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[@Dorm_]

Really nice of Elliot to come in chat and answer a few important questions, thank you Elliot!

[@poposterous236]

the fact that people thought we would see base building in 3.23 should be a mark of shame against this whole community. We should know better than that. How embarrassing.

[@Ogata123]

Peeps thinking we’ll get base building, and im here doubting we even see all of 3.23 by year end

[@CrazyBloo]

i doubt we will see base building for years, i dont even understand how it would work with the game right now, we would need server selection or something

[@helloitsjay38]

Was that a widespread belief? I hadn't seen anything about it on Reddits?

[@Ogata123]

@@helloitsjay38saw it in game chat a lot, along with peeps thinking we’d see the polaris with 3.23

[@Billy-bc8pk]

@@Ogata123 Polaris might still be a 3.23.x patch -- they finished grey box in like February? So that means they should have been doing polish and final art in March. Damage models and LODs in April. It could be squeezing it tight but it might be able to make Invictus in May with a bit of crunch.

[@OfficialSlippedHalo]

25:00 I think its actually good that tracked cargo doesn't appear in a scan. This increases the risk a pirate takes when attempting to loot cargo, and it actually creates a viable reason for actual communication in a pirate/trader interaction, as in a cargo hauler can tell them "look I've only got tracked cargo, can I just give you X amount so I can be on my way, this is useless to you" might lead to pirates being less agressive with players, but also they might want to check for a bluff.

[@jspades007]

Based on the updated exterior images of the Connie last ISC, I bet that's what "legacy ship" they've worked on.

[@lord_alderaan9283]

Legionnaire(white box) should work with Stations, 890 Jump, Hammerhead, Zeus(grey box), Raft, 400i, Corsair, Polaris(grey box?), Apollo(white/grey box?), Reclaimer, Hull C, Carrack, Idris, Retaliator(gold pass), Cutlass Red/Blue, Constellation and Caterpillar. It would just require CIG to do a pass on all docking collars small and large. Don't forget that the Legionnaires collar connects to both types of docking collars.

[@CitizenScott]

Just wanna thank Elliott for taking time away from breaking the game to answer some questions. 🤙

[@casoblantly]

Youve really brought me around with the quality of these videos and breakdowns. I think you have a genuinely valuable point of view and input, I'm glad I've stuck around. Thanks for your thoughts and time

[@romain13100]

Thank you Mike for your videos and your keen observations, thank you Elliot for your participation! I can't wait to see more about base building!

[@CaptForay]

Elliot coming in clutch with those cargo answers! ❤

[@IIITangentIII]

The only thing myself and many others cared about in this patch was the hangars and cargo. Of course that's one of the main things missing from the patch...

[@Nitrox_909]

womp womp

[@wertacus]

General rule of thumb is to be hype for the patch after the next one. I can't wait for 3.23.1 😂

[@IIITangentIII]

@@wertacus valid

[@Dr_Chandra]

my guess, personal hangars and Cargo elevators are not in 3.23 like in good old CIG patch announcements 😂

[@LocalAlpha]

For the cargo delivery, seeing that they made the "tracked" cargo a thing, which means sold for a lesser price, it would be nice if cargo haulers could also track their shipments for a fee. So you could buy just the cargo, or you can buy the cargo and pay money on top to make it tracked. Would be very good if the cargo was really tracked with beacons visible to you, but sharable. This would mean that if you are pirated: 1. You can claim to pirates that your cargo is tracked, which would mean less profit for the attackers. 2. If you get pirated, you can still track the boxes, which means you can hire bounty hunters and mercenaries to locate and retrieve it. This is already a good dynamic gameplay expansion, and while I was typing this, I developed the idea even further. Data heist in the future (data heist is a very broad concept, this could be one possible for cargo data heist) could mean stealing cargo tracking data, giving access to the cargo beacons to any other players other than the buyer himself. Let's say the cargo hauler buys commodities in system A, and needs to haul it to system C, the price of tracking depends on the distance, so he purchases the tracking from A to C, which means he is doing a long profitable run through systems A-B-C. If someone makes a data heist mission and accesses a terminal used by a logistics company, they could get access to the cargo hauler beacons, steal that data, use it or sell it to other players. The user of the stolen data gets access to personal cargo beacons, as well knows the distance of the tracking that was bought by the hauler (he knows that the cargo has tracking in systems A, B and C, because that is what the hauler payed for), so thief/thief's client is able to track the beacons of cargo containers live, and he knows the intended route. It doesn't stop the hauler from changing the route, but the end pirate can set up an ambush or smth like that on the route of the hauler. Of course hauler is unaware that he is being tracked, but he receives a message that in the system he bought his cargo from a logistics terminal has been hacked and the data was stolen, so he can take measures to lessen the chance of being pirated by doing a detour through an untracked area.

[@TheMonkey55]

Cargo mission goods could be in branded boxes as well - "Microtech bannered boxes are all blue with the logo on them, regardless of whats inside"

[@sloptrick]

“Legacy ship” - Freelancer? We know (or at least they’ve said) they’ve worked on it some to get it ready for physical components. And it could definitely use some improvements to its dash ;)

[@Cab8819]

I just want to know if there will be Personal missions specifically for the Cargo shipment missions. I want a genuine incentive for eacort beacons, beyond players having the forethought to insure against the random risk of interdiction and player pirates.

[@kibbty]

Dash, cockpit, and exterior housing are probably for the hornet mk1 gold standard pass. The mfd is separate from the canopy, they clip through each other often. Also the ladder clips through the external housing of the intake vent.

[@Keithsciguy]

"fixed AI standing on chair" is cigs version of "removed Herobrine" except I've seen ai standing on chair's

[@Casey093]

Are they already in crunch/radiosilence mode for citcon? It is barely summer, and they already save material for late autumn? xD

[@CecilMerrell]

So far during my testing, I haven't seen a single ai standing on seats, just on tables and bars lol

[@Zorrinde]

Ill go off topic here. Just want to comment on the fact that Mike and Elliot interact. There are so many levels here. The fact that a CIG member decides to interact with a streamer The Fact that Mike is very sharp and not always friendly. But sericeous and respectful!!! The fact that the chat interacts too. The fact that there are subjects that are highly active and important. .... I cant stop thinking they both need more kudos . . . I can only upvote once but i can encourage others to do the same. I don't upvote often. I do upvote this. Its more than worth it. Thanx ELLIOT and MIKE for all the good work you both do to this dam game.

[@havocnchoas]

Wave 1! Gib hangars...

[@asheglenn]

Very last bit of code in the game is going to need to be "if chair then sit"

[@PvtDamion]

I'm thinking that maybe the people working on racing, instead of working on branded fight suits, should work on an ability to spawn racing vehicles at circuits (maybe even get a respawn point for deaths at "activated race track" only). Can't wait for my Zeus!

[@quinnrobinson9238]

From what I understand in the monthly report on the topic of hauling missions I heard it as the backend portion of it is complete and the front end art assets and setup need to be made now. So all the logic and code dictating how the missions work inside the game is all ready now they have to use their internal tools to put together design and dictate what each individual mission will be and how it'll be presented to the player.

[@the_babbleboom]

there is so much they could do just to improve delivery missions, but they don't even work normally half the time. we still get no racks with designated delivery box holds, still no ingame tools to optimize routing. even with the new UI and "map app". it's just "looks" all around and the little functionality that is added is so bare minimum, no other community would even give them credit for only now delivering that much.

[@the_babbleboom]

also what's up with these stupid "satellite" missions. ok so we can "deploy" a little package in space, which pays f*** all. why not a 1SCU sized scanner object? satellite or ground based? or a multiple of those? with a mission trigger for others to maybe (illegally) blow them up or read their data using one of the tigerclaws or whatever they're called now?

[@the_babbleboom]

also ffs just update "garbage retrieval". nobody wants to fight off a horde of ninetails and their reinforcement ship just to pick up 3k worth of handheld garbage boxes. just make *something* with that which isn't what it is now. there is no way you can make it any worse than what it currently is. no newbie taking up a low pay mission to figure out how the game works appreciates being send into a hostile outpost with a cutlass coming in that wrecks their little stinking starter ship while landed.

[@richardmueller2635]

the more i think about it, im fine with autoloading or off-loading taking a while. give people a reason to visit the local dive bar/cantina to kill time, and populate stations/ground destinations. there isnt a real reason for anyone to be at the bar on stations unless you are RP'n it. auto-loading/offloading should be a time sink. (thinking what it was like in SW Galaxies, where you'd get 30min buffs from watching players dance and/or listening to players play an instrument for at least 10mins while inside a cantina in any town/city, cantinas were always mad busy, full of players and a place to hear local gossip)

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

I think the legionaire will probably have magnetics to latch on to any hatch and boarders will have to hack or cut their way into their target ship

[@TheChronicToast]

Audio spike at 2:51 so watch out for your ear drums.

[@saltemikereacts]

ugh again. This is 100% a YT thing I am so sorry. I cant prevent it.

[@karl___marx]

no updates on the polaris?

[@h3llofademon]

So are persistent hangars and server meshing delayed or not? I saw a video saying that they are but it wasn't mentioned in the report

[@CobusGreyling]

My guess is 3.23's personal hangers have gone to live on the farm upstate...

[@sleepfishl]

Pirates usually camp well known trade routes anyway ... hauling missions surely have different routes that surely don't align with those super high profit routes.

[@hatac]

I'm in Australia. 2 min delays can happen. Someone keeps starting wars where the cables are or putting the cables too close to volcanoes.

[@MILSPECMOM]

Would love the ability to display our Org logo's on ships and in hangars! :) o7

[@vincenzosparks2516]

Erkul has support for Same sized weapon on gimbals on their 3.23 patch! Is this in wave 1?

[@saltemikereacts]

Shouold be, sorry for the late reply.

[@ericweeks8386]

2957 is looking like a firm possible release date for Squadron.

[@vast634]

Last time I visited Hurston, there where 20 people on a bar table.... No, they did not fix this seemingly trivial bug.

[@Kamidake83]

@4:43 Maybe the reclaimer?

[@hatac]

Piracy can be a pain for cargo haulers if your facing server lag problems and time zones mean you can get friends or org mates to do escort. You get jumped to fast and shields melt before you can do anything. getting robbed in a game is fun perhaps once. One solution is NPC freighters for the pirates to chase. Another is to add a bribe pod that has value and buys the pirate off. Booby trapped cargo may create an interesting solution.

[@standbyal1990]

10%-20% Is pretty normal for our truck driving.

[@Diogenes76]

I have been playing a lot of a game called snowrunner and it should be a model for industrial gameplay in SC.

[@artopiiparinen1778]

How the hell do you load Carrak?

[@Alopen-xb1rb]

While I am concerned about engineering, Cargo hauling finally peaked my interest. I am assuming these missions do not have huge buy ins to take the mission like salvage. Got really tired of paying for a salvage mission only to 30K on the way to the mission😢.

[@psychokevv]

they already said they began theory crafting for base building, they are just rerunning news pretty much to buy time until 3.23, not like it really matters to them when it releases though, we haven't got an update since December and it was a small one at best

[@romanwiller2180]

21:56 I hope that amount is lower than the 20% payout, otherwise there is no point in delivering the goods as contracted. Unless they require a collateral payment to accept the mission or something.

[@sharxbyte]

Mike: I don't believe you, and I don't have faith in you." My fiancee: Why is Mike SOOOOO Dramatic. I know I've said those exact words." 😂❤

[@mdsf01]

Great work Mike. Those who want the news watch other YTubers. Those of us who want answers watch Mike, who analyzes and decontructs what CIG tells us. That's why even devs follow him. BTW, what happened to the Thanks option?

[@saltemikereacts]

It should be there? But the comment is awesome enough!

[@mdsf01]

@@saltemikereacts Thanks Mike. ComStar here... Unfortunately, the Thanks button is not appearing. :(

[@mitcharbiter3371]

So true! 👍

[@militarymaster07]

Pirates shouldn't be able to see if it's tracked or not. That'll have to be the risk of illegal acts.

[@GeneralHiro]

The cargo tracking is interesting. I wonder if cargo traders will be able to add “shipment tracking” for a substantial fee 🤔 essentially a different way to give up some profit for some currency protection 🤔

[@GeneralHiro]

Ooooooo yeah then if the cargo ship carrying it is disabled or destroyed then the cargo tracker activates and a “rescue cargo” beacon is created for bounty hunters or other “police” type players to go and get it back before it’s unloaded. 🤔

[@GeneralHiro]

No gaurentee you get your stuff back just a better opportunity to 🤔

[@GhostofZuuzGaming]

is the new flight model for in atmosphere in 3.23?

[@Cplblue]

No

[@toxiwoxi1806]

One thing I still find a shame is that the Hull C is still not properly balanced because the C2 still makes more money, which I find strange.

[@MishaDark]

Legacy ship getting work might be Connie, if its RSI. It has been confirmed to be getting a brush up or rework or something, right?

[@Xenon676]

The hangars are the joke of 2024. We might see them next year.

[@SkywallGuttz]

I feel like I'm still gonna QT upside down into A18 with the reclaimer. Also Astro Armada is gonna have the entire A18 NPC list standing on stairs. Is EVA actually better because I haven't seen anyone actually try to enter a ship with the new system.

[@vast634]

Instead of removing landing pads, they should double down on them. This is where you meet other people and their ships. Not in some enclosed hangar.

[@benthomson1132]

We definitely need both!

[@Saturn-6]

My fps has tanked on the eptu i hope it gets better for live

[@eXponentia]

Legionnaire could simply have a way to hack all external entries open and force them to stay open for instance.

[@Anachroschism]

Standing on chairs is just going to be one of those things they're unlikely to fix until server performance is fixed.

[@mayoluck]

I was playing New World last night and my character was T posing... guess what NW uses the same game engine.... i dont think some of these bugs will ever go away.

[@Anachroschism]

@@mayoluck there is not a lot similar between the two engines now. T-posing isn't the same as standing on chairs, and can be for many reasons, such as no default animation assigned, or an error in the animation, but very unlikely the same problem . Standing on chairs is likely a network, path processing, or location processing issue, or all the above.

[@tylersutherland6492]

Salty Mike the Pic of the ‘Legacy ship’ is, I’m 95% sure, The Connie 🎉

[@nukeboxgames]

Its been confirmed to be the Zeus

[@tylersutherland6492]

@@nukeboxgames where has it been confirmed?

[@The_Huntress]

Mike is really good at highlighting text and skipping it. lol

[@MaybeAnnatar]

Jake confirmed on Reddit that the picture in the monthly report was the Zeus

[@kevsky3d]

Nothing to do with SC but i have a delay when I watch while I work due to the VPN but its only 10 seconds or so.

[@TairnKA]

If I understand correctly (probably not) if the cargo is being tracked, then Pirates will avoid it? If a Pirate ship scans me it shouldn't indicate if it's tracked cargo or not. A Pirate can only determine if the cargo is tracked, if it's scanned by a tractor beam, thus the Pirate must board the cargo ship (if permitted).

[@soaphelps]

and that intern exposes them to being KOS once they board. more danger for them is a good thing.

[@cyberchrist6808]

22:06 "pirates mad" as a pirate im not mad, weve already been at a loss on price selling stolen goods, if anything im excited because if it is "significantly reduced" then unfortunately for my victims we are going to need to haul/demand more to cover the difference ;0

[@bloodnmetal]

it kinda makes no sense the tractor beam showing you have contract goods while the SCAN doesn't.

[@Diogenes76]

A tractor beam is closer and unshielded? Maybe can just read the stickers on the crates for all we know.

[@Rigovran]

Hopefully working Carrack and Caterpillar. Maybe give us a Liberator.

[@zenairzulu1378]

Just to be that guy they should remove the chairs from the stations untill they can fix standing 🐛

[@nosir5596]

Mike was kinda on the point wrt it feeling like they don't tell us as much. The vague "legacy ship" stuff is annoying; just tell us what ship it is. It's not exactly surprising that most of the monthly report is stuff we're seeing in 3.23, ofc, but other than the brief mention of basebuilding and the talk about engineering (which was... not reassuring; 10 ships? In the six months since Citcon?) there's surprisingly little forward-looking stuff here. Monthly reports have often been a way to gauge what's coming *after* whatever patch is currently in the pipeline but other than "4.0" maybe sometime this year, it's hard to glean what their actual plan is after 3.23. The transit refactor also kinda made me lol bc one of the 3.18 postmortem things was about how they *already* had to refactor the whole transit system for PES and now here we are again. Every fucking year they completely refactor the transit system and it never gets better. I also absolutely hate how they're handling cargo missions. Everything they talked about before is basically out the window, it's still commodity hauling; there's no sense of hauling different consumer goods or anything, just the same raw materials we already move around, just without buying them. It's unimaginative, it doesn't take distance or danger into account in the slightest, and it's driven home by the fact that they clearly see it as a gateway to commodity trading rather than a loop in its own right as it was always meant to be. This is what 1.0 is, clearly. Scrapping old plans, very slightly fleshing out what's already here and funneling people into stuff they've already developed, and phoning it in as hard as possible to get some version of "complete" whether it makes sense or not. The model they describe still leaves cargo hauling as a zero sum game of Volume Above All Else. If you get 20% of the value, you take the highest value cargo and you take the highest amount you can. Just like we do now. No room for small haulers, no room for low-volume/high-value trading. It's literally what we have now, without the buy in cost.

[@angelsideuk6197]

Honestly of all the things added ammo pooling is my least favourite

[@TiredEyeBags]

Legacy RSI ship would probably be the Conny i imagine or maybe thats just wishful thinking

[@alexpetrov8871]

24:00 "tracking commodities" - Stolen commodities don't need to be "tracked". If you can't provide evidence that you bought them legally - you can't sell them on the market and have to sell cheap to fence or throw them out. It is the Beatiful Future Digital World, everything is in the system.

[@lovelybitofsquirrel8272]

when it comes to the piracy thing I think pirates should try not to shoot on sight and loot second. they should try talking to the pilot first and then pirate if they think it's worth the risk

[@robertsavello4120]

NPC's standing on chairs is just so star citizen at this point, they shouldn't even waste time trying to fix it. just build it into the lore and be done with it.

[@D-rizzy31]

Nothing will stop piracy

[@remedize]

Tracked cargo will just make me lean towards extortion rather than pirating the cargo.

[@user-te3bs7vp3p]

All I can say is I just feel sorry for the developers having to put up with C. I. G. I don't care if this game finally comes out.They screwed up so many times and wasted so much money as well as those who play the game. They are controlled by Shareholders now and are more greedy than ever. There is no community whatsoever in this game. It's just a bunch of mini-games. Slap together in a so-called MMO. Indie games is where it's at in the future because these Big companies just don't have passion for gaming. It's only a business for making money. Slaves are these development teams to these corporate bigots.

[@LargeGamer1]

Its really hard to be optimistic about 3.23 honestly. For them bringing over "years of work from SQ42 into the PU", what exactly are we getting? A half finished UI overhaul? A few new mechanics that still wont work properly and won't actually be fun because the AI is broken because the server FPS is so poor? Like Mike said, why haven't we seen the cargo elevators or hangars yet if we're supposedly getting them next month? It feels like people are setting themselves up for disappointment. I want to be optimistic, seriously, I do, but I have seen absolutely nothing in this patch that is going to actually make SC feel like a game rather than a space chore tech demo. A few updated mechanics to use on the same tired locations with the same boring missions with the same non existent AI with the same old bugs that have existed for years at this point (and probably some new ones to go along with those old ones)

[@RespiteofChampions]

Wow. Want some extra lemon with that sourness? Want some more black eyeliner with all that emo negativity?

[@user-ju5gf5nz4k]

@16:27 BIG BONER

[@dpo2826]

First

[@TheLevitatingChin]

Scrot rot AI

[@laduzitv5019]

Can you stop skipping segments please? I like these videos. I watch this so I don’t have to read it and I like to hear it verbally but I think I may just start reading them myself instead.

[@RAYQUAZA_X]

Use windows narrator

[@SultanDesync]

I struggle to find enthusiasm for anything they're working what's in it 3.23 so far shows such bad design decisions. Faith. I ran out.

[@Turican76]

Es heißt ZEUS und nicht süüüß

[@woodybear3823]

Boooriinnggg

[@LifesMike]

Every week you guys eat up the most nonsense bs they put out. The game hasnt changed in almost 3 years, laser beam gameplay copy paste, npcs dont function and players combat log

[@itsbadlols]

this guy turned into the guy with the worst takes xD scrub

[@xxxsu8z3r0xxx6]

Lame I’m second