S&W 327 2" aka Pug Nose Re-visited 2017

Here we talk about the S&W 327 2" aka Pug Nose in 2017.
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[@MidwayShooter]

Seeing the pug is like seeing an old friend. And I don't care what you carry as long as you train and carry. Let the haters hate my friend.

[@TheOl1911]

it truly is! I look at the Pug and I'm like oh yeah! but... sticking to the 1911. Yes lots of hate or...just weird messages I get from people but hey whatever floats their boat. thanks my friend

[@ozzsanchez4715]

I sent my 327 back to S&W for some work, I ask them to replace the cylinder with SS and they did at no charge. Love their customer support. I don’t worry about cylinder erosion.

[@Walkingman.45]

Wonder what this setup with ss cylinder weighs-

[@donnadonna9907]

This is Rich. I'm still laid up and banged up with a dead phone. Thanks Donna my love for letting me use your phone!! 😘😘🇺🇸🇺🇸 I love the looks of so many s&w revolvers. But since about 2008 their quality control has not been good. The Yankee Marshall got a 586 lcomp with a crooked barrel. They told him it was within tolerance. They did finally fix it. I wanted a trr8 for an open carry state, but I don't too pay 1300 dollars for a problem. I love the new Ruger 8 shots also. If I don't win in 8 shots I'm probably dead anyway!! Thanks for your videos and honesty. Rich

[@larryl603]

I just bought a 327 2 inch and I ordered a lobo pancake holster I have a couple hundred rounds with it I'm surprised at how easy it is to hit head shots at 20 yards this is an awesome gun your vids helped me make the change from a semi auto to the revolver it just makes sense for me at this stage of my life it's so simple to use thanks

[@harman2476]

I have the full sized version of the pug, the 327 TRR8 5", and it's probably one of my most favorite things ever. If you can get ahold of one to shoot, you would definitely not regret it.

[@freefieldtraining]

Man, I wish I had the heart to carry an 8shot N frame every day. Some days I still look at the J frame and say, "well you are all I have the heart to carry today little guy". I love the idea of the pug nose, I just can't get over the thickness. I have been thinking about getting one of the new model 66's though. Maybe that will scratch my revolver carry itch a bit better without having to resort to a big boy gun.

[@TheOl1911]

Yes! I have actually been thinking of the new 66 as well. I don't know anyone at the club that has one yet. But I'm waiting for someone to buy one but I'm not sure if its out yet? Maybe it is. But yeah the Pug is thick for IWB. I didn't like IWB with the pug. It got me just in the right places to make me say forget IWB. I hope you do get a new wheelie!

[@emello4you]

That's what shoulder holsters are for.

[@franciscafusingan1886]

The only revolver i considered having. Still waiting for my unit. In my country it would take 3 to 6 weeks before getting the pistol you purchased. I am a little disappointed to know about the cylinder errosion but i appreciate that i learned about it because of this channel.

[@scottperson9487]

I hear so much about S&W customer service on Performance Center revolvers. It seems they all end of going back for repairs, often many times. For the price these Performance Center revolvers should be perfect almost every time.

[@TheRonald6524]

I want all three of these in my collection. Great 👍 channel

[@TheOl1911]

Thanks for watching!

[@jmuhr8952]

I stumbled across your channel while you were doing your series on the 327. Luckily it was on the California roster because once I saw it I had to have it. Have had mind for about a year and although I don't shoot it that often, I absolutely love it. Just my opinion, but the coolest looking revolver out there.

[@TheOl1911]

that is great man! Keep it! It truly is a unique gun.

[@jfm562]

Back to S&W twice for Service and you’re satisfied? I’d be upset.

[@matts9445]

You have simply excellent taste in firearms. And thank you for your vids on this little pug. Local shop has one, def on my shortlist. God bless!

[@bigmike3487]

Basement Commando's just do not know the capability of the .357 Magnum cartridge. A well placed strike usually means the fight is over. I have no issues carrying my 2" Colt Lawman as a primary and that 327 snubby is also a fight stopper.

[@TheOl1911]

LOL - basement commando's. Love that. Just last night at a shop two millennials as they are called now!? were browsing. Overheard me talking about how I carry a 1911 with one of the sales guys....one guy had to interject and tell me that a 1911 is a bad choice...thumb safety is a death trap....y carry a heavy gun...why not carry a gun that can hold 10 rounds (our limit)... imagine if I was carrying the pug, LOL. he promptly lifted his shirt to expose a G19 with RMR installed and said "This is a true fighting handgun". Also he used a lot of big words from a thesaurus....i could not take him seriously. I think even his friend who also carried a G19 was kinda like, "Ok already" hahahaha

[@Chriskelly19067]

I've been buying Smith and Wesson performance center guns recently too and service was good, but for the prices the quality has been pretty lack luster....next Smith will be vintage...

[@TheGunfighter45acp]

Awesome! I'd have to keep them in separate safes because I'd never get out of the house in the AM if I had to decide which one to carry with them all staring back at me like puppies in the pound...

[@romans828.]

TheGunfighter45acp You win the "best comment" award. Puppies in the pound" LoL

[@TheOl1911]

LOL nice analogy!

[@ncalimendo]

Thanks for sharing this. Methinks a 686 in scandium lightweight with a 3" and/or 4" BBL with 7rd of 357 would be so sick EDIT: looks like the model 386 came close to that

[@bigvisk1125]

i really, really, really, wish SW would bring back the 386 scandy L frames. i would freaking love one. having scandy n frame and j frame, but no L frame... with the resurgence revolvers are having, i dont know why they havent yet.

[@freefieldtraining]

I was just thinking while watching this that I wish smith would make that new 66 combat magnum in scantium/titanium. That would be a sweet carry gun.

[@TheOl1911]

The Night Guard series was a good line. I am not sure what happened. I had one a few years ago (did a vid on it) and I really wanted a 327 Night Guard back then but could never find one. Maybe they will bring them back?

[@JimLBon]

free field training nice to see you here! Always enjoy your vids as well. You changed my life by giving the 'cop' approval to the j frame. Now I can't get enough of Smith wheelguns.

[@arcocola8183]

Jim Bonney - I recently got the 360 jframe .357. It's a kingpin

[@simonsonjack]

Great job!!!!Love you channel thank you for all your hard work and information

[@TheOl1911]

hey thanks for the kind words!

[@fuckinmetal1982]

love the puggy, only beef with it is that it seems to have a hard time handling hot loads. if i'm shooting .357, i want to be able to shoot the hot stuff and get all of the performance out of that round that i can. that's one reason why i chose the 686.

[@TheOl1911]

true. And yes you chose wisely!

[@johnbrake3239]

I traded into a 327 the other day, mine has a bobed hammer looks factory to me but have never seen one on another 327. was it Factory??? so far I love the thing!

[@TestTest-fm2cu]

The 327 PC is my dream gun. I think about it constantly.

[@arcocola8183]

Bill Palmer - it won't let you down. 8 rounds. Lightweight.

[@jojorobino5312]

That pug nose looks awesome. I personally would rather it in a 3 inch or 4 inch barrel, that handle looks nice.

[@GunsWithGage]

Subscribed. I'm going to carry a revolver soon, and your channel has some great info! I picked up a cheap taurus 85UL to practice with until I decide what nicer gun I want to carry.

[@TheOl1911]

thanks - I no longer carry a revolver but... let me know what you are thinking of carrying

[@GunsWithGage]

TheOl1911 I am really Interested in the 327 and 627. I'm not sure if i can do the 4inch, but just those extra 2 inches make a crazy difference in 357 performance.

[@TheOl1911]

+GunsWithGage have u considered the 627 PC snubby? Phenomenal wheelie!

[@TommyRibs]

If you like Smith and Wessons you could look into getting some older ones too. Model 19s, 66s, 27s, 28s, in 357 Magnum are all classics.

[@TheOl1911]

I know...I haven't had the time to look into some used ones. Not many around here but good ol Cabela's has a few overpriced ones.... we shall see.

[@joebatters5428]

First !!!.....Nice to see an update on the Pug Nose

[@TheOl1911]

ha, Pug is still hanging around. Haven't shot it in a while but...now I want to, haha

[@drdarwin1]

Thanks for the update on the Pug.

[@TheOl1911]

stay tuned did a vid on the 327 and 627 snub together.....coming soon!

[@normanmallory2055]

Oh ya you will like the V-Comp, that's a fine handgun... And the one i seen at my local range shoots as well as it looks...very well..

[@GunsNHarleys]

Great looking revolver, would love to try one. The service issues are a concern for me, for $1100 I don't expect to have issues. Also disappointing that certain types of ammo cause cylinder corrosion.

[@thesinfultruth7697]

It’s ok…just don’t use the rounds

[@specialo2]

At least your carrying a gun! I think a revolver or 1911 is just fine as a primary weapon. If people think you can't fight with a revolver or 1911 they should go train with Clint Smith. Nice video, thanks for the info!

[@TheOl1911]

LOL - good ol Clint Smith. It was Ken Hackathorn, Clint Smith and Chuck Taylor that convinced me to carry a 1911 back in the day. Thanks!

[@TheRebel48]

Hey man I love your videos I'm dying to get my hands on the 327 I was wondering if in your video you could touch on the fact that there are shot rounds you can also load. Keep up the great vids

[@HarrysHolsters]

Might seem extreme but it'd be awesome to carry the the comped 627!

[@TheOl1911]

man... hahahaha. I don't know. hey never say never

[@GunCollector007]

Awesome, they make a great pair!!

[@TheOl1911]

thanks my friend! I gotta get to the range soon...

[@cz1always608]

Missed this some how . What s up with that . Nice , wonder if mine ever went back ? Who would know , bet they would not , and if they did , doubt they would let me know . Thanks

[@TheOl1911]

I believe they may tell you the history of the gun. Try calling 800#

[@paxtonjohnsonll3282]

Thanks for your videos

[@jimmielittle877]

Actually looked at a pug years ago and NOW I'm glad I didn't buy one, 2 repair orders in what a year or so?

[@deanpontjeris5443]

Smith came out with a 66 2.75 inch 357 recently. Just bought one for a carry piece.

[@TheOl1911]

I saw that, very nice!!! Although I am partial to the 627 snubbie... enjoy it

[@Kevin_Ho70]

When I can carry any pistol as my EDC firearm... this 327 Snub Nose will be my Go To Choice! 8 rounds of .357 Magnum! Say that aloud! Drop the 🎤!

[@arcocola8183]

I took my 327 pug to the range the other day. Strokes like a boss. Amazing shooter. Will not part with it ever.

[@matthewrobinson4323]

Great video, as always. My grandson, who carries an M & P Shield 9mm, a gun I also have and enjoy likes to rib me about my carry guns; a Smith and Wesson 442, or a Rock Island Armory m 206 with the bobbed hammer, depending on my whim of the day, both snub nose revolvers. He says I need to start wearing a 10 gallon hat. 😄 Just curious: Have you looked at the Rock Island Armory? It's an amazing gun, especially when you factor in the price. I bought mine for $274.00 out the door. 6 shots of .38 Special. 26.5 ounces loaded. I really like mine.

[@TheOl1911]

Ahhh, would he be considered a millennial? heheheheheh. I said this in another reply to someone else: Just last night at a shop two millennials as they are called now!? were browsing. Overheard me talking about how I carry a 1911 with one of the sales guys....one guy had to interject and tell me that a 1911 is a bad choice...thumb safety is a death trap....y carry a heavy gun...why not carry a gun that can hold 10 rounds (our limit)... imagine if I was carrying the pug, LOL. he promptly lifted his shirt to expose a G19 with RMR installed and said "This is a true fighting handgun". Anyway RIA? The only one I looked at because a guy at the club had one was a 10mm. Unfortunately he had to send it back for warranty repair. But... I haven't tried any RIA revolvers???? I'll have to look for them to see.

[@matthewrobinson4323]

He was born in 1993, so I don't know if he's classified as a Millennial or what. Ü The RIA m 206 is modeled after the Colt Detective Special, at least externally. It's a great shooter. It's 10.5 ounces heavier than my Smith and Wesson 442, so it absorbs recoil better, and just a bit larger in size. I really enjoy shooting both of them, but the RIA is easier to shoot.

[@Richet125]

What do you use to clean your cylinder? I just got my 327 and I can't get the carbon deposits off of the raised part of the outside of the cylinder closest to the muzzle.

[@GunNutt6262]

What gun would you say is good to shoot and carry the 327 pug or the 586 l comp ?? I’ can’t decide what to get also love your vids

[@gilberttrujillo5660]

I'm about to buy one of these. Mainly for CCW and for home defense. I like the idea of an 8 shot revolver. Thanks for all the videos. I carry a Sig 938 now.

[@TheOl1911]

Which one will you be getting?

[@gilberttrujillo5660]

The 327 2 Pug. I have an old 686, and an Airlite too. I figure an 8 shot 357mag would be great for hiking, home defense and a truck gun.

[@yoshiyazunayatuhan884]

I love wheel gun especially that of Smith & Wesson. But It's awful here, when you buy S&W in the Philippines. There's no warranty service here. It's all at customer's risk. I hope they'll have soon.

[@TheWandOfOrcus]

I am curious. You sound shocked that you still have the pug after two years. To me that still seems young. I have handguns that I have had for 30 years now.

[@normanmallory2055]

Not from what i read that you can't shoot 125 grain mag loads through the pug nose.. It's a .357 mag and will digest any .357 mag ammo on the market ... The proof rounds the factory fires through the revolvers before they ship them is hotter than any ammo you will buy over the counter by far.... I shoot an L frame which is 586 which means it's a blued model it came before the 686 , i have thousands of rounds through it .. Darn good service in my book ... I carry it a lot and it has never failed .. I load Gold Dot bullets and have since Speer released them as i'm a handloader and have been for 56 years now.. excellent bullet ...

[@N98858]

thanks for the update... Nice New/more Rustic Table Top too ';-)

[@TheOl1911]

oh different location in the home, LOL - thanks

[@RickyJr46]

The Pug got huggable attitude.

[@BMaddenJune85]

I have to say: that 327 doesn't look like it has a 2" barrel. I couldn't recommend it, although S&W makes awesome products regularly, they should lengthen that 327 barrel. I LOVE the look of that 627 V-Comp. Wish I could get one.

[@zacharvoy6048]

Do you have to run it using moon clips?

[@mike34744]

You and yankee marshal like a lot of the same Guns.

[@TaskMaster2006]

Supermike Me Thinks the Yankee Marshall is a Copy Cat ! I don't think he has ever had a original thought !

[@Clint_the_Audio-Photo_Guy]

I want a pug like that, but steel. Probably would shoot like a dream.

[@jakhababa8637]

I like it...

[@clemsonalum98]

If colt still made pythons would you get one

[@bobhartman2571]

Two great carry guns.

[@adnanmohammad2900]

Nice revolver ,it good for use in Security Guard..I like it the small...

[@youngestson65]

Seems like the pug would have a hell of a recoil? 🤔

[@troyg.katucki4436]

I was thinking of getting a 8 shot 357 revolver. I know you have owned several. which one would you recommend?

[@TheOl1911]

Well - the one I don't have... The 627 PC snub nose. Its heavy but its a beast.

[@user-wo7rp6bc6t]

nice

[@Highgear145]

Smith and Wesson is known for their good customer service

[@TheOl1911]

they do have that good rep however the flip side is everyone knows that their new productions at times have some issues. But in the end they handle it.

[@bootlip11]

so did you check out the vz grips for the vcomp?

[@TheOl1911]

I have not.... gonna do that later! thanks

[@rjprescott4742]

.357 is so superior to the 9mm most of the haters carry, even in just a 2" barrel.

[@bootlip11]

RJ Prescott you should review the ballistic testing lucky Gunner did. humble pie never tasted so sweet

[@brassmax4426]

I shoot a 327 LCR. Thing packs a punch and you get that extra shot. Highly recommend both the gun and caliber.

[@MPGunther1]

I'm sure you meant the Pug Nose had "personality"

[@TheOl1911]

LOL

[@samualedwards3265]

Given all the warranty issues you had with the pug nose, would you buy it again? I'm about to order one this week for carry on my ranch.

[@TheOl1911]

yes I would. I like that revolver a lot. Granted I truly did shoot the snot out of it so... let me know what you do

[@samualedwards3265]

​@@TheOl1911 Just got it, haven' had a chance to shoot it yet, feels awesome in hand. I got a Don Hume JIT OWB holster for it that I like a lot. It's going to be my ranch carry since my county doesn't issue ccws. If it wasnt for your videos I never would have considered it so thank you!

[@ma.teresateodoraeviota8128]

Sir im asking that revolver how much?

[@scottsmith6571]

Pug is very accurate for barrel

[@philp411]

Glocks are fine...but the 1911 and revolver are timeless classics that will get the job done. I carry a 1911 and a j-frame and I don't feel bad one bit. I vote for the 1911 backed up by the pug 👍.

[@TheOl1911]

LOL - not a bad idea! The other SAO gun I really like is the good ol Hi Power.... i hope to have something in the works for one... we'll see. thanks

[@philp411]

+TheOl1911 HiPo's are nice but their design is inherently "weak" and unable to handle a lot of rounds or a steady diet of anything more than standard pressure.

[@jonathanross4196]

How are those 2 finger grips on that revolver? Im looking to put smaller grips on my 686 plus performance center. Any recs?

[@TheOl1911]

they are good for me but I do have smaller hands so.... larger hands probably won't be good. I know my bud GunGlutton doesn't like the two finger grip for his hand. But if its for carry I think its a must and just have to deal with it I guess. If not for carry probably look into 3 finger groove grip? Houge is good as it really does reduce felt recoil - the wood grips maybe might poke you upon recoil. VZ grips might be an option as they make different textures. The ones on the pug are Ahrends Grips. Work nicely for me

[@bobjohnson1633]

They seriously need to dump this titanium bullcrap and just redo the nightguard series.

[@johnc3436]

Can you please tell me how you get the burn marks off your titanium cylinder?! I have a 986 2.5 and a 929 and both have burn marks. The 929 marks were enough that Smith and Wesson asked for return. I did not see signs of erosion nor did they and sent it back. Now it has marks again. I have tried all I know to do while being careful not to be so aggressive to damage the coating.. Smith and Wesson was no help in suggestions on cleaning. I tried the wadding cloth suggested elsewhere. You said you shoot yours a lot and it looks great. Thanks to anyone who responds.

[@TheOl1911]

You can try this product made by Hoppes: www.amazon.com/Hoppes-Elite-Cleaner-Bottle-Ounces/dp/B0013RA3A6 You can also try a pencil eraser if you'd like. But burn rings aren't bad. If its left on there so be it. Too much cleaning could do more damage. Good luck.

[@johnc3436]

Thank you very much for the response. That is already the only cleaner I use. It does what it says as far as future cleanings becoming easier. My 5 star rating is on Amazon. I don't care about burn rings on the cylinder face. The marks on the sides I mind, they are little flame burns. I don't see them in other pictures on the internet. So I must be doing something wrong, or the ammo I use at the range (Brazer Brass 9mm 115gr) is causing it. But S&W examined the gun (they requested I send it in when I sent them pictures). When they sent it back they must have done something because the marks were reduced. When I asked them what they cleaned it with, they asked I send the gun in again (?). They look bad, but I worry more about the wear. Sorry for the long response but this is the ONLY thing keeping me from buying a 327 pug nose (I have the TTR8 - amazing) . Your videos sold me, I especially like that you showed all was not perfect. I will try the eraser. If you have other thoughts - like about the ammo - please let me know. Thanks again.

[@scottelly2]

I think it's funny that you think that's a lot of wear. lol Just so you know, you can't put a gun through a lot in two or three years. Come back to us in twenty years, once you've carried it for at least ten years and been in combat with that thing a few times. ;)

[@57HEMIviken]

that L comp....

[@eric19875]

One of the most charismatic firearms.

[@TheOl1911]

really seems to be! haha

[@gerryk3114]

S&W Customer Service is Wonderful !! I had to send my 627Pro back because of light primer strikes ?? DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO COMMENTS OTHERS MAKE ABOUT ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE !! Choice of Carry Gun, Choice of Gun Purchase etc. !! YOU HAVE FANTASTIC TASTE IN GUNS !!! If Only I Had $$$$ ?!?!🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫

[@TheOl1911]

That is interesting because you and a handful of people out there have also sent their 627 Pro back for light primer strikes. I had to send my 627 Pro back for a sticking cylinder - it would not release. I sold it after I got it back... I can't remember. Maybe that was a different S&W but yes they handle warranty work no questions asked. Thanks for the comment!

[@gerryk3114]

***** FYI: The 627 has Now been promoted to the Performance Center Status ?!?! In my opinion, even after S&W service, it's Not a Performance Center Gun (not yet)? I know from talking to Customer Service, the Hammer Spring Chosen is on the edge of performance and reliability (solid spring gives greater firing pin force But Really Bad Trigger Pull, ribbed spring (Wolf, supplied in production) gives smoother trigger pull, But May be a problem with light primer strikes)! S&W CS replaced my firing pin and Yoke ?? Personally I don't think the action is as Smooth as a PC Revolver, but since I don't own a lot of PC Guns, I have nothing to compare it to !

[@arcocola8183]

Gerry K - my 327 went back home due to light primer strikes. It came back perfect!!!

[@gerryk3114]

Arco Cola Good to know ! Thanks

[@JimLBon]

That's lame you catch crap for carrying a wheel gun. All these wannabe Team 6 guys really ruin it. Wheelguns have done well for us for a long time, and I know I'm not rushing into 'Blackhawk Down.' I have stuff for that for fun mainly, but wheelguns have done well by cops for a long time and if it's good enough for an off-duty officer who is far more likely to have to use it than me, I'm content.

[@bradhensley7461]

Perhaps someday you will have to save the life of one of those haters using a gun that they criticized. Let's see what they say then.

[@TheOl1911]

LOL - i know... people get so bent about 1911s and revolvers. But more 1911 hate. Amazing. thanks!

[@oboyfishfly]

Pug is a dog from china lol