Russia's Demographic Crisis Explained - TLDR News

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Putin's invasion of Ukraine hasn't gone as well as he had planned, but things aren't going much better at home either, with Russia's fertility rate verging on a demographic crisis. Can Putin do anything about it, or will the war just make things worse?
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[@LarsaXL]

I know it's more complicated, but I'm still going to take a moment to appreciate the dark irony of trying to solve the problems of having an aging population, low fertility rates and high mortality by sending a lot of young men out of the country to die...

[@hirobeez]

I suspect that in part it may have looked (from their "special" point of view) that this is one of their last chances to wage actual territorial war. The tendency with the current trajectory is that their pool of available arms will continue dwindling, so as a "strategic" sacrifice it will create the potential of a different future. I still think it is quite delusional and irresponsible, but what was the last world leader you ever heard of that actually understands the damage the ruling class can do to their people?

[@Treblaine]

Putin seemed to think he could just grab Ukraine and its entire population which he'd quickly put under his heel.

[@MrKogline]

No Russian soldiers have died. They have all engaged in a special mortality operation.

[@SuperTonyony]

@@hirobeez Well said.

[@hritikmehta8566]

Pardon me for being cynical but maybe by conquering territory they also intend to delay the demographic decline by incorporating the population of conquered area, there are already reports of Ukrainian people being forcibly shipped to eastern Siberia. Plus the ethnic Russians in Ukraine (around 8-10M) will probably be Russian nationals again, even those who reside outside the occupied territory may have to immigrate due to animosity and bitterness they may face in Ukraine. Overall no matter how sinister, this may actually be a temporary solution to their problem. In long term though nothing can prevent this except positive change in fertility rate.

[@erik7999]

Worth thing noting and I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned here is the domestic violence issue in Russia. It was decriminalised in 2017. Many many women have been harmed at the hands of their own men and many ended up dying in their own homes due to brutality occuring there. I can't imagine all this encourages women to have children when violence is so rampant. Then again, the head of the Russian church has remarked that "beatings are mere blessings" so maybe this might actually have nothing to do with birth rates going to hell. 🤷

[@OHOE1]

guess he wanted to have a light explanation

[@ExcessumGaming]

What do you expect when Russian men are raised like beasts, just look at what they are doing in ukraine. When men like that come back home that behaviour wont vanish and 1 outburst is enough to kill the spouse or worse...

[@InteloPL]

When it comes to having children with such man, women (overall) tend to be much forgiving and more towards "he's a bad boy but he's my bad boy". Would call it some stupid theory have I not seen it irl many times.

[@jsb1585]

@@OHOE1 I think they'd probably post that particular part of the explanation on Nebula, where they can talk about more sensitive subject matter without having their video flagged by the algorithm.

[@johicks4573]

I lived in Russia as a student and it was common to see (usually slightly older) women working at kiosks, in supermarkets, the post office and so on, wearing a startling amount of make-up. Despite this though they weren’t 100% successful at covering up the black eyes and other bruises. I felt so bad for them…

[@jrssww]

At 5:10 he says the fertility rate dropped from 2.1 percent to 1.4 percent. These numbers are not percentages! They are the average number of births per woman

[@nydydn]

I scrolled in the comments just to see if someone already commented on this aspect. This mistake is half important, as what he meant was understandable by most, but may cause confusion (think of a fertility rate of actually 2.1%=2.1/100=0.021), or hint to a poor understanding of the subject.

[@tobyk.4911]

yes, he misspoke there ... however, in the graphics, the fertility rate are always correctly given without a %sign, and earlier in the video, about in the second minute, he said it correctly (without "percent")

[@SimonWallwork]

I worked in Kazakhstan for a few years. Masses of women and a shortage of men. Also, masses of well educated people desperate to leave. I wonder when these autocratic countries are going to realise, that people don't like living that way and if they get a chance to leave, will do so immediately.

[@ramr7051]

They obviously know you silly goose. They just don't care.

[@richardarriaga6271]

As long as the oil flows, they don't care if all the smart and talented people leave.

[@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368]

Send for the incels. Light the beacon!

[@rodrigoadrianrodriguezaedo4477]

That's why (most) autocratic countries make leaving them as difficult as possible

[@hugmc]

Most go there feeling lonely well just for a holiday though

[@r.d.vaughan4541]

A Russian has recently married into our family. She said that there was no way she was going to marry a Russian male. Apparently there is an imbalance between the number of males to females in the populace with less men. The males apparently take advantage of the situation and the females get treated poorly, so she wanted out. This wasn't mentioned in the TLDR video. Maybe the Ukrainian war will have an impact on the out of balance male-female ratio. She did mention the low male life expectancy as all her father's friends have died.

[@davidradtke160]

Wars going to make it worse.

[@ImattNobody]

There is more women than men almost everywhere in the world but in Muslim countries and China. That's how you keep the specie going if they were more males than females or equal numbers a specie would be more likely to go extinct as generally when a specie is in danger of extinction you always make sure that only the males get killed as only one male can impregnate all the females. Even generally mammals have a ratio of 11 women for 10 men so having more women is healthy for a specie.

[@gingernutpreacher]

@@davidradtke160 was going to say that plus they drink them self's to death

[@thornelderfin]

I am not sure if enough Russian soldiers will die to make a demographic difference (it's not like 1 million will die). But you are right, it's not going to be positive impact for sure. I think the emigration (brain drain) due to repressive regime is going to have much larger impact as it's 200-300 thousand people already (women are leaving too, which is much worse for the country).

[@crttsome7504]

@@thornelderfin I doubt a significant amount are leaving. Not a lot of people can leave their "home".

[@bernardfinucane2061]

One big problem Russia has is Putin's autocratic kleptocracy. Russia is a beautiful country with deep cultural roots. It has magnificent cities and plenty of room to enjoy the great outdoors. But the image that Putin projects is that the country is just a gutted relic of Stalin's dead empire, still stuck in the wrong century and held together by tanks and the secret police. Who would want to rise a family there? He should ask himself why even his own daughters don't want to live there.

[@milekrizman]

Good point. 90's were chaotic decade, followed by resurgence of old Soviet style police state since early 2000's. Fear, paranoia and obsession over geopolitics are again main political ideology in Russia, not economy, trade, education and health care. This country needs New Perestroika and New Glasnost.

[@DeadKraken]

When literally every single child of diplomats, politicians and upper middle class people lives abroad, you know that your country is crap and will only attract people who are either ignorant of the living conditions, or are escaping from war so they have no choice.

[@jwhite5008]

This is certainly one of the issues, but ultimately not the main one. A lot of IT people leave for better political climate (as in - not being jailed for like on a video that some idiot decided to be harmful - or oppositional) But mostly this is due to unpredictable financial crashes, the one that was created due to this sudden war as an example.

[@pugnaciousdeliciososa2191]

@@milekrizman Perestroika and Glastnost for Russia? Only if heavily, heavily modified to suit their current level of development. What they need is a Marshall Plan and a ton of initial spoon-feeding until they're up to a decent standard. A good part of that 90s chaos was their economy and society being opened up when they weren't even close to being ready for the increased competition from other countries.

[@serhiy1132]

@@jwhite5008 not the main reason? half the population of the soviet union vanished, you dont recover from that sort of loss in under 100 years

[@avantelvsitania3359]

There is also another very important issue in this whole situation that may be uncomfortable to talk about. The fact that in Russia the fertility rate and demographic crisis is different among ethnic groups. And Russia has a lot of diverse ethnic groups inside its borders. Basically, a lot of ethnic minorities in the peripheries of the Federation have very high fertility rates, especially in the Caucasus or in Siberia. At least, they have fertility rates that are higher than the local Russian community’s rate. And since most of these groups are native, they are quietly overturning the Russification policies of the Imperial and Soviet regimes. As the native population increases its percentage in face of the Russian share, the potential for separatism increases. Also, this tells us that these minorities are sustaining the data of the Federation as a whole. If by Russia we understand the European/Slavic/Orthodox society, than the crisis is much deeper.

[@vkrgfan]

There are lots of interracial marriages, one of the problems now is that a lot of Ukrainians have families in Russia and lots of ethnic Russians are citizens of Ukraine especially in the east and central Ukraine. Pretty much everyone in Ukraine speaks Russian or able to speak Russian. What’s happening right now is tragedy because Western Ukraine was armed by the West to fight Putin in a proxy war. Horrible situation.

[@MrHodoAstartes]

@@vkrgfan Okay, leaving aside the term "interracial" Implying Ukrainian were somehow part of a separate ethnic group of very different characteristics rather than a neighboring East Slavic nationality. You also completely ignore Russian aggression contrasted against the restrained behavior of NATO right until the Russian invasion. Russia has sustained a conflict in Ukraine since the annexation of Crimea in 2014 and NATO has done little but attempted to keep Putin from aggressing further. Even as it became evident that Ukraine was mostly fighting Russian troops in the Donbas. Also Russia has begun circulating material promoting a genocide of Ukraine, not to mention the massacres against civilians that can be tracked via satellite to have been perpetrated by Russian soldiers.

[@vkrgfan]

@@MrHodoAstartes Sorry mate, imagine if Russia planned a regime change in Canada and Canadians would say YAY we want to join a military alliance with Russia against the USA. How do you think the US would react? Besides Canada and the EU leaders are basically submitted to the US hegemony. I’m not justifying this war at all, Putin made a stupid choice there could’ve been another way to deal with NATO but it also not only about NATO it’s about natural resources. The EU desperately need natural gas that Ukraine has to bypass Russia though if they suck Ukraine dry out of their resources that would be catastrophic for Ukraine long term, it’s not a good strategy to give away all your natural resources while EU and the US are playing environmentalists and don’t want to drill on their own land. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKC6aGiAasehpKc Try here are different ethnic groups in Russia and Ukraine since Soviet Union included 15 republics, so it’s fair to say interracial.

[@wynnschaible]

The one pronatalist policy that has seemed at all to work is in Georgia, where the extremely popular Archbishop announced "I will personally baptise every third child" and these have turned into stadium events! Still working? I don't know, and not exportable in any case. Meanwhile, on the other side of the Amur -- which was not a national boundary until the mid 1700s, and both sides know this very well -- the Han population is increasing...

[@wynnschaible]

@@MrHodoAstartes Whatever the differences historical or ethnic between Russia and Ukraine -- and how much, really, was there in Ireland? -- the annihilationist policy of Russia -- the Holodomor being only the most brutal recent example -- has made any kind of national consolidation impossible. We must keep up our support or NATO members will be next. Slava Ukraini!

[@hellboundchaoscommand7567]

And let us not forget that young Russians have one of the highest Heroin addiction rates, alcoholism rates, and HIV infection rates in the modern world

[@michaelsnelling3338]

Very sad fact.

[@pritapp788]

Before the fall of the Iron Curtain they faced poverty and deprivation, but were at least relatively free from those "free market joys" you describe. Since 1990 they've become only marginally richer - measured by GDP per capita, not other metrics - but seen living standards collapse in all other areas.

[@Jartran72]

@@pritapp788 You are delusional if you think that those drugs did not exist in Russia during the Soviet times.

[@Crashed131963]

Many Russian parents tell their children what life behind the Iron Curtain was like in the last Cold War (1947-1991). The younger educated Russians are getting out before the new Curtain closes.

[@spookyghostwriter3110]

In my experience with Russian humour 80-90% of it is some sort of complaining about the government, and it dates back to Soviet times. Funny how that works.

[@worlddd7777]

@@spookyghostwriter3110 Thats not so bad, in US today 99% of humour is about race and gays

[@Temmoie]

@@worlddd7777 Well, that's the catch, people mocks their government every country, even I do that to mine, too. Seriously, amid the Russian-Ukrainian crisis at the moment, it's so funny my government just donated BUTT-LOAD of cash to Ukraine government, while they do everything they can to reduce the amount of Covid aid the citizens can receive, or down right giving aid to people who still has jobs while jobless ones due to Covid hit, got none.

[@Boretheory]

@@worlddd7777 not only jokes your whole nation seems to become based on that

[@cteal2018]

@@worlddd7777 and moronic politicians

[@khigor1]

Basically Putin is the nail in the coffin for Russia

[@buddyboyingtonesq.231]

nails are his polices, he is the hammer.

[@alexcovarrubias1430]

What about the rest of the world

[@s.m.7018]

Sending now around 15,000 young men to their death in Ukraine isn’t going to help the fertility rate.

[@ramr7051]

Numbers closer to 20,000 and counting...

[@MajinOthinus]

It won't help, but the military losses of the war are a drop in the ocean of what the sanctions are doing and will continue to do to Russia's demographics. Even if they somehow win this war militarily, the outflow of Russian population and the declining birthrates caused by the sanctions mean Russia is already fubar. Even if sanctions were lifted next week, I doubt that would save Russia at this point; my guess is, we'll see a split up of Russia in the 2050s, maybe earlier depending on the direction this war goes.

[@nick0340]

@@ramr7051 Numbers closer to 50,000+. Remember to count in those who have died as well as those who have been wounded. If you are wounded 20 miles/kms from the nearest town in the forest, how are you going to get medical care without transportation? You might as well be counted as dead for statistical reasons. You will never get out alive.

[@BadOompaloompa79]

Maybe 40000+ wounded also. At least some will never have children due to permanent disability.

[@tomlxyz]

If Ukraine became part of Russia it technically would add much more than lost

[@Petro00D]

Given the quick departure of 200,000 Russians, likely those leaving are educated middle to upper class. Further hurting Russia.

[@frankieseward8667]

And that is likely to go up before long.

[@buddyboyingtonesq.231]

On the bright side, they will get disillusioned by the West once they start living and paying taxes there. So some of them might become industrial spies and end up transferring real world knowledge back to Russia. Also, many of them would create "problems" in an autocratic society, so for now it's a benefit to Putin.

[@Anonymous-qj3sf]

What does this have to do with the level of education? are you a troll?

[@Petro00D]

@@Anonymous-qj3sf plane tickets are expensive so that cost money. If one plans to go to another country, their ability to make it there until employment also requires money. Typically it is the middle class the immigrates to other countries. The lower class does not posses the funds and the upper class has no reason.

[@Anonymous-qj3sf]

@@Petro00D Lmao 😂😂😂 Russians don't go to countries like USA and EU countries. From much more in the post-Soviet countries or in Bulgaria, Serbia ... such countries do not require large funds for living

[@somethinglikethat2176]

10%-15% recession? Fun Fact: 10% and over is classed as a depression.

[@clickonmike]

I'm no expert but don't you have to have 2 or 3 consecutive quarters in recession before it's classified as a depression. Just asking.

[@tugger]

@@clickonmike both

[@view1st]

The world has been in a depression since 2008, barring perhaps the Chinese. The system is in crisis and I think it might get a lot worse before it gets any better.

[@ramr7051]

@@view1st you don't know what you're talking about

[@Crashed131963]

Russia had a GDP just above Spain before the war. Now Russian economy is only going down.

[@banto1]

Interesting. I would imagine that the vast majority of immigrants TO Russia are from countries that are less well off (e.g. Uzbekistan, Tajikistan,...) and those immigrants are looking for work at the bottom of the education/pay scale. It won't offset the large emigration of educated well-off Russians who already left or will leave because of the conflict. Population loss in and of itself is not bad. The side-effects, like smaller number of people paying taxes and paying into pension systems are the real downside, but are much less important in kleptocratic countries where popular discontent is put down quickly and violently.

[@user-uf2df6zf5w]

Many of them will also lose work in Russia and migrate out somewhere else.

[@andreymontag]

There're a lot of migrants from these countries, but they are unaccounted for. They're all illegal and endangered workers, often

[@murtadha96]

The bottom of the education/pay scale? What are you even saying. A lot of these immigrants are coming as students, in the most prestigious Russian universities. That actually puts them at a similar level of those Russians leaving the country.

[@davidgrowsdragonfruit5301]

True, but don't the least educated have the most children? Swings and roundabouts... anybody with even a basic understanding of the world's future direction knows that having children is selfish and cruel. Nobody should be born into this declining shitshow.

[@mormacil]

@@murtadha96 1) that means once again investing into education, that’s wasteful. 2) Those leave like the rest of the highly educated so you just delay the problem.

[@ohnonomorenames]

I have heard the population dip also explained by the WWII. While many countries suffered significant casualties Russia's losses were off the chart. The young men who should have fathered children between 1940 and 1950 were dead also many young children died of during the war. After the war the Soviet Union wasn't a particularly attractive place for people to immigrate so these losses were never replaced or even softened. 25 years later ('65 to '75) the next population dip occurred. By 1990 they were due for the 3rd dip.

[@jwhite5008]

The WW2 dip was far in the past and does not affect us much currently. The current dip is because literally all saved money became worthless in 90s crash, and people didn't know if situation was to improve. My family had money saved to buy a house. All we managed to buy on it was a couple of furniture items. If you had such a devastating crash in your life, would you be thinking about having children?

[@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368]

In the 1950s, there were many being sent to Gulags. Plus there's the rampant alcoholism and domestic violence.

[@wzero8830]

Sounds like you read Peter Zeihan?

[@ToddSauve]

@@wzero8830 Yes, Zeihan has been saying this for years and years now. He has published books from the 2010s stating this plainly and in detail. During WW2, some areas of Russia would send 100 men to war and only one would return on average. You just can't absorb losses like that without being staggered for decades and decades. Then add in the unending thug and gangster government of the country and no one wants to bring children into such an environment. I can't help but feel a lot of compassion for the Russian people. Putin is just the latest criminal/murderer to head the country. The toll on them is just terrible. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@ruspotter2037]

Old news

[@louieuy7607]

Considering you have to sell a kidney just for TP these days, and the 1% holds more wealth than several countries, I can see why people are making fewer babies.

[@snowcrustracer]

Yep, no one want their children to be slaves and live and poverty. No hope of owning a home, no hope of going to college, no hope of even more than a 4th grade education. Overpopulation, pollution, crime horrid criminal and authoritarian governments...why bother.

[@louieuy7607]

@@snowcrustracer I'd like to add that even if the rich gave $1m to each person in the world they would still have several billion dollars left but the reason why that isn't done is it would tank the current world order of economic activity keeping people in debt that there's no choice but to work to death just to drive economic growth. Babies = future taxes + future economic growth. Imagine if some of the brightest minds in the past lived today. Things like gravity and relativity would be behind a paywall.

[@WimsMill]

1:50 The smaller than or less than sign goes the other direction. We reed from left to right and say: "It is less than" so the lesser part is in front of the bigger part. Now it says the developed world has a fertility rate above 2.1.

[@aam50]

Thanks - that jumped out at me as well!

[@MrRocksW]

Remember the shark eats the bigger number

[@Yahriel]

I was going to comment on this as well. It's driving me nuts.

[@reviloogel8891]

I find it kind of shocking that this is wrong to be honest.

[@makelvin]

I doubt Putin is really all that concerned about Russia’s declining population. He would not hesitate to send young men to their deaths as long as he can maintain his power. As long as he can maintain that power, other people dying is completely irrelevant to him. He simply won’t lose any sleep over such trivial matters.

[@RainbowDevourer]

Yeah, though the issue with burning through your reserves is that one day you can't just do what you expect you can do due to there not being enough obedient drones to carry out your bidding... Russia isn't at that point. Yet.

[@tugger]

except putin enacted costly policies to attempt to encourage birth rates..meaning he didnt regard it as a trivial matter

[@shutupMaji]

Putin is like 70, he'd be dead before it ever became a problem

[@jwhite5008]

@@tugger/videos Those policies are not AS costly all things considered. And he has to provide for elites which keep him in power despite populace becoming increasingly weary of his government (don't believe official political polls, they are expected to be fake).

[@ramr7051]

Worst of all, this whole Ukraine thing is more of a prestige/legacy-building project for Putin more than anything else. Invading Ukraine was never necessary for him to stay in power. And yet here we are...

[@user-eq9xs5fz9u]

Also something to keep in mind. Under 18 years ~23.21% 18-44 years (optimal labour and child bearing age) ~34.73% 45-64 years 26.55% 65 and over 15.6% The younger generation are most irreplaceable and they represent the country's next generation. But thanks to drafting and fleeing, the future of Russia are getting bleaker by the second. Not just from economically, but also socially

[@Steelrat1994]

There's been no drafting in Russia yet and it is unlikely to happen. Only the professional military are fighting in Ukraine right now(except for some conscripts that got there because someone has fucked up their orders). If you're referring to the recent order signed by Putin to draft 134 thousand of mend, then it's a regular thing and has nothing to do with the war. Russia conscripts around 134k of men from 18 to 27 twice a year: in spring and in the fall. They serve for a year mostly getting basic trained, painting grass, being bored and then go into reserves. Meaning they are done with the army unless there is a massive scale war and everyone gets mobilized. And even if young men were draften for this war, the impact on the country's birth rates would be irrelevant. Less than 2 thousand russian soldiers died so far, around 4 thosands were injured. During WW2 millions of russian men died and the demographic echoes of that would still be more significant than from this war 20 years from now. The real reasons for declining birth rates are: kids are expensive, available birth control, general lack of interest in having more than 1-2 kids, and Putin's terrible internal politics for the past 20 years ofcourse.

[@wamnicho]

Younger generations usually don't have the resources to immigrate, you guys think immigration is a walk in the park. I knew a young Russian lady that moved to new York city in 2008 with her American husband but ended up divorcing him after two years and then moved back to Russia because she didn't like the degeneracy she experienced in new York, like muggings, gay parades etc and didn't want her child growing up in that kind of environment

[@Lyzzzander]

@@Steelrat1994 you far too optimistic about losses. But don't worry, no one tell you the truth anyway

[@N0m5T3r]

@@Steelrat1994 Yes, that's the government's official line. Now ask yourself, do they benefit from not telling you the truth?

[@ararune3734]

18-44 is optimal child bearing age? On what planet? Optimal child bearing age is 16-24, biologically speaking. It's a different thing feminist propaganda indoctrinates women into choosing meaningless degrees that will lead them nowhere and if they're lucky enough to start a family by the time they're done it's going to be useless because it won't be put to use at all.

[@john_doe_not_found]

Autocracies have trouble building free societies based on relatively fair principles. If people do not want to live or struggle to live in the society offered, then they vote with their actions. They wither or leave. Russia has failed to build a thriving society because Putin keeps trying to re-write the world order instead of figuring out how his country could thrive within it. Dozens of countries have looked at rules based international order and figured out how to make their people rich. Even those countries struggle with birthrates because of inequality within their systems. Their youth are so indebt that they cannot catch a break until they are in their 30s, and then they are too old to have kids. Different societies are failing their youth for different reasons. And most wealthy elderly are too greedy to care about what happens to their country after they are dead.

[@penderyn8794]

Russia since birth was genocidal ...many refuse to admit

[@bobpadok5331]

Democracy is dictatorship of majority.usa has been born as Republic and Jefferson never meant it to be rule of mob,but rule of law. Putin understand it and building Republic in Russia. History will remember him as bridge to such transformation from autocracy to republic.

[@KitagumaIgen]

Your first sentence is spectacular!

[@WillOrng]

Agree with most of this but plenty of people have kids in their 30s, or older.

[@leonieromanes7265]

@@WillOrng yes most people in my country don't start having children till they're in their thirties. Your twenties are for travelling and gaining qualifications.

[@AchyutChaudhary]

Fun fact: 🇷🇺Russia has a SMALLER population than 🇧🇩Bangladesh despite being over a 100 x times larger by area 😂😂

[@bellamethyst9281]

Pakistan and india still have more

[@wrpg9955]

I wouldn't be proud of that

[@bear.2d]

@@bellamethyst9281 wow how does a nation with 800k squared killiometres of land a nation with 3 million square killiometres of land have a larger population than a nation with 100k square killiometres of land, wooow im sooo surprised

[@gareth4592]

Theres like 3x more people of british descent in the world than russian, hundreds of years of terrible leadership that treats its citizens as cannon fodder and tools has completed destroyed Russian chances at being a superpower. If Russia was democratic and avoided Stalin, post soviet they would be 250million people and probably one of the largest economies on the planet with enormous influence. for perspective the UK is 1/100th the size of russia aswell :P

[@wrpg9955]

@@gareth4592 democracy isn't the answer to every problem and it can't generate Wealth the West isn't rich because it is a democracy it is rich because you colonized the world Democracy can't generate resurses and wealth

[@andrewemerson1613]

the best way to fix fertility rates (this won't fix Russia, that ship has sailed) is to raise wages offer more stability for people (there are a plethora of ways to do this) most young people want to have kids, but know they can't afford it. heck a bunch of people can't even find stable relationships because their lives are too unstable. fertility didn't start falling with industrialization, it started falling when wages stopped keeping up with the price of living back in the 60s

[@andrewemerson1613]

@Mr.Beant wages have not kept up with inflation for 60 years, meaning that in practice people make less. and that's not counting the costs that increase faster than inflation. those basics set out.... the gold standard has literally nothing to do with inflation. inflation is a function of supply and demand. all the gold standard did was make money inflexible, which is why basically every major economy decoupled from it almost every other decade whenever some major event destabilized the global economy. I would suggest learning more about the history of paper money, and then by extension fiat currency, it's really interesting. that reading recommendation aside. assuming your questions are in good faith. I will assert that the large majority of todays social ills are rooted, not in some magical moral failing or a lack of resources but rather a disproportionate misallocation of them. rather than make more reading recommendations, if you're not inclined to believe me at face value, which I mean, fair enough. I might suggest looking back at the economic policies from the middle of the last century, when we might all probably agree was the best time (economically) for most Americans say 45-60

[@andrewemerson1613]

@@ararune3734 angry incel, got it

[@ararune3734]

@Aditya Chavarkar Which right am I trying to take from anyone? Go on.

[@anandagarwal9253]

@@ararune3734 why especially Phillipines, there are other asean countries. Is there any similar culture between Europe and Philippines?

[@ararune3734]

@@anandagarwal9253 Well sure there is, Philippines used to be a Spanish colony, but also their English is relatively good. It was a random example to get a point across, but I do see loads of examples of specifically Filipina women coming here which is why it's the first one I thought of. They seem to like the deal, they seem quite compatible in terms of values and the guys seem quite happy with them.

[@idraote]

Countries cannot be at the same time "fiscally conservative" as you elegantly put it (the real word is stingy) and expect a high birthrate. Most countries' economies are no longer based on agriculture and children are no longer arms for the fields but something you must be able to afford to have. That's the exact same problem as in China. The one-child policy has done its share of damage, but the truth is that overworked couples earning barely enough to scrape by won't have children, especially if daycare, maternity leaves and such are not there in the first place.

[@somethinglikethat2176]

I think they could still manage fiscal conservatism with a decent birth rate if Putin and co weren't so corrupt. Their government minus the corruption from the 90's onwards has robbed them of the chance to have good policies and a government budget surplus.

[@idraote]

@@somethinglikethat2176 but Russia has been running a surplus in the last few years. By cutting much of its welfare.

[@idmssebms2734]

Would be great to learn about the impact of the brain drain. Particularly how many tech workers have left as a percentage of tech workers

[@buddyboyingtonesq.231]

their native tech is garbage

[@robin_nohood2515]

one thing i do think y'all should have mentioned is the echo's of WW2. during WW2 80% of the males born in 1923 died. with lower but still really high percentages for other birth years. this made it so that when those generations reached child bearing age there were a lot less men (and women to a lesser extent) than normal. so their children were a much smaller generation, but then those children's children also had a smaller generation

[@bobfg3130]

Not relevant anymore.

[@swamidude2214]

Yes it also explains the 90’s dip, because the grandparents of the children that should have been born then died in the war.

[@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022]

"During WW2, 80% of Soviet men from 1923 died" is quite misleading. According to statistics, a boy born in 1923 USSR had about 63% chance of surviving beyond WW2. Which should further be augmented by the fact that about 41% of boys born in 1923 were already dead by 1939 because of infant mortality and early childhood deaths. So, in reality, about 25% of boys born in 1923 USSR died during WW2.

[@serhiy1132]

@@bobfg3130 not relavant anymore. what are you talking about

[@giantWario]

@@serhiy1132 It very much still is relevant: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnuYZ4CPlp6Kbq8&ab_channel=RealLifeLore

[@jerolvilladolid]

FYI Ukraine’s median age is actually older than Russia. Its on a par with Spain and Germany’s elderly ages. Which makes the situation more tragic

[@anabergespolo8631]

But that's because in Ukraine quality of life is a lot more european (higher) than in Russia. That's why russian troops were literally looting washing machines from Ukraine, because they can't afford those things there (at least the rural population). It's not because Ukraine doesn't have kids, at least for the moment if Russia doesn't manage to kidnap them all

[@valierebrianne9643]

Ukraine has a far lower alcoholism rate than Russia. I think more Ukrainian men are living to old age.

[@ketzexi6276]

@@valierebrianne9643 I've been to ukraine lol. Not sure about alcohol but everyone on the street was smoking. Everyone. It was impossible to escape.

[@Tonyx.yt.]

@@valierebrianne9643 lower but not so much, situation in ukraine is even worse, in the last 31 years ukraine lose 1/5 of his population, yeah from 50 milion in 1991 to 40 today and for 40 i mean before february 2022

[@Anonymous-qj3sf]

Lol that's not true. The average life expectancy in Ukraine is 70 years. In Russia, the average life expectancy is 73 years

[@thebumpercar1344]

I think it also needs to be mentioned that from Putin (and the ethnic Russians') perspective, the population growth is happening to the "wrong" people. I read one demographic analysis that shows that most of the new children being born in Russia are being born in the rural areas, to non-ethnic Russians. If you isolate the demographics for the ethnic Russians alone, the numbers look even worse.

[@dimmadometv]

I think they could handle by instituting pro-natalist and religious legislation, and try to lead their society in the right way. It shouldn't be that bad in russia compared to western Europe and America, but it will be pricey. But it definitely could happen, 1) because Russia's economy is actually built on something and not just a giant ponzi scheme 2) Russia doesn't have a 100% gdp to debt ratio like a lot of european countries and the US.

[@ramr7051]

@@dimmadometv haha yes, pro -religious and natalist legislation. I'd surely want to have kids in a totalitarian police state, mostly disconnected from the free world, and with terrible economic prospects. Just roll the tanks over to Russian households and demand children at gunpoint! That should work, according to the Kremlin.

[@richardarriaga6271]

@@dimmadometv Oil is not the best thing to build the economy around. Even Saudi Arabia realizes this. Venezuela learned the hard way.

[@dimmadometv]

@@richardarriaga6271 it more then just oil. Russia has huge reserves of iron, nickel platinum, titanium, copper, tin, lead, diamonds, phosphates, gold, and timber, they are in a much advantageous situation then America because they can become truly self sufficient, something unheard of in this modern globalized society.

[@thebumpercar1344]

@@dimmadometv : Nah, history has shown that being rich in easily extracted resources leads to problems. The only country that has been resource rich that has been able to dominate the globe has been the United States, and it's the exception rather than the rule. All the other countries that have been world powers - the UK, the Dutch, the Spanish, the Romans, the Mongols - have been from places that have been resource poor.

[@josephturner7305]

I lived in a school district for some time in the U.S. that didn't give me free lunch. I had single disabled mother of no fault of my own, was not allowed to work myself, and simply had to suffice. I would be so embarrased by my stomache groans in the afternoon. Now granted I lived in a conservative district that hated welfare parents, and before I lived there I did get free lunch, but for two and a half years vending machine popcorn was my only food at school (my mother would come up with some meager vending machine money most days). The point of this is for the commenter to realize an american audience is not completely foreign to hunger.

[@bobjones2041]

Fine but Russia is the topic here and Russia decided to invade Ukraine to rid it of "right wing terrorists and drug addicts" which up until 2015 was acceptable to liberals the world over singing "Russians love their children too"

[@mrbaab5932]

I thought that free lunch was a state and federal programs and not local.

[@hylacinerea970]

oh yeah, well said. i’m american and grew up severely food insecure & malnourished. i never drank chocolate milk growing up, it was pediasure- a medical drink designed for starving children

[@HelloEdits613]

still poverty is rare in the usa especially compared to other countries

[@bobjones2041]

@@hylacinerea970 oh yeah well all we had at one was diluted eter

[@callum5733]

if anyone is interested in more videos on demographics, PolyMatter has a great series "Demographic Collapse - China's Reckoning" - highly recommended

[@DennisFang1]

Amazing video

[@bobfg3130]

PolyMatter is sometimes filled with bs.

[@bobfg3130]

@@100c0c Yes, but the Chinese can and will fix it. This is why they've eliminated the 2 child policy in favour of a 3 child policy...among other things.

[@jwhite5008]

Russia did not have a 1-child policy so our situation is not nearly as hopeless in this regard. Although if economic situation does not improve the most productive and capable people will leave Russia.

[@shutupMaji]

@@bobfg3130 those policies haven't worked though have they

[@atinofspam3433]

I say the same thing about China’s birth rate crisis, and it applies to Russia too. The reason their birthrates are so low, is that surprisingly people don’t want to live in an oppressive dictatorship (strange I know), so that means people are leaving and not having children in these countries.

[@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986]

South Korea and Taiwan have the lowest birth rates in the world and they are both democratic. Many of the countries in sub Saharan Africa with high birth rates are dictatorships the political system has little to do with how many babies each woman chooses to have

[@crttsome7504]

The U.S. population is also shrinking.

[@spookyghostwriter3110]

@@crttsome7504 the US still has immigration to rely on, and as a whole is better than a lot of countries to their south. Russia and China have… very bad relationships with their neighbours, and certainly don’t have immigration to prop up low birth rates.

[@ajaykumarsingh702]

@@spookyghostwriter3110 China had the one child policy, that's why their population curbed. Now they have a 3 child policy, so China ain't going down in demographics.

[@magniwalterbutnotwaltermag1479]

@@ajaykumarsingh702 the problem is that people also saw the three child policy as bad and the reason it exists is to encourage the birth of girls since the boys outnumber them, the situation is incredibly worse since domestic violence and social heirarchy is dominated by males and many families that already have a boy will mostlikely not want to have a girl aswell because they see them as more trouble than they are worth policy be damned

[@spelunkerd]

A slide backward to Soviet style economics and isolation is devastating news for young people looking for work outside of the narrow corridor of oil and coal. It would be wise for young people to get out now, while they still can.

[@Jake-co8xu]

If people in your country are avoiding building a family there and new immigrants are reluctant to immigrate, then you know something about your country is very wrong. Normally people want to have families, and even if they don't, there are always people from around the globe who would like to live in your country.

[@S5Dic09]

not necessarily, Russian like Japan have though language to master, that is big deterrant for the classic immigrants (africans, muslims, indians, chinese) and then the country do not allow itself to be exploited for free a lá Canada, Germany where you can live off the taxes of the working population for the case of the lower class and not having high salaries for the case of the actual qualified class

[@Jake-co8xu]

@@S5Dic09 I wasn't talking about immigrants that come for welfare, I'm talking about skilled immigrants that want to actually start a new life somewhere else. And also it is generally dumb to generalize all people based on ethnicity. Not all Africans/Indians/Chinese/Muslim exploit the system. There are many of them who are well educated and want to immigrate because the living standards are better.

[@vkrgfan]

The birth rate is dropping everywhere who wants to bring kids into this crazy world?

[@vkrgfan]

@@Jake-co8xu People will go there where they can acquire resources, the US is winning geographically because it’s separated from others by natural barrier oceans so it has better protection from military conflicts. Russia has been in turmoil most of its existence and suffered many invasions from East and the West. I think this war in Ukraine is a breaking moment for Russians, the national identity revived in both countries and now it will be easier to determine who stands with whom.

[@ignatiusryd2031]

@@vkrgfan Sure birthrate is dropping everywhere but luckly for Japan and South Korea there are still lots of educated immigrants wants to move to Japan and Korea thanks to its well spent money on promoting Japanese and Korean culture worldwide which decenlty replace the aging populations in both countries eventough language were appeared as the biggest barrier. Unfortunately for russia, its not the case for them since russian govt were rarely ever spent much of their money to promoting russia and russian culture worldwide.

[@MrEdmie]

Saying that Russia was a developed nation multiple times cracked me up!

[@MontyGumby]

well it's industrialized, no ?

[@worlddd7777]

Well, they did send first man in space and were first nation to eliminate illeteracy in history

[@Tonyx.yt.]

Developed didnt mean wealthy. Cuba gdp per capita and wages must looks like a 4th world country but has the very same life expectancy of US.

[@martinm8991]

The actual count of citizens really living IN Russia has been always expected to be some 20 million less around year 2010. On the other hand, China encourages its citizens to relocate to Russia. So that large portion of Russian territory will be inhabited by Chinese. Crimea strategy to follow...

[@HelloEdits613]

china doing what us did to texas lol

[@spookyghostwriter3110]

Person of Chinese descent here: China did own a piece of Russia in the past, and given their history with things they once ruled, I would not be surprised if they wanted those bits back from a crippled Russia.

[@MajinOthinus]

@@spookyghostwriter3110 I'm prertty sure they will get those bits back, the question is just about it being sooner or later and seeing how things are going I'd wager sooner rather than later.

[@MontyGumby]

@@MajinOthinus i disagree. the CCP is just about THE MOST PRAGMATIC entity on the planet. 1. Russia has LOTs of nukes and the Russian temperament & characteristic is not shy to use it - especially against easterners. 2. No leadership in the world in its right mind would touch a territory populated by (mostly) Russians or Russian-speaking people. 3. China has very light and spotty expansion history in the north (cold weather) it's just not in the east Asian DNA. Basically we are far far away past colonial era and have been in nationalistic west phalian mindset. Territorial actions have huge consequences. you don't deal with territories like housing buying.

[@nicholasbrus8628]

Lower population results in less pollution, less deforestation, less destruction of wilderness and wildlife habitat, less overcrowding in towns and cities, etc ...

[@mrsalwaysright6478]

I'm honestly impressed by the time and effort you put into these videos. Keep it up! 👍

[@daniell1483]

I learned about this ages ago and was waiting to see the results of the attempts to drive up the fertility rate. I can't say I am surprised they aren't working very well. These "great" benefits are what I'd expect to be the norm, so I am kind of surprised it had any effect at all.

[@daniell1483]

@@Vercur Many developed nations are experiencing a similar problem. I think Russia and Japan are the biggest victims of this trend of low fertility and an aging population. Some countries are able to help plug the gap with immigrants. Considering we are already exceeding Earth's carrying capacity, population reduction wouldn't be such a horrible thing, but it needs to be closely managed. Especially in Nigeria, India, and China.

[@PlaystationMasterPS3]

$7000 morgange credit? boring. call ma back when they hand out free public housing to couples with 3+ kids, then you'll really see change

[@daniell1483]

@@PlaystationMasterPS3 Exactly my point. If Russia was willing to drop its pretense of being a superpower, it'd be able to funnel a big part of its former military budget into public housing, tax incentives, more extensive child care options, and so on. A nation is its people and Putin is burning the harvest so he can act like a bully internationally when he is 100% aware of the population issue. It is so backward.

[@ketzexi6276]

Actually the tax cuts and assistance for families with 3+ children have helped more than you think in Russia, especially when compared to the US. My uncle there already has 4 kids and he's doing very well.

[@ketzexi6276]

@@PlaystationMasterPS3 They had some sort of free land program for larger families but like most things in russia it suffered from poor management because it was put upon the governments of the oblasts

[@rockinbobokkin7831]

didn't mention TB,HIV/AIDS, or rampant heroin addcton. Basically, it's even worse than this video describes.

[@alanparsonsfan]

Yes was going to mention those. I suspect that one or more of them act synergistically in a bad way with the alcohol and smoking.

[@nobody7232]

Great info, thanks...

[@r.rsmith]

Correction: Shrink is not the same as Decrease, both have different contexts and interpretations to it

[@huldanoren951]

I think the reason why young people aren't having any children and why pro-natalist policies don't work is that in our current situation, we aren't sure if our children are gonna have a future. Many of us are also in horrible economic situations, and we know that children are just gonna make it worst. Not to mention we also know that it will put only more strain on the climate. Voluntary extinction in a way. Based on this, I believe the best pro-natalist policies are actually climate and economic equality policies, because that would actually give our kids a chance.

[@vitalii-dan]

Ironically, this is what people in the richest, most liberal and most educated countries - best countries for children's future - think. Carrying out, in fact, the negative selection of humanity. Because people who really can't give their children any secure future had, have and will always have children without even thinking about anything

[@huldanoren951]

@LeoTheBritish-Eurasian Not having children will speed up this process

[@charmate661]

yah i dont want my kids to live as or worse than how miserable i am

[@kobemop]

the problem is capitalism (overproduction) not there being too much people

[@huldanoren951]

@@kobemop Less people will still decrease emissions. Plus, not having children will still be good for your own economic situation. PLUS, basic empathy means we don't have children in the current state of the world.

[@arah2368]

Some reports about Ukrainian children deported to Russia yesterday. It’d be nice if you could make a video about Russian war crimes. Some hyperbole will be there no doubt but still would be good to know how many of the allegations are reasonably supported by current evidence.

[@scotandiamapping4549]

Given how KZbin works that'd probably be a Nebula video

[@marilenaganea6578]

Estimated number of kidnapped Ukrainians is at about 400.000, some of them kids.

[@Steelrat1994]

@@marilenaganea6578 should we say europe has kidnapped millions of Ukranians then? Those aren't kidnapped people, those are just refugees. There were over 10 millions ethnically russian people un Ukraine, before all of this started. People that considered themselves russian despite living in Ukraine. Where do you think they are going to flee from war? To europe where they are going to be treated as foreigners, have no friends, where they don't know the language and have no real future? Or to Russia, whose language they know and use every day and where they most likely have relatives and friends.

[@marilenaganea6578]

@@Steelrat1994 1. Europe didn't deport Ukrainian people with a gun aimed at them. 2. Ukrainian people which chose to leave in Russia why didn't do it by their own will before this invasion started? Would have taken away from Putin the bogus reason fo which he invaded. 3. If someone is bombing my house I would go and embrace them? That's 🐂💩 and you know it 4. The Ukrainian people that went in Europe didn't have their passports taken away and destroyed, their phones searched and destroyed like the ones deported in Russia

[@sinoroman]

if soldiers aren’t doing it, then it is just kidnapping or human-trafficking. in that case, not war crimes

[@homerj806]

Two of my favorite KZbinrs are Russians. One have already left Russia and set up shop in the Republic of Georgia. He has been filming walking around Tbilisi. The other is putting her affairs in order then she will also leave Russia, more likely to western Europe where she already have family. Both are young college graduates. The Russian brain drain had been going before Ukraine but now it just accelerated.

[@letolethe3344]

She better get the fuck out soon. Soon P's gonna close the borders soon and no one will get out just like NK.

[@ThorsMartell]

You're missing another important point, possibly for reasons of pc: Russia is a multi-ethnic country. The demographic crises doesn't effect all the ethnicitie equally. Orthodox Russians, speaking Russian as native language are overeffected by the demographic crises (low fertility and emmigration) while Muslims keep on getting more due to immigration from central Asia and high fertility rate. Ethnic tensions in Russia keep on rising...

[@Zycoreination]

To be fair, essentially every "developed" country has a demographic issue

[@user-cq9pl4vv9j]

👍Yes, but the magnitude of those issues varies. It would have been interesting for TLDR to show the demographic differences within Russia among the various ethnic groups and regions.

[@ulfosterberg9116]

But in a developed country there is migration of educated people and uneducated gets to be educated. In Russia they import uneducated people mostly from places like Turkmenistan and others "Stans" they are the only ones that want to come. And with all the educated Russians leaving.... One good thing with importing Muslims however is that they don't drink alcohol. Perhaps Russia will be reasonable sober in some twenty years.

[@ulfosterberg9116]

@Aditya Chavarkar why bad for Germany there is piles of educated people who come to Germany and contribute to their wealth.

[@Zycoreination]

@@user-cq9pl4vv9j I agree, I would watch that TLDR 👍

[@unknownfrenchman5371]

@@ulfosterberg9116 Muslims will communitarise themselves into countries. Look at bosnia or kosovo. The same can also be said about jews.

[@Sgt_Bill_T_Co]

Alcoholism reduces male sperm count, and after prolonged time seriously affect the ability to attain a full erection, coupled with the short term same day consequences of being drunk and this must at least have some effect on the situation.

[@nick0340]

Spot on. If a man cannot make semen, there will be fewer babies produced.

[@clarac4491]

Really interesting topic!

[@Vzzdak]

Several decades of evidence shows that single-parent families tend towards less overall wealth. As pointed out in the video, policy benefits towards raising children are not working. That is to say, a steady paycheck represents more security than a compensation package. We know that a woman needs a sense of security before child rearing would be considered. Therefore, for the birth rate to normalize, traditional married families are required, where one partner has an income that supports their living standards. So in democratic countries, business practices that push down wages has the perverse effect of discouraging families, which leads to an aging population. But this is worse in totalitarian regimes, such as China and Russia, where the leadership make themselves wealthy at the expense of the general population (and then lament that families are not having enough children).

[@bleddynwolf8463]

i do agree that higher wages would make more people have kids, almost no one my age (16), wants to have children, i might personally, but i'd personally rather use a donor than my own sperm, as my genes are fucked as all hell

[@D4PPZ456]

@@bleddynwolf8463 they dont want kids because they are young and they have no expectation to be able to care for them. You can either work 60 hours a week to feed them and neglect them emotionally, or you can work 40 hours and not be able to afford them in the first place.

[@bleddynwolf8463]

@@D4PPZ456 yeah

[@Emanon...]

Sure, except the lowest fertility rates by far are in developed countries (Japan, Korea, Italy). Perhaps it's not only a matter of wages, but the problem that career opportunities are actively hampered by having children in many fields of work. You won't make as much money for your corporate overlords if you're less willing to work overtime or on holidays.

[@bleddynwolf8463]

@@Emanon... yeah, thats defiantly a factor as well

[@joeseeking3572]

Not to mention alcoholism... Anyone else struck by thought that our narrator has watched literally hundreds of Simon Whistler presentations?

[@jenniferclark9842]

I was thinking that too.

[@PobortzaPl]

A Westerner, grown in democratic country, would look at Russian demographic and said "well, they can't wage war now, it might destroy their society for generations!" A person who grew in a country, say, not fully democratic would observe "damn, they have less and less time fir waging a war, their neighbours should be on the lookout"

[@worlddd7777]

A westerner usually is brainwashed his entire life, just like Russians are. For example, Clinton, Bush and Obama attacked 9 countries and killed 6 million civilians, nobody talks about it. US ally Saudi Arabia attacked Yemen in 2015, and until today killed million civilians, not a single word in western media. In Syrian war, couple of cities were completely destroyed by US bombs, not a single word in media and so on and so on

[@PobortzaPl]

@@worlddd7777 For fucks sake! There were massive protests against invasion on Iraq 2003 In 1999 people in my country were cheering when Serbs shot down F117 Wars in Iraq, Afghanistan were criticised for how they were conducted even in USA. Nobody got set to jail for calling these 3 conflicts "wars", despite technically on the grounds of US political practise they weren't considered as such - only Senate can proclaim war. Nobody got send to prison just gor commenting how those wars were conducted by US. Chelsea Manning was convicted on the grounds of breaking the rules concerning classified documents, but once infos she procured got out none was persecuted fir using it Everybody who knows anything about world knows that war in Yemen still goes on. Everybody knows that neither Saudi Arabia and Iran are officially a side in it, but everyone knows whom they're backing. Most people I know cheers any attacks against Saudi Arabian infrastructure because fuck all empires and the tanks they rode in. As for Syria - it's Syrian government and its ally Russia who did the most bombing and committed atrocities using cluster munitions. You had forgotten about Rohingya people and Israeli actions against Palestinians. Like 2 days ago IDF shot a woman, didn't provided any first aid to her (she wasn't killed on the spot) and she died. Also access to mosque in Jerusalem was limited, with people bring beaten and detained by Israeli forces. How do I know all of that? I'm interested in military things and I'm leftist. I know where to look and whom listen to. There are media beside Fox News, CNN, RT and BBC.

[@worlddd7777]

@@PobortzaPl Uh man, do u know how i know things? I was in actual war back in 99 and seen first hand what was really going on

[@PobortzaPl]

@@worlddd7777 This means you know shit about things that were happening outside of that warzone. Nice of you to admit as much.

[@worlddd7777]

@@PobortzaPl It is pretty much same game for all warzones, details are different, but game is exactly the same.

[@thosewhowish2b693]

5:10 What an astounding photo right there, props to whoever took that shoot.

[@_Solaris]

I wonder if the high male mortality rate and low birth rate have to do with alcoholism and substance abuse. -and if so, is this connected to rampant corruption & lack of opportunity leading to a state of hopelessness to varying degrees? I don't know if this is true, but I'm thinking it might be.

[@Adsper2000]

All of these, but especially alcoholism. There’s a great video on this subject, “How Vodka Ruined Russia”.

[@charlesbridgford254]

In the 90s that was the case. Destructive behaviours following the fall of the Soviet Union.

[@nick0340]

Spot on. Alcoholism, substance abuse, smoking all contribute to a low semen rate and a high mortality rate. Egro, fewer babies.

[@Sphere723]

Also being an opposition party leader in Russia causes you to die early for some reason.

[@HopeRock425]

You should do a video on Ukraine's population decline, and how the war affects it.

[@stoneprevious4294]

I'm sure they will but it won't be until the situation stabilizes. Kind of hard to show the actual effects without solid data (speculation is for the weak).

[@donovanosetsky5844]

This only matters if your economic system is a predatory nightmare that demands we all toil at make work cubicle jobs because...well, you can't have peasants not toiling.

[@000Dragon50000]

So every single place, country or not, in the entire world, save for Rojava and a few other small anarchistic communes? (which are good don't get me wrong but yeah the rest of the world is fuuucked.)

[@mormacil]

The main issue is, we never found an alternative system that works on a mass scale. Everything breaks down in worse ways even scaled up.

[@donovanosetsky5844]

@@000Dragon50000 pretty much, yeah. Our technical abilities and productivity are truly beyond what most can fathom, If let loose we could all work at what really needs done and have 5 days of the week to live. All while fixing all the things. But instead we fight over what rich suit guys tell us. Ludicrous.

[@donovanosetsky5844]

@@mormacil bah, socialize politics call it democracy...do the same for economics. Not so hard, just an entrenched ruling class greedy to hold power.

[@000Dragon50000]

@@mormacil Eeeeh nothing in the entire libertarian-left sector of politics has been given a chance, it's always authoritarian left vs. authoritarian right with maybe a few right-wing centrists thrown in for spice.

[@rezzob]

money never works,solution is cultural

[@thexdatabase]

commies had a childless tax that worked

[@scifitoilet]

i think fertility rate issue is actually from even earlier in ww2 soviet era when they lost an absolutely insane number of young men. the reverberations of which we are still seeing in their demographics. add on all the other factors, and its not looking so great.

[@Greg31558]

The problem with those pro-natalist policies everywhere is that, at the end of the day, they're just a drop in the bucket. I have three kids myself, and they are ruinously expensive. I love them to death and am happy I had them, but that doesn't make the bills any less stressful (for context, our household income is right around the US median, so we should be fairly typical for a western family). Free lunches at school is nice, but that still leaves all the other meals for that kid and all the meals for the other kids that aren't in that relatively small age range. A one-time payment is nice, but they'll cost many, many times more than that over the years. The same applies to welfare payments. Don't get me wrong, all those things are nice and every little bit helps, but none of the benefits come anywhere near making having kids a good fiscal or career decision. Again, I love my kids and don't regret having them. Their existence makes me happier than not having to stress over money would. That's an entirely subjective, qualitative experience though, and so a rational person looking just at the quantitative evidence isn't going to see the merit. Yay society!

[@eatinsomtin9984]

Also, the US doesn't give any maternity leave

[@burningphoenix6679]

I’m sure sending tens of thousands of his young men to die is a great idea and won’t make this even worse.

[@coops1992]

And he is bombing ethnic Russians living in Ukraine too lol. This man gives 0 fcks about Russian people.

[@thegreedykrab7857]

All the men he's sending to the meatgrinder are ethnic minorities.

[@KhaalixD]

Great video!

[@andm6847]

am I confused or are the < and > mixed up in several graphics?

[@yt.personal.identification]

So, the smart people are leaving Russia. Got it.

[@MajinOthinus]

Not only the smart people, most people with some kind of education or skill are leaving. Most engineers working today in Russia for example, are over 50 and there are no replacements because for one, their education system collapsed in the 80s and secondly everyone that still got educated and could replace them gets far better offers in the West and leaves Russia. This ain't even brain drain anymore, at this point no one with any kind of perspective stays in Russia anymore.

[@alastair9446]

I don't think Saudi Arabia is actually third for migrants since those people will never get citzenship. Those people are just vistors and actually not part of the country.

[@eljanrimsa5843]

You may call them whatever you like in the privacy of your own narrow head. The rest of the world calls people who migrated to work somewhere else migrants.

[@_bbie]

@@eljanrimsa5843 Yes, I think what he meant is immigrants.

[@jwhite5008]

Most of those are essentially slave workers that are as much as a part of the country as US slaves were before their civil war. Some of their large number uses shady and illegal means to assimilate. And such a civil war may repeat there if situation is not improved. I think one way or the other, ex-migrant citizens will outnumber Arabs in a few centuries.

[@ararune3734]

@@eljanrimsa5843 Hey dummy, what he's saying is the situations are different. Whereas in other countries they're fully integrated, in Saudi Arabia they're temporary workers.

[@dawae2162]

@@eljanrimsa5843 slaves

[@marianlenehan9618]

very interesting…thanks

[@64jcl]

Russia has had some of the highest death rates from covid as well. Statistics on excess mortality from all causes show that Russia has had at times almost double the amount of deaths some months than any typical month. This could be because of its aging population with poor health that is generally were covid has hit hardest. In essence Putin likely lost about a million of his own "voters" (if there ever was such a thing) during the pandemic. And with the young people fleeing the country they sure have had a serious hit - and certainly not the best timing for invading a neighbouring country. The immense death tolls in the Russian army due to the excellent work from Ukranian forces also shows that Russia has lost as many people in 2 months as the US did in 20 years in Vietnam.

[@oranagamingthesequel5359]

No, the US suffered around 60,000 killed in Vietnam, with wounded only adding to that number. Russia has suffered 15,000 killed, with 2-3 times the amount wounded. Still high numbers but not as high.

[@SuperTonyony]

The extinction of Russia would be a boon to humankind.

[@VikingSummer]

This is incredibly good news!!

[@jwhite5008]

If you want harm for someone, please direct it to our government (who is largely unaffected by the crash because they knew of it beforehand and stored their money in dollars or offshore funds). I didn't vote for them. I didn't consent to killing my Ukrainian friends either. I cannot do anything to them. Yet now I bear not only severe economic problems but also your hatred.

[@chrissoto7187]

This is happening everywhere

[@DigitalVanquish]

I've thought this is part of the reason as to why the invasion of Ukraine had to happen now, because in a few years, relatively, he's not going to have much of an military - in terms of numbers.

[@frankieseward8667]

That's likely even faster now.

[@worlddd7777]

Invasion of Ukraine was mostly culmination of 8 year war, after west installed pro western government there. Situation is very complicated, after that it was clear that Ukraine must not fall in NATO hands, especially Crimea. Since 2014, about 14-000 Russian civilians were killed by Ukranian troops and there were plans for major offensive to retake regions were Russians wanted to separate. There was no way to avoid this war, because if Ukraine fall in US hands, in 10-15 years, Russia would be next. This war is bad, but so was every war US has done in past 70 years, keep in mind that US has invaded more countries than Russia and Germany combined.

[@valierebrianne9643]

@@worlddd7777 Stop fucking lying for Putin. It's pathetic. "Since 2014," oh you mean that year when Russia invaded and stole Crimea? "Situation is very complicated, after that it was clear that Ukraine must not fall in NATO hands" Oh, you mean that defensive alliance that Ukraine was seeking to join out of its own volition? UKRAINE IS A COUNTRY WITH ITS OWN AGENCY. IT CAN JOIN WHATEVER ALLIANCES IT WANTS TO JOIN. And it clearly NEEDED to join NATO, or Russia would invade, annex its land, level its cities, and murder and rape its citizens. Which, as it turns out, was the exactly what happened when it DIDN'T join NATO. Russia: The world champions of lying, the world champions of whataboutism.

[@000Dragon50000]

One major error in this video is that the tax burden of older population averages neccessarily falls on the entire younger generation. It really doesn't have to, we could fund this with some of the absurd amounts of excess wealth the rich have, but that would involve not letting assholes hoard enormous piles of resources far beyond what they'll ever need for the rest of their lives.

[@huldanoren951]

I can't believe our population has to decrease for our government to actually do this

[@xerisxeris4245]

Maybe for a single person their wealth is enormous but compared to the expenses most countries incur on welfare it is nothing. Besides, most of their so-called wealth is stock market shares, not money.

[@000Dragon50000]

​@@xerisxeris4245 People use stock market shares like a gotcha, but like, it's the rich person equivalent of swapping money for poker chips, gambling on whether or not a business will do well, and then maybe cashing out. Plus that's just the already accumulated wealth, they have bullshit high incomes too, taxation of which is perfectly suited to the ongoing costs of welfare systems. (When those welfare systems don't just net save the government money, like what'd happen if the US implemented the same public healthcare as every other rich bloody country has by now.) Speaking of saving money over all, you know what'd help with that? Not funding overinflated militaries, not CONTINUING TO SUBSIDISE FOSSIL FUEL COMPANIES WHILST THEY'RE KILLING THE PLANET. Plus like the tax rate used to be MUCH higher (like 70% for the richest of the rich) and guess what? None of the bad things people scaremonger about when you suggest it now happened. The economy was just fine actually.

[@ulfosterberg9116]

I don't think you should walk the streets of Moscow with a placard that says that. It might be dangerous....

[@baggienass9162]

Why are they assholes for being rich?

[@nehukybis]

For a -racist- ethnonationalist like Putin, the demographic situation is even worse than that. For him, the total population of Russia isn't what counts. What counts is the population of ethnic Russians. That's one of the reasons he's extremely reluctant to fully mobilize. Up until now, ethnic minorities have suffered most of the casualties in his -war- special military operation. If he mobilizes, he'll lose more ethnic Russians (along with his popularity among them). Putin's real blunder from the -racist- ethnonationalist point of view is the increased emigration of young, educated ethnic Russians. On the one hand, Putin may be glad to see them go, because they might otherwise form the core of resistance to his regime. But from a demographic point of view, Russia can ill afford to lose them. Far from being the savior he purports to be, Putin may be driving the final nail in the coffin.

[@wiseass2149]

Yup

[@Jartran72]

100% Sadly for all the people that will die for nothing but maybe it will finally bring an end to Putins power and the danger coming from him to thje world. I doubt it will end soon though

[@ramr7051]

Very well put!

[@Friedfoodie]

The birth rate of 1.5 you mentioned is actually much worse. The 1.5 is the published figures. The Russian prefectures around the country get more money if they submit enlarged figures. Added to the fact that it appears that targets were introduced across the country. So it was in their interest to massage the figures or get into trouble.

[@onamission1848]

I think you had a typo. You wrote >2.1 for population decline when you should have written . I know it's just a small typo and not trying to criticise you, I make many typos myself and the video was excellent. Thank you.

[@Architectofawesome]

The ironic thing is that a lot of 20-30-year-olds just run out of Russia or were arrested in protests. And all the young conscripts they just threw into Ukraine to die. Russia is so dead it's not even good for karma.

[@svetlanaivnitskaya3504]

I think to solve this problem first of all the war has to be stopped.And then Russia should convert to a European style democracy and have more singles parties everywhere!

[@tubiesandro]

Guys! I need to point out that of late I'm spotting a few spelling mistakes in your graphics in several of you videos. Here, for instance, ‘‘"Motality" Rate Comparison’’. It's not the end of the world and your videos are still of very high quality and extremely informative. But it's something small that's easy to fix and worth mentioning.

[@rasko1359]

Hello, Where did you reference this information from?

[@caseyford3368]

Putin can't. But someone who actually cares about the people could.

[@Ellipsis115]

1:50 Yet another error with your visual aids for maths and graphs. It's 2.1 (greater than 2.1). These things are small but they keep happening, if you strive to convince a wider audience you are credible such perceived carelessness isn't a good look. 7:00 It would also help to put sources in the description so people don't go copying a full link character by character. This is supposed to be digestable TL;DR news, right?

[@bustamoveorelse]

Jesus the pedantic patrol is here. Its a youtube channel, not a million dollar backed news outlet. They make mistakes.

[@AutisticCumsock]

I totally agree, it feels like every video theres guaranteed to be an audio or graphical issue, because there’s no attention to detail

[@spacecraftcarrier4135]

These sorts of mistakes keep happening for .... almost a year now? Lol. It's clear TLDR priorotizes speed of uploads vs. accuracy. They never double check their work or comments. Hell some of their mistakes can even be as stupid as displaying the wrong flag, forgetting to highlight one country as part of the EU, or saying that India is part of East Asia lmao. That's why I am now unsubscribing from this channel: way too many mistakes for so called "news".

[@rjfaber1991]

I've said they need to hire a spellchecker/proofreader for months now. It's mental how they spend all those hours animating their videos, but can't spare thirty minutes just to correct these mistakes that réálly impact how credibly they come across.

[@NoBudjetFilms]

Man, this next century is going to be rough.

[@mys31f70]

Someone should put an editor's note that the bigger sign should be replaced by the smaller sign

[@Metalblowing]

A bit of additional insight. All based on a former worker of ros-stat, which is basically government tasked agency that is supposed to count demographic statistics. 1. There is no statistics anymore in Russia. Ros-stat became a part of a larger economic ministry and now has to count data that fits their (eco) stats. It's all fixed. 2. Putin provided something called the "may orders". These orders are basically high level numbers and principles that all Russian agencies should follow. Now since Russian is a totalitarian government with insane corruption, all stats are made to fit Putin's numbers. So nobody really knows how many people are born, dead, alive. All numbers have a great margin of mistake. 3. Whole Russian regions are faking stats because stats are connected to regional funding. You raise your population rates, you get more cash. Realistically, nobody will ever try to reconcile these numbers. 4. This guy (from ros-stat) was literally prosecuted and fired for talking about these issues. 5. Young and smart people are leaving Russia in insane numbers. 6. Russian males still die way more then women. Mostly sue to alcoholism. Some regions like Yakutia are working hard to ban alcohol. 7. Russia is less than 65% gas covered. There are whole regions and cities that use coal and wood for heating food/water. This all comes down to excess air pollution and lower life expectancy. So yeah, there's a ton of shit happening. This is why Russia wants to take Belarus and Ukraine. Large population of healthier, more educated, younger males and females. They are literally staling people in Ukraine and forcefully moving them to Russia now. Taking away passports and phones. Crazy bastards. Writing this from Ukraine. Have family in Russia and spent there many years in Penza region.

[@eliahabib5111]

In addition when using only stats that fit the narrative instead of those that actually matter you can spin the data however you like. Example use the high mortality rate to prove a demographic issue for people up to their 60s. This strongly correlate to life expectancy amd add nothing to the information already provided by the first number. The relevant value is mortality rate up to when human are fertile. Historically the under 35, which isn't true anymore. This is the reason you need a fertility rate of 2.1 to avoid poluation decline. If your child/young mortality rate is high you need more. If it zero you can get away with a fertility of 2. Providing data for immigrant or emigrant, but not both, nor the net. Speaking about high education of emigrant and not proving any corresponding information about immigrant (in this case I don't expect any surprise, but is a common logical spin tactic). Talking about the casualties in army as if it is a big deal, when even if all the russian troops that partecipated in the invasion were whiped out its effect would be minimal (hundres of thousand of troops vs a population in the hundreds of million. The current cassualties are not event near 0.1%). Putin and Russia do have a demographic issue, even if the stats are number picked from a hat with no link to reality. This video is pinnig the information available is a way that is in the best news agency tradition.

[@KateeAngel]

Some of rosstat stats are actually accurate still. Like they didn't hide insane rise in mortality during 2020-2021

[@nick0340]

To really check on the death rate in Russia, have a look at the size and extent of the cemeteries over time. Easy to check by talking with the locals about how much the cemetery has expanded and taken away farm land. Also, walk through the cemetery to see when people died and in what year.

[@smb123211]

We forget (because we take it for granted) that a visit to embassy row anywhere in the world reveals lines at the US, UK, Canadian and French embassies trying to immigrate. Thus far I have never seen a line for Russia or China. We forget that more students come to study in the US than any other nation. Russian society (not just the population ) is collapsing. Marriage is rare, alcoholism is rampant, higher education is decades behind, a few former KGB thugs control a large percent of the wealth, censorship, freedom of assembly and an independent judiciary are gone, political opponents are arrested or assassinated and there is little to suggest change any time soon.

[@vaclavkrpec2879]

1:27: I know I look like maths police here, but the comparison operator is inverted. 1:50: ditto

[@DannyHeywood]

A lot of people in their Armed Forces are dying for some reason?

[@Kaizen917]

The fact the ageing population is a major factor hints that Russia already has that problem since the 1990s. We had it going on in Bulgaria which is why people half-jokingly would say Communism was more devastating than a war. On emmigration, regardless if you are a poor person going abroad to work as a gardener or highly educated one with lots of skill/capital, its all a pure loss to the country by making that move abroad. Its hard to see from the beginning and governments often prefer to see 1 emmigrant = 1 less person unemployed when it suits them not to do much about it (+such pro-natal policies are with long term intentions so way past the current government mandates),

[@bobfg3130]

And that joke is...wrong. The issue appeared after the fall of "communism". Basically, "capitalism" did that, not "communism".

[@TenFalconsMusic]

. If you've ever driven in Russia, you'll understand why their population is shrinking.

[@FreedomForever2010]

I have never been to Russia. Do you mean due to low population density? I'm guessing this is what you mean by "if you've ever driven," in other words, you drive for a long time and never see another person?

[@borisratnik9032]

@@FreedomForever2010 Ohhhhh, no! He means "have you ever watched any Russian Crash Videoes??" It's a f*cking bloodbath over there!

[@Alitacyan]

That thumbnail though holy shit 😆🤣🤣🤣👌

[@Trident023]

Don’t forget about the hiv rate off around 15-20% (conservative estimates, since Russia hasn’t published any data since 2005)

[@ablorenz]

LOL that's the funniest sh-t I've heard in years

[@NotShowingOff]

Japan has a demographic crisis. Ukraine does as well. However, the places in the world that have high birth rates, they have low life expectancy

[@ThoriberoCaroli]

5:12 Hate to be nitpicking, but isn'tthe fertility rate a change factor? Not a percentage number in of itself? 2,1 children produced per 2,0 adults, means the population change in percent was 5%. Not 2,1%.

[@ramr7051]

Yeah they got that wrong.

[@aldonabagusauskas4956]

Great news!

[@Just4Kixs]

@1:50, shouldn't the inequality sign be the other way? It reads incorrectly shown as "greater than 2.1"

[@thierryparte2506]

Makes sense the educated people are moving tf out of there

[@stevejohnson3357]

There was a time when a significant part of the adult male population of Paraguay went off the roster due to war. If you want to drive tanks over a piece of ground, you need soldiers to run them and if they are not present, you are constrained.

[@KateeAngel]

I am a young researcher and many of my former class mates emigrated. Unfortunately I cannot live Russia, mostly due to mental health problems, I am insanely scared of unknown situations and people

[@randombanana640]

1:53 "below 2.1" meanwhile it says >2.1

[@Azmarith]

It's highly likely that life expectancy is going to dramatically increase in the next couple of decades for develiped countries. Altos labs recently started with $3 billion in seed funding, plus there are emerging techniologies such as senolytic drugs and stem cells.

[@CoolMan-ig1ol]

Anything more than a 70 year life expectancy is (under current circumstances) useless.

[@tobiasL1991]

@@CoolMan-ig1ol You miss the point, many of those techs don't just prolong life, they make the years up to 70 much better too. It's why studies often focus on healthy years added or lost. Not just the raw when did they die.

[@CoolMan-ig1ol]

@@tobiasL1991 Not really. A, average person who lives to 75 years today is less healthier than one who lived upto 75 years 75 years ago. This is because we are artificially injecting medicines to increase lifespan (good thing) but it comes at a cost of reduced productivity.

[@jwhite5008]

The problem is not drugs to extend cell/tissue life. The problem is that planned cell degradation and death is a necessary step to offset cancer. Until we have a fully-functional treatment against metastasizing cancer, and also Alzheimer disease, we will not make much *real* progress into life extension beyond about 80-100 years.

[@Azmarith]

@@CoolMan-ig1ol @tobias1991 is correct. It's the difference between lifespan and healthspan. Lifespan is the number of years that you are alive, while healthspan is the number of years that you are healthy. Obviously healthspan is useless without healthspan. Sure, if current trends continue there will be a drop in both helthspan and lifespan in the future. Though this won't be the case with these new technologies. It focuses on treating the causes of aging, and not the symptoms as we currently do.

[@meinardsl]

This can also partially be explained by certain events that occurred in 1900's and 1940's. Those two lost generations are echoing through time and largely thanks to Putin himself, there is no stability or real prosperity in eastern Europe as a whole and as such having children of your own when you're struggling to cover your own daily needs is not something an educated person would typically aspire to do. Also, while I might have found some financial stability the future most definitely looks uncertain and if given a choice I most definitely wouldn't want to take part in this timeline we have created for ourselves so why would I bring an innocent life into this hostile mess of a world?

[@CodingAbroad]

It’s too cold there to mate

[@BS-ns6cb]

Lol.

[@alexpotts6520]

The 2.1 replacement figure has always seemed off to me. Certainly in developed countries, premature death (that is death before child-bearing age, let's say 30) is nowhere near a one-in-twenty occurrence. Perhaps it's a figure left over from an earlier era when infant mortality was higher?

[@karmaascendant3936]

There’s also people who either don’t or can’t have children that may need to be taken into account

[@alexpotts6520]

@@karmaascendant3936 They are part of the average figure though. Even if you want kids, if you don't have any you're still recorded as having zero kids for statistical purposes.

[@Timotheeee1]

@@karmaascendant3936 those who don't want children are part of the average, while those who can't are part of the 0.1 extra

[@jouniosmala9921]

The aim should be 2.6. Why? It's pretty constant that women have gotten about 0.5 fewer children than they have planned on average. When women aim for 2.1 the birth rate is 1.6 when women aim for 3 the birth rate is 2.5.

[@Kuolonen]

That's confirmation bias on your part. Go down the ladder in social class and you'll find people who will tell you they've seen plenty of people die before they reach adulthood. Go down even further and you'll find a class of people who will tell you one in twenty seems low.