Saints Row Is The Worst Game This Year...

[@SomeOrdinaryGamers]

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[@AppleDude828]

no

[@Mr.Miniguy]

SR2

[@Kremlin-Dusk]

yes

[@Dadallas805]

Ok

[@Magnumtro4933]

i was contemplating getting this game so thanks

[@unknownvariable9239]

Whenever a developer/publisher is attacking the fans, it’s a sign that tells me not to support the game. I don’t understand why they think they’ll sell millions of copies being disrespectful

[@longislandicedtea6323]

REALLY, like, have they NOT learned from the Ghostbusters 2016 debacle? Or from "The Last Jedi"? That attacking fans of a franchise for not liking the latest installment is virtually a DEATH SENTENCE for said installment?

[@NoShotTwoKill]

If their game was at least good I could understand a cocky attitude but this shitfest is completely embarrassing

[@coreycasciano3255]

Exactly

[@Damnation2man]

They pulled a TLOU2 move... which anyone with 1 singular braincell could have said was a bad (abysmal) move

[@MostDopeLarry]

Yup

[@lucafiorentini3396]

"we are not gonna use the same comedy of the old saints rows cause it could offend people" said the developers, without even realising their own game is what offends people

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

Beta cucked one might say?

[@acchre6465]

Go woke, get broke

[@TheSoCalledZoner1]

go woke get broke

[@oliverislost]

But it is the same comedy It's just making fun of stuff in 2022 What was cool in 2008 isn't What's cool now

[@lucafiorentini3396]

@@oliverislost ehm, no? Not at all? The writing is worse than a 2008 game, that is just wrong

[@honey3762]

The worst part about watching the cutscenes for me is that these voice actors are in no way terrible, they just have to deliver the worst dialouge and try to make it bearable. These voice actors could have spent their time working on a decent video game or show, I actually feel bad for them

[@AelaMusic]

Absolutely, in fact one of the characters is voiced by the English voice actor for the main character in the judgment series and is top tier at it. Hearing him go from one of the best video games I've ever played to hearing this really... Meh dialogue just felt so off.

[@FakeHeroFang]

@@AelaMusic ohh, that's why shirtless dumdum sounded familiar. Going from chad detective to a tiktok zoomer, that's rough but at least it's a paycheck.

[@draxerk]

aint this a direct quote from charlie's moist meter?

[@RichardPhillips1066]

I doubt they give a crap , no different from actors in shity shows

[@jackmehoff5541]

They got paid who cares

[@TheRazorHail]

It's like the gaming industry forgot how to make fun games...

[@quadjaysport]

Every game just wanna be like Fortnite nowadays… shit is ridiculous

[@kalebcanfield8139]

Go check out no man’s sky I’ve been enjoying it

[@meynut8292]

the AAA gaming industry forgot, the indie scene is where 99% of the fun games are now made

[@nikoraasu6929]

@@meynut8292 truth. I don't buy AAA games (except the ones that the devs deserve to get paid for like Elden Ring) and I buy many indie games

[@the757general2]

It's just soulless Western studios like Volition, EA, Activision, etc. Say what you want about Nintendo, but their games are always great and well polished. Same goes for Capcom, Konami (when they actually made games), and Namco. Japanese studios actually give a damn about their games being good.

[@sousuzumi]

Correction: It's the worst game this year so far. Developers always find ways to amaze us.

[@leileyaravencroft]

Agreed. There are still a little under four months left in the year. Still plenty of time.

[@DSLGamer95]

I wish X-Play bring back Golden Mullet of the year.

[@swagoneto7922]

Indeed the year is not over...There is some potential for failure.

[@LukiGames0]

I am curious why developers are so bad these times. I am working on an indie project with UE5 and i will be ashamed to release game in state like SR. I rather delay release than release unfinished game.

[@theotendleeey]

Haha good point!

[@iskeypxx]

devs getting angry at the fans is like going to your favorite pizza place and getting served with salad. then getting slapped by the waiter when you complained that it's not what you ordered.

[@jackson633]

Underrated post

[@nova_supreme8390]

Yeah. You should just be happy that you got anything in the first place. They are entitled to your money and whatever they give you is optional luxury.

[@Fxmbro]

This happened at a burger king to me. They gave me the wrong sandwich and the cashier snapped at me saying that people in Africa were starving.

[@TheBlackSpartan103]

@mr squiggles based

[@georgehandle5433]

exactly

[@backupschmliff1156]

It's almost a cliché for devs to be super pretentious about "dunking on the haters" only for their game to suck ass

[@gulox8241]

If they do that they know we know that they made hot pile of garbage but dont want to admit it.

[@crimsondynamo615]

One would think they would know better from the days of Phil Fish, but if anything the only thing they learned from him is being an annoying little twerp that hates their fanbase with open contempt.

[@vrclckd-zz3pv]

@@crimsondynamo615 To be fair with AAA games it's rarely the actual devs doing that. Studios have marketing teams running social media, the guy programming NPC behavior is too busy programming NPC behavior to be doing marketing. When a AAA game is bad it's almost ways the fault of executives interfering with the creative process and when game trailers are bad it's because of the marketing team.

[@fynkozari9271]

Yea Saints row devs, "we're not backing down, haters gonna hate", but they suck in the end. Another good franchise stained for good.

[@ProtoPropski]

Yup sounds about as common as it gets for basic a** game directors that just came outta garde school thinking they gotta an A on their SATs so they have nothing left to learn

[@Isukiri544]

As a long time Saints Row fan, this hurts. SR2 is one of my favorite games of all time and I love it even more than all GTA games combined. I wish the games would just go back to their roots.

[@MrWaifuTaker]

As someone who played through all the Saints Row games in late 2018 to early 2019, I was disgusted at how Volition treated their own fans and how they've destroyed their own creation. I hope they enjoy the massive failure they have now with no one else to blame.

[@rubykdc9829]

Idk what they did to their fans but IMO the game looked like it was gonna fail from the start

[@moreland_]

Ong even Agents of mayhem is better and that got bland quick.

[@NFSBeast2365]

I Agree!

[@moreland_]

@jstnfc Indeed😢

[@GangsterFrankensteinComputer]

It was a really dumb idea considering how unpopular the game series is.

[@billybob7135]

Remember, customers saw all these problems ahead of time and warned the creators. The creators then refused to fix anything-- they just attacked the buyers. Volition knew it was bad, and it didn't even try to make a decent game. Volition just wanted your money and expected you to give it away.

[@bongsilla8109]

It's their blatant narcissism that makes them fuck up everytime. As long as they treat their customers like amoeba, nothing will change. It's actually not that hard to make gamers happy. Just listen to them.. It will make the game better and gamers happier.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

after agents of mayhem you would think they would have learned by now

[@TurtleSauceGaming]

That's why they released on epic. Get as much hype as possible, get epic to give you a good sales guarantee number, and then dump a game that just barely avoids a lawsuit.

[@NEEDbacon]

@@TurtleSauceGaming Not even good sales numbers, EPIC foots most of the bill for the exclusivity so they don't even need to try. From my understanding of it at least.

[@TurtleSauceGaming]

@@NEEDbacon I'm sure some do try, and some end up outselling Epic's expectations and not getting any money. Like Borderlands 3 probably did well, but ultimately, this will end the launcher

[@scatterbrainart]

The idea that someone would start a criminal empire that murders hundreds of people and still remain beholden to student loan debt is beyond silly in a game full of nonsensical silliness.

[@Sammy_the_best_there_ever_was]

Yeah that is the most ridiculous part why are you paying your student loans if you're killing people you're willing to kill innocent people in cops what does it matter

[@curnott6051]

The thing is, that idea could have been funny if they just ran with some level of absurdity and didn't make it so "in your face". Like, your character takes a single painting class to unlock new car paint jobs? That costs $50,000 right there. Or take a metalworking class to get a gun upgrade? Well that's a $100,000, doesn't matter if you only took one or two classes. Have you character make a quip about how B.S that is before going off to rob a bank to pay it off, and that is it. You get a point across while telling a joke that has the potential to be semi-funny without over staying its welcome.

[@MasterLittica]

@@curnott6051 Presentation is almost as important as what is being presented, and the presentation on this seems to be dogshit

[@malbasedvalentine3210]

Sounds like a modern socialist’s fantasy.

[@sureyeah3678]

​@@curnott6051 even funnier is that it's a concept from a mid 00s game that they can't even apply

[@Orthane]

The writers in charge of this game should be permanently banned from ever working on any game ever again.

[@XDefinitive]

hollywood now is filled with this shit.

[@damagon647]

the truly sad part about this is that GTA 6 is still years away, this could have been the game that redefined Saints Row (as a reboot should) and have it finally step out of GTAs shadow while bringing in a new generation of fans and finally giving GTA and Rockstar some competition, but instead they decided to take zero risks and made the worst Saints Row game which will probably kill the series.

[@JerseyJake98]

I think Saints Row 3 made it an independent thing. Saints Row 1+2 were still just GTA clones but 3 made it have its own flair and personality

[@Shannonhittson]

Too bad GTA6 is gonna suck too. After all these years of waiting.

[@gabrielgiron4273]

@@Shannonhittson bold statement

[@Shannonhittson]

@@gabrielgiron4273 Yea, I know. Given the direction these fools have been going to appeal to this new generation and PC world we live in, I'm not very hopeful. Aiming for backlash would be the correct move. Pushing the envelope far enough to be able to back lawsuits like they did in the past. And not just sell out. The cash grab its gonna be would be alright then. Considering there would be a reason to pay for their lawsuits.

[@hafiyidzham9899]

@@Shannonhittson youre corny dude

[@decipher111]

Breaks my heart to not see this game get the love and detail this franchise deserved from its developers

[@dontreadmyprofilepicture270]

DONT READ MY USERNAME!!!

[@littlebeasty5839]

Damn these bots don't like ya.

[@coreycasciano3255]

@D.R fax

[@philiprodriguez5513]

@fours04 🇬🇧 AYO?!?

[@littlebeasty5839]

@Flare I'm surprised he didn't bring up their Twitter. Just a bunch of sjw.

[@freakinpayne7228]

Who knew telling your fans “haters gonna hate” isn’t a good idea when your franchise is middle of the pack at best

[@timthetoolmantaylor9048]

Reminds me of the time EA said if you don't like BF5 don't buy it, and so they didn't

[@mrbisshie]

I just wanted a remaster of Saints Row 2. Now the series is screwed. I remember being so damn hyped for a new Saints Row game, and then I seen the trailer...

[@ehan1507]

@Kavetion 🤓

[@Shiggy750]

@Kavetion suuure you are bud here’s a fresh baked cookie and a warm glass of milk 🥛 because you definitely deserve it

[@Kokodesuyoooo]

@Kavetion 🤡

[@SentinalV]

UTorrent, Piratebay, and other pirating sites: “Yeah, that’s a no for me dog. Not even worth getting this game illegally for free.”

[@webbedshadow2601]

I wonder if it'll be down to $5 at GameStop in a few months...

[@blk7747]

steamunlocked is the best website they update

[@cawashka]

not worth the wasted disc space

[@critical-thinker666]

It's fun for like a hour per day ... For free ofc 😏

[@Oscar4u69]

not worth the time to download it, even if takes minutes. looks like SR 2,3 & 4 are better

[@wallybong]

I spent the better part of an hour customizing my character, as I usually do when playing a game with a character creator- The next time I was loaded into the customizer, it bugged and exaggerated every feature of his face. And after that, every time I would try to fix it, it somehow got worse. I was literally sitting there with my mouth hung open in disbelief of what I was seeing. He went from a normal looking guy to Botox victim, to Shrek, to an Oblivion orc, to a Minecraft villager. Incredible. Needless to say I refunded.

[@NepuSoggyMango]

I encountered few bugs, such as my character standing up while I tried to blast helis with the apc turret, floating objects with no hit detection, this is only a few hours in, tomorrow, there will be no shortage of time, no shortage of bad reviews stopping me, and no shortage of high expectations leading to disappointing reception I know you understand

[@Psyopcyclops]

I could tell it was going to be garbage so luckily I never even bought it in the first place. I didn’t think it was going to be “Millennial TikTok Stereotype/Criminal Mastermind” bad though.

[@thesailingship7183]

HOLY SHIT YEAH, WHEN I TRIED THE BOSS FACTORY SOME FEATURES OF MY CHARACTER WOULD GET EXAGGERATED OR DULLED

[@d0gb1te]

Better luck than my friend had. About 45 minutes into character creation, his game crashed and he had to start over.

[@randomgameglitchesandunbox9115]

Unlucky not had any bugs yet

[@emeraldsvids]

Wow he seemed genuinely just over this game at the end. That “I’m out dude. I’m done.” The amount of dissatisfaction is indescribable almost

[@cubixman9676]

It's almost like he didn't like the game

[@I_quit_trolling_now]

I’m Better Than muta

[@John-X]

Just wanna say that this bland game is exactly what a politically correct culture produces. It offends no one, and pleases no one.

[@sonicguy1996]

The response those devs gave during the first trailer when fans of this franchise weren't happy with the direction of this game, that it wasn't very "Saints Row" like really rubbed me the wrong way. It's that kind of ignorance, neglect, and downright terrible business decisions to spit in the faces of fans that truly makes me happy this game flopped massively. You get what you fucking deserve!!!

[@rosietales]

They don't know that customer service also applies to the gaming industry, I bet almost none of those who act like this worked in customer service.

[@victormartinez4928]

Cue in Joker shooting the devs in the face. Sorry you said that last line and thats what popped into my head! XD

[@JerseyJake98]

I don't think its fair to blame the developers for something public relations did

[@mcgavinclapping9490]

@@JerseyJake98 developers were literally on twitter attacking critics

[@CrystalWings12]

@@mcgavinclapping9490 Ah yes, Twitter. *_A good place for some unhinged people_*

[@MarvinPowell1]

Things I've heard almost EVERY reviewer say about this game: "Buggy and characters spawn in the wrong spots." "Not funny and woke at times." "An AI trained on Twitter wrote this game." "The characters are all unlikeable and the worst written in gaming." "The gameplay is a downgraded, worse version of Saints Row the Third." "The gameplay is boring and the enemies are bullet sponges." "I couldn't finish the game and only made it 15 hours in." "The game becomes repetitive and boring after two hours." "The city is empty and lifeless; more so than any other open world game." "This game has more bugs than _A Bug's Life_ and should be criminal to sell for full price." "There's no non-licensed music in the game, so if you cut it off for streaming, there's no music in the game at all." "Saints Row 2 was the greatest of all time and this game is an embarrassment to the franchise." "This is the worst game of the year." Everyone is right.

[@powerstationw]

Bullet sponges? 😥 I thought we were past this 😔

[@awesomedesign7637]

Game breaking bugs are one thing, but to complain about characters not being interesting I mean come on, complaining about the “woke” aspect of the game, aren’t all fps games full of bullet sponges these days? Or am wrong or is this call of duty where people like to get shot once and then rage? The biggest thing against this game is it bugs, anything else mentioned by reviewers either got them triggered, bugs can be fixed bad présentions by developers on their part, but to review bomb a game based solely on it claiming to be “woke” is another thing, some of the things you mentioned here other reviewers mentioned complete opposites, the KZbinr also in this video seems to have jumped on the “hate” train to get more views lol, I can definitely call him out on that.

[@dpunkart1777]

@@awesomedesign7637 yeah. Imagine saying woke unironically

[@awesomedesign7637]

I mean just listen to this KZbinr in full, almost all his critiques are based on the writing, who buys a saints row game for the story? Look at the past 4 games all have gone from gangs to absolute ridiculous aliens that’s just saints row and you can tell either 1 people went in with the exception that we get a GTA like story.

[@MarvinPowell1]

@@awesomedesign7637 Just because you started at Saints Row 3, never played the first two, and enjoy Twitter writing, doesn't mean the rest of us are going to pay $60 for it. You can financially keep Volition afloat if you enjoy it so much, but the rest of us aren't so happy.

[@OMEGAMusic24]

guys, i miss the old day when games were getting progressively better and not dramatically worse

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

Perhaps games peaked in the 2010s and then all they could go from the top was down. Well that and another event that happened.

[@xXxpowerbagxXx]

because gamers will buy any garbage game and defend it Gamers are literally easy money to exploit

[@TheUltimateNavigator1]

This year's been pretty decent for gaming. Same with last year

[@MrDaves95]

If they still made games with passion and without the sole objective of supporting certain real life political messages, we'd still have great games. We just gotta wait for this fad to pass, since everyone of these shitty games eventually fails and hurts the company

[@NepuSoggyMango]

@@MrDaves95 what messages? The sjws? Gen z? I am in whole disbelief as to how this is happening, yes twitter but who exactly?

[@Rubycario-yt]

What absolutely fascinates me the most about SR22 is that both sides of the fence, those who say SR stopped being good after Saints 2 and those that enjoyed the ride despite the weird turns it kept taking from 3 onwards, both finally agree on something. Volition managed to disappoint OG fans, the "new age" SR fans, people who may have only played 1 game, and those who have never played a SR game. Volition made it very clear they didn't give a rat's ass about the 'legacy,' or whatever you want to call it, that Saints Row had. Looking at it I can't even tell who the target demographic is. I really wanted this game to succeed despite the prelaunch backlash because I love this series, but damn, this is really how the Saints die, isn't it?

[@sn-x-wt]

I love SR3 so much, but to me everything went downhill right after that - SR4 was supposed to be merely DLC for SR3, GOoH was supposed to be DLC for SR4. they're fun to a certain extent but strayed too far from what SR used to be. also, THQ going under, Agents of Mayhem being developed along with a new engine and selling not well, layoffs after its failure... I didn't have high expectations for SR2022 and it seems it might put a franchise on hold indefinitely. won't be surprised if it will.

[@ralkia]

You can't tell who the target demo is because there isn't one. Companies think that tHe KiDs will like garbage like this lol, they either did zero focus testing or just rolled with it because they knew the release would be awful

[@BigBeter]

Yes, because this is how every beloved franchise from back then chooses to die. They all planned a mass suicide by releasing absolute dogshit after another

[@TheZombie2415]

@@sn-x-wt SR4 is fun but it kind of lacks details but still an enjoyable one time experience. Likewise the writing of Reboot reminds me of BL3 writing. It's a literal garbage.

[@colonelkenpachi5009]

Death not In a blaze of glory, but as a fart in the wind. With Deadly silence.

[@leharvard3223]

The reboot: "how are we gonna make rent?!!" Meanwhile in SR2: we were beating homeless people to take back the church. (The boss in SR2 is an absolute psycho)

[@NepuSoggyMango]

What? Kill the landlord? Make it seem as though nobody owns it? I love you guys, out of touch, when I could fix shit up and make you hap- oh wait no your going to be pissed still

[@GrumbleGrimbus]

@@NepuSoggyMango But can you do that in the remake?

[@luisportillo6294]

It sounds like a pitch to another tenacious d movie

[@SoJackedTack]

Lmao!!! SR2 is still to this day my favorite. It was funny but also had a great story and some darker serious moments.

[@dishonoredundead]

@@SoJackedTack I think I'm the only person on the planet who enjoyed Saint's Row for being a gang crime gang. Not a 'haha funny random stuff' generator. I liked the first one too. I'm the only one who wanted a crime game with dark elements. But they deliver on the stupid, 'haha funny man make funny noise', goofy storyline, and no one likes that either. So I am really confused by it. I get why I don't like it, I don't get why people who wanted that don't like it.

[@dr.bishop8915]

Fun fact, in sr2, you can gamble in the casinos. Go to the casino you went to in the ronin mission and you can use the machines. Somehow a game from 2008 has more than one from 2022.

[@jarotheboar8398]

After years without a new saints row, this is what fans get, it's basically a spit, slap, and kick in the face to them, and treat their fans like filthy dogs, this studio or company gets what they deserve

[@I_quit_trolling_now]

I’m Better Than Muta

[@creatorsfreedom6734]

guess im off too playing Battlezone II and the Mech Assault

[@I_quit_trolling_now]

I’m Better Than muta

[@shawndorsch726]

@kavetion no u arent

[@badlyrosenthal5149]

@@shawndorsch726 he’s got disabilities, best to ignore it. he’s commented it a ton likely for attention lmao

[@009_Ghostly_Systematic]

Sad how even in Japan, ryu ga gotoku or the yakuza series, was able to incorporate a lot of these open world mini games, to the point that every alley you go can has a lot more and unexpected events to occur. This was done years ago, and yakuza 7 is literrally a huge open world RPG game filled with hidden questlines. They literally have leagues to surpass if they want to make a good game at this point and all you have to do is to add more.

[@billybob7135]

Yakuza became wackier, but it didn't lose sight of itself. The story is still a serious crime drama, even if Kiryu gets into wacky situations in his daily routine and everything is so over-the-top. The game respects him. It just tries to make everything feel impactful even if it is mundane (answering the phone). It tries to make the player feel powerful even if you can't cross a line (like throwing a transformer on a guy, but not actually killling him). It values the player's experience. Kiryu doesn't make cringe jokes before snapping a guy's neck to pay rent in a new town. In a way, it is like Saints Row 2 having a gritty story that makes you feel badass, but lets you have fun on side missions. Neither game grinds to a halt to offer mediocre "comedy" when you would rather be doing something else-- especially if it comes at the expense of the story. Even the reboot did it well. Ichiban is a goofy guy by nature, but he takes his job seriously and won't compromise it. He might still enjoy the little things and make light of the situation, but it is out of gratitude rather than trying to make him hip and irreverent. Even his friends respect the situation even if they try to remain hopeful (Adachu appreciates the irony of his situation, but he doesn't exist solely to quip). Yakuza: Like a Dragon has passion, something SR22 lacks. Again, it wants you to feel good. It wants you to feel like Ichiban's friend, and friends help each other in many ways. Imagine if Ichiban became a criminal because Tokyo's rent was expensive, not because he strives to be honorable like the man he admires. Imagine he almost dies for Arakawa because he needs to pay off his loans and is essentially a slave rather than returning the favor for his savior and striving to do right by others even if society deems his methods unorthodox. Now the game disregards your enjoyment just because the writer wanted to try... something.

[@nugsboodlepoo]

It's funny you mention Yakuza because I always thought that's the game the rebooted Saints Row should have looked to when designing the game. The Saints Row fan base is divided into two camps: the ones who like the more serious entries, SR1 and SR2 and the ones that like the more goofy entries, SR3 and SR4. Yakuza shows how you can make a game that would please both camps. It's one part serious crime drama and one part silly, over-the-top side activities. The stark contrast between these two things is what gives Yakuza such a strong identity and a strong identity is something Saints Row has always lacked.

[@Zerovin]

@@nugsboodlepoo it's also because the ryu ga gotoku team and Japanese developers as a whole have the balls to put in stuff that woke western developers wouldn't dare to any more. And this is the reason why I have given up on western made games save for a select few

[@jetla22]

Saints Row developers love removing content each game instead of keeping them and just adding each game. They been doing it since Saints Row 2.

[@Taneuma_563]

"Let people have fun". Yeah, let people have fun by *making a decent game* . I find it odd how there were so many great games in the age of hardware and size limitations, yet now the possibilities are endless, and developers put out totally crap games.

[@cosseybomb]

There's still limitations lmaaao

[@mello6311]

@@cosseybomb Way less than there used to be bruh. VR, 4K resolution, GPU's and CPU's that are getting better and better at handling bigger loads no problem, etc. The problem is, these devs keep misusing the tech being made available to them to make shitty remakes of older, better games (that were also made to look like kid's cartoons for some reason idk why modern devs do that) that had to deal with PS3 and *Xbox 360 specs*. Just because there are still limitations now doesn't make this okay.

[@godfrey4461]

@@mello6311 Way less. But its because gaming is so mainstream and profitable.

[@mello6311]

@@godfrey4461 It's only profitable now cuz people are used to getting the lowest common denominator games with maybe a few actually good releases once in a while. The modern gaming industry is as wide as an ocean but as deep as a puddle

[@StoutShako]

@@mello6311 Aptly put.

[@MisterGreis]

It kills me that the lead writer for this game was picked up for Beyond Good and Evil 2. Just, why? Why is failure rewarded in this industry?

[@omiorahman6283]

Mark of the beast lol

[@kameatacid]

noooooooo

[@nerovondoom6298]

Thats life. In every corporate structure, it rewards failure.

[@angel_of_rust]

I guess you could say, that is beyond evil, 2.

[@conormullins4900]

Considering how that game has been in purgatory for its entire existence, maybe it’s meant to be a punishment that prevents that writer from ever actually working on another game again

[@GothicFoxglove]

C'mon guys, most of us seen this coming since the first trailer was release

[@_lynxninja_4783]

This new Saints Row is an insult to the past Saint Row games.

[@Lamiishere]

Cringe af..

[@cin2110]

Yep it was obvious

[@Rayhan1649]

seeing the comments and videos back then, not all of us evidently lol

[@InfamousAeon]

A lot of people were shilling this game despite all the signs.

[@Blackreaper777]

"But have you played it" is the first line of defense. "I'm having fun" is the second. You got it right on the money right there.

[@friendlyfire2374]

Thats every game thats bad that people refuse to see. Using the cliche boring and lazy defense mechanism.

[@hamsterrwrld6767]

Or or or we know how to enjoy things and not spread hate like a bunch of insecure losers? Maybe pick up a controller and have fun instead of spewing bullshit on the internet

[@bruv7521]

For the first scenario If “Yes”; “Then stop playing it if you don’t like it” If “No”; “Then you don’t have the right to hate the game”

[@newdivide9882]

I’ve noticed that ever since TLOU2 came out, people have started acting like you HAVE to play a game in order to figure out if you like it or not… As if the internet doesn’t exist and that they’ve never looked up footage to judge a game by. Then again, these kinds of games are made for Twitter users, who don’t play video games and probably haven’t ever looked a game up before buying. It’s so goofy

[@TheNerevahkiin]

@@friendlyfire2374 There are no “bad games people refuse to see”, it’s just people having a different opinion than you. There’s no objective measure of good or bad. They don’t need to defend themselves for liking something. Even if I think the new Saints Row sucks, that isn’t a “true” statement no matter my own reasons for disliking it.

[@Zrs3820]

9:25 - 9:38 Another cool thing about the in game gambling system of GTA SA is that you could actually get in debt if you keep on losing badly in the casinos. Your money counter will turn red and negative and CJ will get some unqiue phone calls from a debt collector. He would call you 3 times on most occasion. First call is just a reminder, second call is a small warning and third call is a "friendly" visit from the debt collector's hit and run party. Never seen something like this in any other open world game where casinos are present.

[@tac0maus]

The funny thing about that is that Saints Row 1 (a game that came out in 2006, 16 years ago!) had this mechanic where if you got into debt, a debt collector would call you and give you warnings, then eventually send a hit squad out for you. Very similar to what GTA SA had. Things like this is really what made Saints Row great but to expect something like this in the reboot is like... nope. Never gonna happen. Volition have just completely disregarded all the open-world interactions that made the OG SR games the reason why they were so great.

[@Zrs3820]

@@tac0maus Damn that's cool. I've never played SR1 (played all the ones after it) so I might go give that one a try as well. Also screw the new higher ups at Volition for f**king up the SR series with this horrendous reboot!

[@mansoso3903]

Lol I literally downloaded this game, and my goodness I’ve never cringed so hard while playing a video game. This industry is really done imo.

[@Six-qr5kl]

look at rockstars track record tho

[@kinglift5611]

I think it all by design, They’re not-so slowly killing everything we love from movies to video games. One franchise at a time.

[@izzycoile5082]

It's all these companies hiring writers to make everything feel all gentrified

[@sebestein09]

only decent releases this year was dying light 2 and far cry 6 imo , i enjoyed both games

[@dlmoneysign]

@@Six-qr5kl you mustve been born in 2010

[@doomakarn]

You can just tell that he was genuinely hurt by this, this isn't just your ordinary failure.

[@I_quit_trolling_now]

I’m Better Than Muta

[@49531]

@@I_quit_trolling_now you are some ordinary failure

[@expose69420]

@@I_quit_trolling_now Okay bot

[@chiliflis8660]

Feels bad

[@Pastafari4]

Every day we stray further from Saints Row 2 .But that days would be this dark? I did not know

[@toufusoup]

“You’ve done less than Ubisoft” Jesus Christ Muta you murdered the game so hard JayStation’s gonna come back and do a 3AM video on it

[@Necromorph790]

Gat has been one of the best characters in gaming history in my eyes. He's been a fucking powerhouse and a joker through it all. The characters in this new saints, johnny would have broke their necks. Its just not the same as it should have been. Rebooting was the dangerous part, and honestly I would have prefered a remaster of the first 2

[@Thisisthegreatestatofalltime]

They’d ruin the games and make the older ones harder to acquire gta style. Be careful what you wish for.

[@NepuSoggyMango]

Source codes, does nobody understand THQ (not THQ Nordic, completely different) went bankrupt in 2013, how do you expect another Mike Watson to scour for SR1 source code, then re use it to make the PS3, Wii, and PC ports? Then use it again to make the remasters for PS5, XSX/XSS, and pc, add XB1 and PS4 if they can test how they fare against a graphically intense game like both remasters

[@_Livid_]

The reality is though, Gat and all the others were big losers. Younger people are more likely to join and/or form gangs. If you’re still trying to join gangs do gang activities at all you’re a loser, but especially if you’re older and still try to partake.

[@Peytons_Hairline]

@@NepuSoggyMango that source code argument died a while back

[@NepuSoggyMango]

@@Peytons_Hairline The first one i mean, yes they got the second games source code, go get the next one, is that so hard?

[@thedeepfriar745]

Apparently Volition fired any developer that dared to question the game’s direction

[@NorFam]

Thats the problem with people of today spinless. If everyone quit that company, they would've had no choice but to accept to listen and follow the devs goals for the game, those goals align with the fans needs and some wants.

[@dyykkarifin2454]

Seriously? That's fucked..

[@tallspy7150]

Dear big game devs. If you read this. Please know. Those older games that everyone looked at and loved. Didn't always have the best of everything. But what they had was love. Someone made a game that they loved. Graphics be damned. Game play... sure. But damn. I want to feel a game that feels like it was loved.

[@clockworkNate]

I still go back and play Saints Row 2... like absolutely awesome game still, soooo fun. Glad I didn't buy this reboot crap.

[@TheGabrielryu]

I agree 100%, to me, this is main problem with today's gaming (at least triple A gaming, indie devs are just as amazing as they always were) , I can forgive outdated graphics, outdated mechanics, and even some janky gameplay to an extent, what I can't forgive is souless bland experience that lacks any personality or any personal taste whatsoever

[@doctorfeelgood2670]

nobody is gonna read your comment lmfao, post this on a blog or some shit

[@ShadeSlayer1911]

@@clockworkNate I played the games in reverse. Started with 4, had some insane fun. Then played 3, had some more fun. Then played 2, and had the best fun in the franchise.

[@wumbobumbo9382]

If you have playstation or PC play Rollerdrome… the devs put a lot of love into it

[@unknownvariable9239]

I was afraid of this ever since I saw the first trailer. While Saints Row was always a bit ridiculous and corny, it knew that serious moments and comedy moments needed to be balanced. This seems trying to jump too far into the “lol so random, I’m so quirky” style of storytelling.

[@dontreadmyprofilepicture270]

DONT READ MY USERNAME!!!

[@slicer2938]

atleast the saints row's before had character and soul. there was even some really sad moments in saints row, but also comedic. i especially love the one where johnny gat is appearing in court for 300+ murders.

[@chance6296]

@fours04 🇬🇧 racist

[@PippyPopsSelfHarmMonica]

@@slicer2938 A still remember the scene where Johnny beats the shit out of shogo and shogo says "I didnt kill her!" as johnny then responds "you ordered it" right before burying him alive. Or the feeling i had when my boy Carlos was dragged on the pavement from the back of a truck and knowing i couldnt save him.

[@getwave8041]

​@@dontreadmyprofilepicture270 Don't worry! I didn't click on your channel, but I did report you.

[@rolo_swirl1440]

We should really implement a "worst game of the year" award. That way there's some incentive to at least make a mediocre game. The only sad part about it is that this award would be more competitive than all the others combined

[@tablettablete186]

Damm, that is actually a good idea!!!

[@TwistedDonners]

You'd have to have categories like worst fps,worst racing etc. and the overall worst game of the year come for the "winners" of the categories.

[@nagger8216]

Nah, I'll gladly take this cringefest over some mediocre shit like Halo Infinite's story

[@henkhenkste6076]

then only more of the budget gets wasted on buying off reviewers

[@DSLGamer95]

X-Play need to bring back Golden Mullet Awards.

[@xxprototypexx5056]

Fun fact: In the original saints row, they actually hired real life gangsters in order to perfectly simulate what a gangster would actually be like, one of the gangsters even got arrested during it's production that's how much they cared for the games authenticity. They devolved to being politically correct and woke and completely irrelevant for the sake of milking dying trends and failed spectacularly. serves them right, they wanna go woke? Then they should have prepared to go broke.

[@NCO643]

the problem with this game is not that it is "woke" or whatever you mean by that.

[@xxprototypexx5056]

@@NCO643 woke essentially means it was made for people who get offended by literally everything. Such as people who cry sexism after a harmless joke, or people who cry racism in historical games. Gangsters don't care about being offensive, they're gangsters. They do offensive shit all the time. So yes, woke is ruining the game. It's not the only thing, but it's definitely one of the main problems.

[@NCO643]

@@xxprototypexx5056 Saints Row flopped because it's a completely shallow open world with dated combat systems and unpolished game mechanics. Adding homophobic jokes to the game wouldn't have made it salvageable.

[@mellamojeff458]

@@NCO643 the story literally killed it aswell don't act like the story isn't the factor of their shitty game flopping badly

[@Seoul_Soldier]

​@@mellamojeff458 Saint's Row has never been known for well-crafted storytelling, it's known for bombastic characters and fun side activities. This game has neither. Even if this game had an Oscar worthy story the fact that it looks, sounds, and plays like shit would have kept it from succeeding. The "woke" story wasn't the problem, my guy but people like you want to blame that for EVERYTHING and it's getting old.

[@OrentholJames]

thank god i've adopted the " wait until the reviews come out" before purchasing any new game. it's kinda sad that we all have to to do homework to see if a game is worth our money.

[@machomanalexyt5736]

"I play games to get out of homework"

[@clockworkNate]

😁 Yup, I'm glad I did that as well. Saints row 2 is still one of my all time favorites but something about the reboot felt off since it was revealed. Feels good to not have fallen into the trap.

[@saladsnake8887]

good thing i pirate games so i dont have that problem

[@friendlyfire2374]

@@machomanalexyt5736 the statement he was making Is that we have to investigate a game before buying not literally doing homework 🙄

[@machomanalexyt5736]

@@friendlyfire2374 no shit sherlock

[@Sorrelhas]

Biggest takeaway from this video is that Left Alive was indeed a game that was released, and not a dream I had years ago

[@Ultimatora]

They could've acknowledged the fan concerns, say they're implementing them, fail to do that, and people would still support them. By shutting down fan concerns makes it irredeemable and closes that door.

[@diridibindy5704]

Yeah no. They replied to pretty much every fan concern saying that it is already in the game. The only "concern" they were mocking is the baseless claim that woke SJWs made the characters bad

[@naf8787]

@@diridibindy5704 can't fix shitty writing unless they rehash the story, and take a good look at how they responded to concern before the game was out. That should tell you all you need to know about these "developers."

[@cribacon]

@@diridibindy5704 Whether it was woke SJWs or not, the fact is that the characters are absolute garbage.

[@diridibindy5704]

@@naf8787 You have no idea if writing is shitty or not if you havent played the game Which concerns specifically are you talking about? They responded pretty well to concerns such as "will there be feature X" and "how will X work"

[@Shay_Mendez]

@@diridibindy5704 The dialogue is already available on multiple different youtube videos. It's whiny and annoying. Nothing like Saints Row from any game. It's soulless. It had nothing to do with SjW bullshit. It was whiny zoomer crap. Their response to the poor writing was "deal with it" "you're just a hater" "you're not a fan". Attacking the people who used to play the games.

[@TheManuelHayabusa]

These are bad times to be a gamer.

[@RM2011ish]

These are bad times to be alive in general.

[@NoName......]

@@RM2011ish Wait for rhe unenviable climate crisis that we could have stopped at any time but we looked the other way. Shitty video games won't seem so bad when your house is getting flooded

[@laboskie349]

@@RM2011ish And you're going to miss it

[@bluefalcon2866]

It’s because games are being made by shitty corporations now ran by old heads who don’t give a fuck about video games… years ago when games were actually fun, they were made by people and groups of people who were working on their passion projects and putting their blood sweat and tears into making an enjoyable game.. now it’s all about how much money these companies can make and how much they can milk out of their player base without offending anyone

[@orenz.272]

@@RM2011ish Yup. The 1940s were much better.

[@DannysMyNanny]

I very much enjoyed saints row 3 to death. Special place in my heart and good memories with the boys playing late at night. This shit just looks so soulless. Really looks like a video game that they show someone playing in the background of movies and TV shows.

[@blacklisted756]

Saints Row 3 was fun, but bruh, they screwed this up so bad, that the original Skyrim from 2010, had a better open world system than this game

[@meyes1098]

IMO sr3 was the good one. SR1 had no soul, it was basically a watered down gta clone. SR2 is where they started to hone in and refine the setting, characters and gameplay, but it still played like shit. SR3 is where they nailed the identity of the series and most of the most memorable scenes come from 3. It's IMO the best SR game. SR4 is a superhero game lol, and SR4GOOH is an arcade game xD

[@yabarber9285]

@@meyes1098 sr1 had no soul!?!?!? Your on your own with that

[@meyes1098]

@@yabarber9285 Yeah, sr1 is the closest thing we have to the mythical "gta clone".

[@d0gb1te]

Been a fan since the franchise began. I loved things about the first two games, but the Third was definitely the peak for the series.

[@NostalgiaNet8]

How do they mess this up so badly??? It boggles me, considering they made several Saints Row games in the past. Did they not look back on their other games? Saints Row 2 is still my favorite.

[@dontreadmyprofilepicture270]

DONT READ MY USERNAME!!!

[@Redacty]

@@dontreadmyprofilepicture270 ok u convinced me

[@l0lLorenzol0l]

Go woke go broke

[@undercovermonster]

i think another important thing to note here is that a good percentage of the people that worked on sr2 no longer work at volition, which is makes a lot of sense as to why this new one sucks so much ass

[@AmazingAutist]

@@l0lLorenzol0l what was woke about it

[@ZeroFighter]

From what I was able to dig up, before contract bonuses, hazard pay, and other sorts of additional compensation, the average PMC operator can expect on average to make between $38,000 in their first year on the low end of averages, up to $90,000 in their first year on the high end of averages, as well as making something like $120,000+ with more years of continued service. Again, that's BEFORE bonuses and extra compensation. So even if the PC of this game got stiffed on a bonus, that salary says that yes, they can easily make rent.

[@DivineLeeYT]

You saved me from wasting 60 Dollars I had so much hope they'd take it back to the old way they made them. I ignored the idiocracy of the trailers and continued hoping... But after watching this, I can no longer be in denial... They wasted our time looking forward to another Saints Row... Here goes to waiting some more years if they make a new one...

[@stark599]

The original Saints Row was one of the games I grew up with on my Xbox360, along with AC2 and CoD2. I always loved it because it was the closest I could get to GTA since my parents didn't want me to play that but were ok with SR (its dumb I know). but point is, I became a SR fan and still am, Ive played 1,2 and 4 and I love the series to death. Seeing this atrocity of a game even early on with none of the ties to the original games other than a name and a logo let me know that the franchise I loved as a kid was well and truly dead. even though I'm not surprised at all that the game was awful its still saddens me none the less. :(

[@I_quit_trolling_now]

I’m Better Than Muta

[@yaboybouttaturnisraelintoi7329]

Liked for fellow cod 2 fan We are brothers

[@juliusc1381]

You know... After you mentioned the Game Awards joke, I think they should go through with that idea. "Worst AAA Goty." Maybe the bad press will "inspire" publishers and developers into puting forth a better effort. Of course, any press can be good press to some... But I would like to believe negative word of mouth will dissuade potential consumers, thus giving even the slightest bit of extra risk to launching a terrible, broken mess of a game.

[@olic22]

Neat idea, but it would never fly with the sponsors of the event. That's why you'll only ever see independent outlets and creators bashing big releases - those from the big powerful companies

[@juliusc1381]

@@olic22 I actually considered that, and you are right. Big publishers have their hands in a lot of pies in the industry, likely including the Game Awards' sponsors. I can imagine it now: A big company pulls out the "Bullying card" as the reasoning to reject the idea. Even though all they have to do is make a good product. Although I think it would do good for the industry by adding additional incentive towards making and releasing good, functioning titles, I'm well aware of it just being a silly idea.

[@Petrico94]

There are plenty of rating sites that hammer in bad games, the fact people are rating it doesn't mean people don't buy it they can see the sales numbers themselves. Sometimes the bad press doesn't even reach their core audience like sports games or gambling P2W projects that hook people in then slowly improve to a playable state after everyone forgot they exist

[@napalmblaziken]

It likely wouldn't lead to anything. EA was voted as the worst company in America for years, and yet nothing changed.

[@xzeuii]

Game Awards voting committee/sponsors consists of High Level executives of AAA gaming companies, they’d never let that slide

[@MoonMinHo]

I feel like there's the secret achievement challenge/tradition popularized among gaming companies to ruin their game franchise' reputation, lifespan, and their fanbase' respect in general.

[@nawbro9156]

They're doing it for the Microsoft reward points

[@tuluflulu]

It's not even secret at this point.

[@_-James-_]

As silly as that sounds, that's definitely what it feels like lately. The way they behave and the products they put out, they could save a lot of time, effort, and resources not putting out anything at all.

[@matt2.052]

It’s because they want to adapt there games to the modern fringe woke culture instead deliver experiences people can relate or Atlest see reason on.

[@delix8869]

They care more about the woke idiots on Twitter than they do about their actual fans

[@eastsiderage5532]

You said exactly what I've been saying about this game. Everything about it feels outdated and near to broken. It's like Saints Row 3 with more amount of issues. And the people that make an attempt to defend it just have excuses and are just being dismissive to the problems in Saints Row 2022.

[@jayrasco2511]

"How does it feel to live long enough to see all of your favorite franchises go down in flames?" "Feels great."

[@Dietrich_Kaufmann]

The “Destroy All Humans!” remake is a good example of when it’s done properly

[@redacted5736]

Exactly, when I booted up the game for the first time and saw the disclaimer warning sensitive players about insensitive jokes that they left in from the original game I knew it would be good.

[@Somedude317]

@@redacted5736 5 days for the sequel remake. I can't wait.

[@Dietrich_Kaufmann]

Might come off as knit picking but the remake doesn’t allow small stuff like being able to use PK while holobobbed (disguised) and that PKing something removes its collision and are basically only able to throw at stuff rather than knocking people over 😂 (Still a good 1:1 with extra stuff added like the hover boots, makes sense being a high tech alien why not no hover boot 🤣) (August 30th Destroy All Humans 2: ReProped! coming, they use body snatching instead of holobobbing tho 🤔 Destroy All Humans! 2 takes place ~10 years after Destroy All Humans! 1 )

[@Dietrich_Kaufmann]

@@redacted5736 woke folk always choke on joke 💯

[@Epictaco45]

@@Somedude317 oh fuck it's that soon, fuck yeah i'm hyped now DAH 2 was my favourite game as a kid i hope they update the 3rd game since i've never played it

[@vincere9425]

The point you made at the end of this video is very poignant and I think a message that a lot of dev studios need to understand. This was a game with a great title history and name recognition. If they had taken the time and had the passion to create a fun and meaningful product here and marketed it accordingly It could have been a huge critical and financial success much in the way rockstars initial releases are. Which begs the questions, do these people making six figures a year not understand that? Did they not play the older titles in the franchise and their direct competitors games ( even ones from years ago) and then play the new saints row back to back and understand its a far inferior product? I simply don’t see how thats possible which leads me to believe this was the intent (and is the intent of a lot of companies nowadays) all along. Instead of investing time and resources into creating an awesome gameplay experience which will grasp user’s attention for years to come they rather release a mediocre piece of garbage for a quick little cash grab and then blame the consumer for it’s failure. Its scary to see how this laziness and greed is consuming the industry and as a lifelong gamer i’m concerned as to the direction of gaming in general.

[@jhoughjr1]

Time and passion dont make the PMs arbitrary deadlines.

[@tencraziest5697]

Because: Capitalism. The suits with the money get to decide how games are made, and those people don't play video games

[@YWNBAW69]

you refer to the game as a product. you deserve it being mediocre.

[@tencraziest5697]

@@YWNBAW69 bruh what, you're throwing shade over semantics

[@riventin3595]

Bioware, dice, obsidian, inxile, blizard, ubisoft, volition, konami, sqaure enix - those gaming companies, that i can currently remember, that not only turned their backs on gamers (as almost everyone did, +activision, ea, 2k, tencent), but also blamed gamers for their failures.

[@D_Dastardly1]

The fact that a laugh track can fit right into the cutscenes is telling

[@angel_of_rust]

not even the people laughing would just puke or roll their eyes audibly

[@TheGreatDanish]

Saints Row 2 is 100% one of the best entries in the Grand Theft Auto franchise

[@thekillswitch7304]

Saints Row 2 > all GTA games

[@sexylightskinboah]

@@thekillswitch7304 nice trolling lmao

[@thekillswitch7304]

@@sexylightskinboah I’m being serious dawg 🤷‍♂️

[@dontreadmyprofilepicture270]

DONT READ MY USERNAME!!!

[@22srs22]

@@sexylightskinboah not a troll, SR2 was real competition for GTA in certain departments

[@CecilTheDarkKnight234]

the "humor" alone in this game made me fucking reciol insides myself. Then there is the fact you can't loot/shoot gun shop owners, humor has being dialed way back not to OFFEND anyone etc. I give this game 3-4 months before getting an 40-60% mark down. Even then that may only sell 4-5 more units.

[@someoneyoudontknow6083]

Even if this game got put on Gamepass I'm not sure I could bring myself to play it. It just looks so *bad* . And that hurts so much to say about a Saints Row game. I never liked SR4, but even with that I dont think I could look at it go, "man, this is just trash." in the way I can for 2022.

[@CecilTheDarkKnight234]

@@someoneyoudontknow6083 same, I would rather play the OG game Via BC on my Xbox-One. Seeing ANOTHER franchise just fall to wayside saddens me.

[@tysonbell3524]

Tried to roll a gun store, shouldn't have less features than the prequels

[@kiryukazuma8089]

@@someoneyoudontknow6083 i’d definitely try it if it got on game pass, but only to then play 3 after to remind myself why i love the series. It’s a damn shame they may have killed it completely

[@kavetion8752]

I’m Better Than Muta

[@glitchgod3868]

These companies gotta realize they are competing against every other game out (old and new) and the internet (tiktok, KZbin, IG, etc) for our interest and attention. Anything they make that's even kinda boring and doesn't squeeze enough dopamine compared to those things is going to get shit on and put down

[@angelo423]

yup people are spoiled as fuck

[@DeeRhoe]

I held off on watching this until I finished it. You are absolutely, 100% correct. I was defending it as a mid game until, all of a sudden, it was over. That PISSED ME OFF. There was no depth, no heart, repetitive gameplay, the story was garbage. I plan on making my first ever review just to rant about this game.

[@Dieci-9]

To me, the interviews and behavior of the devs whenever first critics that, as hasty as they were, had some good reasons for their concerns already turned me completely off and made me abandon any idea to buy this game. They didn't care about the game, the characters that made the game what it was and its fans. So, why would any fan of SR with a bit of self-respect buy this game after being told that they're not the intended audience? They made their bed, now it feels good to see them trying to sleep in it.

[@platty9237]

If you ask me, it’s the modern bait and switch. The franchise has been bitten by a zombie, and what you loved is no more. It’s now a zombie game, made by zombies for other zombies.

[@-Anonymous-.]

@@platty9237 it’s not a bait & switch, it’s just a sad & laughable failure. Plain & simple.

[@deviledegg5664]

I miss the days of developers making games for fun, enjoyment, and crafting memories. Now we live in the age of making games for money, political correctness, and pleasing the game journalists rather than the fanbase.

[@rumbomaker]

"Pleasing game journalists" the game has a 69 on metacritic. Please stop using bogeymen to avoid critically thinking about why games have gone bad

[@TheNerevahkiin]

@@rumbomaker This. I don’t know why people can’t just criticize a game for its actual issues instead of devolving into jingoistic rants about people they disagree with.

[@mrjohnnyk]

@@rumbomaker Yeah, that's way too high for what it is, some journalists gave it a 95/100. Not exactly a lot of integrity there.

[@jackingwads7513]

Learn to gatekeep mouth breathing normies ruin everything

[@ashkebora7262]

Corporations will suck the soul out of _anything._ I'm continually amazed people are even still surprised when soulless products come out of soulless corporations...

[@londyngivens]

2016:evolve 2017: mass effect andromeda 2018: fallout 76 2019:anthem 2020: cyberpunk 2077 2021: battlefield 2042 2022: saints row like bruh…

[@ToxicJelly9]

At least cyberpunk turned it around and it's amazing now

[@Yotrymp]

The Nemesis system was legally protected until a few years ago. Sad how game mechanics can be patented for so long. The law is lagging on protecting games in a way that allows innovation. Just as a rhetorical device, imagine Saints Row 2022 had 2 amazing mechanics the entire game was based on, and then it had to be completely remade because they found out that those are patented mechanics that can't be licensed.

[@angel_of_rust]

if only shitty writing was patented so no one can ever do it again

[@opethheimer]

I always enjoyed Saints Row, including the 3 a 4. I liked it even more than GTA games simply because of the over-the-top humour. Sometimes, I just needed something that flips off realism. However, from what I've seen so far from the latest game (haven't played it, yet) it just falls down with the cynical corporate calculations of what is statistically good for the targeted audience. I'm sure, at some point, new creative people will come with ideas they made out of love of creativity rather than the financial calculations... it's like a cycle: start fresh with ideas and standards, get greedy, sacrificing quality for profits, and fall into history. At least, I hope it does function that way...

[@dontreadmyprofilepicture270]

DONT READ MY USERNAME!!!

[@coreycasciano3255]

Wasn’t biggest fan of four but holy shit it’s a masterpiece compared to this dookie sauce

[@dybixs1400]

Just wait what Rockstar is going to do with GTA 6 now they even have a monthly subscription for GTA Online

[@opethheimer]

@They're trying to weaponize it Okay, I see your point. Still, SR IV had some of the charm in it that I have yet to see in the current one. The characters from previous installments were still there, the antagonist had a sophisticated charm, the progress in story between installments did get more severe in scope (destruction of the whole planet Earth), which fits with the overall ridiculous vibe of SR... I dare say it was flawed, but not as much as the current SR. Feel free to disagree with my opinion; no hard feelings.

[@trashdakid3682]

@They're trying to weaponize it huh? I can easily say 4 was better than this crap. I didn't enjoy the story as much as the previous games but the gameplay was chaotic fun. Running super fast, causing huge explosion by jumping really high, fun weapons like the Dubstep gun. They even had some interesting levels like at one point, I think you get sent to a beat em up game.

[@kupokinzyt]

8:23 Saints Row 1, 2 and 3 also had robbing stores in it. They even had safes in the back after you robbed the cashier.

[@aerus3446]

I remember The Godfather and Scarface: The World is Yours games for PS2, full of content with hundreds of hours and enjoyed them as much as every GTA on the console. Sucks that the planned Scarface sequel to the one in PS2 was cancelled internally by Activision, and last I remember from Godfather games is the one in PS3, which I thought was ok but nowhere as good as the PS2 iteration. I miss camping in a bank for hours in Scarface TWIY when you reach the maximum cop pursuit level, the game turns black and white and cops were as strong as a tank, or the island in the entirely different second map which had an island that spawned an enemy that made you rich by camping him behind a rock. And Godfather was so fun to buy properties, hidden powerful weapon upgrades and open safes in dozens and dozens of shops in the game. Actual underrated masterpieces

[@mr.patriotjol]

This is why Saints Row 1 and 2 will always be the OGs. Sure 3 was ok. But anything after that was dog shit

[@asain3586]

Nah, even President Vs Aliens is fun when you shit stomp all over them.

[@Bubbagaming90000]

SR4 Is good if you haven't played the others. But after playing 3 I realized that 4 is just a copy & paste with super powers

[@joseguevara754]

Saints Row 2 is still the best open world game and gameplay age very well in 2008, San Andreas is also a great example with the best GTA that came out 15 years ago. Gameplay and Open world and great customization.

[@shlimeball475]

@@Bubbagaming90000 SR4 is actually a LOT better than 3 in terms of story because for me at least I felt connected to them instead of them just being there like they actually had personality

[@Bubbagaming90000]

@@shlimeball475 same agreed just saying after I played 4 then 3 It felt like a copy

[@slabness]

Oh man, that disheartened "I'm out" killed me. You got some real passion for gaming, it's easy to see. It is shit that game developers continue to make subpar entries to beloved titles. If it's a small development team I understand, jank is fine, but when something clearly has no passion injected into it, it shows. Even the cover shows no passion, they seem to be distancing themselves from the older fans.

[@MegaAvids]

Its almost as if, this is all just one big conspiracy amongst all Triple A gaming company to make shitty releases. I mean, its pretty much across the board at this point. Just about every game that comes out now is absolute trash

[@lxagamer3]

Except for Xenoblade 3 and Elden Ring. Namco, Capcom, Nintendo, and Fromsoft are some examples

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

we need another video game crash tbh.

[@sirsonic1832]

@@lxagamer3 and soon to be sonic frontiers people are loving the demo

[@kylesoler4139]

I think people have been asking for a videogame crash since 2015 or so.

[@Pie_Mastah]

Seems like Japan is out of the cool kids club

[@riffcrypt8438]

Mainstream AAA titles being unfinished, gutted, hollow experiences wearing the lifeless skin of formerly great franchises objectively providing worse content than PS2 titles? Wow. That's crazy.

[@P0k3D0nd3M4cG]

Idk of Volition is AAA. They've always been AA-adjacent. They've never had access to the same amount of capital or resources as a Rockstar.

[@dragoncpu2226]

Tripple A is just another word for dog shit at this point. Everything that was "great" about any franchise is now just not there. Gone because game companies dont care about making a good game. Instead they care more about making money. They dont care about putting out buggy half baked unfinished mess.

[@P0k3D0nd3M4cG]

@@dragoncpu2226 can you say the same about Rockstar? People lamented Red Dead Redemption 2 because they added too many features and mechanics. AAA just means they have access to boat loads of capital and resources/ have a lot of investors.

[@malakimphoros2164]

@@P0k3D0nd3M4cG There were a lot of great titles, but this, Cyberpunk and AC2 reskin no.5 sour the lot.

[@riffcrypt8438]

@@dragoncpu2226 The really demented thing is that some of the most predatory gatcha-type games at this point provide more fresh content and gameplay than these titles. To the point that I almost wonder if there could possibly be a concentrated effort to provide terrible console experiences as an excuse to abandon those markets.

[@abrainlessfish4139]

It’s really sad to see saints Row become this abomination, the first second, and third are pretty well made and always made me smile but this remake seriously makes me sad

[@Kuru20134]

Third was the beginning of the series downhill and this reboot is the funeral

[@dontreadmyprofilepicture270]

DONT READ MY USERNAME!!!

[@BlankedOutSlate]

@@dontreadmyprofilepicture270 Ok I won't

[@andrewschaal3348]

@@dontreadmyprofilepicture270 that’s wild 😐

[@abrainlessfish4139]

@@Kuru20134 I’d argue the forth was the beginning of the end of this franchises respect

[@Fent-]

The first time I’ve genuinely rooted for a game to fail. They had the easiest slam dunk of all time by making a semi realistic semi silly gang game, like a hybrid of the first two games. But they completely missed the mark and were very arrogant about it. I can’t even fathom how they saw the characters, read the dialogue and thought this game would be good in any capacity.

[@hibana_oonana728.psn.9]

i’m suprised anyone had high expectations for this game. as soon as i saw the trailer i knew they had already ruined an already failing franchise (Edit: i’m glad this is a respected take)

[@lienomzekon4763]

same

[@Triple_Affirmative]

i don't quite understand it either. there were people malding in the comments of the trailer going "NOOOO THIS IS GONNA BE A GOOD GAME" were those people like. mentally sound?

[@scorpion6328]

I guarantee none of those people have an IQ above room temperature.

[@austinclark5278]

Im surprised to see anyone still defend this franchise. And Im a long time fan of the series. SR4 was fun but it wasn't saints row. This new game should have made saints row good again and they FAILED to do that. The franchise is dead now.

[@hibana_oonana728.psn.9]

@@austinclark5278 sounds a lot like how i feel about battlefield except i say battlefields got one last shot of hope before it’s fully dead

[@Petrico94]

It was never GTA but as a clone where you can do wacky stuff and build up a gang based on priests and church architecture it's cool. SR 3 was maybe too random for the sake of it but decent and an upgrade in the mundane parts of 2, I don't think anyone thought much of SR 4. Now it sounds like people are just tired of it or the team set to reboot it weren't able to make it interesting. SR2 is dated but I remember some great cutscenes from fun to dramatic. Even 3 had some moments even if I'd say it's a downgrade. I think it should start as deadbeats trying to rob convenience stores for rent to robbing Fort Knox to pay off the space mafia or rob a convenience store after inflation in this one town goes through the roof. I don't even mind the casual feel since the game is supposed to be fun but maybe give them more character or have more going on in a scene to make it more dynamic.

[@rawflour6757]

Best criticism without being cringe like how Muta behaves at the start of the video

[@TuffMelon]

Honestly, a lot of people liked SR4 if you go in not looking for a Saints Row game. It really wasn't one, because it literally wasn't. It was a DLC that got so big they decided to release it as a full product instead. It was unashamedly just dumb fun throwing super powers and jumping around, if that was what you were looking for. That being said, Saint's Row really needed to rein itself in a bit and take itself back to something more what it was. Not... this.

[@miguelon9682]

His whole argument is not valid to me the second he had to mention the game experience is like having sex with a pencil sharpener and flipping dog shit, that's so dumb and so irrelevant, this guy's channel should be called theirrelerantgamer lol

[@mrgreen3002]

SR3 story was very poorly written. Main bad guys were a white Luchadore and the Kardashians lol hard pass.

[@lifeafter2020istrash]

It’s not a clone kid

[@joshuaanderson1712]

9:48 Didn't they patent the Nemesis system to stop anyone except for them using it? It was difficult to believe they were allowed to do that, if Space Invaders was allowed to patent the 'Difficulty Curve' because they did it first, things would be very different for video games. 12:38

[@jo_da_be._.1629]

Yea the nemesis system was patented by Warner bros

[@traestephen7276]

@@jo_da_be._.1629 Greatest system ever but they decide not to make any more games they could at least sell it off

[@theguy318atyomom]

They put a patent on it but Ubisoft found a work around with the Mercenary/Phylakes/Zealots system in the New AC games. 2025 the Patent will be up maybe other games can use it

[@lewisphelan6819]

@@jo_da_be._.1629 whats the nemesis system

[@the_crypter]

@@lewisphelan6819 Well it's pretty complex, there is a good video about it but basically. There is this hierarchy system of evil monsters which you have to beat. You can help other smaller monster take the place of current monsters so that they will help you in the future. The enemies remember you, the decision you take have a lot of impact, each monster has different set of weakness that needs to be exploited to defeat them, etc.

[@CopiousDoinksLLC]

12:44 This makes me so angry because the exact same thing is happening with the Battlefield franchise and BF2142. They made all the worst design and project management decisions possible ("Let's get rid of the class system completely!") and naturally, the game they finally released was a buggy piece of dog shit. And now some moron executive is going to look at those poor sales and say "Battlefield franchise is dead, no more games". Now let's see if the same thing happens with GTA6...

[@GravityTrash]

I hope to god that videogame companies finally take a hint and stop with these half-assed demakes of games. Too many franchises have been permanently ruined because of this shit and its getting tiring.

[@Kuzor]

@Chief Ani Wah Yah even then, i dont think it would fix things, we would need literal gaming laws that state you have to release a game in a stable and less buggy state. Besides, there are people that will play a game riddled with bugs and say it wasnt that bad. i enjoyed it besides the game crashing 90 times!

[@air6699]

@Chief Ani Wah Yah just don't fucking buy the game ever, pirate the shit out of it if you want to experience this garbage. I'm never buying it and no one else is, only the extremely casual fanbase. Remember what happened to cyberpunk 2077. Except cyberpunk actually had a good game underneath all the bugs. Volition is on my no buy list from now on.

[@sta5011]

@@Kuzor Yeah they only cater to the fuckers that politicize anything and wont buy it, if this keeps going on then im quitting gaming

[@I_quit_trolling_now]

I’M BETTER THAN MUTA

[@Yunggodz]

Lots of people don't look too favourably on it but I loved Saints Row IV, it still had that wild, off the wall tone that made saints row great. From the moment I saw this reboot revealed I was skeptical and now that it has been released I'm disappointed but not surprised to see that it has somewhat predictably lost it's soul. Yet another once great franchise swallowed up, sanded down and spat back out in a soulless fashion into the homogeneous mass that is big budget open world games. Quickly cobbled together by the triple A gaming overlords so they can have their next quick payday.

[@FoB952]

IV was perfectly fine. It definitely gets more hate than it deserves.

[@0292-q3l]

4 was ok, but shouldn't have been a Saints Row game, the real Saints Row is 1 and 2, after that, they shouldn't have been called Saints Row, 4 would have had a better response if it were called something totally different, the original Saints Row players would only call 1 and 2 Saints Row, anything after 2 is definitely not what we would call Saints Row.

[@FoB952]

@@0292-q3l it's definitely where the series jumped the shark. But I feel like that's what gives it charm, for me at least

[@pixums]

@@0292-q3l saints row 3 is valid

[@TawnyGryn]

luved SR4 never played the others so no frame of reference... but this one felt like a reskin of that and in the worst way

[@megamaggotmrh9085]

When the fanbase told them that the game didn't look like anything anyone wanted, they lashed out and said you can't judge it without playing it. Here we are, and the game is exactly how it looked. And the 10 fans of the game are lashing out and sending death threats to everyone for "exaggerated" complaints.

[@s-mme]

It's crazy, if they literally re-made the original saints row, the game's lifespan would've been longer.

[@ElegantChad2779]

Fun fact about the game: if you go into the credits, there are two categories reserved for moderators of the saints row’s Reddit and discord server, I’m not joking.

[@JTmaxx]

I think that's kinda cool, ngl.

[@haaxxx9]

I herd terrible things from those two shitty social media from the SR team alone. Also within like 5 or 10+ years it wouldn't even be there anymore or just heavily inactive that might as well write it off as end of life.

[@MrcreeperDXD777]

Reddit mods and discord mods, the pinnacle of human evolution

[@mrgamerguy9104]

Reddit mods and discord mods, what could go.

[@l4bells851]

5:54 I so agree, wd2 was such a great game and the "main cast" really improved over it and the dlcs make them ever better

[@SeroX51]

When making Rent is ever a Plot point for an Action Game, you've failed at Story Writing.

[@legofanguyvid]

only time that has worked is in Thief

[@hawken796]

You can if it's satire

[@kowalski4436]

Video games companies have dropped the ball so much in the past few years that we keep have to go back and play older titles just to have that feeling of a proper AAA title video game. Tomb Raider, Doom, Assassins Creed franchise (pre-2019), GTA V, RDR, RDR2 and much more were so good (with a few minor negatives). I bought Watchdogs Legion the other day for like $12, a game which sells for like $60. Apparently there is a bug in the game where you get stuck inside the hideout in the prologue mission which takes about an hour to reach from the beginning of the game. Once you are stuck in this perpetual hideout where you cannot leave or complete the objective, even after restarting the game and loading from the last checkpoint. After finding out that the only way to move past it is to restart the story mode all over again, I immediately uninstalled it. Apparently it has been a bug since release and Ubisoft hasn't bothered to fix it. The bug in question posted on multiple forums and even on reddit. But Ubisoft is too busy creating Iron Man skins for their Viking Era Assassins Creed game. And lets not forget about the biggest video game IP in the world Call of Duty, which just released a frickin lazer gun into a WW2 based Multiplayer game (Vanguard), which did so bad in sales during launch that they're on their last leg to milk that cow dry with microtransactions, before the new game drops this year. Oh and all of those microtransactions become obsolete when the next warzone/modern warfare games come out and no one is playing those games anymore. Video game companies don't care about what gamers want anymore, save for a few. They know we'll take whatever they throw at us. And we're gullible enough that these companies will just keep on pumping out shit games at premium prices and fixing the gaping holes in their games as time goes on and we just keep on indulging them. Unless there's some major rage about something from a content creator or a streamer and if they bring the problem to light or if it's unavoidable, then they might even try fixing something for once. But that's only true for some companies. Some don't even care to even acknowledge the outrage.

[@KratostheThird]

Agreed. I mostly play old stuff and indies.

[@redmoon383]

I actually had someone argue that it's okay for the game to be buggy "it's not like they're a AAA studio anymore" and I couldn't come up with any comeback except that that is still unacceptable. I'm glad I never cared about the Saints series except in passing because watching that game play looked soul sucking

[@air6699]

Bro I've seen early access projects made by one person more stable than this game. This is no excuse, they just got lazy and didn't playtest their game. Now they're paying for it

[@TheChosenMoose01]

That's why game companies release bugged games. Because idiots will buy it and defende the practice

[@alkaupadhyay7650]

Then please leave if you don't care about saint series. We actual fans know what's wrong with this game which wasn't with sr2, sr3 and sr4.

[@ragerasse7616]

@@alkaupadhyay7650 Shut up about "True fans". If you were a true fan you would be blowing air in someone's living room, not writing stupid comments on KZbin.

[@shoyu6]

The response is simple: if you expect me to pay, I expect quality. Doesn't matter if you're a AAA studio or one guy doing a passion project. Earn my money, or I take it elsewhere.

[@thelittleheathenfromSweden]

Honestly heartbreaking and mind boggling to see developers take a such massive dumpy on franchises that have carried them for so many years, some of the game releases in the past 5 years have managed to kill more of my childhood than my fathers physical abuse ever did growing up, which personally just makes my blood boil.

[@danielmorton1606]

I would bet a lot of the original devs and writers left and just a company with buisiness left. One of the founders is still there as a GM but yeah. Studio is dead.

[@mrbisshie]

I remember thinking the new Saints Row was going to be a remake of the second game, and then I seen the trailer, and my hype died in record time.

[@kiryukazuma8089]

And they probably killed the series with this

[@I_quit_trolling_now]

I’M BETTER THAN MUTA

[@inanimatesum4945]

I’ll say it, 4 was a lot of the mindless fun put together, dialed up to 11 and its just great to roam around and play. It is pretty mid but at least its more satisfying than most open world games that have come out recently.

[@VonSnuggles1412]

While 4 wasn't great, it managed to make me have fun for a decent portion of the game. And while i didn't laugh out loud at any of the jokes or whatever else, i did enjoy the campiness of it

[@662kev4]

Agreed

[@Johnyakuza572]

it's really fun to run around with super sprint and just execute the aliens

[@shogunpug4071]

@@jonatanrobledo9812 started playing it for the first time last month and sprinting into aliens, instakilling them with a running melee is a guilty pleasure

[@aninternetuser4306]

4 was my introduction to the series, so i have a soft spot for it.

[@hopeestheim7285]

Manga: Saints Row 1 & 2 Anime: Saints Row The Third Netflix Adaptation: Saints Row (2022)

[@Draliseth]

I thought the trailer was a bad look, but after seeing how neat the character creator was (asymmetric editing?!), I'm saddened the game fell to the low expectations I originally had.

[@I_quit_trolling_now]

I’M BETTER THAN MUTA

[@crimsonhermit9383]

Saints Row is the last game i would expect to have a 3.0 IGN rating lmfao

[@JohnDonovan1968]

We just wanted another Saints row game with the same style as Saints row 1 and Saints row 2. A dark and serious tone with natural funny (believable) humor... :(

[@noblecyberman957]

You mentioning the older games that did things better, made things fun, makes me feel glad I decided to go back console generations to enjoy the PS2/PS3, 360/OG Xbox era of games.

[@aerodigital]

Saint's Row 2 and 3 were fantastic for me. 4 was great when you didn't have to deal with how hard they tried to make the game "different".

[@boomerangmonkey8263]

At least they tried...

[@SlyJordie]

4 was way better than 3. Anyone saying otherwise is just flat-out wrong. Better story, more activities, less repetitive mission, more customisation options etc. IV is on par with 2 for me personally in terms of quality. That's not to say 3 was bad, it was a great game in its own right. The reboot is the first below-par Saints Row unless you count the GOOH expansion from 2015.

[@jetthejudge]

@@SlyJordie I feel IV and 2 are basically equal.

[@TheGravityShifter]

There's already Thanos memes on SR4. "Perhaps I treated you too harshly."

[@Holy_Grapefruit]

Saints Row up to the last one: Hardcore, full-time, goofy-ass gangsters Saints Row 2022: Part-time criminals, with apparently billions in student debt.

[@NEEDbacon]

I know not everyone played SR1 cause it's stuck on the 360. But you wanna know how the Playa gets started in that? By accidently being near a three way shoot out, where effectively nobody gangsters are like "Hey, shit's fucked and you should join us. Drop by the church if you're interested." And the man who would go on to take over Stillwater TWICE, started as a passerby in a shithole town. Meanwhile in Reboot land, everyone is apparently part of every other gang already like it's some 9-5. Like you said, Part-Time Criminals.

[@acunt]

SR 3&4 weren't hardcore lmao

[@NEEDbacon]

@@acunt He did say goofy-ass as well. And even so, 3/4 saints were still more hardcore then these dweebs.

[@vulpesinculta9578]

Truly one of the games of all time. I cried when he said "It's rowing time", and rowed all over everyone.

[@frankwoods9772]

Dude..... Please don't

[@ps2bndled]

@@frankwoods9772 Ikr this meme is getting so unfunny

[@spartanjohn858]

Delete your KZbin account, shit is so cringe.

[@dorugoramon0518]

@@ps2bndled I think thats the funny part about it. Its not funny, but you laugh at how unfunny it is.

[@tiruliru1189]

Yawn, the meme is boring now

[@jaysonovo4778]

The issue with a game like Saints Row 2022 is that the creators aren't OG fans who loved the best the series had to offer. They found the initial installments to be offensive and outdated humor wise. When that happens, you know you're screwed. The creators should always be people who loved playing the best of the series, and try to bring that magic back. Like 343 with halo, it should be people who played 1 through 3 at least, and want to bring back the fun.

[@ArchSchizo]

When a series gets famous for pissing off censors, the censors will neuter it as much as they can later. I hate the censor-sponsored vulgarity and edge in everything now. Swearing is used as a substitute for humor, instead of a spice. Juvenile humor is used without irony. Referencing things is done as surface-level & blatant as possible. Merely depicting something terrible is off-limits because no matter how much you ridicule it, it is seen as endorsing it by people who don't watch, listen, read, or play anyway. The worst part is the new fans that say nothing changed (or that changing the core of a franchise is good). "[Series] has ALWAYS been about [progressive message]". Back then, pissing off censors was progressive. Now, censorship is progressive. TL;DR: I can watch Indiana Jones and still think women and foreigners are to be treated with dignity. Indy 5 is gonna put the message before entertainment because modern audiences need spoonfeeding.

[@chickenpasta7359]

A lot of these prolific games are losing people that made the games special and unique. Rockstar is a prime example.

[@Maceyoshiman]

Couldn't have said it any better.

[@rayquaza1245]

That's often the problem with IPs that are given to people who didn't create them. They want to create their own version of the IP instead of following what made it popular. But if their vision was popular, they wouldn't be using someone else's IP to begin with.

[@ConsumptiveSoul]

@@chickenpasta7359 oh yeah I heard gta6 will be water down as well

[@RTheStoryteller7]

7:58 for some reason my brain just said "I could even do that in real life too" and show a footage of Muta robbing a store lol

[@hotdawgsgood]

I’ve never seen a game truly look like a shell of it’s former self, just a tasteless copy and paste downgrade

[@Ki115witch]

Battlefield 2042 has entered the chat.

[@ThiagoJaqueta]

@@Ki115witch DmC Devil May Cry was in the chat for a decade too lmao

[@dontreadmyprofilepicture270]

DONT READ MY USERNAME!!!

[@MessiahJesus]

2 bots have entered the chat.

[@zewacker]

@@ThiagoJaqueta what DMC are you referring to, actually I know which one(DMC4 I think) but what makes it bad