Tom is a legend. He sent you many thousands of dollars in parts for nothing. I admire his generosity and respect his commitment to keeping all of the original documents and parts.
@thezfunk Жыл бұрын
I hope Sam paid for shipping
@dizcret Жыл бұрын
Hope he sends him at least a gift card to take his family out to a nice dinner... Sam... ..SAMM?? ;)
@ares9304 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, most people would've sold this stuff to get money back from the robbery the insurance company probably committed. Sending this stuff to the next owner simply because they belong to the car is a rare move.
@macbook802 Жыл бұрын
He never said for nothing
@GeorgioSubs Жыл бұрын
@@macbook802 He said Tom "gave" it to him. No one says I went down to Best Buy and they gave me a Macbook after I paid them $1000.
@Ratarossa Жыл бұрын
Tom is the most thorough Ferrari owner I’ve seen. His documentation was superb to see. The fire mystery continues …. Either way this is going to be one stunning low mileage 430 to enjoy.
@allenk946 Жыл бұрын
Love ya Ratarossa your knowledge of Ferraris is unmatched
@O.O85 Жыл бұрын
Did someone switch their old pumps and send the old ones back to the supplier? So need fitted an old leaky pump? I’ve had this exact issue with parts before 😮
@TwistedSix85 Жыл бұрын
Correct me if I’m wrong here but if you watch this video there was no green oring under the new fuel pump collar when he installed it. There was clearly a green oring when the old one came off. If you see what I saw let him know before it catches on fire again.
@honkbob Жыл бұрын
Please make a video of you replacing your old pumps, Mr. Ratarossa.
@liamegan4303 Жыл бұрын
Your a Legend Scott. Hurry up with a video. We miss you bro. 😅 🇨🇮🇨🇮
@ApocalypseNowWithEli Жыл бұрын
Tom is my uncle and a pretty amazing guy. Doesn’t surprise me he did this. He’s more than generous which is pretty freaking obvious from the video. Hope you’re well Uncle Tom. Cya at Turkey Day. You’re gonna love my new Porsche. Love you.
@0o0-D1 Жыл бұрын
Sure he is mate. Everyone just loves jumping on someone else’s bandwagon
@0o0-D1 Жыл бұрын
You used this opportunity to talk rubbish about yourself with FAKE UNCLE TOM. Hahaha you little piggy 🐷 oink oink
@hairymoobs Жыл бұрын
Hey, Tom is my uncle too 🤔
@HKG36Kc Жыл бұрын
Tom is the car guy of car guys. We all aspire to be Tom. Generous to a fault.
@viniciusvbf22 Жыл бұрын
I thought Bob was your uncle!
@OldBlue560 Жыл бұрын
I love it when people keep the original parts.
@muskokamike127 Жыл бұрын
I belong to a motorcycle group on facebook and there's always customized bikes for sale and rarely do they include the factory parts. I tell em all: KEEP YOUR STOCK PARTS because just because YOU love what you did to YOUR bike, the next guy might not. Having the stock parts allows the new buyer to return it to stock and or do his own thing.
@DIARRHEA-PANIC Жыл бұрын
I had the exhaust replaced on a car and the installer said, "Why do you want to keep the old exhaust? Just to take up room in your garage for 20 years, then another 20 for the next owner..?" I said, yeah exactly 😊👍
@muskokamike127 Жыл бұрын
@@DIARRHEA-PANIC ....because on some vehicles, that increases the value by having it all original. Is it taking up more room than your kid's big wheel? or the clothes you wore in college?
@philtucker1224 Жыл бұрын
Two masters chest jousting. Great fun and both guys have achieved an excellent outcome despite out of control make egos. Well done boys!
@Speedy.V Жыл бұрын
Tom was sold the old part. New pump failed due to filling up to full on tanks. The car wizard said it in one of his videos about fuel pumps failing due to fueling top off. The parts guy remembered because he knows that he screwed the guy. Fault is still on Ferrrari for having shitty parts.Tom being so meticulous tells me he installed it better than what a dealer would do.
@icandreamstream Жыл бұрын
I agree 100%. That was my exact read on the situation.
@ianmontgomery7534 Жыл бұрын
Didn't the Car Wizard use a different brand of fuel pump as his replacement?
@ndmac440 Жыл бұрын
One thought I had was that the "new" pump was someone else's return that was not properly checked before being added back to the seller's inventory.
@shaunwhitmore3291 Жыл бұрын
But with the guy being exacting. Wouldn’t he notice the part no being incorrect before installing it?
@realityhitsmehardbro Жыл бұрын
@@shaunwhitmore3291Not if he didn't know what the correct part looked like.
@dancantu5198 Жыл бұрын
Hi Sam. The mystery fire was more than likely caused by leaking fuel vapor, not the liquified fuel. There's a high probability that the vapor was escaping the newly installed pump/tank housing. Topping off the tank was the beginning of the end. If the tank was filled halfway, the vapor stays inside the tank. However, the heat of the engine combined with a full tank is a recipe for disaster. The thump the driver heard was more than likely the vapor igniting. What's unique about gas vapor, it can ignite with ANY spark or static in the engine bay. I say this from experience as a member of the Fiat 124 Sport Spider Fire Brigade. Take care.
@jasonharris3873 Жыл бұрын
I would totally agree with the vapor catching and causing a loud whoosh sound. Maybe old fuel soaked wire shielding that just took the engine heating up to ignite. Engine bay heat soaks when you stop the engine to fill up.
@ianmontgomery7534 Жыл бұрын
yeah you can throw a match in to liquid petrol and it won't burn but vapours loves to ignite.
@maddycatgamer83 Жыл бұрын
Same thought, vapor ignition. Maybe exacerbated by an over fill situation.
@benmac940 Жыл бұрын
Just what I was thinking the filling up the tanks to maximum capacity is the key part of that letter I think. Poor seal some how for some reason.
@dennisfahey2379 Жыл бұрын
Vapor certainly but look at the electrical connector area. It seems more charred than the surrounding plastic. I have to wonder if there was a ring vapor leak (is there an O-Ring?) and the power connector was flooded and sparked. Really dumb to have the power connector parallel to an area that can be encroached with fluid/vapor.
@benpenagonzales6014 Жыл бұрын
You and Scott have a bond that you just can’t manufacture. Love it
@robsdeviceunknown Жыл бұрын
The real hero is Tom. That was insanely kind and cool of him to send you all that stuff vs. just selling it himself.
@TheRelaxn Жыл бұрын
1 thing I'd like to say: when you pump the gas into the car's tank, it is coming from the station's storage tank underground which is colder. If the car's tank is filled completely full, it will gain pressure when the fuel heats up & could result in the failure of the top assembly of the Ferrari's fuel pump.
@DC-si8xw Жыл бұрын
i dont think it could super heat enough, and the fuel system has a vent.
@plektosgaming Жыл бұрын
@@DC-si8xw Damaged vent/vapor recovery system, old brittle plastic and boom - the ring cracks and all the fuel which is now under pressure sprays out. From what I've gathered, the entire fuel system in these cars is barely better than a VW Bug. Seriously borderline engineering that's needlessly complex. Note that on most other cars, such a fault would result in an error code and vapor lock/very poor running. But on a Ferrari? Eject fuel pumps, please.
@HyperVectra Жыл бұрын
@TheRelaxn Good point. Every extra degree Celsius between the storage tank and the car with 22 gal of fuel would be 2.72 fluid oz extra.
@Choober65 Жыл бұрын
Not to ment the fact the fuel tanks are plastic, which stretches.
@craighaney8829 Жыл бұрын
Tom is a REAL car guy. Not only did he save all the original parts but he sent them on to the new owner; instead of selling them. A real purest. CUDOS. As far as the fire goes, my money is on fuel that leaked prior to the repair (He was afraid to drive the car without repair) probably sitting inside the loom of the wiring harneses or somewhere similar then once the car heated up.... Bang and fire. The second fire was obviously a continuation of the first probably from the foam insulation smouldering or reignighting due to the metal still being hot or sparked by a wire that was burned in the original fire.
@jamesdunn3387 Жыл бұрын
This is my bet as well; old fuel from before the repair caused the fire. A bottle of dish soap and the garden hose may have saved the day after a fuel system repair. But it is still terrifying that Ferrari sold a "new" part that looks just like the old part.
@Telecasterland Жыл бұрын
The owner was SO kind. I am supremely proud of their stewardship.
@0o0-D1 Жыл бұрын
Bootlicking going good I see
@Globbs Жыл бұрын
@@0o0-D1 Why do i see so many negative comments from you? are you ok? do you need someone to be proud of you too?
@Avetho Жыл бұрын
@@Globbs I think their father left them and their mother doesn't love them. They just give off that vibe, you know?
@patricksewell2010 Жыл бұрын
Speaking from experience, I'm pretty sure I know exactly what happened with the mysterious new / upgraded fuel pump. The pump that was purchased was actually a returned one that had the preexisting issue and someone just polished it up nicely and returned it keeping the new one and also got their money back. Its a scam that happens at all our local parts stores and the kids who "quality check" the returns are making min wage, so we all know how much effort they put into checking an item before restocking...
@ndmac440 Жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly.
@crherniman Жыл бұрын
I'd bet this is the case. Someone probably purchased a replacement pump installed it and then shortly after they did the revised pump was released. Replaced then again, put the recently replaced pump in new box and returned. Which would explain the double checking part number (on the box)
@mtbbiker6401 Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't there be a part # molded on the part itself?
@PyreRecords Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t wanna face the good lord knowing I scammed people like that… it cost someone his car and had it gone differently maybe his life..
@robblack7560 Жыл бұрын
that makes perfect sense, good point.
@ItsLowKeyLoki Жыл бұрын
Looking at the charred pump and hearing the story I have a suspicion that the fuel line popped off the pump housings output. If you look at the charred pump it looks like there was no fuel line attached during the fire(based on where char and melt is). If a fuel line was fully attached then the connection wouldn't be burned the same way the bowl part is that normally leaks. My theory is that the fuel line popped off spraying fuel everywhere and igniting when coming in contact with the exhaust, my theory comes from the "thud" sound, the misfire right after(not getting fuel from there anymore) and the condition of the pump that burned.
@wondermaid6452 Жыл бұрын
The fact that Tom sent all those parts to Sam and the fact that he kept his log book up to date, tells you why he could buy a Ferrari new and we cannot. Just a different league of people with class and manners
@bryangilmer671 Жыл бұрын
You misspelled “money”
@432b86ed Жыл бұрын
gONNA take my inheritince n git m e some a dat class and maners. Kidding aside, Tom _is_ clearly a class act with a thoughtful heart.
@Africatwinrider1 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately not all people with money have class and manners or even intelligence and common sense
@vaibhavdlv Жыл бұрын
@@Africatwinrider1 True, here in town we have many land-minister millionaires, driving recklessly with their Audi/Skoda/JLRs, and occasionally crashing into a tree or light-pole!
@goltzhar Жыл бұрын
A huge thanx to the previous owner for supplying all those parts and, for what I consider the best part, is the documentation. That is worth thousands of dollars. The previous owner of that car should be awarded "Ferrari owner of the Year". That guy is so F-ing great I would really like to meet him. For someone to care so much and do so much for his car is unbelievable. That guy is probably what Ferrari would like every Ferrari owner should be... but its not.... And... really good video. Thank you very much Sam
@ShanesAutos Жыл бұрын
Very impressive record Tom kept. As a fan of the F430 I’d probably do the same. Tom is definitely the kinda guy you’d want to buy a car off.
@Peter-ch6dg Жыл бұрын
Just a random thought, I’ve had a couple of tanks that have had problems of leaking that started with a large bang before it started leaking, 1 was due to a dodgy “temporary” repair and 3 were due to the tanks pressurising during filling from blocked breathers. But I’m not too sure on how the Ferrari system is but it’s just a thought.
@frankmellor2028 Жыл бұрын
The picture of burning F355 that was shown in the video was my car. A fuel line in the engine bay was rubbing against one of its clips and wore through. The accident happened in 2010 at Honister Pass in the Lake District in the UK. Italian design, Fiat build quality!
@Ratarossa Жыл бұрын
Hey Frank, hope you are well buddy. Bought any other Ferraris since my old 355 went up in flames ?
@frankmellor2028 Жыл бұрын
@@Ratarossa Wow, long time no speak. 😎 I bought a ex driving experience 360 Spider after the 355 went flambé on me. It was a project car that I ran and repaired over several years. It was off the road more than it was in the road. I used to joke that every time I drove it, it cost me a grand (thinking back, maybe it wasn't a joke) 😂😂😂 I've retired in the Philippines so no more Ferraris for me as the import tax makes exotic cars 3 to 4 times more expensive in the Philippines than in the UK. Imagine having to pay £200,000 for a F430. Yeesh. 😜
@darylnicklen3685 Жыл бұрын
Not only is Tom a great Ferrari owner who obviously cherished this car he is a generous man who realized all the parts from this car deserve to be with the car.
@ndivhorambau1149 Жыл бұрын
been here since the RS7 days, can’t wait to see what you have in stores for the channel
@ToasterCoasterAdventures Жыл бұрын
The giveaway here is the burnt output fitting on the pump top, if it cracked around the fitting, the car side of the fuel hose would be melted on that output fitting, for this output fitting to be melted like this, the car side must have not been seated and popped off, that could have been the thump, the hose popping off under pressure, Good on Tom, what a great guy, be Kool for him to come take it for a drive, Watching from Australia, glad to see your content back and better than ever
@chargeron3115 Жыл бұрын
Sam, this was undoubtably one of the most entertaining and intriguing videos you've ever put out! The background story was amazing. Love the channel!
@mfl950 Жыл бұрын
Take this as a compliment, I have seen never so many videos on the same car by so many KZbinrs, talk about collaboration, all interesting, well done Sam
@JamesDean-yo8wm Жыл бұрын
i would guess the fuel line backed off the pump. that's why the car ran bad before he shut it off. fuel pump sprayed fuel directly out of the pump covering the tank. igniting off probably the headers or who knows what. car ran terrible because there was little to no fuel getting to the passenger side bank of the engine as it lost fuel pressure and fuel all together. It's really the only thing that makes sense if you ask me. I don't know if you came up with the same conclusion yet or not I'm only at 21:28 in the video so but yeah just at from the way i see it the only way things could've went down the way they did.
@captcory Жыл бұрын
this, blew a fuel line off.
@JamesDean-yo8wm Жыл бұрын
yep! pressurize system and he must've just not put it all the way on. may have just caught the edge of the retainer or something and then after some time on pressure POP. it explains it all. the pop/bang he heard the engine running like ass and the fire. I kinda feel bad for him he lost something he clearly cared about so much over something so simple. I mean I'd love a 430 too so i get it but when working with fuel systems you gotta double and triple check everything... I'd be pulling hard af on those fuel lines... making damn sure they ain't gonna come back off. its not an old dirtbike or something dealing with gravity fed carbs. there's loads of pressure in those systems. maybe not so much right there at the pump but still enough to blow a line and shoot some fuel.@@captcory
@sparky4878 Жыл бұрын
I've seen on the news about the storm heading to Florida. Hope everyone is safe. However, assume means some more flood damaged projects coming.
@Samcrac Жыл бұрын
Everything great our way. Thanks for checking in 👍
@shaunlaverty8898 Жыл бұрын
Tavarish is eagerly awaiting more flood damaged cars!
@sithumnimsara5756 Жыл бұрын
@@shaunlaverty8898 Ferrari this time maybe?
@leepicgaymer5464 Жыл бұрын
@@sithumnimsara5756 he already has a 430 scud. Too bad he wont show the finished product because it is done
@benlee6500 Жыл бұрын
The previous owner has meticulously maintained his Ferrari well and he loves doing it...Samcrac really fortunate to keep in touch with Tom...he is good enough to send the ferrari stuff to Sam...good vibes🎉😂
@anthonyk1234 Жыл бұрын
10:09 I’ve never seen a Middle Eastern man so happy until I seen Sam unboxing those Ferrari parts. Nice haul 👍🏻
@carlbeyer909 Жыл бұрын
It is possible the heat discolored the fuel pump whiter. If you look under the burned one it has some color on it. Also, the power wires are blue, original are red (?). I think it is a late model fuel pump. More inclined to think either the fuel hose popped off (was never seated correctly) or maybe the seal around the pump was not secure and vapors leaked out.
@JasonGrimm-zr7bl Жыл бұрын
At 24 minutes, you discuss a thump. I once had a car fire, and the ignition of it made a "whump" noise - could be the same thing.
@rmp5s Жыл бұрын
I'd put money on it being that. We've all heard that sound...we've all left the propane in the grill on a bit too long before lighting it. lol
@stevewright6783 Жыл бұрын
My initial thought is the the fuel feed pipe on top of the new pump assembly did not clip fully in place. It popped off, fuel was being pumped over the hot exhaust manifold area and ignited, hence the boom/whoosh noise. Simultaneously the car starting running poorly as it was being starved of fuel. I was the guy, in the main hall, who tapped you on your shoulder at Farnborough Scott !! The guy who's wife immediately said 'who was that'.......then raised her eyes to the ceiling when I told her 'you were my you tube idol......' Love your videos lads.....
@daryldelancy3588 Жыл бұрын
Tom, You are the coolest, this was so kind of you to send all the original parts ! I hope you got a cool replacement car !!!
@wonderman1918 Жыл бұрын
My best guess is; yes he was sold a new old syle/stock pump as the shop he got it from probably had it for over a decade and it could have been produced three years after the car was made. New old stock/Deadstock is good but it was still made years ago. The Parts shop should have been updated, and part never sold.
@MASTER3RDEYE3 ай бұрын
Thanks Tom, that is awesome of you to send the items.
@chadgantt7379 Жыл бұрын
I would be willing to bet that when he installed the old/new fuel pump he actually cracked the plastic with a small fracture and vapor built up and that was the thump he heard when a small amount of fuel spilled on hot exhaust and ignited the vapors. Tom seemed like a very smart guy but mistakes happen. It did not leak when almost empty, but leaked when the talk was full to the top.
@802Garage Жыл бұрын
I was going to say similar. Mistakes happen. Perhaps the pump lock ring was not fully seated and a very small amount of gas or vapor was able to escape after the full fill up. The vapors ignited and that was the noise as others have said. Could also be a crack somewhere or a faulty part or a blocked vapor release system as others have suggested.
@FTulumello Жыл бұрын
Tom is a good man. I hope you took care of him and sent him something for being so kind.
@beijingbond Жыл бұрын
Sam and Scott, I think the owner filled the tanks to the brim on his last drive before 'testing' the car. I also think that he hadn't seated the main seal on the fuel pump all the way to the tank (maybe he didn't tighten the plastic collar correctly). When he started to drive fast some fuel seeped out of that sealing area and got onto something hot resulting in a fire. This would explain why with maximum fuel onboard the car didn't quickly become an inferno....just a little seeped out. Just my educated guess (I've worked on chemical tankers and have seen what happens when an overfill gets into a pressure relief valve).
@NonEuclideanTacoCannon Жыл бұрын
This all made me remember a guy I used to work with, his side hustle was rebuilding old Ferrari alternators, or it might have been starters. Every day he would show up early to make his parts on the lathe before we opened. He was apparently pretty well known in the classic Ferrari community, people from around the world sent him dead Ferrari alternators, and he'd make them new again.
@barmanvarn Жыл бұрын
Really cool stuff. I’m picturing Somewhere is Tom’s wife and she’s excited he finally “got those dang boxes out of the garage”. 😅
@frankleonard6291 Жыл бұрын
Tom is a real person, how care about cars, hats off to you Tom, wish there was more people like you !!!!
@StonerCreek74 Жыл бұрын
WOW! You should definitely bring Tom in for a drive when you get the car on the road. That's ALOT of money in parts, awesome!
@davidwilliams9504 Жыл бұрын
What a generous man Tom is to gift you all those accessories
@YvanDupuy Жыл бұрын
You seem so passionned by this ferrari, it's amazing!
@genevieveard2246 Жыл бұрын
If the issue is endemic to the brand? and it sounds like it is, I think you may wish to look at installing two stand alone systems. 1. A fire detection system that has several thermocouples mounted around the fuel pumps since that is where the fires appear to center. Possibly photo-censors to 'see' fire light. 2. A fire suppression system, with an activation switch located on the dash next to the 'FIRE' annunciator light that both cuts off electricity to the fuel pumps and activates a fire extinguisher that emits suppressant over the fuel pumps (primaries) and the engine bay (secondary).
@JussiMayne Жыл бұрын
Tbf, knowing how well the owner took care of his documents and parts, not to mention the car itself, I would not have hesitated to buy this car in the condition it was in. You really managed to get a good ferrari for a decent price! I bet Tom is happy to see his old baby getting brought back from the dead :)
@EdinSimon Жыл бұрын
Tom - YOU THE MAN! - You have given sooooo.... much! Thank you for sharing with "ALL" of us! - it's great to see and learn about the history of this car. Sam need to buy you a drink and let you drive it again!
@kamikazei Жыл бұрын
Great vid. I'm blown away by Tom's generosity. He really really must've loved this car. I'm glad all it's parts are back together with it. Amazing story.
@jamesbarber5410 Жыл бұрын
I stopped watching your videos around 12 months ago, not really sure why, but you roped me back in with this damn Ferrari lol. Really happy for you getting this thing back on the road.
@OnthemoveNL Жыл бұрын
Maybe the previous owner just screwed the collar back on one thread crooked; I have replaced fuel pumps (not on a Ferrari though) and it is easy to screw the collar on crooked because the plastic just gives a little way. Other possibility I thought about is the tank ventilation is faulty (blocked), so it builds up pressure in the fuel tank, especially when he just filled it up to the top. Just some thoughts, I might be completely off.
@Peter-MH Жыл бұрын
Wow what a super guy sending all this stuff!! 👍
@deanwhite4190 Жыл бұрын
You did an amazing job of restoring this beautiful red car. Tyler Hoover also had a car like this burn from the same issue 3 or 4 years ago. I believe to damage to his car may have been worse. He sold it to a young man. I don't know if the car was ever repaired
@Jay4yoursenses Жыл бұрын
Shut out to the original owner for not only keeping all the parts but also sending them 👌 I wish all owner were like that 🙏
@norfolkronin630722 күн бұрын
Tom is definitely more than a foot. Proper leg end. Main thing is, he didn't get badly hurt. Or even killed when that car caught fire. Bless him.
@jameshisself9324 Жыл бұрын
I believe the burned pump was a new version. If you look carefully at the underside of it you see some of the similar yellow/orange that the new ones are, and the heat could have easily faded the coloring to make it look lighter than before. Plastics and chemical pigments react differently to heat, and some will do exactly as I'm describing. Which leaves it to installation error more likely. It also points to that with the comments about the pumps taking years to fail even if they are the old version. Nice drivable restoration, well done.
@juandanzilo93242 ай бұрын
This entire series made me happy. Thanks for the content man.
@eddominates Жыл бұрын
the "thump" was fuel vapors igniting in an enclosed area. I have had this happen when i had the fuel pump out of a car, the hole was left uncovered for a day while I waited for the new part. I'm not sure exactly how it ignited, most likely static elctricity from me moving around in the garage. but when it did, it made a BIG thump, sounded like someone slamming the trunk lid. luckily the interior didn't catch fire, and all I had to do was squirt the fire extinguisher in the general area of the hole and the fire went out. I did have to drop and clean the tank. there was some singed cloth on the seats but otherwise no damage.
@joeyp3855Ай бұрын
Thank you Sam for sharing the F430 experience. It is proof that with vision and A Will to never quit and never give up on your dreams you can do anything with good planning.
@erikdisomma1759 Жыл бұрын
Those pumps are made and recalled by the same OEM with the same cap for many cars. My old Maserati did the same thing. Fortunately on a QP5 the leak is nowhere near the exhaust. So a reliable repair was filling the entire “X” with fuel-safe clear epoxy. It held for 133k mikes until I sold the car with the uninstalled updated pump still in the box. So if anyone insists on running legacy design pumps then be sure to seal the “X” as it’s the only place I’ve seen them fail on F cars or other Italian exotics. Upon replacement/update I’d still seal that area as a preventative measure. It takes 5 minutes for a lifetime of security.
@bakhteria Жыл бұрын
I would imagine the smallest of all leaks from one of the hoses that was replaced would have leaked heavily under pressure. Another possibility is if the top of the fuel pump was cross, threaded, and it was not an issue at the beginning, but when the fuel tank was full, it caused it to leak.
@sheiladavis2304 Жыл бұрын
I would say blue liquid sounds like a jug of windshield washer fluid. Also the burned pump when sitting side by side seems slightly taller. That is if they are standing on the same thing. If it was slightly taller that means it wouldn't seal properly at the top lip. Sam put them on a table side by each and see if I'm right. I would also say the thump was the evaporated gas igniting. Tell me what you think.😅😂 it was a great fix guys.
@marksmallman4572 Жыл бұрын
the pumps are spring loaded, the compress when installed.
@802Garage Жыл бұрын
I would think a lot of windshield washer fluids are flammable, being mostly alcohol, but I think some are diluted enough to not be. Could be part of the reason the flames reignited though.
@sheiladavis2304 Жыл бұрын
@@802Garage it's like windex it's not alcohol it's vinegar
@sheiladavis2304 Жыл бұрын
@@marksmallman4572 why was one taller than the other. That's what I mean. Even if they both compressed the same amount the taller the lip would be higher. I'm not sure but it makes sense and Sam was asking if anyone had any ideas to share.
@802Garage Жыл бұрын
@@sheiladavis2304 The primary ingredient in many windshield washer fluids is methanol...
@johnparker3065 Жыл бұрын
Sam, great post mortem on the 430, as usual (most times it involves over budget expenditures) Don't have much experience with Italian iron, so this is a moon shot based on experience of product design and supply chain development by others than the name on the vehicle. The king of this is Land Rover and BMW/Ford. To attain entry into the North American market, evaporative emissions capture and processing must be demonstrated. My guess, the Lion pulled a generic vacuum pump design that relies on the fuel cell/tank vent for the make up air. The fuel evaporation vapors are then sent to the intake manifold as additional fuel load to the injection system. If not correctly designed or installed these systems cannot safely be injected into the intake manifold in liquid status. Alas, Tom's fuel measurements of the fuel removed would seem to indicate the tank(s) were overfilled. Check the line/hoses leading away from the vacuum pump(s) and the routing of the left and right fuel cell vents. My guess the vacuum pumps were handling liquid, not vapor. These lines are usually flimsy polyethylene tubing with flimsier elbows and couplings. On a high end vehicle, these should be SS braided PTFE with Aeroqiup fittings. If it is, all that $$$ hanging on less than $20 of plastic.
@Mp4GT3 Жыл бұрын
Tom, is an absolute man's man car guy for real. I thought I was awesome returning someone their money for a used car I sold them that they were not happy with. Tom do not change sir. We should all strive to be in Tom's position.
@plektosgaming Жыл бұрын
Improperly working venting/vapor recovery system, thing is put under pressure. Old fuel pumps crack and eject themselves from the tank. The issue with these pumps is that the plastic is junk and if you live in an area with high levels of smog (such as Southern California or Chicago ), the plastic is/becomes brittle, even if it is a new old stock part (same as plastic trim pieces if you live there ). So the new ring cracks and the fuel which is now under pressure shoots everywhere. Note that on normal cars, this simply does not happen. Because they use normal parts and a standard gas tank. Ferrari? Has to reinvent the wheel with every model so it seems.
@PixelVogue Жыл бұрын
Rata has shown us everything mate.......🤣🤣🤣
@BuddhangGala Жыл бұрын
Tom is a friend to keep!
@stevelozano9523 Жыл бұрын
Makes me wonder if the collar was bad when Tom replaced the pump and when the tank was pressurizing, (tom heard that pop) and the collar popped a thread , de-pressurized it and allowed fuel to leak out from that collar/seal onto the manifold and started the minor fire. Maybe.🤷🏻♂️
@genevieveard2246 Жыл бұрын
I'm retired Navy Aviation and I've been thru Aircraft Fire Fighting training quite a few times, and responded to quite a few aircraft fires; having said that? The 'THUMP' was the initial ignition of the fuel/air mix in a confined space.
@ianopenshaw8643 Жыл бұрын
was following a thread on a classic car group recently about fuel coming out the filler. one person commented that fuel in below ground tanks is cooler so once you put it in the car it expands. maybe he filled it too full and the seal on the pump wasn't seated properly so it leaked. it happened after he filled up.
@liamegan4303 Жыл бұрын
Respect to Tom. Hi Sam I see your Chatting to Scott. Another great Guy. I'm always watching Ratarossa's Channel..Scott does some great work on Ferraris as well. You should keep this Car Sam as its been very well looked after buddy. Chat soon 😅😅🇨🇮🇨🇮
@newtcrew Жыл бұрын
Tom, you are a righteous dude.
@b1llyw123 Жыл бұрын
The fuel line popped off, made the thump . the cover was removed by the owner so the fuel sprayed the exhaust and lit up . source im a mechanic and have had / seen fuel lines pop off miles after a pump replacement . i usually recommend changing the retainer clips.
@BrunoSantos-qy3wu Жыл бұрын
Tom is a great men !!! Cool 👍👍
@michaelbolton1090 Жыл бұрын
I think Tom was so meticulous because owning this car was a dream for him. I imagine when this car went up in flames it was a very emotional day for him. The things we work our ass of for always hold a special place in our hearts.
@donsturtevant2396 Жыл бұрын
Sam should at minimum pay the dude back for his shipping cost
@HereForAStorm Жыл бұрын
Do you know that he didn't?
@donsturtevant2396 Жыл бұрын
@@HereForAStorm do you know that he did? I’m not ragging on the guy, I’m just saying the old owner shipped him an easy $20/30k worth of parts & records and the right thing to do would be at least offer to cover the shipping. Maybe he’s done that & if so, good for him. But if not, I’d cut the dude a ck & send it registered mail ….
@August-xf9qh Жыл бұрын
This episode is kinda like watching Sam finding and opening presents from under the Christmas tree on Christmas morning! 😂
@PetterBruland Жыл бұрын
Best previously owner ever. So awesome to get all those parts. Thanks for another great video!!
@ytthecommunistplatform.2675 Жыл бұрын
Hey sam im so glad you finished a car fully instead of it being a paddock car like most of your other cars you get .
@redeemedheathen3 ай бұрын
Thats why it's prudent to perform your own quality inspection of new parts, no matter where they are purchased from. Good work gentlement and carry on!
@claytoncoolidge992 Жыл бұрын
The thump sounds like a thump of gas vapor igniting like when you put gas on an unlit fire and when you light it you get that thump. Liquid gas doesn't burn its the vapor that burns. The fact that he recovered the complete full tank of fuel tells me that there was not a liquid fuel leak but a vapor leak. That vapor built up when he was driving it and the thump was it igniting the running rough was due to wiring melting and killing the fuel pump. The reignition of the fire was most likely due to heat and the original fuel vapor leak and the added heat from the fire obviously made the gas evaporate faster. Idk much about Ferraris and have no idea what the setup is for vapor reclamation but my experience with vehicles in general is long and very indepth and i would have to say that its likely that the problem still exists with the car. Theres a fuel vapor leak and likely will not be a big deal unless you have full tanks of fuel maybe a hairline crack in the tank or some flaw in the vapor canister or whatever is used if anything is used kn the vehicle. If no canister is used that maybe the entire flaw and with 25 gallons of gas near a heat source increasing the evaporation rate of the gas with full tanks and no where for the vapor to go forcimg it out of the possible hairline crack or whatever vapor leak exists. I have a bad feeling that the problem is still present and advise that you don't put alot of gas im it
@tavaresmorales9008 Жыл бұрын
I don't give a 💩 what happened I just wanted to see you fix it 💯
@timothystevenhoward Жыл бұрын
This is the coolest thing I've ever seen. Props to the previous owner for keeping everything. Meticulously kept. What a champ!
@steventogami898 Жыл бұрын
As a non-Ferrari owner, i am surprised that a company with the decades of super car history, have such dangerous, life threatening issues. Something that Kias are known for.
@boerieza Жыл бұрын
People like Tom make this planet worth living on. Too few folks like him in my opinion.
@MaartenOosterbaan Жыл бұрын
Tom looks to be a very nice and decent guy! kudos to Tom!
@shummytv6606 Жыл бұрын
The fuel line fitting blew off the top of the fuel pump.... Had it still been connected during the fire, it would have become melted together ( with the pump) the same way the fuel pump electrical connector is melted together with the pump. Although... had it been connected the fire would never started to begin with.👍
@jldeal14 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking same thing
@michaelbooth1097 Жыл бұрын
Lol Sam if there was an award for blending in an advertisement into your videos you would win hands down. I giggle every time you do an add and where you bring it into your video. The underwear one was the biggest laugh. 😅
@gregwasik Жыл бұрын
that's great he has the car notes... my dad 40+ years ago used to keep track of miles and MPG in his Volvo in a notepad he kept in the glove box.
@nickw0tup Жыл бұрын
Sounds to me like the pumps high pressure hose popped off at the push lock fitting, likely the plastic retaining piece got broken when the old owner disassembled it without the correct tool ..which may have been the thump, then Loss of fuel pressure caused the engine to die . Hose blew off hit the cabin wall and the car died while catching fire. Also you have to note on the burned one there is no fuel line connector melted to the fuel output fitting . And it's evenly melted ie had no hose or connector in place when it burned
@pwmiller100 Жыл бұрын
The blue fluid the good Samaritan used was probably windshield washer fluid.
@WoodenCreationz Жыл бұрын
I liked the real talk at the end! Great build!
@designanddirection Жыл бұрын
That whump / bang that the owner heard was the fuel -warmed and evaporated to a gaseous state and exploding. Remeber that petrol is five times as explosive as dynamite! I had exactly the same experience in a VW beetle when I was a teenager!
@natman1216 Жыл бұрын
I think this was caused by a loose or leaky fuel fitting. Different cars I have seen (GM) the use plastic retainers on the pump and after replacing the pump they are too weak to maintain the proper pressure and after a few miles of driving the fuel lines will just pop back off the pump spraying fuel everywhere in the worst case. I thing this was what caused the fire and it caught fire before a more major fuel leak started.
@coreycohen6160 Жыл бұрын
When Tom was telling the story he said that he filled the tank to the top. From personal experience the issue could have been the Evap system. I had that one in my Ferrari with the Evap system filled up with fuel from topping off too much and had to replace the whole system. If that would have leaked fuel it would have been exactly as described. Normally the Evap system will only have fumes not liquid fuel. If the panels were in the engine compartment it may not have caught on fire as the fuel may have leaked behind the panel and not on the headers, but it would have eventually caused a CEL with a code.
@ericdoe2318 Жыл бұрын
13:21 carbon fire… that’s a Ferrari Freudian slip right there
@jimhartland1939 Жыл бұрын
All hail the Horse Whisperer. 🐎. A true British stand up guy.
@MidnightSky801 Жыл бұрын
That's a really cool previous owner. He saved a lot of great stuff for the car. 👍😎
@blardymunggas6884 Жыл бұрын
NOS pump might have brittled seal for seating so long and that can cause a leak
@pgrens Жыл бұрын
Props to Tom for sending that goodie cache. Send that man a case of his favorite whiskey straight away. My guess with the fire is that the reused nylon pump collar cracked, and the force of the now loose pump's action slammed it into the side of the tank to make the first thump, then fuel freely spilled (and/or sprayed) on the exhaust manifold, and, voila. Car then ran rough because the starboard pump was flopping around and not drawing consistently. Using a large metal screwdriver driven by a mallet or hammer is probably not the best way to install a nylon collar that must never break. Not saying Tom did that, but I think I saw some of that going on by the new owner in this video. I think maybe some additional safety wire as a fail-safe might not hurt for this particular application. I'm really surprised there's not a redundant hold-down system by the factory for these pumps.
@andrewthompsonuk1 Жыл бұрын
My guess is it leaked around to top and when he turned onto the interstate the fuel sloshed.out. The next time I work on a fuel pump I am going to make sure it will run an evap monitor on the obdii before filling the tank. I have been in the situuation whe I have filled a tank only to have petrol leaking under the car after driving.however most cars do not have hot exhaust parts under their fuel tanks so most fuel leaks under the car do not ignite.
@TheVipersNest Жыл бұрын
Great video follow up to the 12 day repair video. On the note of "what might have happened" you said to replace the fuel pump you need undo the tank mounts and angle it to access the pump. I scrolled back in the video and the Car Diary says the refuel just prior to the fire was 22.74(or .79) galleon. This suggest the tanks were drained prior to fitting the new pump, the car fuelled from a can then driven to the filling station and topped off, could the "loud bang" have been the right side tank resettling itself due to the added weight ? If so could that have caused the leak ?
@Bigsky1991Ай бұрын
Wow...I found a one owner 07' model in St Pete for 1200$ once....same problem...test drive scared me off. Had I seen this video then I would have snatched it up! I did a similar fluid, Mechatrinic service on my Cayenne S and pulled it off...so I'm sorta experienced. Just an addendum, one of your vids prompted me to buy a Vevor coolant/ brake fluid change kit....super quality...but it showed up without one lick of instructions! I have zero idea how to hook it all up!