Sage's Stacking Double DoT REMOVED! [FFXIV 7.0 Dawntrail]

[@ColeEvyx]

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[@kataku8609]

I think you forgot Broil...

[@bharbarawyrstwaemasyn8741]

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[@BloodKitten_]

@@bharbarawyrstwaemasyn8741 Verraise!

[@marchabel8880]

And yay no new tier of anything so heres to another 2 years of looking at Broil IV. But heres a new AoE healing gcd upgrade? I swear they do these things to intentionally piss off the player base

[@yanipheonu]

Don't have to Broil or Glare Spam if you just don't play healer *taps head*

[@larcgrumbles9529]

I don't shop for cash shop items. But, if they let me purchase HW or StB versions of SCH and AST to play, I just might.

[@closotezuka]

yeah cause the +1 button in st made it so much better omg

[@michaelj531]

They gave us a glimmer of happiness just to take it in front of our eyes

[@Jahkrel]

The reason u maybe not see seraph in dungeons is because they are so easy to heal if u you use everything else properly that u don't even get to that cooldown. You also would probably need the tank to be a darkknight as well to meet the criteria. I'm lucky if I need to use expediant for mit.

[@deuceex1492]

Something like a discipline priest in WoW where we have a healer class that heals with damage dealt

[@oonue]

In the footage from the media tour I only ever saw one of the DoTs up at the same time and assumed they didn't stack.

[@MisteRRYouTuby]

And you wonder why Healers are on strike…

[@stormkeeper1741]

Are they though? Cause I know a lot of healers are still planning on maining healer and playing it in roulettes.

[@MisteRRYouTuby]

@@stormkeeper1741 Playing healers doesn’t necessarily mean Healing OTHER players…

[@SubduedRadical]

Strike? I'm not on strike, nor anyone I know that's also healing OTHER players. I've been running roulettes as healers, other than the first new dungeon. And THAT was because the healer que was not instant but the DPS que WAS instant.

[@lolleonlolable]

i think ur not understanding the point, we dont want more dps buttens we want to HARDCAST HEALS, like a real healer you know?

[@warrenmonego1179]

So I am only sch that uses GCD heals?

[@lukahcasshe6197]

@@warrenmonego1179 Basically. You're not wrong to use them, but SCH has so many oGCDs that you can easily do all most content without pressing any GCD heals. The only GCD I really use is Adlo for that fat critlo spread when I pop recitation and diplo.

[@SubduedRadical]

I'm with you, but I'll point out no one speaks for all healers. Tons out there are insisting it HAS to be DPS and they don't actually like or want to cast GCD heals. Yeah, doesn't make sense to me, either.

[@lukahcasshe6197]

@@SubduedRadical Once again slowly finding common ground with you. Agreed- no one speaks for all healers, and it's a highly individualized experience. At the end of the day, if you clear the content you're doing your job just fine. I want healers to be more fun, not more optimized. Optimizing them isn't bad, sure, but it's a game- I'm there for the fun.

[@shirox11]

Not surprised. Does it suck? Yes, but their was always very little chance of the dot stacking making it to the live build.

[@ColeEvyx]

:(

[@SubduedRadical]

While true, and I don't like DPS rotations on healers and was already going to give up SGE anyway, it is kinda silly to me they changed it unless they're worried about too many debuffs on bosses. It was like a 40 potency gain per 30 seconds (80 per minute). To put that in perspective, for a 12 minute fight, it'd be the equivalent of like 3.5-4 more Dosis casts. They could have left it in and it would have basically no negative impacts to do so. Again, unless they're worried about debuffs somehow.

[@AjaniGoldmaneFFXIV]

A fun and more unique damage rotation for a healer? Not in my final fantasy 14 - devs.

[@loomingdeath1758]

Ah ha so u guys do want to out damage dps XD i knew it

[@MelvaCross]

I just told my static that I'm not playing Sage. I was so incredibly hyped to finally have something to do in non-savage content. Be it as little as having to keep up a second DoT.

[@MrCarlWax]

So pressing 2 dots every 30s instead of 1 was a meaningfull difference?

[@Kisuzume]

​@MrCarlWax it's something. Lol.

[@itzyblitzy7013]

@@MrCarlWax it was a 100% increase of complexity. That is very sizeable.

[@xxJing]

If enough people did the strike then it would work. Theoretically if enough people stopped playing healer then duty finder would stop functioning, party finder would stop functioning, and the multiplayer PvE portion of the game would die forcing them to either fix healers or allow the game to function without healers. The funny thing is that a lot of the content in FF14 doesn't really need healers naturally but rather it's built to specifically have healer checks. Like in EverQuest for instance, healers were put in place to solve a problem. Damage needs to be unavoidable due to the nature of the infrastructure, how do we mitigate that? Add people who can heal unavoidable damage. In FF14 it's the opposite, the job doesn't exist to fix the problem. It's the problem that exists to justify the existence of the job.

[@Bigalinbklyn83]

Oh let’s cry and ruin the game for everyone! I hope they just take healers out of the game then

[@xxJing]

@@Bigalinbklyn83 Well, let's say hypothetically healers were bad to the point where it was just not fun for anyone to play a healer. Who is justified then for requiring someone else to play a healer just so they can have fun playing a tank or DPS? I'm not saying that people should demand that others don't play healers, if that's what the others enjoy doing. I'm saying that if healers were bad to the point where enough people just decided "I'm not playing a healer" then core functions of the game would stop functioning and they would be forced to address it. Right now their philosophy is "we don't want healing to be intimidating" and that's pretty much all.

[@zaeynnezameel989]

My friend completed a dungeon the other day without a Tank. I say we all should start a #TankStrike cause that shouldn't be possible. :(

[@CL-jq1xs]

​@@xxJingbut that isn't the case now or will ever be. There will always be healer players. Heck guess why summoner is the most played class right after they dumbed it all the way down to it's current state. You have to know that people are having fun doing 1 button rotation in WoW classic whether it be dps, tank or healer.

[@SubduedRadical]

Maybe...but the fact is, a lot of people don't know it exists, and a lot of people don't agree with it, either. I don't think MSQ content should ever be hard, and all roles are and have been redundant in it since SB or HW. You could no healer or no tank those, and you've been able to run MSQ content with no DPS (no enrages) since ARR. Many of us also like playing healers as they are now, and most MSQ can now be done with Trusts, meaning the strike would only affect pre-mades - ironically, people doing Savages and Ultimates. Meaning the only content where you actually have to work as a healer would be the only content where no one could progress or get healers...which would lead the Devs to the conclusion healing must be too hard in Savage/Ultimates. So even if you got the strike to work, it would probably reduce the exact opposite outcome from what you want.

[@HeftyLion]

I see only two realistic fixes they can do cause of button bloat (that really doesn't even need to be there for healers.) 1: Make healers heal more and need to actually use their 34209489032482 healing cooldowns so the need to have extra DPS buttons doesn't feel like it is needed. 2: Start rolling some of these cooldowns into each other or flat out removing them so healers get more DPS buttons. My big problem with healing in FF14 (and WoW now tbh) is you are just a mini DPS that heals during x/y/z mechanic. Most people who play healer play it cause they want to heal. So they need to either lean into that, or lean more into being mini DPS that pops OGC cooldowns/heals and consolidate buttons and give more damage buttons. What I strong disagree with is just adding more buttons ontop of what is already there. Especially as someone who plays astro and already has over 40 buttons and 4-5 of them I don't even touch unless doing savage or ultimates.

[@alexmaganda5827]

they literally implemented a feature that fixxes the button bloat button bloat would not be an issue controller player here btw 0 issues on any job

[@closotezuka]

they do have content that makes healers heal more and use their multiple cooldowns its called savage raids hope this helps

[@HeftyLion]

@@closotezuka I'm glad you lack the ability to read, cause I already said that.

[@Castersvarog]

⁠@@closotezukacongrats, you’ve brought up a grand total of 4% of the games content. The other 95% of the game content clearly deserves nothing fun, go be bored in roulettes./s

[@closotezuka]

@@Castersvarog i dunno about you but ive spent 99% of my time over the past 2 years doing that 4% of content. you should try it some time. and trust me you dont want savage level damage in your normal mode content. you just dont. good luck healing that in pf when you have 0 mana from raising people unable to do the watered down, predictible mechanics.

[@Giggahurts]

Man this really does feel like Yoshi-P just saying "Hey! No fun allowed!".

[@israelquiles9127]

No, it doesn't.

[@zugetzuzu]

100%. Yoshi-P also famously said that they didn't have a dedicated healer designer, so it's no wonder that without someone who listens to healers complaints and understands the role that they would remove a slight damage increase because "to hard for my weetwe 0 pawsing samwai"

[@StormierNik]

Bro acting like putting two dots is fun

[@xL0stKIlah]

Look what they did to monk

[@xL0stKIlah]

@@StormierNik is. More things to manage is called engagement

[@Axel-kk7fr]

Hey king, so sorry to hear about everything going on with you, we appreciate you putting out content but please take care of yourself

[@eolendes6432]

"It could be better." That's the tragic thing. It *was* better. At least in terms of filler dps kits, we had way more stuff to do. Much more engaging. We're trapped between the "well, only 1% top raiders want complexity back" and "actually the 1% top raiders demanded DPS kits to be pruned and simplified". I don't understand how we get both "you have to do hard content to enjoy healing" and "only the people that do hard content want more dps buttons". What argument is left for us?

[@ColeEvyx]

Sorry if I sound rough, been crying all day but trying to push out this video cause I know ppl want me to comment and no I wish that this was the reason lol going through some real stuff cheating fiance and stuff I don't even have the strength to type out the hell I'm being put through again. I'm hjust so worn down. I'll never be engaged again or married again I'm unlovable garbage and I'll never be loved again and I give tf up. I had eerything a home and everything planned and shit the pain I'm going through is unbelievable nope can't cope

[@AjaniGoldmaneFFXIV]

Well thanks for posting a video, but if you need to relax, I as a viewer wouldn't want you to stress yourself out with making content. Your not unloveable. And I'm sorry that your going through it.

[@KieronWolf]

Hey man. Shitty people prey on those who got a lot of love to give. I don't want you to take this the wrong way, people who have plenty of love to give are easier to manipulate and take advantage of and its fuckin evil. It really sucks but you'll get through it and you got a bunch time to find love again. Take care of yourself.

[@GazGoodtime]

Bro been there have the t-shirt, I had home and everthing also and lost it all, trust me it gets better prob doesnt seem like it at this mo but it does. Stay strong bro 👍

[@gentianae]

All the best to you, going through this pain will only make you stronger. ❤

[@seanedwards2857]

Cole (sorry if that's not your first name), this is just coming from someone in England, with two kids who love playing FF with their Dad, and we love your videos, but please don't force anything at the moment. I've been through a relationship in which it all was taken from me in a second, 10 years etc. Believe me, it will be hard right now and you will feel everything but it's very important that you don't drown yourself in the negative. You will be loved again, you will love again but in reality, you don't need that right now. What you need, is to realise that everything is now going to be on your terms, and you are going to evolve into the strongest possible edition of yourself you could've never imagined yesterday. That's what's to come for now, and it will take time. How long? Who knows, you will one day. Do not look back. Take the good and move forward. Look after yourself first and foremost, that will be new for you as it was for me. Be selfish. That'll be good for you. Your content is fab. Thanks for all your do. Take care, Sean x

[@elixer88]

As a "Healer Main", I agree. Pressing 1 all day is just... Not fun. Near the end of my EW days I found myself playing Healer less and less, and thus far in DT I've only used SGE to take turns getting quick queues with a buddy. PCT probably influenced that though, as it is actually FUN to play. The "Healer Strike" overall IMO is pretty dumb, but they make some points. Healers aren't unnecessary, they just have nothing to do but press 1 and their Healing buttons. You not seeing SCH press their other buttons is kinda sad. Those sorta people complaining can hush, since they are already not pressing all their buttons. Sure, it's just more healing buttons, but pressing more buttons is infinitely better than pressing ONE button. I wouldn't be surprised if I end up shifting from a Healer Main to something else, while only having Healer/Tank when one is necessary. Might be different when actually progging, but we'll see.

[@tangentkatz]

DPS players: Healers shouldn't complain. Meanwhile, BLM players right now: everything is awful and my game is ruined!!!!

[@katherinemerkel3505]

😂

[@jaquanepatterson2537]

Mmmmm, I just pray Yoshi word on next expac job identity changes makes them satisfactory.

[@icefyer2]

What job identity changes? And that's an entire expansion away?

[@ozmintheobserver]

So dumb that it has to take 2 years for that to happen.

[@PuyochaGaming]

I agree. Healer does feel dumb down in lower difficulty and should have some thing better to make the kit more engaging. But I think just because high-end players can do crazy stuff doesn't mean the rest of the player base can do the same, I think that is a bad faith argument. And the crux of the problem lies in the player's willingness to improve their skill, along with their tool kit. Hence why tutorial maybe needed, but in my opinion, the "you don't pay my sub" thing...is still going to be a big issue for balancing this exact issue. I can already see that someone telling a long time healer to use a certain skill that isn't on their bar... And it would become toxic really quickly even if asked politely ...sigh. Good vid as always, Dawntrail launching in an hour, wish the best time for everyone~!

[@mismismism]

I can only hope they weren't just throwing around PR speak when they said that combat mechanics got overhauled so we actually have something to do other than 1 button spam most of the fights this expansion. It's not fun, it's so frustrating seeing people that don't even play healer, dismiss the strike, healers are frustrated for good reason, it's so boring in the majority of content in the game right now.

[@SubduedRadical]

A lot of healers like healing in FFXIV right now. Not all of us are frustrated or bored. Heck, I did the first trial tonight as healer and was using a lot of my CDs because of all the damage and deaths going on.

[@mismismism]

@@SubduedRadical And a lot of us are frustrated and don't like it and we have a right to voice our displeasure with the state of the role.

[@SheWolfVal]

Hang in there Cole!!! We ♥ you!

[@bookbagfox]

It's very important to FFXIV that healers don't enjoy the game.

[@Castersvarog]

Well obviously, they exist purely to fill dungeon queues and nothing else. /s

[@CL-jq1xs]

how many people actually don't enjoy it because of the dps rotation though? WoW classic players are enjoying their 1 button heal or dps rotation. Heck they even afk and auto attack to Regen mana.

[@xL0stKIlah]

They want you just healing :)

[@SubduedRadical]

What about all of us who are enjoying it while healing?

[@SubduedRadical]

@@CL-jq1xs Yeah, Wrath of the Lich King era, Holy Paladins basically used Beacon of Light on one tank, targeted the other, then spammed their Holy Light button for entire fights, with the rare reapplication of Judgement of Light if there were not already 2 Paladins in the raid group (25 man size). Vanilla WoW Hunters AUTO ATTACKED entire bosses in Molten Core because of agro management being wonky and the strict 8 debuff limit on bosses, and Hunter bleeds were not as important as essential debuffs. ...and people loved it!

[@fidoisherechaos535]

If we dont get changes to healers it'll be 6 years of hitting 1 damn button the majority of the time lol

[@currentlemon]

Losing the stackable DoTs before DT launch hurts, but that alone is not the reason why I don’t like SGE. The main thing that’s pushing me away is the Addersting / Toxikon mechanic. It just feels bad, having a cool looking move locked behind a GCD heal when the job’s strong oGCD heals cover its barrier / instant healing better. It’s hard for me to describe, but SGE just doesn’t feel all that great. I like WHM’s approach better.

[@the.artists.journey]

You know...I was a Healer since ARR...and when HW came, they took cleric stance away because ppl were complaining about that they don't play healer to make damage.... And this discussion went further and further.....and the result of it is: THIS! And personally....I saw that coming from miles away! Now Coincidence was here to help me in the form of Pictomancer. I felt stuck in being a healer because there was no other Job that made me excited to play. And healing....well...is healing in FF 😂 But the SECOND they revealed Pictomancer there was not a single millisecond of doubt that I finally gonna be able to break free from all of this. I really hope they will be able to fix all of this! My advice: Go back to the older FF days. Give healer more Damageskills and let them play along with everyone else. #backtoarr

[@stormkeeper1741]

no cleric stance though >.> screw that noise. Didn't make sense anyway.

[@the.artists.journey]

@@stormkeeper1741 okok....I agree with the Cleric stance 😂

[@cressposting]

We flipped out when they took away energy drain and they gave it back.

[@SubduedRadical]

Yes and no. They "gave back" a version that's negligible to use (3x ED per minute is ~ 1x Broil's worth of damage, 1.3 if you also use Dissipation on CD and all those AFs for ED), so for a 10 min fight, that's ~13 Broil's worth of damage, which is insignificant unless you're literally 0.1% wiping to enrages. They also removed the MP generation from it. It's more or less the most worthless incarnation possible for all the ink spilled over it.

[@Verdant_Flare]

The thing about healers needing more damage buttons is especially true when the lillies kinda show it's super possible even if it's not all of them, like give one or two more more options, let sage use their other resource for more than movement especially considering they can also use phlegma for that too, maybe give scholar a 50 or 100 spender for their faerie gauge even if it's not damage, maybe a buff and keep astro as the more buffing and anticipatory healer

[@TheBelugaoogway]

Glare glare glare glare glare glare glare glare glare glare glare glare glare glare glare glare glare glare glare glare glare glare glare glare

[@thomascranor2668]

We healers quietly asked for more for years, and now that we ask loudly we get shouted down.

[@SubduedRadical]

"We healers" - you don't speak for all of us.

[@therealpoponapo5375]

First one here:>

[@ColeEvyx]

Thank you for being here!

[@jademerrydown2943]

Calling the card system "Complex" For AST is fucking funny. I've played AST since HW and they've only dumbed it down since.

[@billy65bob]

One of my Super Cynical Predictions™ for SGE in DT was that they'd make Eukrasian Dosis/Dyskrasia both apply the same DoT to prevent stacking. Sad to see I was right in the end...

[@Coprbani]

In all honesty i think that all the people who are striking you too cole need to show how you want to have a job changed yeah the dot could've stayed but it isn't realy that impactful im a healer main myself and ultimate raider at that and i realy liked old astro and scholar but dont mind current ones but if some people have a problem with current healers moning and complaining achives nothing talk to eachother and decide on changes make a yt vid and just spread it not just aaa man healer bad yoshi fix you clearly dont like healers and all that (sorry for the wall of text im just flustrated with everyone that make this kind of videos also sorry for bad english not my primary language ^_^)

[@guitalex2005]

I don't know. I main AST and I got a new group DoT that I can only do after I use Divination, whereas Sage can refresh this if needed. I don't make any assumptions before launch. Remember how many people were complaining that all that Scholar got for Endwalker was the ability to run (Expedient)? They laughed, and laughed, and laughed, until the release of Savage where they had to nerf Expedient.

[@SubduedRadical]

Best part is, they've spent the last ~2.5 years trying to gaslight the rest of us into how they "new it was good all along".

[@Xilibrius]

Am I weird I always use excogitation that way I don't have to worry about actually healing the tank

[@alexmaganda5827]

ok that sucks

[@Ilandria.]

In my ideal world there's just more need to cast gcd healing/shielding/utility/support abilities. I'd rather there be more party damage so I can play the role of healer when I am playing a healer. DPS buttons should always be a minority of gameplay to me for healers; if they're not then there's something wrong with the game balance or design. I'd play a DPS class if I wanted to DPS primarily.

[@Ilandria.]

To clarify, I do want more enjoyable DPS rotations in healers too so that's a higher skill ceiling and just more to do during down time or whatnot. I just believe the number of GCD damage abilities cast per fight as a healer should almost always be MUCH lower than the number of GCD supportive abilities cast.

[@vandalrabbit2338]

If healers want something to do, y'all can start by healing me cause I'll be playing DRK. Should keep y'all busy

[@ssjtruncks90]

When it comes to dots didn't the devs say their aim was to remove most of them?

[@cjrecord]

Last few months of SCH in dungeons 70+, we're so far ahead of the gear score that I haven't needed excog or seraph. Dawn and Lustrate and Indom and Blessing are enough. Excog times out, overhealing, and Seraph would be a major overheal.

[@SubduedRadical]

The problem is, the abilities are designed for both people running min ilevel and those not, and designed for Savage/Ultimate content worth of damage. If they were not, that content would be impossible to heal. But any amount of healing that can work for those fights is necessarily going to be overkill for easy content. Yeah, a more aggressive ilevel sync can fix the first of those problems, but the second is a natural result of a game having high end content and low end content. The only alternative would be to intentionally make oGCDs weak so that high end content FORCED the use of GCD healing even when you had the best oGCD healing plan for the fight.

[@cjrecord]

@@SubduedRadical No, I fully agree. I was mostly responding to Cole's "why does no one use Excog or Seraph in EX dungeons?"

[@ConeyIslandKing]

When I wanna heal, I play WOW

[@bendonatier]

I feel like the best way to explain the healer DPS issue is ask someone to solo potd 51-60 on any healer, and then their job of choice. It's doable on any job, so it shouldn't really be a problem. Them remind them that no healer kit gets more interesting after that other than maybe sage and white mage. Now come DT we are getting more, but one to three extra keystrokes, most of which are off global, per two minutes is not the improvement many people think it is.

[@SubduedRadical]

I mean, I soloed to floor 100 on WHM and enjoyed it. /shrug

[@bendonatier]

@@SubduedRadical I'm glad you had fun, but the point is more in the contrast. White mage from a DPS stand point, pre end walker is functionally DPS complete at level 60 while most other jobs aren't (I know lily optimization is a thing, not the point). It shows the staggering gap between healers and any other role. How much they all grow, even tanks, from a DPS rotation perspective, while healers just don't. Two buttons, and a third that's a bit more unique per job. Maybe a raid buff if you're lucky.

[@SubduedRadical]

@@bendonatier I LIKE that. It's a healer Job, not a DPS Job. It's not supposed to be constantly advancing in DPS complexity, it's supposed to be advancing in HEALING complexity. I don't understand why people don't understand why folks like me are okay with this. Honestly, I've long felt every Job should have a core rotation by level 50 anyway. WAR, for example, is nice because the rotation ad 50 is basically the same as the rotation at 89. It bugs me on PLD that this ISN'T the case, and likewise, even having a similar core rotation, NIN's was not because Armor Crush (for Huton maintenance) wasn't gained until the HW levels. DPS Jobs are a bit different, because their thing is DPS - they don't get things like healing or defensive abilities - but even there, I feel like the core rotation should be set for muscle memory and other stuff just added to fill in gaps or oGCDs or the like. It's one thing I dislike about many DPS Jobs in this game which change significantly above level 50 or 60. So the very thing you WANT is the very thing I HATE. So forgive me for not wanting it for the role/Jobs I play. Because that would make me hate combat in the game as much as you do. For the record, WHM grows essentially as much as WAR does, so this isn't some healer only thing anyway. The Tanks are more of a mixed bag, though. PLD is effectively DPS complete by level 80 (end of ShB), and that's only because it gets Atonement so late. Level 76 is when PLD's end-game rotation is set. After that, you just press Confiteor once before the Holy Spirit spam at 80, then at 90 you just replace the three HS after Confiteor with pressing the Confiteor button 3 more times instead. And WHM isn't DPS feature complete until Misery, which is around the same level (not including the DT changes, of course). SMN has its core rotation more or less complete by level 30ish when it has all three Carbies, and at the latest, when it gets Baha. The only other change is at 86 when you swap out 3/4 Ruin IIIs for Slipstream and the Crimson combo taking up 3 more GCDs. In a DPS sense, Phoenix is functionally identical to Bahamut. And before you insist SMN is just easy mode, RDM is feature complete around level 60 when you get Manification. After that, the only things it gets in a rotation sense are that you press more buttons on the end of your combo (not a complicated thing, even the "keep mana slightly imbalanced" is hardly a rocket science change), and you just get Reprise (which you try to generally not use) and Acceleration (which is a change, but not to the core rotation or mechanics of the Job). RDM does change, but the core and main function of its rotation is complete at level 60, with the stuff after that mostly being minor tweaks. Yes yes, you can talk about Acceleration optimization or using Enchanted Reprise to keep the oGCDs synced properly, but since you discounted Lily optimization, that falls into that same category and can't be counted here, either. While some Jobs change significantly, even some DPS Jobs are rotation complete at level 60 or 70, as are some Tanks. SCH and SGE are probably the earliest healers, and they aren't DPS complete until 66 (Chain and Toxicon, though you could count Plegma for SGE...), WHM was 74 (Misery), but now is at whatever level Glare IV is learned, and AST is either by the time you get Lord or when you get Macro, depending on which you count.

[@SubduedRadical]

@@bendonatier Sorry for so many words, but I wanted to give you actual examples since if I just stated the argument, you'd probably say it's not justified so I'd have to explain it THEN anyway: 1) Many Jobs are DPS complete by level 60, and the majority by level 80. This includes Tanks like WAR (50) and PLD (76), as well as some DPS Jobs like RDM (60) and SMN (22 or 70, depending on if you count Emerald Carby or Baha). 2) The healer Jobs are about normal there, though WHM isn't complete until 74 (Lily play is essential to proper WHM rotation at high levels). 3) Many people who don't want DPS kits on healers and enjoy healing kits on healers (a position that shouldn't exactly be shocking to anyone - even if you personally think they aren't needed or used, that's irrelevant to what people want) like it this way, so what you want makes no sense to us, especially if you want it on all the healers, and would actually make us HATE IT MORE not enjoy it more.

[@25xxfrostxx]

Warriors do an incredibly low amount of damage compared to a GNB. Especially after the patch notes now. I do think healers should have a more engaging DPS toolkit though.

[@Xithryl]

I'm not aure i wouldn't have liked keeping 2 dots up less tbh.. but this does kinda suck, idk why i keep going back to healer 😂

[@DonaldTurner]

[@iResonate]

I played Whm for a bit back in SB and i instantly jumped off, because casting stone over and over was mind-numbing lol. Healers definitely need a damage rotation. Every class in the game should be able to deal damage imo.

[@SubduedRadical]

Healers had a damage rotation in SB... so clearly it was mind-numbing to you.

[@XonYon]

Heading to tank/dps queues with this one 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣

[@khmatrix]

Thats what I'm sayiiiin Why can't healers AT LEAST have their own 1/2/3 basic combo?! I don't wanna spam 1 button over and over during downtime 😭

[@Castersvarog]

Heck you don’t even need a 1-2-3, it just needs more spells to cast. Like WHM gets Water/Banish as a cooldown spell, SCH gets a couple of differently timed dots, AST could get damn near anything maybe something to help with weaving. SGE though could easily be given a 1-2-3, that would have been cool

[@SubduedRadical]

Not everyone wants a damage rotation. Some of us don't like playing DPS. Having one button to hit as filler is fine for us. It's like in Cataclysm for WoW where they made the spamnukes MP cost 0 (so you could actually use them). I remember playing Resto Druid then and it was nice when I had downtime to have a damage button I could spam (before then, MP was sometimes tight so you couldn't do it), but nothing complicated. I do think some 1-2-3 would be acceptable for SOME healer Jobs in some cases. Like I think SGE should have a slimmed down version of MCH's kit. 1-2-3 instant use weaponskills (use Dosis/D2/D3 animations for the three shots), a GCD attack (Plegma with 2 charges), an oGCD with 2 charges, and some damage CD like hypercharge that makes your GCD 1.5 sec so you can do the pew pew a little faster and resets the CD on your oGCD so you get that fast pace shooty laser thing every minute. Then you have Kardia and an AOE Kardia 60 sec CD you can use with the Hypercharge for boosted healing or save for other times. There you go. The DPS happy people can play that and leave the rest of us alone on our healers that we like NOT having a DPS rotation on.

[@mapledmike]

Hope you have an awesome DT launch Cole!!

[@lootmaster1337]

well this is disappointing to say the least

[@benoitrousseau4137]

I don't know if it's true but according to the forums the JP community was complaining about SGE possibly having to maintain 2 dots in Dawntrail... No, I don't get it either.

[@SubduedRadical]

Not everyone wants damage abilities/rotation. I don't. That said, I'd written off SGE as for the people that want that when they said they stack during the Media Tour. Figured you people that want to be DPSers could have it. 40 potency per 30 sec/80 potency per min isn't really even that significant. It's like less than half of ED optimization to maintain it, so I don't get why NOT to do it to throw you weird people wanting to be DPSers on healers a bone, but whatever.

[@SirLolawut]

so much crying and coping

[@antarath517]

"Just play DPS" is the "Just start a business" of ffxiv

[@The_Yukki]

Except switching to dps is as simple as putting on a different set of gear( provided you have one capped). Starting a business requires much more investment. False equivalence.

[@antarath517]

@@The_Yukki My comparison was not to the ease of it, but to two other factors: 1. The desirability of such a switch 2. The idea that it would cause massive issues for everyone to take this advice

[@SubduedRadical]

Not really. It's super easy to swap to a DPS, especially if you're SCH (you already have it at the same level AND it's super easy to learn and play if you're worried about having to take time to learn a rotation). And when what you want is what DPS Jobs offer - a DPS rotation, skill cap tied to DPS ability use (rather than other things like healing plans or oGCD use and situational awareness), and judging your performance and enjoyment by the use of such abilities - it's fair to point out you might prefer it better. Especially when tons of people DO like healing AS IT IS in FFXIV right now.

[@israelquiles9127]

Cmon you KNOW they weren't going to let you stack them forever. Cmon, Cole. Why are you trolling negativity for clicks and views?

[@antarath517]

WHM can honestly stay mostly as it is, idrc. If someone's a fan of the current design, they can have it in WHM AST can lose Synastry, Opposition, Intersection, Horoscope (it seems flavorful but it's pretty whatever in practice), and *maybe* Collective Unconscious. Give them some good damage buttons to replace. Don't remember SCH and SGE well enough to say what they can drop, but there's a fair amount they could replace. SGE in particular should have an intricate dps rotation held afloat by kardia and maybe even an aoe cooldown version of kardia.

[@SubduedRadical]

SGE would make sense. Give it a MCH-lite system. 1-2-3 weaponskills (instant cast so can weave oGCDs), a 2-3 charge GCD (Plegma already does this), a 30 sec oGCD attack like Ricochet with 2-3 charges, and then some 60 sec or gauge based CD like Hypercharge that makes their Weaponskills 1.5 sec cast and refresh the duration of the Ricochet. Finally, give it a short-ish CD AOE kardia, like 30 or 60 seconds with 10 second duration for party healing with 2 charges so they can keep one in reserve and use one during the burst phase if they need to heal (I since the oGCDs will be filled with Ricochets). Can even use the Dosis 1/2/3 animations for the three weaponskills. Super low hanging fruit here. Me personally, I don't like DPS rotations. I like WHM as it is other than it needs Plenary to have a Pro-Shell effect for the 10 sec duration as another mit. I mostly like SCH, though I wish they'd get rid of Dissipation and ED and they could combine some buttons like Fey Blessing and Whispering Dawn and just cut the CD or give them charges. AST I don't know enough about and don't care. And I don't like being a DPSer, so the SGE change isn't for me but could be for the people that want to be DPSers for whatever reason while playing a non-DPS role and just really wanting that for...god only knows why.

[@BorisTheGoose92]

I don't know why its too hard to not give us some version of melee 1-2-3 combos for healers. We aren't asking for much. We want a few more attack buttons. I feel like they are so afraid to give us more buttons because casting a GCD Heal may interrupt the combo and they want to avoid that...we don't press them anyway in most circumstances.

[@SubduedRadical]

Honestly, I feel like SGE should get MCH's kit. 1-2-3 base rotation, 1-2 GCD damage attacks (like Plegma and another one), and then some oGCD and a CD that makes their 1-2-3 faster and refreshes their oGCD like a simplified version of Hypercharge. Basically, take MCH's kit and cut it down by half, but all the attacks heal your Kardia target. Then have a 60 sec CD that makes your Kardia AOE for 10 seconds so you can use it to heal. The 1-2-3 animations could just be Dosis, Dosis II, and Dosis III. MCH's 1-2-3 aren't cast time, they're instant, so SGE could weave oGCD healing there, even during the Hypercharge-esque windows, and still would be doing healing through Kardia. Not sure it would work for other healers, but for SGE I've thought that would be a neat design. Dump the DoT, get a 1-2-3 + GCD Drill + oGCD Ricochet + Hypercharge-like damage CD. Wouldn't be too hard to implement that, I don't think.

[@SableBez]

I've been a healer for years. Gonna try going full viper. If I don't dig it I will sam.

[@MsBaseball19]

Why would yall WANT two DoTs. God damn

[@closotezuka]

seriously, why are you even a healer player? how did you just now realize that healers only have a handful of dps buttons? a cyclical rotation is not something mandatory to an mmo class. the early years of wow healers got by by precasting heals and jumping if the tank didnt take damage. this isnt why you, or anyone plays mmos. this is a made up problem by a noob that hasnt even cleared extreme yet. have faith in the fight design and expect to use the full extent of your kit in order to clear the upcoming savage and ultimate. if that isnt the case, complain then.

[@eolendes6432]

This is the third time we get the "just wait for the content" argument. I have zero confidence in the devs actually making us use our GCD healers to fill the dps GCDs.

[@fang4481]

Can't wait until you realize they did actually clear a savage and all groups of players -not only those who are necessarily casual players - can also agree with this take.

[@closotezuka]

@@eolendes6432 did you even heal pandaemonium?

[@closotezuka]

@@eolendes6432 did you even heal in pandaemonium? they literally have proven in this expansion that they are capable of making that content

[@closotezuka]

@@fang4481 the person who made the original post proposing the idea of the healer strike has not cleared an extreme.

[@sadmiqoxiv]

Quit then.

[@eolendes6432]

That's the point of the healer strike.

[@zaeynnezameel989]

Stop, PLEASE just stop. This is BEYOND ridiculous. When they introduced the SGE Double DoT everyone complained how SGE is now OP and the only Healer that will be run in dungeons raids 'cause its OP, now that they removed it, Y'all are complaining about how it was such a game changer and you are sad to see it got. THERE IS NO PLEASING YOU!

[@lukahcasshe6197]

Yeah now instead of every dungeon run having a sage they won't have a healer at all, lol

[@CL-jq1xs]

​@@lukahcasshe6197 doubt it. Tanks in dungeon doesn't use much mitigation in general. Healers are still certainly needed.

[@lukahcasshe6197]

@@CL-jq1xs I appreciate it, but I can attest that a tank that is able to read a single tooltip does not need a healer at all. And only healers have to deal with only being able to play well when their party members play badly.

[@SubduedRadical]

@@lukahcasshe6197 Every dungeon I've run so far has had a healer in it. My first run of the first one I went as DPS (SMN) since healer (SCH) had a que and SMN was instant. The "strike" has been an utter failure.

[@lukahcasshe6197]

@@SubduedRadical Your runs are going to have healers in them if you queue through DF, that's just how the game works. Though, I will respectfully disagree here. The strike has been a resounding success- the goal was never to impact queues. We have no reason to want to make anyone's gameplay experience worse, all we're doing is no longer playing a role we feel is no longer fun. The goal of the strike was to draw attention to the sad state of healers since it's been ignored for half a decade. In that, I would call it a resounding success before it even began. And as an aside, can people please stop putting strike in quotation marks when you bring it up? Like... we get it, you don't recognize it as legitimate, you don't agree with it, whatever. But we can understand that from the rest of the post too generally. It reads like you are doing finger quotes every time you say it like that.

[@saindst]

How about hit a heal? NGL this community is a bit dense. You are meant to be playing a healer, cast heals ffs. No one that raids in WoW complains about having to heal as a HEALER, because guess what? THEY ARE THERE TO HEAL!!! I hope they double down and make your casts last 3 seconds and remove the dots, so even levelling you just dungeon crawl. This community is the most insanely whiney and annoying of all games.

[@alexmaganda5827]

dude you sound either bad or idk you have tons of ogcds heals how dare healers demand a bit more dmg buttons to press smh

[@Sylphstone]

That is legitimately what some people want. But the amount of tools we have makes it so that 95% of the time we can use an OGCD to heal instead. So using a CGD heal is us choosing to be less useful/optimal than we could be.

[@bharbarawyrstwaemasyn8741]

They heal between pressing their dps, it's called hitting your ogcd heals. I'm curious how non-healers think they're being clever when they don't even understand the basic mechanics of healing in this game, lmfao.

[@karurosu4121]

not to be an ass but wow and ff14 aint the same stuff. ff14 relies that everyone does damage maybe not on casual content but if your healer aint helping in savages you can actually hit enrage and retry. Also i think its just fair wanting more buttons we can say the same for tanks why the fuck give them all those attack buttons when they are just supposed to hold the aggro especially on ff14 where you literally hold aggro by jist sneezing on the boss if your tank stance is on

[@bharbarawyrstwaemasyn8741]

@@karurosu4121 Stupid thing is, SE explicitly stated healers wouldn't be required to dps, but they STILL had to balance around the ones that optimized dps in raids. So at least make dpsing fun during down times.