SaltEMike Reacts to Star Citizen Live Q&A: Invictus All-Vehicles

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[@Pr0t0typeSky]

“Every feature takes so long cause we have so many ships” has a small gap of time “lets add a new ship”

[@allhailourmediaoverlords7824]

They finally added a few tiny lights to Port Tressa so its possible to find it in the dark. What a garbage mess this game is.

[@zizhdizzabagus456]

hey could go with modular approach. like make old ships modular and sell em again instead of making new ships

[@CitizenScott]

Aint nobody buyin features on the pledge store...

[@michaelcacace1414]

They need to step back and beef up the online armor shop for good armor they could sell them for 20 to 40$ and it would help out the customization of the game a ton

[@michaelcacace1414]

Agreed the way they generate income (ships) is probably going to burry them alive at the current rate, I've always thought they should swap to 1 cosmetic armor and 2 be able to buy auec to play for things like insurance but the game isn't at that point yet they need to release the expanse and refine medical 1st but I also always thought sc might do well with a crypto so u could buy the crypto auec that could also be held depending om I game economy (also not even close to that point)

[@Haegemon]

The ships that most new players may have are the Aurora and the Mustang Alpha, those should be updated to Gold because these are the first sight for new players while the other ships, corvetes and capital ships are for big whales.

[@Relixification]

I think both aspects are the things they need to assess and get things to gold standard, the starter ships, because what you pointed out, and the corvettes, multi-class gunships and capital fleet ships for end-game organization content.

[@CitizenScott]

But leaving them slightly outdated and janky incentivizes ppl to upgrade...

[@frogger2011ify]

I doubt there are many new players to be had. Space games have a small pool of players, 2/3rds of SC accounts are alts

[@CitizenScott]

@@frogger2011ify source?

[@terrandysart3587]

Starter ships need to be priority. I wonder if they are banking on ppl hating their starters and wanting to upgrade to the nice new shiny gold pass $300 ship. Because that’s not how 80% of the population works.

[@b34k97]

The “what are we doing” is definitely a tick. It’s as he’s mentally moving from “chatting with coworkers” mode to “hosting a show” mode. My wife is always commenting on how I always say “what’s next, what’s next” when I’m like in the shower, or getting ready in the morning. It’s totally unconscious and I don’t even remember having said it.

[@stigmarto]

Sounds like you need a holiday, your body will ask the whats next question because it wants to know when it can stop and rest😂 pro tip listen to it o7 .

[@sharxbyte]

Also he's recovering from a concussion

[@stigmarto]

@@sharxbyte 🤣

[@CitizenScott]

He just thinks it cute.

[@Greg99rock]

Hopefully when enough of the teams have learned each aspect of ship building, they can branch out into equal teams to be the manufactures and pump ships out in lore

[@WhitefoxSpace]

I love the fact that Mike roasts CIG when they deserve to be roasted. There is literally one serious content creator trying to keep them honest.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

It doesn't keep them honest, though.

[@indivestor]

It keeps your mom honest though@@Billy-bc8pk

[@eddyrocksteady1157]

It’s not what you say: It’s how you say it. And unfortunately , how he says it has the effect of CIG taking a horses’s ass more seriously than Salty

[@IXxJordan]

I feel like it will be a Mule variant, probably one that can store more than the box mission boxes. Either that or a variant that has a series of seats on the outside to act like a taxi

[@sidewithwerewolves]

with squadron feature complete hopefully that means the older ships can finally be addressed and they can pump them out separate from the new ships

[@GeneElder.R27]

John Crewe always sound completely uninterested in dealing with the backlog. Those old and busted ships are gunna stay old and busted unless he absolutely has to put a band-aide on it for some new gameplay mechanics, otherwise, your old and busted ship is SOL.

[@terrandysart3587]

It’s already been sold. They made their money already. They will never be top priority lol

[@lordfraybin]

My impression - they have more tech debt than they can fix... It's a lot of work.

[@terrandysart3587]

Ya and it’s not getting better. They’re still doing the “release it and we’ll polish it later. We have to put it out to test.” They put it out to “test” and have 0 intention of touching it again until ppl complain enough. Then they come do a half baked update then add 20 new features that half work. They need a solid 2 years of polishing once they stop adding features to prepare for full release.

[@AnEmortalKid]

Them adding game development aspects to their videos helped me get started with making my own game, cause they always left me thinking "surely it can't be this hard?"

[@pheebs8451]

Totally agree Mike. They would 100% make more cash on ships if they defined the ship gameplay and defined it’s purpose. The lack on information on scanning and exploration as a prime example drives me nuts.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

Most of the features are dependent on tech that wasn't done. Scanning and exploration are/were dependent on features like PES and server meshing, since things have to persist in order to scan for them and retain that data indefinitely so you can explore it or sell it. Every time people complain about CIG's "lack of gameplay", they always highlight how they have absolutely no idea how game design works.

[@cookiejarvis3856]

@@Billy-bc8pk bro people been saying that for over 10 fucking years.

[@Haegemon]

If they make the game a game they would make 1000% more cash.

[@CitizenScott]

Nah they sell more leaving it vague and open to interpretation. Once ppl know "exploration" really just means scanning minerals for miners and such, not finding new uncharted systems, jump points, etc., the sales of "exploration" ships will take a massive dump.

[@Turbovolver]

​@@CitizenScott Yeah, Mike is not wrong that "gameplay sells" but I feel like the game is so far from gameplay that'll sell to the tune of hundreds of millions that they're sort of stuck in the cycle of selling new ships.

[@bobstark4201]

This. This is why I watch your videos Mike. I watch you get mad at things that make me mad so I don't have to, lol.

[@SkintAlot]

The new drake vehicle is gonna be the road sweeper OR the Mule DS

[@The1RandomFool]

I can't wait to see all the people out soloing in their Polaris.

[@kinorynn]

I'll be one of them lol

[@vik12D]

I, too, am pro weewoo lights and its sad they arent there.

[@SnowKing1823]

9:45 They should come out with a standart color scheme for said compagny. But also give us the tools to choose / design our own. Kind of like how they did it with some of the Orison ships. But better and more indepth.

[@falmatrix2r]

Working on the vehicle team must be tough Between bringing old ships up to gold standard, clearing the backlog and having to pump out new ships because marketing needs its ship sale…

[@bobstark4201]

Jared: "Death of a spaceman is coming which brings with it very serious consequences for dying over and over. CIG Marketing Promo for Nursa Rover: "I've died 1000 times, respawn was always the plan thanks to my Ursa Medivac"

[@dr.johnorr3341]

Interesting point. But if we're going from a design perspective, whether they want to admit it or not nobody wants to "waste any effort done" from the old ships. We know what a fuel ship looks like but they are not going to completely throw away any of the work done on the starfarer.

[@Moon920]

@50:10 guy front left, the look on someone's face after working for CIG for 8+ years.

[@psychokevv]

maybe we could use a year entirely dedicated to capital ships lmao I wouldn't mind 2 or 3 capitals over 10-15 little things, if its just 1 year, then hey whats 1 more year in the cooker for star citizen, its already been 10. then we'd have 2 or 3 more capitals, and we wouldn't have to bring them up again for like 5 more years.

[@Haegemon]

Maybe we could use a year entirely dedicated to making the game to work like a game, and later they can add as much ships as they want.

[@thedevilsadvocate98]

Time for learning jared says, more like its the time for earning lmfao

[@Rift_Hawkman]

This is what I would do if I was them. They just showed us the ironclad, so in doing so I would make that the top priority. Put as many as you can on that concept. And release it as soon as possible. That way you set a bar and you show everyone how you will be more serious upon deliveries on ship

[@Diogenes76]

They say marketing does not call the shots and then say they have to have a new ship for each patch and two marketing events. All of these little new ships that don't bring anything new to the game don't excite me anymore. Oh look, another token ship... I hope they can pivot into hanger, base, and ship customization to start funding the game so the ship team can actually spend time on larger feature rich ships. Marketing / accounting is making the calls if they are forcing the team to push out six ships a year.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

Did you miss the part where all these little ships are onboarding tasks for new artists and new ship teams?

[@Diogenes76]

@@Billy-bc8pk Not at all. However, they also need to get to the point to where diverse teams of people can work on a ship together. The churn never stops in game dev.

[@CitizenScott]

Isn't that just deadlines though?

[@Diogenes76]

@@CitizenScott From the deadlines the deliverable goals are made. They are forced to pick smaller ships because they need so many per year. They could not do say two large ships per year because they would not hit the magic six number they need.

[@CitizenScott]

@@Diogenes76 Why not just hire more devs? Seems like that's the real solution. Biggest money maker for CIG but theres like 18 ppl in the whole team? Whats up

[@brssnkl]

29:31 All live service games have this problem to some extend. If someone wishes on a genie and 1.0 releases tomorrow, they will have the same problem in a week when they want to add the next feature. Call of Duty releases a "new game" every year and add that stuff to Warzone but sometimes it is on different engines or sometimes physics gameplay etc are different and they have to re-do a lot of work. It's just that with Star Citizen the extra amount of work they have to keep re-doing is unpresented levels like multiple times more because of their choices like you said :D

[@TairnKA]

The reason your Argo is orange on the inside is, "Maaco" did the paint. ;-D

[@stegy247]

The answer for medical beds, if true, implies that one group wanted gameplay one way, then another group came in and made it a different way, then the first group comes back and returns it to the first way. Is there no plan these guys should be working to?

[@Konokopops]

Mark is the 'thickness' lead, got it

[@PetrosSanctus]

Saddly, I feel the whole bed change just translates into = R.I.P Medical Beacons 😢

[@fatman9994]

For the med bed changes, I see it as what Jared said. A SQ42 director came back and is now pursuing getting it back to where they wanted it. Then when Marketing saw the change coming down the pipeline, their noses smelled money, so they told the ship team they needed to make another t3 med bed ship/vehicle to capitalize on sales and the Nursa fit in perfectly with what people ask for frequently. So I believe he's genuine in the process but skipping over that second part. But I also hate marketing BS so I may just be making them the villain any chance I get

[@rakaydosdraj8405]

Variant+gold standard pass is 200% ships for 150% work.

[@catfunt5583]

They probably don’t make nearly as much money from gold standard ships as they do releasing a new ship

[@rakaydosdraj8405]

@@catfunt5583 they need to gold standard everything eventually.

[@Spartacus2667]

I can’t imagine once the game is out. What will the balance patch be like since they have so many ships and keep adding mote

[@Haegemon]

What balance? You can literally swap components. That cannot be balanced. What will happen is they'll do duplicates for antagonists in their own design styles by ship categories and roles.

[@orthy853]

Ben looks exhausted.

[@Uhpgradde]

If they pushed out basic placeholder base modules and claimable territory for us to fight over, a hand full or placeable resource gatherers, turrets ect we'd have something to do with all these vehicles and empty space.

[@bennyweimer2345]

remember the cat

[@indivestor]

remember your mom

[@terrandysart3587]

I hope we get to the point where variants are just modules. I hate having 5 variants of the same ship

[@justinn5357]

Man I have listened to you for so long and usually I'm with your takes but the way you talk to your twitch audience sometimes makes me say like whoa just take it easy :p. Like "gameplay doesn't make money" is absolutely a fair thing to say when CIG SHOWS "gameplay" at citizen con, then releases ships instead. Sure, they have worked on gameplay along the way because they've had to. However it hasn't been with nearly the same degree of dedication / attention and time that ships get. There's so many glaring issues with the gameplay of the game and further more legitimate questions about how the BASE gameplay mechanics of a 12 year old concept are going to work. How will mines work, how will slaving turrets work, how are you supposed to get 25 people to help crew a ship, let alone 15, or 10, even 5 is a very difficult amount to manage already. What will reward systems look like and gameplay for people who aren't the pilot? There's just so many basic questions that make one say like wow ... they really SEEM to be putting ships BEFORE gameplay.

[@lordfraybin]

Yes... ships before gameplay. That has been the way for over a decade.

[@scottharrisfirestone1390]

I bought a Polaris moments after they said it was coming this year.

[@woodybear3823]

Jesus dude

[@Billy-bc8pk]

@@woodybear3823 What? Would you prefer he spend 200 bucks on Assassin's Creed Compton?

[@catfunt5583]

@@Billy-bc8pk you mean $750? Lol

[@papascronch]

​@@catfunt5583got to spend some time setting up a CCU chain, can have that thing for $400 or less with enough prep

[@heru_ur6017]

There is one born every minute.

[@Ruby_Medic]

I buy the ship because my head creates gameplay. I melt the ship because I can't do that and don't put in new money.

[@velocitiyraptor]

"was there a question thread" was far funnier than it should be to someone who watched this before you did

[@chawkes70]

If only there was a progress tracker with updates.....

[@GhostOfSnuffles]

For me personally i'd gladly pay for several ships for the game if the game was actually a game that worked. Right now it's a bunch of concepts that rarely works for more then a few hours before imploding. Gameplay is always king and God knows they already have more ships in the concept pipeline then they'll be able to deliver on already so perhaps they should start giving players a reason to buy the ships that are already in the game and a sandbox that feels more like a sandbox and less like a cat litter box that hasn't been cleaned in a month.

[@izraphailzero5610]

34:20 how dare he say that while release of Aegis Clownbird

[@jrzgcwrocks]

You know what just dawned on me? some of these employees, probably just do not want to be on camera. Lmao. Which I know I can understand.

[@johnwilliams4198]

I went ahead and traded that free Merlin for the “Nursa”. Let’s see if they ditch respawning now that they have my money. Lol

[@matthewfletcher4627]

Yes brother!! Sell the idea of use.... The ships will sell themselves after that.. Sell the sizzle, not the sausage..

[@ConradLarsonGaming]

"but the Nursa ad said..." And red bull ads say it gives you wings. Ads sell a feeling not reality.

[@starbuck5728]

Sodium Michael speaks the truth. If CIG focused on developing actual fun gameplay and content, more new backers would sign up. There is already a huge rolodex of ships available for purchase. Just need to add the actuao gameplay to them. 3.23 does add some great quality of life improvements but is missing promissed content. Thwy need to continue pumping out content not ships.

[@SkintAlot]

in regards to medical respawn. When you update your respawn point, you literally transfer your DNA profile into the medical computer. Why does range have anything to do with respawning, it makes no sense. To avoid the backspace to remove injury problem, just ensure that if you die with an injury that is above the tier of the bed your are spawning at then you dont get to fix your broken leg for example.

[@papascronch]

I use the cop out answer of sensor ranges and comm array jurisdiction. Comm array won't tell your car to respawn you but it will tell the hospital you didn't have a car close enough to see you die. It's dumb but idk how else to suspend my disbelief lmao

[@AlleniumProductions]

If this is the leadership team and I owned stock, I would sell immediately.

[@Gunnberg85]

1:23:20 If it's Claussen pickles, they actually don't use vinegar so they need to be refrigerated.

[@arcakahn]

Takes way too long to get to things we’re interested in. This is nuts! Who are you talking to? Plz guys, think of us!

[@bigredmarchingon3200]

when is Invictus happening?

[@TimothySnowman]

literally right now.

[@makimera]

Invictus is happening right now

[@SpaceDad42]

Wow…..

[@Gunnberg85]

48:30 I guess the concept artists wouldn't have a "situation" where they're compelled to preserve the original look/feel of a concept ship if they didn't sell an incomplete idea in the first place. OR you can say that this duty of the concept artist was actually built into the process. If the former...well...we all know where that line of thinking leads. But, if the latter, then CIG shouldn't be pointing at it as a burden or crutch when explaining why they don't want to dabble with concept ships THAT WERE ALREADY SOLD rather than make totally new ones.

[@Haegemon]

Exactly that. Features were added on the run. Early ships didn't have physicalized components because that wasn't a think originally. Players could customize their ships through a menu insead of literally having the component behind a panel that you can open to remove the component. Fuel resuply exactly the same. You can now fill your tank with a menu, but it has to become physical like in Squadron42 where dudes fill your tank with a pipe, so ships not used in Squadron need to be edited so these can have an intake. And later programmers are needed to make it work, you know, actual ships have showers but these are yet unfunctional because the gameplay related to that is not coded nor completely figured in the Gameplay Creative Department.

[@Gunnberg85]

@Haegemon It's like a huge chunk of their company model is solely tech debt generation.

[@FN1980a]

I've been high on hopium for the Fattypillar (corvette-sized freighter) so hopefully the Drake concept vehicle is that. Sometimes they use "vehicle" and "ships" interchangably and i don't think a land vehicle as a concept sale makes sense these days as they tend to be straight to flyable. And also, Drake starts on the 25th when lots of wallets gets replentished.

[@MooneShadow]

It would be nice if Skins change the inside as well as the outside.

[@mayoluck]

Only a very few do and when it does it mostly just cockpit stuff and its only a certain paint that a ship has.

[@Birbucifer]

SC desperately needs a separate "ship TLC team" to update all the older ships, kinda like how Wildcard goes back and does TLC updates for old dinos in Ark, or how Paradox has their custodian team that goes back and updates dlc to bring it up to modern standards.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

That's actually a really good suggestion.

[@Haegemon]

These ship Devs pointed the bottleneck is in the code department. 3D artists probably have many assets made during these years completely useless because a mesh is just a bunch of faces and poligons and does nothing in an engine unless it is rigged and coded. The same when concepts are changed or new features have to be included.

[@Blah64]

SaltEMike acting like other studios aren't also project management disasters.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

Cyberpunk 2077 and Skull and Bones definitely say "Hi".

[@y2kboy]

​@@Billy-bc8pk Ark is right behind you.

[@TheKinren]

@@Billy-bc8pk Hello Games

[@CapAm99]

THEY SAID IT BOYZ! Clip it ‘n Ship it. Polaris at IAE 🎉🎉

[@chrislee8126]

when is IAE

[@CodeR3d911]

​@@chrislee8126November

[@arthurtranah747]

November

[@lordfraybin]

You can go look at it right now. It's in the convention hall.

[@CitizenScott]

Who cares.

[@adamclay2161]

A Drake concept??? Interesting

[@coolkid15105ify]

Hi mike

[@legionsblood289]

This Death of a Spaceman thing needs to stop. It's going to go to shit when griefers are just going to shoot you in the face as soon as you go down.

[@sharxbyte]

ME IT'S ME I'M MAD

[@Gunnberg85]

These boys look tired...

[@makimera]

yeha way to tired, those bags under thire eyes. makes you wonder what work conditions they are under.

[@Gigageorge]

@@makimera Yeah those guys are under a lot of pressure. Their colleages jobs depend on them to deliver, the company's income, the community's demands, the backlog, I can't even imagine the stress.

[@SpaceDad42]

Lazy and tired are two different things.

[@Greeniecake]

Hate to say it but I wonder how long this game would have taken a large AAA Company if they had 650 mil and no pressure from share holders etc. I think this would have taken 10 years with maybe 7 star systems or more. I also wonder how experienced the software engineers, network engineers and coders are, so much has broken for 3.23.1 cargo containers disappear so I cant trust them, but ship inventories have taken a huge hit so cant even move my things to a station easily (maybe take 15-20 runs lol). Oh and calling up ships for them to disappear and have to be insurance claimed, and in Orison cannot take off with the Corsair... I really think for CIG to reach 1.0 they will need 15-20 Years (if of course they can get funding for that long), and I doubt they will be able to have all players in the same Universe, meshing will make things better for 100 players per server is my prediction sadly. Anyway good to see a down to earth streamer being honest. Keep up the great work good Sir! o7

[@lolsalad52]

I think you underestimate how much work has been done and how much is in aaa titles, and the amount of money they work with

[@Greeniecake]

@@lolsalad52 Yes, that's why I wonder about it. I did however work as a tester for Eidos Interactive, and studied Computer Science. If I had the cash I would do a professional course in games development in the managerial sense so I can get a better idea. But I have to still say with my limited actual experience I have seen how chaotic and mismanaged games development was back in the late 90's. There was a lot of incompetence and terrible equipment supplied to us as well.

[@treasend4126]

when quantum computers are gaming they and do the new gold standard pass on the whole game and we'll have the game 5 years after there done with that as long as nothing new tech wise is invented in the world by then :P

[@tk0pilot]

Jarred for congress

[@SuperJimBobJoe]

Asking what was wrong with the Roc-DS just felt so out of touch man ngl... A lot of the features that are so difficult to implement now that we have all these ships wouldnt have been such large obstacles if they were just bloody developed before spewing out tons of ships. I typed this out right when Mike said something similar lol

[@I3ladefist]

I'm all with you Mike, more gameplay == more income, period. As we all know, we got basic gameplay and tons of ships @the official store.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

Gameplay is dependent on tech. Please explain how they get in new gameplay without tech without having to waste years refactoring the gameplay?

[@123Andersonev]

you've got medbeds, introducing respawn to improve player retention because nobody likes hopping into game and having to quantum for 10 minutes to get back with your squad and people are complaining, seems lame on the keyboard warriors front, not only that they've got the ship engineering resource dependent game loop, everyone whining about doasm and yet nobody see's how simple it would be to make medbeds resource dependent by forking the engineering resource feature and making it apply to medbeds in the future if you wanted to, instead of fuses you'd be swapping out 'serum' or whatever and imposing respawn limits on medbed tiers.

[@arthurtranah747]

Your the kind of person who either never had to do a legacy EQ corpse run, or you perked off the whole time you were on one. It's a game, it needs to be less like work and more like a game. You wont keep people if they ha e to spend a hour getting together to get 15 min into a mission, die and have to start all over again. Every mmo that had lengthy bs like that did away with it, reality is only a small % of placed have 3 or 4 hours a night to sink into what is supposed to be entertainment.

[@seekerhooligan781]

I don't buy it either Mike. Gameplay matters, AND sells. So, deadlines are the "gameplay teams", all my current ships remain boat anchors as a result of MMs, and we learned that making games is hard. "Cleaning up the 3.23 problems existing currently in our back yard? MM killed ship gameplay? Nah fine" Great talk CIG.

[@CitizenScott]

35:22 Gameplay doesn't make money. SC dev is not at the point that true early access games like Valheim are at when they open their doors to the public. CIG sell ships to fund the development needed to get to where Valheim got. Apples and oranges.

[@mayoluck]

I love how when they where asked, "why where older ships passed up over new ships?" they got so excited and jump all over each other's excuses. Was some real s1mp'n going on.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

Because most of the ships required gameplay that wasn't done or time for ships that contain gameplay that isn't done.

[@TKanal3]

“Simping” bro thats their job

[@trichartfix]

One of the things annoying me rn is i was looking forward to the gold pass and modularity for the retaliator. One of the first bigger purchases i made in game with credits. However now i just have a gunship since i no longer have torpedo bays

[@fajarn7052]

Because you will ruffle some feathers mike, people buy the JPEG, people want the ship that looks like the JPEG. And disagree on gameplay, I was sold on the 100 Star System.

[@angelarch5352]

59:12 he said that "AAA studios take years and years" comparing CIG to other studios... I can guarantee them that NO other game studio ever in history took 12 years to get to early alpha...

[@G0DKILLER_]

and no other game studio has ever tried to do what SC has done OR EVEN GOTTEN this far in what SC has acheieved, GTA is a fucking city 1 FUCKING CITY and it takes them like 8 years and a AAA budget AAA Studio

[@Haegemon]

@@G0DKILLER_ GTA is not procedural, SC is.

[@papascronch]

​@@Haegemon what part of Star citizen is procedural beyond a rock generation and mission generation? When someone says a game is procedural they're typically looking at something like no man's sky

[@Fragnatix]

@@Haegemon yet SC is not procedural, they make the planets and stations by hands with tools, but yet its not a seed to fill the galaxy. It takes too much time for the scooe of the game.

[@terrandysart3587]

Honestly, for how frustrating the ship sale focus model has been. How would have the game looked in an alternate universe where they focused on gameplay. They build the gameplay first. No one pledges to support the game because it takes 5 years to make the gameplay and they run out of money. CiG ceases to exist and we get no star citizen. We have to remember there were 0 investors for a long time at CiG. They did it crowd funded. They had to sell ships, to make the software. They got millions of ppl on board. And now they are delivering gameplay. Is it unorthodox? Absolutely. Definitely different from what we’re used to. But this isn’t EA Bethesda or Ubisoft. They didn’t have the funds to make gameplay first then player experience second. They had to bring in money through amazing visuals and cool ships. Then give those players something to do once they are already invested and have skin in the game. This is kind of how it had to be. Now that they are pivoting we know they understand backers are getting tired of no gameplay. They definitely dragged on way too long with the ship sale system. They should have pivoted to gameplay years ago. But they are finally starting to deliver. And quickly.

[@G0DKILLER_]

why cant we just go into a ship shop and want to have all the colors for our ships then buy the color and then next time u get ur ship its in the color that u selected?, hell if they want us to pay real money for ship colors so be it

[@CitizenScott]

1:13:17 You're not wrong, but this isn't just a CIG issue, it goes pretty deep actually. Gamers in general have become unbelievably jaded and cynical, and the culture is volatile af. Just look at the backlash of gamers actually attacking individual devs at Arrowhead over a decision that Sony made to require players adhere to the stated policies when they bought HD2. Not even about MTX or anything else, just "I didn't read the fine print when I clicked Accept so I shouldn't have to follow through." Whatever side you land on it's obviously ridiculous to react the way people did, and the "we won" ending is just training gamers to be even more toxic. John Crewe recently was hospitalized with a life threatening ulcer, yet backers are still asking the dude directly "BMM when?" and you straight up call the guy a liar in this video. How about stop childishly pointing the finger at "evil" and "predatory" marketing depts and "lying" devs and learn how to act like a human being ffs.

[@henrythornes9723]

Honestly kinda disappointed in how much you'd pause before they finished talking to belittle them when they were just about to answer your question since this SCL felt very candid but a lot of people seem to just ignore what they say

[@darqshark3506]

I largely agree, with "There's only this much work bc we have to retroactively add features" but this is an innovative game. So I think this was kind of inevitable. No other studio has even come close to what Star Citizen wants to be. But to be fair... Star Citizen isn't even close to what it wants to be. Time will tell if they made the right decisions or not.

[@Fragnatix]

Its one of the worst way to develop a software. Think about the use case first, define the design and start prototyping or at least making the first pass in a modular way. So you don't refactor old code. It cost way more refactoring than iterating.

[@Tazytots]

John Crewe himself said back in 2019 that there were only 53 people on the ship team at the time, and that includes artists, engineers, etc. People really need to stop pretending that the ship team is the only team being funded. They have 700 employees. Lmao.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

Yup, plus he repeatedly keeps mentioning about how many people they lost -- last year they were down like 20-something ship team members, so that's pretty crazy.

[@wilddoggamer6167]

I am stuck on him saying "we designed ships that are designed well" just immediately after talking about the starfarer. There is not a ship with a worse design in the game.

[@TacticalBeard]

Perseus gang 💀

[@Schadowofmorning]

no mike, they are not contradicting themselves, you are just conflating two different things: Getting an old ship through the pipeline means adjusting it to modern standards while still preserving the original artists vision, because that is what has been sold to the customers, finding space and preserving the shape for all these new panels, ship components, access hatches, etc. Creating a new variant of a recently completed ship means making smaller adjustments on an already created piece of work, that has recently already been adjusted and looked through by someone propably more experienced with Star Citizens considerations and requirements than the person creating the variant. These are two totally different things, and you conflating those makes me sad.

[@TheRedEyeChannel]

While I understand why you think that the argument of redoing something should be less work than restarting, @saltemikereacts, I don't think you're really giving it an honest look. Be honest, if a teacher asks you to redo your homework, are you going to immediately actualy start from scratch or are you going to look at your previous work that you did, try to figure out what you did wrong, and then try to fix it, copying part of what you did before. You won't know how much you have to redo and if it's just better to scrap the project and restart until you actually look at the project. And any work you do to re-analyze what you did is 'wasted' work that is getting you nowhere. It's something you just have to do. Add to this the fact that the assets are older, that whoever is touching it might be a new person, or so out of practice and unfamiliar, that they have to re-learn what everything is. Imagine opening an older video project and trying to re-acclimate which timelines or layers are what. It makes absolute sense why taking a look back and updating older assets would take more time.

[@AlleniumProductions]

This game is doomed never to see v1.0.

[@ohnegative9526]

Very revealing that this game is a never ending cycle of ship sales and not eager to ever actually finish. This is the same thing that patreon games do. If they ever finished the game people would stop subscribing to the patreon or donating to the cause.

[@DavidOlver]

I'm sorry everyone . Number one they are trapped they have to make ships to make the game. number two we all become very happy when new ships come out. number tree no new ships that means someone comes in with a lot of money and force them to finish the came quickly and that means the game will be shit so we are trapped

[@diva.3641]

ignorant people just like to blab in this guys chat

[@CapAm99]

First ☝️😎

[@vanguze]

Alot of miserable people working damn

[@angelarch5352]

50:48 john crew just said --> they "could work on server meshing OR making the starliner"... but everyone always says THEY ARE DIFFERENT TEAMS! ... what is wrong with these devs, did they all just take stupid pills?!

[@Haegemon]

They are indeed different teams in several levels. FIrst they are diffeent studios across the globe working in different stuff of the same category. Then you got here the 3D artists, the concept creators, the mission designers, the designers of features, and the programmers...and all create bottlenecks on each other's work.

[@angelarch5352]

... i wish they would just skip the first 30 minutes of introducing themselves and describing what their jobs are and what a game is and how many teams there are and who reports to whom... -- I COULD NOT CARE LESS who the hell they are, I want to know WHAT they are doing and WHY! - "How does the vehicle team break down?"... NOBODY CARES JARED! Get to the f--kn point!

[@angelarch5352]

1:13:06 on a scale of 1 to 10, how much do I believe their bs story about respawning? ... 0.000000000000000000000

[@kennethjensen730]

Im so tired of the Bullshit the spit out.

[@craigcas117]

You replied to a player about buying a ship. Wrong way to reply towards your😊 subribers.

[@RobertoLaurelli]

It’s hard to watch you whine so much. You have zero joy. You should drop SC.

[@NightNord]

Gameplay absolutely doesn't sell. All the examples you and the chat gave are outliers. 95% of games don't make nearly as much as SC does per month. EVE in its best year made half of what SC did the same year. And EVE is considered a fairly successful game. Also Valheim, etc - hard to tell what sold them, gameplay or visuals. Gameplay is very risky and I wouldn't bet on the idea that SC would make so much more money if they would make an actual game. For starters - what game? Of all the games CIG have promised. If CIG would make the game they wouldn't be able to run marketing smoke&mirrors promising everything - people would see the actual game and judge it for what it is and not for what it might be

[@Haegemon]

Gameplay is what a game is. A game earnings are counted by number of players, while in SC the earnings are made because some big pockets can spend hundreds in ships which are eye candy but of limited use in a non-game.

[@Fragnatix]

More importantly, everyone tells that there are high CCU player in SC right now. They have a freaking event to connect 3 times in Invictus and receive a prize. "please connect to the game so we can show our investors the game is still popular"

[@mattgoldstone8350]

less talking more working on the game pls it needs so much love to be wasting time on this crap.