SaltEMike Reacts to How Refueling, Rearming, and Repairing Might Be AMAZING in Star Citizen!

[@Jason-ho8wr]

"could be, will be, someday, eventually, upcoming"

[@mayoluck]

You forgot "never will"

[@warren3174]

@@mayoluck and soon

[@CHEESYhairyGASH]

"upcoming" = Q3 2027 "eventually" = Q2 2033 "someday" = Q4 2045

[@warren3174]

@@Jason-ho8wr “in the upcoming Pyro System “

[@Vioblight]

“Might”

[@anthonypllu3864]

what would be really amazing is if the features that we already have just worked consitantly.

[@SuperCocoKiller]

But they work consistently I mean I can fully load my ship with all those hauling mission boxes and now just fly off and deliver then...(server error all missions abandoned).... welp I guess I should blow up my ship so I don't have to unload it all for free.

[@CitizenScott]

Dang man. Good point. Tell Chris.

[@romanwiller2180]

Saw someone testing refueling yesterday. They were successful in refueling in space, in space docked, in atmo, and in atmo docked. It was really interesting and I’m glad it worked.

[@G3nj1saN]

I enjoyed working on that screen, design was handled by Thorsten (German one). Can't wait for the other functions to be added to the Starfarer so you get to understand how useful the Farer will be once jump gates start to be a thing. Where you sit on the outer reaches of a system near the route players must take waiting for people who drop out low on fuel, selling at 200% because they have no choice. Pirates will leave you alone as you are like a space remora that help people exist outside of regulated systems, they might even sell you protection.

[@trevjenn]

We have faith but marketing keeps lowering it every time there seems to be a slight win lol

[@sirbonobo3907]

Iam looking Forward to the fuel Rats!

[@Ogata123]

The external ship damage “wear and tear” is visible all the time for me. Even see it on newly claimed ships as soon as i spawn them. Always found it funny a car can sit in front of my house for years and only get a few scuffs and dust. But a ship stored in an atmospherically controlled station gets holes in its titanium shell after an hour

[@Maverrick2140]

maybe station staff uses it as target practice because you were rude to them when requesting to land ? :P

[@grunty144]

​@@Maverrick2140 HAHAHAHA......... 😐😒

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Theory crafting is fun. The possibilities have always been the draw for SC. But CIG hasn't put in the groundwork for ANY of this, and currently seems to be moving more and more towards dumbed down and simplified systems.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

I don't see CIG headed towards a SW Galaxies harvesting and crafting system.

[@alexcheskie9446]

@@Kyle-sr6jm I feel like meshing with 1k between Stanton and pyro, then hammer down the rest of the core features. I think we are going to be in a better spot a year from now.

[@123TheCloop]

"might" = more copium, instead will get a Tier 0 approach that they spend another 5 years improving on or somehow find a way to magically beam fuel using tractor beams :D (im not putting it past CIG on that one)

[@captainharlock3998]

But we'll get T0 only in 2-3 years after a slew of "upcoming, soon, around the corner" every ISC for years.

[@Bailey-k2j]

Mean while, my $600 Carrack will stay broken for the next 10 years. But hey, low grade fuel, right?

[@sirbonobo3907]

Dude my Merchantman wont even be released in the next 10 years...

[@Anonymous-m9f9j]

- respect player time - respect player feedback - get face time with decision makers regularly not just nervous devs trying to sell the next thing - present players with a simple vote a la RuneScape on major changes, honour the decision Nothing else really matters, this year turned into a disaster for player engagement, release planning, project management and communication. We won’t know why specifically player count sucks, be it master modes, aesthetics, time sinks, general jank or whatever else has gone badly. They need to share data with us and have a transparent dialog about changes before they get too far down the path (like the item draws).

[@cybertaniwha]

Food for thought, even though Pyro has these service locations, they are known locations. These are targetable locations. If you notice that juicy target refuelling at a station, it puts you on someone's radar for exploitation. Self reliance allows you to stay more hidden for as long as possible.

[@T0TALLYAWESOMEGUY]

they'll be armistice zones

[@NoleBuddy-ep3zl]

also you can keep it cheaper (in theory) for your org

[@grunty144]

That principle can apply to the Stanton system just as easily. In which case, it defeats the whole concept/purpose of Pyro still.

[@deathlytree434]

A possible way to put some heat on cigs feet is to do a class action lawsuit not saying its a good idea or legal advice

[@Bailey-k2j]

💯

[@Chewywrinkles]

I think they have most people still on squadron 42. I think they’re racing for a 2025 release for sq42 with a release date announcement at citcon this year. Chris doesn’t care as much about sc as he does sq42. Remember he’s wing commander guy and sq42 is supposed to be the successor to wing commander.

[@sauriak8286]

Time to change my glasses. I read Refunding instead of Refueling on the thumbnail. It's a double bad sign...

[@Paceytron]

I really would love to know the breakdown of developers in CIG. Even a “snapshot in time, subject to change, etc etc” would be much better to know how staffed each team is, because you are 100% right when you say that it feels like each team describes themselves as small.

[@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n]

how does nobody even mention the fact that they havent even released a bunch of ships from like 2015? how can you even experience these gameplay loops if the ships those people payed hundreds of dollars for back then arent even out yet?

[@geekadventureteam7806]

To be fair there's only like 2 ships and a couple variants from 2015 and before that haven't been released. The Starliner (No gameplay for it yet), the BMM (half done? And half the gameplay for that isn't in either), and a couple of Hull Variants. I mean we can count the Idris and Javelin also but we knew those weren't gonna be in our hands until SQ42. Don't get me wrong I understand the sentiment, I bought a Kraken in 2019 and I probably won't see that for another couple years at least.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

The work debt CIG has accumulated may be at the point that without absolute success of every release, will never be able to be paid off.

[@senn4237]

@@geekadventureteam7806 They have so many ships in the backlog that they haven't even touched. Realistically the MM could be passing 15 years before release, if they don't just cancel it. I can't see how that is okay with anyone.

[@aikiwolfie]

The priority right now is still SQ42. Which is totally feature complete. Promises!

[@SuperCocoKiller]

And getting delayed, oh wait it didn't had a release date.

[@aikiwolfie]

@@SuperCocoKiller it actually did have a release date. It was meant to release in 2016, 2017 and 2018. The it was moved back to a private beta in 2020. Which they admit they missed. And then they gave up issuing a release date.

[@SuperCocoKiller]

feelsbadman

[@SuperCocoKiller]

In 10 years from now CIG will still be reworking the same old features and making ships to sell while testing server meshing. 😂 No gameplay is planed only vision of it.

[@adamporetti5983]

All these features are great to dream of, but how about we worry about implementing these when we have 10 + star systems in play.

[@yashik]

they are focusing on gameplay a lot just in a different way then what we want... look they nerfed hand held tractor beams and called it balance at same time didn't fixed/updated mechanics on ship beams because it's alpha -lol- and after haulers finds out how miserable they life is when dealing with cargo CIG reveals new gamplay featuring mech for sale called ATLS ... only haters like me are not excited about this massive progress, I've been told it will be later on in game so i suppose I should uninstal SC and wait... that's my gameplay aahahahaa

[@BulletsNBrass]

While I don't object to any of his ideas, I would like that to be things that can be done LATER. Let's stop encouraging them to feature creep at this point, they're good enough at that as it is.

[@MikesBasementx]

In Elite Dangerous you can call the Fuel Rats and/or install Fuel Scoops and Repair modules on your ships, for self-sustaining your ship. This is what we need in SC as well, besides clear repair/rearm and refueling player roles. But I do also think that it is very important that there are NPC solution in both directions. NPC's that players can call to repair/rearm and refuel their ships, but similarly, missions that can refuel/rearm and repair NPC ships.

[@carllong8954]

The eve bug has its claws deep into this one. Mike has seen what can be and will now never not be able to not see it now.

[@avatv4658]

I have seen wear and tear on my cutty red had it like 2 weeks looked banged up even though it was fully repaired

[@PandaTheGray]

Dude's theory crafting something that is nowhere near the priority or necessary for the game to run smoothly and consistently.

[@saltemikereacts]

Here is the thing, if the game runs smooth, you will know how empty it is, game design needs to do their thing while the tech does theirs.

[@PandaTheGray]

@@saltemikereacts using drones to repair our ships or changing our munition types won't make the game feel less empty.

[@senn4237]

@@saltemikereacts I completely understand that different teams work on different features/systems. But this really does feel cart before the horse to talk about fuel grades when so much is still missing and non-functional.

[@VortexStolenName]

I was playing an early access game called Starbase, and found a pristine combat ship pretty far into the asteroid belt. I kept the coordinates and sold them to a player for 1,000,000 credits, they went and claimed the ship for themselves. This was in the later half of the closed alpha. In SC, that player would have just claimed their ship for free and nobody would get anything out of it.

[@Squigbillies]

What do we do if they really are making another game with our money we spent for them to make star citizen?

[@Tsudico]

11:30 - A few paragraphs above what you said and visible in the video it says: "All ships can use hydrogen to power their thrusters, but it is not the only type of gas that can be converted. Some ships can harvest and convert varying types of gas that when refined provide additional benefits, such as increased efficiency or reduced emissions."

[@Hav0k]

Thanks for the react video, Mike! I definitely agree with a lot of the additional comments you made for making all of this better. You mentioned how you wanted NPCs to carry basic items and everything else that are higher tier items to come from crafting. I think that's extemely important for the game and hope that's the case. But also, I'd love those powerful items to come from endgame content as well, and then some from reputation. I had a much longer comment yesterday, but either i lost service, and it didn't post, or i got caught by a bot mod. Regardless, thanks again and keep up the awesome react videos! o7

[@Luix_OS]

Self Reliant, a new reliant version!

[@angelarch5352]

37:50 "where are all these people?",... SQ42. They are not working on Star Citizen. And they are mostly working on single player SQ42 mechanics and balancing, which does not work when it is copy-pasted over into the multiplayer.

[@essentialasa]

I want quality to be a consideration in crafting and refining. It would allow for players who don't want to engage with the mechanics at an advanced level to use presets (like how refining is now) to get a passible output but players who want the deep mechanics to get high quality output UPDATE: The team size thing!!! Yes! I've been wondering about the division of labor for a while now. How many teams and what is the size? Like there's only one or two small ship teams and one team working on the flight model and one small team working on missions....there's over a thousand people - what are they all doing?

[@Cmdr_V]

Marketing

[@Maverrick2140]

for refueling (and also salvage and mining) to make more sense we really need to have the ability to go to random places that don't have a station or point of interests attached .. i am thinking of "crash sites", derelicts drifting about in the void, comets and asteroid belts etc. that can be just about anywhere. Also we need the ability to "spring a leak" in regard to fuel tanks as a result of battle or even random events like micro meteorites that may hit a ship when t he shields are down and cause a leak etc. in regard to self reliance .. i suspect that a system like Nix will be much more able to lend itself to that becoming a thing .. mainly because we need a lot of systems to get implemented to actually make that possible .. mainly things like mobile refineries and the ability to transfer stuff (fuel-liquids/gasses and water) from one ship to another .. have a system in place to buy those .. and a starfarer rework ^^ .. the reclaimer also needs one .. especially because it does not give proper access to its cargo spaces .. the elevator is atrocious to use .. and a ship like the reclaimer would be a prime candidate to receive the ability to manufacture spare parts for ships .. and ships like the crucible/vulcan are prime suspects for repairing that would also require them to aquire and actually use up the appropriate materials as a basis to create stuff.. generally we need actual "crafting" in a place where stuff is not only scarce but non existent.

[@tyagainlater]

I love the idea of high vs low grade fuel. Low grade is what you get from stations/npcs and is suitable for everything, while high grade fuel is entirely player produced (or at least only available form npcs in bulk/limited quantities) and should give a boost to pvp, explorers, and racing players. Making pvp players dependent on the effort of industrial (at least if they wish to optimize) players is how you solve the piracy and pvp griefing problems without artificially limiting players.

[@pheebs8451]

The Starfarer needs review and has to have extra functionality (fuel refinery & drones for rearm and repair) and larger range fuel tanks added. Don’t think it’s going to compete without these as minimum. It has so much potential. None of it is realised and so much space on the ship is just fluff.

[@Maxxmentum]

I don't think some of this is possible because survivability is so low. There has to be greater survivability mechanics before anything else is going to really matter.

[@senn4237]

Yes, so many of these ideas and features mean nothing if you get blown up in 10 seconds and then have to spend an hour placing a claim on your ship an trying to get to your corpse.

[@IamAlpharius30k]

ive had 2 kids since ive started following star citizen at this point the game is looking like my kids will be old enough to crew my ships before its possibly playable as a game😂😂😂😂

[@KombatKrab]

Same.

[@MrSmith123123]

Mike, topic for future, will SC be a survival MMO or an MMORPG or MMOFPS or ? I think MMORPG are not popular and survival and building genre is, so they may need to change the vision

[@animusnocturnus7131]

The issue with certain things ONLY comming from other players is that it would mean that a single Org could potentially corner the entire market, making it impossible for everyone else to get these things and if these are valuable (read: powerful) enough, this could mean that the entire verse would be dominated by that single Org. The good thing about CIGs design intention of NPCs taking a bigger role in the verse, with players only ever being big contributors, but not dominators of market shares, is that everyone has the ability to bounce back, rather than being excluded from participation due to animosity from someone who just wants to be the biggest bully on the playground.

[@thomasinlondon2849]

Yes exactly how it should be. Seed the world with resources, and only player refined product would be available, and each location would have a demand. Thus creating real demand price fluctuations etc.

[@outbackbaron]

Whilst there’s 13 stations or so within pyro, majority are faction based so you probably won’t be able to access half of them or there may be conflict or it’ll cost too much cause they’ll charge you a premium if you are with a different faction (if they even interact with you being from a different faction), we are also talking a system that is 3-4 times the size of pyro

[@thefirmament9915]

WE NEED REFUELING HAND TOOL! We have hand tools for everything else(Mining/Salvage/Cutter/Tractor/Medgun). It should be a tool that allows removing fuel from abounded ships so a siphon/refuel hand tool.

[@PeterMKent]

I think Reclaimers need Repair Drones now. They can use the RMC and CMats they collect to repair other ships. AEGIS Reclaimers could be fleet support ships and really should be.

[@alexanderdooley5833]

thats like the entire purpose of the Vulkan, and Crucible.

[@captainharlock3998]

Reclaimer was never EVER meant to repair anything. It's drones have the sole purpose of finding and retrieving wrecks.

[@ep7311]

It'd be cool to be able to buy "racing fuel" from a Race Track NPC/Vendor if you have the appropriate rep level with Wildstar or whatever the racing faction is called. Like you need to be a pretty high octane racer to begin with to even get access to the improved fuel.

[@HawkHPG]

I want to see, one day (obviously far off,) an org or a group of people, being able to be fully independent and be able to, with enough effort and building up to, never HAVE to go to a station. I mean the group has the capabilities to get hydro fuel, quantum fuel, and make ammo and components. Get materials for repairing. I mean the full works. If we can do that in game, then that would give people the desire to progress and form communities. Star Communities. Star Cities. Star Colonies. I really hope CIG has the scope of vision to include this idea.

[@Silverhawk-u2f]

Drones should be mainly be about rearming missiles and maybe weapon, but that seem weird from the outside, repairing hull / weapons / turrets and small emergency refueling IMO

[@foulwin9719]

The game has been designed from the ground up to not require interacting with other players. NPC crews (which we will probably never see), NPC fueling, NPC repair, NPC cargo loading/unloading (which we may never see), etc. It's never been the case that we rely on other players for anything.

[@atrior7290]

My SC dream is to be the guy in the who meets up with supply train and goes near the frontline to put allies back in the fight. To be helping for events from the side lines, seeing all that's done to support combat ships.

[@Marlax-101]

Honestly if drones automate some tasks it could be decent. Hulk damage but also scanning and locating internal damage inside. And bigger ships it might be small enough to fit inside as a highlight. Could also just repair to a higher degree.

[@xSKOOBSx]

I think fuel grades would be more related to % concentration of fuel-containing clouds that are "scooped" and how much refining is done. More refining = better fuel performance.

[@Valium_x]

CIGs whole marketing strategy has been based around imagine if. No more imagining let's see real s*** in the verse. @SalteMike could you do a video on 'where are all the developers' for example: 🔹Elite Dangerous has 800 staff 🔹 Microsoft flight Sim has 250 staff 🔹 Bethesda has approx 240 staff 🔹 Eve online has approx 250 staff Where the f*** are the 1200 CIG employees hiding?

[@yonoqueriacuenta]

DONT YOU SEE IT???? they are making the tech that will enable more emergent gameplay in the future, and they are doing it right from the start no matter how long it takes. That is why after 10 years there is no game and this thing is full of bugs and time sinks.

[@Valium_x]

@@yonoqueriacuenta if that's the case then let's see the progression tree, let's see what features they plan for v1.0...this requires no tech, in fact they could draw it with a crayon. So where is the plan they are working towards after 12 years? Where is it?

[@yonoqueriacuenta]

@@Valium_x it is right there!! You go to the CIG website and click on the 'Store' link

[@sebastienjonas4984]

Can't wait to be ganked in my Starfarer in Pyro. Excited to play the punching bag to make edgy kids feel special.

[@Aaron-oe4yr]

CIG could seed some very large deposits in space where you have to refuel to get there an back

[@TairnKA]

I added this comment to a different video, but thought this is more relevant. What would happen if we flew Starfarers (full of fuel) to the nearest planet on the ARC map, like the British did to get bombers from England to the Falklands (Operation: "Black Buck")? It likely would do nothing. ;-)

[@blackeagle_138]

Everyone is working on SQ42 still or CIG is lying about the number of employees... I don't see how it could be any other way

[@Chilleeman]

I hope they allow fuel ships to siphon fuel from destroyed or abandoned ships

[@HardMode..]

we need professions and crafting: chemist, weaponsmith, armorer, engineer etc. and the best stuff is made by players, best qt drive made by max level engineer, best weapons made by max level weaponsmith and so on. this might also make death of a spaceman make more sense, so lets say if your character gets to perma death it resets your profession which should be something that takes a lot of time and effort to get to max level. Also this helps create a natural economy obviously with the materials needed for crafting. something along those lines anyway

[@Citizen-Nurseman]

I liked forever skies way of handling fuel types

[@Vioblight]

“Might”

[@gam3rguy174]

12:40 for fule types instead of of limit weapons why not limit how far ships can fly on what fule and what I mean by that is have racing ships burn fule faster because they’re going faster even without the boost on, if it’s a sports car it’s burning through fule, that way based on the ship it determines how far or frequently you’d have to refuel

[@swiftbow2110]

I would like to see refueling ships with the capability to scan fuel levels of passing ships and offer services via hail in a pro active manner. Don’t know what that would break in game but it would be some really good gameplay for the profession. Wait, can they do that already?😂

[@stevenling5946]

Stations need a resource count for players to also be able to sell to stations like fuel and ammo or minerals for the stations to refill no more unlimited repair and rearm and station prices for sell and purchases reflect on stations quantity

[@Volf1916]

I keep seeing wear on my C1 an C8R by the end of a game session. The problem I have is it does not go away when I repair them, it only goes away if I claim the ship.

[@TairnKA]

In the Engineering game play (if it will exist), the Engineer (Player) needs to be able to determine if a component, sub-component or relay can be repaired or needs replacing? It needs to be specified that relays are either all the same or specific to components (power unit, coolers, etc...)?

[@KombatKrab]

What if you have different types of relays? Coolers, CPU and Power for example With each one coming in at different grades. These could manipulate the performance of the base unit..?

[@TairnKA]

@@KombatKrab or cause the base unit to be overloaded, "choose wisely". ;-)

[@madscotsman3390]

The pipe dreams are strong with this one lol. Sounds great.

[@krimson459]

I think it would be great if most of the current systems had more choices, but not necessarily to the degree that was discussed in this video. I think having more than 3 fuel grades for example would be a little too complex for the current state of the game and I believe that effort could be put into other systems like reputation, missions, factions, etc. Being able to choose between standard, high velocity, and low velocity ammunition would be sufficient in my opinion, I can’t imagine having to choose between 15 different ammo types for each category of weapon we already have. SC needs gameplay that matters where players can make meaningful progress and advancements through various gameplay loop systems, I don’t think it needs an extreme depth when it comes to the day to day filler fluff, at least for the time being until other things have been fleshed out.

[@defi5]

The problem with going to hard on relying on other players side of things is the toxic people. Overcharging for things, just wanting to grief, committing to a deal or meeting you for repair if you’re stranded and then just never show up. I think we should be able to rely on NPC’s as well for a lot of things but I agree on not everything.

[@Ogata123]

With CIG’s track record with UIs, i think they’d be better off adding Curse or other UI mod support and letting modders do what they cant

[@laminatedsamurai]

I need more use for my Starfarer while I have it as a loaner for my eventual Endeavor.

[@KaSuMan69]

time sick over time sick = game that no one will play

[@UH60-Arthur]

YES more broken time sinks, that's exactly what this dumpster fire needs

[@saltemikereacts]

Just curious, if you dont want repair refuel and re arm to matter (I assume that is correct) what do you want?

[@UH60-Arthur]

@saltemikereacts absolutely, it should matter, but having the player manually reload, refuel, and repair is just an unnecessary time sink, if you have all day to sit on ass and play go ahead and cry for all the time sinks in the world but make them optional. Using broken mechanics like tractor beams to load 1 missile at a time would be a waste of time and add nothing to the game. After all, it's just a game no matter how much useless "immersion" they try and stuff into it. I and many, many others, dont have hours to tedeously re-arm and refuel my ship to try and do 1 mission.

[@senn4237]

@@UH60-Arthur there really does need to be a balance. Manually pumping my own fuel and loading each missile individually is going to get old after the first time for me personally. I love immersion but I don't need to perform every little action in the daily life of a person virtually. I guess if that is what the hardcore players want, then good for them. But I imagine there is a large group that feels the same way I do.

[@UH60-Arthur]

@senn4237 couldn't agree more, I don't need a "character has to shit" mini game. I also would bet $100 bucks that if they added an ability to log out and in, inside our hangers, 100% of people able too, would. No one wants the commute around planets after the 3 or 4th time. I went front "wow this is cool" to "doing this dump trip again" really fast.

[@TairnKA]

I feel that components, fuel, refined materials, etc... purchased from an NPC or Player that hadn't come from the factory is very likely of poorer quality and should only be used in an emergency situation? I envision a sole Vulcan stopping next to your disabled ship (component failure) and the Vulcan's pilot informs you he has a replacement component in his hold, but it's a lower grade piece (salvaged and/or repaired) and it will cost you nearly the same as a high-end unit if he installs it (no warrantee, takes broken component) or it costs even more? What do you do (if your good, or bad)? ;-) Btw - He's willing to negotiate/barter. ;-D

[@stepstv4466]

When did they say drones are automatic ? The Carrack has a drone operator seat. WE fly the drones !? 😂

[@alexanderdooley5833]

if they never make the Vulkan and Crucible, its gonna be a long ass time away... the Vulkan is the fleet refit ship that services all your small craft.

[@nydabeats]

Hot take: I don't think the game needs 2 fuel sources, its unnecessary, refueling and travel balance would be a lot easier if we had 1 simple fuel source, everything you do should burn quantainium. Think about it, simple is better. Obviously tanks would be bigger. But you'd actually have to put some thought and pay attention to your fuel where as now its a non factor.

[@mhmm4840]

I'd rather be able to maneuver at sub quantum speeds if I get yanked out close to my destination by an interdiction. Obviously kinda a niche case but I think it makes for interesting gameplay, maybe quantum fuel is a lot more expensive, so if you are willing to take the time flying on thrusters around a planet (with a capable ship) it's cheaper.

[@nydabeats]

@@mhmm4840 I'm just thinking in the future when we have multiple systems and you want to fly to a desolate area where there's no refueling options and you can't make it on one tank, you set a ping where you want to go on a planet and the route would tell you how much fuel you need to jump to the planet and how much fuel it takes to traverse the planet to the location. Currently you'd have to manage and calculate 2 different fuel plans for one trip. I just think it would be much easier to only have to think about 1 tank of fuel, in terms of planning a route (jumping and atmo), refueling, costs ect.

[@mhmm4840]

@nydabeats I personally think it would be harder to keep track of that way. With 2 different fuels, I can know exactly how far my quantum is going to take me while not having to worry about getting stranded because I loitered too long. I don't think it would be a bad thing to have to manage your fuel that way, I just disagree with it being easier. The way it is currently, you know exactly how far your q-drive can take you, which is the major decider in what you have access to. Your regular thrusters can take you basically anywhere around an orbital body if you are patient enough or have the right ship. It also opens up the doors for interesting concepts like fuel prices. Maybe regular fuel is really easy to mass produce in practically every system, but quantum fuel is made with rarer materials and only produced in certain locations. So while everyone has access to both fuels, the quantum fuel might be more expensive (or not available unless by player gas station?) Just my 2 cents

[@nydabeats]

@@mhmm4840 fair enough, good points, but to me the fact you don't have to worry about getting stranded is the problem. Currently in stanton once you get where your going you can fly around with hydrogen fuel and never worry about it because you always have enough quantum fuel to get to a mining outpost or whatever. Thats why refueling isn't a thing and fuel prices don't matter. But if you get to a non inhabited system, you will not have to worry about 1 fuel but you'll have to worry about hydrogen as well. And yea maybe that doesn't matter if your just flying around goofing off but if your trying to complete maybe a mining operation and the rich ore location is over multiple tanks of fuel away now you really have to calculate 2 different parts of the journey separately and figure out how much of each fuel to bring in a refueling ship, separate refueling intervals and all the costs. idk I'm just theorizing, not really taking a hard stance or anything, thanks for replies man. the 2 fuels honestly is not a problem in stanton, it works fine, I'm just thinking about systems with no fuel, no points to jump to where you'll have to manually fly everywhere. Fuel is going to be an issue and I'm curious to see how Cig handles it.

[@jose6point2]

Mike hit the nail over the head on 36:00

[@MaxAce20]

This is a very 2018 video, far too hopeful for complex mechanics cig are clearly incapable of developing.

[@Redmarine1983]

Does any form of refueling actually work right now?

[@yonoqueriacuenta]

Ohg hunting down rare ammo for your next fight, like Elite Dangerous.. but in a box moving simulator you have to make each bullet yourself or it will not be realistic

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Or you have a friend with a ship set up to manifacture a specialized AP ammo. He needs a list of materials to make a production run. If you want the ammo, you need to cooperate to mine or purchase the materials and provide security while he runs the production.

[@pebegou]

I want a flea market, maybe physical, where players are contracted to transport those items to and from. And more lootable items, valuables, art, shit to loot, sell and make profit from, like Tarkov. Imagine loading a gatling with APs rounds and shredding the enemie's ship. Maybe you could loot ammo boxes for your ship during fps gameplay. So many cool ways of doing it, CIG makes none of it.

[@dazmania11]

Bring on the banu merchantman for trading with other players for commodities etc

[@breezie336]

I agree, they must shove 42. 99% supporting the game are MMO players. Concentrate on the MMO game. This is how I feel.

[@TheStumafoo]

Mikey you’re think it’s like an mmo.. it’s. They make a problem then sell you a solution.. it’s a business…

[@goself84]

Do reputation-based recipes, seed the world with basic items have a very small amount of rare items and then reputation-based recipes for the rare items.

[@MadMinute578]

Is there a melee team??

[@pxkqd]

Pyro NPCs shouldn't be selling infinite amounts of fuel. Even on stations, you should probably have fuel stamps/tokens and gain them doing jobs for that faction. Normal credits and infinite supply would be bad because there's either infinite fuel, or there's "limited" and very expensive, wreaking all the economy in the system. It should be treated as a special commodity that is highly paid to miners/refiners, and distributed sparingly.That leaves room for player driven fuel distribution.

[@D3VILG3N3]

I think their largest team must be marketing 😂 500 people marketing team...

[@strados1090]

I understand your thinking that we should do everything in pyro, but then I understand SC, this is a living universe, unless they create a new system that has not been populated by anyone then is normal you would have factions fighting over control, and without the UF law, everything goes, hopefully they will add demand, like not all stations or locations will have fuel due to outage, then you can take a mission to bring Fuel to them, or wait for fuel ships and destroy them, then have your org use their ship to sell to players on the side, FYI I don't care for PVP or what pyro means, what I am looking for is exploration and pathfinding, I like the investigations missions, I would love more of them, like find and investigate derelict, get info to locate stolen cargo or an item or something worth money, fighting should always be optional, that is my rant, wanting everything done by players in pyro might not be as fun for all as you think, at least it will not be for me, got enough stress in my life as is.

[@ichitensho7075]

yea id like it if it was more about players providing the recourses instead of npc's infinite supply pool

[@whatasaverl6456]

If you've ever played foxhole, you'd see how cool it is to be part of something where everything you use in game is created by players. If CIG did go the route of making it players responsibility to manufacture, trade and sell the important stuff then it would be sick

[@brickstonesonn9276]

Star citizen players should really check out that game.

[@Stormyy6310]

I think most SC players would come to not like this because clans control everything in Foxhole and you really do not matter at all no matter the efforts you make

[@Fuar11]

Or the economy would crash because the playerbase alone cannot support it. If players could CONTRIBUTE that would be essential for this game's economy. But have only the players do that? I don't think that's good

[@whatasaverl6456]

@Fuar11 would be more the higher grade stuff. I still think the in game market should be able to provide a reasonable quality of everything. But when it comes to wanting more efficiency and higher grade weapons, amo and more durable components, that could be something that makes people have the choice of working for collectively and making collectively. I used Foxhole as an example of just how cool it is to have such a range of in game resources collectively made for a wider cause. isn't the best direct comparison by any means I agree.

[@saltemikereacts]

100% I watch a bit of foxhole content and that got me into anvil empires. Really excited for that.

[@lukeperman7964]

The imagine is strong with this one … good food for thought though. TBH the more they put in the game the more impatient I get for them to finish it

[@charlesvillegas2446]

Coming sooooooonnn!!! Today tomorrow no problem

[@Antares-A]

For fuel grades you need to go all the way back to when they were doing sales BS for the Freelancer DUR and the SF stuff. I no longer give a shit what Pyro is, or is not, Im sick of the excuses and the fails and the delays, I just want jump gates and the blocking tech that lets pyro happen done, because then CIG have far less valid excuses to finally deliver Pyro, and thus fewer excuses for what comes beyond Pyro.

[@xiuhtezcatl8161]

dead scam game. and i need to tell, the most boring box packaging for real money dead game

[@marcfenix148]

Yes, we DO need this great lol

[@Bailey-k2j]

CIG cinematics are so horrible and cringy.

[@Hamisback]

The problem is we can't have players being able to farm and craft everything. Anyone who has played an mmo with a housing system, that allowed farms, mining, etc... will understand. What happens is at the start you'll have alot of people who's sole jobs are either gathering, refining, or crafting. But by the time the game matures, the bulk majority of players will do all those steps themselves, becoming self-sufficient, without needing to interact with the general game economy outside of NPC gold sinks. The only people buying at that point are whales and players who made it rich during the early boom by properly investing. These same players are usually geared out and only interested in rare gear high-end gear that typically mmos lock behind raids/events. Or the occasional sales from the upper-middle wealth players who could do it themesleves but just feeling impatient and want it now as by this point the gold sinks arent effecting them. Ultimately everything becomes inflated in value as the gold rarely leaves the hands of the upper echelon of players and when it does it usually just circulates back into their localized group in the form of raid bid payouts not contributing to a global economy.

[@NoleBuddy-ep3zl]

you just described the world economy

[@HawkHPG]

I dunno. 3.24.1 feels pretty smooth to play. Server performance seems to be the best its evet been.

[@KuraldGalain]

man.. I just want dynamic server meshing to work properly to get decent server performance..

[@MrQuik09]

one thing im scared of with the picking sides in pyro is what if my friends pick something else wuill it lock us out of playing together in pyro

[@Haegemon]

Absolute self-reliance will come after. Pyro being the 2nd system makes that not a thing.