Ruby Franke & Jodi Hildebrandt #8 - (Therapist Reacts)

[@725Kellybean]

Blaming victims for their own sexual assault is a very Mormon thing to do. She said she’s not talking about if someone attacks you but they absolutely do.

[@danamoss2730]

“Ugh she’s elaborating. 🙄 okay.” Had me in tears 💀

[@loveleyeyes1654]

As someone incredibly harmed by purity culture and abstinence based education...nothing boils my blood like the victim blaming and lack of education about bodily autonomy that comes with it. Those lessons teach children to have power over their own bodies and they will be more likely to speak up about being harmed or pushed into sexual situations they are not ready for.

[@loveleyeyes1654]

@DominelleBorden I think most parents are just trying to shield their kids. That mindset, while well intended, does let in those that would seek to push boundaries, when there are none as a parent can't and shouldn't be with kids and teens 24/7.

[@loveleyeyes1654]

@@DominelleBorden The statistics clearly show that education about bodily autonomy and giving kids terms like consent makes them less likely to be targets. If they don't know what is inappropriate, they don't speak up.

[@IWantToRideMyBike]

I’ve never seen anyone make you so mad. I’m glad you are open about it

[@Shelsight]

Same here. His authenticity and honesty shines through. I was the victim of abuse from my teacher who was a friend of my parents, and as an adult, hearing these gaslighting excuses from an abuser just make my chest knot up, even 35 years later.

[@Ms.Prairie]

Cannot agree more! I am in my third wave of healing from my childhood - and this is so cathartic. It makes my heart full because dark humour is my saving grace 😂❤

[@InvisibleBlues]

Dr. Honda, I have been a fan a long time. I was also raised in the LDS religion, finally breaking off years ago. Hearing your empathy for the victims-and your outright anger on their behalf-is healing. Thank you. I struggle so often with knowing whether or not I’ve done the right thing for myself. It cuts me off from family on both sides. The freedom comes with a cost. Thank you for validating my feelings today.

[@Eman__7]

It’s the story you came to life to live it and overcome it. I believe that anyone who was born in a difficult situation that take him years to overcome is a brave soul that took that story willing to overcome it and flourish regardless of it. It must be hard to cut relationships that u have known your entire life .. relationships that you are defined by. I am on that early stage where I am just realizing that in order for me to live life authentically the way I want, at a certain point I will have to cut my fundamental relationships (family). Just that realization is hard to accept let alone acting on it. Good for you to have been able to reach that stage. It’s okay if it felt wrong, upsetting and scary. Allow what ever emotions or doubts to surface and you will heal eventually and find peace within.

[@marionaoliver4055]

From what I know about LDS you did the right thing for you and probably you will have a better chance at being happy. However, ir must be so hard to lose your family, it is all you know! Maybe you could try to mantain some kind of relationship? If not, I am sure you will find your own family along the way, I really wish u the best

[@sarahohara4022]

I’m sorry your freedom came with a cost, it’s not fair and must be painful. You are very brave and your courage is admirable! Stopping the generations of trauma these organizations can disseminate is no small feat and is improving society❤

[@kristinegarner3027]

Yes, I feel validated. Being raised LDS and hearing this same rhetoric in church I used to think, "These people are nuts!" But everyone goes along and it makes you feel like your the crazy one. Now watching outsiders react, I wonder why I saw through it but others didn't.

[@LadyGreyAgeingDisGracefully]

“Family” does not abuse each other. If your blood relations have mistreated you they have lost the privilege to be called family. Grieve the relationship you should have had with these people and lay them to rest. It is a freeing experience to let go of this umbilical cord of guilt that connects you to “family”. After birth the umbilical cord becomes unnecessary and unsafe for the baby. Cut ties.

[@TheActualLiz]

Tragically, it's not entirely against doctrine. Women are basically blamed for tempting the man with immoral dress or behavior. And for being alone with the man. Not every bishop is harsh about it, but a lot of them do. I was raised Mormon. I was sexually assaulted in high school. I was basically labeled a "sexually immoral" teen after that. The Mormon repentance process involves a lot of public shaming and going over the event in excruciating detail alone in an office with an old man who's telling you what you did was almost as bad as murder. That you're not allowed to take the sacrament anymore (similar to Catholic withholding communion - it's very distressing if you believe). The church is absolutely culpable in this case. They brought her those children. They paid for these "treatment" sessions out of tithing and offering money. They selected her for this task precisely BECAUSE she was basing her treatment on Mormon Doctrine and an LDS book called "the miracle of forgiveness" and an official pamphlet "for the strength of the youth" designed for church sponsored "especially for youth events." It's doctrine and it's literally killing kids. A lot of kids un-alive themselves because of these teachings. It's a huge problem in the church.

[@lizlarsen1653]

The second-highest LDS leader, Dallin Oaks, said in a public address that the young women who dress immodestly (tank tops, shorts, two-piece swimsuits) are “walking pOrnogRaphy to young men.

[@InvisibleBlues]

I was raised in this religion, and everything you’ve said resonates so much.

[@Alayhoo]

Thank you for sharing your experience. I had a very similar experience in the church as well. I couldn’t agree more with everything you said.

[@jeremysmith9694]

I was also raised in the religion and had a completely different experience from you.

[@Alayhoo]

@@jeremysmith9694 I'm glad to heart that. I know too many boys and men in the church who have been victims of sexual abuse by church leaders and gay LDS men who have attempted or completed suicide due to the shaming tactics used against them. I'm very happy to hear you didn't experience any of that. I've noticed that the culture of particular wards can be dependent on the bishop. After I left the church and my mom was still attending, she loved her bishop and it really enhanced the overall experience for her compared to other times with bishops more... strict? Traditional? I don't know what word to use. I also have friends who belong to a stake in Washington state and their experiences growing up in that church are completely different from mine. Much more community and service focused rather than focused on perfectionism and status. It was really comforting to learn that from her.

[@Andrew_Young]

I loved when Dr. Honda just started laughing when she did the whole "No you're controlling!" thing.

[@framboise8845]

As a victime of "Stop!" (in my 50's), I want to tell you that your words and your reaction is therapeutic and healing.

[@InvisibleBlues]

Also, we enjoyed three great nerd references this episode: 1. Game of Thrones 2. Star Wars 3. Star Trek Never change, Dr. Honda!

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Ha! I didn't realize that. Funny.

[@Marndarrr]

“Abstinence! Abstinence! It used to be around when I was a kid!” Still around now, but we have additional education and 77% fewer teen pregnancies than 30 years ago. 👍

[@CraftystuffbyStacey]

Exactly! When she was young, there were less options. Education is the key.

[@Shelsight]

I love how authentic you are re yr reactions to Jodi. This episode hurt me as a victim of family friend abuse, but i can't tell you how glad i am that there are therapists like you out there, to counteract those like Jodi. My PTSD therapist has been a revelation in helping me heal and you remind me of her.

[@Khnole6619]

Really appreciate the passionate calling-out of victim-blaming.

[@adrianamartinez8092]

As a Social Worker I am appalled! I work with clients on the other side of her teachings. Ppl that hv been abused and made to keep quiet or made to feel like they were at fault. Seniors who hv kept trauma to themselves for 80 years because of the guilt. I hv no words...

[@goldenoreo6699]

I have met many people like Jodi in my life. Being in 12 step recovery programs for a few years some old schoolers will say that in sexual assault that “both participants have a part in it, even if its only 1%”. Its absolutely horrifying and hearing people believe this is really disturbing. Worse yet is that someone is a victim of assault they have often been asked, “what was your part in it”. I should know as this had happened to me. It was horrible and the shame I felt was suffocating. This is not of course to demonize 12 step programs, but it does show the insidious nature of sex shaming that can weasel itself into even programs that are meant to help others.

[@tredjesongen]

Oh I'm not afraid to demonize 12 step program. They Have Blood On Their Hands. I am sorry for what You had to endure. 12 steps have done much more damage than good. On to the historys scrap yard with that @€*#

[@Alayhoo]

Wow. That’s just horrible. I’m so sorry you experienced that in a group that was supposed to be supportive. I wish folks in 12 step programs who become facilitators were better trained. What happened to you sounds totally unacceptable.

[@katyajovich2308]

You deserved better than that. I’m very sorry you had to experience any of it

[@jodibraun6383]

What was your part in a SA perpetrated on you? Huh? Well, in my case, I was a very small child, so "my part" was being small, trusting and vulnerable. What an odd and damaging way to address ab*se. I'm sorry you ever had that question leveled at you. How horrid. 😢

[@laurenwasinger9436]

Poor Dr Honda is such an optimist. When you talk about all the things you thought would be different or better about 2023 I just felt sad…

[@yekaterinabelova2]

Hi Jodi, rape=taking the option of abstinence away from the victim. 😢

[@dysmissme7343]

❤

[@dysmissme7343]

That’s an impressively concise way to put it!!

[@dragonmummy1]

Until I retired a few years ago I was a psychotherapist and family therapist and did exactly the same sort of work as you describe here. I was always saddened at how so many children had such awful negative lives behind closed doors.

[@Alayhoo]

I can't even imagine the things you and Dr. Honda have seen and heard about. I'm sure some of it still keeps you up at night! I also think about the helplessness you'd feel knowing there's only so much you can do as a therapist. It all sounds so challenging. Rewarding, powerful and necessary, but challenging. Mental health providers working in community agencies and with families should be paid A LOT more.

[@NRaptor]

Thank you for covering this. It's so important and helpful to society having your insight out there.

[@konichiwaUT]

Your commentary was very validating. Thank you!

[@Marndarrr]

Did she say that “rape” was a consequence of one’s own actions? Of course she did. What a bleeping swear word of a human being.

[@dovestrodor]

"You are a controlling parent if you don't control your children" is a yikes. It reminds me of 1984 doublespeak. I think it can be an issue if you're too hands off with children and provide them no structure, but you're not going to target that problem by telling those parents they're being controlling when they're doing the literal exact opposite!

[@lidewijcroes1795]

It’s just so typical of an abusive and/or manipulative person so throw out a few truths that most people can get behind, and then to weasel in their more controversial standpoints. I think they do it to confuse people and win them over.

[@estefaniajuana9214]

Or as I call it, “brainwashing tactics” Jodi was a master at all the cult talk.

[@asho345]

Maybe what she meant is the household has control issues when parents provide no structure. That I would agree with.

[@swagsatan6292]

jodi needs an exorcist.

[@whym6438]

That's the problem, she thinks she IS an exorcist.

[@annieoakley8949]

The power of Christ compels you...The power of Christ compels you!!! 😊

[@Ms.Prairie]

Right? Like everyone who’s healing religious OCD is just like: 🫣🥶🧐

[@germanxmascookie]

The escalating punishments, seems to me, shows that their method wasn't working. Apparently, the children kept "misbehaving."

[@swagsatan6292]

And there is no way the children would escape punishment. Their idea of a perfect child is one who just doesn't talk, doesn't move, doesn't have any interests, desires. God forbid they look back at you in satan-like gaze.

[@ctfireinsky9554]

Reminds me of the response to concerns about cheating with "Maybe the reason that YOUR so concerned about cheating because YOU ARE!".... Um..No.

[@kimmi2662]

Knowing what we know now, make her statements even more demented than before.

[@khristelle6383]

“Ugh! She’s elaborating” 😂 my reaction every time jodi or rudy start speaking

[@lucydearden5625]

TW: SA, victim blaming You would think blaming the victim would be against the Mormon church. I left the church a year ago and recently got SA on a date. My very Mormon Mom’s reaction? “There’s something to be said about Mormon boys…” like it was my fault that I got violated because I dated someone outside the religion. Of course, now they spout that the victim is never guilty but that's after DECADES of preaching the opposite. Spencer W. Kimball, a former prophet, wrote this terrible book called “The Miracle of Forgiveness” that reads, “It is better to die defending one’s virtue [chastity] than to live having lost it without a struggle.” or Richard G. Scott, an apostle, said “The Lord may prompt a victim to recognize a degree of responsibility for the abuse” and that they should repent.

[@rachellevigil9004]

Not only that… but it’s in the handbook for bishops that sometimes the victim played a part that they need to repent of. There are so many stories if bishops blaming victims who are seeking help because, hey, the handbook literally instructs them to look for reasons to.

[@Foghorn-tr1je]

I am so sorry you went through that and them had to deal with your Mom’s reaction. Your Mom’s ignorance is so awful. There were multiple articles in the Salt Lake Tribune a few years ago about women being SA’d by Mormon students, and how the honor code office made that trama worse. I hope you are getting the support you need.

[@Alayhoo]

That Kimball quote is atrocious and burned into my brain. Where I grew up they would paraphrase it to say, "It's better to die than to be r*ped." How anyone in their right mind could enthusiastically say that to young adults ages 12-18 astounds me to this day. And it was mostly elder men saying it to young women. I was 8 the first time a Sunday school teacher pulled me out of the room into the hall alone and proceeded to tell me I should never take my clothes off for other people. I was 8 and thinking... okay? Why are you saying this to me? What is happening right now? Why am I being singled out? Then I think of all the elders who felt it was totally appropriate to put their hands on my shoulders, my lower back, my knee... and if I said anything about it I was labeled a problem child. I'm a problem because I don't think I should be touched by grown men without consent. Ugh. Disgusting.

[@9eyeswideopen]

Parents like Ruby who expected their children to be perfect, unlike her teach her children, not with love but fear. It’s heartbreaking to see how self-righteous she is about everything while knowing exactly how she is behind closed doors

[@hanah32465]

I love unfiltered Dr honda

[@Selilokie]

Sexual sin in the Mormon church is often stated to be second to murder, past leaders used to say that it would be better to come home in a box then come home unworthy ( from a Mormon mission) sexual shame goes deep in this culture, You are expected to repent of sexual sin to be considered worthy and in order to do that you have to confess to your bishop a lot of ex Mormon women will say that they confessed to their bishop that they were raped and the bishop has often assumed it was still her sin , they will re traumatize her asking her if she orgasmed , ex Mormon women will also report that they were punished more harshly for engaging in sex than the men were. This is not always the case however many women have experienced this , There does not seem to be an understanding of consent as the main focus is to abstain until marriage and then within that boundary it’s okay.

[@mandymorrow5473]

It seems to me like Jodi loves to take away so much that she's eventually taking away a child's humanity!

[@Ferreneh]

Exactly what I thought. "I gave you life so I'm taking it away". This is the thinking of psychopaths

[@TricommStrategies]

"Jodi" - I'm here for the Doc's tone of voice when he spits out her name lol!

[@ChristianSchaffer]

okay hear me out…a breakdown of all the characters on game of thrones - episode by episode, all seven seasons 🤓

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

OMG. I'd love to do that. I have made a bunch of eps on individual characters.

[@Palmbreezs1940]

You are so right! As a licensed therapist in FL, I find it absolutely astonishing that this person practiced for so long sanctioned by the state, other practitioners and a huge religious organization. The fallout of the many, many families and couples she purportedly "helped" will be felt for years.

[@Ms.Prairie]

21:13 your little firecrackers of frustration/anger is so healing for me 😂😂😂

[@Jo-razz]

Your last statement is what bothers me. What about all the parents out there that were trained by Jody. It is a scary thought.

[@mazieferreira7757]

Humans never cease to disappoint...

[@timothybrooks6948]

I discovered your channel because of the Ruby Franke story

[@MaudMargretheRex]

Ive never seen or heard you that firm. - but Thanks. Good Talk.

[@BananaEnvyPodcast]

I was sexually assaulted at age 14 by a 17yo after he picked me up to take me on a date. I was also raised Catholic, so I genuinely thought I was going to hell & blamed myself for putting myself in that situation & refused to tell anyone about my “sin”. It wasn’t until 2 years ago at age 24 that I finally realized that it wasn’t my fault & I decided to report it to the police.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

I'm so sorry that happened. I'm glad you can now see it for what it was.

[@Boggelfinger]

When I was younger. I was so excited about the possibilities. We for the first time had information at our fingertips. Inside our homes. Surely that would usher in a better society. More wise and will have learned to value our differences. Realize our commonality. Society would be wiser and the world would experience peace . Real peace for the first time. Instead we have...well just turn on the news. And watch how people treat each other . Everyone wants to force what they believe down your throat. Yes our government. I held such hopes. How dumb am I?

[@thebowandbullet]

What was that audio glitch at 10:17?

[@angelapepple9901]

I love the way you shake your head at the absurdity

[@Foghorn-tr1je]

Natasha Helfer does have a KZbin channel. Her focus is on sexual health and mixed faith Marriages.

[@keiolge]

Your climate change role play was a perfect impersonation of Tucker Carlson 💀

[@carissa7434]

He’s just asking questions 😉

[@ResearchForMyself]

This is gonna be fascinating!

[@andra9601]

Is Julie projecting when she says that there is evil lurking everywhere in the world (seems like she sees mostly evil), because she is so skilled at channeling her own evil that she’s even deceived herself about not being evil? Ps, I’m using the word “evil” here just to make a point. Also, yes, this whole situation about Jody and the Mormon church and Boy Scouts of America, the legal system, abusive licensed therapists etc. blew me away at first as well. But in retrospect, after having had time to think about this issue for a while now, I feel like I should have known that this was happening.. because there’s nothing that I can point to, no scientific paper or anything, that would back up the notion that in 2023 a large portion of human society wouldn’t be against being LGBTQIA+, masturbation, reproductive rights, children’s rights, etc. I must have been living in my own bubble before. I think that people who I might refer to as progressive are a small portion of human society. That said, data shows that Millennials and Gen Z are becoming conservative at a slower pace than the previous generations (Gen X and Boomers) which is still a good thing tho.

[@cjgroom109]

I’m studying to get a psychology degree rn and still considering my job options for the time period where i don’t have a masters / phd. I have a strong urge to teach sex ed because of how badly it is butchered so often. If i were a sex ed teacher, i would definitely show them this video, specifically between 15:00 - 22:35

[@a-jheney102]

Regarding ""abstinence"" as a WW2 children most of us were taught where babies came from.wsy before 10 , We understood ,age appropriately , & that self respect meant making our own decisions based on knowledge .& condoms were THE only protection & also had to be asked for at the chemists ! No one I knew became pregnant & very few had ' made /love ' before 18 . One of my friends from age 5 did marry at 17 but snot because she was pregnant , but because that was how it was to be . Most of us were over 20.when we married , I was 22 & there have been few divorces or actually .babies ! So it is odd to me that with ALL the education & availability of even a morning after pill that there is any '' suppose "" pregnancies &.single mothers ..,

[@Foghorn-tr1je]

All that you wrote is anecdotal. My Mom grew up in the same period and knew lots of teens that got pregnant. The data does not extrapolate to your personal experience. Lots of places still don’t teach science based sex education, personal boundaries, and consent.

[@jenniferelizabeth7325]

For a couple years I went to an Evangelical high school in what was otherwise a very diverse city. Every morning we would be forced to go to chapel and listen to guest youth pastors. Probably several times a week that would tell us that if we were alone in a room with any man it would be our fault whatever happened because boys and men have "uncontrollable urges". The message to the boys and men in the room is they can do whatever they want to young girls and women. My parents never even know the extent of the sick stuff we were taught, given it was delivered by a "youth pastor" and bracketed by prayer. In our city this school was also publicly funded which is outrageous. I was also told that my pets and friends would all go to he'll because they didn't attend the Evangelical Chuch (and animals "don't have souls and were created for men's use"). That was the last straw for me and I left that school. Talk about "grooming" young people. A lot of predatory creeps involved in these organizations 🙄

[@02biddle]

I think Dr Honda is going overboard here. Sex is NOT a compulsion you can't control. It is a natural instinct thatshould not be vilified but self-control is possible

[@jenniferhyde5389]

Abstinence 🙄 Abstinence 🙄Abstinence 🤣

[@camrynpickles2549]

this is like a crossover episode! I love Mormon Stories and as an exmo I regret to inform you the sentiment that it is your fault if you were r*ped is a common mormon idea. one of our leaders had said “it is better to lose your life than your virtue (virginity)” suggesting if you don’t fight until your death against a r*pist you wanted it or you don’t care enough.

[@sixgrandchildren5973]

My Morman friend cries everyday bc her brother committed suicide bc of porn shame.

[@Joxman2k]

Abstinence is a fine goal, but when you couple that with no masterbation you get really werid people with issues. Preach abstinence, but also give them the tools to have safe sex if they choose to. Otherwise lower the age of marriage to freaking 12 years old, if you dont want them living in sin. Sheesh I a mso glad I grew up when and where I did. We were taught good sex ed where we had access to condoms and the pill was known about.

[@notbornagainbornright5046]

Watch local news in Salt Lake. I think it's channel 2. The daughter went into the house when the search warrant was going on and she took the devices. The dad went to the police station and said his house was broken into and his devices were taken. The police said your daughter was there and she turned in the devices. The dad said he wanted her arrested and police said NO . THE SISTER SGARI HAS CUSTODY OF THE KIDS RIGHT NOW

[@Alayhoo]

Yes! Channel 2 is doing a great job covering the story as it unfolds.

[@JM-pg5rc]

That father is just as guilty.

[@HalloweenFreak365]

Unfortunately we have a large elderly baby boomer population in control of this country currently, one’s who’s clinging to power and use religion to wield it. Our politicians where taught by people born in the 1800s, and until millennials and below start or tell these people to leave and actually force them out, the death rattle of religious zealots will unfortunately continue.

[@Alayhoo]

💯

[@Tinkerbe11]

It's not the boomers' fault! I'm a boomer, and I grew up in the 60s and 70 with teachings of free love and sexual liberation! And Dr Honda is my generation, too. Its just very recently that fundamentalism has risen. Maybe, because they have so many children and "produce" more fundamentalists. So it will become even worse with every generation. Or just because they saw society drifting towards freedom, and try to counteract that. But the majority of boomers was not educated by people born in the 1800s.

[@Alayhoo]

@@Tinkerbe11 When we talk about boomers we're not talking about the hippie folks like you. We love you! You are not the problem! It's your counterparts who did not join the free love or other progressive political movements. We're talking about the boomers who worshiped "the man," capitalism and promoted fear of sexual liberation. My poor mother who's a boomer was raised in the middle of a desert in a tiny Mormon town. She had no idea the free love movement was even happening. So we mean the sheltered, conspiracy hungry, entitled, boomers who act they they're God's gift to earth and everyone else is just lazy trash.

[@marciabutler987]

Boomers' parents were not born in the 1800s. Their parents were from The Great Generation.

[@galejohnson8086]

The word agency makes me want to barf!

[@mkaverage4773]

15:00 girl what??? I want to live in the world she lives in where no one talks about abstinence only anymore & everyone is free to do what they want. (As long as it’s safe & consensual ofc.) What delulu land is she in where everyone is sex positive now????

[@elizabethlacky6068]

In the early 70s we went to est ( Erhard Seminars Training ) .Jodie isn't inventing anything new..

[@thesollylama130]

My guess is-- Jodi is a closet lesbian. She uses her position of authority as a councilor and trust as a church member to prey on vulnerable women. There may be a level of self loathing due to the clash with the religious dogma as well. But Jodi's MO seems to be a pattern of her all but invading a marriage by literally moving into the home and inserting herself as a third member. Then Jodi targets the man as the cause of all problems in the relationship and rather than work to keep the couple together, pushes specifically to exile the man. Leaving Jodi to make an attempt to form a sexual relationship with the woman. Remember even if the woman wasn't so inclined, Jodi is living with her and spent months demonizing men as a whole. Trying to break down any inhibitions to this relationship with Jodi. I think Ruby is just the target that Jodi was successful with. Ruby is clearly all in on the cult. While Jodi is composed and calculated, Ruby seems almost frantic. While Jodi is using all this as a manipulation- Ruby is a true believer at this point almost shaking with fervor. But they are virtually sitting in each other's laps in their videos even though the frame is panned out super wide. No reason they need to be in such close constant physical contact for the shot. That's a choice. If you are as down the rabbit hole as Ruby is to expose her kids to this level of torture by Jodi...anything Jodi wants she is getting. She got Ruby to ditch her husband, abandon her kids at best, torture them at worst, and parrot everything Jodi says as some holy enlightened word to a camera. Giving in to Jodi's sexual demands was probably the first thing to go. That's not to relieve Ruby of responsibility for her abusive nature. She was clearly a masochist and bully that got actual pleasure from her children's misery long before Jodi got her hooks into Ruby. That was more like immaturity and not being able to provide leadership as an adult. I saw this in the Army where young people suddenly got put in a position of power over other people- but with little training in leadership first. People lacking maturity that only see their authority as a way to dole out punishments and push people around. Ruby's smug grin during those times is more childish than mustache twirling villain.

[@dianaw451]

Show up to school n bring your 5-year-old a lunch.

[@AvaJochheim]

I'm just as shocked by all this immaturity still going on

[@slconley]

Omg 😳 I found existing videos of Jodi Hildabrant on a channel on KZbin!!! It’s called EternalCore it’s horrible what Jodi is teaching.

[@221BBakerStreet]

People like this can justify just about anything because they don't have any insight or self awareness and they seem to only ever think in linear terms.

[@OzzyVRrealone]

The church runined ruby. I feel for her childhood and just how lost she is. They have her mind so warped that she didn't have the confidence to just be who she is and trust her own gut.

[@SmokenHash]

Dr. Honda, can you talk about the recent Lil Tay stuff? 😢

[@mykidsaresupercute]

I hope Jodie never gets out of prison.

[@kat8canary77]

I just saw People magazine cover and Ruby is on it. Twice. Jodi did not make the cover. Jodi gonna take Ruby down for stealing the spotlight?👏👏

[@Shelsight]

A few months ago Jodi would have fumed at Ruby taking the spotlight. Right now I bet she wants to remove every association she can with her. I bet they're turning on each other with every sentence they utter...

[@kelellisa]

The over annunciation is MADDENING

[@janshe3597]

She made millions off of the backs of the members of the LDS Mormon Church. Just thinking about the damage she has done to so many is enough to turn my stomach. I’m sure some, if not most of them, are reiterating her idiotic ideologies, which align perfectly with the LDS Mormon doctrines…

[@shimmyalot]

Someone please tell me I misheard her and she did not just talk about r@pe like it was a choice!

[@JM-pg5rc]

Yep. And I was raised in the Mormon church to believe I should die fighting rather than be raped. My mother gave me a book in high school that listed all the ways to get out of being raped. I wish I kept it, it was bizarre. It was an extreme fear of mine for years.

[@galejohnson8086]

I can tell that you would consider me ignorant, but I can tell you that it is very possible to abstain from sex outside of marriage. It is called self control. And I don’t go around saying “i am a good pure person”. I haven’t been married since the 1970s, so I have known both sides.

[@jaala1759]

There are many comments/references to Jodi being gay. If that is true, maybe it was easy for her to abstain from sex because of her religious beliefs so she thought it should be easy for everyone. Also, maybe she has a “jealousy” to those who could have sex by choice. Just thoughts but I shouldn’t even try to understand evil.

[@sintara8442]

People are actually having sex later and later. The amount of virgins by the agr of 30 is immense actually. Also, I don't think sex is a compulsion, unless you see masturbation as sex maybe 🤔? Sure its a desire for most but it's not impossible not to, as opposed to drinking water

[@pjmackall]

Oh you have seen Mormon Storiies! 😊

[@TischTosh]

She and Ruby sound a lot alike, like, eyes closed, hard to tell the difference, no? Like voice tone and quality.....

[@vikiquigg5903]

Ugh she's elaborating hahaha his face

[@stereothrilla8374]

Silly? More like sociopathic.

[@jeremysmith9694]

Remind me to never move to Seattle

[@Alayhoo]

😂 fair enough. Don't move to Portland either because we're essentially the same. A lot of LDS and conservative folks are moving out of WA and OR to live in Idaho, which makes sense since there is a much larger LDS community. They will probably feel much happier there.

[@jeremysmith9694]

@@Alayhoo yeah I thought Seattle seemed like a really cool and pretty place to live but I can tell I probably wouldn't get along with too many people. People clearly have very different views from me.

[@chandrad951]

I’ve seen you on this chat in various videos. You seem to discount other peoples trauma. I’m glad it’s not your experience. But please honor and respect the victims.

[@jeremysmith9694]

@@chandrad951 huh? What victims and what traumas?

[@Alayhoo]

@@chandrad951 🩵🩵🩵

[@christinadiaz4349]

Did you really just compare people opposing climate change politicians and child abusers????!!!!

[@Shelsight]

He used climate denial as the topic, yes - but didnt equate the subjects at all, just used an analogy for Ruby's disingenuous and projective manner of delivery...

[@christinadiaz4349]

@@ShelsightYES HE DID!!! I have spent 35 years of my life fighting for the environment. It’s disgusting how much $ politicians made pretending they care about the environment.

[@KATELiNism]

the casual GoT reference slipped in is just... 🤌 premium content 👏😅