Indian vs. Harley-Davidson! Am I Switching?

I compare an Indian Challenger to a Harley Road Glide in this video and tell you what you need to know if you are considering purchasing either. We were fortunate to have this Indian Challenger for a few weeks and filmed a complete 12" handlebar and heated grips install on it. A detailed tutorial video will release eventually, so you can save money and do this project yourself.
I ride a 2018 police Harley Electra Glide with the Milwaukee-Eight 107 ci air-cooled V-Twin engine for my day job so I can loosely compare it to the new Powerplus 108 ci liquid-cooled engine coming in the Indian Challenger. I also ride my Harley Street Glide Special with the 103 ci engine off-duty many thousands of miles a year along with other bikes. I am also a police motorcycle instructor and I hope all of this qualifies me to review and compare the Indian to the Harley-Davidson.
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[@BaggerJay]

Hey Ryan, I'm a Challenger owner, former Street Glide owner. The Challenger is hands down the better bike for performance, handling and value. The GPS works without paying for it. What you have to pay for is the weather overlay and traffic if you want it.

[@fenixpreta6613]

This is not a review, this is a comparison between the Indian Challenger and the Harley Road Glide. I think it sounded very bias towards the Harley, sorry Ryan.

[@iceblood16]

Agreed, the challenger is a better bike for the price in my opinion.

[@BoogiemanMoto]

I 100% agree.

[@mwbrada]

Correct. When you're downplaying obvious benefits of one versus the other it no longer is a comparison.

[@TheMike0070]

Polaris is in the same league as are all the japanese brands. Harleys are precious metals 😂😂

[@nickpapagiorgio8038]

Yeah... He said "this is my opinion".

[@Big-Al.64]

I am a french biker and I can tell you that I will never buy an other bike than Harley, I'll love it since twenty years now, I am 62 years old, I own three Harleys and I hope they will drive me till the end of my life... Harley for ever... for ever Harley... Thank you Ryan for your videos .

[@joevsfood]

Yeah, Harley Davidson preys on people like you lol

[@carolinarider5237]

@@joevsfood 👍

[@joevsfood]

@@carolinarider5237 no disrespect brother. I have four Harleys. But I just switched to Indian and I am not looking back.

[@carolinarider5237]

@@joevsfood none taken. I'm agreeing with you. If I ever buy other bike it will a Indian.

[@Big-Al.64]

@@joevsfood and @Carolina Rider, no disrespect too, I prefer Hraley for the look, the rumble, the tradition and the customisation possibilities...

[@klchristian1522]

I own a 19 Street Glide. If I had to chose between a Road Glide and a Challenger, I'd chose the Challenger. For big guys the ergonomics on Indians is better. The Indian feels more balanced.

[@Kashmirknight]

Not to mention price' and POWER!

[@renatooi88]

And features like key fob for saddle bags, windshield that goes up and down etc.

[@Kashmirknight]

@@renatooi88If you want an up down windshield on a harley. That will be 5k please.

[@renatooi88]

@@Kashmirknight Exactly 😂

[@darrinburnet1477]

Nice to have enough power to pass too.

[@rmiami225]

Indian/Polaris is definitely testing my loyalty to Harley! Each bike they come out with gets better and better! The Challenger, the 22 Chief ... I think Indian is winning the non-Harley purchaser that Harley, because of their aging base, needs to capture!

[@AC16]

problem is how long before they go bye bye like victory?

[@tmar0075]

@@AC16 they won't Polaris has deep pockets n Indian is a marquee name that they can build on..good luck Harley ..😀

[@joedangelo5640]

@@AC16 Victory was never really successful. Unlike HD, Indian is turning a profit and increasing market share every year.

[@alfonsodennis8450]

How do you know this? Polaris never reveals their profit with the Indian. They list all of their products as Powersports.

[@joedangelo5640]

@@alfonsodennis8450 They release their profits in every 10-k, they just don't release unit sales numbers.

[@OzBloke]

Both Iconic brand names - yeah - I know the story! But I’ve had 5 Harleys - enjoyed ‘em…..but I’m giving Indian a shot because I like their approach, attitude and styling so far 😎

[@TRaider66]

Did you get your Indian yet? I got a Springfield Vintage Dark Horse and it’s my favorite bike I’ve had…by far.

[@coffeytnmilk]

Love the channel. Thanks. Lots and lots of cons in your review. Frankly, the electronic screen, ride modes and suspension are far superior. I was also surprised with your assessment of the brakes. I don’t think there is a comparison between the two and hope Harley upgrades and invests further. Lastly, I’m 6’5” and the Indian seat is so superior. Also love their tank. The tear drop is a tired, tired design.

[@waynephillips5741]

hmm my factory Brembos havent give me any negatives yet, hope they dont. 19 Ultra Limited....as far as performance the Goldwing will spank both.

[@tomchristian4304]

@@waynephillips5741 Happy with factory Brembos too

[@rsgabrys3080]

-------------------- a tired tired tired design is having only 2 cylinders.....a Indian of 1940 or a Henderson of 1930 were american motorcycles that a HD could NEVER measure up to ....to this day.... hey Ryan ....V- twin .... two too few....period.

[@pieceworkstudios]

@@waynephillips5741 They spank hard too 😂. I've been looking at those F6Bs. Man, good looking long azz bikes. I didn't like the style change in 18 as much but they're still really beautiful machines.

[@Ridingfish]

This was very well made great job!! You missed many things tho.. The triggers on the bars to help navigate the ride command. There is a ton of aftermarket windshields and other stuff Crash bars only come on limited The extra cost on navigation is for live weather and live traffic use.. To get the limited in HD (power, locking bags, rdrs ext) you would have to buy the CVO.. GREAT JOB THOUGHT I WOULD CLEAR SOME OF THAT UP..

[@gregleblanc9357]

Exactly. Hope his audience reads comments to get the facts straight.

[@amphibdriver1]

Outstanding video angles! I owned a 2020 Harley Electra standard and after installing three different sets of performance mufflers, stage one download, stage on air filter assembly, and after test riding a stock Indian Challenger my Harley 107 engine felt anemic in comparison. I traded my 2020 Electra Glide Standard in at the Harley dealership for a used 2019, Road Glide Ultra with a 114-inch engine in it. Even after a Woods cam, dyno-tuned Power Vision, fuel tuner, Fuel Moto, RTX two into one exhaust, Ventilator air filter, the stock Challenger felt ' SO MUCH FASTER ' from 3,500-4,000 RPMs. , gains RPM's much faster than my 114-inch Harley, easier to pick up off of the side stand, and I can take a curve much faster than I can on my 2019 Road Glide Ultra. The mono-shock on the Challenger is made by Fox and has more travel and rides over rough roads much better than a 2020 Harley Road Glide. The inverted forks on the Challenger take fast curves much better than the 2020 Road Glide.

[@mrsvetly]

better bike for less money. My Harley wobbles when I go 70 mph and I hit a sharp bump. Its little scary.

[@Jimmy_Jim_Jim_1234]

@@mrsvetly On my Dyna, yours might be the same, the rear Swingarm is bolted to the engin/transmission. Not the Frame. Thats INSANE. I wish i noticed that before i bought or i never would have. When the engine mounts wear out the rear wheel moves around like crazy and becomes DANGEROUS. Check your motor mounts...

[@HarrisBinUAE]

Ryan. The challenger comes with CarPlay. Why bother using the baked in gps when you can use Apple maps or Google maps?

[@jam471975]

Because Google Maps and Apple Maps do not have some of the route filters that are needed for motorcycles like avoid unpaved roads.

[@joedangelo5640]

@@jam471975 You can use Google Map Maker and filter out unpaved roads. Plus, there are other map apps available that have more options than either Indian or Harley, like TomTom - which you can use with Apple Car Play or Android Auto.

[@coop4274]

Plus using CarPlay uses your phone for service not gps. So if you don’t have cell service you don’t have gps. With gps you will never lose service no matter where you are. I use my phone for gps and connect to my helmet headset and there are lots of times I don’t have cell signal so I have no gps. Dedicated gps is always better.

[@jam471975]

@@joedangelo5640 you do realize that Google map maker went end-of-life in 2017 right? And it would be pretty difficult to use Google map maker when you're on the bike. Most of the time I uses maps is randomly when I'm already on the bike. As much as I hate Harley Maps there is just somethings it does better than other mapping app.

[@joedangelo5640]

@@jam471975 sorry... "My Maps" by Google. And, you can import gpx files. Plus, like I said before - TomTom app works with carplay. Beyond that, the navigation on an Indian is free for life, you pay (after 2 years) for the weather and traffic updates.

[@MCAdventurerHD131]

Great video and great work, Ryan. It’s videos like this - and a significant number of views - that force Indian, and subsequently Harley, to make a better product. Great way to use your voice. Thanks!

[@RyanUrlacher]

I appreciate that!

[@aussiebaggerbro]

g'day from down under, great review mate, honest and straight to the point, best review on the challenger i have seen in a while. I love the look of the challenger, but love my harley more!

[@RyanUrlacher]

Shout out down under! Thanks

[@stevekuechle9674]

Great review, couple comments 1. Nav will always work even after 2 years. The two year limit you spoke about is for the Weather and Traffic overlay on the nav. 2. You can run the touch screen from the bars there are toggles on the back side of the controls on your trigger fingers. 3. You can Bluetooth & WiFi sync nav maps. Look forward to hearing what you think after a long time review.

[@RyanUrlacher]

The standard does not come with navigation. It throws a screen asking you to contact the dealer.

[@mattshaggs2931]

@@RyanUrlacher Yeah, the nav on the base is an upgrade...$500 I think. Admittedly, I have 2018 Chieftain with Nav and after 3 years I have yet to even use it other than to watch for hard curves on unknown roads.

[@kennethbrown8313]

@@RyanUrlacher You can purchase the GPS for additional $500 on the base model. The subscription you are referring to is for Live weather overlay and Live traffic after 2 yrs.

[@justinsprunger1270]

I'm glad someone mentioned this. Pay-to-play premium services are pretty standard, two years to decide if you like it and want to pay for it. I love my RM, but I really wish Indian would give a Satellite Radio option, I think that is my biggest gripe with the setup.

[@chriskopeck8575]

The boombox is not only touch screen. There are manual controls as well. I went back and forth between the two bikes as well before I made my decision to go with a 2019 Road Glide Special. The 114 with a Stage II torque cam and a suspension upgrade to Legends (front and rear) performs just as well. I couldn't get away from the HD community, the waaaaaay bigger support system in terms of dealerships on long hauls. Finally, the style (personal preference) just "did it for me" with the HD. I was/am a big fan of the Challenger and think Indian has a great product. But I just love my Road Glide. Stay safe, brother.

[@RyanUrlacher]

The new Boom Box GTS (2019 and newer) is all touch screen. As mentioned, there are toggles on each handlebar. The older Boom Box had touch screen and soft buttons.

[@chriskopeck8575]

@@RyanUrlacher yeah man, I made that comment just before you mentioned the toggles, to which is what I was referring. My bad. Safe safe brother.

[@rocky-wo7xl]

But…as you say, had to add aftermarket cams and suspension to “perform just as well”. For the price Harley wants, shouldn’t have to shell out potentially thousands to rise to Indian’s bar. And this is coming from an Ultra Limited owner.

[@stevenhaselbach290]

I love how you showed the TCS irl because most people doing reviews dont do it so you have to find out yourself as soon as you have the bike. :) thx for this nice vid and infos

[@keithkuehlewind4732]

Great, professional and fair assessment Ryan .. I'm sharing the video on our Screaming Banshee Facebook page! Thank you for a wonderful video!

[@RyanUrlacher]

Awesome thank you!

[@chuckhanson35]

I don’t have a challenger or road glide but I traded my ultra for a Road Master. The Indian has a so much better ride I had to trade. Glad I did!!

[@safelyanonymous5717]

have heard the same from many harley riders who have moved to indian they all rave about the ride is so much better than their harley

[@harryhowell5644]

I rode the new roadmaster limited today at a demo ride. It did feel and ride nice. It felt tiny compared to my ultra limited. The infotainment screen was moving up and down during the ride which was concerning to me. Grabbed it with my hand but it felt tight? It did ride well a little bit stiff. The power was good but not as smooth as my ultra limited. Not enough of a difference for me to trade.

[@nationalvicepresidentbigda1070]

You are wrong. You can control the complete functions of the ride command without touch screen. You have the trigger buttons as well.

[@quarles1939]

Had several bikes in the past like Yamaha 1900, Stratoliner. than I tested HD Road glide and street glide, but after I tested Indian Chieftain limited I falling in love with Indian. Very nice handling and smooth driving 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼🤘🏼

[@darrinburnet1477]

And you have power to pass more than one car at a time.

[@tyroneshoelace4872]

I own an Indian and a Harley. The Indian has had 1 malfunction in four years, and the Harley has had 5 malfunctions in six months. In addition, despite the longer operating history, Harley service techs. are clueless, and Harley HQ could care less about their customer's. What I'm saying is not news to anyone, it's just that I now have experienced it first hand.

[@jimtomstimpson1477]

I change the windshield height on my Roadmaster almost every ride. I can look over it or through it depending on conditions. It's like you have 6 windshields in one so why would you need aftermarket ? I'll never go back to a fixed shield. Virtually every manufacturer that offers a touring line puts power shield on as standard. HONDA, BMW, KAWASAKI, YAMAHA, INDIAN, VICTORY. Agreed , its about knees in the breeze no matter the make. Also agree HD has a much more established dealer network.

[@danielstewart7732]

I used the power window on every ride on my Roadmaster, and I use the power window on my Challenger every ride. It's only a "gimmick" until you ride with one through a thunderstorm on a highway, and then go back into stop and go traffic in a city.

[@jimtomstimpson1477]

@@danielstewart7732 agreed! My passenger loves it too. at full up, Causes the air to go over her helmet instead of punching her in the face. Another scenario , go through a pressure/temp change and fog collects on the shield. The ONLY people that I EVER heard dismiss the power shield, ride a brand that doesn't offer them. Yeah, it's a big deal. Btw, there is only one brand that makes a touring line that doesn't offer it. Ride modes are also a big deal. I never thought I would say that before I had ride modes. (again, only one brand dragging their feet on this feature)

[@RyanUrlacher]

I actually had one on an older Honda. Never used it. Just left it up. I prefer to get a more precise windshield with proper flow for me. Just my opinion and experience as stated.

[@jimtomstimpson1477]

@@RyanUrlacher you're entitled to that brother

[@Bill-NBfarming]

You do a bike evaluation like I do! Great job. Great bike too. Just, well, not a Harley. I came from many, many years on a gold wing. Oddly the Indian touring bikes remind me a lot of what the wings used to be. The Harley has some huge disappointments (suspension etc) but there are numerous aftermarket fixes.

[@HarrisArt]

Really great video coverage in this. Nice work.

[@RyanUrlacher]

Thanks a ton!

[@craigwilliams1073]

You didn't talk about the differences in Liquid cooled vs the Air cooled? This is why I watch your clips!!! Outstanding!!!

[@sirglogglubardons150]

Switched from a 2015 harley street glide special to a 2019 Indian chieftain limited and no regrets.

[@harryhowell5644]

A 2019 street glide would be a big upgrade too lol

[@michaelschmitzerle2587]

Love those Indian motorcycles! They just keep getting better and better!!

[@michaelschmitzerle2587]

@@GiancarloBenzina , Can’t agree, I’ve owned and ridden Harleys since 1972. Both for pleasure and work. Made it through the time when AMF had their foot on Harley-Davidson, until they got away from AMF with the help of then President Regan. I’m glad to see both Indian and Harley-Davidson both on American roads. It’s good for the country that they are. I ride a 2017 Indian road master now and have 41 thousand trouble free seasonal miles on it so far and I’m pretty sure 50 thousand miles will be on the odometer by this fall. Polaris/Indian has only been in existence for 7 model years. They are doing a terrific job with their line up of bikes. I get questionnaires from Indian every year asking what they can do to improve their line of motorcycles. I like that. It’s good business. It’s been a tough year for HD. They dropped their CVO line this year and didn’t come out with their 2021 model line until January/February of this year. However, I don’t want Harley-Davidson to go under! On the contrary, I want them to do well and thrive even. Like is said, it’s good for America that two historical and well known iconic American names are back on American roads together again👍

[@jimkoch1040]

Another great video Ryan. We appreciate it!

[@RyanUrlacher]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@RevJay_Rides]

This is an excellent review! It’s a detailed review and hits the details most riders want to hit.

[@RyanUrlacher]

Thanks so much!

[@phoso29]

I agree 100%...It should come with standard crash bars! Great review and now I have some info to take back to the dealer and see what they're reaction is when I bring up some of these points.

[@RyanUrlacher]

👍

[@phoso29]

@@RyanUrlacher I really appreciate your responses. 👍

[@johnvaleriewelbers2995]

Great review been years since been on that canyon road. 🤓😎 nice. Harley does need to step up there game with things. 😎🏍💨💨💨💨💨👍🏻🇨🇦

[@kevindwight5460]

Great video! I respect what Indian is putting on the road but there will never be a replacement for a Harley!

[@bradhardy2629]

your maintenance costs will always be way higher then the Indian , Guaranteed .

[@nickpapagiorgio8038]

Brad, that's been proven to be bunk. Cost of maintenance and repair of the baggers, Indian to Harley, is higher for Indian.

[@llawwncorwynt1469]

Sold my batwing and got my first Road Glide. Love that 2021 114. Love the ride on a shark nose.

[@darrinburnet1477]

How are you enjoying the masive 75 hp?

[@larrysimmons9732]

@@darrinburnet1477 it's as eligible for a speeding ticket as everyone else...

[@edwinparedesnjusa]

Forgot to mention that Indian Challenger has top of the line front investors suspensions , a mono rear suspension which help the geometry of the bike when taking corners, plus top of the line brembo break, oilcooler so that engine won't cook your legs on a long trip, and yes I want power on my Touring bike because when I'm riding with my wife and our bags I definitely need power to move that weight .

[@s.in.bagger9933]

Exactly, he completely skipped everything that makes the Challenger perform better than the RG in every way. I care more about the engine, suspension, brakes, chassis, more so than navigation. This guy is clearly a HD fan and that's fine, but lay all the facts on the table.

[@davidkbrees]

Nice overview and comparison. I'm still leaning towards the Indian Challenger myself, mainly for the little nit-picks and personal preferences that you didn't like ( Turn signal switch, Water cooled, Windshield). To each their own, stay safe!

[@RyanUrlacher]

Challenger is a great bike.

[@bradlozano2571]

@@RyanUrlacher You dont look like a young Guy...So i can talk real with you...Ive owned Metrics...a Victory...and 2 HD's...I am not impressed with electronic gadgets...I only look at the Basics of what Motorcycles are...If Indian makes a Bike with A plain windshield Leatherhard Bags with the Challenger Engine....Comprable to the Hertiage Classic Softail for under 20K...I would consider switching...

[@rsanchez5676]

Love this review the best. Very thorough. Loved the traction control test.

[@RyanUrlacher]

Glad you liked it!

[@pjeng1]

I like HD Breakout a lot. So, I went to visit a local HD dealership and they wanted to charge me a lot over MSRP. So, I eventually bought a 1/12 scale model and I have become a happy owner now ever since.

[@PSPTommyG]

Thank-you for all your hard work in putting these videos together! Great vid and good points! Great work Brother!💙 Enjoyed the slow circles! 💥💫

[@RyanUrlacher]

Rock on!!

[@danmartinez1177]

I have owned both. 2015 Road Glide then the 2020 Challenger and this year went back to 2021 Road Glide. For me it was style more than anything. I felt like the Challenger was a great performing bike just lacked style (my opinion before everyone tires to jump on my back) you have your's I'm entitled to mine). Both great bikes in different ways. I grew up in the HD family so I suppose for me there is some degree of brand loyalty. Oh and BTW there is resale to consider!

[@dbthedoulos]

Ryan, I consider myself a newbie in the riding. I only log about 30k a year on two wheels, the past 10 years or so. Learning from guys like you with so much more experiance is always a blessing. Thank you for all you do to keep us thinking, informed and connected with the good gear. I have an HD street glide special in the US. I ride a BMW 1200 and a Honda 750NCS as a city bike in Europe where I live primarly and your content is so helpful. I am sorry for the jerks who will hate on this video becuase you rode something other than the “true” american iron horse. Riding is a lifestyle, and I absolutely love how you model that for us younger riders. Blessings brother and keep up the great content. I will agree with some of the comments you seem a bit slanted toward the Harley, but hey ….. I am tilted toward my smaller lighter bike in Athens Greece for lane spliting! You were very honest that your opinion was your opinion. Thanks for the review.

[@RyanUrlacher]

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[@rcafmaintainer3723]

Definitely agree the crash bar should be included. beautiful bike, and newer tech engine.

[@tonyj8947]

Good review Ryan. As for the Harley audio system id rather have an aftermarket system installed than the boom box. I have friends with both and the boom box guys would get aftermarket if they had to do it again. Myself, I was in a toss-up between buying a Harley heritage classic V107 or the Indian super chief limited. I test rode them both & I ended up getting a 2020 harley heritage classic V107 in vivid black. The Indian is beautiful and rode nicely. I don't have anything bad to say about the bike but my dream bike was a harley and finally got a brand new one. If i thought the Indian all around rode better it would have been a very tough decision but it didn't ride better. My issue with Indian itself is the lack of dealerships.

[@frank118]

The Polaris “Indian” bikes are great in that they push Harley to up their game. The 2021 Harley lineup is really solid in large part due to the competition.

[@johnvanzelm2307]

Harley has changed relatively nothing in their 2021 Lineup other than taking away from the bikes. Cable clutch for example.

[@talkingrock7011]

Opinions vary and I thought going to a cable is a step backwards

[@frank118]

@@talkingrock7011 I have always preferred the cable clutch. For some reason it’s smoother for me than the hydraulic one. Also, I like the retro feeling

[@talkingrock7011]

@@frank118 I’ve ridden with a cable clutch since 1970 and changed to a hydraulic in 2009 and perfectly happy and would never go back to a cable but that’s just me

[@StevePhillips76]

Great review! This bike has so much Victory DNA. As a former Victory owner I like nearly everything on it (from what I’ve seen) the fairing has taken a while for me to warm up to but it’s getting there for me. I would say if you’re coming from sport bikes and want more comfort when touring this or a Victory Cross bike might be a great fit, if you have always loved Harleys then obviously you would probably prefer a bike with the suffix “glide”. Again thanks for making a quality review with both your likes and dislikes and relevant comparisons to Harley.

[@jasonjohhnson7270]

Very thorough review! Most reviews seem to miss the excellent suspension and the annoying handlebar vibration and throttle lag. Glad you noted that it is silly to have a dresser in that price range with no protection from highway bars. This is a great machine with good power and Indian/Polaris needs to finish the platform. Maybe a color option other than black or grey without the extra $5K price tag couldn't hurt. Thanks for all your work. Ride Safe!

[@RyanUrlacher]

Thanks for weighing in!

[@6806goats1]

Test rode the Challenger and then the RGS after meeting with you in Sturgis last year. Stayed with Harley but traded in 2 of my bikes to get the Road Glide Limited. Bumped up to the 131 kit before taking delivery and it’s a beast.

[@usmcvet0313]

I bet! My dad has a '12 Ultra Classic with the 120R. Dyno'd at 141 hp and 140 ft-lbs, which moves that bike really well. Most fun bagger I've ridden.

[@rickseibel5904]

Is it still together?

[@usmcvet0313]

@@rickseibel5904 my dad's 120R is, still running great.

[@michaelpatterson9897]

Solid review Ryan; thanks for taking the time to put it up. I'll stay with my 2018 SGS HD.

[@josephpupino6632]

FYI you mentioned you had a problem muting the sound system if you press the volume button straight in once it mutes and unmutes the system. I purchased this exact bike last September and some of my input goes as follows. The throttle is terrible for low speed maneuvers and most will be holding the throttle a little high and using the clutch to modulate a little more but once on the highway the throttle is good. I give the edge to Harley on that on definitely. This bike because of the power and suspension components pushes into a sport tourer category I feel the Chieftain line is more comparable to the Harley touring bikes. There is definitely more feedback from the engine especially at speed but that is because the engine is rigid mounted where as the Harley is balanced and rubber mounted definitely a smoother ride on the Harley. The infotainment center on the base model Challenger whether or not its a software issue or processor is slow and glitchy. As far as the windshield goes totally not glitchy, I use it constantly its awesome, I too had my doubts live with it for more than one ride and you will be a believer. One final note the biggest draw to this bike for me was suspension and handling, there is absolutely no comparison between a stock Harley touring bike and Indian the suspension, ride and handling are just superior I came off a 2017 Road Glide and until I invested in some Ohlins which made it better but no where near as good as a stock Indian.

[@talkingrock7011]

It’s a personal thing with what you want to ride , I will stay with my HD thanks Ryan

[@RyanUrlacher]

U betcha

[@bradhardy2629]

@@RyanUrlacher obviously you are VERY BIASED and like the harley wobbleson better who cares . same old PROBLEMS , SUMPING ISSUES, BAD CAM PLATE cheaply made cast design . so you have to spend thousands of dollars to fix harleys mistakes cause they know you will . poor in denial H.D . guy's

[@talkingrock7011]

I don’t know where brad gets his information from but I definitely haven’t had the issues he’s referring to , I guess he’s a H-D hater

[@davidnicholson7798]

That scenery is amazing!😎

[@166benja]

Amazing indeed. Where did you shoot the video? Thanks.

[@larrydaniels1]

Great review. Indian makes a good looking bike. As you have said,I wouldn’t give up my Harley, but I’d have one of each if money were no object! Thanks, Ryan!

[@RyanUrlacher]

U betcha!!

[@fier23]

The radio mute is WAY easier than my Harley. Just press the left toggle that has the music note. And you can access the entire command system with all the toggles. There are 2 in front and 2 behind. I’ve had 3 Harleys oil sump and ruin all 3 engines. Until that is completely fixed I’m not buying another. Oh and I LOVE that my windshield is motorized. Not “gimmicky” in the least........

[@frederickeng135]

I have owned 2 Street Glides and 3 recent year Road Glides....Just bought a 2023 Challenger. Love it....far superior in ride, handling, electronics, modern features, etc

[@spazonwheels]

I thought the windshield was gimmicky too at first, but after thousands of miles I use it everyday. Up on the highway down in town. I am running a Klockwerks Windshield which I love the looks of.

[@donnyirish190]

Nice review, the Indian motor won’t have motor issues like the HD ALWAYS does. The Victory bikes were the same, put gas in change the oil and go.

[@nickpapagiorgio8038]

That's the dumbest comment.

[@brianmaclennan561]

True story bro

[@karengill8234]

Great review Ryan. Many thanks from the UK. ......

[@jt.4930]

I test rode the challenger last week to look at whether I would buy one. Even though it was well balance and the power was there, I felt the bike felt kinda cheapy. The harley felt alot better but of course not as performance of the challenger. If I would spend that much money, for me, I would buy the Harley.

[@talkingrock7011]

Indian has gone the way of Honda using plastic with paint and chrome parts

[@OutdoorsEngineer]

NIce. I"ve always had my eyes on the Chieftain. I feel like they look pretty sweet. But I do like my Ultra!

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

I'll tell you what. I've had plenty of rides with guys I know with Harleys, people come up to look at our bikes, don't give a damn about the HDs with the Indian sitting there.

[@hokieheman]

Loved the video. Good work. Test rode both HD RGS and the Challenger summer of '20. Ended up with HD. Different overall feel. The engine and transmission sounds, the vibration on the bars and the seat. Liked Harley better. Never rode HD or Indian before. Or any cruisers. Now I understand the Harley culture.

[@RyanUrlacher]

Thanks for sharing!

[@darrinburnet1477]

Cool to go slow great womans bike.

[@I05tream]

I ride both an Indian and a Harley, both are terrific bikes, but the ownership experience of Harley is much better. Not only are there more dealers, if you have an issue on the road, there are a lot more independent mechanics who will work on Harley as well. Indian dealerships also seem to have less corporate oversight than Harley, so there is less consistency among them. H.O.G. is a large and active group, IMRG gets no corporate and little dealer support, and doesn't really do much in most areas. Bike for bike, both are great. Company for company, I think Indian still has a lot of work to do.

[@mikemcgeehan4321]

Excellent review Ryan. I’m at this point in my choice. Thank you.

[@RyanUrlacher]

Good luck!!

[@jimtomstimpson1477]

I have a 2020 Roadmaster. There is no charge ever for GPS. There is charge after 2 years only if want to keep the live traffic and live weather overlay which I believe HD also does not even offer.

[@MotoMengy]

I test rode the Challenger and loved it. I owned Road Glides for 10 years but I really liked the Challenger a lot. It was much better in some ways but HD still has a few pros in its corner too. There isn't a clear winner, it all comes down to what the riders priorities are IMHO.

[@RyanUrlacher]

👍

[@stavrosescobar1624]

Great video. The Challenger gives you the best of both worlds; performance in a touring package.

[@WarPig2012]

I couldn't decide between the HD or Challenger. So I bought a Victory cross country.

[@joevsfood]

Nice!

[@sludge3587]

Good choice

[@servicarrider]

You absolutely can't go wrong with a Victory. By the way the Challenger was designed and patented by Victory Motorcycle. But then they developed the original Chief / Chieftain line as well, right down to the art deco R2D2 fairing on the old tube steel framed Victory Touring Cruiser platform which was discontinued in 2006, so they've been around for a minute.

[@gregoryjohnson4319]

Awesome!!! I have a Victory Vision, virtually indestructible. I Love My Bike. I'm a left leg amputee and I can't stay off it... Ride Safe...

[@joevsfood]

@@gregoryjohnson4319 you're not a left-leg amputee, you're a gosh dang beast. Keep it up bro

[@thewitness9305]

pretty sure their is 2 more triggers on the backside of the controls you missed for navigating and using the stuff on the screen as well!

[@tygodine]

Ryan your video title said am I switching? I’m guessing no. Lol

[@rmiami225]

i’m thinking, Indian will have to come out with a badass police bike to get Ryan interested! 🤣

[@semtech30]

That was a fair review. I must agree with your points Ryan. Either-or. your getting wind on the knee's. PS....I don't want to be looking at a screen while riding. Some are getting to busy for my needs. Eyes on the road.

[@daveross5314]

Ryan I studied this thing for a year its got its pros and cons like all makes. What I didn't do before buying the exact model and color your testing was check the accessories and prices. They are ridiculous on there prices ie: rear sissy bar and back rest 900.00 ?? Then the other stuff crash bars passenger foot boards etc. And the limited amou!nt of accessories. But it rides great very comfy. 47 years riding HDs. I traded my 17 Tri - Glide in on the Indian, HD Tri-glide biggest pos I ever owned.Thank you Ryan for your review and your service!!!

[@RyanUrlacher]

Thanks for the comments Dave.

[@tunerd1]

What was wrong with the triglide?

[@harryhowell5644]

Nice review, learned a few things I didn't know about the challenger. For me it's missing some things I really enjoy. Like lowers, crash bars and tourpack. I ride an ultra limited which seems like the perfect touring bike. Have it dialed in pretty good after stage 2. Still would like to upgrade the seat and suspension though. Update! I got a chance to demo ride both the challenger and roadmaster. Loved the clutch and overall ride. They felt really nimble and fit me well as a smaller rider. Both bikes need some attention to the tuning and audio. Not enough to make me trade my ultra limited. It was a good time fun bikes for sure..good job indian

[@barendfourie6687]

Look at the roadmaster then you compare apples to apples

[@harryhowell5644]

@@barendfourie6687 I really like the new roadmaster limited. Felt light fit me well.

[@Dead_Assassin]

You a bike police instructor that cool I see now 😊

[@themotorcyclegene]

I just recently upgraded from a 2015 Kawasaki Vulcan S 650 to a 2016 Indian Roadmaster with a 111 cubic inch engine, and I have no regrets. Also, I watch a lot of motorcycle content, and your stuff is by far the most cinematic and has the highest production quality of any channel I watch, excluding the channels ran by the big motorcycle brands or stores. I appreciate all you do for the biking community. I am subscribed to your channel and your podcast. Keep up the good work.

[@paulsatkiewicz7472]

Enjoy your video as always. I did not notice you talking about the difference in the seats that would be nice, also it just might be me but when I buy a motorcycle I want to know how much heat is coming off the engine. Thanks for the video

[@RyanUrlacher]

Stock seat in the video. It was like all stock seats and will need to be changed for any serious long distance touring. Just like Harley seats.

[@TheK9COPPER]

I really enjoy my 2019 Springfield Dark Horse but never have ridden an HD so I can’t say one is better. Just comes down to personal preference.

[@jaermike]

Ryan nice review, the Dark Horse in matt grey looks better 😜👍🏻

[@mattshaggs2931]

The base model challenger comes in black and that matte grey this year....that matte grey looks awesome

[@talkingrock7011]

Thanks for the honest review Ryan

[@RyanUrlacher]

Absolutley!

[@Jay-uo6wb]

Rented a big Indian once. The 2 things I liked were the saddlebags that locked with the clicker like virtually every car made in the last 20 years and I also liked the electric windshield that goes up & down. That said, I have a Harley and will probably not be switching

[@HarleyFatBoyJr]

absolutely love the challenger!!

[@christiantorres6746]

Is that a 2020? If so do the firmware update and the gps will work better. My honest opinion... hands down the challenger is better then the roadglide and streetglide. There's no comparison unless confirmation bias is influencing the buyers decision. I was in the market for a new bike. Tried both Harley street glide and road glide and the cheiftain dark horse. All 3 felt small but the Cheiftain was a better motorcycle then the harleys. I'm 6 feet. When i rode the challenger it was amazing. The challenger does have room for improvement. I agree with your take on the throttle response. It can be improved. Lloydz has that solved with the Ecu flash but that's an extra $600. On the flip side Harleys have bigger issues with crank runout, sump issues, etc. Not to mention harley changed their crank runout specs as to minimize warranty claims. Harley doesn't value their riders. By the time you reach their runout specs for warranty your out of warranty. Misinformation or confirmation bias is the name of the game if someone buys a harley. It is the lesser bike in 2021...by a longshot. Harlys do have beautiful paint jobs. I'll give them that.

[@mountainsilverfox3619]

You nailed it right at the end...aftermarket! You can really build a HD from a catalog and there isn't much out there to make the bike yours...I would still buy one I think though... One question for you...where are you riding during this test? It looks amazing!

[@cewonz8884]

I did a demo ride on it and I really enjoyed the ride. Only problem I had with the bike was that the ride was too short. Really nice bike. I agree Ryan buy a sportbike if ya fly down the road. This bike great for touring. 👍

[@f.t.w1066]

Well said, Long Live Harley Davidson....👍👍👍🇦🇺

[@RoadKing05FLHR]

Any words on support? One of the best things about touring on a Harley is pulling into the nearest dealership for tires and oil change. No appointment needed.

[@RyanUrlacher]

I talk about it in the video. Check it out

[@coop4274]

No appt needed? Idk what Harley dealers you go to but I’ve never seen one that doesn’t need an appt for service lmao.

[@RoadKing05FLHR]

@@coop4274 all over the country. I've never made an appointment.

[@rmiami225]

Have you noticed how many Harley Davidson dealerships have close this past year?

[@coop4274]

@@RoadKing05FLHR I’ve never seen a dealership that would take you in for service without having an appt. it just doesn’t work that way. If that was how they did it they’d be swamped and never get anything done. Or your bike would sit there all day waiting for them to get a time slot open to do it lol. They don’t have 50 techs just sitting around waiting for people to drive in for service. Lol

[@jamesholbookridingaround]

Just started following you. Great content and videos. Where are you located? The scenery is stunning!

[@RyanUrlacher]

Thanks for the sub! Eastern Washington State near Yakima

[@matt51402]

As a retired HD mechanic,I am not a big fan of the Milwaukee 8 engine,I love my Evo's.I was interested in checking out the Indian, but due to you're video,I have changed my mine.

[@klchristian1522]

The Challenger fairing is closer to a Kawasaki Vaquero

[@lennyevans4724]

At the end of the day, I still prefer Harley. On a preference issue, I'm in the Niagara Falls, Ont area and I believe the closest Indian is 2 hours away... that's a turn off for me..

[@gfunk63901]

And that’s the only reason I’d buy a Harley. Bad enough that there’s only one triumph service center near me

[@randolphbutton]

I can feel and understand your affinity for Harley, and rightfully so. You are 100% spot on when comparing the plastic covers to the natural open look of the Harley. I have owned both an Ultra Classic and a Victory Vision, and I felt the same way, but in my case because the Ultra was a 1999 with nearly 100k miles when I got rid of it, the Vision rode like a sports bike, and the Harley was like riding an accordion. I have since also test rode a Harley Road Glide, and I really like that bike a LOT. I would love to ride them back to back one day, but if the Indian rides anything like the Victory Vision , then I might be torn. The Vision is a bike that is totally unique in it's looks (I call it ugly), but it has been absolutely trouble free and fits me like a glove. So while you have a bias towards the Harley after spending so much time with it, and I imagine it is like an old pair of boots for you, the same holds true for me with the Victory so I would likely be bias towards the Indian.

[@Fernando90054]

My opinion is that at this level of quality there are no bad bikes. All bikes in this segment are superb. The support and technical assistance though is another chapter and relevant limitations or not, but if you choose a bike difficult to be assisted, one day things that could be easy to fix, can turn ugly. I go for the looks and riding sensations but reliability is key on this machines.

[@bigdog3495]

Indians are nice but I'm Harley all day. Love my cvo streetglide and ultra limited.

[@lanegustafson929]

Ryan thanks for a great review. I'm with you about the looks and styling of the Indian. I'm on my second Harley ('20 CVO Limited) and prefer the way they look.

[@laxrider8818]

awesome review man, Indian has defiantly step up their game in the last few years and they are getting better,. I love Harley Davison as they make beautiful iconic bikes, but its good to know that we another American brand that is "Challenging" the bar and shied. side not: is there a reason for mounting on the opposite side of the bike?

[@tonyc2912]

I rode a Challenger last year out of curiosity. It actually was pretty smooth with lots of power. I couldn't get over the looks, very plasticky and the controls looked just like those from the Polaris Slingshot.

[@Pyro1776]

I am a Harley guy... but we are shopping around for a bike for my wife... she sat on a scout bobber and loved it. At 6’ 4”, I actually could ride it. I also sat on a dark bourse that was built out... not bad bikes. I will always own my Ultra Limited, but I do foresee an Indian in my garage too.

[@RyanUrlacher]

Thanks for sharing!

[@drodNY]

Ryan, I like your content and follow all of your videos but you never mentioned any of the features on the bike that Harley does not have. It's supposed to be a side by side comparison. Performance, technology, and features like being liquid cooled, having locking saddle bags, adjustable windshield, inverted front shocks, mono shock in the rear, LED lights front and rear, and bluetooth headset capable that does not require another harley purchase or installation part. I came from years of riding Harley bikes, especially their baggers, having owned multiple Street Glide Specials and Road Glides. I have never owned or even looked at an Indian until the Challenger came out. After one demo ride I was sold, and traded by new SGS for the Challenger that day. It is hands down the best bagger on the market. The 108 engine competes and outperforms the Harley's 114 and the 117 CVO models. I wouldn't dismiss it so quickly. It's getting awesome reviews and increasing sales. The throttle response issue you described can easily be fixed with a tune. These bikes are not cable driven.. New technology, it's all ride by wire software driven. Aftermarket items have also caught up to the point there are tons of options for bars, seats, windshields, floor board, pegs, lights, and anything else a rider needs. And this bike needs very little to make it nicer. All the things you would change on a Harley have already been improved in this bike. I'm sold. Haven't looked back. Like Harleys but love the Indian.

[@davidbeauchamp9663]

Now that is complete honesty. Well said.

[@lewisfrank578]

Great video! Pluses & minus for each as a comparison should be.

[@RyanUrlacher]

Glad you liked it!

[@tfmac2011]

Coming into that corner at 8:15 you had me saying Whoa

[@justanotherviewer52]

It's a really nice looking bike. Based on your information, it seems like the purchase is going to be a matter of personal preference. I think I'll stick with my Road Glide Ultra.

[@RyanUrlacher]

Definitely. It will depend on personal preference on so many items.

[@skindeeptattoo2319]

I’ve always wanted a Harley. After riding a Honda for a while, I finally went and bought a brand new Harley this past February. After 3 rides and only 100 miles, had an oil leak from the rocker box. Needless to say, I hope my future with my bike isn’t as annoying as my beginning has been 😂 Hope I don’t regret not getting the Scout bobber

[@windtherapy99]

What Harley did you get? I have never had any issues with any of my bikes.

[@skindeeptattoo2319]

@@windtherapy99 I got the 2020 softail standard. Was then told it’s normal to have an oil leak there and it can leak up to 1000 miles before it quits. Oil spraying all over the exhaust and passengers foot is “normal”. So I’ve had it in the shop for a week now getting fixed because I don’t feel it’s normal.

[@windtherapy99]

@@skindeeptattoo2319 huh, only thing I could think of is the gaskets aren’t fully seated or something until break in is over... sure it’s coming from the rocker boxes and not the air cleaner? The lots of newer harleys are known to occasionally do that, especially if you have your oil filled to the brim. They will spit a little oil from the air cleaner... this is solved with a vented dipstick and not filling your oil all the way up on the dipstick. Leaving it a tiny bit lower than the full mark.

[@keithpost3697]

Sorry, but the review was disguised as a promotion for HD in my humble opinion.

[@amazingredkitty3605]

Harley's answer to every problem is "they all do that".

[@alp3781]

Learning more about the Indian and seeing it in a bike show, damn man !!! No question about it for me. Indian is coming a long freaking way, HD seems as they are standing low not tall. I would love to bring an Indian home, I just love my Goldwing so much. Maybe one day, a second one.

[@Mac1968ish]

Good video Ryan keep them coming. The jacket you are wearing does that have armor in the shoulder and elbows?

[@RyanUrlacher]

Yes ==. www.lawabidingbiker.com/revit-worker-overshirt/