Running Multiple Trains with No Drivers to Fully Stock the Sawmill in Railroads Online!

Hey everyone and welcome back to more Railroads Online! Today we are back with @DapperEcho trying out a new concept, running trains with no conductors! In this episode we're going to completely stock the saw mill by running two trains at the same time between the industries while just loading and unloading the cargo!
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[@SuperPeter05]

Instead of auto unloading, the Devs could put in a worker you hire at each delivery station. Each delivery he gets X% of what you get for the delivery.

[@imadethischannelsoicouldpo1715]

kAN and dapper literally just reinvented the conveyor belt

[@Alex-pq4vp]

But with trains, it's cooler that way

[@blze0018]

Yeah, but conveyor belts don't spout a bunch of steam or have a high likelihood of catastrophic derailment. Where's the fun in that?

[@kaizbeebz5814]

The invention of the conveyor belt circa about 1925 (new video title)

[@ducewags]

@@blze0018 when a conveyor belt breaks it sends it's self down steam with what load is on the belt. It can make a mess larger then one can think about in seconds. Belt systems don't just snap and stop, gravity takes over on the loaded side. As for the open end on the way down, we now have a high power whip. And that makes for a fun day or week real quick.

[@ducewags]

@@kaizbeebz5814 Todays fun fact. In 1892 Thomas Robbins designed a conveyor belt system for coal and ore to feed the Thomas ore-milling company. It would be a rather fun idea to add to the game for sure.

[@stafftank1156]

you know if kan had ridden the trains parking them at the sawmill for dapper and then jumping off and getting on the next one to ride it back unload and repeat, it may have been slightly more efficient although defs less cool and fun to watch

[@JohnTK]

this is so sick. can't wait for you to do this again but with a double track and 3 betsy's!

[@malice6081]

Oh double tracking so no switches changing and clearing the single track, just flying through empty got back load

[@kenowichtendahl3431]

Or with different industries.

[@Madnessnunky]

As far as the "gravity run" goes, if you had enough cars (like you and Dapper were discussing near the end of the video) to be a nearly constant loop, it would be self-powered if the line was a true loop. There's a Tom Scott video about a mine/quarry that had a ropeway system in place with that function. Essentially, loaded buckets would go down the line towards the processing plant at the bottom of the hill. Empty buckets remained on the cable as well. The loaded buckets were so much heavier that their gravity was enough to pull empty ones back to the top to be reloaded. That would theoretically work here, too, though you'd need some really straight lines to keep things from derailing... (If only there was a rail co capable of that.😝) It also depends on what this engine can handle. It seems simple enough that I'd expect the physics to work, but with Gutless' untimely demise at the hands of physics gremlins, who knows what'd happen if you linked ~300 cars together in a gravity loop... Perhaps someday...

[@libra3655]

When Kan said "I don't have a full loop" I was waiting for him to also mention that he doesn't have the wye yet either lol

[@rapcreeperproductions3269]

If you take a track towards and along the mountain to the north you can go down roughly at 2%. I made most of my map to by a few loops attached to each other.

[@tymon_m]

In today update devs changed production rate. When one product is full, second one’s production is double. So now it’s not necessary to use equal production :) PS. Today I finish with my friend new road to Coal mine. Grades is less than 2.25 degrees :) So right now I can run “70” with 12 to 18 carts depends of products :) Of course with realistic physics.

[@imaginekarma8582]

I saw Dapper’s vid a few hours ago. It was neat watching his pov watching the trains come and go on his end.

[@wilwilke6504]

A gravity/slip-line for dropping cordwood off at the smelter while going to the iron mine would be like printing free money. Granted that'd mean using the Eureka to shuffle cordwood to the sawmill and a porter to just manage the stuff at the smelter. Although if you plan on running the Porters, Eureka, Cooke, C70, and Heisler simultaneously you'll **really** want three people to run the industries. Lumberyard > 5 Cordwood > Eureka --> Sawmill (+2.1% grade) [10 cordwood @ +1.1% (shunting-limit)] Lumberyard > 3 Cordwood > Porter --> Sawmill (2.2% grade) [6 Cordwood @ 1.0%] Smelter > 10 T3 flatcars > Eureka ---> Lumberyard (+3.2% grade) [15 flatcars up a 2.4% grade] From Sawmill: 5 Cordwood --> Smelter (+2.2% grade) /+/ 4 Beams, 4 Lumber, 2 Hopper(+3.5% grade) > **Cooke** --> Iron Mine -Can haul 8 cars of rails from smelter to Freight-depot up 3.6% grade AND 5 Cordwood --> Smelter (+2.2% grade) /+/ 6 Beams, 6 Lumber, 3 Hopper(+3.2% grade) > **Class 70** --> Iron Mine -Can haul 12 cars of rails from smelter to Freight-depot up 3.3% grade ALT (Steep grade / Absolute unit) 6 Cordwood --> Smelter (+3.4% grade) /+/ 6 Beams, 6 Lumber, 3 Hopper (+4.6% grade) > **Class 70 + Cooke** --> Iron Mine -Can haul 12 cars of rails from smelter to Freight-depot up 4.6% grade AND 5 Cordwood --> Smelter (+2.7% grade) /+/ 4 Beams, 4 Lumber, 2 Hopper (+4.3% grade) > **Heisler** --> Iron Mine

[@chasesrailwaylinesrr6447]

I love watching multiple trains go by and a fun fact Trains do actually reverse to stop

[@danknoll8234]

They did that before they had brakes

[@KillinTime2792]

@@danknoll8234 they do that in addition to braking, it's called powerbraking, or braking under power.

[@IndustrialParrot2816]

only with dynamic braking which reverses the electrical flow in Diesel-electric locomotives and regenerative braking in pantograph electric locomotives

[@timothygooding9544]

@@KillinTime2792 probably similar to exhaust braking in trucks too

[@Leatherface123.]

@@timothygooding9544 also known as a Jake brake I believe BRRRRRRRRRRRMPMPM

[@swskitso]

Fun idea but efficiency wise if you ran the trains and dapper only operated to line up for loading he could be constantly loading. After unloading when you return you could give a little brake and let your train coast while you work the switch, if the timing is right dapper can send the loaded train and you can hop on at the switch. Optimal would be 6 cars if you can get the timing right and pull the weight.

[@Disnydude1]

Im impressed with you 2. And yes. Noticing the long stop time. JUST like a REAL train takes to slow down.

[@guillaumedurette640]

I would suggest that you build your first loop lumbercamp - sawmil in parallel with your first line to go there as a addon to your preexisting network. It would allow you to close a loop between the the lumbercamp and the sawmill making express delivery super easy and freeing your main line in this section of at least 50%... I mean you could make many of these loop addons pretty much along most of your main tracks.

[@that-1-guywith-a-name411]

He could use a cross piece to make a figure 8 so he wouldn’t need to bother with switches

[@woodbees2801]

Both halfs could be different lengths to get ideal timing.

[@guillermoelnino]

Wouldn't it be sick if they added a telegraph system in here? although I think this game's time period is before it's time.

[@crazypickles8235]

Telegraphs were in use as early as the 1850s on most railways. By 1890, it was best practice to link any large industry to the telegraph system and for the Era modeled by this game, I imagine telegraphs are probably in the works.

[@guillermoelnino]

@@crazypickles8235 so thata a maybe. I'm just thinking of role playing type stuff. like no boice chat.

[@GSGTBaker]

looks like you need to add a loop so there is no switching needed between the two industries. Then there would be no worries if there is another train on the line

[@staufferranda5844]

Since the loaded cars are heavier than the empty ones, if you had a continuous loop of connected log cars the loaded ones could theoretically use gravity to pull the empty ones up the hill.

[@Bendigo1]

If there was a loop, with a steeper grade going down and a shallower grade going up, it would be possible to make a nearly perpetual motion setup.

[@Shit_I_Missed.]

@@Bendigo1 Did you forget that s steep grade, which would make the cars heavier, has a shorter distance, and smaller number of cars, while the shallower grade has a longer distance and higher number of cars.

[@slymercenary6500]

Just imagine how fast you could do this if they had their own dedicated tracks

[@Pence128]

If you had enough wagons to connect in a loop you wouldn't even need locomotives, the weight of the logs would pull the empty cars back up. The curve at the lumber camp would have to be enormous though.

[@Spook_Boi]

i thought about doing this but i was like "no thats so dumb".....doesnt seem as dumb now tbh....

[@jellybeans3274]

I love how excited you get when the train comes around the corner. haha

[@christheviolaplayer8250]

If you want to do a gravity line from the logging camp to the sawmill you need to head north west out of the logging camp, coming in due west into the sawmill, there's just enough of a height difference, over a short distance to get an eight wagon train to coast the whole way. speaking from experience

[@BadgerBishop]

I think it's time for perfect loops for each step of the industry line.

[@Chase4FreeWiFi]

I watched both Dapper's and kAN's video at the same time. Tried to sync it as best as i could

[@Bendigo1]

It is defficult to keep them in sync because of the lag issue in multiplayer. Kan will say something and a few milliseconds lader it comes through on dapper's side.

[@Hlebuw3k]

i love this series! so relaxing, but at the same time a logistic nightmare, the kind i love

[@spruce6323]

One way to do your gravity idea is to have a large hill at the logging camp set the car brakes to a min amount to prevent a derail, but a max amount to allow it to reach the mill

[@hipzipper1]

Awesome run guys. That looked fun.

[@greybeard5123]

Since you plan to continue this general plan with other routes: 1. Base train size on loading speed. You and Dapper talk about loading 3 or 4 cars at once, but you mean 3-4 without moving the train. At the lumberyard you have two cranes and can load two cars at once. Having 4 cars on one train and 6 on the other would have been faster. Dapper spent almost a third of his time with one crane setting idle. 2. If you send the first train back while Dapper is still loading the second, you can just ride the train and handle "catching" for him. This won't work if you're running three or more trains, but should always work if you are running two trains down a single track. Then you can handle all the switching for him and ride trains both ways.

[@Lcfc4life1]

I always come back and watch this video every once and a while

[@happy06810]

Do you think it's possible to make a chain of cart between 2 location and use gravity only to power it , loading and unloading to change weight distribution and make it turn ?

[@jackdanks1916]

That would be...a conveyor belt

[@3DPDK]

This is closer to reality than the game intends (at this point). In the real world the train company is only there to provide transport of goods. Loading and unloading of those goods would be handled by employees of each industry, basically the way you did it in this video. The most realistic would be with a single engine and three trains of five cars each. The industry yards would have to be designed to operate this way: 1. Drop off 5 empty log cars at the logging camp load out: 2. disconnect and pick up 5 pre loaded log cars and take them to the saw mill. 3. Disconnect from the log cars at the unload platform: Pick up 5 unloaded cars and return to step 1. The industry would need to be able to load or unload across two tracks. or else a shunting engine would have to be stationed at each end, operated by the industry's employees. If you operate this way then as the train operator for your transport company, your only job and responsibility is to operate the train, and you are only financially responsible for the cargo while it is secured to your rail cars. In the real world both loading and unloading would take much longer than the game implies.

[@Deathspark]

People sending unmanned trains would be cool. Setting up passing areas where someone mans. One train arrives, they place on the passing rail, waits for the oncoming train on main line, then the first train gets put back on main line and goes on it's way. That'd be awesome

[@doogiepotter3631]

Never stop playing this game. This is the best game ever

[@professorwho4276]

You guys could do this with the Railroads Online Extended mod, which allows remote control of trains and switches as well as auto saving and a mini map. Could definitely make this much easier and on a larger scale

[@G-Man-kc2nm]

It’s a new game! Perfect! Thanks

[@Transportationspotting]

This is excellent, so cool!

[@devttyUSB0]

I watched this unfold on Dapper's channel, but i am still watching this video again from your perspective for some reason. Haha.

[@phtby1635]

I watched dappers video first and seeing your point of view was very entertaining

[@ducky_y_]

Interesting And kan, could you consider playing Derail Valley with nexus mods, that way you can have a day and night cycle and other interesting content.

[@jeffreyblack666]

Currently the limitation is on the loading. The simple way to make it faster would be more comparable to real life. Dapper sits there loading the train, when ready you then take it down, while Dapper starts to load the next one. While Dapper is there loading, you take the first train down to the logging camp and unload it and then bring it back up. You then help Dapper finish loading the second train and take it back down. Bringing in a third person would make it slighter faster as Dapper wouldn't need to manage the loading of the train. For that, you and a worker each manage 1 train, you assist Dapper with loading that train, then take it down to the sawmill and unload it and bring it up. Dapper stays manning the crane the entire time and wastes no time jumping in the train to move it. This would mean each person is actively doing "something" even if that is babysitting a train. The other way to make it slightly faster is far more ridiculous where you setup an entire loop with the train moving steadily through the loop. One of you is at the top loading the logs and the other unloads it when it comes down. As long as each load makes it onto the train and each load makes it off the train the first time it goes past the sawmill it is as fast as possible, with you limited by the rate of loading.

[@jacobk75]

For some turn around areas you can use the cross piece. Like if you wanted to go let's say east and your driving north. We'll that forms a form of circle and you connect back into the line and keep going. You could possibly use it in some form to turn an engine around but I am not completely sure how it would work.

[@Bendigo1]

Yes you can but it will not work well with trains that are too long, the train will hit it's own cars if it is too long.

[@epicm228]

If you guys ever need a bunch of people, feel free to let me know! ^^

[@awildjared1396]

Efficient and profitable, definitely a good video

[@pvs1681]

This deserves recognition;)

[@robsfishtank]

I noticed that the Sawmill had a progress bar under it's name on the product side. It had a little bit of it green.

[@spaghetti8056]

I can’t wait for the other industries and more iron runs!

[@leviroyer]

Love your videos. By far you are my favorite gaming KZbinr.

[@illercrazy6666]

Definitely want more Shenanigans like this

[@Froggster77]

Love your vids Kan!

[@Mimimo02]

Ur 5th

[@mosaic6225]

the long awaited return of betsy 2

[@Westman0071]

"the same thing but a the Iron mine" Me: "FIX THE RAILS FIRST AND DOUBLE THOSE! So that way you can send 3 Class 70 on each side"

[@jimmypetrock]

kan and dapper both released videos wow cool

[@BluePinkAndWhite]

2:33 right science. Mmmnyeeeeeessssssssssss

[@batelube3241]

Nice video! I like this game, but derail valley is my favorite.

[@alexpym8216]

Duude, u gotta do a gravity line! There so fun!

[@beammeupscott3032]

“This is the coolest thing we’ve ever done!” *looking at just an empty track*

[@farmingthc3256]

This is how I hoped the game could be played. Like satasfactory almost

[@_Ghost.trucker_404_]

This when u need to train tracks running next to each so u can send the one down and the other up and not worry about just sending one at a time

[@roadtrain_]

You could've probably started to build a WYE whilst waiting for trains to come in... :P

[@shedzuppickemupson5966]

Keep it up love the vids

[@creeplickitaOFFICIAL]

ÒwÓ ok third! I take third! I wont fight.

[@Mimimo02]

11th but close enough Ig

[@creeplickitaOFFICIAL]

@@Mimimo02 TwT shush...

[@Mimimo02]

I literally counted it

[@SirLANsalot]

You do know you can load/unload to a firewood depot (far side) at the lumber mill. Just need a car (stake) to load and unload beams/lumber with rather then just wasting them

[@matthewcox7985]

I don't even play this game, and I'm coming up with ideas for the tech tree and in-world scheduled events.

[@jameswickham7533]

Any idea what difficulty Kan will be playing on now? as in HARD mode in the dev notes it says that industries will require double the input?

[@chrisfreeman9993]

I have to see these trains go head on 😆 send both at same time head on but save game first and then you can just reset 👍🏻

[@Th0Y]

You should invite hyce and have him drive between you and dapper

[@markussmith3135]

Why is it every time dapper says right it doesn’t sound like he understands what’s going on 😂😂 poor guy sounds so confused haha

[@captaindonut9075]

At this point the swichmans tower is a must.Edit: its now Railrods Manager online.

[@aaronhill8315]

I hope this comes out soon

[@thescraptheblade]

For the loop as a shortcut for your trains

[@danthiel8623]

Nice 👍

[@CookieGamer-tq7ym]

I love your vids kan

[@danredacted4630]

YEAH TRAINS!

[@dinodude7773]

Nice

[@pradeeppaudel4186]

you can make a loop with two tracks adjacent to each other. so no need to switch the track again and again.

[@skrep359]

Step 2: Someone at the iron mine with a full load of Beams & Planks. Oh and fun fact, if you don't have enough regulator or sand? The person at the sawmill gets a refund.

[@SternLX]

Sitting here wishing you'd share your .sav so I can fix your track at the Sawmill. My OCD I kicking in hard.

[@mattevans4377]

You could do this with Cordwood to the freight depot and make a ton of money.

[@axelthegamer2470]

I saw Dappers perspective earlier today

[@fantasy_Streamer]

hey, I wanted to ask when the winter update ends, if you have that information, that'd be great because it is extremely difficult trying to place track and all that...

[@tiam4152]

So im a model railroader with N scale primarily but will work on any scale/gauge model trains for mysdelf and others.. I just found and purchased an old model of a Heisler w a tender car and am excited waiting for it to get here, then inspecting it to see how much work needs to get done to make it run and what scale it is as it was not said, but pictures had measuring tape next to ti n confident its likely N scale as the locomotive itself is 5 inches long :)

[@tiam4152]

i could be wrong on calling it a Heisler, but i do know it is a geared steam loco for sure!

[@TenderREZ]

I did a T mail in this once lol

[@Yoitscaivaxthemolotovfox]

Imagine having a line for every industry so no trains hit each other

[@Uber_Bog_Turtle]

I watched dappers vid when it came out

[@MarkkuS]

You'd need 3 trains to this make sense, one driving and 2 loading/unloading. With 2 trains its the same as driving them.

[@ydwnshft1817]

I don't know about the actual stops or if it does anymore but the firewood depot used to pay even if it's overfull.

[@madwat7334]

I can't believe I've finally caught up lol

[@teamsycotik]

How can you tell someone has a degree in engineering.... they will tell you.... Learned 6 new tech words in episode with developer. Uses them in every possible sentence since..... jkjkjk love the video's just messing around

[@RanceandDane_muds]

good job w🟩⬛️

[@fs2000]

Now hear me out: A continuous loop of cars that transports goods from a high point A to a low point B and it's powered by gravity.

[@fs2000]

@@tylerowens4036 It'd be using the potential energy of the goods at point A. Systems like this exist irl in the form of ropeways.

[@train_chicken6143]

i saw this on dappers sceen

[@SlendyMctendies]

"It takes so long to slow down" - Has 0 Brake Pressure

[@1mariomaniac]

The Porter and Porter 2 don't use pneumatic brakes, it was braking, just very poorly lol.

[@themidnightbanshee5927]

I named my black Porter Jeff cause I asked my friends for names and they were very much happy So I bought the D&RG class 70 named her Hildegard and wrote Jeff's wife on the tender and that made them feel jealous, proud and completely outclassed

[@daltonham1995]

slowly building the flat line Rail coal empire XDXD

[@ethanlarribeau5959]

straightline rail co the first ever railway to use driverless trains.

[@marxxisshalott2443]

This is where the track ocd pays off. When you get that much effort into all of them its gonna be amazing

[@patrickbliss9264]

Do you think a noob vs pro trailmakers series with scrapman and moonbo would work out ?

[@a.ivlogs2678]

I hope this game gets updated so that u can rc the locos that would so cool

[@Bendigo1]

Because they had RC Locomotives in the 1800's..... :) Thia video shows the type of remote control that the game is going to have...

[@JTelli786]

Any chance we could see a double header train one day? Or does Raidroads Online not allow this?

[@croom1278]

The game does allow to double head but kAN has not done it yet in any of his videos

[@ValentineC137]

@@croom1278 he technically has in the "Buying and Testing the Eureka Train Engine in Railroads Online!" video at 25:20 when they had to assist the Eureka