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RV company sent a Cease and Desist letter demanding I remove two videos I did about RV frame failures.
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[@bikersoncall]

2:10 Liz, The FIRST mistake in any negotiation or conflict, is allowing a meeting between you, alone, and 2 or more adversaries, or company representatives, as in this case, that does NOT work to our advantage, ever. Your comment of intimidation is exactly what happens, intimidation, gaslighting, bullying. I'm pretty sure you realized this after the meeting, most people aren't generally aware of this dynamic.

[@PhotographerSteve]

Liz, very sorry to hear about the threats and have been made against the woman who has consecrate lanes provide objective reporting. Would you be a amenable to those in your community to set up support for a an attorney specializes in the area ? Would you be willing to keep up the videos? Wow we work through some investigation, PR and background on these individuals & corporation. There are some specific questions that will want to confirm first with this company. Does interstate commerce has a history that we may wish to see whether they have a pattern and practice of this type of behavior, that’s all I can say at the moment, we get into the work week this next week. It’s a card played out close to the way you described them will also put out to PR team members who work on national accounts, tasked with bringing corporate misbehavior remedies, to the consumer and the USATTY for this part of INDIANA. (I really am incensed when I become aware of women who get taken advantage of - although this happens across-the-board ) you’re doing a wonderful public service you are media and from the facts as you presented them does not appear prima facia. They have certainly not a good case, but certainly potentially a case against this company or company whoever is responsible or signatory to the email you received for cease-and-desist, please contact me off-line by email at your convenience again I’m certain you have a tremendous amount of support you take it very seriously when reporters are threatened when what they report on attempted to be locked away by those reported on because the content of a story contains information that is not “good news/reporting” for them

[@mhughes1160]

Armstrong said the space craft was built by the lowest bidder R. V. S. Are built by the Cheapest labor . LoL 😂

[@thendisnye7188]

Doesn't the video fall under freedom of speech / expression?

[@ghostman6074]

Zackly

[@3121813]

These companies threatening her just lost tons of future customers by threatening legal actions for their bad products.

[@LizAmazing]

Thank you for your support!!

[@vasilyru]

No they don’t. And they know that. Unless we ALL agree to stop buying ALL new RVs… pretty much any RV now is based on Lippert’s components… and that probably a reason majority of them is crap. It’s hard to make an ice cream out of crappy parts. Liz, may the force be with you. You doing the right thing. That said, listen to your lawyers, it’s not a fair game.

[@PatrickBaptist-vv2bg]

Yeah I'm gonna make a video myself, I've salvaged RVs before, they are made like crap, people need to wake up and realize they aren't worth looking at much less owing money on.

[@rodniegsm1575]

These companies want to keep scamming people. I was looking at the interiors of the airstream, and for the money, you get a subpar luxary and cheap construction components

[@wideawaketotruth5301]

I'm with you 100%! Clearly tipion is a dishonest company!

[@ralphpond2121]

I am a retired attorney. Among other issues, I defended hundreds of defamation claims during my 35 years of litigation practice. The "cease and desist" letter you received is a common intimidation tactic. Stand your ground. I will be amazed if Tiffin or Lippert is foolish enough to actually file suit against you for commercial defamation. It would not be worth the bad "press." Remember, truth is an absolute defense to defamation claims. So long as what you say in your videos is true, the law protects you. If you do get sued, I recommend you search for an attorney who will defend you pro bono, in exchange for the goodwill and positive "press" he/she would get. I own an Oliver travel trailer because it is reputed to be better built that its competitors. When shopping for our trailer, I chose to avoid any RV built by a company owned by Thor, based, in part, on videos like yours. I am a new subscriber because of this video.

[@LizAmazing]

Hi Ralph! Welcome to the channel. I sure appreciate your take on this. Lippert's beef is with me reading the informant's comments. I will likely edit the video to remove them. Not worth the aggravation. And good for you for buying an Oliver. I did a video about them last year, they seem really great!!!

[@timc3639]

Just imagine the issues they’ll have to deal with when Liz legal team sends letters demanding information re QC, internal discussions etc

[@newenglandpats59]

It’s a buff. They would only be bringing exposure to themselves for selling junk.

[@nunya2954]

@@LizAmazing I would not cave in, no and nope. Then they win, they don't have anything on you.

[@TheDjcarter1966]

​@@LizAmazing This is best move just edit out the parts they are worried about while keeping the main thrust of the video

[@walkingleafaviation]

The saddest part of this is that the company is willing to spend whatever it takes to get you to stop, but not spend what is needed in order to improve quality of product.

[@sharper68]

Sending that letter is a cheap first step ...

[@xrscott]

⁠@@sharper68getting lawyers involved is never cheap

[@sharper68]

@@xrscott Depends on if you have one at your finger tips, a couple hundred bucks at the most if you have a retainer. He would likely just be signing it anyway.

[@IAmBoredToo]

@@xrscott They have several "in-house" lawyers.

[@xrscott]

@@IAmBoredToothat they are paying big bucks to instead of using that money on resources to fix the problem

[@behrens97]

You know you are effective when billion dollar companies are that afraid of one content creator

[@esterdrass4964]

Right. The big giant company with all the suits sitting around the table and the high paid lawyer, figuring out a way to shut the ONE KZbinR DOWN. Things that make you go, wtf!

[@DogDooWinner]

They don't want their secrets getting out because when people hear them, no sane person would bother with them. I wouldn't buy one. I would rather build my own. I know my quality isn't too terribly bad.

[@behrens97]

@@DogDooWinner RV's have always been cheaply made garbage. They just got worse in recent years and now they are finally being called out for decades of bad business practices

[@ravenone6255]

She has earned a badge of honor 🎖

[@STScott-qo4pw]

😜😜🌟🌟👏👏

[@brents1643]

The RV industry needs to be regulated and held accountable for the garbage they are putting out.

[@davidsaitta6351]

can't "regulate" capitalism / its an RV, not medicine, flying and/or etc.

[@billmonroe8826]

I've always wanted to convert something like a bus into a motorhome. I think the way campers and motorhomes are built one is wise to do that

[@texasaggieproud]

​@@davidsaitta6351 Agreed. If anything, we need another group to regulate the federal government. They have been out of control for decades.

[@davidm8717]

@@davidsaitta6351 horse feathers, we have consumer safety protection laws that have been regulating transportation of all types for years with great success, or are you like my uncle who never would wear a seat belt because it was "government regulation", lol.

[@davidm8717]

@@texasaggieproud you mean like those safety regulations that have been improving safety of our cars/trucks for years, those "out of control" regs, hook'em horns!

[@audiecarter8886]

Unbelievable. It is time for a lawsuit by each state against these RV companies

[@LizAmazing]

It's definitely time for change in the RV industry. Thanks for watching.

[@hawkeyetec]

The owners of rvs that are deficient need to be organised in a class action lawsuit. Stay on point. This is about the widespread failure of logic. Rv manufacturers have not met the needs of their customers. Someone needs to catalog the failures... This is about looking at design to end products. The categories that appear will show the manufacturers deficiencies. When they build an inferior product, sales will nose dive. But looking to the future by manufacturing a Durable product, customers will beat down their doors. Ps make list and catalog failures. The customer is what sales is about. Your focus has been on point . Get a team organised, and you need to find multiple whistle blowers. One possibility, are these manufacturiers a monopoly? All great questions to ask legally. Ps get as many documented rv owners as possible. Before getting a legal team. Crediblity...

[@TheBeingReal]

@@hawkeyetecThe contract T&C’s they signed when they bought basically signed away their rights.

[@davidsiebert5860]

The attorney general of every state needs to be contacted pushed to file a lawsuit against these Rv companies.

[@hawkeyetec]

@@TheBeingReal i dont know the rv world. I know the class 8 highway tractors and being in a newer truck is better that 2012. A friend bought a then new 2012 freightliner with the manufacturers best extended warranty. In 4 years freightliner spent 120,000 is dollars on warranty work. Its better today , not much i spent more than that from year 5-10. The saftey systems are problematic, when you get to a dealer nothing conclusive, they email the manufacturer. Its ironic how late model owner operators fail above 95 percent. On plan on purpose. Whats the alternative? The saftey systems dont record false readings. They freak operators out . Activating brakes beacuse of a shadow in the road or going into a tunnel. The radar is warning of forward distance and slowing the truck to impede traffic. The driver cant turn off these saftey systems. For lane alert. Ifvin a construction zones i would use my turn signals beacuse the radar didnt recognise construction cones or plastic / concrete barriers. Its looking at the lines in the road. Even ifvthe lines are painted black the truck will steer the truck into the cones or concrete construction barriers. I have had my former employers counsel me for roads that were 2 lane changed to express way. The speed limit was 25 mph on 2 lane and 65 on expresway. Were in a learning curve that kindergarden cops could figure out if only the epa and saftey agency's realised these devices are hazardous... Their looking to make these devices manitory. Before our country failed, we operated f or the customers best intrest. Now its mandated and so what if its going to kill the public. I wish i was joking....look at regulations for 2027. Epa says do that. The engineers dont know how..maybe we wont have trucks after 2027...

[@CordillaGershwin]

This makes Lippert look like shady, crooked bullies!!!! How disgusting of them. Something tells me you’re about to have a few lawyers going pro bono for you Liz! Stand your ground & counter sue & bring a claim for intentional infliction of emotional distress& intimidation under your state law.

[@davidsaitta6351]

They're all shady... its a "unit" moved and you're their paycheck..... Look at Marcus with Camping World..

[@johnufkes3974]

How can we make them cheaper and increase profits? That's all that's important to these corporate bigwigs.

[@purposeful49418]

Counter suit? They haven't sued her yet, but they have every right. You cannot make claims like she is via 'informants' with no first-hand evidence or knowledge of the quality accusations she is making. Of course the company is going to move to protect itself. Unless you have Geraldo 20/20 ABC money, I'd advise her to step back into her corner.

[@marshallforeman2051]

I think Liz just hit the lottery, she should sue them into a Bolivian

[@robineast6446]

@@purposeful49418Then I guess you don’t care about someone who has spent a very large amount of money buying a motor home just so they can watch their traveling dreams go down the toilet. What a stand up guy you are!

[@Lovesausage269]

Should we do something about the quality of our products? No just threaten to sue her.

[@charleswesley9907]

Yes thats the Mobile home frame producer . Their one use frames dont cut it for Travel Trailers and 5th wheel trailers that are designated to " TRAVEL" .

[@paulcoonce2493]

@@charleswesley9907 Typical of these manufacturers. I worked in the aerospace industry for 30 years and have seen all kinds of excuses and shortcuts people can get away with. They think it's alright to not follow engineering because engineers are "useless". From the assembly workers (although not all) to the executives, they want output and meet financial goals. No real care for safety, quality and overall perfection, just afraid of videos like this and getting sued for demanding throughput without quality. Sick the lawyers on them to shut them up! That will keep us fat and happy! Thankful for videos like this.

[@laurakilmer8652]

Lipperts frames are breaking . There is a RV graveyard full of RVs that had their frame broken !!!!! You need a picture of that. YOU GO GIRL

[@PatrickBaptist-vv2bg]

I've salvaged RVs personally, they have never been built worth a crap no matter the name, always as cheap as they can get away with it, lengthening GM motor home frames by just butting up frame rails and welding them up by someone that was probably just out of highschool and the structures are so flimsy....

[@phlodel]

@@PatrickBaptist-vv2bg My cousin has a motorhome built on a bus chassis.

[@KyleSams-tx2ix]

What percentage? How many of those were abused by their owners ? Extremely few is the answer. Liz got ten clicks she wanted and is paying the price.

[@amymichaelsiford957]

Real research would show if the frame broke it was because of the way the coach manufacturers overbuilt on top of them.

[@tomstiel7576]

@@amymichaelsiford957 bingo

[@randymack2222]

As a former RV service technician I can attest to the frightful reputation of the manufacturing process. Before the customer took delivery of a camper it was given a "PDI" (Pre-Delivery-Inspection). Testing the equipment before the customer went on their first outing. I can't recall a single RV that didn't get at least one pre delivery warranty repair. Most of them had several issues repaired before the buyer was given the keys. We (the service techs) became expert photographers, having to document the process to collect the warranty from the manufacturer. The ongoing joke became " RV dealers are the final stage of the assembly process"!

[@JulieLynn1997]

That's eye-opening and sad.

[@ricksmith7631]

they build them , we fix them.

[@barron204]

I also was a former RV technician mainly in Quality Control in NZ. The amount of issues was laughable as if I didn't laugh about it, then I would go crazy.

[@ricksmith7631]

@@TheDogGoesWoof69 Ive seen Taxa and they are a specialty kinda camper, sort of. one thing they build quality but they are not in the mainstream market yet. These are campers who make you camp. these arent luxury, they are hardshells that give you a good place to sleep, as long as you arent much over 6 feet tall. the big thing i look at microcampers is how well they are sealed, will they keep me dry when i need it and these will. the pricing is a little high and I know my company wot carry them for sake of profit margin but they are a sturdy well built campers. these campers envelop what camping is all about and i wouldnt hesitate to recommend them.

[@irishkelly654]

KZ is also absolute junk and don't back their crap product. What a nightmare it was, nothing but trouble/failures. Sold it at a huge loss just to get rid of it! Turned my wife and I off camping forever, hotels for us since, to keep our sanity.

[@That1CanadianGuy]

Hello Liz, I live in New Brunswick, Canada. I worked for a RV/TRAILER dealer for 9 yrs. We sold Park Models, 5th wheels, Tow behinds and Diesel pushers. Prices started at $40,000 to over $700.000. I worked in the repair part, Everything that came in no matter how cheap or top of the line..leaked! We pressure tested everyone that came in as new. We got so many back after 1 yr old rotten, we had to replace walls, floors windows. I felt bad gor these people, not all were rich, some family's could barely afford the monthly payments. It was so sad to see them have to walk away from one and go in debt because the company always said, it was not their fault 9r the manufacturer fault. I seen this happen like 10 times in less then 6 months. I quit and would fix the ones that could not. Afford to pay. I did it for free in my spare time for 12 yrs now. These manufacturers are horrible people, they do not care!

[@auctevia]

Sure its not the dealers fault?! But these dealers make tons of money getting people do work on problems and issues. They make huge money overpricing parts and labor cost.

[@danielmota1095]

This is how some industries lose to overseas competition, they need strict quality control on the shop floor!!!

[@ronniemaynor4434]

We had a 2001 Allegro Bus and were at the Tiffin repair facility several times. It was way out of warranty. They treated us very well, and we saw them treat others very well. This was before Thor bought them.

[@blueterrace]

You are a good person.

[@jupitercyclops6521]

I know what you mean. I framed houses for winter jobs back in the day. I worked for a crew that did such sloppy work, I felt sorry for the home buyer. All the sloppy work could be covered up, but it was frame work. One of the worst jobs I've ever had. I walked off that job. Got a job with a good framing company that did things right. One of the best jobs I've ever had.

[@RedBird77]

We just canceled our Tiffin order thank you for bringing all of this to light. I don’t wanna deal with any of these thugs.

[@chonkyb3134]

Don’t be bullied, instead double down ! I will contribute $ for Your lawyer !

[@cherylc4468]

thank you chonkyb

[@cassandramccallister8095]

Same

[@konnorj6442]

They cant sue wo proper grounds and they know it and if they try they open themselves up for major litigation and possible criminal charges as well any even half brained attorney will tell them such as well

[@Jimmy-Legs]

You got a million dollars

[@purposeful49418]

Oh good gawd!

[@ryanteter]

I will never buy a Grand Design or any RV made with a Lippert frame. You’ve done the right thing.

[@Dredster747]

Unfortunately 99% of companies use Lippert frames. I used to work as an engineer for Lippert and now I work for a company that uses their frames (and has been for decaded), and we've never had a single issue. It really comes down to the company who built your RV. My company would 100% cover any damages caused by a bad frame, but then again our CEO is man of his word. Do your research on the RV company itself, Lippert and the frames are not the issue.

[@kevincampbell9619]

@@Dredster747 then why are they scared of a little negative video ?

[@user-um2xi7ut5j]

@@Dredster747 Maybe Lippert and the body manufacturer engineers should work together to built frames that fit the manufacturer weight & stress load requirements.

[@ryanteter]

@@Dredster747 good feedback but, Lippert is clearly threatened by these videos. To send a letter threatening legal action is absolutely telling about the kind of people who are running that company. If they supply 99% of the frames, then they should have responded to Liz with “hey, we will do better… we will stand behind our customers” something to that effect. Bottom line, they’re just pissed that their part in the failure is being highlighted en masse. They seemingly want to continue to put out sloppy work and not take responsibility for their role in these many frame failures.

[@IAmBoredToo]

@@Dredster747 Unless they have fixed it (and it would be very hard with their process) I know the frames from their new plant (4yrs old?) are randomly not manufactured to proper welding specs. Poor welds and even good ones are not stronger than frame material. Also, a friend works at another LCI frame plant and he says there is no way most of the welds are good. BTW, also a former engineer at LCI, due to acquisition, and left because of lack of actual engineering.

[@Masterdjservices1]

If they were honest they would have no fear

[@LizAmazing]

That's what I believe. Thanks for watching!

[@BulletSpoung]

It they were honest, they would be broke and out of business.

[@RogerMorris-gk1zl]

@@BulletSpoung IF

[@usaquiz6141]

Amen

[@nightwalker3828]

If they were honest, they would do it right the first time and stop trying to screw people over to save a buck.

[@kabyccg8752]

Please don’t back down …. We need you and more people like you!!!

[@tomeclectic]

To clarify my discovery comment, if Lippert tries to sue, you'd be in the position to ask for their internal Quality Control records and the repair/return records for every Lippert issue from every Lipper dealership. Inspection qnd engineering documents re: the strength of the current models vs the older models. The most awful thing Lippery would want is for the bredth and depth of their quality control issues to become known.

[@jmayer29]

Discovery is a real threat here.

[@bigboots6114]

@@jmayer29 yes it is and they dont want that to happen

[@youknowme8578]

Smart, very smart comment. They will be then exposed.

[@colconn57]

@@jmayer29 A real threat if you can afford the lawyers to look over everything. This is about a billion dollar company making sure they make hundreds of millions. Does Liz make hundreds of millions??

[@TodBigelow]

@@colconn57 LOL. Do you honestly think she would have to pay for a lawyer? I'm really surprised a law firm hasn't already jumped on a class action lawsuit with the kind of money you're talking.

[@Meandmy2Vs]

DO NOT TAKE THE VIDEOS DOWN. The companies have something to hide? Your video hit a nerve! I stand behind you..I’m sure many of your followers feel the same as I do.❤❤We love you and want you to be safe!

[@robertmuckle2985]

I agree...if they took you to court over this, they would get the worst PR imaginable. These are idle threats. Keep all the receipts👍

[@betterwithrum]

This!!!

[@carolsipala1639]

This company needs to be exposed on live t.v. These RV companies are all about profit for themselves. Might have to gather a huge crowd and protest in front of their place of business. That will help open some eyes up to their bad shady practices.

[@j81851]

Perry Mason (Raymond Burr) once famously said to a threatening client who had accused Perry's client of slander. Perry said "The best defense for slander is the truth" The defense rests! Go Girl!

[@LizAmazing]

Whew, thank you so very much. Nervous to go up against a multi billion dollar company!!! Thanks for watching and stay tuned!

[@islandguy9380]

Unfortunately the truth doesn't matter much in civil court. It's the person with the most money who usually wins.

[@minigirl6839]

Slander is not slander if it's the truth. I worked for an insurance company that provided policies for Professional Liability, Excess Liability, Errors and Omissions coverages. I actually had to attend a court hearing and represent the Company in court, who was being sued because one of their policyholders had been sued for Slander. Some contractors were bidding on some work. They knew each other well and were competitors in the small town. The people who were taking bids on the work asked one contractor why he should hire him over the other one,as their bids were pretty much the same money wise. One contractor told him, in front of the other one, not to hire the other contractor, as he was a liar and an asshole. ( This is a true story btw). The people awarded the contract to the contractor, who told them the other guy was a liar and an asshole. The disparaged contractor filed suit against him for Slander, which is covered under their Professional Liability policy. They went to court over it. This contractor who filed the Slander suit said that the other contractor's accusations had harmed his credibility and his reputation with the locals who heard the conversation where he was called a liar and an asshole. It was damaging his ability to get work, he said. Our policyholder gave us names of people who we should call as witnesses, and we did. Several people got up on the stand and testified that this guy had, in fact, lied to them in the past, and all testified that he was an asshole as well. The jury decided against the liar and the asshole. They said the words " liar" and " asshole " were proven to be the TRUTH and NOT SLANDER since it was true. Liz, you can prove that this company sold inferior equipment. You have many people who can back up your videos. Don't take down your videos. That would imply that you felt like you did something nefarious, and you did not. Never surrender ⭐️ Come And Take It. That's our motto in Texas . It applies to you too. 😉

[@matthewgaines10]

The perfect defense against defamation and libel lawsuits is the truth. Tell the truth and you have no issues. Companies use lawsuits and threats to suppress speech they don’t like. Consult an attorney before acting but I would send a response letter politely telling them where they can go. Heck, I would even encourage them to file a lawsuit being that they don’t have a legal standing to obstruct your speech.

[@nathanhale6477]

Most criminals try to silence anyone who would dare expose their criminal deeds.

[@talidu8b]

If I am informed correctly, in the US you still have to pay for your defense lawyer or your defense in general. So it is a costly undertaking even if you think you are in the right. In the EU it is a bit different. Civil cases can be brought before court and the defendant does not have to pay anything until found guilty. So in most cases this leads to companies not fyling suits and stop at threats.

[@TheRm65]

Liz, you're a journalist and are entitled to all the protections of any other journalist, including not having to disclose your sources.

[@greg1474]

I fully support Liz, but we should clarfify your comment. Liz isn't a credential journalist. This may seem like a minor issue, but legally that would come up (and it will). And believe me, when things get to the lawyers, EVERY point like this becomes a major issue. Sources are very tricky issue, especailly these days. To emphasize this, use Google to search what just happened to professional journalist Catherine Herridge (formally of Fox News and CBS). She just testified to Congress about pending legislation that would protect reporters confidential sources. When CBS fired her, they seized all of her files and e-mails, and her confidential sources were all compromised. Herridge is also facing fines of $800 PER DAY for refusing to divulge sources. On top of that, journalists have been tossed into jail for refusing to divulge sources, and judges (yes judges) have been the ones doing it. Again, you can Google it if you don't believe me. We can crow all we want about our Constitutional rights, but sadly (these days) it doesn't automatically translate into reality. Liz is facing a Goliath (Thor Industries and Lippert are Billion dollar companies). I posted several steps on this thread that RV owners who are facing broken and dangerous rigs should pursue. Following those things would help Liz and RV owners more. One other thing to keep in mind - if this story gets "legs" as it were in the public conscious, thousands of RV rigs are going to be essentially worthless, because no one will want to buy them. This includes current owners. It's just the way it is.

[@sblagg527]

LOL!!!! A YT "social media influencer" (eye roll) is in NO WAY a journalist!!!!!! Get your facts straight before spewing such nonsense.

[@thefallenslavesusall1857]

​@@sblagg527 like a journalist 'isn't' a social media influencer. Stop projecting your spew in the comments

[@sharplyopinion8ted249]

@@sblagg527 Social media is the new news. So obviously facts are not something you really know about. ABC, NBC, MSNBC, FOX, CBC all use KZbin to share "news" so are you trying to tell us that THEY are not real journalists? Maybe it is only legacy media on KZbin that YOU assume to be "news" for YOUR "real journalists". Try getting out of the 1920's and moving in the 2024's sunshine. KZbin is a source of news so yes creators are journalists. Journalist Career A journalist is a person who gathers information in the form of text, audio or pictures, processes it into a newsworthy form and disseminates it to the public. This is called journalism Try again troll! (eye roll) Get your facts straight before spewing such nonsense.

[@cwqrpportable]

I support Liz, but to call her a journalist is a bit of a stretch....... Your understanding of the law seems naive.

[@mannybencomo5740]

Liz, don't be bulled you're just stating the truth.

[@LizAmazing]

Thank you so much, Manny!

[@tanya334]

Unfortunately, big businesses don't like the truth !!! Hang in there, Liz !!❤

[@cpzuroff]

Liz, do what you need to do. No judgements. We have one life to live. If you fight for what’s right, do so, so that you survive in peace. If you choose not to fight… you gotta do what you need to do to survive. You’re a good soul. I think that no matter what you do, you will judge & second guess yourself. Do the best you can and live in peace.

[@buttondogart]

In a world of lies, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. I just wish everyone would recognize who is trying to shut everybody up and stop voting for them!!!

[@gordocarbo]

@@LizAmazing They are gonna huff and bluff I wouldnt bend much. It will just encourage more of the same. How does a vehicle just start cracking like that? The owners need to lawyer up if they have issues...dont ruin your life trying to help...all the commenters and likes in the world wont help if things get ugly $$. Real world as you probably know doesnt care what people say online

[@portdawg66]

RV manufacturers are turning out garbage. They have raised prices and reduced build/material quality. You are shining a light on their dirty secrets and corrupt business practices. Clearly, by their legal response to you, they are rattled. The fight is a good one and for good reason. I for one, salute you Liz.

[@michaelmoran4716]

Outdoors RV is "Family Owned, does not follow "cost cutting" that others do, just sayin'

[@sixdollarfrog]

RV manufacturers have turned out garbage for the last 30 years.

[@kellismith4329]

That pretty much describes every industry

[@rmiller334]

They always have turned junk. And lippert is one of the worst suppliers.

[@lovespurpleflowers]

Corruption is everywhere, this exposure will hurt this company’s reputation and so it should! You are a brave lady and consumers of RV’s or any subpar vehicles need to join you in the fight‼️

[@teewhy2602]

What alot of folks dont realize is all travel trailers are built crappy. Some have more cake decorating than others, however they are not built to be left out in the weather. They all leak, rot and wear quickly.

[@Strngr--]

Except Airstream

[@stargazer2533]

Exactly. They are made to go camping in not live in year round.

[@Strngr--]

@@stargazer2533 I've been living full time in my 31' Airstream Excella 2 since 2002. 17.5 of those years with a pet wolf

[@misterhipster9509]

Absolutely freeking correct. I had a mid 90's Newmar Londonaire fiver for many years, no problems, it cost NINETY THOUSAND DOLLARS in 1994. That's all it takes for quality, open your wallet, and seal your roof occasionally.

[@stargazer2533]

@@Strngr-- That's great but an Airstream is a different animal.

[@yegor6763]

Rotten greedy companies like these must be called out at any cost. Thank you for what you do and stand for Liz.

[@markriley24]

Lippert is the Temu of RV parts. I’ve had my share of problems with their awning motors, 3 failures in 4 years. But the worst and most dangerous issue was with the Lippert Super Lube axles I followed the company recommendations for the type of grease and method of adding grease to the axles only to have the grease expand and squeeze out the rear seal and grease up the brake shoes when the grease warms up to temperature. My truck was going through brakes every year even with maximum trailer brake bias set. Even set that high it barely slowed down when I applied trailer brakes only, when I tested them. I took the trailer wheel apart and found the brake shoes and drums had no wear because they were coated in axle grease. I called Lippert and the representative seemed to know exactly what the problem was and how to stop it from happening again. He told me to replace the parts and use a different grease and not follow the Lippert directions for filling the hub with grease but to take the bearings out and hand pack with grease just like old school. Wow! I looked at a fellow RVers Super Lube axles and she had the exact same problem from following their instructions. I wonder how many people are out there up and down mountain passes and grades with brakes that have Super Lubbed braked shoes! Scary! After the rep told me how much the parts were going to cost it took very little prodding from me to have him to agree to ship them to me free of charge even though it was out of warranty. Seems they wanted the problem to go away. Thanks for your gutsy reporting!

[@JulieLynn1997]

Yikes!

[@thecableguy1128]

My wife and I were talking about getting an RV until I watched videos on KZbin and saw how many people have videos of bad products and practices from the RV companies.

[@theresajoyce7589]

If they took you to court, they’d have to prove that your videos damaged them. That isn’t going to happen. It seems like someone in Congress should be looking into helping RVers to be safe, get fair deals, and not be bullied or threatened. Such tactics are outrageous and it’s wrong that you have to change your life to protect it from some idiot. I’ve had enough of this “violence is an acceptable solution” era. I’m totally disgusted that this is happening to you, and others who speak out. Stay safe, Liz. You’re a smart lady!🍀🍀🍀🙋🏻‍♀️

[@duanepredhome6523]

Congress is a JOKE, THEY WILL JUST PUT THEIR HAND OUT FOR A DONATION, THEN DO NOTHING.

[@stevefitzgerald9193]

nice thought but, they pay the law makers off!!!

[@theresajoyce7589]

@@stevefitzgerald9193 Baloney. The manufacturers are separate entities, not the NRA. The government has guidelines for cars, trains, planes, etc. I don’t think they pay any attention to the RV industry; clearly there are some minimum standards they can set; threatening someone pointing out a problem is not a standard. Cars have lemon laws; you are less safe yourself and to others in a poorly constructed RV. Set standards and start inspections and fines. That industry needs oversight, and it’s their own fault.

[@stevefitzgerald9193]

you are so naive!!!!!!!!! all of the RV manufactures belong to an association. the are called NIVA!!!!!!!!! they pay lobbyist to keep rv out of federal lemon laws and, the same standards as the auto industries. the NRA are separate entities also. do you have any clue. how many manufactures of guns their are????? didn't think so.

[@hippiebits2071]

The RV industry has PLENTY of political clout, it’s foolish to believe otherwise.

[@DJHall-lk5cq]

Liz, I admire the work you do on behalf of RV owners, keep fighting and don't give in to these monster companies!!

[@LizAmazing]

Thanks so much for your support!!!

[@deerhaven3350]

These high and mighty industry goons that want to talk with you "off the record" think you're ignorant and that they can bully you. Always do negotiations either in writing or by video because you absolutely cannot trust them. We, the general public, are so very fortunate to have people like you in our court who don't back down or allow themselves to be intimidated. Thank you for keeping us all informed and telling it like it is.

[@malcolmmarson]

Being a former quality manager, I am always amazed at manufacturers, that speed of assembly is more important than given time to do the job RIGHT the 1st time around. Keep up the good fight.

[@S.B.-rh9mf]

The damage is done to that frame company. We all have seen the videos and some have saved them. Shame on them for trying to silence you! I hope you are able to keep reporting the poor quality and workmanship in the RV world.

[@brustar5152]

As I've posted earlier; this is not the first or even second go around with this Lippert frame debacle. The RV 5th wheel forums were replete with examples of "Lippert frames failure" threads at least as far back as the early 2000's and yet they survived to see another crop of second generational buyers rolling the dice.

[@charlesmlane32]

Let me pose this one question to you, I am in no way supporting the frame company what so ever I find what they did to Liz disgusting. That being said, Is it possible that the frame company is only part of the bigger picture. After all they are getting the frame specifications from the RV manufactures themselves right ? That also being said the part that is on the frame company is not questioning the RV manufacture to see if the specifications can withstand the weight that will be put onto said frames.

[@im2yys4u81]

@@charlesmlane32 Good point. For instance, you wouldn't put a 327 Chevy in a Volkswagen without beefing up the frame, chassis, and basically every other part. If the RV manufacturer is contracting the frames, but exceeding the design specs and characteristics for which it was designed, that would make the frame manufacturer look bad.

[@K_Dawg1979]

I agree and disagree.... If the rv manufacture tells frame co. to build chassis, and rv company does not build on it correctly, the frame co. shouldn't be responsible. (Not saying that is or isnt the case, just saying they should be innocent until proven guilty.

[@K_Dawg1979]

@@charlesmlane32 Also the frame company may not know exactaly how the rv company is going to build on it. Rv company orders frames to x spifications, frame company does just that, then rv company can screw it up.

[@drinksafewater]

Integrity buys customer loyalty - Not Brown envelopes - Stay strong Liz

[@lja6420]

Liz, you are an example of a woman who has no fear. Does not back down, and fights for what is right!!! If more of us men stood up for what is right, this world would be a better place! ❤❤❤

[@drecksaukerl]

Hear hear!

[@lja6420]

@@drecksaukerl 🤩🤩🤩

[@GMBoehler]

Speak for yourself.

[@NipItInTheBud100]

Rather than fixing the problems, these companies are more concerned with videos exposing the flaws!

[@user-ud7zh3vv7d]

I personally noticed newer RV's are junk, quality down, price up! Thank you for honesty and candid content!

[@jp6993]

Just like the food industry.

[@deandee8082]

in a BIG WAY! total CRAP and what they are asking? same as what a house costs fro goodness sakes, its ridiculous, and the danger they create? what they really need is a class action lawsuit to fix everyone's total crap that's failed... this again is a perfect indication the agencies tax payers pay to look out for them so garbage like this is not sold are corrupt... WHERE ARE THEY?

[@volvo09]

I have a 1995 trailer. Besides a water leak from the roof that I had to fix, it's fully working. Water, slide, heat, hot water, fridge on gas or electric, AC, it's all good and solid. I look at these new campers and they are SO shoddy. The materials are so lightweight as they try and make units bigger and lighter weight so a smaller and cheaper truck will haul it.

[@robertm4914]

No one that talks "off the record" is proud of their actions. Thanks for the fight and making a difference. I pray that you will prevail in your efforts to get the truth out to people.

[@1RodeoMom]

My husband does Google reviews for things we purchase and if we are stating the truths we do not remove them. Stay strong!!! Truth sets us free!!

[@davidsaitta6351]

Ditto, but you can be sued for that also - it happens.

[@carollang6090]

If???

[@1RodeoMom]

Management of those businesses contact him to make it right, in some cases when made right, he removes the review or adds they corrected the issue.

[@Jackman8594]

Those companies just lost another customer. I will definitely avoid!! Thanks for bringing this up!!!

[@LizAmazing]

Thank you, Jack!

[@karkule5919]

This woman is a Hero. I wish a local or national news network would pick up her story and take it to another level. They wouldn't have the balls then to send CBS or any of those big guys any cease and desist letter. But Liz can be as effective and informative without mentioning their names and just show the RV's (but not the name) and tell where they are located and the public would know and make comments so others could see who they are, then legally they couldn't prove slander in court.

[@skydancerforever]

Liz needs to get contact 60 minutes. They will expose these crooks in the RV industry!

[@MrShobar]

@@skydancerforever "These crooks..." I wouldn't say that unless you can back it up. That's practically defamation per se.

[@skydancerforever]

@@MrShobar "practically defamation per se" to who? who is the plaintiff? There is no specific name in my post. It's a opinion of the complete industry which looks to have been exposed by the people that already got screwed by the RV industry.

[@bradjones2480]

I'm both an engineer and 5th wheel owner. It is extremely obvious to me there is a total lack of quality in these! Since I bought the 5th as totalled with some side damage, I am convinced the previous owners whacked a tree on purpose, to total it and get out! In less than a year I've had to remove both ACs as they were not even centered over the roof port and leaked. AC ducting was not even connected in ceiling! The black tank plumbing came loose and was leaking, the DC charger whines due to poor quality components, several roof leaks, Lippert jack system both leaks, and bleeds down, water pump won't maintain pressure, zero access to furnace and furnace venting is too small causing over temp trips, none of the tank monitors work right, and the list goes on! In short, they build them from pop sickle sticks, put cute lipstick on them, and send them! 100% JUNK!!!!! I'd love to face their engineering team at trial! Let me explain, they build these on a glorified I beam flatbed trailer, with no way to arrest torsion, so all that torsion is driven into the walls. It's a horrible design!

[@thetinysideoftiny7625]

Same horrifying laundry list of issues with my Forest River. A local servicing dealer ask me if I bought the brand new trailer with a SALVAGE TITLE! That’s how bad it was. Dealer and factory deliberately ran out my warranty and fixed NOTHING! Thousands out of my own pocket to fix a dozen plus major issues.

[@wmason1961]

What do you mean by "arrest torsion"?

[@kimkrebs451]

Liz, you must be doing something right if they are all ruffled up!!! Keep on keeping us informed!!

[@LizAmazing]

Thanks so very much, Kim!!!

[@kimkrebs451]

@@LizAmazingyou’re welcome

[@JoelsVideoJunk]

I thought about buying a new camper for the family... no freaking way now. This industry is so seedy!

[@esterdrass4964]

Me too. I know things go bad in anything you buy, I want to know they will take care of it. Most Rv's seem to be backed up with zero help and this just proves they don't want any part of doing the right thing. Just get the lawyer out to threaten the people is their answer. I decided to go tent camping instead.

[@mantelmann13]

I was working in the industry 25 years ago. You can always buy a van or a truck and let a company build it into your dream camper. I knew some good and hard working RV-builders. Evenb companies with only 2 or 3 employees. But what they delivered was damn good quality.

[@thomasschleis2545]

I just shared this with the Tiffin Network. This is the main forum for Tiffin owners and is the most extensive one of it's kind. I just sold my 2017 Tiffin Breeze because I was concerned about the longevity of the Cummins ISV 5.0 engine used in the 2017-2019 models. I know of four of them where the engine crankshafts have broken, requiring $40,000 engine replacements, and I'm sure there are more. Neither Bob Tiffin, nor Cummins has acknowledged any problems, even though the NHTSA has opened an investigation into this issue with the Nissan pickups that used this same engine. This is the unfortunate state of the RV industry in this country right now. Thank you for being a champion for RV owners!

[@halrobinson2737]

What a crock. The owners that have major issues should have class action suits filed against them. Do consult a lawyer Liz. A go fund me account may need to be set up so you can protect yourself. I for one, will donate. I just helped my wife’s cousin do some repairs on his brand new Alliance 5th wheel on its first trip. Several sheet metal screws had come loose and or fallen out on both wheel fender skirts. We purchased machine screws, washers and nylock nuts and replaced them all. The thin aluminum siding was so thin that it would not hold the screws in. He cut his hand reaching into the front storage compartment due to drywall type screws being too long and protruding out of the compartment carpeting. We also found a metal strap that held the lower side of the aluminum metal behind the left trailer wheels only fastened on one end! This is a 135k trailer on its first voyage.

[@aceventuraaceventura2003]

Yup, please do a go fund me to fight these clowns. I hate dishonest people and companies.

[@wendytravis6427]

Class action suits only benefit lawyers. They are better off with their own individual representation.

[@halrobinson2737]

Class action might get some quality issues resolved instead of one case.

[@GolfMissouri]

So it’s not just Grand Design, huh go figure..

[@STLtoTPA]

Go fund me! I would contribute.

[@pattie4456]

We own a 2021 Tiffin. We maybe used our bedroom slide which is Lippert, 20 times when it broke. It never did work right from the moment that we received it and we were past warranty so we put out $3800 to repair it. It really is a piece of garbage and we should replace it with a different system, because it’s just not reliable. I am so sorry to hear that both Lippert and Tiffin put you through this. This past fall when we went out to New Mexico, we heard of a couple of frame failures on brand new RVs, so it is happening, and probably many of them are not even on KZbin. Thank you for this video and your honesty!

[@markrobertdevison1227]

Why isn't anyone using the Lemon law? I literally just used it and had my SUV replaced.

[@randyblack2124]

I am glad to see that someone is out there trying to help the consumer. I bought a Grand Design 27RL new in 2015. I should have started a KZbin channel long ago about my problems. Both with the poor quality of build and also with the total lack of warranty from the dealer that I bought it from. Thanks Liz

[@SovereignandFree]

Tell Lippert to pound sand. Have they ever heard on the 1st amendment?

[@LizAmazing]

It's unclear about the informant part. Patrick and Bea can tell their story but me reading the comments from the informant (without Lippert telling their side) is what has them upset, I believe. Thanks for watching.

[@CerbTheUnidog]

Unfortunately doesn't apply to a billion dollar company that can file a bs lawsuit against someone with no basis, and the person has no money to defend themselves against the BS. I hope she keeps doing what she's doing, never watched her videos before this one and now I'm subscribed. Means she's doing something right!

[@1girlsopinion]

The 1st Amendment only protects your speech from the government not private companies.

[@islandguy9380]

That doesn't matter. A company can sue you and you'll have to defend against it. That's where it gets really expensive. The First Amendment doesn't say you cannot be sued.

[@SovereignandFree]

@@CerbTheUnidog I’d be willing to bet there are some civil rights organizations out there that would jump all over her defense

[@abstractdragon5453]

Take this as a sign you are doing good work! Just remember it's not slander if it's true.

[@LizAmazing]

Thank you for this!!!

[@bobhobart3613]

Now we know where Liz got her last name.... God given for the wonderful women she is! 💕🙏🙏🙏 ( please don’t tell me now.... it’s from a marriage!!😄😄) God Bless MS. Amazing!!

[@melissangel1382]

A cease and desist is just a threat. They are just trying to intimidate you. I wouldn’t get a lawyer unless they actually sue you. Great job! You are doing gods work with these corporations

[@Locutus]

Disagree. It's worth seeking legal advice on the matter now, in case she has said or written something that is libel, slander or defamation. She might have to make an edit to some of her videos, or post a minor correction video just to be on the safe side. Being sued is too late to resolve the issue. But, it's your life, if that's how you want to roll, you do you.

[@SallyT269]

Melissa, stop handing out poor advice.

[@melissangel1382]

@@SallyT269 how is that poor advice? Get a lawyer if they actually sue you

[@jaekn]

@@melissangel1382 Because you're not qualified to give legal advice.

[@melissangel1382]

@@jaekn how do you know? You don’t even know me.

[@jimmyjamgto5448]

I absolutely LOVE what you are doing here. Holding them accountable. Maybe I’ve seen too many movies but……please be careful out there. You are negatively impacting greedy corporations. My prayers are with you! Be safe!!!

[@BrokePencil]

not legal advise: most cease and desist letters are usually just intimidation. they are an on-the-record request to please do what we say because we are scary lawyers. For a slander case, they'd have to find a way to calculate damages, prove malice, and prove that you lied (which requires intentional false statements).

[@nancyburke8942]

This is what happens when an industry gets too consolidated - the lack of competition corrupts (and clearly removes any intelligence). Honestly how stupid, can they be? I hope the RV community goes Bud Light on these companies. Stay strong. You have a lot of supporters.

[@jamesd548]

If they sue, make sure you get a JURY trial.... not ONE person would convict you and just think about the NEGATIVE publicity that Lippert would get... truly a Bud Lite moment for them!!

[@MrShobar]

There's no "conviction" in a civil suit. Just liability.

[@irishkelly654]

Love the Bud Lite reference, awesome, LOL!

[@Barrysworkshop]

if they sue, look into anti-slapp protection.

[@MrShobar]

@@Barrysworkshop What if she's defamed them? Aren't manufacturers permitted to have a remedy at law?

[@Barrysworkshop]

@@MrShobar yes, that requires discernment.

[@roberttellez6648]

This lady keeps us well informed. Those guys are bullies and greedy. Make a better product and you won’t have these issues.

[@williamrankin8440]

I was a heavy truck tech for a well known mfgr that builds chassis for the rv industry. There would be a collective groan when a class a showed up for service. The way rv builders cobbled those rv’s together was crazy! We were also instructed to never talk to the owner because some were not happy for various reasons and if a tech agreed with the owners complaints the tech could be dragged into a lawsuit as a witness.

[@kurtvanluven9351]

I miss the old Class B. At least you did not need a doghouse unless you had a dog!

[@rattlecat5968]

*NEW SUBSCRIBER HERE BECAUSE YOU SPEAK THE TRUTH AND ARE NOT INTIMIDATED BY CORPORATE LAWYERS!!!* YOU GO, LADY!!!! 👏👏👏

[@dancedance3440]

I purchased a brand new 38 foot 5th wheel RV about 10 years ago. After a few month it started to fall apart and got worse and worse. Learned my lesson. Once you are sold the garbage you are pretty much on your own so get real good insurance or just don't buy the garbage. I'm amazed they are able to get away with slapping together the junk they call RV and are not held accountable but then it is a Brave New World.

[@robfielding100]

I admire your stand. Shoddy workmanship needs exposing. They are clearly really rattled that the truth will come out!

[@skilltreed540]

Dear Liz, We are all so proud of you for not selling out yourself or this channel! Thank you for that. The failure of these Lippert frames, I'm sure you are aware of... has been documented by other RVers, as well as technicians, all over the internet for at least 2 years. We didn't buy the Grand Design based on these frames. However, a picture or video in this case, is worth a thousand words. We appreciate that you have put yourself out there to bring these stories of new RVs failing. I'm sorry it has caused you such grief. However, you must be doing something right for them to become so irate over one lady's KZbin channel. You must be making an impact. I can't help but wonder why there are no standards in this industry. Of course I'm not stupid. Thanks for letting us know what's going on. I'm glad you took steps to keep yourself safe.

[@semitrucker]

Thank you! We had a frame failure! They will blame the owner & not cover it after 1 month long inspection. Problem is thin wall material, & sloppy welds with them. BEWARE BUYERS! New RVs are sloppy built!!

[@seresamgala8125]

You're doing everybody (every consumer) a great service by sharing this information. The company's disgusting response will cause anybody with a sense of intelligence to AVOID them at all cost.

[@KingfishStevens-di9ji]

Sure, put all these people out of business, America doesn't need jobs, her channel needs views.

[@ataraxxx]

@@KingfishStevens-di9ji Poor business decisions put companies under all the time. It's a shame the upper management felt the need to intimidate critics rather than address any concerns. Nothing kills a business faster than that. And trying to intimidate this woman into submission? That's beyond pathetic. I think most principled people feel the same. Losing your job sucks, but what can you do when management is willing to destroy their company's image?

[@MaN-pw1bn]

Tell them you would like to live stream it! Stand your ground LIZ!

[@kenromaine2387]

Liz, You are doing a good job helping the RV customers. Keep up the good work.

[@LizAmazing]

Thanks so much, Ken!

[@Mgn1701]

The irony is, if they had discretely taken care of it during that first meeting it would have been a victory for Liz. But once they started acting like the big tobacco companies, trying to intimidate her, it backfired. Hey guys, not everyone is a sell out! They’re no better than thieves. Taking the hard earned money of those who expect a reliable and enjoyable product only to receive defects and major safety issues . They know it’s flawed but don’t care. They line their pockets on the stress and tears of their customers. Safety isn’t important to them, it’s sickening. How they sleep at night, I just don’t know.

[@beekerakadjsnaxx6133]

They sleep at night on their fat stacks of cash.

[@cowgirlval5216]

HEAR, HEAR Liz!!! The RV Camping World is behind you 1000%! Boy did they handle that wrong! What a tremendous opportunity they had to help and do the right thing. They lost their chance to be at the top, EPIC 😅FALURE! We're still going old style with a custom Schoolie❤ You hard work has saved us thousands of dollars and we appreciate you more than you know!❤ Thank you Liz❤

[@stickbogart3657]

🔥🔥 I am an RV expert witness. And trust me I know where to look to dig up the dirt if I have to I’ve done it in the past. I want everyone to know that there are trucks to go down the freeway that are caring way more than 80,000 pounds and their frames are not cracking some of them haul as much as 900 tons the weight of a steel power transformer and there was trailers and trucks frames are not cracking. 🔥🔥🔥. If the manufacturers really cared, they would put air rides suspensions on the trailers to give the coach a soft ride. Also, they would do crash tests on the trailers as far as how much weight, those trailers will transport before they crack, and before they build the RV on top of the trailers 🔥🔥🔥. Think about it if an RV manufacturer that was buying trailers the frames if you will from the companies that build the frames and then put huge amounts of weight on the frame, secure it properly and drive it down the road for a good long time, off-road, and on the freeway and see how much weight it takes for the frame to crack And break up that’s what needs to happen if I owned an RV manufacturing company, I would take brand new trailers and I would put them through rigorous testing transporting huge amounts of weight on them before I build my coach on top of them 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥. Where is the test results before they construct the RV on top of the trailers good luck finding them Personally, I could change the reputation of any RV manufacturer, and the corporate CEOs of these companies would be very impressed with my abilities, but they would never pay me to do that

[@cowgirlval5216]

@@stickbogart3657 Thanks for your wise input!👍

[@je862]

@@stickbogart3657have you ever presented yourself to them?

[@user-xx5po3lo3s]

Good for you Liz. The world needs more advocates like you.

[@dtwinky]

This is a problem that has been happening in our society for a while now. I appreciate you having the strength and honor to try and hold folks accountable.

[@Pamela.B]

Nathan Reynolds & his family were LIVING in an RV. His wife was expecting twins & EXTREMELY ill. It turns out that their lovely RV had BLACK MOLD. So, thank God she got out of that motor home & survived with two healthy babies. Thank you for your videos. God bless you.

[@williambranham6249]

Black mold occurs in stick built homes as well as schools, etc. I don't think you can single out an RV for black mold.

[@donstoner4725]

Dear Liz, Thank You for keeping us informed. Keep on doing your good work. Here is a true story: About 10 years ago (BEFORE Covid) I went to the Hershey RV Show in PA. Went into a new Airstream to check it out. I opened and closed the bathroom door ...the handle of the bathroom door came off the door. I took it outside to a company rep..She looked angry/scared/embarassed when I said "Is this your quality?" She did not comment. I walked away. Look, You need to be commended on what you're doing. That letter you have is a scare tactic!! Best Wishes!!

[@skynut38]

A coworker stated that they used to work in RV manufacturing and if they had a part that didn't fit, they just pounded it with a hammer until it did. Crazy.

[@barbsanders1364]

Agreed, don’t be bullied, YOU have done NOTHING WRONG!!! All you have done is shared peoples stories and tried to help. I’m sooo sick and tried of big corporations thinking they can do and make what ever they want to make money. There needs to regulations for RVs being pulled on the road. If there are they are piss poor ones. Think the RV industry should prepare for a class action suit because it’s coming. There are too many people who have spent $$$,$$$ of their hard earned money and just end up finding that bought a pile of shit!! And now they are stuck, and no one but Liz to listen and try to help. YOU GO GIRL!!!! We have a 2006 pull behind I wouldn’t trade for the world.

[@cbaker9667]

I have a tiny 2007 with no Lippert parts, thankfully.

[@phillyddon526]

It doesn’t surprise me this is happening to you Liz but you’ve absolutely got the truth on your side. If a jury was to see the videos Lippert wants taken down, you’d win easily! This isn’t just a safety issue for the RV owner, it’s a safety issue for the entire public on our national highways!! The auto industry would never get away with this type of reckless behavior… Keep up the great work you do!!

[@barbwire65]

You said it well whatever you said.The auto industry wouldn't get away with this and Rv manufacturers shouldn't get away with this either.

[@ostlandr]

Even if the case is a sure win, if they can bury you in legal fees until they bankrupt you, they still win.

[@eleanorweiss4217]

Liz - Engineer talking here: I suggest trying to get every manufacturer to publish, in literature and on an RV's name plate, the MAIN FRAME RAIL SECTION MODULUS of EVERY product. The section modulus is the key strength indicator of a frame. Some vehicles already publish this number for their products. This publication would act on the consciences of all manufacturers and encourage higher section moduli to be used. Higher section moduli could be a great selling point!

[@eleanorweiss4217]

Eleanor Weiss follow up comment: Couple of more thoughts while on the topic - 1. Using CLOSED SECTION SQUARE TUBING, even with the same section modulus, adds strength by RESISTING TWISTING. That might be encouraged, and also a great selling point. (That twist resistance means engineers have to be aware that other joints and welds will need to be checked and possibly sized up for higher stress on uneven surfaces, but once done, the frame will be a stronger one, which will mean less flexing of the user spaces and attached equipment. I'm not familiar with industry practice regards open sections versus closed (box-like) sections. My remark #1 may not be ideal if standard practice is to deliberately use open sections to allow for twisting on uneven surfaces to REDUCE frame stress. If that is the case, what needs to be done carefully is to use MOUNTING HARDWARE with enough "give" so that twisting of the frame doesn't unduly twist the user compartment and/or attached equipment. Not using flexible mounting hardware could cause fractures in items other than the frame.) 2. OTHER structural members ALSO have section moduli too ... more opportunities for bragging rights for a manufacturer who cares about after-sale satisfaction.

[@tso3353]

light Weight is the only selling factor in RVs.

[@eleanorweiss4217]

@@tso3353 Hm! Makes sense, for sure. Very likely that is a major factor in the broken frame problem. Makes it harder to solve. Maybe if RV buyers knew about section modulus, though, they would begin to take strength into account.

[@kellismith4329]

Build ‘em and they will buy ‘em

[@orvjudd1383]

Just the absolute best response I’ve heard yet. Thank you.

[@markloewen5768]

Hold your ground Liz, you are obviously on the right track otherwise they would not feel threatened by you. Keep up the good work and hold these guys feet to the fire.

[@lfern65]

I used to work for a company that supplied items to Lippert. They were the worst! They were so arrogant. Ugh. I hated working with them.

[@user-zi7xg1vq9n]

No way I would take down the videos. It's a first amendment right to use your platform to give others the news about campers good and bad. You have the law on your side.

[@TodBigelow]

lol. I don't think you understand the 1st Amendment. No government is passing laws against her. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof... " It goes on, but it's to limit the government's abuse of power against you. It says nothing to do with what you mention. Not trying to be a smart@$$, just educate a little. Have a good day.

[@KingfishStevens-di9ji]

Your right to swing your fist stops at someone else's face. She has no right to be be defaming and destroying these companies based on a few customer complaints. She's drawing on what is called anecdotal evidence. Does she have actual numbers of failures? Guarantee you, she doesn't.

[@MrMontanaNights]

@@KingfishStevens-di9ji How's the corporate boot leather taste?

[@Patrick_Armendarez]

From Patrick and Bea Armendarez, we are horrified by this turn of events. Please, if you need to remove the videos, we support that. We didn’t intend for anyone to get hurt by telling our story. We were so stressed after seeing your video. Lippert is a bully and shame on them for attacking you vs. taking action to work to fix these flawed chassis. They also make the dangerous 3 season doors that almost hit Bea. We believe that design is flawed and should have a safety latch. For them to say there is no basis for the statements that some of their products pose a safety risk is laughable. Removing these videos will not stop consumers from using social media to expose the major flaws in their design and build quality. If they force these video to be taken down, we will just make another one. God bless you and we will keep you in our prayers.

[@LizAmazing]

Thank you so very much, I believe that in the long run videos are helping turn things around in the RV industry.

[@Patrick_Armendarez]

@@LizAmazingit’s clearly working.

[@dutchgirl2]

Why not post one on your KZbin channel with your story

[@Patrick_Armendarez]

@@dutchgirl2I don’t have a KZbin channel or a following. So it wouldn’t been seen. The material belongs to Liz and we wouldn’t do that without her permission or endorsement. There are other ways we can help Liz. We have been in communication and Bea and I have suggested that she remove these posts. We don’t want her hurt or involved in an expensive legal battle. Of course this is her decision and we will support whatever decision she makes. I can say she’s a very brave and tough. But the video did alarm us as we it was hard to watch her dealing with the stress of this attack by Lippert.

[@geemanfunman1267]

That company needs to be exposed They need transparency. Make go viral. We are with you. They will lose sells and stocks. Fkm

[@agr8h2o]

Sounds like someone hates being exposed. Keep up the good work.

[@LizAmazing]

Thanks so much for your support!

[@zzzoticus]

Stand firm. You’re stating the truth about these incompetent & unregulated companies. Instead of improving their product due to complains, they would rather silence the people calling them out.

[@1983thunderbird]

Do not give into these people (bullies) Liz , what you are doing with these videos , needs to be done. I have been saying it for years, these companies need to be held accountable for the trash they are manufacturing!!!!! You are truly a hero to the people buying these junk rv's today!!!!!!

[@MFortin-ny2yn]

Good for you Liz, Keep pushing forward and lawyer up. I used to be a hotshot driver for several RV companies in Indiana and I saw allot of horrible things including very poor workmanship. Thanks for all your help pointing out the good, the bad, and the ugly of the industry and standing up for us.

[@robertmeshew1935]

A dishonest company that threatens anyone I am done with! Thanks for your commitment for honest dealers! Protect yourself always!

[@julietidrick6334]

The most dangerous person in the room, is the one who’s telling the truth. There are to many nightmare stories relating to these poorly built RV’s. You keep up the good work by exposing the bad. As a side note we have had numerous RV’s and numerous types and brands, over the last 45 years, currently a 2017 Tiffin Phaeton, all having minor repairs over the years that we have fixed ourselves. The car industry wouldn’t survive those kind of “BS builds” and maybe the RV industry will have to crash and burn before wake up.

[@joewoodchuck3824]

Heh. From what I'm hearing the car and pickup quality has in fact already taken a dive, all while applying exhorbitant price increases in recent years.

[@Pam-yj6zu]

Julie drick

[@mollycakes7080]

I don't own an RV and have no plans to purchase one, but I enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work and obtain legal counsel to protect yourself. You must have hit a nerve for them to send out a cease and desist letter.

[@bikeny]

Same here. If companies would do the job right the first time we'd all be better off. Sure, stuff happens, but the great companies acknowledge it and then fix it or replace it with one that works.

[@ReasonablySane]

I used to own an RV and my ex-father in law even sold them. I left that life behind 27 years ago. And 13 years ago I bought 32 acres in rural Kentucky with 9 acres of lawn, the rest is wooded with two streams. I don't need to "go camping" any more. And this isn't about money. The whole place cost me about a third of the cost of a 70 year old 3 bedroom rambler in the Seattle exurbs (where I used to live). That is, about the price of a new Class A RV. If I need an RV now, I'll rent one. Steve Lehto nails it in several videos.

[@timcowden3513]

Liz, I'm really proud of you. The service you provide for the industry is invaluable. The very fact that these companies are trying to intimidate you or pay you off is solid evidence of their sleazy business practices. I'm no lawyer but I believe the cease and desist order is nothing but a toothless tool of intimidation. You have done nothing wrong, they have no case against you and they are simply trying to scare you off. Again, my hat is off to you!

[@downunderfulla6001]

Jason Lippert obviously doesn’t want to take responsibility for single-handedly destroying his grandfather’s legacy by cutting costs which intern led to design faults and major safety issues

[@johngacsi7000]

[ WHERE. IS. THE. ( DOT. ) , WHEN. 0. INSPECTIONS. R. DONE. , ON. DEATH. TRAPS. , BY. BUILDERS. ???????????!!! .

[@feliciacooper6263]

In turn… (not intern)

[@mike2517h]

@@feliciacooper6263 oh boy so someone missed the big bar on the bottom

[@feliciacooper6263]

@@mike2517h they’re 2 different things.

[@mike2517h]

@@feliciacooper6263 i know that,everybody knows that but you had to jump some ones leg for missing the space bar.

[@gmaneis]

Stay strong. This reminds me of the scene in the old movie "Erin Brokovich" when the electric company tried to intimidate Erin and her boss. You are doing great, Liz. Thank you for sharing what you've found.

[@RLH-my6jv]

Liz i am really happy that we have a person like you to uncover these shady RV companies. They dont care about warranty or servive or how well built they are it only about how much money they can suck out of people

[@abbylynn8872]

Lol.... they don't wanted it recorded... depositions are recorded... Never off the record🌸🌸💕

[@abbylynn8872]

Now that you have the letter... engage all the news channels in the area that have consumer advocates and investigative reporters. They'll l9ve this 🌸🌸💕

[@LizAmazing]

So crazy! I've called good solid companies that have been readily willing to go on camera including Andersen of Andersen Hitches. If you've got nothing to hide, then go on camera, right?

[@davidsaitta6351]

@@abbylynn8872@abbylynn8872, careful here- remember you are a KZbin journalist...and :"not suicidal" either

[@watchthis7620]

Hi Liz. I don't know why KZbin suggested your video to me, as I live half a world away from you. I have never owned an RV and don't know anyone who owns one either. Even so - RESPECT for all you are doing. Keep telling it as it is. Always stand up to bullies - thousand of us honest, caring people appreciate you. 💋💋💋👍 x

[@clintprice2123]

As they say you catch more flack when you’re over the target! You’re doing a wonderful service and job! Take a deep breath and then exhale, you’ll be just fine.

[@LizAmazing]

Thanks so much for the support. Definitely taking deep breaths now. Stay tuned.

[@bikeny]

I gotta admit, I've never heard that phrase, but I love it. Thanks. And, yes, to the rest of your comment as well.

[@MacPakinga-gl8bu]

Keep them coming. RV companies have to be accountable 👍🏼

[@mrsjohnson1743]

What you have been doing is so important. These companies are literally raking in money from people's dream of buying an RV. There is no accountability or lemon laws for them, even though they usually cost much more than motor vehicles that are protected by lemon laws. I truly admire your work and courage in doing what is right and not backing down or being bought by the bullies.

[@theautotoyboxfollowyourdre9722]

You have been a blessing to all of us! These RVs cost a fortune to buy and moreover to maintain. I love it how numbers like 500k and 1 million for example can be called a bargain price for an RV and then we the customer get the product and are treated as if we don’t matter. I’ve had my own horror stories and I’m so glad you are ripping the cloak off of this industry. Our lives and livelihoods are at stake here and these companies don’t care.

[@robertkelly7687]

I’m not a RV’er! I enjoy your podcast…I have learned a lot. Thank you for standing up and doing the right thing! Consumers need to be warned of companies and shady practices…thanks again!