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[@gryzew]

Tomorrow on eBay: "Fender USA Telecaster, bargain price, perfect finish condition but might require setup".

[@runnningonempty]

SOLD!!!

[@AnthonyBurrito1313]

HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

[@bleikrsound6127]

Ha Yea

[@blackwolf8044]

Hey Dave. I really enjoy your show. Thx for the. Good advice. It helps a lot of folks I'm sure thx brother

[@GuitarNTabs]

I ran into same type of problem, when I recently restored an old Teisco Spectrum 4 guitar... The neck had a severe back-bow, and the truss rod was doing nothing.. loosened all the way off... I restored it... completely... I removed the frets, steamed out the inlays, sanded the board back straight (7.25" radius), re-inlayed the inlays, refretted the guitar, dressed the frets, beveled them, leveled them, crowned them and polished them. Turned out great, and the guitar is in excellent playing condition now! I had the time to do the job properly, and that's why I did it, but it's time consuming, that's for sure. The easy answer will always be to just get a new neck, but if the original neck is rescuable, then I would fight for it! Have a great weekend you all! Cheers 🍻

[@evanjolley1279]

severely gooched

[@GuitarNTabs]

@@evanjolley1279 - Haha, and yet it all turned out perfectly? 😂

[@evanjolley1279]

@@GuitarNTabs hahah amazing job, its so satisfying to fix things up

[@GuitarNTabs]

@@evanjolley1279 - Thanks! The proper tools did the trick! I agree, there's no better feeling! Cheers.

[@briano.5746]

I'll take it! My neighbors down the street just got a skid of necks delivered today. No joke ! I like the finish. Hope yer doin' good Dave. PEACE 🎸

[@stevenedwards4470]

Dave, if that has a skunk stripe and that round plug on the back, cant you sometimes drill out the heel and drop the truss rod and replace it? That would be an interesting thing to watch you try to do. Cut the guy a deal with a "maybe".

[@michaelbritton9778]

Wow what blow Dave like you said beautiful guitar

[@davidlawlor4317]

I had one and had to replace the neck. Truss was FUBAR. Got a Mexican fender neck brand new. It was all over the place though. I was straightening it and filing frets all day. Worked in the end though but what a pain.

[@michaelgass6607]

I have a 1999 almost exactly like it. I put a black pick guard on it , installed one of the newer three post fender bridges, and adjusted the micro tilt slightly and it plays like a dream! Too bad about the truss rod on that one

[@stratorarious]

I fixed my Strat ... same problem...it was hell...removed the plug replaced the stripped nut with a new one...re-glued the plug...been working ever since.

[@gryzew]

Nut is fine here, it's just the neck is too straight with string tension and the single action truss rod can't add relief.

[@mr7wi]

Warmouth seems like the beauty way to go

[@RobertELee420]

I had a tele that all of a sudden had high frets and buzz i found a crack in the heel that traveled inside the grain. Mighty Mite replacement was Michigan Maple with great birdseye and grain.

[@jeffreyprice773]

Keep us updated Dave on the outcome, cheers me dears.

[@jpguthrie6669]

I have gotten more than one guitar with a badly back-bowed neck. If the truss rod isn't broken, I set the neck in a metal neck-straightening fixture (otherwise known as a folding metal chair), attach a motorcycle strap to pull the neck to a more bowed position (with the truss rod loosened, of course), apply heat via a small camp stove for an hour or so, then turn off the heat and wait until the neck is room temperature. Voila, the neck has enough bow to work with.

[@chriscullen6949]

jp guthrie can you build boats too

[@jimfromoh8944]

@@chriscullen6949 Lol. The Strat-o-Craft.

[@eddgong]

Ive watched many of your vids and I enjoy them and have learned a couple of things along the way perhaps I can share a couple of ideas that Ive used to correct the same issue (that is a truss rod with the nut slacked completely off and still the neck was too straight or had a slight reverse bow , , I bought an old LP copy for $20 , with a badly bowed neck plus a twist I used a moist tile wrapped around the neck then placed aq heating pad wrapped around the moist towel, set on highest temp , leaving it for a day or more if need be , using a windex bottle to moisten the towel every few hours , I WAS ABLE TO GET THE TWIST OUT ,THE BOW WAS A NO BRAINER .......TO PUT MORE BOW BACK INTO THE NECK i put 4 other old low E's and A's strings on the guitar , wound them tighter than A- 440 just guessing a whole step higher in tension actual pitch was no concern , the heavier ga. , plus the higher tension from over tuning those wound strings plus that same moist heat the neck bowed enough and stayed bowed so that the truss rod nut could do what it was supposed to do ,Another guitar with the same problem I used nylon twine the heavier construction type twine ,made a doubled loop around the headstock and the rear strap lock using a wooden pencil or anything straight and long enough to twist the looped now looped string tight enough so that the wood blocks can be inserted and held in place ( the length of the pencil or whatever used will easily hold itself against the guitar body or neck , like twisting a rubber band , ,inserting the wood blocks where you think they need to be , w3ith the now slightly tightened loop of string rest atop the wood blocks on the neck letting you tighten the loop ed string as much as you want , it wont break but twisting the looped nylon string until it forces the neck back into it's bowed shape by its tention pulling upwards on the head stock and the blocks of wood forcing the center area of the neck downwards until you get the neck to remain bowed when all the tension is relieved , it may take a little heat and moist towel but it has worked for me every single time for putting bow back into a neck . so the truss has something to work against , sometimes in less than an hour other times its taken an entire day to get the results and the results stay when the all tension is removed from the neck .....a lot cheaper than giving up on it and buying n expensive new neck btw the wooden blocks mention were just cut pieces of 1 x 4 board with about 2-3 inches of height to raise the the looped strings that you twisted

[@cvdevol]

AWESOME power chord at the beginning, Dave!

[@eddieprice6145]

I love my 1972 Fender Telecaster Custom. It is a walnut brown with a black pick guard. I think it only has two scratches. This one has the truss or the adjustable rod sticking out of the top of head. I still have the original Fender Case. It is funny that the guitar only costs 375.00 in 1972 and the Fender case cost 75.00 dollars. Now it is no wonder how much it is worth today in 2019. What would be your guess?

[@THEQueeferSutherland]

Leo thought of this...he made the necks pop right off so you could screw another one right on and keep going....$300 later, and it's like nothing happened.

[@engleharddinglefester4285]

I think in those days with one piece necks that was a good idea. I have a Warmoth one piece neck and it's flat but bent like a banana. (No I didn't buy it, it was a gift)

[@SArthur221]

put a set of 12s in standard tuning on it. see if that'll fix the neck xD

[@freedomination2]

See if Fender will replace it under warrantee!

[@allancopland1768]

Dave's Guitar Mortuary..... lol!

[@tomasotreasaigh111]

You got a like at 1minute. Keep up the good work Sir. Peace and music from Ireland mo chara.

[@BarqB]

"hello. Dave's Guitar Mortuary" Sure we offer several types of internment for your loved one"

[@stevehogan8829]

Yep, I had one like this... Nothing to do unless your Dan Erlewine and have all the tools you've never seen before.

[@JimsGuitarGarage]

What a shame, love the look of a natural finished Tele! When are the funeral services?

[@triplesevensix291]

If anyone can fix it then its you Dave. Better luck next time maestro. Have a boss weekend lad. ;)

[@POOKIE5592]

I like the natural/pearloid combination!

[@leoburke8466]

I'm not expecting anything, I'm just looking. Oh Dave.

[@ianmacdougall8812]

Strip the hardware off the neck clamp the neck with wood and clamps forming the curve you want in the right place. Put it in the oven at 120 F for 1 hour and the relief will come back. Take the clamps off after it cools. I have fixed many with this method. Don't back the truss rod off to fix a back bow or you will just pop the plug . Leave it in the nutral position before you put in oven.

[@engleharddinglefester4285]

Tune it way up so that it gets some relief and put a heat lamp on it to soften the glue between the neck and fingerboard. If that doesn't help try agina. If it's a one piece neck, pull the frets and plane it flat with a radiused sanding block and refret.

[@johnsimms3957]

Any idea how the nut got stripped? Oh and can the nut be replaced?

[@garyh.9115]

I’ve also heard you can use a hair dryer for heating the neck to straighten while you slowly clamp. **Dave let us know if you can do it** I also have a guitar in the same situation that I’d like to get straighten out. Cheers

[@jefferywarburton2116]

not a quick fix without some cash but not unfixable with some time. the wood grain could be a big part of the trouble if it is the problem it could be something that comes back after being fixed

[@KarlKarsnark]

Why not try to manually readjust the neck, the tighten the truss rod nut back down a bit? Although, given all the fret work and the need to fix the walnut plug, buying a new neck would probably be cheaper and easier.

[@WoodesosGuitarMods]

For all the noise people make about Gibson, I've seen more Fender's with this sort of problem and problems like this, that essentially render the guitar unplayable. I've also had to do more complete fret jobs to Fender's than any other guitar brand. Gibson's are the most reliable guitars I've personally owned and worked on but the internet loves to hate them;-)

[@hgdvl8811]

Same problem on some of my guitars, Damn single action truss rods

[@VashthStampeede]

Pull the frets, give it a 12 thou backbow, sand it level, refret with nickel or stainless and tighten the truss for proper neck relief.

[@bgilley8199]

Or just fix the truss rod?

[@bgilley8199]

@@DavesWorldofFunStuff again, I thought you said the truss rod was broken, and I didn't realize that only dual action truss rods can remove back bow. I did watch the vid all the way through, and I'm not questioning your knowledge, I enjoy your vids, and I'd trust you to work on my guitar anytime.

[@RH-xs8gz]

GOOCHED!!!

[@daleturner3507]

Warmth makes nice replacements.

[@johnf6288]

well the good news is mines coming up soon and my truss works LOL

[@robchalmers2512]

i look foward to all you movies a day in the life of dave reality show soon?

[@paulmiller9558]

What should be charged for a complete setup including fret leveling and neck shims and grunge cleaning? I am in california USA

[@ricklavigne4466]

What about tightening the truss rod a bit and doing a fret level and then loosing it back up ? Just a thought.

[@kengihepworth5761]

rick lavigne can work, good suggestion

[@ricklavigne4466]

@@DavesWorldofFunStuff It has worked for me. It just depends on how bad it is. It's a lot cheaper than replacing the neck.

[@whittington72]

No big deal.... time to get a new neck for that beautiful tele

[@stevenharrison488]

How sad what a lovely guitar oh well Peter Green . I cant help about thee shape I`m in.

[@tomgreenall3948]

put 11's on it tune to F# and put it in a closet for two or three months

[@mr7wi]

Tom Greenall and then put it on eBay

[@Legionosh]

Make it 13's

[@arleysimpson3678]

Soak the neck, string it with 15s, tune to G instead of F#, and leave it with a humidifier in a closet for 6 months... Then, maybe, it has a chance...

[@Twobarpsi]

That's actually a good idea!

[@Music10161]

I tried that once, then I stored that same guitar with 75 pounds of floor tile on the neck. Still back bowed. One person suggested heat, the neck twisted and popped the fretboard. Sometimes the neck is just fucked.

[@sailormike1089]

yeah warmoth tele style neck would be cheaper than a Fender unless thats what the owner wants.

[@54tristin]

Sailor Mike And more customizable

[@ThatGuy2042_]

I have a Warmoth neck on my Jaguar and the build quality is outstanding. The only downside really is if you want something non standard there is a long lead time, but they should have bundles of Tele necks in stock with common options that can ship immediately.

[@OGCDUBYA]

This must be an issue with tele necks I see them for sale all the time will new necks or warmouth necks

[@kengihepworth5761]

Why not take out one or two frets, where you want relief, file down the tang on the replacement frets? Works for me.

[@2na-phish]

Warmoth will make it a nice new one :-)

[@jameskrys5286]

Fender now sells replacement necks with a decal and everything.

[@2na-phish]

@@jameskrys5286 that's what the problem is. time for an upgrade.i did and never looked back. decals are cheap too.

[@mr7wi]

2naphish beauty way to go.

[@runnningonempty]

@@jameskrys5286 $500

[@UncleWiggy252]

Look. See, my MIM tele just got more valuable. You don't need that extra fret anyway. It's just there for show.

[@guitarsbymetaljay]

"It's not gonna make it" RIP Tele

[@williammiller1531]

Dan Erlewine could fix it...piece of cake for him.

[@stonephilips9361]

Can’t you remove the plug and replace the truss rod🤔

[@PeterDad60]

Dave I told you once before, maybe you missed it. This is the last time I will tell you how to adjust a neck when the truss rod does not work. Use heat, wood bends toward heat! If this one has too muck back bow, take the neck off and hold it over an electric stove burner, fret side down. Wood bends toward the heat source. Don't burn the wood! Take your time. Remember how they make the Middle Eastern Oud? The Oud has a body exactly like a Lute. They use heat and bend each piece of wood to a curved shape to build the body. HEAT! They have video's here on you tube showing how to bend wood using heat. Once bent it will not change shape, well unless you do the heat treatment again. You could have very easily have corrected the back bow of this neck using an eclectic stove top. This works, has been working for centuries. I used it to change the profile of my cheap ass Bullet Stratocaster several years ago because the truss rod never ever worked from when new. Now the neck on that guitar is correct! I saved it from the trash bin/fire place. People these day's are so caught up in technology that they don't 'effin think! Don't be too proud to use a centuries old technique to bend wood. Remember there is more than one way to skin a cat/solve a problem. Apply the heat in the exact middle of the bend, back bow. Do it in several treatments so as to not over do it and not to burn the wood. If you are too chicken, then just walk out into your yard and find any piece of dead wood on the ground not a 2x4 but a tree branch and it heat to bend it. If you are still worried then find a straight piece of wood of a somewhat similar size and thickness of a guitar neck and use heat to bend it. It's not rocket science, it's what a good Luther would do when an original design like a crapy truss rod fails, he uses an alternate method to bend the neck. -Pete

[@garyh.9115]

PeterDad60 I’ve also heard a Hair dryer works as well.

[@marshallweaver6899]

It's gooched Dave.

[@killercour]

0:31 Pre tuned form the factory? so its brand new? cant the guy just send it back if its faulty?

[@vladimirlopez7840]

Not sure why this can’t be fixed by removing to plug and getting glue on there so the truss rod functions properly.

[@timgroves3606]

what if you put 13s on it for a while? would that add the relief?

[@mr.v404]

heating this neck with specialized neck iron and bow it in a another direction would definitely work

[@daw162]

Unless it's heated to the point of torriefaction, there's a fair chance that it will go back. It could be stuffed in a jig for a couple of months and exposed to changing moisture and temperature (to give it bow instead of back bow), or frets pulled and hand planed. All of those things would probably cost about the same as a new neck (making a jig would be cheap, but I doubt a customer would want to wait a few months for a maybe).

[@philipodd3378]

another piece of firewood from Fender

[@wayneg296]

Sad!

[@bgilley8199]

I don't understand why the truss rod can't be replaced or fixed?

[@bgilley8199]

@@DavesWorldofFunStuffyou seem to be saying the truss rod nut is stripped, so I guess I'm confused. Normally a working truss rod can take out a backbow correct? Nevermind, this isn't a two way truss rod. I get it.

[@bgilley8199]

@@DavesWorldofFunStuff it's strange I never realized that a one way rod can't take out a backbow, and I've been working on my own guitars and watching repair vids like yours for years. I've been fortunate to never have a backbow on one of my guitars. Thanks for the reply and I'm glad I learned that, I could have ended up buying a guitar with a backbow thinking it just needed a simple truss rod adjustment.

[@bernardblood9447]

I thought you adjusted the truss rod from the other end .You gotta take the neck off

[@localcrew]

Like the veterinarian said - “I’m sorry Ma’am... Your beaver is dead.”

[@matthewwitmer380]

It's a Teledisaster!

Hello. City morgue, you stab 'em we slab 'em.

[@rickallen6378]

Dave, if you were to fix the guitar as you said, wouldn't you then never be able to adjust it later?

[@gryzew]

I think the idea is to glue the truss rod plug more securely, so when you unscrew the rod the pushing of the nut against the plug makes the rod work like a two way. Those walnut plugs are meant to be glued in anyway and you can just drill them out instead, Fender sells replacements for $10 or something.

[@stevelacombe5291]

🍋Pre-tuned from the factory.🍋

[@stevewarren4813]

I foresee a call to Warmoth in the future for a new neck.

[@bebenavole]

I like absolutely no relief in my necks . Why should that be a bad thing? on my guitars action is 15mm @ the 17th fret and no buzz. totally love your vids Dave. best

[@VashthStampeede]

At 15mm, no fret buzz is an understatement. Wow, 15mm! You could probably shoot an arrow with that thing and get no fret buzz.

[@bebenavole]

1.5mm :D

[@Twobarpsi]

Gooched! Again!!

[@jameskrys5286]

Are the truss rods that adjust at the heel less likely to strip?

[@malcolmhardwick4258]

James Krys depends on who's using the tools ☺

[@suspence25]

Great necks on eBay!

[@KozmykJ]

Can that work ? Tricking a one-way truss rod into believing that it's a two-way ? I've got to admit that I tried it on a guitar once; only to learn that it really WAS a two-way and I didn't need to worry .... Derp

[@MichaelBLive]

I have good luck removing the neck, clamping it in an opposing way to get the curve you want, pop it in the oven at a low temp (headstock out the door) for one hour.

[@mr7wi]

Michael B I can only imagine what the curve was on your street hockey stick, Eddy Shack!!!

[@75RWM]

Say it ain't so, Joe. (Oops, I mean, Dave.)

[@scarmyguitar]

Dave we would love to work with you

[@scarmyguitar]

@Carin Hall send us a video and we might

[@aquajew3000]

Could you put a negative shim in so it angles the neck down a little?

[@stevenharrison488]

Got UK question for players, in the 60`s KELLOGS ran a competion to win a Burns guitar if you remember, get back to me have something to tell you all. Sorry guys just got in bit pissed can`t remember how to spell competition .

[@channel8888]

Replace the truss rod. See Stewart MacDonald vids.

[@randytingle2416]

I would just get a New Mexi neck with a rosewood fingerboard

[@smasica]

So please explain for a dummy how a truss rod gets gooched. Do the threads holding on the nut get stripped? Does one end get pulled loose from being anchored so no tension is possible? Inquiring minds want to know.

[@gryzew]

Truss rod is fine, it's just a one-way rod so it can't do shit about back bow. Neck wood rarely gets warped into a backbow by itself as strings normally pull it the other way, but you can screw up a guitar like that if you remove the strings without loosening the rod (so it gets into a backbow as the rod is working but the strings are not) and keep it like that especially for a longer time. The more you keep a neck out of adjustment the more the wood gets used to that as its default position.

[@stephenhookings1985]

@@gryzew - and doing the reverse? Could that cure it? I presume the big issue is getting the anti-bend to follow exact same path as bend else it will become twisted or some sort of S/Z bend. As others said- get a new neck and try to avoid angering the new one. Or try a cheap Telecaster (like the SX I got recently). If that foobar I can BBQ with it and get another guitar.

[@stevejones4275]

Load it with 6 bass strings. Tighten it to hell. Leave it 12 month. Good as new.

[@roytofilovski9530]

I'd try putting a thin shim under the nut and try that. 4 thou neck relief might be ok if the first fret action is dealt with. However, a new neck would be the better solution obviously.

[@gryzew]

I think an extra spacer under the nut is a thing you might do when you have too much relief (forward bow) for the truss rod to correct. It won't do shit with a single action truss rod and back bow. But in any case I would still prefer to do what Dave often does, meaning: correct the curve with clamps and then tighten the rod without any extra spacer involved. When you try to straighten a very bent neck just with the rod you're only risking breaking it.

[@gryzew]

Oh you meant the nut as in what strings lay on, not the truss rod not. Well that is fine if you want to play slide on it. ;) Or just string it with 13s and work through the pain like a man. ;)

[@roytofilovski9530]

@@gryzew It looked like Dave was somehow able to get rid of the back now and get the neck to 4 thou relief - meaning the back now went away. He likes 8 to 12 thou relief, but I think 4 thou could work so long as the first fret action was raised thru a higher nut.

[@roytofilovski9530]

@@gryzew Raise the nut by about 20 thou, cut the nut grooves deeper by about 10 thou, and it might work. But a new neck is obviously the better route.

[@gryzew]

@@roytofilovski9530 meh, then winter comes, the air gets dry, suddenly you've got backbow again with strings on. It needs to be within expected adjustability range to be a reliable instrument rather than having it barely there and dutifully saying a daily prayer that it stays there. "Hobbyist" fixes (ie. clamp it, heat it, leave it) are fine to try as they mainly cost time and don't require much skill and precision as long as you know what you're doing enough to not damage the finish etc. But it's a coin toss, it might go back to being backbowed. "Proper" fix would only be "invasive surgery" type of luthiery, relevel the fretboard, or if it's a two piece unglue the fretboard, level the neck wood and reglue the fretboard, even install carbon fibre rods to hold it where you want it, fix or redo the finish after all that - so just by the sound of it it's usually cheaper to just find a replacement neck than pay for that kind of work.

[@jackpalczynski7884]

You know how to do the weight on the center, support both ends and heat cycle. It does work. Perfect guitar to buy for pennies on the dollar and fix for $0.

[@runnningonempty]

I CLAMP THOSE NECKS DOWN FOR A WEEK TO GET RELIEF...

[@runnningonempty]

LOL...I JUST CLAMPED DOWN A TELECASTER NECK TODAY..I WISH WE COULD SHARE PICS N THE COMMENTS..

[@the-creech4790]

😢

[@retiresoon5639]

Throw some 13's on it and tune it up for a few months.

[@SeanKerns]

Bummer.

[@stevebumstead9840]

New neck.

[@mattz1686]

Put on some 13-72 strings for a while

[@michaelpond6386]

Bolt on a used Gretzky hockey stick

[@mr7wi]

Michael Pond Gretzky had a curve way less than this banana

[@Twobarpsi]

Too valuable!

[@stevenkritzer6020]

SRV special

[@vynleshmynle7372]

Buy a new neck ? Pay the guy the $25.00 for the guitar set up and run like hell.

[@timothymckane6362]

Saddecaster guitar.

[@codyburgess7034]

The reason I only own bolt ons

[@Wildman9]

Get a used neck on fleabay or On reverbage,sure he can find something .👍🎸✌🔌

[@Wildman9]

@@DavesWorldofFunStuff Dam,I have a Tele neck,but it has a rosewood fingerboard.Hahaha.Hey man look at that piece of wood in the fire it looks like a guitar,it is my guitar Dam.🎙🎸👍

[@evertthebassist]

Get a Warmoth replacement

[@joshualoveless20]

If the neck is straight and there is next to no buzz down the neck. RAISE THE BRIDGE AND SADDLE HEIGHT OF THE STRINGS!. If its a reverse bow then yeah, replace the neck. Dont mess around with the plug B.S.

[@thedoc1210]

philosophy and guitar repair.........what's not to like

[@TheNeonRabbit]

Such is life