Running out of runway! | Emirates Flight 407

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[@KenFullman]

Maybe it's just me but, I'd have thought, if the plane is refusing to go airborn and it's already past V1, pushing the throttles forward should have been one of the first things to do, not the last.

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[@-Timur1214]

Damn the resolution in this video is by far the best I saw so far from all the aviation youtube channels 👍

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[@PerfectZeroMusic_]

Honestly, regardless of how the accident was caused, it's always nice having changes being made from incidents that didn't have casualties

[@chriswysocki8816]

what an idiotic feature on this plane. Enter the wrong sum of fat people and you get to crash the plane. There should be an automatic overide by the plane's computer, when it the pilot still pushes the throttle and the plane isn't rising.

[@Hazza4257]

​@@chriswysocki8816 What feature?? As in takeoff calculations? They're a basic part of every single aircraft operation ever. Every student pilot learns how to do them. Yes, if you put the wrong input into a calculation it gives you the wrong output. As the video explains, there were several redundancies that should've led the crew to catch their error. What fucking automatic override did you have in mind? Should they install an electronic scale system into every seat at a cost of millions to prevent an incident like this? An incident that has literally occurred once - hence why there are hundreds of youtube videos about it. Passengers are just one part of the takeoff weight consideration - you could just as easily mistype the weight of fuel, the weight of baggage. The automatic override you suggested doesn't make any sense. As the video explains if you actually watch it, the whole point of V1 is that it's the point after which you CANNOT cancel the takeoff because there won't be enough runway to stop. In this case, given the V1 speed was based on a lighter weight, it probably would've been too late to stop even if they realised and aborted takeoff BEFORE V1. Vr (rotate speed, IE takeoff speed) is almost always after V1 - so by the time the plane "realises" that the pilot is trying to takeoff and is unable to, it's obviously too late to abort the takeoff anyway. The plane doesn't know its own weight, it only knows what the pilots type in - so there would be no way to design a safety system that realises oh, I'm accelerating really slowly considering how light I am. In the end, you can't remove all human involvement in flying a plane. Human error is a factor in the vast majority accidents, and that's why there is a lot of research and thinking dedicated to how the human pilot works and what their limitations are. As part of my commercial license I had to take a whole exam just on "human factors."

[@erich930]

@@chriswysocki8816 You'd think if such a feature would work, they would have implemented it already

[@markmilan8365]

@@Hazza4257 The baggage is already weighted, it should be possible even with the passengers without great and inconvenient costs maybe while the passengers walk through the gate, nothing really special. And the tickets should also depend on the weight of the passengers, Odd that a guy of 60 kilos have to pay the same of one of 150. We will go there for sure, just a question of time, starting from the low companies.

[@hannahp1108]

@@chriswysocki8816 What does this have to do with fat people?

[@schootzmootz]

I can imagine the relief and sheer gratitude of the passengers when they finally got off that plane.

[@kenlee-97]

They would have clapped their hands for sure...

[@schootzmootz]

@@kenlee-97 As an avid clapper, I can tell you clapping would be the last thing on my mind 😂 I'd be sprinting to the exit the second that gear touched the ground 😂

[@Itried20takennames]

So true….other flights had close calls, landed, but then showed passengers dragging their carryons luggage down the inflatable slides and walking away with them, as the plane smoked behind them and there were fatalities. At least 2 examples of emergency landings have video showing many passengers immediately blocking aisles to go thru overhead bins and grab their luggage.

[@User_92020]

I was a passenger on this flight and I had a blast!

[@matafiyd]

​@@schootzmootz gotta clean up after that deal

[@CubyDoesStuff]

Average A340 takeoff Edit: The -200 and -300 models were more 'underpowered' due to the program in the early stages relying on the more powerful IAE superfan which was axed, having to use an adapted version of the CFM56. Later variants like the -500 in the video got more appropriate engines.

[@ederss7]

This model isn't underpowered like the -300. Actually, it's a beast.

[@EdOeuna]

They use the curve of the earth to aid take off.

[@O_79]

😂😂😂

[@themeantuber]

​@@EdOeuna😂😂😂😂😂

[@oliverqueen5883]

@@EdOeunaGenius comment lad 😂😂

[@vaclavholek4497]

One of the damning aspects of the lack of double checks, not mentioned, was the fact that the they pushed back 7 minutes ahead of schedule. There was sufficient time for the Augmenting Captain to double check the takeoff calculations.

[@MrBsbotto]

Great point, vaclav! I was waiting for someone to point that out!

[@Bren39]

Sure - but complacency and laziness kicks in more often than you think.

[@MaikyMoto]

Laziness is a helluva drug

[@SolidAvenger1290]

I agree. Sometimes, it's either laziness (in combination with) the need to be somewhere per the airline's policies (overtime - Ex, the KLM captain of the Tenerife disaster, etc.) to meet a deadline, or, on another rare occasion, an ego trip by the primary crew to not be questioned by others. When it comes to psychology, it's easier to skip many checks because flight crews have grown so accustomed to how aircraft have so many reductant systems in aviation/ aircraft safeguards that it's more likely an unseen error will occur. However, like Swiss cheese, something will still likely go wrong through all those gaps unless they still cover all their bases, no matter how experienced the flight crew is.

[@splashmoment]

They did mention that

[@thebasicnurse]

I joined Emirates right before this happened so I had friends and colleagues on that plane. The stories they told us about what happened was very interesting. They became very strict with reducing cockpit traffic before take off and times you could contact the cockpit

[@kenlee-97]

Also- i can imagine -Arabs are very friendly people -and can be quite talkative sometimes...

[@blackmamba9950]

​@@kenlee-97I could find some articles suggesting that the captain was European. A good percentage of arab airlines are flown by americans or Europeans, I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of pilots were non Arabs

[@pardisgronette4556]

@@kenlee-97yaay the racist comment I was looking for

[@Bren39]

@@pardisgronette4556 There are very few Arab pilots - and ALL of the few are connected. Get it?

[@yondergirl83]

Former EK crew, worked many years in first class. I never disturbed the flights deck in this phase of the flight and Emirates is very strict and very professional. I never seen people just going to flight deck in this period, only ground staff with loading sheet or engineers.

[@rilmar2137]

I love the structure of your narration - it makes it very easy to visualize the holes in each layer of the Swiss cheese

[@GreenDotAviation]

That’s what I’m going for! Thanks so much 🙌

[@avn33__44]

YES - Propionibacterium shermanii

[@F_Tim1961]

@@GreenDotAviation after this happened Emirates quarantined all the staff in Melbourne . Investigators flew out from Dubai. Once it was estab what happened earlier prepared resignation letters ere put in front of FO and captain and the had to sign . POssibly they were threatened with legal action in Dubai if they did not. The tail scrape was repaired and ac went back into service and was sold quite soon after. The pilot was a white south African male I recall. I was in Melbourne and on the edges of aviation at that time - sailplane flying.

[@tomstravels520]

There was another opportunity to check for the incorrect weight. And it’s even your name. The pilots should have checked the Green Dot speed on the FMGC should have matched the Green Dot speed on the EFB as they are proportional to the takeoff weight. If they had spotted the speed difference then it would have given them a hint the weight was incorrect

[@GreenDotAviation]

Absolutely, the green dot speed was 40 knots lower than it should have been

[@tobiletsplay]

Lmaoo😂😂😂

[@eknowledge7309]

@@GreenDotAviation I have a question. Why did not takeoff config warning sound in the cockpit?

[@transairhungary]

​@@eknowledge7309I think because they configured the plane correctly according to what they entered into the FMC but I might be wrong

[@parker02311]

@@eknowledge7309I believe this is because the old MCDU software was unable to determine there was an issue because it trusted the pilots input and didn’t run its own calculations on it.

[@LUOLMO]

Its an actual miracle that they didnt crash, that was so close holy crap

[@benitomussolinki7155]

POYO

[@tylerjerabek5204]

Due to the actual skill of the flight crew

[@jillengel4124]

Your video production and narration are second to none. You feel like you’re in the cockpit when Green Dot narrates the story.

[@GreenDotAviation]

That's our goal! 🙏

[@briank10101]

I can tell you're Irish and probably from the Dublin area or thereabouts.

[@ektrolleyboy]

The two operating pilots were fired for not following S.O.P’s. The augmenting Captain (John) was demoted for a few years. And the cabin crew carried on as before. The crew reported a huge bang and scraping and just a lot of cabin noise upon take-off. They were very scared! A similar incident happened in Jo’Burg not long after this, with an EK A340-300. Smashing the lights at the end of the runway. Quite a lot of cockpit S.O.P’s for cabin crew were implemented on the back of this. But only really have effect once the last door is closed. This flight departed at night. After 5 days away from base. One of the last flights out from MEL. All crew are weary and have spent the week together, creating a relaxed and fun atmosphere. They should have slept all day, but rarely did that happen.

[@patpat5135]

Do you know what happened to the aircraft?

[@ektrolleyboy]

@@patpat5135 Repaired and went back to service. The rear bulkhead had work around the tail strike. It was pierced. The crew rest compartment “CRC” was above the damaged area below the cabin, in the cargo portion.

[@patpat5135]

@@ektrolleyboy thank you very much

[@kashfiqbal]

Let's be real it's a miracle the a340-300 gets off the ground at all

[@arvindkaraimangat4585]

The Johannesburg incident happened in 2004, EK407 happened in 2009

[@DisasterBreakdown]

I always loved the A340. So sad they are being retired now. I remember being in Heathrow one time and a massive Virgin A340-600 emerged into view from the terminal and I was just in awe of how loooooooong it was. Amazing plane, I loved how it needed a camera for taxiing around tight bends.

[@GreenDotAviation]

100% I’m going to miss 4-engined planes in general. Swiss and Lufthansa still have a few A340’s at least!

[@phugoid]

@@GreenDotAviation The A346-Neo just made its inaugural test flight a couple of days ago with Air Canada livery; therefore, there still is hope :)

[@stormix5755]

Hi DB, could you confirm something Green Dot said in the video? Why was the plane in a situation where the maximum landing weight of 243 tons meant they could only carry a small amount of fuel. Shouldn’t planes have fuel for several go around attempts and alternate airports. Is it Emirates fault for overloading the plane, a quirk of the route they were on, or is the weight situation of the A340 that precarious by design?

[@jennymurphy9727]

I also love the a340

[@jennymurphy9727]

@DisasterBreakdown i love your channel

[@PauperJ]

It's always a joy to watch a Green Dot Aviation production.

[@garrettgsf8849]

Hard agree! What I prefer over other disaster breakdowns (which have merits of their own) is that these cases are told as a *story*. As a viewer, you feel like you are a passenger on the plane, often not even being aware what exactly the problem was or is until the end. This makes them so appealing to me at least!

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Mentour Pilot and Green Dot are the standout channels.

[@Falkirion]

This one always sticks with me. I'm a Melbourne local and this flight was one i always looked forward to seeing depart when i was spotting as it capped off the international departures before they slowed for the rest of the night

[@Driver6M]

I love the attention to detail on this channel. The aircraft used on the apron at Tullamarine airport is exactly what you would see when visiting in real life, such as the FIJI 787 sitting at the international gate and the line of Qantas 737s sitting lined up around the northern terminal.

[@GreenDotAviation]

That’s what we’re going for!

[@brettdemauna9994]

Does Fiji has B787.?

[@Driver6M]

@@brettdemauna9994 Opps. You're right! I just checked and FIJI airlines doesn't have any 787s. It's my mistake. It's an A330 and the planes registration (DJ-FJT) is actually correct so that is good attention to detail. The last time I visited Melbourne airport I noticed a FIJI airlines airliner sitting at a gate position similar to the one in the video, it was several hundred metres away from me at the time and for some reason I assumed it was a 787.

[@sophiewhitehouse6718]

As a Melbournian who hears my city's name horribly butchered constantly, thank you for pronouncing it properly (or at least much closer than anyone else I've heard)

[@hotmetalslugs]

It’s just pronounced “Melbourne” right?

[@mjleger4555]

I can't understand anyone mis-pronouncing Melbourne -- what do they say -- Mel-bour-ne? I've never heard it pronounced incorrectly, I've been there, it is a great city! The people are so nice and friendly, but I've never found Aussies to be any other way!

[@styren2815]

@@hotmetalslugsIt’s pronounced “Melben” as an Aussie or a Brit, or “Melbern” as an American. Some people pronounce it as “Melborn”

[@aenguswright7336]

MELb'n

[@ninjasinpjsfdcfdw2671]

wdym pronouncing it properly? 😂 he pronounces the 'r'. it isnt melbern but melben 😂

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[@GreenDotAviation]

My pleasure, glad you liked it 😄

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[@thorlancaster5641]

Pilots should have given it full throttle once they realized that takeoff wasn't going as planned after V2. They knew getting airborne was the only way to survive and the engines were capable of that thrust.

[@lordofnothing3201]

easy to say in hindsight

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

In a way they should've gone full thrust after V1, at that point they have to continue anyway.

[@Malc180s]

That's what they did. It's in the video. You should pay attention.

[@10293]

@@Malc180sToo slow

[@bluedistortions]

​​@@lordofnothing3201 not really that compicated to know you need to increase thrust if the plane is struggling to get up to speed, computer be damned. Its a case of things being too heavily automated, and pilots dont know how to fly a plane anymore, they just type things into a computer, and don't know what to do if that doesn't work. These responses are expected to be instinctual for pilots, as seconds matter in these situations.

[@dripking5456]

Firing the Pilots and Watching the Family's phone calls is crazy

[@Tombi432]

It's normal in Emirates. Don't get fooled by the glitter of this country. It's one of the most brutal dictatorships ever seen.

[@HD_555]

And not only that but the aircraft was also brutally written off after maintenance and flying Dude they harmed everyone even an innocent plane :(

[@ace78909]

Fr tho

[@abdullahamin4527]

They absolutely deserved to get fired for their incompetence

[@offyotto]

​@@abdullahamin4527like you know how to fly a plane

[@crew-dog2668]

I saw this incident on another channel, but I like your presentation so much better! Been binge watching your videos now that I found you. You do a great job!

[@aenguswright7336]

You didn’t mention the chilling detail from the report that the plane cleared a brick building just inside the airport fence by an estimated metre or 2. If the tail had hit that, it likely would have been severely damaged or ripped off completely making the jet completely uncontrollable

[@SJohnsoninc]

Air India Express Flight 611 actually hit a brick wall like that, but thankfully just with the main gear. What's more insane about the Air India Express Flight 611 was the fact that the pilots tought that everything is alright and simply kept flying to Dubai.

[@Limitwizzy22]

@@SJohnsoninc LOL

[@Limitwizzy22]

@@SJohnsoninc Good pilots

[@lachlanbaker2031]

It also barely missed the 7’4” airport perimeter fence

[@Chatta-Ortega]

A couple of years ago, I was on a United flight in Houston. We taxied to the runway and then went back to the gate. The plane was overweight. That was a close call and about a 90 minute delay.

[@rizwanwasi7019]

Why Captains do not refuse to fly when they're given an overloaded plane. They refuse to fly when they find any passenger suspicious, but they don't refuse overloaded flight which is so dangerous.

[@climbeverest]

I thought by now overweight issues are a thing of the past? Is there no automation to determine total cargo weight ?

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I don't understand why you don't have 1 million subscribers already This is some in depth informational video i ever have seen

[@Kathy009]

Binge watching these knowing I still wanna be a flight attendant in a couple years 🤣

[@ThomasG-r2j]

Then you would be one of the biggest liars on the plane, Oh don't worry this is normal, Knowing d*** well it's not normal, and your lives are about to end in 30 seconds, LOL.

[@aquablast3155]

Better to know than not to know when it comes to this, I guess? Like if you actually smell smoke (and it's not from cigarettes or something), you'll know to notify someone quickly, due to understanding how deadly plane fires can be. (I assume even if the pilots are aware of it, it probably won't hurt to have a 2nd confirmation-- and if they didn't know about it, it might be information that can propel them to take action sooner.) (Though we also understand the principle of ANC-- aviate, navigate, and communicate, so we won't panic so much even if there's zero communication-- it just means they're focused on flying the plane.) I've never truly understood those plane accidents until I watched these videos. And if you ever become a head flight attendant, you might get called to the cabin for such a briefing some day, haha... but flying is really normally very safe.

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a good friend of mine is a commercial pilot ,i shared your channel , you do a very good job creating these ,simple yet compelling . also you narration is top notch.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Much appreciated!

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damn the production quality and the flight sim shots are amazing! always a pleasure to watch

[@GreenDotAviation]

Glad you enjoyed it DLC! Lots of work went into getting the right shots on this one :)

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He even tried his best

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[@GreenDotAviation]

That's what we're aiming for, thanks for commenting!

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Your videos are 2nd to none. Just absolutely perfectly researched, produced, and edited. Keep doing what you're doing!

[@OwlRTA]

Emirates' response to the incident was shockingly awful. Firing them after they returned? Refusing to let them contact loved ones? What a fucking joke.

[@feddo84]

Such strict procedures is what makes this airline safest and best in the world, dont stick your nose into something you don't know about.

[@peepa47]

@@feddo84 It wasnt a violation, it was an honest mistake. This will only make emirates pilots not want to report their mistakes, which is very unsafe. And changing their procedures after this, only means that emirates clearly had inadequate procedures to uncover this mistake. What makes aviation safe is learning from mistakes, not punishing those who made them. Looks like you are the one who doesnt know nothing about this

[@tomstravels520]

@@feddo84 Safest and best? You're kidding right? EK521, EK407, the 777 that nearly nearly didn't climb out after takeoff.

[@tomstravels520]

@@peepa47 entering a 2 instead of a 3 was a mistake. However not then following the SOP's which would have caught this error was technically a violation

[@timhufnagel7462]

You must not know how Dubai is. Lol.

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Delighted to hear it!

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Here i am Watching the dude with the most chill voice(and i mean that in a good way) explain aviation stuff again I have to thank you and your Editor/whoever is with you doing this channel. This content is great and im loving it I have one question: Is it able to do a episode with an air lingus crash? Its an Irish airline i think

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Your channel is the best. It’s relaxing and intense at the same time. I like how to avoid spoiling whether they survive or not

[@Vishnu-B]

23:12, He was at the risk of running off the runway for the 2nd time on the same night. Man, the irony. Cant script these.

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I’ve never found a KZbin channel I’m this addicted too. Thanks

[@GreenDotAviation]

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Brand new episode of Green Dot Aviation = Time to stop everything and enjoy the detailed investigation and conclusions made by you :) Great channel with precise and high quality content. Keep going!

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[@0li07]

This one really clings you to your seat. Amazing representation.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@erikhaynes5506]

I'm confused why they had to dump so much fuel to the point of it being unsafe. Why couldn't they dump it so that it would have been what it was on a typical landing?

[@Jsjsjjssjs]

Same, not sure the narration is correct. Fuel calculations include alternate airports and minutes of holding, surely it’s within the maximum landing weight??

[@unamedname]

I think what he meant is that with the tail damage it might have to do multiple tries on the landing to see if its possible or get the gist of the control with the damage (as the damage could of gotten worst as the skin was perforated and could succub to more structural damage, did did not know to what extent the damage was. But I agree that typical landing fuel would have extra fuel for emergencies already included.

[@Corinne-v9c]

Exactly my thoughts. That part doesn't make any sense. Whatever fuel would've been on a typical landing for the plane would have been sufficient I think. However, I'm not a pilot, but it makes sense.

[@alandvideos9633]

This immediately struck me as an error when I heard it. At normal landing weight, an aircraft should have enough fuel for several go-arounds and then to proceed to an alternate airport.

[@stormix5755]

Either Green dot made a simple mistake or someone at Airbus or Emirates made a very VERY bad design decision. If a fully loaded A340 could only safely land with almost no fuel then it shouldn’t be fully loaded or the engineers need to go back to the drawing board. If it’s true then there were many many holes in the Swiss cheese model before it started

[@bauman7962]

Your videos are the best. I’ve been obsessed with aviation for years, and your content keeps me engaged all the way through

[@GreenDotAviation]

Glad you like them!

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Great stuff, Green Dot. These videos are always excellent quality. I especially enjoy your narration style and thoroughness of the research for esch and every video. Already looking forward to the next one!

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you very much :) More videos to come

[@lorenawieshamm46]

How disappointing to hear that the pilots were fired. I think this incident if anything had just made them better pilots. Humans make mistakes, but they also handled the emergency with proficiency afterwards. This is a sad outcome for the industry .

[@HaramainExperience]

Emirates and other airlines like them are very strict with incidents and safety and somthing like this would have constituted a severe punishment in their standards of operation

[@simonhawkins8572]

Typical response from EK

[@lynskyrd]

disappointing?? They didn't do their jobs. They didn't follow procedure/ They decided taking off 7 minutes earlier took precedence over safety. NONE of the 4 pilots called on their previous experience and failed to recognize "hey, I've done this flight many times, I usually enter over 300 tons for take off weight" - "hey, why are flaps only set at 1 - we usually do at least 2 but most of the time 3. This plane is packed" - NONE of them decided to THINK. The computer said do this, so they do it. Garbage In - Garbage Out. These pilots are garbage. Emirates did the right thing getting rid of these guys. And no, they won't be better pilots. Oh, for a while, they would have probably 'gone by the book' but then their true character would resurface and they'd screw up again and maybe with more dire consequences. Thankfully, Emirates Airlines and it's passengers didn't have to 'pay' for these 'pilots' incompetence.

[@af57162]

@@lynskyrdA lot of your reply is addressed in the video. The pilots were used to flying different planes so didn’t notice the oversight.

[@TheRockeyAllen]

If they make a mistake that could potentially cause the loss of life of a few hundred people, why exactly should they be retained?

[@smsren]

Such an amazing and well narrated video!! Great job honestly everything about it and the detail was spot on! Dont stop and keep making great videos.

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New videooo, lets go!! Perfect for dinner

[@GreenDotAviation]

Enjoy it!

[@alessandropbr]

First I hit the like button and then I watch. I’m sure it will be an amazing episode as always.

[@palemale2501]

Don't understand how the max landing weight (243T) meant they would need to "dump almost ALL their fuel", as this suggests that even in a normal flight they would have had no spare fuel for a Go-Around or 3, or a even a diversion to another airport.

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

Most the fuel was needed to fly back to Dubai, they had to dump most of that

[@DroneTechnology_]

This guy makes everything so easy to understand, I learn so much each time I watch a video, hands down, the best aviation youtuber!

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I love watching your videos! I watched all of air crash investigation and why planes crash and couldn’t get into any other videos on KZbin until I discovered your channel! ☺️

[@Tpr_1808]

This is really informative and effective. I'm not usually engaged when it comes to long form content but this did it for me. In all fairness ot was kinda harsh to fire all of them for 1 man's mistake and for the others to fail to notice it

[@kenlee-97]

I know - but the company saw these pilots as a liability...

[@Young-ep8ik]

Not one man's mistake at all. The other pilot is supposed to notice the discrepancy had he seriously followed the procedure.

[@pixeldragon6387]

I don’t give much of a hoot about aviation, but your story telling is compelling and in depth far more than enough to make up for that. Keep it up!

[@L33tSkE3t]

It would be cool if future Jet Aircraft could weigh themselves by using something like piezoelectric sensors or some other form of electronic scale tech incorporated into the landing gear assembly, where if could be programmed to take the sum of those values and add the weight of the landing gear assembly to show what the aircraft’s weight is in real time, when on the ground.

[@tomstravels520]

That wouldn’t have made any difference. The weight entered into the aircraft’s FMC was correct. It was the weight entered into the EFB that was wrong and the aircraft can’t talk to the EFB to check for errors

[@proventure307]

Your storytelling skills are sensational. Subscription is made.

[@TheCreativePalette]

I live near Melbourne Airport, but I never heard about this accident. Incredibly lucky as it's a fair distance from the ocean, and the airport is surrounded by bushland with sizeable trees. Thanks for making this video, I'm sure I'll think about this story next time I pass the airport!

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Thanks for this AWESOME Video yet again! I really enjoyed watching it :) Just one thing: it'd be super nice if you'd review your sponsors a bit more. Opera is known to track it's users into oblivion and absolutely shatters your privacy online. It really harms people's confidentiality... but all in all, great production!

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Well idk first time I hear that, did you factcheck it? Idk whether having Opera is so dangerous.. @RoCream1

[@petercollins7730]

Whenever someone says that something "is known," it almost always means they heard it somewhere from someone. Kind of like the "fact" that it "is known" that the 2020 election was stolen. In fact, Opera is one of the least intrusive mainstream browsers in terms of collecting user data. And with a trivial effort, all tracking, from the browser and from websites, can be blocked. Virtually all of the "tracking" that Opera does is short-term memory holds for browsing data, used to speed up page loading times. And even this function can be easily and fully disabled wit 60 seconds effort. Rather than spew what "is known," it is better to actually do a few minutes of research with one of the many, many authoritative sites which actually test and report this information.

[@rousseauramirez]

"Opera is one of the least intrusive mainstream browsers" - tests by independent computing magazines have proved otherwise, I read a lot of sources on how to protect your privacy and did a lot of research (did you? It doesn't look like that) Inspecting the networking of the app shows that Opera sends telemetry data on almost all websites you visit to its manufacturer. Did you even google about how Opera treats your privacy? It definetly IS NOT a browser that respects your privacy like a non-intrusive browser such as Firefox would. Additionally, if you need to block the built-in tracking of your browser by yourself because that's necessary in the first place, I don't think it's a privacy-friendly browser at all - obviously?! Just stop trying to de-bunk information that clearly is available to the public. The fact you need to focus on my expression "it's known" shows how little actual facts you can deliver on that topic. @@petercollins7730

[@johnnyl1948]

Great presentation Green Dot. I'm an aviation consultant and this is the best I've seen. It doesn't dodge the obvious inconvenient truths contained in this incident. If the owner of the video could contact me I have a few ideas.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Glad you enjoyed it! You can contact me on [e-mail]

[@edmondse]

I dont know why im so addicted to watching these but im always glad when the stories dont result in deaths. Your storytelling is amazing.

[@FigureNastics]

Damn bro, I got sooooooo hyped when I saw you'd uploaded a new video 😂 Awesome content as always! ☺️

[@GreenDotAviation]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@FigureNastics]

@@GreenDotAviation I did enjoy it! Thanks so much! 🙏

[@Jennx7080]

Not a pilot (I wish) but I’ve seen a gazillion videos of planes in an emergency/fatal crashes to know two things…ALWAYS DO THE CHECKLISTS and have a sterile cockpit while takeoff & landing. Seriously I’ve heard those two things so many times

[@iainmorgan6145]

Fortunately this happened at the end of a very long, hot and dry summer. So the grass at the end of the runway was not much different from the concrete runway… if this had of been July it would have been very different

[@magnusnygren4795]

OH Gosh, this was a real thriller. You have done so many great videos lately. How can I sleep after this as I had planned. So happy all survived but I wonder how the first officer felt afterwards. Hopefully his mistake will lead to improved routines, it is crazy that such small mistake could have lead to such huge disaster.

[@Mrk7770]

Found this channel few weeks ago, love it. So well done 👏 and narrated cant stop watching them.

[@lukebrown6737]

I was booked on EK407 the next evening after this incident, rather nervy at take off and have flown this flight a bunch of times it’s now an A380 these days.

[@MaverickSu-35]

I'm puzzled a bit by what you say that needing to dump fuel they would leave them with very fuel amount! Would be much less than they would've had at the normal destination which should've been enough to do some go-arounds and land at alternate? I mean to have the MLW (maximum landing weight) with such a low amount of fuel as you've made it sound like doesn't add up!

[@chinottoking]

It always makes me think how brave the pilots were in WW2, not only having the dangers of flying but combat as well

[@Anna-ih7yb]

this is so out of context

[@chinottoking]

@@Anna-ih7yb ?

[@PyrPupMom]

Oh my goodness, yes!

[@PyrPupMom]

Random World War II story: my mother's cousin was a waste gunner in a bomber in World War II. He flew 25 missions and all of the crew came back safely. He returned to the US and wanted to get his pilot's license, but his mother had to sign for him because he wasn't yet 21!

[@Pilot-2020]

Your content is so much appreciated, carry on!

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you, that’s the plan!

[@FlexBeanbag]

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[@mikeletaurus4728]

Your uploads are so well produced. Thank you for all your effort in producing them and allowing us to view your excellent work.

[@kgabothamaga7155]

"Why won't it climb?" "Because it's heavy😂😂"

[@hydrostatic8048MGTOW]

It's terrifying to know it's that easy to make a fatal mistake. It makes me me a little nervous about flying.

[@BillySugger1965]

It isn’t in most cases, and this opportunity for error has been closed. Flying is the safest form of transport per mile because procedures are always being improved like this. Every incident or near miss is an opportunity to learn and improve. This is why I feel perfectly safe flying.

[@elliott7268]

Think about how easy it is to crash your car and die. Much worse than flying on a plane 😐

[@maesc2001]

The car crash analogy is a fallacy. Flying is inherently dangerous and if everyone were to drive to flying standards there would be no car crashes, let alone fatal ones.

[@troodon1096]

@@maesc2001 Stepping out of your house is inherently dangerous. Air flight being held to a higher standard is precisely why it is statistically safer than driving. But you never hear people commenting about car crashes making them afraid to drive.

[@elliott7268]

@@maesc2001 but they don't. Do they. And a heck of a whole lot more people die in car crashes. You haven't really proven that the car crash analogy is a fallacy, you've just said how safe driving would be if we drove by flying regulations. But we don't. This is the real world, not theory land. Therefore also proving my point that it's much easier to make a fatal mistake driving than it is flying.

[@BobaStarLine]

I love these vids bro, thanks for making them! 🎉:)

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you! More coming 😎

[@BobaStarLine]

No Problem 💪

[@Jupiter3835]

I love you’re content! Keep it up

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you! That’s the plan 😄

[@susannes.3380]

One can only hope that the repair on the tail was done correctly, so that there won't be another ticking time bomb in the air like it was the case with JL123. But please, let me take this opportunity to bow to the incredibly outstanding work you do here on this channel. I am in awe of your documentaries and how perfectly well they are made. What also stands out to me is the pittoresque language you use by implementing metaphors to convey even more intensely what is happening. This channel is pure gold. Thank you!

[@alcoyne3333333333333]

Green dot is so good i don't even watch . I just listen to the sound when driving like its a podcast 👍👍👍 . Thanks ☘️ very much 🇮🇪☘️🇮🇪

[@nathanmarkovski9301]

What an amazingly detailed analysis of this event, highlighting how inconspicuously details can be implemented incorrectly or missed altogether in busy situations and dynamic environments, with a lot of moving parts. Btw, does anyone have the song name for the song @21:55? Just as the pilots hear about the possibility of a fire onboard. Thank you in advance!

[@johnpatrick1588]

An experienced pilot should know if the numbers are not reasonable for the conditions on a 14 hour flight. A plane with an empty basic weight of 170 tons then another 130 tons of fuel added for 300 tons and no light bulb went of pilot's head when 260 ton entered.

[@tomstravels520]

But these pilots also frequently flew the much lighter A330 and A340-300 so they had to deal with loads of different numbers all the time

[@charlesclager6808]

Excellent and exciting production !! You know I have watched so many of these types of videos that I knew what the problem was, weight and the resulting flap settings etc. What I learned was the myriad of plane generated messages and so on. During the video it occurred to me why the computer didn't tell the pilots that the plane wasn't correctly prepared for takeoff, which you told me was a correction that occurred as a result of this near disaster. Again, your videos are excellent.

[@Hinjima92]

Loving these videos! Found your channel a week ago and I have gone back and watched ALL videos you have made.. Now I just look forwards to your uploads. Excelleting work and narration.

[@whoever6458]

As someone who tends to copy numbers in the wrong order sometimes, I can tell you that it's extremely important to make sure you have the numbers right and to check many times for a mistake since numbers makes sense in any order, unlike letters. You should literally tune everything else out when you're trying to copy numbers from one place to the other because the first you will know of your error is when your math doesn't work out and that is never good. At the very least, it gets a complex math problem in what should be a simple math class and we clearly see from this example what happens in one of the worst incidents.

[@whoever6458]

This is such an extremely easy error to make too. Says nothing at all about these pilots being incompetent. It's a very human error and so very easy to make by any one of us.

[@tomstravels520]

To all those saying :"why can't the aircraft weigh itself?". Just think for a moment. The video clearly stated the weight entered into the aircrafts computer (FMS) was correct of 362.9 tonnes. Having built in scales would not make any difference because this would also tell the pilots that. The error was the entry into the EFB used to calculate performance, which cannot talk to the FMS.

[@Sovek86]

the problem was the FMC apparently couldnt calculate its own perfomance speeds, so was reliant on the EFB to do the weight and balance.

[@tomstravels520]

@@Sovek86 i know…….thats the point I’m trying to make. Hardly any commercial aircraft uses the FMC for takeoff performance

[@maryflannery6805]

Could there be a weigh station at the terminal, with the weight entered digitally into the cockpit...

[@tomstravels520]

@@maryflannery6805 no, because pilots don’t enter the weight of the aircraft into the FMS directly. They enter the weight if the payload and the weight of the fuel separately because one will stay the same the whole flight, the other will decrease.

[@grassytramtracks]

Well the empty weight is a known, fixed value, so add the amount of fuel (which the plane knows), and the approximate weight of the payload. Not an exact value perhaps, but close enough to sense-check a big error like this

[@johnmoloney5296]

Excellent and enjoyable as always

[@GreenDotAviation]

Glad you enjoyed it John!

[@johnmoloney5296]

@@GreenDotAviation bit harsh what they did to the pilots without much due process or thats how it appears

[@STARRY_SCARAB]

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[@technomax409]

The amount of ads in this video is what made this plane heavier for takeof

[@Wiznarski]

This is one of the most underrated channels on KZbin. Keep it up man

[@cbuchner1]

What puzzles me is the extremely late decision to use TOGA thrust. Should have been applied during the first clear signs of trouble.

[@killer-gaming]

Yea the whole time he said the airplane wasn't pulling up i was like apply full power! Then he narrators they try to pull up even more 😅. I would of yell full power! And put it in toga. But then again in a stressful situation you don't really think. It's easy for us to say it but we won't in that moment with all that stress. You panic and don't think of the solution. Lucky they did eventually think of it.

[@EdOeuna]

They should have rejected the take off.

[@codbot3251]

@@EdOeunathey didn’t have enough time to stop

[@EdOeuna]

@@codbot3251- the should have recognised the slow acceleration and then stopped. Clearly above V1 you can’t stop, even if it’s the wrong V1.

[@codbot3251]

@@EdOeuna I’m not going to watch it again to see but I’m pretty sure it accelerated at a normal rate, it’s that the plane was 20 knots short of the speed it needed to get off the ground

[@rickb1973]

There's a quote that I always think about...now that I've lived long enough to appreciate it...by Vladimir Nabokov. Yeah, the "Lolita" guy. ....Anyway, it goes, "Complacency is a state of mind that exists only in retrospective: it has to be shattered before being ascertained."

[@tammymakesthings]

It’s interesting to me, with all these advanced electronic systems, that the aircraft doesn’t have a way of estimating its own weight, at least as a cross-check for what the pilots enter. It seems like sensors on the landing gear struts could look at the strut compression levels and calculate a rough estimate. The pilots could still have to enter a more precise calculated weight into the FMC, but that entered value could be cross-checked against the aircraft’s estimate.

[@Young-ep8ik]

What's your proposal for a mechanism to measure a vehicle's weight from internal devices because that would be very interesting and groundbreaking.

[@tammymakesthings]

@@Young-ep8ik since high precision isn’t required, something like measuring the compression of the landing gear strut pistons might be a way of providing an order-of-magnitude cross check. Ground equipment that communicates with the plane’s CDU during flight setup would be another way to provide a cross-check.

[@Young-ep8ik]

@@tammymakesthings I’m not sure how precise/feasible that is. But a good point mentioned in the video was that an order of magnitude check is not good enough for vehicles with a short range of possible weight values. Say the estimated weight was 3.3 tons, then it wouldn’t be something the pilots would notice, for the very same reason they failed to notice 2.692 was off, since they all had flew a smaller plane with that weight before.

[@tammymakesthings]

@@Young-ep8ik yeah, I don’t know how feasible it is, either. Just thinking aloud. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@m1co294]

Gotta have humans do the crucial bits

[@maryann8288]

My first time on this site. Excellent reporting on what happened. The suspense was so great for me, I went to the end about halfway through the video to see if they would survive or not. After I saw they survived, I went back to see the rest of the video.

[@beehappy4196]

Thank you very much for the interesting video, it is frightening how often we make mistakes, but luckily they rarely lead to terrible consequences

[@romanlightman4937]

There should be a "Take off weight Normals" check based on the number of Pax and fuel load. For instance, at a glance if the you have X number of pax and X number of fuel, the normal ballpark T/O Thrust setting will be X. If these quick reference numbers are not reasonably matching up then it should trigger a slow down and refiguring of the entire T/O power settings and airspeeds. A quick reference graph including all pertinent info would be easy to make.

[@bobwilson758]

Excellent , common sense idea !

[@tomstravels520]

There are many factors that can greatly change these results though so it’s not reliable enough. The latest Airbus can calculate a liftoff distance using the given metrics and if it’s longer than the runway it will alert the runway is too short. That should give you a clue that your performance might not be accurate

[@romanlightman4937]

@@tomstravels520 A quik ball park estimation using the main components of this calculation is not designed to catch all the minutia. It designed to be a quick reference rule of thumb that can catch a major error like these guys made.

[@tomstravels520]

@@romanlightman4937 that still wouldn’t necessarily help. As I just told you there is already a method available to detect if you are going to be able to lift off in time and if not it’s a clue you might have done your takeoff calculations wrong. If they had checked their greed dot speeds as they were supposed to they would have seen immediately they had entered the weight wrong

[@romanlightman4937]

@@tomstravels520 something more than green dot speeds is needed, apparently green dot speeds are not enough. These "Pros" missed it.

[@guyseeten2755]

13:01 The captain applied TOGA thrust at the last minute. I wonder if this made any difference for getting airborne in time. What is the response time of these 4 RR engines, from flex thrust to TOGA?

[@big_man_ank1768]

Would have definitely made the difference. It takes a couple moments but I wouldn't imagine it'd be too long since the engines are already spooled up. It probably reduced valuable seconds in the tailstrike

[@May-ms9wg]

I am surprised that it wasn't the first instinct? It feels natural to just floor it if the plane isn't rotating or lifting up

[@sonicwave32]

Would it be possible to add some form of timeline on the screen whenever a specific time are mentioned? I always have trouble remembering them on air accident videos and end up going back to look for it, in this case to figure out how long it took the crew to dump fuel.

[@colincampbell7126]

Green dot has the absolute best ,killer intro music..that whole riff is so tasty

[@demogorgonli]

Could you do a video on some interesting crashes from earlier times like the 60s? I always find it so interesting learning about the (lack of) safety features they had back then.

[@tomstravels520]

Problem is there aren’t many planes from the 60’s available for MSFS or XPlane

[@yashkhandelwal641]

Having a drem to be a pilot and being an aerospace student. this video is amazing!

[@indianfan1029]

Good video, but the bit about fuel dumping sounds totally illogical. If they are dumping fuel to Reduce the weight, there should never arise any scenario of running out of fuel. Because those extra go-arounds that you are talking about, those would apply even in the case of landing at their destination airport as well. So I don't see how that would be an issue.

[@DEAJP10]

Best aviation channel on KZbin? Yes.

[@prihollis]

The anxiety I have watching this channel 😱 Can’t stop though 💪🏽 Well done 👏🏽