Hagler vs Leonard - Who Really Won?

Hagler vs Leonard - Who Really Won?
A quick look back at the 1987 middleweight championship showdown between Marvelous Marvin Hagler and Sugar Ray Leonard.
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[@crazyaboutboxing9385]

R.I.P THE MARVELOUS ONE !!!!!! Mr Marvin Hagar . You are loved by us real boxing fans and will be missed . Thanks for all the great memories.

[@Robert-qm5so]

Hagler 6 rounds to 5 with 1 even

[@billstocker2723]

I am 77 yrs old and still a diehard Hagler fan. Living on Cape Cod I saw him sparring in Provincetown. Met him at a road race. He was a “gentle” man. He was not a showman. He never liked fighters that belittled their opponents. Showboating tarnished the greatness of both Leonard and Ali. Seeing MM in person was a treat. He truly was Marvelous. May he RIP.

[@neilworsfold5768]

I actually scored the fight as I watched it. Same result in my eyes for Hagler. Our bias could also be reflected in the mindset that as Champion, Hagler needed to be given that respect in a close decision. Marvelous had been given no respect in so many ways in his career, he fought through it all, integrity intact. RIP to my greatest of all time.

[@ziggysmalls9329]

@ Neil Worsfold very well said

[@falconesports1581]

No such thing as that false narrative that the challenger has to win rounds that don’t exist if the challenger won 7 rounds in a 12 round bout with no point deductions or knockdowns then the challenger wins. Each round should be judged separately and be based on clean and effective blows that actually land to the body or head simple.

[@TheWarriors1515]

@@falconesports1581 those flurry’s that Leonard hit him with should not count as effective punches 10 flurry’s should count at 1 normal punch

[@englishguy9680]

Hagler. Leonard even said he threw flurries for the last 30 seconds of each round to catch the judges eye. All I know is Hagler didn't lose.

[@coreywilliams4116]

116-114 Hagler! Oscar De La Hoya stole that style as well...

[@jackssense4055]

You can actually hear Leonard's corner (Dundee) yell, "Thirty seconds!"at the end of each round.

[@EinsteinKnowedIt]

Leonard and Ali lives in Tyson Fury. If hagler was the contender then he lost pure and simple. But hagler wa not the contender. Rather he was a way too cautious stalker.

[@Mistachill]

I agree with Rummy. It was a close fight that you could legitimately score either way. What people should really discuss is why Hagler gave away the first three rounds with that ridiculous strategy of fighting orthodox? Hagler has only himself to blame for that loss.

[@krs7757]

He did lose though

[@mikeup7517]

Hagler pressed the issue and defended his title imo. That 118-110 card was a joke.

[@Cryptokat]

Indeed... Hagler 2 - 10 - Leonard? it's a joke. This "Judge", Jose Guerra, has got some serious questions to answer for. His so-called integrity is definitely up for debate. He gave the final round to Hagler only because it didn't matter this point.... Was he on the take? No, because boxing is such a clean sport right! Nah, this was an injustice - but this is the world we live in (and sadly, there are many. many worse injustices).

[@connshawnery6489]

Mike Up Agreed. That one card illustrated some clear myopathy from that judge. Leonard fought a great fight but the standard was missed as far as the rule to follow whenever a championship title is on the line. The challenger has to meet the burden of proving and fulfilling a clear victory against a champion without dispute. This was a title fight! This would be the equivalent to Ali being declared the winner of the first Frazier fight (which although almost killed Frazier) when it was apparent in that fight that Ali did not meet that burden to score the championship. This fight did not demonstrate that Leonard effectively 'took' the belts away from Hagler and this comment is coming from the biggest Ali and Leonard fan you could find :)

[@jasona9]

Yep, Judge Jo Jo Guerra saw a fight that NOBODY else saw.

[@aaronbradley3232]

Right I mean come on I think that in the fight of the century Sugar Ray Leonard was either a four or five round and the crowd booed like crazy and this guy clearly took a payoff or in case there was some controversy in the fight now it would have been a draw I think if you were one of the judges and I would have I would have given the fight to Hagler I score of the harder punches much higher than Sugar Ray's little pitty-pat

[@anthonyanderson9303]

@@connshawnery6489 That's not how boxing is scored. There is no "champions advantage" or you have to "take the title from the champ" as people like to say. Once that first bell rings, there is no mythical champion's advantage. The 4 main scoring criteria remain the same: clean punching, ring generalship, effective aggression, and defense. Whoever does those things better or more of those things better wins the round.

[@TerryTerius]

I have to give you massive respect for your general boxing knowledge, your ability to recognize your own biases, and your willingness to admit when you may be/were wrong. That's an excellent combination of traits to have. I really do hope that one day you'll be in a position to judge fights IRL, or at least provide commentary. You have the right voice for it, and your love for the sport is blindingly obvious. You have a great channel my dude, keep at it!

[@stevet9938]

Well said.

[@coryburns9161]

I thought it was a draw champ keeps the belt

[@richadambudgen7520]

Agreed!

[@davidhackworth9216]

The first fight I remember watching was hagler vs herns. I miss my dad too..

[@LWkg56]

Sorry to hear about ur dad :(

[@roberti131]

Duran Leonard 1 is the first fight my dad took to to watch with him and his buddies in one of their garages. Felt like man even though I was like 14. I miss my dad so much, he gave me the Love of boxing.

[@dylanhanes7205]

I feel u there I grew up in 80z 90z lost my dad in 91 we used to watch alotta boxing he loved it when foreman came back he also loves hagler said he was by far the toughest boxer he's ever seen and he definitely thought hagler me to as I've rewatched that fight recently I've watched alot of old matches lately and my dad has been right there on my mind I miss him I was only ten when he died and now my mom is gone I miss him that much more I can still hear him yelling at tv when this fight ended he was so ready to go beat the hell outta the judges lol he never got to see foreman get that title back he woulda been so dam happy when he seen that srry just really relate boxing and my pops and got alil nostalgic there for amin

[@naisiunnaheireann1752]

Amen 🙏

[@pfffttt9563]

I wish you the best.

[@sunlion8866]

Mr Marvelous Marvin Hagler, one of the sport's greatest warriors. R.I.P.

[@stillbill9217]

😢 RIP Marvelous

[@Dottor_J]

Incredibly close fight, Hagler won both the fight and the decision in my eyes.118-110 is disgusting, too bad there was no rematch. Great video

[@petermontgomery8707]

J rematch would have been a waste of time,hagler was done.Leonard wouldn’t have faced a prime hagler,he knew hagler was fading.Hagler would have been worse in a rematch

[@Lemon-rk9hq]

J remind me of Canelo vs GGG score card

[@efecemylmaz2524]

Lemon26 don’t overcharge..watch the fight again it was very close but hagler hits 1 time leonard hits3..the match acore changed after round 10 tho..

[@derekgreene7436]

Yeh I agree, a rematch was needed

[@Lemon-rk9hq]

Efe cem Yılmaz alright I will watch it again

[@Methadone4Life]

Hagler. Remember watching this and I just knew he was going to get robbed. Hagler was one of the greatest fighters in history and I feel he still doesn't get the respect he deserves.

[@vernonleewarren280]

Agreed. He's my favorite middle of all time

[@naturalbeast5157]

Hagler was a warrior my favorite fights to watch of all time are hagler fights

[@lnapjr76]

Agreed. Hagler is my favorite fighter of all time.

[@psychoticpurse6579]

I agree, I think another criminally underrated boxer was Joe Calzaghe

[@ronbonora7872]

I totally agree

[@unionhack6126]

Always thought Leonard sort of "stole" rounds with those flurries of punches. This analysis is more nuanced than mine could ever be. Two great and very different boxers. Could only imagine how much they would've made today. R.I.P. Marvelous Marvin Hagler.

[@markwhittaker6866]

Amazing after nearly 33 years to the day, this fight is still talked about.

[@HDmexsComboCon]

Guerra must have taken an envelope. Such a terrible score card.

[@bigtuss7482]

HDmex's Instant Replay he was found guilty of it and banished to the sewers shortly after

[@MrReav13]

Y'all are trippin. Hagler was the champ and he was the one controlling the center of the ring coming forward. If anything, it was HAGLER who should have been getting the benefit of the doubt in the close rounds, not the challenger Leonard who was landing softer punches and clinching a bunch. Sugar Ray was the better fighter pound for pound, but he did not do enough to TAKE the belt. Same as the second Canelo vs. GGG fight. Canelo did well but he did not do enough to warrant taking the belts from an undefeated champion.

[@johncooper7663]

Look at the promoter,....it was all about a 2nd rematch fight and a bigger payday. Had Hagler gotten the right decision there is no rematch

[@dazuk1969]

Hey HDmex...i just wanted to drop you a line n say i agree that with you. Blatant example of a boxing judge going on a very nice vacation a week after that fight if you know what i mean. What a fight though man. Respect n peace to you

[@shawnmichael9503]

HDmex's Instant Replay then YOU say which rounds Hagler won. I watched it live without sound and was kinda sad immediately when it ended bc I thought Hagler won 3 rounds at most. You 118-110 haters need to learn how fights are scored!

[@kyoku1982]

I heard Guerra later got a sex change... He now goes by the name Adeline Byrd.

[@hansharris6263]

LOL good one

[@MuhammadAli-kv5oe]

😂🤣😂😂😂🤣😭

[@stefanpigford6891]

kyoku1982 lmao 😁 😂

[@adriandelgado896]

Dude that was hilarious

[@zacharymcdowall1856]

Hahaha quality joke.

[@manni811]

The only question left is: How much did Guerra recieve and who paid him?

[@lordburlap1925]

And who sold you a pair of really bad glasses?

[@TheSBleeder]

The bitter irony is that Hagler's camp vetoed a British judge (due to what had happened in London after Hagler beat Minter) and asked for a Mexican judge, hoping that judge would reward aggression. The British judge says that he watched the fight on TV and scored it for Hagler. Maybe he was just running salt in Hagler's wounds, but still...

[@markdunham9949]

Really! the most incompetent official ever!

[@martindunstan8043]

I know this is a year late after your comment, however, this comes on the news that MMH has passed and I believe you are right this isn't slander but that judge is a fool 118/110? Do you think it was because the flashy 80s dreamboat could make more money for them than the hardworking machine? RIP MARVELOUS MARVIN HAGLER 🙏❤️🥊🥊

[@brianmcghee3597]

Exactly

[@thomascasey5944]

Hagler is my favorite boxer, always has been, always will be.

[@paulspears715]

love Marvin Hagler, he was the best

[@TheJoker-bx4vp]

RIP Marvin Hagler :(

[@hunkallgood73]

Who cares?

[@enigma9971]

He was one of the most intimidating

[@davidcook680]

Top ten fighter ever in my book. I don't recall him ever visibly being hurt by a punch.

[@ezzz42]

Hagler won Edit* Also. The smoking gun for me is the amount of warnings richard steele issued to leonard for holding. If i recall it was like 20 times lol.

[@ctdesign1503]

and low blows +hitting in the back of the head + holding / hitting on the break

[@encyclopediaamericana7234]

Stop. Or I'll tell you you to stop again.....lol

[@paulspears715]

yup, he used the old Ali crap of holing and clutching, same manager i believe

[@tsmullins9945]

You are correct! “You’re holding Ray!, Quit holding Ray!, Ray you’re holding! Quit holding Ray!” Over and over from ref Richard Steele. As Leonard hooked him around the neck and burying right to Hagler’s face.

[@ALbaby869]

Steele sucked.

[@1969JohnnyM]

Hagler won the fight but was fighting not just Leonard, he was fighting the crowd in the arena who cheered anything Leonard did regardless of whether it landed or not and boxing back then still suffered from judges who liked to go with the big money earning fighter and none were bigger than Leonard in the 1980's. A lot of Leonard's punches hit arms and gloves and many were pit pat shots. Hagler won this bout but it was close.

[@yourdedcat-qr7ln]

agreed

[@searchforthestrangler5034]

You make a good point that I thought about years ago. I think Leonard did receive a lot of style points based on the crowd reaction. He clearly was the fan favorite that night and you know how an underdog can play to a crowd. I think this may have had some influence on the judges although that one judge's scorecard way in favor of Leonard was a bit ridiculous. Even Al Michaels at ABC would soon make a joke about him that year when he was broadcasting a fight on the network.

[@MarkWhippy]

Seeing this again, it reminds me of the Fury vs Wilder fight.

[@team3gaming749]

John Maddin I disagree. I think Leonard won the fight. It was very close but I think Leonard did enough to edge Hagler.

[@team3gaming749]

Mark Whippy Yeah Fury was robbed. Wilder was awarded a draw.

[@jesusaguilar4585]

This brings back memories of my father and I when I was a kid working with him. He would talk to me about fights he'd seen at the LA Forum, the LA Sports Arena, the Olympic Auditorium with my uncles. Ruben Olivarez, Alfonso Zamora, Carlos Zarate, Carlos Palomino, Pipino Cuevas, Salvador Sanchez the entire '70s LA fight scene. The only American fighter he liked and was never critical of was Marvin Hagler. And so every time we were painting, gardening, sweeping boxing was all we'd talk about and when he brought up this fight he would say, "Cabrones se la robaron!". "***** they robbed him!" He always said they robbed Hagler. I think Hagler won but it wasn't the blow out robbery my father made it out to be but that lopsided judge sure does make the robbery seem legit, though.

[@agentchaos3947]

Nice story brother. Nothing like going down memory lane with pops. My dad was an avid boxing fan too and thought Hagler won.

[@dannyburch2122]

Just heard the news that we lost Marvin Halger so sad one of the great ones hopefully you do a tribute to him Rummy R.I.P Champ!

[@Jhnmor]

Leonard was the media Darling and had already won before he walked into the ring.

[@scudger99]

What a load of shite.

[@porkfrog2785]

@@scudger99 having JoJo Guerra as judge meant it was in the bag before it started...118-110 renders Ray's win meaningless, and I'd say the same if the 118-110 went Hagler's way

[@NORWOODShadow]

Not fair to Leonard he fought the right fight.

[@finallevel29]

What a upload! Thank you sir! Hagler won!

[@BXGUY73]

You can't win a fight if one guy lands more punches than the other overall and no one really dominates the fight.

[@dexterbernard2701]

I felt Hagler lost the fight by coming out orthodox. Plus, he gave away the first five rounds which made it basically impossible for him to win.

[@markwhittaker6866]

Exactly!

[@cyril1sm]

absolutely!

[@merino8472]

yep thats what happened

[@theparalexview785]

Yup, and as the Sports Illustrated boxing writer observed, Hagler's head wasn't really in the pre-fight mental game. Uncharacteristically, Hagler was goofing around, looking like he was desperately trying to seem nonchalant, but it came across as forced and awkward. It took him until the middle of the fight to get his usual relentless assault together. By then Leonard was tiring, but had built up a lead and had figured out how to play the spoiler, mostly smothering Hagler's offense and stealing rounds in the final 30 seconds. But in highlight reels it's obvious Leonard lacked a bit of the spring in his step and snap in his punches after round 3, while Hagler never faded until maybe round 12 when he looked like he was at 95%. I've watched this bout at least a dozen times since the night it was fought, and every time I score it within a point -- sometimes for Hagler, sometimes for Leonard -- or a draw. As good as Rummy's highlight reel is, it still compresses time to the point that it underplays how effective Leonard was at thwarting Hagler. It was the kind of strategy that Bernard Hopkins built his entire latter career on, and often worked with the judges, even when fans didn't agree. Overall, though, no question that Hagler was the best champion of his era, a better and more dominant champion than Leonard against one of the strongest middleweight divisions in history, and always came physically prepared. Hagler's only lapses were mental and strategic, sometimes playing it too safe against guys like Antuofermo in their first bout, perhaps against Duran, and in his first losing matches against Willie Monroe (nobody seriously questioned that decision) and Bobbie Watts (controversial). Too many casual fans thought of Hagler as a slugger but he was a very slick boxer/puncher with every skill in the book, and fought smart. Maybe too smart. I have to wonder whether Hagler might have clinched the decision against Leonard by pushing past his comfort zone. But Hagler certainly respected Leonard's punching power and didn't want to be caught off guard by emptying the tank.

[@francishegarty8087]

@@theparalexview785 That's a brilliant post there with some very good insights, and it's nice to hear it from an unbiased view. I'm glad you mentioned Haglers defeats and how controversial they were, he avenged these these losses and it's a pity Leonard never gave him the opportunity to maybe avenge this loss. Ah well, we'll just never know, take care.

[@Slappist_streams]

I was only born in 2001. But this channel is the best boxing channel by far! Just a dude making whatever historical or modern boxing videos that he wants!! Somehow still captures the dramatic feeling of big fights with his tone of voice. I’ve never enjoyed history more. Love you Rummy!

[@tonyaccardo6359]

man I totally identify with u...i was 13 when Hagler fought Leonard and Hagler was my hero...I had the privilege to meet Marvelous at a mutual friend's anniversary where I had a chance to probe his mind..I found it refreshing that he legitimately still had bad feelings towards Leonard and understandably so.. at one point he wanted to show me what Leonard's punches felt like so he told me to hold up my forearm and then slapped it softly and told me that's what it felt like, "pitter patter all night!". I honestly think that Leonard as the Challenger did not do enough to take the fight.

[@younggod3906]

tony Accardo Facts. Hagler was robbed.

[@baseballfinatic8]

tony Accardo that’s so cool that you met Hagler.

[@SPIDERM0OSE]

Great story man ! Hagler was n always will be a bad ass.

[@timothyduzenski1386]

tony Accardo - Hagler was a badass who got outboxed. The simple fact is this (and ask Hagler next time you see him) it wasnt even supposed to be close. Hagler has one of the best knockout percentages. He never ever really hurt Leonard. He could have knocked Leonard out and there would have been no dispute, right? If you leave it in the judges hands anything can happen and it was a close fight. That’s the golden rule. I watched the first Leonard/Hearns and Leonard said that he was losing the fight until he knocked out Hearns. Leonard admitted in the second fight that he lost that fight to Hearns. But he never said that about the Hagler fight. Noticed that there are no rounds that are 8 to 10. So even though Guerra’s card is way too generous for Leonard it’s not like he scored any rounds 8 pts for Hagler. And if Filippo scores one more round for Leonard we got a different scene dont we. Even Rummy disagreed with Filippo on one round. At that time everyone thought Hagler was invincible without weakness.

[@tonyaccardo6359]

Timothy Duzenski during my conversation with Marvelous (Hawaii around 02'), he did say that the Mugabi fight took alot out of him and looking back, he maybe should've ended his career there but nevertheless he fervently believes he, being the aggressor, initiating the fight shouldve won. it hard to see it any other way when you hear it from the horses mouth. lol

[@trashfordisrash59]

Who can dislike rummys content best show KZbin

[@dub718bx]

Sugar Ray's burner account 😂😂🤷‍♂️

[@fightfannerd2078]

@@dub718bx lol stop it

[@SooncreateGod]

I am devastated upon hearing this horrible news. Hagler was always one of my favorite boxers to watch and watching him box was like watching a work of art. He can fight going forward, going backward, and can switch stances. Hagler can box and punch. He was a complete boxer. Hagler will, and always be among the greatest middleweights of ALL TIME and will forever be among boxing's all-time greats. When you hear the great middleweight legends like Robinson, Greb, LaMotta, Ketchel, Burley, Monzon, you will always hear Hagler's name among them legends. Us fans will always appreciate the excitement and discipline that he brought to the sport, inspiring thousands of young boxers to take the sport. Hagler was a class act both in and out of the ring. I take my hat off to this great great legend Marvelous Marvin Hagler and he is truly MARVELOUS. Rest in power Champ!

[@viralbuthow000]

Those first few rounds unorthodox came back to haunt Hagler at fight's end. Besides that, Leonard was step a few seconds quicker and more efficient. Right decision.

[@oj-2258]

Hagler should have never came out orthodox but I still had him winning 115-113. Great video as always 👍👍👍

[@alfonsorojas5523]

He just wasnt used to fightin a track star ,

[@fredfunf3456]

Yep. He threw away those first 2 rounds.

[@a.m.m.4592]

He over thought the fight strategy as well as over trained.

[@kevdean9967]

Don't listen to Gil Clancy's call. Clancy hated Marvelous!!!!

[@smoothALOE]

Joel O I think that was the biggest difference in the fight. He gave away those first three rounds. If he wins two of those three, Guerra’s score card becomes a non-issue.

[@denisdaly1708]

Those fast flurries rarely landed. They either missed, or met Hacker's gloves. There was no power in them. They were just meant to look good.

[@goyonman9655]

Exactly

[@thegreatest2245]

On the legendary nights doc, it was even stated by Leonard himself that he would try and steal as many rounds as he could by throwing flurries at the last 30 seconds of each round. They weren’t necessarily effective, but it did it’s job as eye candy for the judges.

[@rcnelson]

And it worked. Hagler: He never hurt me. Leonard: It was points, man, points! Hagler had the passion, Leonard had the fashion.

[@dyschromotopia]

bolo punch, what a cunt SRL became.

[@raywideman7157]

It is an unfortunate fact, boxing is a part of show business, presentation unfortunately counts almost as much as talent. Ray knew this, he knew he couldn’t hurt Hagler, but he could impress the judges with speed and flash. Perception is reality, and Ray gave the perception that he could hit Hagler at will, flurry him off the ropes, and flurry the last 30 seconds of the round because he knew that flashy speedy moves catch the eye, and it tends to be the stuff you remember. Hagler pressed the fight, Ray ran the entire fight. If hagler had just walked to the center of the ring and stood there and waited for Ray and not chased him, there would have been no fight. It’s irritating to me as a fight fan that judges give points for running. Rather than points for pressing the fight. I do think it was a robbery. Not because what Ray did wasn’t impressive, indeed, Ray had been retired for some time, came out of retirement, no tune up fight, nothing, just jumped right in, no, it was more so because of the obvious sell out of the one judges score card. That guy was bought and paid for. I could see if they gave it to Ray only by a couple of points, an argument could be made either way, but that was just blatant. Hagler has never gotten the respect he deserves

[@trevmoorhouse4243]

Marvin Hagler was champ they took his title and handed it sugar ray Leonard that’s why he vowed never to fight again

[@vadouis-rt3of]

This is why I believe that the champion should fight twice a year, with the #1 contender and it should be 15 rounds, not 12.

[@FoaMKicks]

vadouis I agree, but these fighters now has to quick. The only ones built for 15 are. Floyd, Pacquiao, canelo, ward

[@scudger99]

They just took Hagler's title and gave it to Leonard ? Nothing to do with Leonard facing him for 12 rounds then ?

[@jeffreycurtis9075]

Rummy, not wonder you got 105 000 subscribers. My favorite channel. Thank you for every single episode

[@user-tx3jh5ii6f]

Really enjoyed the format of this video, would love to see more close fights broken down like this. Especially the side by side view of all the scorecards

[@danishskiwarehouse]

I’m sure your father would be very proud of you for the work you put into these videos. As always, great stuff, and thank you

[@leonardevans1441]

Hagler was one of my favorite fighters of all time. I think he will always be ONE of the most underrated GOAT. Having said that, the fight was so close man. I think Hagler edged it as well but it was so close. If there had been a timely rematch I think the Marvelous one would have proven without doubt who the better fighter was. Too bad we didn't and never will get to see that. I like and respect Sugar Ray Leonard but the way he backed out of fighting Hagler years earlier and waited until he believed Marvin was past his prime.... Well it was all tactical genius of course but seems a little unbecoming for a fighter. But all in all they were both Great and Awsome fighters in a Great and Awsome era.

[@kevinmalone3210]

Hagler proved without a doubt he had the better character than Leonard.

[@victorbeauregard524]

Yeah and earlier if he would had fought Hagler it was 15 rounds instead of 12

[@exspiravit6920]

AHH I see...."Leonard was being dishonorable" by waiting for Hag to age? Oh okay. See I thought Leonard had BALLS OF STEEL for fighting the #1 P4P Ko MONSTER while MOVING UP in weight and after a FIVE YEAR LAYOFF and baffling the usually implacable Hagler. Hagler's piston-jab was barely present. Where were his leaping combos punctuated with his always damaging body attack? Everyone cries about Marvin losing this one, which just mystifies me. Not one of them question his lack of attack/ferocity, his coming out deciding to go ORTHODOX (WTF!?!?!?) giving away 3 rounds automatically......etc.....Maybe people should look more at Marvin's performance because it was hardly close to his best work. I wanted Marvin to beat the pretty one, but his whole demeanor and effort just left me dazed. He didn't give his "110%" imo.

[@exspiravit6920]

@@kevinmalone3210 Character? What did anything about that fight prove/disprove anything about Leonard's "character"? Moving up in weight after a 5 yr layoff to face an unbeatable champion? I say Hagler deserved what he got. It's like he thought he was going in against Hamsho again or something. No game plan whatsoever. Ray had a plan and stuck to it.

[@deeznuts8910]

Love it when you make reference and give respect to your Pops. Another great commentary. Thank you, Rummy! P.S. Love all of your animal pics, also.

[@RummysCorner]

Thank you so much! Cheers!

[@therebelmethod1520]

Everytime i watch this fight i score it differently. Most recently i scored it 115 to 113 for the marvelous one. But there is no way it was 118 to 110 for leonard. Or either for the record

[@Elsewhere72]

Nice video. Kudos for recognising and acknowledging your own biases and how it could possibly affect in to your own scoring. Also agree it was a judging nightmare with so many rounds being so close.

[@seanoxton5572]

All judges have preferences and biases. No 3 judges see the EXACT same thing over 12 rounds.

[@kevinbell3700]

'Kudos' just reminded me of an incredible girl I knew a long time ago. Thanks. I also fully agree with your post.

[@johnjamele]

@Mr. Fireman Leonard avoided the rematch by "retiring," only to show up to fight lesser fighters (Donny Lalonde????) later.

[@stephanM5]

This fight should have been declared a draw. The rematch would have been glorious!

[@timothyward2082]

This is Why Fights like this should be 15 Rounds and not 12!

[@bmelvin1234]

Thor Thumb Well it wasn’t about to give my rematch. He knew better.

[@jerrywolfe5369]

Brian Melvin yeah,Leonard would not have done it again.pitty pat punches in flurries in the last 30 seconds of each round.thats not affective punch scoring

[@lokijam]

Jerry Wolfe pitty pat punches? i’m pretty sure ure chin couldn’t take one. plenty of those flurries ended with strong rights that knock Hagglers head back. that ain’t pitty pat.

[@mshklh2099]

Haggler wanted a rematch

[@RitchieRashid]

I love your videos, Rumy. Your commentary about your pops hit home for me. I love you, bro!

[@daveedmunds4609]

I was there, in row 26. During that weekend, I met a girl I knew from way back. We fell in love, and are still together thirty-two years later. It was the best weekend of my life.

[@paulspears715]

awesome, did you sing "I here you Knockin"

[@paulspears715]

Awesome!!

[@paulburns1333]

@@paulspears715 Girl's talk.

[@mdteletom1288]

But you didn't answer the question, who do you think won?

[@vincentrobinson9645]

Dave Edmunds See ? Great things come from great championship fights !!!! Congratulations you two !!!

[@billybob9961]

I thought the marvelous one won the fight

[@JJMcHurt]

Billy Bob Amen 🙏🏻

[@soupp187]

Excellent video! This was the first boxing match that I watched as a child. In fact this was the first thing I ever recorded on a VCR. Like you, I remember watching this fight with my old man and your commentary at the end brought chills. RIP to your father. -New Subscriber

[@romeyrome3274]

Hey man I just wanna say every video u put up I’m watchin ASAP because of your intriguing way of defining the fight! Please make more brother u are awesome! 🙌🏻

[@RealJRoyall]

118-110 in this fight is almost as egregious as that 114-114 card in Mayweather/Canelo.

[@MrReav13]

Castillo beat Mayweather 8-4.

[@brianmcintyre503]

How about 118-110 for canelo ggg 1.

[@psychoticpurse6579]

It's nowhere near as worse. GGG/Canelo 1 and Fury/Wilder were worse decisions

[@DrNDJas]

Not so. Many of these rounds were razor thin close. No one dominated. Listen to Rummy- many rounds could have gone either way. 118-110 is entirely reasonable.

[@drakebudasz8837]

TheTruth Mayweather beat Castillo 7-5 with a broken hand but one card had Mayweather winning 10 rounds to 2 so they had a rematch where Mayweather won 9-3

[@garybampkin2448]

This fight was so fixed in Leonard`s favour it was laughable..I guess they thought Hagler was going to sign for a rematch..I just smiled when he didn`t and retired..I will always respect the Marvelous one for not buying into the circus

[@youtoo2233]

Nah, Hagler would never be involved in some fixed fight.

[@Mistachill]

That comment is so ridiculous it's laughable. It was a close fight and it was close because Hagler decided to give away the first three rounds. If you think Hagler won a close fight, I have no problem with it. Anybody who thinks Leonard won a close fight, there's a lot of justification for it. No way anybody can call the fight fixed because that would mean Hagler participated in the "fix" giving away the first three rounds with his stupidity. I think we all can agree that 118-110 Leonard is crazy but calling the fight fixed is nonsense.

[@miked2075]

Mistachill the more one examines this the more it becomes obvious Leonard did not win. Even his ring strategy was fools gold designed to trick the judges rather than beat his opponent. He danced, had his brother yell thirty signaling thirty seconds left, then flurried meaningless showy love taps on Hagglers gloves that wowed an ignorant crowd. He admitted this was a strategy to steal rounds. It was fools gold.

[@dyschromotopia]

SRL refused the rematch & waited for MH to retire before continuing his career & went on to fix a few more fights thereafter.

[@dyschromotopia]

@Sepher Agon BL had fights?

[@thegent8916]

The Guerra scorecard was, damn near, criminal. There's no way you conclude 118-110 watching this fight. It's indefensible.

[@johndotcue]

First time I've tried to score the fight and I gave it to Sugar. That was like 5 years ago. Now I have it as a draw. But I'm not even sure. My God you're right, this fight is really a nightmare to decide.

[@MrWARHAMMER68]

It only seems difficult because you are still drinking that Sugar Ray cool-aid. The media gave him to you and told you he was great. One day you may begin to think for yourself.

[@camaradiop3731]

@@MrWARHAMMER68 How dare you impugn the magnificent GLORY of Leonard----you should be ashamed of yourself.

[@da324]

Not really, no matter who the champ is, I always give close rounds to the champ, ALWAYS!

[@travish6427]

Hagler won. You can't run the entire fight and steal the title. He never once hurt Hagler.

[@cedriclashar8905]

Don't have to hurt the man just have to land Leonard did that.

[@julianfrost4827]

@@cedriclashar8905 If you land he can't land. They both landed and Leonard destroyed a whole bunch of air and probably ruined Hagler's gloves. If you outpoint the champ barely with no major punches you are supposed to lose everytime.

[@vgr112261]

Travis H why not if you land more punches?

[@uzziahmalak8687]

run ? thats called boxing sir and in a boxing match you don't have to hurt your opponent to win just land more punches than him again this is called BOXING

[@travish6427]

@@cedriclashar8905 If you think this fight was judged fairly you are clueless.

[@KulDeeSak]

Cool story about your pops Rummy. Much respect. Keep up the awesome work homie.

[@saibalbiswas3706]

Excellent video. Thanks for creating this.

[@ronnieray8386]

Love the channel and loved this episode particular. Thank you for going into your love for Hagler and your attempt to be unbiased but also acknowledging how difficult that is. My dad was a huge Ali and Ray Leonard fan. It has always been almost impossible for me to be unbiased in their fights. Sometimes upon watch the reply I can be more even handed in the calling but it is difficult. Thanks again

[@tempestvideos9834]

Was really a draw between two masters with differing styles. Thanks, Rummy.

[@billk8874]

Yep Sir, 114 - 114 I had it.

[@strutherhill]

The phrase 'hollow victory' could have been coined with this fight in mind.

[@hasanx4637]

hollow my butt. this is youtube revisit wishing hype. People know Sugar Ray came back and did just wtf he said he was gonna do. Put them paws on Marvin and take his belts. Yall can't take that away from him. Hagler needed a knockout to win and he couldn't knock Leonard out. RIP to him though. He was a great champion.

[@mikeevans7381]

You're spot on with these videos and I appreciate your work. 👍

[@akingdomservingking9311]

ABSOLUTELY LOVED, ADMIRED AND APPRECIATED YOUR HONESTY AND TRANSPARENCY ABOUT THIS FIGHT Brother. SO MUCH SO THAT I HAD TO SUBSCRIBE TO YOUR CHANNEL. HATS OFF AND BIG SALUTE TO YOU FOR GREAT WORK AND A GREAT STORY ABOUT YOU BECOMING A HONORABLE BOXING FAN ✊🏾👑💯

[@stevebrummett8539]

Even all these years later after I rewatch the fight, I still believe Hagler won. It was close, but in my opinion Hagler lost the political decision

[@vernonleewarren280]

I absolutely agree with you. Someone had a axe to grind

[@waltermoore6855]

He lucky he didn't fight Leonard in his prime because it would've been a short night for Hagler. FACTS 💯💯💯💯💯

[@maxsundram8447]

Walter Moore yeah but hagler wasn’t in his prime either. Leonard did not want to fight hagler when hagler was in his prime

[@paulspears715]

yeah, fuck the Las Vegas douche bags

[@paulspears715]

yeah, Ray was the darling of the idiot press, but Marvin should have stomped his ass

[@johnlaslow3074]

Leonard stole that fight by always rallying in the last seconds of the rounds which impressed the judges. Show won over substance.

[@3fkd]

Big FACTS

[@dyschromotopia]

no one steals a fight, leonard simply did not fight hagler nor could he ever beat him at fighting.

[@billk8874]

I have it 114-114 a draw. But I remember when I watched the fight live I thought Leonard clearly won. I do not think it was so much the flashy things as it was that he was the underdog and he performed better than expected against a favourite champion. This impressed the judges and they had a hard time remaining objective, with that said Hagler did neither win nor landed more nor do more damage. A draw 114-114 is how I scored it today after watching, still I can see how easy it was to get carried away in favour of Leonard at the time because Leonard outperformed expectations.

[@kelvinessel2604]

Kevin Hickin He was point fighting. No way Hagler wins this on points. It wasn't a robbery. Leonard landed more punches and kept running away from Hagler

[@kelvinessel2604]

Bill K SRL landed more. Hagler must have known he needed a knockout to win

[@artshahnazarianesq.6774]

Well done! Your channel is excellent. First time I’m writing to you…to encourage you to continue to produce outstanding work-product!

[@RummysCorner]

Thank you very much!

[@stevenolsen5418]

Keep up the great work rummy, been watching your channel for awhile now...I’m huge boxing fan , but I became a fan in early 90’s, and mid 2000’s kinda lost the love , (didn’t follow as much ) stiil had love , but wasn’t paying attention to the rankings. Last 5 years, I’ve found the love back , and just wanted to thank you , for your hard work and great content ...side note ( your narrating, your voice works great , and your boxing knowledge, is outstanding) I enjoy your videos, plus I love the knowledge I’ve learnt from the past and years I didn’t follow. This is best boxing 🥊 channel ever.

[@chrisgartung1708]

That last judge was on pcp

[@YouAintGotNoTegridyBoi]

More like green cotton.

[@vernonleewarren280]

Agreed

[@JohnSmith-su3ze]

Yeah, Pure Corruption Paid-Off

[@DedicatedSpartan]

LOL

[@ragnarragnarson5184]

I had Hagler winning a close fight, Leonard waited until Hagler was way past his best before he fought him, had they fought 3-4 years early Hagler would of won easily

[@infiad1275]

I don't think Hagler was EVER past his prime! Now Leonard on the other hand....

[@vernonleewarren280]

Truth. Leonard would have been destroyed and forced to retire

[@jasona9]

During Ray's original reign as Welterweight champion and Marvin's reign as Middleweight champion. Ray was offered the opportunity to gain 12 pounds and fight Marvin as a Middleweight. Ray refused, but countered that they fight as Jr. Middleweights. Ray would gain 6 pounds and Marvin would come down 6 pounds. Marvin refused. Ray wasn't a natural middleweight. It is not fair to give him all the blame for he and Marvin not fighting earlier.

[@Tooch24]

Boxing holds a special place in my heart because of my father too. I miss him dearly. I always wish he could have seen this channel. He would have loved it. Like I do. Great stuff Rum

[@edwardhubschman3610]

I remember scoring it for Hagler very close when watching it live 15:50 all those years ago. That said, it’s not possible nor fair to try to score it accurately based on what’s a virtual highlight film. It’s fair to say, as most commenting have, that it was tough to score, extremely close, appropriately not unanimous, and not a robbery. Well done video and honest commentary Rummy!😊

[@marcshredz8094]

What fight was Guerra scoring? Hagler got robbed. He is champ, was the aggressor, landed flusher and more damaging shots

[@flashrabbit9]

The Strength Set Channel he didn’t get robbed don’t be dramatic it’s an extremely close fight with arguments for both sides, a robbery was ggg Canelo 1 or wilder fury or Lewis Holyfield 1 etc

[@psychoticpurse6579]

@@flashrabbit9 yeah it wasn't a robbery by any means but that Jose Guerra card was a joke

[@paulspears715]

pretty boy fooled the stupid Las Vegas judges, all flash,no substance

[@charliebockover]

Hagler fought right handed first two rounds - those could have been 10- 7 rounds ! Hagler is a crying dumbass

[@tswrench]

Leonard was slick, very slick. Hagler was as hardcore as they come. Hagler's constant pressure and bodywork did take a toll on Sugar Ray at times, but Leonard would rally to win at the end of rounds. Hagler, with his head down and driving forward, looked plodding when compared to Leonard's catlike reflexes and fleet-footed movement. Hagler was a particularly susceptible to Leonard's shoeshine flurries. Those flurries may not have phased the intrepid Hagler, but they sure were landing and scoring points with the crowd and the judges. As much as I wanted Hagler to win at the time, Leonard's fight plan proved to be too well-tailored, too well-timed, too flashy, and too good to be denied.

[@tedthomas9038]

Wow, what an interesting comment! Amazing words!

[@tswrench]

Cheers!

[@MadBoy8734]

Another great video Rummy.

[@fherlinn]

This is one of my favorite KZbin shows. Excellent host.

[@andreainzaghi7373]

hagler won for one substancial reason: in professional boxe the attitude is taken into consideration and leonard keept running and escaping for the entire match. You do not win pro just running and dancing. Hagler was right.

[@fightfannerd2078]

thats boxing

[@YouAintGotNoTegridyBoi]

@@fightfannerd2078 not when you don't deal more damage or hit more than your opponent.

[@dyschromotopia]

In Pro boxing, attitude does not score...points are given for punches that land with the scoring part of the glove, if they land, they score & whoever lands the most wins.

[@nimaakhtarkhavari8766]

Well said sir, especially when you're the contender...

[@RebelutionaryMusic]

Ray out BOXED him😂😂

[@sex6cult9revolution]

Who knows? It was close and I would have given it to Hagler but if one thing is for sure: Hagler would have destroyed Leonard in his prime. No contest.

[@vernonleewarren280]

Absolutely!

[@wutang5503]

Guess a 3 year layoff is irrelevant lol sick excuses

[@kelvinessel2604]

sex6cult9revolution Debatable. SRL was one of the best when it came to adapting to his opponents. He could still have won

[@brucegasboxingjazzandmore864]

One of those great fight that needed one more go round. RIP Marvelous Marvin Hagler

[@buzzyfuzzsaw]

The fact that this fight is still being analysed and discussed thirty-plus years later suggests, to me at least, that they were both winners that night. In spite of the judge's score-cards, at the conclusion of the bout, both fighters knew they had represented the sport of boxing like few others before them ever had. That night, in that ring, they shared the rarefied air of epic greatness. Fortunately for fans of the sport, that rare air seemed to predominate the Middleweight Class throughout, what I consider to be, a golden era of boxing.

[@claudiomonreal4822]

Some fights are real hard to score

[@isaiahraby7114]

Thanks for another great video. Great fight, great era, great fighters! I love SRL but Hagler is definitely in my top 3 or 4 favorite fighters. I can watch this fight 100 times and I pick SRL 50 times and Hagler 50 times.

[@Braktooth]

Hagler, definitely. Every time I watch this, it's Hagler's.

[@Ian-1957]

Hagler won both fights. SRL had the fans and media on his side. RIP MR.HAGLER

[@dickiesdocos]

A great honest review, well done.

[@ericspratt3164]

I should remember this as a great fight even though I disagreed with the result. However, Guerra’s card still makes me sick to this day.

[@shawnmichael9503]

Eric Spratt go look up the fight on boxrec.com and you’ll see a ton of well qualified people scored it similarly wide.

[@johncate9541]

No way that was a 118-110 fight. I have no problem with someone who had a close decision for either man. But 118-110? What the hell was he watching?

[@jeremyordaz]

Great video man. I had Leonard eeking out a decision.. however i haven't rewatched this fight in years. My dad had Hagler winning it. He didn't like the pit pat shots from Leonard. Ha

[@todayiwasblessed1512]

Lol, dad knows best! People all around me at the time were swayed by the pitty-pat shots thrown by Leonard, and as much as I still respected him, I just didn't feel he did enough to win the fight.

[@paulspears715]

yeah, pretty boy with the stupid pitty pat punches at the end of each round fooled stupid judges

[@dyschromotopia]

@@todayiwasblessed1512 Pitty patty punches score points

[@ttshiroma]

Today I was Blessed,... I definitely share your sentiment. I felt Leonard fought a great tactical fight with flashy less combination shots. Though they are points the telling and more meaningful shots were from Hagler. He pressed the fight while Leonard utilized crafty footwork to stay out of harms way. I had Hagler easily ahead though many were close rounds!!!

[@johncate9541]

I've watched it several times and I always get a draw if I score it.

[@smartiepancake]

A draw would've required 2 knockdowns - cf Leonard Hearns II

[@Dahaas2003]

Rummy! This has to be one of the best, if not THE best, analysis of this fight I have ever seen. I grew up next town over from Brockton, MA...and recall listening to Sports Huddle on Boston's WEEI radio every Sunday night. A very young Hagler on his way up used to sit in with the three radio hosts and take questions from fans, as well as absorb good natured barbs from the hosts, who had become his friends. This was in 1978-79, roughly. Hagler was so well spoken and decent, you could sense he was something special. We all followed him passionately in Boston...and marvelled at his spartan training camps out on the peak of Cape Cod in wintery Provincetown. Hagler was never going to let ANYONE outwork him. Anyway, all of that is context to my point that your analysis is excellent. All these years I felt Hagler was robbed. I could not see it objectively. Now, with your help, I can. Thank you. Happy Holidays!

[@RummysCorner]

Thank you very much for sharing that story. Happy Holidays to you as well! Cheers!

[@spirgtudsrubec7776]

Hagler was robbed, for one simple reason Leonard gave too little in attack to beat Hagler. Haggler was the aggressor all through the fight and was never in serious trouble. You are right about Leonard fighting the right fight against Hagler, but it was still an all defensive fight from Leonard bar the flurries. The flurries that looked good, but they were still defensive in nature. He never dented Haglers armour. This should have been a Hagler win.

[@PGO_Gaming]

Saw the fight again a couple of months ago on ESPN. Scored it for Hagler 115-113. Yes he was robbed in this fight because you can't have a judge score it 118-110 for Leonard, and basically take Hagler out of the running for the decision. Truly disgraceful scoring in a championship bout. By the way, you have the best channel on KZbin, period.

[@shawnmichael9503]

Black Bull what rounds did Hagler clearly win? I watched it live without sound in 87 and immediately thought Hagler won only the 5th, 9th and maybe 10th. That’s it. I can’t stand you 118-110 morons! Learn how fights are scored before spouting nonsense

[@theelf152]

@@shawnmichael9503 Shawn, when two other judges score is 115 - 113 either way. It means the moron who does not question the 118-110 is the person who does not know anything about boxing.

[@vantheman12welshman66]

Rummy we love you. Great film as ever. For what it’s worth I agree with you on the fight.

[@julla1416]

Great vid and commentary.

[@jimrogers3911]

Watched this match so many times. I sometimes have it a draw or Leonard edging it out by one point. This is an amazing channel 👏.

[@a_bb_a6356]

Marvin Hargler is the greatest middleweight EVER

[@kevinboynton9967]

Sugar Ray Robinson in his prime would have killed Hagler.

[@baseballfinatic8]

A_B B_A *Sugar Ray Robinson is considered the greatest Boxer Pound for Pound who was a middleweight. So that would automatically make him the greatest Middleweight.

[@blackjostar3589]

Kevin Boynton you lost your mind he would have be killed

[@THE.MARQUESS]

I think sugar was very clever as he waited for Hagler to be passed his best and when he made Duran fight within five months after beating sugar because he knew he’ was parting for four months of them

[@jasona9]

Marvellous Martin, Agree! Sugar Ray Leonard has admitted that he knew Roberto Duran was prone to severe weight fluctuations between fights. Ray deliberately offered a LARGE amount of money for an immediate rematch because he knew Roberto wouldn't be prepared. Heck, Why fight 'Montreal' Roberto Duran when you can fight the tired "No Mas" version. Sugar Ray has also admitted that he knew that the John Mugabi fight had taken a lot out of Marvin. Timing is everything. I don't think Leonard would have challenged Hagler in his prime.

[@richardjoy2233]

Great fight analysis and acknowledgement of unconscious bias at the end. Very well done on both counts.

[@JesseSwaney]

Holy shit! The first boxing match you ever watched was Hagler vs. Hearns!? No wonder you went off to eventually make this amazing channel lol.

[@billybob9961]

Great video thank you

[@xandao8754]

Great vídeo man. Following the same line, You could do a vídeo about "Ali vs Norton 3". It would be awesome too. Boxing on fellas🥊🥊🥊

[@omega7722]

Agreed!

[@brianboyle4589]

Ali norton 3 was the biggest robbery in the history of boxing. Even Ali knew he lost.

[@AlanMane]

RIP to your dad, Rummy. My dad also showed me boxing and I try to watch as many fights as I can with him whenever possible.

[@KVSWF]

FANTASTIC video!

[@Verminator4]

Despite how atrocious Guerra's scorecard was I've never really had an issue with the official result. I thought it was an oddly flat performance lacking urgency by Hagler's usual standards, and Leonard's gamesmanship took advantage of that - Hagler played right into his hands. I've never really felt like Hagler deserved the win, and I'm saying that as someone who by and large likes Hagler as a fighter better than Leonard.

[@paulmcbride9139]

I thought that Hagler assumed (like most pundits going in) that Leonard would've run out of gas after a few rounds and he'd have just muscled him. Hagler could have easily won the fight and I think he threw away the first few rounds which cost him on the cards.

[@blackjostar3589]

Paul McBride He the fuck you see it that way when he ran all night but I bet you hate Floyd for doing the same shit now against pac

[@whitedogwebsites4577]

I had it seven rounds to five for Hagler then, and I still do now.

[@hman7236]

I had it a draw

[@rodla2436]

I had sugar wining it

[@robertdeclercq742]

Sorry dude your dead wrong leonard sent mh into retirement cause he could not knock him out like he thought he would!! You hagler fans need a pacifier cause your poor loosers leonard took off 5 yrs and still beat him square and fair my buddy wasent happy hagler loss but at least he is honest and a good sport about it you guys are pathetic

[@nimaakhtarkhavari8766]

After fighting Mugabi, Hagler wasn't the same. That's one of the most brutal fights l've ever seen...

[@billyb8306]

You got it right!!! Hagler lost something against mugabi Hagler was also older then he said he was. Haglers face was so swollen after the mugabi fight. Any way you slice it hagler was old against Sugar Ray. Styles make fights. Hagler won a 15 round split decision against Roberto Duran Hearns KOs Duran in 2. Hagler KOs hearns in 3. Styles

[@Pluto2363]

The Hagler/Mugabi fight was a good one. I thought Mugabi showed a ton of heart. I was always a Hagler fan but I felt bad for Mugabi in that one.

[@JG-rz4st]

Nima Akhtar Khavari it was not a boxing match it was actually brutal nearly hand to hand combat for the whole fight .

[@anslemslove5215]

Hearns KO of Duran in 2 rounds was due to poor training & partying ... not "styles".

[@markwhittaker6866]

Exactly. That's why Leonard decided to fight him then and ONLY THEN. Great fighter Leonard but very smart/slimy (depends on how you see it).

[@brianlee4368]

My wife & I were in attendance @ Caesar's Palace for this fight & I have watched it 10+ times since then; my view then & my view now is that Hagler should have been declared the winner by a 2-3 point margin--I consider that assessment to be generous to Leonard! Leonard was the flashy showman; Hagler was the blue-collar workman. Leonard would presumably steal rounds from Hagler with rapid combinations in the final minute, but in most instances, Hagler had already outworked his opponent for the first two minutes. Hagler was the aggressor throughout & he hurt Leonard.& let's not forget, Hagler was the belt-holder going into the match.

[@ridiculouslyoverpoweredsup4421]

Hagler won the fight but lost the boxing match.

[@b_de_silva]

@El Grando Smokio no thats my score card lol, he means that when they were brawling Marvin was winning but when the were boxing Leonard was

[@edgiebraahhh7280]

El Grando Smokio yes it does. Hagler won the fight but Leonard won the boxing match

[@fredericdarietto9546]

@@edgiebraahhh7280 no it does not,the fight is also a boxing match.it's always boxing. If you win the fight by scoring the most meaningfull blow of the contest,GUESS WHAT?you're also winning the boxing match. This sentence doesn't make any sense.

[@issaal-andaloussi1202]

I understand but Hagler deserve won the fight for me .

[@davonbenson4361]

El Grando Smokio. He’s saying that Leonard landed more punches, while Hagler landed harder punches.

[@irocksup123]

Honestly the only fair outcome would’ve been a draw unfortunately. 118-110 proves that boxing’s corruption has been around forever

[@ShaunbirKlair24]

True, I had it 114-114 but I understand people want a winner. However, I honestly really thought it was a fair draw

[@stefanpigford6891]

irocksup123 LMFAO 😂 😂😂 gahahaga 💝 ♥️

[@waltermoore6855]

118-110 was the only right scorecard

[@billk8874]

I also had it 114 - 114 , a draw. Rummy”s corner gave round 9 to Hagler, I had Leonard, other than that I had the same score for all the other rounds (though rounds 3 and 4 I had them opposite but this does not affect the overall scorecard since the net effect is zero).

[@kingeliii9011]

Looking back at this fight I must say that Leonard fought a smart fight. His superior footwork, instinctive counter punching and keeping Hagler's power at long range. Hagler couldn't really get off like he always did. Saying this, Sugar Ray still didn't do enough to take Hagler's belt. He clearly outsmarted Hagler in this fight, he wasn't reckless like Hearns was against Hagler. Sugar being more of a technician methodically finessed his way to survive against Marvelous Marvin, that's all he needed in order for boxing to monetize his name one more time to bring in the big bucks. Enough said , what happens in Vegas...Should stay in Vegas. In my eyes Hagler didn't lose this fight.

[@JayTheRed602]

The context of the fight is also important. Leonard only wanted to fight him after he felt that Hagler had lost a step.

[@theoddfather8782]

I always thought Leonard waited for Hagler to rust a little, he wouldn’t dare fight him in his prime.

[@makaveli3189]

Leonard wasn’t in his prime either… 😂😂