Running Identical Trains in Opposite Directions to See Which Route is Fastest!

Hey everyone back with Railroads Online! Today Hyce and I are racing identical trains along 2 different routes to see which route is fastest!
Make sure to check out Hyce's channel: / @hyce777
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[@bobtheslob0907]

"Hey nice vid I watched the whole thing"-Kan

[@mohnishgehlot5377]

I'd be fun to see this race with more load and in the way time trials are done (only one person does the run at one time) to kind of emulate how you would operate in standard conditions

[@flamepanda9947]

Yes and so someone can line the switch at each switchback!

[@SapioiT]

@@flamepanda9947 Or at least have one helper who can teleport to the switches on one side, or at least extend the switchback resting track going up a 10% grade, so your timing doesn't need to be as good, in order for the train to turn back.

[@xcessiveness3395]

You should ask Hyce how a fireless steam engine works

[@tomstratman9977]

The Swiss be like

[@CyberSpork]

I asked about electric steam engines last week!

[@Mhusky_]

never heard of a "fireless" steam engine what do they do put a fish tank heater in the boiller

[@Yorie1234]

​​@@Mhusky_no, they don't have a boiler, but a steam or compressed air reservoir instead. They were/are mainly used in places where a normal engine would be a fire hazard, like an ammunition storage facility

[@adammullarkey4996]

@@Yorie1234 The London Underground originally intended to use a different type of fireless steam engines, to prevent smoke problems in the tunnels. Basically, they had ceramic bricks that were preheated and then loaded into a normal firebox. They only built one experimental design, and it was unsuccessful because the boiler feed pumps jammed and there was no way to dump the fire bricks, so it nearly exploded. Also, apparently it "was a fine, sturdy creation, but the trouble was that her boiler not only refrained from producing smoke, it produced very little steam either."

[@nine_lives5597]

in the fast and furious movie where he goes backwards he pulls the vacuum tube off the waste gate control for the turbos. The waste gate opens when the boost pressure reaches a certain height so it cant build too much pressure and risk breaking the engine. Increased boost = increased psi in the combustion chamber = more fast. And apparently the transmission was a tractor transmission so it had matching reverse gears and could maintain the same rpm in reverse

[@SapioiT]

For the back of the stops at the switchback, you could gradually raise the back up to a 10% in like 50 ft, so (1) you have more space, and (2) you don't need such a tight timing for the switch, since gravity would help the train after you get off of it.

[@kabato48]

I have a pretty flat coal route that runs around most of the map (a lot of it on a double mainline). With a loaded 30 car coal train it takes me around 40 to 45 minutes to make the trip. I have a few switch backs over the mountain running at a 6% grade. It's more fun to operate but takes much longer despite the distance due to having to run smaller trains up the grade.

[@lukemendel8197]

Ask Hyce about the welsh slate inclines, which used large winches powered by gravity or steam, to move loaded trucks down a steep incline and empty ones up. This would be cool, if inaccurate, for Railroads Online.

[@N0V-A42]

I want to see a rematch with two people per train as that should speed up your time and the rematch load should max out the switchback route. With this small of a load the 10% is better and I what to see at what point does the load make the switchback better.

[@lukefrost1189]

Kan, if you made each of the switch backs longer then you wouldn't need to have as many switches. I know you probably don't want to do this after spending so much time making it as it is, but if you did you could probably make it up the hill with only 4 switches which would be a lot faster.

[@tylerhallman566]

I am honestly super happy to hear someone mention the movie Red Line! It is so under--rated and has some amazing animation in it.

[@Taladar2003]

Making that movie in RL might be a bit tricky but maybe you could collab with Corridor Crew to get a CGI version of that, sounds like the kind of thing they might be into.

[@PennsyPappas]

I can absolutely see how tedious the switch back would get after awhile. However that being said you get the climax and another engine double heading a stupidly long train on that switch back and in theory in the long run would make more money in less time. Though Hyce's sanity will be forever lost so there is that.

[@PennsyPappas]

@@techno1561 This is true I mean to work for the ES&D is to give up all hopes of logic and reason entirely.

[@ryanmagness]

"you owe me a 10 second train" -Vin Coal

[@redbeard716]

Yaaaayyyy!!! Hyce mentioned Lima when talking about the Shea!! (I live in Lima, OH)

[@smashadow2509]

Great video kan totally watch the hole thing

[@MrLarsgren]

kan a question for hyce. is there any places where they used banked turns ? i could see it be an advantage on fast routes

[@lunlunnnnn]

Most places in my country (Switzerland) have banked turns, sometimes my train has to stop in the middle of a turn right in front of the station because it has to wait for another train to leave and it always feels really weird since the whole train is leaning to the side.

[@timgeren2825]

i had to come down here to mention, respectfully, Brian does not kick the floorboard out the car in the first FAF movie, he hits a jump and it falls out afterward

[@libra3655]

Next, what I'd like to see is: Both trains start at the Lumber yard Train on the switchback MUST come to a complete stop before throwing the switch and continuing Train taking the iron mine route must tie down their train first, park the engine, and switch to the Climax as an interchange and continue the journey.

[@makoshark40]

when a train is to destroyed to tow anywhere they whip out the torches and cut it in small enough parts to load onto another bucket train cart... if the rails are to damaged they hopefully can get some CDL sized truck to where its at but then it has to be cut up even smaller. if that's not possible its pickup trucks atvs or if deemed to crashed in a spot that doesn't interfere with transit or nature due to pollution they will leave the wreckage but this is exceptionally rare of a scenario and i think has only happened 1-2 times in history and it was during steam engine days new trains are to pollutant to just leave in nature unless its just a cart that its pulling. but nowadays regardless at least the engine and carts for the engines have to be removed no matter what. also nowadays its rare for tracks to just be in the middle of nowhere there's usually roads close nowadays

[@kelvinelrick807]

That was much closer than I thought.

[@SwordlordRoy]

"That's like me patenting a car with 3 wheels, no one wants this!" I don't know, there are some pretty iconic-looking 3-wheel cars, like the BMW Isetta.

[@syeblaize]

21:00 you know, this happens in Appare Ranman. It was a steam car, not a train, though. Also, shout out to the best racing movie of all time, Redline.

[@Scag1522]

I've got a question you should ask Hyce: What is the most flexible type of steam locomotive? (Which can go around the sharpest curves)

[@michaelblum4968]

I bet it's some tiny industrial or plantation 0-4-0.

[@electrifiedgamer1322]

Day IDK: asking you to ask Hyce about that time all the engines got stuck on a mountain.

[@kenanjones3481]

I just watched that episode of 3/4 of an idiot and it was absolutely hilarious

[@oaksap4]

You should ask Hyce about the Tweetsie railroad, hurricane Hazel and the WW2 Alaskan train fires 🔥 Eat Taters and Wear No Clothes (ET&WNC) Edit: This was a series of unfortunate events that all happened to two trains.

[@greyghost9783]

Hey let Hyce know I work in a lumber yard in Ontario (we supply the home hardwares and other stores) we use our Hyster forklifts to kick up to 3 box or lumber cars at one time after off loading

[@OriginalPiMan]

The movie you want to make would probably be easiest if you just did a movie adaptation of 'Densha de D' Multi-track drifting!

[@RobertJackson-vc9rk]

Also the CASS scenic railroad does use Shay's, Climax's, 2-8-0's and one Heisler, but it does not use switchbacks that I'm aware of.

[@oriontherealironman]

Dude Hyce has watched Redline. Awesome 🤣

[@NeonNijahn]

It's the worst when you "goof up with the climax" for sure.

[@spruce6323]

Unfair start up, Kan should have started at the Hump yard, and Hyce should have started where he did. Hyce had less travel to his method while Kan had to go for miles.

[@jonathanmacdonald9609]

It was 5 extra minutes for kAN, give or take 15 seconds

[@spruce6323]

@@jonathanmacdonald9609 Kan on top of travel time had a long hill climb. I say it needs a redo using the same engine for both no helpers if they start at the same place.

[@militarynerdsnek7639]

25:23 that scream

[@curtiswalker4022]

I used to have an old car like that. When you go uphill you gain gas!

[@ironhorsethrottlemaster5202]

The guy who invented the Shay was named Ephraim Shay there's a cool video on a channel called train of thought about the Shay

[@complexcanvas3825]

Kan you should ask hice about the glory that is the Fairlie

[@ulrichkalber9039]

can the switchback be replaced with a set of curves like they do it in switzerland? Just prolonging track length by adding circles until the slope is flat enough?

[@maxdenor1459]

When they talked about train racing i was like: Fast and furious: full steam ahead

[@mikelenz1990]

I was watching your video, and his video simultaneously catheters playing the video and the 27:15 mark Anna saw in comparison to head from his years of when you made the comment that he did the difference between his first re-rail, which was like he probably see about 50 feet compared to the other one which is more than halfway down the hill. Oh, skipping the call, Mine turn for the other re-rail if we’re going to be technical about the facts of the race so I’m assuming U2 are going to rewatch each other‘s videos later but I figured I’d let you know.

[@seasuper3402]

Was watching Hyce's vid until he was on his way back so I can see both POVs whilst keeping the suspense

[@roccov3614]

Hyce has to double the hill for this to be an informative test. As to putting the helper away, given that you guys normally play together, one would be putting the helper away while the other continues driving the train. Therefore the time putting away the helper shouldn't really be counted.

[@eddielowe8189]

You need to see Hyce's video, he left that switch at the coal mine to slow you down then threw the engine down to the helper station to save time. You started at a disadvantage to hyce in terms of how far you and he was to the climbs.

[@Soken50]

I would have named the movie "Need for Steam"

[@TheCatAliasTNT2k]

You would have won if Hyce would not have cheated downhill (he skipped like 2-3 minutes of driving) if you have started at the lumber mill (Hyce's route was considerable shorter, because he did not need to go back to the freight depo all the way)

[@jonathanmacdonald9609]

It was 5 minutes for kAN to get from the smelter to the lumber yard, so his route could've been a lot faster than it was

[@TheCatAliasTNT2k]

@@jonathanmacdonald9609 I have not looked at the actual times, this was just my estimation ;D

[@Alex_1A]

I got a Hyce question, what happens when a derailment results in small fire that heats a tanker? Would they open the tanker and burn the contents to relieve pressure if it's something like vinyl chloride? Follow-up, does he know about the East Palestine Ohio derailment?

[@chasenelson5586]

Loved hyces reaction the the twitch akc last episode. But what are the odds of a redesign the switchback or deleting it for a more appealing track layout? Because I'll admit its funny but also hurts the eyes for that funnyness.

[@Marten_Zeug]

9:20 Google Notes is pretty good for that!

[@wowarchershirou]

Dont go to hollywood hyce and kan... Go to bollywood XD theyll do it serious and fun with 0 Fs given for physics. Ive seen people hold each other by linking arms with shields on their backs.. Get lauched via catapult.. Spinning through the air.shields protecting from arrows.. And smash onto a castle top throwing enemies and unroll into perfect formation like its nothing XD. Oh and by catapults i mean ropes and a couple palm trees lmao

[@seanmcintyre4990]

I'd like to see a round trip from the lumber yard/smelter to the hump yard.

[@jonathanmacdonald9609]

It took 5 full minutes for him to get to the lumber yard, so if he started there it would make the switch route substantially better.

[@seanmcintyre4990]

Then the switchback route would have to run it twice though. Plus the return of the helper would be factored into the run time.

[@jaredlogerfo5081]

Is there any reason to not have two routes to the same production? its worth having two ways up to allow resources move in more than one direction (up/down 10% or up/down 2%). Another little production puzzle to figure out.

[@leechowning8728]

Yes, I am going to go see exactly what it was that made him scream... but the only reason for switchbacks is loads where you would otherwise need 5 engines, or several trips,

[@mihalydozsa2254]

For clear comparison I would start both at the bottom of the hill. Because the argument was if you would put there a 10% track instead of the switchback it would be faster. Maybe put there a temporary track. But I now this "argument" is not that important :-D

[@jaunusender6166]

I feel like if he'd actually been on the rails the whole time, you'd have tied.

[@ILEFTCAPS0N]

Can't wait for Too Train Too Furious: Colorado Drift starring Dwayne Diesel "The Rock" Vin Johnsonson.

[@Loco_RailFan]

Hi kan are you ready for coal fired trains in railroads online sometime this month?

[@codylemme4154]

23:04 santa is that you?

[@BotherRed]

You need to do this with the same locomotive so that it is *only* the difference of which route. Having a helper for the 10% is okay, but both road locomotives should be the same one.

[@JakubVymetal]

though on the switchback you would be able to double the load if not more than on the 10%, the race should be how much cargo can either rute deliver in the same amount of time

[@GOLDFOX2001]

I have a question for you kan what made you wanna start playing railroads online?

[@evil_me]

Sad to hear that the railroad Olympics were canceled

[@sumplais]

wha?

[@skyeplays1772]

question for Hyce: does Hyce have a chuff bpm to km/h chart for every train or does he memorize it for every train

[@ferky123]

I would say for the drill track to make it go uphill so that way you have help stopping and starting.

[@michaelstace594]

Here's a question for hyce. What defines a whistle stop town? I assume it's something from the railroad era.

[@askl8er]

Ask hyce about boiler explosions. Also go ahead and look at pictures of boiler explosions on trains.

[@ulrichkalber9039]

train whistles should be tunable, so you could play music with multiple locomotions.

[@malcolmmackenzie9202]

If you do it again with longer trains just time it going each way separately so you can have someone at the back to do switches for you. Then one person can drive the helper too. That would make it more fair and you wouldn't need to buy that many more cars because you can have them all on one train.

[@Blaster_Unity_UB]

Cool

[@streetrypper9961]

Can you please ask this to Hyce in your next Railroads Online! video: I am a computer info systems major persuing a career as a freight and passenger train engineer, what should be my starting position before working my way to becoming an engineer?

[@blazeking5544]

Not a movie, but a steam train racing animation exist here on KZbin.

[@pascal2085]

The switchback would make sense for longer trains

[@ivettvelazquez3853]

1:22 TahoBro sings

[@SideStep03]

Gotta ask him about the some of the Penn Central and New York RR funny locomotives

[@Dallen9]

I think you should fix the switch back into a straight run you got the room to make it happen.

[@glassdragon5215]

You could just stick a full hooper on the back for testing

[@absolutelyrandomful]

wow this came out fast

[@absolutelyrandomful]

train fast in the furious 2: back on track has my dying

[@N00dleMeister]

So the switchback is only faster if the train is heavy enough that you have to double the 10%, but Hyce still wins if the amount of helpers increase. Remember, you can fit 4 gear engines in the shed at the helper station, that will pull a pretty substantial train up the 10%. Either way, I'm team 10% all the way 😉 And I'll repost my questions from the last time I asked them, just make sure to write them down this time 😉 - Ask Hyce about the Double Fairlies and why they were so great. - Ask about Cab-forward steam locomotives and why they were also great. - Ask what he knows about the crash at Crush, Texas, and if something similar was ever done on the D&RG. Love the content as always! Also for some whacky steam racing, look up the animation "Steam Speed" on youtube 😉

[@norsedude]

You should try and ask hyce if he knows about the listowel and ballybunion steam monorail

[@RobertJackson-vc9rk]

the title says Identical trains, technically they are not identical, Hyce runs the Glenbrook, while KAN runs the class 48 and not only that, Hyce has to add the climax to his train during the race just to make it up the 10% grade. If they really wanted to see which route is best then run 2 class 48's and see, because in a way adding the climax to the Glenbrook just to make the 10% grade is cheating. If it was up to me, I would use 2 class 48's with identical loads, that way they will really be identical trains.

[@kaydickinson3900]

Bro you should ask Hyce about his whistle

[@jefa3524]

Should do X amount of cars. That way its a true test. So kAN would have 1 trip, while Hyce has to do more than 1. See the true way on what way is faster for more cars.

[@randomusernameCallin]

Alright time for a 10 grad switch back

[@ihavenoidea5074]

You should ask hyce if he knows of the omega 4-8-8-4

[@Samueras]

I think this didn't make sense how you didn't it. For the switchback to make any sense you should have a load close to the weightlimit for the 2 % The asvantage is that you can do bigger loads. When you do it with a load you can do on 10% anyway there is no advantage ofcourse.

[@Tbolt881]

Hyce didn't turn the Glenbrook around. Team switchback wins on a technicality.

[@mikelenz1990]

Personally, U 2 could try doing it with 18 cars a piece, and I probably would still be a stalemate in terms of time kan gaming but that’s just a theory

[@roboboy9072]

ask Hyce about if he has seen the movie Jim Knopf

[@wolf3515]

Can you ask hyce if he ever heard of fish in tenders to clean them?

[@okrdrake4196]

Hey kan you should get RROx on it’s a new world and you can go back to this one

[@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks]

That movie idea is just stupid enough to work.

[@BadgerBishop]

Gotta be same train, max load and the switch backs should be elongated to allow no doubling. Why else even do a challenge?

[@kashton-pb7pc]

What's the best steam engine and what is both of yalls most favorite out of all steam engines.

[@jessehorn144]

Please redo this from sawmill, and you each get a friend to help make this as fair as possible

[@stormrider2156]

could you ask hyce about the chesapeake and ohio class m1

[@0megaming]

Hyce cheated XD He rerailed the helper twice a step lower on the bridges back, watch his footage XD Switchbacks won ^^ Also a question for Hyce: What was the highest amount of railcars pulled by one train on the narrwogage?

[@U_Geek]

This is not at all fair, Hyce went in a straight line Kan went on a world tour before he reached the switch back. And also why would you take beams back to the smelter.

[@QuinnBarnett]

could you do all of us a favor amd ask Hyce about the Tom Thumb (locomotive)

[@Marten_Zeug]

21:20 A little bit of german there...

[@ELDRGW]

All hale switchbacks .

[@YurtFerguson]

Unstoppable 2 electric boogaloo

[@CodeWeaver]

Team Switchback!

[@banannaitup8335]

Kan did you know that you can walk on top of the saw mill pond

[@jonathanmacdonald9609]

In my experience you just walk into the water

[@banannaitup8335]

@@jonathanmacdonald9609 I think they changed It cause when I played today I could walk on top of the water