Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review: Gaming & Productivity

AMD's Ryzen 9 7950X3D promises to be the best of both worlds - offering superior gaming performance compared to the 7950X at the sacrifice of some content creation performance. Can it achieve such lofty goals? In this video Gordon goes over a huge list of gaming benchmarks and compares the 7950X3D's results to AMD's Ryzen 9 7950X as well as Intel's Core i9-13900K and 13900KS. He also touches on the productivity performance offered by each chip for the times where you aren't gaming.
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00:00 - Intro
00:39 - How We Tested
03:47 - Ashes of the Singularity Results
05:30 - Assassin's Creed Valhalla Results
07:15 - CS:GO Results
09:59 - Cyberpunk 2077 Results
10:40 - Dirt 5 Results
11:51 - Far Cry 6 Results
12:39 - Gears Tactics Results
13:29 - Horizon Zero Dawn Results
14:16 - Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy Results
15:02 - Metro Exodus Results
15:24 - Returnal Results
16:38 - Shadow of the Tomb Raider Results
17:41 - Strange Brigade Results
19:07 - Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege Results
19:58 - Watchdogs Legion Results
21:08 - World War Z Results
24:16 - Google Chrome Results
25:07 - Microsoft Office 365 Results
25:56 - Geekbench 5 Results
27:10 - CrossMark Results
29:19 - Conclusion

[@warren_r]

I like the relaxed and conversational nature of this video. For my preferences, it's more engaging and watchable than other coverage. Nice stuff, guys.

[@ashleyjaytanna1953]

I like the off centre pliers to the left of Gordon's right ear. Subscribed.

[@earthtaurus5515]

Thank you for the time reviewing these CPUs and updating the numbers with W11 22H2 Gordon. Perfect timing too as I finally upgraded to W11 yesterday 22H2 since I couldn't defer the update any longer and decided to just get it over with. I have to say, the 7950X is alot more stable on W11 as I was able to push the negative curve optimiser more aggressively. The lowest core voltage I've seen is 0.410 v. That's insane, considering the cores are still boosting beyond 5.5 Ghz (5540 Ghz to be exact, all core boost to 5 Ghz under all core load) - had to set all my cores to 5555 Mhz with per core boost settings (with temp limited to 80 degrees c) as not all cores boost to 5.7 Ghz as they used to out of the box due to way too much voltage shoved into the CPU on stock settings. Now only two cores boost to 5.7 Ghz, the degradation happened due to prolonged testing under stock settings as I was trying to reduce and isolate bsods and it turns out it was buggy KB updates as well as a ram timing issue on stock ram settings. I now have the ram undervolted and running at 6000 Mhz with very, very aggressive timings - Zen 4 is a very different architecture and doesn't behave the way you think it will lol. W11 has confirmed my suspicions and instincts that Microsoft is not really focusing on W10 updates at all. Anyway, off to watch the 1st video now lol.

[@itsdeonlol]

Thanks for testing Gordon! ❤

[@jd31068]

Thanks for the landslide of benchmarks. That was a ton of work.

[@4k28kgamerz8]

Awesome review and thanks so much for your hard work.

[@toddincabo]

👍 Nice job all around, testing and presentation, thanks. MVP Man

[@meldepinda]

I was wondering for games that focus more on multi threading (for example Star Citizen), would it still be good to park the cores or actually just keep them enabled?

[@RetroTinkerer]

I wonder how much of that performance lead when the cache get hit hard and the advantage is really noticeable we will see on the 6+6 part. Thanks for all the testing.

[@GreasyFox]

It would be nice to see a comparison between Ryzen 9 7950x, 7900x, 7800x 7950X3D, 7900X3D, and 7800X3D, in terms of performance per dollar, energy usage per watt, for content creation.

[@TheJacklikesvideos]

"energy usage per watt"

[@ChessBoxin]

How does the 7950x3D deal with single PC stream setups? Just curious because people talk about frames and thermals but what about during streams? Any help appreciated.

[@gurugamer8632]

For adobe premiere , DaVinci resolve , adobe after effects which is the best processor for performance Ryzen 9 7950X3D or Ryzen 9 7950X?

[@Theworthsearcher]

What about 1% minimums at Ashes of the Singularity and all the other games? Is it possible, that the 1% is even though higher, that the avg FPS is lower? We've seen something like that earlier with 5800X 3D.

[@elgordo543]

Great review, thank you

[@willemkooiman4118]

Hi PC World. At around 9 min. you talking about the fact that the game myabe not use the cache part. Check the Bios and see what the prefered CCX is the cache. When a game is not detected is still will run on the cache CCX.

[@karanojha1836]

Thank You so much Gordon 👍🏼😊

[@dianaalyssa8726]

Has to be an amazing chip for WoW, FF14, and streaming, based off 5800X3D. Am excited Ashes is on the list, though I don't play it's highly CPU bound, so great at testing in that regard.

[@-INFERNUS-]

Yeah, I have a 5800X3D and play guild wars 2, v cache helps so much in mmos very high fps.

[@davidgunther8428]

What's up with the 13900KS being slower than the 13900K so often?

[@Safetytrousers]

How many people will be forking out for a 7950x3d to game at 1080p? I play at 4k.

[@Official_ADub]

Then just get a 7800X 3D and save $250

[@Targetlockon]

Gaming and productivity at the same time 👍 would like to see how that affects streaming while gaming, etc..

[@SKHYJINX]

That's what I thought this videos title meant.... both at same time which is the hot topic this week.

[@NINJA_INVESTORS]

Why would you do both at the same time??

[@Keivz]

Wish there were more RT testing. Odd how often the KS loses to the K.

[@deviousrome8687]

So for streaming and gaming at the same time it would be beneficial or will it cause a conflict between prioritizing the frequency and cache

[@nathanlowery1141]

Yes…. It depends on your streaming software. If it is like most, the cache wouldn’t be helpful for the streaming software. Lassoing programs to cores may be useful for this. But I don’t think anyone has actually tested for this yet

[@flimermithrandir]

It should be perfect for Streaming and Gaming on the same CPU at the same Time. But it would needed to be Tested to tell he actual Numbers.

[@666Necropsy]

how is this chip going to handle streaming a game?

[@MrHowardc43]

I prefer Gamer Nexus fps charts and Your analysis of the cpu. Both of u are great.

[@JMNovak1011]

I completely understand the testing methodology and why it's done this way. But in all aspects it really doesn't make any sense. I'm spending $700 on a CPU I'm not going to be running it on a half-assed GPU at 1080. And if I'm running a 4090 its at min 4k. Great job with the review. Always enjoy your work.

[@NeoDon1]

It should say higher or lower is better on your charts?

[@IGUN2636]

Good review. This chips only need half the power compared to KS.

[@gurugamer8632]

When will 7950 be replaced by new next generation and will that use 3nm technology?

[@robertlawrence9000]

No UE5 tests?

[@sacamentobob]

Talking about Returnal, it's a good game - so far it's the only game that Ive played in a long while that really feels alien. Just a personal feeling of course, not sure if it's shared by others...

[@FloridaVibesOfficial]

Which 7000 X3D chip do you think would be best for Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020?

[@FloridaVibesOfficial]

@PCWorld Thanks, I saw that. I just wanted your opinion if the 7950X3D would outperform the 7800X3D is this CPU intensive game. It's sad that a game like this is rarely benchmarked, considering millions play worldwide

[@NINJA_INVESTORS]

​@@FloridaVibesOfficialNobody play it

[@TobyIKanoby]

nice colors man

[@cosminmilitaru9920]

So, no power consumption comparison?

[@rozzbourn3653]

i wonder why the KS was running slower than the k part on some games?

[@stebo5562]

Throttling

[@hadleys.4869]

Perhaps inadequate cooling, or they handicapped the PL1 PL2 turbo wattage. I think more 7950x3D reviews need to test the 13900k/ks with 7200 Mhz DDR5 ram.

[@stebo5562]

@@hadleys.4869 If they test with 7200 ram, couldn’t they use the same ram on Ryzen but down lock it and tighten timings instead? HUB has already shown that tightening timings can have a big performance boost on zen 4

[@brightbluesmurf]

I'd like to see more current generation games being used in these benchmarks such as Dead Space Remake, Hogwarts Legacy and A Plague Tail, etc. That's going to help me choose a GPU and CPU combination and compare against a PS5.

[@sblantipodi]

cograts guys!

[@mosamaster]

All I could afford in the end of 2022 was an upgrade from Ryzen 1600 to a Ryzen 5700X for ~250USD. May be by the end of 2025, I would buy a 8800X3D based system with the money I could save. 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼

[@-INFERNUS-]

Maybe future AMD CPUs will have 3D vcache on both CCDs. I don't like this with half has it the other doesn't I know why it's done this way but, I don't trust the way windows will handle which CCD gets to use the vcache and which one doesn't. I'm very happy with my 5800X3D and very curious to see the 7800X3D in April 😁 I'm not upgrading at all, no need to.

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

The problem is you then give up clock speed and performance where the cache does not help.

[@-INFERNUS-]

@@FakeGordonMahUng Yeah, that I see, maybe with future 3D vcache CPU's both CCD's will have the cache and higher clocks, if possible.

[@Targetlockon]

7950X3D giving us a preview of what the 7800X3D and the 7900X3D would give 👌

[@Targetlockon]

Nice to have 7900X3D, but price is expensive

[@Targetlockon]

can't wait to see the difference between 5800X3D vs 7800X3D vs 7900X3D

[@2528drevas]

That was done on some other channels. The 5800X3D competes surprisingly well.

[@Tainted-Soul]

Thanks Gordon for you hard work ..... BUT...... LOL Ive ordered my 7950x3D today £749 from Overclockers UK the only place I found it for sale !!!! at 10am UK time BST

[@Archmage90]

i guess this cache can give me huge gains on unoptimised indie early access games. i should buy it:)

[@xtulliox]

Can we get a tarkov benchmark immediately

[@dogu_vn7851]

so to sum up we can say that the 7950x3d is an allrounder that can do it all at a low power usage

[@ivandimitrov7994]

It's crazy how every reviewer has gotten different results. Look at far cry 6. gamers nexus has the vcache ahead like 2%, pcworld has the 900k as 5% ahead, techtesters have the x3d like 20% ahead. Then shadow of the tomb raider, both gamers nexus and pcworld showcase a massive lead for the x3d part, then hardware unbox have the two brands neck and neck...

[@skaikey]

Thanks Gor-don!

[@iang3902]

Wish intel would make a 10core high cache cpu with no ecores. That I would buy.

[@TheHiddenTrueSecrets]

We want vr benchmark

[@lickrish3930]

Nice shirt Gordon it's good to see you switch to window 11 it's not that bad

[@lickrish3930]

@@pcworld how can Windows 11 win over Gordon it's a tough nut to crack

[@Sorry-Buddy]

Thanks Gordon, for giving me the confidence and trust in my opinion as well that this is a good investment!

[@JesseMaurais]

Here's a software developers take: The games that are getting the most advantage out of the extra cache were not optimized to avoid cache hits in the first place.

[@wmnsriteslol]

Intel fan boy detected. Copium dispensed. Proceed citizen.

[@SuperiorLoony]

Im rocking a dusty 8700k, and ofcouse my favourite games are unoptimized , pushed put the door to early, early access, been in beta since 2007, and now even aaa titles taking a page out of their book so step aside plebs, im getting myself some v-cache pillow so i have something to bite while these crunch rushed, mismanaged devs rams me with their c**** of unity until i get an unreal stutter. All these broken dreams and promises has made my heart as cold as frostbite, you know? sometimes i wish i get a memory leak... anywho - the video is now over and so is my rant, oh yuppie! My shader cache has finally loaded!

[@nathanlowery1141]

@@SuperiorLoony you made my night with this! 😂 I’m dead 😂

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

Sure but as a developer I'm sure you can agree no one on the business side ever gives your time for tuning too right? And since that formula never changes, sometimes the hardware is going to have to compensate...

[@sudo3644]

Avoid cache hits? Isn't a cache hit a good thing?

[@EvilEng9]

Battlefield 2042 needs to be benchmarked. I'm sure the FrostByte Engine would produce interesting results. Just non-X3D vs X3D, Intel results not needed.

[@Gielderst]

Should i keep my 7950X or replace it with the 7950X3D?

[@ertai222]

Just keep what you have. It's plenty.

[@lelouchabrilvelda1794]

Sell it and buy the 7950x3d The power consumption and the cooling on x3d its soo good.

[@vertigoz]

Those game who do favor 7950x speed, couldn't the 3d choose the faster chiplet instead of that with the cache?

[@vertigoz]

@@pcworld I see, but can as user try both and see which is faster, this way one would have in the worst situation a 7950x like CPU performance, and not below.

[@Dnaliaht]

Love Gordon !!!!!!

[@sacamentobob]

I bet the 7800x3d will become a go-to favourite for gamers. Those 8 cores with full speed cache on die (in layman's terms) is gonna be sweet. Too bad I dont have AM5.

[@princekittipon6510]

buy am5 then

[@jointherevolution5577]

Should have tested the 5800x3d for comparison.

[@socalboergoats1931]

Why is it that no one uses warzone 2 in the benchmarks. Ive watched all the videos from the most popular tech influencers and not one uses that game? Am i missing something?

[@rdmz135]

No reliable way to test since it's multiplayer

[@JoeWayne84]

It’s a garbage cash grab game??? Who cares

[@ertai222]

Is the 7900X3D any good?

[@deuswulf6193]

It will probably have the same if not close gaming performance, and will be worse off than a regular 7900 for the other stuff.

[@unpacker9521]

7800x3d will cost 36-40% more cost around $150 more compared to 7700x. In that perspective it is harder sell.

[@onomatopoeia162003]

I would rather just get the 7950x. And put that $100 for more DDR5 ram.

[@celdur4635]

@@onomatopoeia162003 This generation can't use more than ddr5 6000 for AMD.

[@stebo5562]

New efficiency king

[@AxleLotl]

I'm a huge fan of the X3D tech, AMD have really come across something awesome with that. But in the defense of Intel, the 13th gen really does have some solid performance, yes it gets beaten a bit, but ultimately there's no game that's unplayable with it, even the 13600K has very admirable consistency.

[@MrGatz]

At the cost of heat and power. AM5 will run a lot cooler, and therefore you don't need a crazy cooler.

[@An_Enraged_Pig]

What a beast of a cpu

[@erdemsimsek6226]

It would be wrong to expect much difference in normal scenario games. The difference will be very nps or artificial intelligence-intensive games or mmo-like games because there will be a significant difference in processor hungry and data-intensive games! watch dogs legion and world war z are a good example!

[@tandlose]

Why is the 13900ks often slower than 13900k

[@saricubra2867]

That doesn't make any sense.

[@Safetytrousers]

@@saricubra2867 Throttling due to temperature.

[@onomatopoeia162003]

personally, I would save the $100 for more ram. :)

[@sblantipodi]

but the real question is, is 7950X3D worth the money over 13900K?

[@jasonhowe1697]

my opinion pending on how it is this deployed 3 plausible functions left as is no gpu installed working up to a 32 core split combo with onboard graphics 2 as a server/work station with the capacity in dual cpu systems with program logic layer using 1 cpu as a 64 core cpu and the other as a 64 core gpu 3rd option program it as 64 core gpu and may be use up to 4-8 2-8TB m.2's as a ram caching system, because we have been at the limits of what GDDR ram can provide going up in speed tiers though not really dialing in the capacity of ram where's the failover point when the capacity of ram becomes the physical bottle ask yourself how long we have had 8, 12, 16 and 24GB ram each new class of gpu the ram has gotten faster though what and how much audio video processing it can pushing both 8k, 4k, dolby vision and atmos and any audio and video standard for the last 30+ years and stuff in the future for the 15-25 years

[@oscarbecker7843]

If you are a productivity user and you care about efficiency, you definitely should take the 7000X3D!!! You get almost the same performance for nearly half the power usage!

[@JayzBeerz]

People should wait for the 7800X3D review before buying the 7900X3D or 7950X3D. Plus if you're on AM4 still the 5800X3D is great for gaming and or get the 5900X for both gaming and content creation/productivity.

[@GameCookerUSRocks]

I know that I'm going to be unpopular here but it would have been nice for you to show some 1440p and 4k results. And a lot of games that you highlighted I don't think a lot of people are playing them much anymore. Obviously I understand that games with benchmarks are good to use and that's fine. For gaming 1440p and 4k are important. At the higher resolutions it will show bottlenecks with the GPU. That's actually more important to me then how a processor performs at 720p or 1080p. Even though there's a lot of 1080p users out there I think the majority of consumers who buy upgrades a lot are moved on to 1440p at least. And the majority of 1080p users likely aren't going to afford a 4090 and a high end 3d cache chip. Personally, I wouldn't even consider buying the high-end chips. On AMD side and Intel side buying the lower end chips and overclocking them would probably be a more sensible thing to do. I'm looking forward to seeing the 7800x 3D performance. Hopefully that will give him more clear indication of where these chips stand. I did slap a like on the video. I always appreciate the work you guys do.

[@saricubra2867]

At 32:40. You can buy an Intel Core i7-12700K with almost 30% higher single core perfomance and 53% multicore on Amazon for 250 dollars right now while the 5800X3D is way slower and is 330 dollars on amazon at the same price of the 5900X (that losses against the i7-12700K). i7-12700K also destroys the 5800X3D in Escape from Tarkov, like 25% higher fps and way higher 1% lows. Same for Battlefield 2042, higher fps in Cyberpunk...

[@mikeramos91]

The new X3D chips aren’t as impressive as we thought they would be. They win some, lose some & tie some. And the 13900k will be over $100 cheaper than the 7950x3D. AMD might have a slight edge in gaming, but nothing to brag about 🤷🏻‍♂

[@abaj006]

Also uses a 3rd of power compared to Intel's.

[@UTFapollomarine7409]

Jesus bless you guys man i love the scores you provide

[@alby13]

All hail gaming

[@xellaz]

Good review but I hope more reviewers put not only 1080p but also 1440p and 4K on their charts. I know It becomes GPU bound at 1440p and 4K but most of us PC enthusiasts play games now at these resolutions and would like to see the difference at these resolutions. Most of those that would buy a Ryzen 7950X3D most likely have an RTX 4080/4090 and a 1440p/4K monitor. Only the extreme competitive gamers would play at 1080p at high refresh rates using these top-end CPUs... which kind of a waste of all that CPU power.

[@toddsimone7182]

Obviously they do that to try to make the CPU the bottleneck to make differences more visible but realistically the differences at higher resolutions that most people actually use will generally be undetectable in the real world. So yea, any recent gen CPU will be pretty comparable in real world use.

[@Keivz]

I think the idea is that the cpu doesn’t care what your resolution is. The numbers you see are the minimum that the cpu will give you. Anything less at higher resolutions is the fault of the gpu. In theory anyway.

[@farmertrueVR]

@@pcworld One thing this video doesn't talk about that a lot of reviews don't get into are CPU frame times. As a VR user I understand that I am in a very niche market, so instead of VR game benchmarks, we rely more on the 4K benchmarks and especially 4K CPU frame time benchmarks.

[@atavax3420]

idk. like in gaming and productivity either it prefers intel or it prefers amd, and if it prefers Intel, there is no compromise, 13900k is the best for all gaming and productivity and is over $100 cheaper. 7950x3d isn't the best at everything that prefers amd, some things prefer the 7950x. It's really hard to justify imo.

[@donglee6599]

Definitely go for Intel , they only benchmark 1080p not 1440p or 4k . Games like cyber punk on 4k still beat the 7950x 3d

[@slimjimjimslim5923]

Thanks Gordon. 😂

[@pauloalmeida3728]

Thank you Gordon but... 🦄 ! 😅

[@overduetax]

Really hard to justify the X3D given the overall picture. Either go with 13900K or 7950X unless you're literally an esports player and have the top 0.1% vision and reaction on the planet.

[@overduetax]

also gordon is an actual legend. i've been reading him since the 90's! god bless you, gordon. keep telling it like it is, brother.

[@marcopazzi117]

What a waist of paper... for those printed sheets.

[@johndoh5182]

Yeah it was important to test against the 13900KS, for the tens of people who have bought one. I would have rather seen it up against the 5800X3D, it's more relevant. The 13900KS is so far out of the realm of reasonable it's laughable.

[@jjlw2378]

Both the 7950x3d and the 13900KS are absurd products but many enthusiasts enjoy them. I like that products like these exist and it's about time AMD launched something cool instead of always being boring and safe.

[@fatavocado7291]

I want a 16 core CPU. 4 cores from Intel 13900KS, 4 E cores, 4 cores from 7950X and 4 cores from 7950 X3d ^^

[@toddsimone7182]

Easy. Build each system and make a virtual machine to your liking.

[@flimermithrandir]

I am just a little bit disappointed that no one tested the 7950X3D and turned down the X3D CCD as well. There is the 7950X Test sure… but still. The 7950X3D should never be worse than the 7950X3D. Never. And this needs to be testet and ppl need to know this. I know… Windows didnt use the better suited Cores and AMD didnt make sure that the 7950X3D makes the correct assumption so why test something that isnt there… But thats the Thing. It is there. And ppl should get the Info that the 7950X3D has the same capability’s vs the 7950X when it comes to Games. If the 7950X Wins vs the X3D… that is just BS. I know its a Ton of extra Work. I know its kinda unfair. But Reviewers need to do this extra Work. Ppl have also pointed out how bad the 12000 Series Intel CPUs didnt work always perfect at the Start of the Release. Fair. Wasnt many Games but some. And a few Games there was also an Bug where Lenovo or some Programm killed of the Cores and you just couldnt play the Game at all. Was even less Games but still. It was fair to say… look… its not perfect but in Generell it gets that Performance when it works. AMD makes the X3D Chip and you see the 7950X is bit better here and there and everyone assumes its something thats not fixable for the 7950X3D? Why? Thats so strange. You can just force the 7950X Part on the 7950X3D. Problem solved. Maybe i am not understanding it really. But i find it kinda unfair this Time. Not meaning this Channel here alone. This is an overall Critic towards every Reviewer and i think its fair to say… i am not an Fan of the Test. Doesnt mean i hate you Guys now. Or any Reviewer.

[@juGGaKNotEmpire]

7950X3D 7 characters 13900K 6 characters need I say more ?

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

This is indeed why these chips are better.

[@saricubra2867]

13900KS has 7 characters.

[@marksaxon]

Great video! I have to say the 3D cache isn't as impressive this gen against Intel. Sure it helps but it's not the strong win like the 5800x3D was. I still think Intel won this gen but I love the competition. It will be interesting to see where things are when I upgrade in a couple of years.

[@alandab]

That's because 4th gen Ryzen is much better than 3rd gen Ryzen. It's harder to get gains when the core chips are already so much better.

[@lalicdalibor1367]

7950 X3D is very good but i play in 4K with an 4090 so thankfully i get my 13900 ks and their you can see that he is just superior in terms of specs for playing in 4K

[@M00_be-r]

Lol

[@RannonSi]

To risk being viewed as nitpicky. Gears tactics is a tactics game, not a strategy game.

[@RannonSi]

@@pcworld neither have I, to be honest xD, but the name clued me in, and then I checked its Steam page before posting ^^.

[@RannonSi]

@@pcworld to be fair, I didn't do all the work of benchmarking on a ton of games either though. Thanks for the hard work!

[@sacamentobob]

if you live in the UK, 100dollars now is nothing. 20 pounds is now like 4pounds at least what it feels like given the massive inflation. So 100dollars is like 20 dollars or so in today's environment, at least in the UK.

[@ragingmonk6080]

"It's just a hundred dollars". It was a hundred dollars last time. It was a hundred the time before. We have gotten to the point that these CPU's cost as much as a server CPU did a few years ago. Is this this CPU worth the money? Nope. On a smaller node and cheaper to produce than the older server CPU's. Funny how people hammer Nvidia for price to performance and expected generational gains, etc... But when it come to CPU's there seems to be a blank check. Vega launched: "Its a server GPU marketed as gaming". Same with Nvidia with the 4090. But they were called out. Not with CPU's.

[@TheHiddenTrueSecrets]

who plays at 1080p with a high end cpu and a 4090 graphics card?

[@Teletha]

7950x3d win10 vs win11

[@HasimFN]

Why yall dont test fortnite

[@r2stik]

ESL INTEL

[@billpii6314]

They're all neck and neck so just decide how much you want to spend on a cooler.

[@sacamentobob]

These intel power hogging chips are a joke. Glad my gaming machine still has the 8700k (game at 4-5k so not too much of an issue there for me) whilst work machine uses 5950x. The KS really makes Intel look stupid. I dont know what they were thinking....

[@johndoh5182]

A twitch game like R6S. YEAH I'm really going to see the difference between 600 and 850 fps!!!! NOT!!!!!!!!!!! Now, if 1% lows were down there at 120 fps I could believe it but that data isn't shown. 1% low data is important. Without me seeing that, almost ALL these numbers don't mean anything because they are all ridiculously fast. Humans can only process data so fast and it ain't much better than 120 fps, for 1% lows. If you're above that you're lying to yourself that it matters because human reaction to visuals isn't any better than that. And this is tested by science. How fast the optic nerve can send your brain data. Your BRAIN drops frames. So 2 things. 1% low data matters, so these gaming charts are worthless to me. The other is, just like reviewers have had to do over time, testing games at 480p, 640p, 720p, 1080p, and then more recently testers have started to throw in 2K and 4K into CPU testing, as GPUs get ever more powerful, those older resolutions become outdated. If testers are going to use the 4090 and show results that the brain can't process, it's time to move up, especially when 2K gaming is more relevant now. The 4090 makes 1080p testing almost silly now, and when the 5090 comes out it will be even more silly for testing CPUs at 1080p. And if a game makes a 4090 struggle at 1080p it's so POORLY written that it's not worth giving those game creators any credibility by using that game in a CPU benchmark.

[@Alfactors]

S.a.m.m.?

[@gungadin6265]

This is crazy. They only should have made a 7800x3d. The higher end models are a waste. The top choices for gaming on an AMD cpu are the 5800x3d and 7800x3d (at the high end of course, not taking into account cost per frame, value, etc.) Why else do you think they delayed the 7800x3d ?

[@blkspade23]

It's not a waste at all. People exist with 5950Xs for example that would've liked to have v-cache without giving up cores. The happy with 8 core crowd basically had 5800X3D for 2 years. Not everyone that plays games, just plays games.

[@gungadin6265]

@@pcworld I think you can game just fine on a 7950x without the 3d. Its a toss up in games anyway, whether the cache is used or the clocks matter more.

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@@blkspade23 i just don't think the 3d is necessary on chips with that many cores that can already play the top games without issues, especially at 1440p and 4k, then its mainly down the gpu.