didn't want anyone to testify against her.

[@edbrown5956]

This is extremely twisted. It was horrible to do that to the kids. Then to say THEY are evil and they're getting the devil out of them!?!?!? That's a mind F on another level! It's bad enough to get abused for being "bad" it's a whole other thing for being "evil." Those kids need lots of therapy and if the future caretakers can't afford it they should get a GoFundMe going. How horrible...

[@nancystewart2063]

Hidden True Crime put a video of Jodi's house that just went on the market and you can see where the kids where kept. Everything this woman is saying about what Ruby and Jodi did to the kids didn't involve Kevin. You can read the reports on multiple news sources and you tube channels. While Jodi and Ruby have to go to the sentencing, they will not be given a sentence at that time. In Utah, they will be taken to the prison and in about 8 months, the Parole Board will decide what their sentence will be. The judge has no say in it. Jodi's niece was told Jodi will most likely get the 60 yrs total. She was told that by the DA.

[@poodleriffic]

Does anyone know if there was a difference between in how she ab used her children? Was she worse w the boys than the girls? The tort ure she did, w the water and restricting air, did she do that to the boys and the girls, or just the boys? The intense joy she was radiating for depriving her son of a room and a bed for a year, was that pleasure mostly from hurting the boys?

[@laurenking4822]

For Your Own Good by Alice Miller is about this type of child abuse and its likely results. She was a Swiss psychologist and psychoanalyst.

[@anduncan15]

This physically makes me sick

[@kendrabean606]

Love you dr honda but i cant watch anymore its traumatic to even listen and imagine.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

I get that. It's rough.

[@XXScoripo]

It took 4 hours to get poor Eve out of the bathroom

[@hadbetterdays8118]

The poor girl didn't evan think her injuries needed to be treated at first that's how sad it was

[@aimeeyork6319]

I don't know if you've seen, Dr. Honda, the way Russell was treated by Ruby and some of his siblings.before all of this, but he's an extremely sensitive, emotional little boy , so I can only imagine how messed up he is now🥺 Do you think with the right kind of therapy he can recover?😟

[@tracythomas343]

I don’t know anything about this story. This is the first time I have watched a video on it. My question is, why is she sitting on a couch and not in jail? Is that an old picture of her or is she out on bail? Just wondering.

[@Ms.Prairie]

They are currently residing in jail. Jodi may be on increased supervision, but who knows, but they were denied bail, presumably due to flight risk and commingling with others (or the internet) to alter their alibis/defense. They both took plea deals, so sentencing is in February and they will be transferred to state prison (if I recall correctly). I really recommend Hidden True Crime’s coverage in the case. They’re a couple! Dr. John is a licensed psychologist and Lauren is a former local journalist.

[@kaleanaking5292]

I don’t think people are really realizing that she’s targeting her boys more than the girls ever since she got with Jodi too

[@kpanyc]

I've always been convinced Ruby is sadistic because of the look of joy on her face - she becomes RADIANT when she thinks of her children's pain. I have trouble watching it. Jodi seems different - obsessed with control and domination.

[@yogadork_namaste]

What really makes me sad is clips ive seen where R and E are talked about by other people as being so sweet and kind. I saw a clip where ruby said that E was always smiling and behaving and being sweet but that it was manipulation. So she got punished for...being too nice?

[@Ms.Prairie]

That was Jessi’s victim profile too when they allege (and I fully believe) that Jodi would send Jessi to church with duct tape over their mouth because words are manipulation when you’re “possessed”.

[@Tinkerbe11]

Jodi Hildebrand was just as bad. She pleaded guilty a few days ago, and one of the things she pleaded guilty to forcing the little girl to jump into a cactus at least 3 times! How messed up can someone be to do this to a little child? Jodi's niece, who had endured some of the same abuse from her aunt, and who also tried to flee but was sent back, she said, she had spoke to someone in court, and they said, that the sentence Jodi will be receiving will be on the upper end of the spectrum, i.e. closer to 60 years.

[@StylaPet]

She is pleads guilty to 4 charges each holding a sentence of 1-15 years and has already agreed to the sentences running concurrently so she’s looking at 4-60 years and I’m really hoping it’s closer to 60!

[@ladyj.9350]

*consecutively

[@ladyj.9350]

Also a bunch of youtube lawyers are guessing maybe 8 years minus time served, probation and the high probability of early release. Given it’s her first offence (legally speaking), she has a large and present support network (family & community), and probably seems like an ideal candidate for rehabilitation; I could see her getting away with a little tap on the wrist from a jury of her peers/local judge. Personally I’d like to see her in a chair but apparently I’m biased

[@bombadillo]

Unfortunately the max is only 30 years because of a Utah statute and that these are only SECOND DEGREE child abuse charges. I can’t imagine what first degree would have to be since this is some horrific stuff! Hopefully they will get at least long enough for the minors to age out. Anything under 20 yrs is a miscarriage of justice.

[@kellybrusky8765]

If anyone is interested there is a 20/20 on this that just came out. Definitely don’t watch if you are sensitive to this stuff because you see what condition the children were found in and it is incredibly troubling. I hope they both go to jail for the rest of their lives, to starve and imprison your own children is unforgivable.

[@swan-neck]

Those poor babies.

[@ashleysmith9660]

Cayenne pepper and honey was the "homeopathic remedy". 😭💔 you can view the document she's talking about if you search it.

[@reneewoodside45]

It's just infuriating listening to this. These women and Shanda Vander Arc make Casey Anthony look like an angel.

[@samanthas8340]

I wonder if Ruvy torchering her children was a form of subconscious projections. The way some abusers will blame their victim for all the behavior they are actually doing. Total speculation, but maybe Ruby knows/feels there is someone wrong with her at her core(like Ali Wong in Beef), and so her kids are just an extension of her and she punishes them in all the ways she wants to be punished? I don't thing Ruby was ever this sadistic though until spliting with her husband and going up with Jodi. Where would she have the time between all the filming? How would she have kept her kids quiet for so long? I think her oldest Sheri would have come out by now if things had been that extreme I her home. It seems that vlogging was her escape, her high - something I really don't understand. I think she even said ask much that blogging helps keep her in check. Then she gave it all up to be with Jodi. I wonder if that contributed to her slowly becoming unhinged?

[@plantsntrance5513]

Be perfect or suffer.... 😢

[@betanialacoste7945]

Law enforcement listens to upper chalants (people with money).

[@Andrew_Young]

Personally, I don't think Ruby is sadistic. I think there are a lot of things that came together to make her capable of this violence. Our society values authorities like psychologists and Jodi was one. I think Ruby knew that these methods are not practiced by mainstream psychologists, but that's where the religious authorities come in. The Bible says that if you spare the rod you spoil the child, so that alone can lead the devout to beat their children. In addition to that many Mormons were referred to Jodi by their Bishops. So, she was primed to listen to Jodi and Jodi is very convincing. Jodi would say that punishments are "spiritual surgery". Surgeons have to cut into human beings bodies, in certain situations like war they might have to remove a limb while the person is screaming in agony. Those surgeons do that because they know that while it causes the patient pain, it is also helping them. I think that's where Ruby's head was at, she was brainwashed by an authority that the violence was necessary to help her children. The Milgram experiments prove that our obedience to authority can lead us to commit violent acts even without long-term brainwashing and in this case there was long-term brainwashing.

[@samanthas8340]

Pretty sure Jodi was just a therapist at a Master's level. Psychologists are doctorate level. And she had her licensed suspended for a time- I think because of how she treated Adam steed? I wish those facts were enough to ward people off Jodi but atlas she was recommended by the church which I'm sure for many Mormons Is higher ranking than science.

[@wardcollector2503]

What are the chances that the youngest 2 of ur kids are possessed? Let them rot in jail

[@mayloomis9638]

The 'homeopathic remedy' involved cayenne pepper and, i think, honey if i remember right. I mean, not homeopathic. And yeah, it's both of them.

[@lindaouellette6656]

“What happened to me is my fault” 😢😢 RF… August 2023!!!😢😢😢

[@shanarooni]

Sounds like attempted murder

[@psiquepanchis]

WHat about the father?? He is a complice in all this. He could have stop it.

[@joyandrews3804]

I’m also concerned for Ruby’s older children. If they complied out of fear they will also be impacted for the rest of their lives. I speak from experience. Their spirits have been broken. They are vulnerable to further abuse from others.

[@jenallen5202]

You have the timeline wrong these things happened while Kevin was living separately. The kicking and waterboarding i mean. Do i think he deserves a pass NO however he was not in the house for the timeframe of this investigation sadly.. Also utah only allows 30 years for level 2 charges so the 60 people are talking about is not possible. It makes me sick but i bet they get 4 to 6 years. We need better laws..

[@Susan-jr3ld]

Nibling is a non-binary word for niece or nephew

[@leora8278]

I try not to judge or assume I know the mind of anyone I don't know, but it's hard not to think Ruby and Jodi got some sadistic pleasure in all this. I don't know that they believe they did anything wrong. They seem to be taking the plea to avoid consequences although Ruby has said it's to spare the children going through the trial. I really hope the kids are getting real help. It's hard to know if the father is safe. Do you know of any studies on how not fully sadistic people (abusers) are convinced that abuse is love? It sounds like you believe there are many abusers who are not sadistic or psychopathic. Is there specific treatment to help reprogram people who believe this?

[@coffee8599]

Did Dr. Honda not see the full charges? She beat and choked and tried to drown her son.

[@amandaw1712]

He did, he said she’s sadistic

[@MegumiLuv]

I just heard on law and crime that Jodi Hidldebrand forced the young daughter to repeatedly jump into a cactus.

[@amandasparks334]

While I am so glad the victims won't be put through the trauma of a trial, it's frustrating to me that the full horror of their abuse will not have its day in court. We shall see, but unfortunately it doesn't look like Ruby or Jodi will serve more than the mandatory minimum for their crimes (4 years). I just don't want either of these women to ever be able to have a normal life after what they have done...

[@Ms.Prairie]

I agree. In the Chris Watts case, the state investigator/detective (one step down from the FBI, essentially) said she felt like the story was never finished and she couldn’t find true justice for his wife and his children, and the State as a whole - because Chris took a plea deal. It is just devastating. I fully believe the trial could have been accomplished without subjecting the kids to cross-examination or further interviews. They could easily use the first weeks of their pediatric care, and follow up appointments that happened post-escape. It boggles my mind. It shouldn’t be allowed in cases like this. It would expose so much systemic religious ab*** of children and infants within Utah.

[@ianclark2665]

Great channel, but I can't watch any longer.

[@BeverlyRose330]

I'm so sorry to these children. And I'm so sorry to ALL the children that are currently suffering at the hands of a religious group. It makes me think of the thousands of children in Gaza dying at the hands of religious terrorists. 💔💔💔

[@simritnam612]

This dude is contradicting hisniwn professional manual. Something wrong....

[@Mama_Bear524]

Everyone take care of yourselves. This is really hard.