RYZEN AI MAX + Is Coming! 40CU iGPU APU, The End Of Mid Range GPU's?

[@RockstarRomania]

A quick note. The RX 7600 XT may have GDDR6 memory, but on a slow 128-bit bus. The new APUs will have a 256-bit Quad-Channel memory controller, so that's going to be interesting.

[@plkh9602]

GDDR6 may be "slow" but is quad data rate and designed for graphic usages, DDR is double data rate (hence the name), on a 128 bit vs 256 bit buses assuming mostly the same clock speed on both platforms the final value to compare is bandwidth (GB/s). There will not be that much difference on that side if DDR5 is used as main system memory. Très bonne journée, Bien cordialement, N/A

[@rogerthomas7040]

The memory bandwidth of a stock rx 7600 xt is 288 GB/s, the claimed bandwidth for these processors is up to 273 GB/s as memory support goes up to LPDDR5X-8533.

[@kerajit]

@@plkh9602 Well, we actually have the numbers, so we don't need to guess. 7600XT memory theoretical bandwidth is 288 GB/s while quad LPDDR5X-8500 (leaks says that it will support up to 8500MT) so 8,5 GT/s * 64 bit * 4 = 2176Gbit/s = 278GB/s, so the 7600 XT has less then 3.6% higher bandwidth. So assuming, no weird cooling issues, using slower ram, etc. having uniform memory for cpu and gpu, no PCIe overhead, being rdna3.5 vs rdna3 more CU, the 395 and 390 models should be way more powerful than 7600XT. My guess, probably around 7-12% (but the number came straight out of my ass so take that with a grain of salt). Edit, one afterthought, you need to remember that DDR5 has much lower timings, which isn't that important for a GPU that loads huge chunks of data at a time, but at the same time unified memory can be a benefit, but it also will compete with CPU for that bandwidth. But I still think that 25% more CU will compensate for that.

[@sownlengoc]

but will they fix the bug making apu run much slower on any amount of vram higher than 4gb?

[@Arutemysu]

​@@plkh9602 GDDR means Graphics Double Data Rate. In theory DDR5 can be as fast as GDDR6, mainly because I believe the latency on DDR is lower, but the speed on the GDDR is higher.

[@DeepteshLovesTECH]

It'll only kill anything if it's priced appropriately to be a segment killer.

[@UnfitRuler]

It's not going to be priced appropriately

[@EtaCarinaeSC]

which it wont.

[@shirakolee]

1.5k

[@T90MT]

It's for sure gonna be somewhat cheaper than a Mac mini, but you should stop hoping for strix halo to be priced within 1000 bucks.

[@fuzzymuppet1990]

Yeah, you can't even find hx370s in laptops under a grand, not yet anyway. Mainly because they are putting them in premium featured laptops with oled screens, etc.

[@bradleythatcher2869]

That 8c/32cu is like a base PS5 but better newer processes. That is awesome!

[@JefftheLandShark001]

with DDR5 RAM Speed.. expect big performance drop.

[@bankaimaster999]

@@JefftheLandShark001 What if it's in time for LPCAAM2 Ram?

[@JefftheLandShark001]

@@bankaimaster999 what would that do? it will still be limited by DDR5 compare to DDR6 of dedicated GPU.

[@sbrader97]

​​@@JefftheLandShark001Faster speeds than current ddr5 and they will have wider bus width quad channel memory to compensate a bit for the slower ddr ram than gddr and 32mb infinity cache

[@HP4L16]

​@@JefftheLandShark001it has 256GB/s memory bandwidth, only slightly lower than the 288GB/s of RX 7600XT which is way faster than the weak PS5.

[@jhonrock2386]

So, AMD did what Ive been thinking it would be a possible solution to the VRAM bandwidth problem with a high performance IGPU. Adding on-die cache memory to compensate, at least to some level, the low bandwidth.

[@AndrewTSq]

Intel did use 4GB HBM2 ram for the igpu part of Intel Core i7-8809G, but it also had 24 AMD Vega compute units, so AMD should do something similar for their own designs.

[@dimitriid]

It's an improvement, but not enough to spell the "End of midrange GPUs" as ETA is claiming: it might replace the need for entry level GPUs completely because before this even the best APU was still behind something like a 4050. This might match that but beyond that it just doesn't has the ram speeds to compete with even modest dedicated gddr vram. AMD *could* just give us something like an HBM solution like intel is doing on Lunar Lake (But even faster memory speeds than that) for example where you don't even bother with ram on the system overall it's all on chip and that but HBM is prohibitively expensive enough to push the price of said theoretical APU into a regular CPU + modest midrange GPU. Every year there's a new APU and people get exited saying we finally don't need GPUs and every year they run into the same issue: can't replace vram speeds and capacity yet.

[@randomweirdyoutubechannel8955]

Ive been thinking the same thing since the 2200g came out quad channel would massively help and i wouldn't mind paying extra for it in a laptop or a mini pc

[@josephdias5859]

i been wanting an apu with hbm2 built into the chip with quadchannel support since like 5800k

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

@@josephdias5859you don’t want HBM on an APU because the latency would be way too high for the CPU half. The best way to improve bandwidth is by adding channels. Apple has up to 8 channels on the M4 Max (they say 16, but they use 32-bit channels, not 64).

[@kingkrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa4527]

Valve could use something like this for a Steam Machine 2.0.

[@TacticalHawk34]

I bet Microsoft is looking into this for next XBox too

[@hansmatos2504]

@@TacticalHawk34 Doesn't Xbox already have more than 40 CUs?

[@JefftheLandShark001]

​@@hansmatos2504 i think he's talking about handheld Xbox..

[@TacticalHawk34]

@@hansmatos2504 Yes, but only Series X and those are RDNA2 - new AMD ones are faster and more energy efficient - maybe next gen xbox handheld?

[@izcondoralexander]

tbh, im hoping for valve to explore ARM as their next steam deck 2 apu, more performance with at lower wattage

[@charlesburris6314]

It's exciting to see iGPUs finally realize good performance, though the prices are prohibitive. At least we can see the days of separate GPUs come closer to their end.

[@Dante_S550_Turbo]

i mean that is literally what consoles have been for over a decade.

[@iN00BiXD]

Hope these come to the diy market skipped out on Ryzen 5000g and 8000g waiting for something like this.🤞🤞

[@icerink239]

I think the best you could get would be a mini itx motherboard with a laptop strix halo APU soldered on

[@Crustenscharbap]

@@icerink239 Sounds interesting. Where to get one?

[@icerink239]

@@Crustenscharbap thats only a hunch from me, based on whats currently available in the market

[@foxdart]

it wont. even if they sold the chip to diy (which they could i guess) there is NO motherboard that can do 256 bit ram. AM5 should have been 256bit to go with these new APUs

[@novantha1]

These don't fit in the same package as standard AM5, so I wouldn't hold my breath. Technically speaking they could fit onto a Threadripper platform, but that would be pretty wasteful (you'd be paying for RAM slots on the motherboard and PCIe connections that you couldn't use), and engineering them to fit on there would be a nightmare. I don't think AMD's planning to release an inbetween AM5 / TRX chipset motherboard line just for these, so... ...These probably aren't coming to DIY. They should come to mini-PCs that use laptop chipsets (like the current ones using the AI 9 HX370), and there might be custom motherboards coming out of China with a Strix Halo bolted onto them, so there probably will be options, but keep in mind they'll be niche products with a bit of a markup compared to what you would expect, and they'll be a bit goofy. The end of generation sales from Minisforum and the like will be pretty interesting for these, though.

[@AhmadQ.81]

Having this for AI is fantastic with 128GB RAM.

[@Cadallin]

It really is. It means you can run OpenAI level models on a PC, with no internet connection at all. Complete privacy. I've been following the rumors on Strix Halo closely for exactly this reason. It all depends on pricing. AMD needs to price these at their actual performance level, not with crazy town pricing. (The top end sku will perform like laptops with 4060s/4070, which are less than $1500. That's good performance, but if they try and price it so its only in $2000+ laptops it'll be dead in the water.)

[@isbestlizard]

RIGHT!!!

[@simplyble]

interesting enough , the first leak was from an asus engineer because they were discussing the z13 that is for 2025 where in it will have better cooling because the mobo and the whole thing needs less space with the total of 110w so it should be very interesting to say the very least

[@santoshdaware]

price of laptops will be $3000 and shameless tech youtubers will justify the price.

[@AnonymousAnonymous-zp6lu]

This is the proof that Mid Range and Low End GPUs are not going anywhere

[@Anna-56af8]

Even the Ryzen 7840HS still hasn't gone down in price even though the 8840HS has been released for months now

[@kungfupoopoo]

Unlikely, given that you can get a high end laptop with a dedicated GPU for that price.

[@Gazpolling]

My dad's toshiba office laptop was $3000 (bought by the company), it was 2007, adjusted for inflation it is maybe close to $6000 now, And none of the people in his office could fully appreciate the use, so most of the time its the kid me who use it lol, Its selfish to ask for cheap price for new tech, we can always buy last year tech which will be very good even for heavy usage

[@ranjitmandal1612]

Is it ?

[@smashpro1]

Imagine that 40 CU iGPU in something like a Ryzen 10700G inside an Asrock DeskMini X600. That could be an ultra-portable setup for LAN parties.

[@StretchDattass]

this is my dream bedroom build. more than enough power for most of the things i want to play on it, and anything else i can SteamLink to my full gaming rig.

[@NadeemAhmed-nv2br]

​@vinyfiny This thing will be 3000+ dollars and will mostly be sold out because it can run big LLMs (AI) natively. This is a game changer because although much slower, it is able to run stuff that was previously only limited to $50000 GPUs. With 256 gigabytes, it will sell like hot cakes and be sold out most at the time. Zluda now allows Cuda to run on it directly and even if it didn't, the AI community will wring software support out by themselves because the alternative is $50000 and also extremely Limited availability.

[@kaczan3]

Will Strix Halo be for desktop as well Or just Laptops?

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

@@kaczan3 Initially just for laptops. As they get some overstock inventory smaller manufacturers like Minisforum and Beelink will put them in mini PCs. They’re gonna be expensive though, probably over $1,500. If someone is going to have a big gaming PC that they’re streaming from anyway, something with a much more modest Strix Point APU would make more sense and those are already available.

[@elihernandez330]

I wonder if we'll soon see quad channel ram used in laptops to give these igpus the bandwidth they deserve. I imagine it'd be soldered on memory because having 4 slots would be kinda crazy but would be awesome.

[@TacticalHawk34]

They could go with RAM-on-chip like latest Intel ones

[@RockstarRomania]

They will have, which is awesome.

[@bighousemusic628]

Camm2 memory module is the future of rams one stick can start from 16gb up 2tb

[@Crustenscharbap]

But its kinda crazy expensive. Thats the problem. So only Threadripper has 4-Slots (128-Bit Bus). Apple charges about 600$ more for 128 bit instead 64. Apple custumers are 'ready' to pay a lot. :D

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

@@bighousemusic628 CAMM2 is DoA. Laptop manufacturers and consumers have already gotten used to soldered memory. This will have memory on package anyway, no chance of upgrading, even if you’re brave enough to resolder the RAM.

[@nayt33z]

on paper that thing is going to be more powerful than the ps5!! not only does it have 11% more Cu's, but it's running RDNA3.5 vs the PS5's RDNA2 which generally has HIGHER than 50% more performance per watt. Not to mention more cpu cores/threads with a much more efficient and way faster architecture as well. That thing is going to be amazing! I can't wait to see what it will do

[@loucipher7782]

that thing will also cost 10x of ps5 better buy a ps5 and build a pc with 4090

[@mannkeithc]

More powerful iGPU in APUs is the way to go. Its more power efficient, plus fits in better with European and Asian city lifestyles where accommodation space can be tight due to prohibitive cost of accommodation, and a big desktop PC takes up a lot of space.

[@gamersruin]

I'm really hoping we see either a desktop apu release of Strix Halo or a minisforum-style itx board. Would totally buy either or both of these.

[@StretchDattass]

Desktop Strix Halo is the fuckin Dream, man, give me a super powerful small footprint build i can throw in an Asrock X600 and shove in my bedroom for light gaming.

[@gamersruin]

@@StretchDattassI have a Skyreach S4T and a 250W GaN and would love a tiny little gaming beast.

[@mickaelmattioli2927]

I think APUs are the future for 99 percent of laptops and a very large part of desktop PCs, I realized this with the Asus ROG Ally, I installed Diablo 4 and I played in very good condition. I think that for the general public it largely meets the need. The insane price of graphics cards is no longer justified for casual gamers and with such developments as Ryzen 9 AI 370HX and Intel Ultra9 200 Series Passionate gamers are the future target of ryzen AI max because many games don't need graphics power to be interesting Only high-end graphics cards will be able to last for users who are increasingly reduced in view of the prices I bought EM780 Minisforum and you can play a lot of games with pleasure despite the graphic concessions because video games are not only linked to a debauchery of technology. I've been playing video games for more than 40 years now . a big thank you from France for your really interesting content

[@wimvanderschelden1369]

Raw memory bandwidth for 256bit wide LPDDR5X-8000 is a respectable 256GB/s. That is excluding the large cache these chips come with. For reference, that's within spitting distance of the desktop 7600 XT. If they can power and cool this chip, it could be really strong.

[@ManuelGrau]

I'd love a mini-pc with that AI Max+.

[@Exploding_Barrels]

Now we just need someone to make a 130W passive cpu cooler

[@Mr.D.K.]

У нокты есть.

[@real_misterio227]

​@@Mr.D.K.мне кажется для формата мини пк он будет ахуть какой огромный

[@ranjitmandal1612]

Gonna be intresting to see in hand

[@MichalBrat]

So this will finally be the Steam Machine PC we have been waiting for? Bring it on!

[@ezforsaken]

this is amazing, I've starteed my war against dgpus some time ago, i'm already extremely happy with owning setups under 100w for gaming. this is going to be even better!

[@sandorbence2067]

Two concerns, power and price. The AI 9 370 already needs upwards of 40-50W to put down peak performance, with the extra cores, CUs and RAM bandwith this could easily eat well over a 100W, maybe closer to 200W going all in (read 120W somewhere but that'll be probably a middle ground). Also the AI 9 HX 370 machines are expensive, both as laptops and as mini PCs (like Beelink's 1000 dollar PC where it'll be 1250 later). Something like this couold easily cost closer or upwards of 2000 dollars. Considering this I don't really see the appeal compared to competitors with separate CPU and GPU, and you can get 4070m machines already at reasonable prices, plus we don't know what Blackwell/RDNA4 GPUs will offer. The only huge selling point is the huge amount of VRAM, if you don't need fast VRAM (it'll be still slower than dedicated GDDR6/6X competitors), but you need a lot of it this might be worth it. But it seems more like a workstation option rather than a gaming one. Maybe the base 8/32 if it's cheap enough.

[@Crustenscharbap]

Its as fast as the RTX 4060m not the 4070. I think this can be very efficient because it uses a high bandwith with low clocked RAM. The problem could be that the CPU part could pull over 100W. But yes. I think these will pull 100-150W under load and the price will be for sure over 2000$. Even the HX370 is very, very expensive.

[@itsmilan4069]

​@@Crustenscharbapyou mean 3050 not 4060

[@CompellingBytes]

@@Crustenscharbap If it's over 2000 dollars, who is it for? Because it's not really worth it to buy it just to play video games with.

[@StretchDattass]

@@itsmilan4069 thats current hardware, leaked specs are claiming anywhere between a 4070 desktop and a 4070m for the top end sku.

[@gabrigab1397]

We already have TDP for Ryzen AI Max+, and it's just 130 watt in total. AMD rated the chip at just 55w-130w. Don't forget this APU can use a 3nm TSMC process like Apple's chips, and their efficiency is basically on par with M2 Ultra (which is mindblowing, considenging we are having 32 threads with x86 instruction here). It's a beast. I doubt Apple could even reached its performance with an hypotetical M4 Ultra. Surely Qualcomm and Intel can't catch up in this segment.

[@annebokma4637]

Want this in a mini pc ASAP

[@diansandiputra1460]

This is what I always waiting for long time, a single processor that can gaming AAA game in 1080p res but can play at max graphic setting, with 3nm it will be more efficient and powerful also,

[@GlobalWave1]

Technically my M2 Max laptop is doing that now with crossover, Cxpatcher and steam. But this will be better since I don’t have to run a translation layer and will be able to run native.

[@doovplayz]

@@GlobalWave1and to add to that cyberpunk is coming to Mac next year so let’s see how well it runs natively without translation layers

[@prodbyzayas]

Nothing is getting killed unless the price is the killer

[@superpro_gamezyt710]

Finally, this is an era where gaming dos not require a GPU. Not to mention its gonna be its much more cheaper then a CPU and GPU combo, and so much more power efficent

[@DeepteshLovesTECH]

This makes no sense. For gaming performance, at least till now, no APU has been more cheaper or better performer than a CPU + dGPU. A powerful APU is complex and as a result is expensive to make. For example 8700G with 780m iGPU at 330 usd!!! Imagine if the PS5 APU would be available for purchase, the APU itself would cost 500 usd and would require a motherboard with a massive socket.

[@jackykwan2580]

Exactly if people factor in the electricity bills, those high end cards cost WAY MORE. But 130w is kinda huge too but little compared to 500w rtx 4090

[@ryanspencer6778]

This is supposed to compete with high end Apple chips. This is not supposed to replace midrange GPUs. It will be more expensive than them and won't be as powerful.

[@ThePgR777]

Highly doubt that, It will cost like 2000-2500$

[@UnfitRuler]

Cheaper? In which universe, have you seen the price of the last chips?

[@UNLKYHNTR]

I'm in for a mini PC. Imma wait for this beast to make its way into a Minisforum. Absolutely crazy.

[@MillerDvS]

I imagine laptops for sure, but I wonder if there are any rumors for a DIY segment potentially. Would love to build a small form factor system with this chip, however it feels like it might be a no with the lack of information about it.

[@lolishocks8097]

I want that for Desktop! Abandon dedicated GPUs.

[@fluffyfloof9267]

This is exciting news! I'm thinking twice whether i'll finally get that OCuLink eGPU upgrade, in January-ish, or perhaps a whole new box. I'll have to see how those options roll and how they fit into my budget. I wouldn't mind mini PCs with this new package to be a bit larger than my current Minisforum UM780 XTX, because of the increased TDP.

[@armond216]

Gonna be great for self-hosting your own Ai models

[@tjn6278]

What’s the price looking like?

[@DoodleDonkey45]

Yes

[@Shark-fj2sz]

Yes

[@AnonymousAnonymous-zp6lu]

Yeah about that...

[@Anna-56af8]

Hmmm...Yeah

[@AndrewTSq]

These cpu's will probably be in $3000 laptops

[@toddpeterson5904]

I mainly play MMORPGs that have been out for many years, so I don't need a dGPU. I recently switched to a Ryzen mini PC with 780m graphics. It works surprisingly well. That said, I would love to have something like this APU, even the 32CU version, to have a bit higher resolution. Can't wait to see what comes out.

[@SireDragonChester]

I still wish Valve would release some kinda steam box/console that 1080p to 1440p/60 capable with both DDR5 and GDDR6 memory of course running steam os. Something zen 3/RDNA3 or better. There been Rumours they working on vr/4k capable box. The prob with Soc or APU’s. They still use either LPDDR5 or DRR5 memory. They ok for small form factor or mobile device. But they still greatly hold back gpu. Would love see one these APU’s with proper GDDR6 Vram.

[@AndrewTSq]

The best APU I think was Intel Core i7-8809G. It had a quad core hyperthread cpu, AND a AMD Vega gpu integrated with 4GB HBM2 (HBM2 have higher bandwidth than DDR5) ram for the GPU, aswell as up to 64GB ram ddr4 for the cpu. I do not understand why AMD have not done their own version of this setup. It was released in 2018, so not so long ago, and kind of funny that Intel and AMD in the same chip.

[@riven4121]

@@AndrewTSq Because it would be insanely expensive. HBM is incredibly expensive to manufacture. This was why Vega and Radeon VII were overpriced at the time they came out. The whole reason Vega even used HBM was because the architecture was so shit that it would've been DOA without it because the cards needed the high bandwidth of HBM.

[@SireDragonChester]

@@AndrewTSq Yeah we know AMD can get HBM2 or what ever is current version. Haven’t seen anything at least on consumers level use any HBMx memory since what end of vega chips? Radeon 7 was last gpu I Remember. if AMD created rdna3 + version with HBMx I think would sell and maybe even give 4090 a run for its money. Consider a) wouldn’t catch fire or slowly burn itself up lol. B) AMD probably stick current plug that tried and tested. With both RDNA3 and up coming RDNAR, you’d think HBMx would be perfect for some these APU system. Especially if they’re shooting for more of a mid range performance. Imo I think wrong amd not to compete with Nvidia on RTX xx80/xx90 GPUs. Cus Nvidia will just continued get away with over charging high prices to gpu but at primer price. And ppl stupid enough buy it. Imo the I whole RTX are scam. Your paying primer price for cut down gpus. Except 4090 and she just cook itself at some point lol. I’m still on 2700x/16GB/GTX 1080ti. But I don’t think I should have spender more $2000+ to upgrade to 3090. (Canada price) and 6900xt here Canada still like $1000+ or more. Make no sense. Just got out hospital from blot clots. So don’t have $$ to upgrade anything atm. Only play ATS on pc, got ps5 for anything newer.

[@AndrewTSq]

@@SireDragonChester I guess they do not need to use HBM, but I guess some sort of onboard memory with its own bus would be good anyway. I have also stuck on my upgrade, I have a amd 5600x with 3070, and this computer will get 64GB ram upgrade cause I have a giftcard, but other than that. it will not be upgraded in years :)

[@SireDragonChester]

@@AndrewTSq Yeah my guess as well. HBMx I hear is still very expensive, and mostly used in server side or business. Yeah Pc parts are still insane. Slowly coming down some but atm still not worth it. It be interesting see if they new chips run better. The biggest problem with Soc or APU they not only using system memory but are often using very slow memory bus speed of just 128 bit. Which really hurts performance. As other have said. So maybe these new chip will be so much better.

[@abhishekmaurya4665]

the socket that amd is using has tdp limit of 130 watt, so there is a good head room to squeeze more performance from the igpu

[@signa8]

To the question about swapping out for a mini PC, the answer is YES! The real question comes down to the price and power, of course. This summer, I ended up with a $600 Minisforum PC with a Ryzen 9 7940HS, and I can play anything I want on it, including Elden Ring at max settings. Since my main desktop is a beast that creates a LOT of heat, I started using this one instead to stay cool and spend less power. If I was on a super tight budget, this one computer is all I need for all my computing needs. I'm not on a tight budget, so it's more of a secondary computer for me, but I'm still in awe at what this will do for so little money. I'm looking forward to the next time my friends have a LAN party, because this will be a breeze to carry along.

[@Sheerwinter]

Coming to desktop as well? Ill build a mini pc.

[@modulo3664]

The 130W power envelope is critical as UsbC adapters can be used. I believe Dell and Asus already make 130W chargers.

[@RagedGecko]

A couple of notes: 1. We may not see motherboards offering this, only 15 inch+ laptops and NUCs half the size of a textbook- There's only 6 offerings for the HX370 as of now. 2. AI MAX will use LPDDR5X which means A. No expandable memory, B. high upfront cost. 3. There is no mention of the possibility of a dedicated GDDR6 addition to the chip for the IGPU, infact- that might be intentionally as DDR5 simplifies memory management and allows AMD to advertise that the iGPU can dedicate 96GB+ of RAM for AI models- BUT for gaming, you're talking about ram that has 1/4 to 1/5th of the bandwidth. Im sure it'll be awesome just like the HX370, but these chips are for the small model AI market- not gaming

[@DanielZye]

Actually I still have a Ryzen 5700U notebook From 2021, it was dope at the time and still run light games like Hades, Ori, Cuphead and old stuff I didn't play yet. Very excited to see the huge steps of APUs

[@ardenallstars]

the 12/40cu build with 128gb lpddr6 or more ram for price around 1000-1500usd will be nice.

[@tekeagle2136]

128gb LPDRR6 laptops would cost about $3k.

[@antalpoti]

Cameron Diaz being my gf would also be nice.

[@spirobel2.0]

please compare memory bandwidth in the same measurement unit when you make these videos. thanks.

[@marekchmielewski7769]

I'd like to finally be able to run some local LLM with this AMD NPU

[@diablosv36]

This could be a killer mini PC for the masses. Hopefully pricing is decent.

[@critic_empower_joke_rlaxtslife]

Not shabby at all!

[@BixxPlays]

if i can get a 40cu part on an itx board it would be sick. i would finaly be able to go down in size from atx to itx.

[@Kreubs]

We still won't see 7600XT performance because of the limited power, but maybe they fixed the power draw for RDNA 3.5? The 7600XT can draw up to 190W by itself. My guess is performance would be closer to a 1080 Ti/6600XT, but that's still insane for an iGPU.

[@Vinterloft]

They've handed Assus timed exclusivity so by the time I'll care about this the thing will already be obsolete.

[@marcusk7855]

I wish AMD would do more for compatibility with all the Ai libraries. Flash attention only works on one of their GPU's. A server grade one. This could be awesome for inferencing larger models.

[@FadeHook23]

Reminds me of the Skull Canyon NUC

[@laizabaiza]

The temps will be insane on those laptops ,instead of dealing making cheap less power consumable they making worst and worst

[@FilippoCarrux]

I really hope the future could be mini pc like a gti12 from beelink with a full x16 pcie for eventually bigger upgrades.

[@marverickbin]

96gb gpu ram is great for my IA models. Just hope it can be used with pytorch

[@yougoonie3338]

Here we go, it's starting, one chip to rule them all with low TDP. One day, GPU's will be universal and we won't need to upgrade them every year to play the same games. Mark my words.

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

maybe, it will be like now that 890m vega can play older games well at very high settings

[@anulearntech]

I'd like to see yhe GPU soldered memory chips to have directly soldered onto the motherboard of laptop or minipcs. This would make thr igpu get rid of any memory bottleneck. Or they could have a system with separate slots for GPU memory say a ddr6 slot or something with gpu memory being physically independent of the CPU lpddr5 memory.

[@joaquinm7502]

I find this compelling for the right price. I would use this on a secondary PC and I had a 4070TI in a mini ITX case but move that to my mid tower and I would to replace the 4070 with this and stream from my main PC and game on this for lighter work loads.

[@ktechnology9146]

But will it be priced for the gaming market or the AI / big data market? I think this could be something to consider when it's a generation behind, if you can ignore the flashiness of whatever is new by then.

[@andrewbrooks2001]

This is what I've been waiting for!

[@JittikMieger]

If it'll be cheaper as a normal CPU + comparable mid range graphics card, it'll be a great success! (But I am doubtful about that.) I am interested for sure. I prefer APU's for a cleaner PC build, but performance was still lacking. This could certainly address that.

[@irata2006]

More power than a PS5 in these new AMD chips. Looking forward to laptops and mini PCs with these inside!

[@pweddy1]

AMD isn’t going to focus on the top GPUs SKU *until* they have chiplets that are cost effective as a result of Unified DNA from there pro series of GPUs. That was why they stated they were skipping the high end RDNA 4 GPUs. They didn’t feel like they could make a high end GPU that was cost effective with multi chip architecture using the RDNA 4 architecture.

[@robebojorquezgaming3126]

Imagine this on a small 12 inch windows tab with wireless keyboard and the long battery life and been able to have the same performance tuning of the battery

[@Nightweeb92]

If I can get a minisforum mini pc with one of these built in and play few AAA titles at 1080p 60 with med to high settings I think I'd get one. But even then it'd be nice if the mini PCs came with a itx case option to snap it all into a case with a dedicated GPU.think the b550 elite dock but with a shell.

[@kewnst]

HEY 40 cu count is like a 6750 exectly..... would the CPu itself 12 or 16 core be equivelient t the 7900 7950 x? coulfd we have a 4060 ti preformance 7950xt PC? omg. am i right?

[@-BarathKumarS]

cpu equivalent-atleast matching a ryzen 9 9950x in single core and multicore perfomance gpu equivalent-atleast an RX 7600 or RX 6750xt or roughly like you said an rtx 4060 ti with 96GB of max possible VRAM. RT perfomance should technically be better than rx 7600 too

[@HidroPig]

could work well as a "gaming console" if we can install Steam and use it like the handheld. I wouldn't trade my desktop, which is a lot more powerful than that, but as a "companion" console, at the right price, yeah it could work

[@BastyTHz]

it would be great if we can stack this up. something like intel's xeon pi

[@lonelygoner2012]

this chip is amazing. if they go 2nm in the future it will be insane. laptops with this chip are uber expensive though

[@o.b.a6035]

more interested in the 16 cores CPU BEAST they always deliver good results by just grinding through every task like smooth butter

[@eg4933]

finally we're replacing discrete gpus. tbh, you could've always had gpu and cpu on same mobo, but somehow that didn't pan out.

[@alooy3331]

i just want one of these new 40 CU IGPU on a new Lenovo legion handheld!!

[@StretchDattass]

i mean, if you want literally 30 minutes of game time before the battery dies, sure. these are all 100W+ chips my dude, for this chip to be in a handheld youd either need a decade of Solid State Battery innovation in a week, or a battery that weighs as much as an ROG Ally X on its own. These are laptop, Mini PC, and hopefully, Desktop chips.

[@alooy3331]

@@StretchDattass i totally understand what youre saying but i am now hoping that since AMD jumped on the APU hype train and decided to fully focus on the sector it is without a doubt a need for the next gen highly efficient APU to hit the Handheld gaming segment, not asking for crazy specs on a tiny display but a fluid and smooth 1080p native gaming experience with performance for the likes of GTX 1060 or RX580 would be awesome for handheld lovers like me who really enjoys carrying a one for all small portable device that is not a Laptop and is as simple as to hook up to those slim portable monitors that get powered through USB C.... i mean we are surely almost there !

[@622c490402]

What do you say, SER9, Atom man G7 Ti or wait for this to be released?

[@sobari745]

I’m hoping Valve makes a mini PC with their Steam Deck OS with a chip like this. As much as I like the Steam Deck, I’d prefer something more TV/monitor friendly since I don’t game outside the house much.

[@kazriko]

I already went to an iGPU for my main system, an older 5700g. A 40CU apu? That would let me get rid of my Steam Headless streaming system that I use for the higher end games... I mostly game at 1080p in a window, or 3440x1440 for lower end games... The Steam Headless is limited to 1080p.

[@TaylorAekins]

Would sharing your memory directly with the CPU be better than ReBAR?

[@Tokamak_9]

The chips are evolving so rapidly this days that I can't buy anything right now without the fear that in a month or two will be obsolete!

[@alexdanciu5107]

This era maybe can open for new laptop for anything that means , Best for gaming , productivity, ai and more

[@JustRandomPerson]

Basically analog of apple chips, something between max and ultra. Only for non mac os users.

[@rickgear2579]

Could this end up in a Steamdeck or Legion Go?

[@19CD91]

No way. Wattage is going to be through the roof for a handheld.

[@endostatic7687]

Me with a 1650 and R5 3600 would gladly opt for a mini PC like that. I wanted a portable PC but I've always hated laptops and maybe that is the answer. Just hope it doesn't cost an arm and a leg...

[@Saif0412]

The success of the this APU all depends on price, hope it doesn't cost significantly more than discrete GPU's with better performance.

[@Gazpolling]

I hope steam deck 2 and rog ally 2 will use this cpu

[@KingDStefan]

Ryzen AI Max + 395 will be in ProArt, ROG Flow X, TUF, because of APU (CPU + iGPU) TDP at 120W Ryzen AI Max 390: 90W APU Ryzen AI Max 385: 60W APU But not a big deal, better wait for AMD AI Max 400 will have RDNA 4 iGPU, maybe with 3D V-cache L3.

[@Michplay]

Hope it will be announced at the AI event 10 oktober

[@sc9433]

Ultra compact mini itx is alive!

[@cbinvb]

need something with 4 ram slots, know of any tiny matx cases?

[@sc9433]

@@cbinvb try c26 acoustic wave

[@ktolis]

When are the ultras coming ?

[@JoJoDramo-ih7qk]

How about a setup with a mini zen5 mini pc and a external 7800 with lower clocked memory to estimate the Zen Max perf due to non-gddr? 👀 Too far way?

[@Robin-xe4yz]

Are these HX370s available standalone cpu or are they only integrated for laptops? I would love to do an iGPU mini itx build with the upcoming ryzen ai max 390-395 but I'm not sure if they'll be available only in laptops.

[@slow_Jo]

will these be offered in desktop flavor or mobile only? this will be a huge leap vs my current 5600g.

[@kyoyaga1393]

Is it going to be release on desktop or laptop ?

[@lld401]

Are those cpu for portable or laptop?

[@hendrikwillemadrianusthart2233]

what about the iGPU with dedicated GPU combined ? as deeplink on intel, would the AMD counterpart do more than only decode encode stuff but actually load balance making it worth such an iGPU APU ?

[@Blingchachink]

But that’s gonna wrap it up but that’s gonna wrap it up.

[@christophercrespo9043]

Why put LESS CUs on the gaming model (8 core)?

[@50H3i1]

Wish there was a 6core cpu 40CU GPU model . So maybe it could fit into handhelds with 3nm node

[@564d3]

APU CPU cores are mostly e-cores lately, useless for gaming. In Strix Point there are 6-8 e-cores and only 4 p-cores. Hoping they'll split it evenly there, like 4+4, 6+6, 8+8. So the Max 390 is your model. It won't fit a handheld though, more like a quite big gaming laptop with a reasonable thermal solution and battery.

[@50H3i1]

@@564d3 C-cores* and they are not like intel e-cores they're same core architecture just clocked lower

[@564d3]

In reviews they end up parking them anyway to get better performances in gaming (in case they are used). I guess at least half of Strix Halo CPU cores will end up like that. But they are good for autonomy when doing other tasks.

[@endostatic7687]

If ETA Prime is talking about leaks, you know it's serious.

[@pdiscool]

When is mini pc with this expected to come out?

[@denvera1g1]

If i can get a mini PC with 256 bit bus, and up to 8 sticks of RAM not only would i buy one of these for myself, but for the CAD labs at work, finally an APU that i can give 128GB of dedicated RAM, but is more than just an iGPU Sure with the 8700G i can in theory dedicate up to 256GB of VRAM once the 128GB DDR5 modules are released, but that doesnt mean as much when its slower than an RTX A2000

[@villegasmolinamarcoantonio6618]

A question, can't you use the Ryzen IA Max 385 in any PC/portable console? That is, they should limit the power from 5 to 30w for it to work?

[@-BarathKumarS]

yes

[@der-Troet]

thats what i´ve been waited for