Ryzen 7000 vs Low Profile Coolers

[@marvinfernandez2583]

great timing for the Fractal Ridge case which requires and are compatible with some of these low profile coolers

[@nohpleft]

time for a case review *hint hint

[@RayWelpott]

Compatible with every cooler on here, the BSU is the one I’m interested in

[@christofferaasted]

the question is.. is Ryzen 7000 worth it over 13th gen if Ryzen 7000 in general runs so hot despite the low TDP on non-x versions.. Not lots of MB options for ITX on either side and especially the AM5-ITX mb seems riddled with issues unless you buy the most expensive ASUS B650E-I.. Too bad the non-x versions weren't tested..

[@MrDutch1e]

​@christofferaasted the b650e-i is probably the most problematic board in the itx lineup for am5. Tbf asus has more bios issues at every level and size tho. Asrock is the way to go for am5 across the board.

[@RetroTeddyBear]

@@MrDutch1e ASrock's illegal warranty policies are what have pushed me away from them.

[@ryans3199]

I feel like there's not really enough coverage for SFF enthusiasts, so I really appreciate that you guys did this video. Thank you!

[@bluekornchips]

Phenomenal video. These are the kinds of comparisons I love from you guys - especially the attention to nuance. Incredibly helpful, easy to understand, and allows me to make a more informed decision.

[@earthtaurus5515]

Incredibly informative and a top notch video. This has really help shape up future builds when I recycle the current parts on AM4 and AM5. In regards to build planning, I would say everyone should be very meticulous about it especially pricing and trend anaylsis (yes it sounds fancy - however, we all do it every day especially grocery shopping) as people would save a tonne of money.

[@iamChermac]

I have recently switched my focus to primarily SFF builds so thank you for this video. Coincidentally, I am patiently waiting for the N-ATX and P-ATX cases to go back on sale. I also like how you touched on PBO Curve Optimiser. Optimum Tech did a very detailed video on it titled 'Ryzen 5000 Undervolting with PBO2 - Absolutely Worth Doing'. A big tip in that video which helped me with my Zen 3 builds was that some Asus BIOS settings have an extra setting called 'PBO Limits'. If that setting is there for a particular motherboard (noted the one in the video does not have this), it needs to be disabled for the undervolted curve to have the desired effect.

[@josiahjones7654]

Optium Tech is the SFF Guru

[@iamChermac]

@@josiahjones7654 Hardware Canucks, Optimum Tech and Gear Seekers are becoming my steady favourite for SFF content. Each brings something special to the table.

[@earthtaurus5515]

@@iamChermac Indeed, each have a wealth of knowledge that really helps build planning and troubleshooting to boot.

[@i.amvulcan8373]

Now with the Non-X variants, I would like to see this same thing done again! Maybe with some overclocking 😏

[@lukababilodze4283]

Non X variants come with stock coolers if I'm not mistaken, so without overclocking it would be sufficient even in sff cases I think, but yes, overclocking is also interesting

[@JudgeDredd02]

More SFF content please! These videos are super informative.

[@warnacokelat]

Thanks for testing these cooler at 50% speed!

[@Flutes2000]

Great, now how about the 65W non-X versions?

[@michaelthompson9798]

Great to see a reviewer finally do ITX cpu cooler testing with new Ryzen 7000 series 👍🥰✊

[@richardfarmer6570]

Nice testing. When I first saw the 7000 series I was like oh no there goes SFF cases usage, nice to see with some proper tuning you can still get decent cooling and performance.

[@voidisciple2759]

Thanks Mike I love the deep dive into small form factor coolers definitely throws a wrench in the works for the future of this form factor to some degree. For a small period of time the highest performance gear was useable in the smallest footprint just as that was developing into the mainstream production of itx cases we might see this era coming to an end... at least for a generation or two. I imagine that out of case radiators are going to be more common in the forum posts for a little while. My only hope is that somehow this results in itx cases with 360 aio compatibility outside of that one sliger case this area feels rather unoptimized in the current market. I've done some calculations and with the modern size of gpu coolers almost matching up to 360 rads it should be possible within 18 liters of volume and no need for a riser cable. I haven't modeled anything though.

[@BlackLightningBird]

Please add the Jonsbo low profile coolers (HP-400S, HX4000D and HX6000D) to future tests. They are rated for big TDPs by the manufacturer but I'd love to see it being benchmarked.

[@tomhuang5066]

I' using a 7600 (yes, this is the 7600 with 65W TDP) with AXP120-x67. This fan is similar to the Scythe Big Shuriken 3B, using 6 heat pipes and a 12-inch fan. I found that it was unable to suppress the 7600 under the stock setting of the CPU with all cores and full load. The temperature soared to 95 degrees and the CPU frequency could only reach about 4.9G. When playing games, it can often reach 70-80 degrees or even 90 degrees, and the CPU utilization is only 15%-25%. I adjusted the PBO -40 optimized voltage curve (yes, this CPU is of good quality), adjusted the SOC voltage -0.025 and set the temperature limit to 83 degrees. Only then can the temperature be acceptable(60-70, most of time less 80 degree) in daily games. The good news is that I released the PBO freq up to 200MHZ, so it's single core usually can reach 5.3G in daily usage. The new generation of Ryzen 7000 is really hot. This is already the lowest-end CPU in the series, but still.

[@huynhquochuy4945]

this is exactly what i'm looking for

[@MrSmitheroons]

Thanks for doing this! I think it proves that Ryzen 7000 cooling worries are overblown (pun not intended) for the most workloads and use-cases. And yet by actually carrying out the testing, you pointed out what caveats do arise. I would be happy to point anyone looking at cooling Ryzen 7000 with constrained air cooling solutions to this video! Great job testing this in real conditions. Thanks again!

[@colewelden]

I got a Louqe Raw S1 recently because of their price slashing. I got the ID Cooling IS-60 and it's been doing really well for me with a noctua fan swap for the slim 120mm.

[@GSP-76]

I actually have an IS-60...did the fan swap make a big difference?

[@colewelden]

@@GSP-76regular 120 fan swap originally gave me 3C and I got another 2 or so from the noctua swap. Use that nice soft cell foam from another electronics packaging and cut out the frame shape for a 120mm fan. Then cut out the middle and you have a nice fan gasket for the back exhaust 120mm. That dropped temps the most for me. Turned 100c under load to 92 max. (Referring to my loque case)

[@colewelden]

This is for my specific listed case of course. If yours is different I can't attest that it will drop temps 5C. In my case where is was immediately thermal throttling it was a pretty big difference. If your temps stock are 50c it likely won't be as big of a difference.

[@netify6582]

Really good video. 7700X is a beast, thanks for valuable hints. Going with 620 (better be safe than sorry).

[@The_Guilty_Otaku]

So what you're saying is... I can undervolt and use one of these in my Silverstone RVZ-02? Sweet! Gonna have to save some money for a build upgrade in 2023.

[@daygeckoarthawaii1360]

Thanks, this helps much more than all the claims that low profile heatsinks don't work for modern CPUs. I'd like to see more options for "medium" heatsinks though, like the L9-65

[@ram100677]

I’m excited to watch this video. I’ve been wanting to see this. Cheers. Thanks for the content

[@lukemanley3987]

Great video, a video on eco mode would be greatly appreciated. Keep up the great work!

[@Crftbt]

Wish this testing included the 5950x, 5900x, 5800x3d and 5800x. :)

[@PredalienatorX]

Thanks for looking into the topic. Interesting results.

[@ionamygdalon2263]

Looking forward to an extended ECO Mode benchmark 😁

[@juanin1able]

why dind´t use NH-l12 from noctua instead of nh-l9.

[@GyroCannon]

I didn't go with AMD this upgrade cycle becaues of lower core counts and higher entry cost, so I have an i5-13600k, but I knew either way that the thermals wouldn't really be an issue for either side The fact that we have BIOS's that make undervolting / power limiting so easy means that no matter what, we won't burn up our hardware. Realistically, for gaming work loads, there's just no performance impact at all.

[@DigitalJedi]

I did the same thing. I have a genuine use case for a bunch of atom cores, so I got a 13700K and undervolted it. With a very slight downclock on the P-cores of 80mhz I can do -200mv and it peaks at 170W.

[@josecontreras3823]

Do you have these tests for 5900x?

[@RogueSystem087]

Exactly what I was looking forward to... great vid

[@sks220]

I actually just picked up a 7700x and set its thermal limit to 75c with no performance drop at all.

[@andreasnielsen6037]

This video was exactly what I was looking for.

[@Lefezz]

where NH-L9X65?

[@dracolnyte]

thanks for reviewing the IS-55 was thinking about getting that one next on the 7700X

[@robertmyers6488]

Yes Tech City has some good videos using classic overclock/ undervolting. It's a good compromise between heat and performance. You guys should take a look at them. Good video. Thank you.

[@phantommaggotxxx]

For anyone that's seeing this now, you can buy a thermal grizzly backplate an mount about any am4 cooler. The backplate is the problem. Just get a thermalright AM5 cpu bracket, thermal grizzly back plate, and run whatever you want successfully.

[@lordsetarurare]

Too be fail the L9A is running into a physics limit, it's just so small that it does not have the surface area or air flow to absorb and dissipate the heat. The cooling issues are compounded by the extra thick IHS on the 7000 series. A better option would be the L9x65 or L9x65 SE-AM4. It's still low profile at 65mm but has more mass to soak up the heat with.

[@Kizzster]

When gaming at 1440p would the temperatures be lower???

[@HardwareCanucks]

Technically yes

[@maniac_magee3830]

Have a dope experiment.... try running the 7950x3d delided, with a direct die frame, liquid metal(obviously), the id cooling is55 equipped with a noctua industrial 120mm fan, and setting the temp target in the bio/uefi to 80-85c with no offset. I bet you get most of if not all of the performance of a stock 7950x3d, running reasonably cool, on a low profile cooler

[@riba2233]

Awesome breakdown Mike, and that new N-ATX sure look good haha :) Thanks!

[@johngrimm1103]

So what cooler will you recommend for the Sentry 2.0? I'm gathering money to get AMD 7 series next month and wanted to get your feedback on what would be good.

[@vensroofcat6415]

Nice visuals graphs, good topic, well done. On a sidenote - probably a lot of small form factor cases need a rework considering recent trends in power targets and GPU sizes. They were made for a different world. So a different CPU cooling along the way could be an option. Also those smallest air coolers weren't 100% great a few years ago either. So there's that.

[@hwi7114]

Disagree on the smallest coolers not being great a few years ago, you just need to know what they are designed for. In small cases with cooler height limits under 40 mm there are only a few options on the market and the NH-L9 works no problem with a 12400 or 5600X. Obviously it isn't going to cool a 5900X or 12900K and it wasn't designed to do so. Ryzen 7000 just runs exceptionally warm and doesn't really have a SKU that works well with such small coolers, at least so far.

[@vensroofcat6415]

@@hwi7114 "only a few options on the market" doesn't mean something is great. They have been very limited in what they can cool all along. To avoid further confusion my current PC runs with NH-U12A. I do like air cooling and consider Noctua NH-L9 and the two others quality products. But none of them is great at cooling. Rather "limited". My main point - many sff cases are designed for those tiny things or aio. In the way stuff is arranged within. Which may need to change. Or not. Because in my world 50mm air cooler clearance sounds ~nonexistent. More so with 250W CPUs. And yes, I do know underV exists.

[@megapet777]

Very well done review. I had never heard of big shuriken 3, yet it seems to be the best ITX air cooler.

[@rosberglks7682]

I know what's happening between Big shuriken 3 and IS-55. Big shuriken 3 has 70mm in height and IS-55 only 55mm, in a case with 79mm clearance, so it will pull more fresh air. You should try a fan duct to see if the gap between the two closes or use P-ATX with IS-55 to see if it performs better.

[@fretboardrunner]

I saw massive improvements with self-made fan ducts in my Node 202! Like, 10K temp difference at same fan speed for the CPU.

[@rosberglks7682]

@@fretboardrunner I know, right! I have the Node 202 myself.

[@v4714v]

@@fretboardrunner Before the duct, your computer ran at 10,000 degrees Celsius? Damn how's that all-core workload? Lmao

[@No_Smoking]

I'm assuming scythe big shuriken 3 rev.b works on AM5? however their website doesn't have it listed? I'm a little confused.

[@ET_Explorer]

Its not compatible!

[@No_Smoking]

@@ET_Explorer it is. I bought it anyway and it fit just fine.

[@airbornesnow4541]

amazing graphics and info. thanks for the video!

[@arrowsmind6605]

i am thinking of lapping or delidding a 7900 and using this cooler Thermalright AXP90-X53 in a mini itx build would you say it might be worth it?

[@Cai]

Have you tried IS-60 EVO? 64mm with dual fans.

[@mee3299]

Googleの翻訳機能の精度が上がったから英語の動画もかなり参考にしやすくなった。検証お疲れ様です！ありがとう

[@mickaelsflow6774]

Very interesting content. ECO mode is a no-brainer for an air cooled ITX build. BTW is the C14S not a go-to ITX Cooler anymore?

[@toofhuny8898]

How do you reckon these CPUs might fare in an itx build cooled by the Noctua NH-D15S ? How much hotter do they run than say a i7-8700K overclocked at 5GHz all core @ 1.35V ?

[@AtomLabX]

I see more of this guy, I become more happy!!

[@garystinten9339]

This looks like the ideal cooler for my school desk build.

[@ailluinthethyra6139]

Is the IS-55 + Gentle Typhoon combo better than Big Shuriken 3? IS-55 will only be 65mm tall, they are roughly the same price here in Asia (IS-55 & XPG Vento Pro are cheaper compared to US pricing).

[@JackOfHearts42]

I love how you use Cities: Skylines. I play that a lot, along with Anno 1800, and the CPU get hammered.

[@robskineterable]

Eco mode kind of chokes the CPU. You should absolutely consider a negative PBO offset with a manual power limit of 70-90 watts. PBO will optimise the v-f curve and give better performance, while the power limit will bring it back down to reasonable temperatures. Best of both worlds.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Yeah. That was just beyond the scope of this video though.

[@rafaelbachmann6721]

Hey do you think the thermalright axp90 R is enough cooling for the 7600 (non x) ?

[@roderickos]

Can Endorfy Fortis Argb manage 7700x or only 7700? I wanted to buy Fortis but wasn´t sure

[@IronGuardLegionnaire]

Wanted to move my 7700x to a feactal ridge. Not so sure anymore ... is55 with a 25 mm noctua fan or a big shuriken..what do you guys think 🤔

[@mathewkinetix9180]

If I’d have seen this a few days ago I may have considered the big shuriken, but this video makes me confident in gettin an aio to pair with my 7900x

[@sunewjenkuzo2835]

With the low profile cooler my Ryzen 7 7700 hit temps above 90°C while gaming so I will have to get another am5 cooler that is better than the stock cooler but great video!

[@devilmikey00]

You can also go lower than -10. Ryzen master has a tester in it that will give you the value your chip can handle. It's not always perfect but it's a good starting point. Personally, just turn it all the way down to -30 and see if your computer crashes at idle (not under load), some chips can handle it just fine. If it does crash then dial it back little by little until you hit that sweet spot. For instance my 5700x can do a -21 all core offset so it runs cooler and the clock speeds hit 4850mhz which is 150 mhz higher than stock.

[@PHOBIAx57x]

You should definitely throw the Wraith Stealth in here for fun to see how low voltages need to be to run with that. I still run a Wraith Stealth on my R5 3600 undervolted to 1.15v at 3.9ghz and would love to see how low I’d have to get a 7600/x at to stay cool under it.

[@chubbykun]

I know it is a year later, but i'm running a ryzen 5 7500F uldervolted + overclocked with the wraith prism with strong fan curve Curve optimizer : -30 Boost clock : +150mhz I managed to get the same score as the ryzen 5 7600X and temps maxed out around 82-83C, 24C ambient so i won't think the wraith stealth can't keep it down with the r5 7600/x

[@ESSA20]

What would recommend for the the r7 7800x3d in the n200p case with g.skill flare x5 low profile sticks?

[@chaoweisucks]

How do you think the AXP100 Full Copper would perform against the Ryzen 7000?

[@harryshuman9637]

Do a review on AXP-100, AXP-120, AXP-200 coolers, and compare them with the mainstays of low profile coolers, with different fan sizes too. Please.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Most of the AXP series are now discontinued actually. What's in the channel is it.

[@harryshuman9637]

@@HardwareCanucks Actually AXP is still made and sold, just not in NA. I bought one last week. I know it will cost extra with delivery, but I feel like they offer something others don't.

[@amadei2]

@@harryshuman9637 why would they review something that is not sold in NA ? And why ask them to review it if you have one ? Need to confirm you made a good choice ? 😂

[@harryshuman9637]

@@amadei2 Because there is such thing as online shops who deliver worldwide? People who want the best order from anywhere. Only normies go to K-Mart to get the NH-L12S. Boring.

[@christopherellis6167]

My only question what about the "MJOLNIR" case 5800x3D and rx7800XT? 4kres

[@cryptosol160]

I really enjoy this kind of videos about LP coolers) Please consider testing new ones, such as beQuiet Pure Rock LP and ID Cooling IS-47-XT. For now, there is almost no information on these.

[@jacksondanner358]

I feel like picking a 7900 over a 7700x is a better idea for small form factor considering it has a 65w tdp vs the 7700x that’s has the 105w tdp. So in theory you would have zero issues ever with a IS-55 on a 7900 like you had in the small form factor case with the 7700x

[@chinnaramgariakash0029]

Suggestion Noctua nh d15 support cabinet? Any size requirements?

[@madd5]

Your videos are so unique. Really great reviews.

[@emp1985]

Was greatly surprised. Got a relatively good bin of a 7700X, running problem-free at -25 CO, using a Thermalright AXP100-X67 heatsink in an ITX system. Frequencies, even full miltu0core load, remains above 5GHz.

[@Odogaus]

I've been wracking my brain trying to cool a 7700X with a L9A, I kept thinking I applied the thermal paste wrong, or the cooler wasn't tight enough, but it just runs HOT! I usually get 65C-70C temps just doing basic tasks. I will try the negative curve optimizer to see how that changes things!

[@tegkgiof]

Great video, as always.

[@chromerims]

7600X, 7700X = 1 CCD 7900X, 7950X = 2 CCD 65W eco mode is germane for a gaming use case Great video 👍

[@Deathscythe91]

i have found a 5800x3d on sale for 300 and im running a 5600x right now and i can sell my 5600x for like 125 , is it worth to upgrade to it ?

[@saminavy7124]

Yeah for gaming it's king. Look up hardware unboxed review and make your decision based off that

[@crisisady]

Would love to see Noctua L9x65 compete in this and your future videos :)

[@gamerforever4837]

Why didn't you test the thermalright SI-100 cooler, it outperforms the noctua

[@igavinwood]

Nicely done and very useful. I'm glad to see SFF low profile air cooling is still viable with the new AMD CPUs. I'm wondering how much difference the overall cooling of a pc build will make, say when paired with a new gen GPU in the box? Though it wont be on CPU temps as this gen maxs the temp to give the most performance.

[@clfeuillet]

I do have a L9a with a 5950X (velkase velka 3) my experience: curve optimiser will NOT WORK or be very unstable, might not complete. what I did is undervolt to -0.125 and reduced frequency to 3.7ghz to get a very stable product. (around 86 degres C) -0.1 & 3.9 ghz works you get better performances but might get around 92 degres C during long loads.

[@larsvontrierpung9337]

Noctua L9a is only up to, TDP: 95W? Ryzen 5 7600x is 105W

[@carlospuig15]

Question about ZEN 4, because with my 5600X I can use the CO at -30 for all cores and run perfect. This is not posible with ZEN 4?

[@marshall739]

For some of them, yes, it's possible, but that's *not* guaranteed when you buy the CPU. You have to buy it to find out. That's why it's called the "silicon lottery." You were lucky when you got your 5600X. If you got another 5600X or other Zen 3 CPU, it might or might not run stable with a CO offset of -30. If you get a Zen 4 CPU, the same thing applies. If you're lucky, it'll run stable at -30. If you're *really* unlucky, it might not even run stable at -10. You won't know until you buy the processor and try undervolting it.

[@rickyism1576]

Does the 7800x3d run hotter than the 7700x? I Have a Liquid freezer 240 cooler already but not sure it's going to fit the case (T1) and air cooling options seem to be very limited.

[@avery4528]

It runs cooler at about 88 watts, so just below the 95watt benchmark

[@rickyism1576]

@@avery4528 Im just gonna fulll send it with a AXP90-x47.

[@SwiftArrowMCSGPvP]

@@rickyism1576let me know how you go, I’m about to build in the t1 and was thinking of getting an AX90-x53 full copper

[@rickyism1576]

@@SwiftArrowMCSGPvP Full sized radiator wont fit (possibly with slim fans doubt it though). I'm actually using the AX90-x47 right now and not very comfortable with it. Had to limit power just to get idle temps below 50c. Probably gonna get the SilverStone low profile AIO that I've seen people use on this case.

[@SwiftArrowMCSGPvP]

@@rickyism1576 I’ve seen a fee builds using the coolermaster atmos 240 aio as its a little slimmer and that fits so that could be an option for you? Also are u struggling to keep in under 50 with the 7700x or 7800x3d?

[@kubuntukowalski]

I dont have SFF but I just wanted a smaller air cooler cause the towers are so big blocking everything lol Thermalright axp90-x53 copper edition looks awesome and works great with my 7600x and modern mid tower case

[@bignicnrg3856]

Love the content as always. Best channel evaaa!!!!

[@rmorenberg]

great info thanks

[@tsellsseashells]

Scythe Sales email says the BS3 rev b is discontinued unfortunately.

[@jbrown-acuity]

Great work!

[@eugene188]

Sweet! Thanks for your tests. Seems like the AK400 or Assassin King120 should be perfectly fine or even better than these small low profile cooler then.

[@MuhammadFikri-eq8kh]

Hai, great explanation. nice work. just want to know that for intel 13th gen, are u planning to do same video? im glad if yes. Hehehe...

[@luganjahkinghe7602]

Ram are at jedec right? Temp seems low

[@muskwasis1705]

I'm using the Sliger Console with the Thermalright AXP90-X53, NF-A12x25 PWM chromax.black.swap, and 7700X with a -30 offset. Runs like a dream. Unfortunately the ID Cooling IS-55 doesnt fit because the edge collides with the bottom case lip.

[@ernestkarapetyan1599]

AMD Ryzen 7950X3D the best low-profile coolers?

[@grtitann7425]

Interesting. Can you do the same test but with an Artic Freezer 120 AIO II? And yes, can you use an AMD GPU? There are people like me that will never buy a Nvidia GPU, so we will like to see that.

[@VVVV88-x3u]

I’ve seen you guys cover ITX coolers but are you ever gonna cover the Thermalright AXP 120 revisions? Would love to see you guys compare the copper one you guys regularly use, the new graphite covered one vs the other itx coolers you guys use.

[@Oceanborn712]

I'm currently running a 7700X on a PBO offset of -30. The plan was to put it into that NZXT N1 that I still have sitting around once the 3D V-Cache CPUs release but I honestly never even thought about the ITX thermals in that plan... Think that puny 140mm AIO will be able to handle it? I can't test it since I don't have the mainboard for it yet.

[@robskineterable]

Yeah it will be fine, especially at -30. BUT you should absolutely consider putting a power limit on it as well. PBO -30 with a PL of 80w will give you the same performance as stock, but with MUCH lower temperatures and power draw. Watch Optimum Tech's video on PBO. Maybe even go 70w. The silicon is great but AMD fucked up the stock v-f curve.

[@MonsterSound.Bradley]

Good info, THX

[@swlak516]

Thanks for the video. I ended up getting a Ryzen 7900 non-x but it still gets very hot during handbrake 4K Encoding

[@Gobolinn]

would love a video on intel's cpus vs low profile coolers

[@Witcherworks]

This was a great eye opener as I only have low profile coolers like the Shuriken and so far is does extremely well with a 5900x as long as there is some active air pulling the heat out the case. Man when will they release the N-ATX again?

[@bluetech2809]

Good video but not sure why you didn't include Big Shuriken data for the eco mode testing since it seemed to perform the best in every other segment.