Rebuilding the RUINED braking system on my P38 Range Rover Project

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The Rangie has been waiting patiently for it's return to the channel... and a fix to her poor, rusted braking system.
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0:00 Intro
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[@SamsMotors]

It feels great to make some progress on the P38 project, and I’m looking forward to getting her on the road more than ever!

[@noelcahill6707]

If i could put the newer 8 speed gear box into it i would ha

[@SamsMotors]

@@noelcahill6707 I had the same thought. M57 + 8HP in the P38 would be a dream come true.

[@truth1464]

Hi Sam, I recently sold my P38 at 296,000 miles - missing the old girl.... Got to know the car fairly well! Before you disconnect or reconnect the battery, put the key fob key in the ignition switch first. I think this will stop the alarm going off or activating the EKA code etc. Just found your channel and enjoying the contents!

[@tommysutton9361]

Great to see you back at the P38 again. Getting closer to a spin down the road again.

[@simonlaxon9474]

Hi, I do not envy you one bit, replacing the brake pipes. I was part of a 2 person prototype contract team, who designed the original pipes for Landrover and Rover. It was a challange to design the pipes by hand, on a bare shell and chassis. I worked for a company in Coventry, called BWL Component engineering. The last pre-production cars I worked on was the Rover P38 at Solihull and theMGF at Longbridge pre production facility (I think it was called the Round house).

[@SamsMotors]

Thanks for sharing, that's super interesting. I used to work in Coventry too - it really is the centre of the automotive industry in the UK! The brake lines weren't too bad of a job in the end - but as you saw, I added more joints than the original factory lines.

[@simonlaxon9474]

@@SamsMotors Its a small world. We were based in Stoke row but moved the brake pipe and prototype section down to the old Coventry Clinax factory, in Sandy lane. I think you did a great job with the pipes, especially knowing how much of a pain they were to originally create. Land Rover bosses decided that the didn't want multiple joints, as it could cause too many points for leakage to occur. I remember the 2 pipes that ran virtually the whole length of the the car, in an L shape. We originally bent all the pre production pipes by hand. They were then bent on a computer driven double headed bending machine, that our toolroom designed for production. I worked for the company from 1983 - 1994.

[@rafflesnh]

That security lock-out system must be the most infallibly reliable part on those cars! ;-)

[@SamsMotors]

Works every time 🤣

[@apollogenerator9837]

For some reason, mine has completely failed. I mean, so has the Central locking, but i dont have a lockout problem. Which im grateful for, would make this thing an absolute nightmare. Might end up splicing in my own kind of vehicle lock if im not near the vehicle.

[@lowen74s]

I'm currently changing the rubber hoses on mine (I thought it would be near certain they'd still be the original rubber ones so doing it as a precaution), luckily from removing the rear left arch liner to get to the upper hose I noticed the hard line had almost rotted through! I was also greeted with "my P38 hadn't had attention for some time and wouldn't start", though this was the fuel lift pump in the fuel tank. I have found most things are quite accessible on the P38 but that one rear brake pipe is well hidden.

[@Danny1282]

Glad to see the p38 getting some love, not enough of these on utube, flawed yes but fixing the issues will mean you have a great car.... good work

[@bushmanPMRR]

I still remember the EKA code for my P38 4.6: 4L 1R 4L 1R! You probably know this but if the alarm annoys you too much you can enter the key code in the drivers door lock without opening the door! Before we moved to Kilkenny, every Christmas we'd drive here from London and my P38 became a running joke regarding which bit would break down on the visit (almost every damn year!) One year the EAS packed up and we were on bumpstops which was only compounded by the stupid 22" wheels and 295/35/22 tyres it was on. On Irish roads! Another year I noticed the rear brakes were losing performance and a local guy diagnosed rusted brake lines at the back as they were made from steel instead of copper, presumably as a bean-counters cost cutting measure (Don't know if it was LR or Bavarian Murder Weapons) and all we could do was clamp the NSR line with vice grips and limp all the way back to London with only 75% (ish) braking performance whilst regularly topping up the fluid level. Early morning start to return to London, topped up the reservoir and promptly lost the filler cap, it could not be found ANYWHERE! One Tayto crisp wrapper and a couple of elastic bands was all I had and that, along with around four litres of DOT3 and we eventually got home. My mechanic in London told me this was a common problem and an absolute pig of a job so all respect to you for doing it!

[@SamsMotors]

Love this 🤣 Yes, definitely steel pipes judging by the horrific corrosion on mine.

[@peterwarner8541]

Good work Sam. Just had the eka code issue on mine as I flattened the battery replacing the old satnav with an Atoto, I’m still battling impedance issues though!

[@tristanboler2782]

Great video Sam, nice bit of progress! Looking forward to seeing the P38 being back on the road!! Cheers

[@j.d.sunderland8113]

Nice to see some love and attention on the P38 Rangie again…. Now you have a new battery, keep it on a trickle charge, because they eat batteries for fun, if left alone for a long period of time, speaking as a long time owner of a P38. Good luck with it, as IMHO it is the best of all the Rangie variants, classy looking but not as corrosive as the original, but far better made than the later ones. ;-)

[@dion5643]

Great work Sam, looking forward to the next video.

[@projectdalekmark]

Exactly where mine started leaking. A bloody nightmare.

[@SamsMotors]

Yep, I bet they all go there. Glad it’s sorted now though!

[@projectdalekmark]

@@SamsMotors I'd just said to my neighbour as I was replacing the rear air suspension, "I bet something else goes wrong" & he replied " no don't be daft nothing will go wrong". Sure enough as I was putting the securing airbag clips in place ( hadn't even touched the break line) the first drop of break fluid dripped onto my hands, lol.

[@happyjohnwalks]

I was watching your videos before I purchased my L322, I watched your trials and tribulations but decided it was still for me. P38? No way, not ever. You love a challenge way more than I do 😂

[@DavidSmith1307]

Good idea to put axle stands under the chassis rather than the axle - you are betting your health on the suspension air bags otherwise.

[@markpiercy133]

I did these lines on mine, every brake pipe nut seized which resulted in all the rear flex pipes and the complete brake lines replaced. The joint is just below the front bulk head on the drivers side making two clean lines to the rear. 👍

[@Zer0kbps]

that outro really takes you back to the late 80s.. :)

[@PortugalCarp]

Good to see you back with the P38.

[@anthonyscolyer2444]

Wow Sam am I glad I live in Aus and not where roads are salted!! Can't believe the amount of rust you have there. Seeing brakes and lines like that is unknown here, our biggest enemy is the sun killing paint and plastics. Amazes me as well that not one of the houses in your drone view has a garage as part of the house!! Don't think I can imagine houses built without that. Makes it hard to work on a car when yo are out in the elements all the time.

[@SamsMotors]

A lot of rural houses like these have big detached garages (you can see one of my neighbours has one in the shot), but sadly not my house ☹️. Soon though, hopefully!

[@oficina_moomoo]

Freaking amazing work! Another amazing video. Pretty impressive the amount of little rust these cars have, it was nice when I bought mine this summer that it was one of the things you usually don't have to look for in the p38s, discos, disco 2s and classics it is always the first question. I just did brake calipers on mine and I probably should have rebuilt them but they were pretty cheap I just ended up replacing them.

[@SamsMotors]

Thanks! Yeah it’s really nice not to have to deal with rust before thinking about anything else! She will still get the full undersealing treatment soon though!

[@melvindavison8532]

From Co Armagh and really enjoyed that video

[@SamsMotors]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@DavidHallworth]

We've had a few L322's over the years now, (1 x 2006 4.2SC, 1 x 2007 4.2SC, 1 x 2007 TDV8) and we currently have a 2012 TDV8 Autobiography and a 2012 5.0SC Autobiography, over the years we've also had approximately 9 P38's and currently have a 2002 4.6 Vogue SE. The quality of metal on the P38, the quality of the rust proofing, and the quality of the nuts and bolts used on the P38's was far superior to the L322. If you've got the right tools, you can almost always get the bolts out of the P38 whereas a lot of the smaller ones on the L322's sheer and need drilling out and retapping. The 322's are much nicer to drive but are definitely built cheaper then the P38's were!

[@JohnDryden100]

Sam, I am lost! I sold my L322 and do not have a daily drive, and am lamenting my sale. Cannot find anything else to be passionate about except the L322, anyway just sharing, Cheers, John

[@SamsMotors]

I can only suggest you get yourself another one, post-haste!

[@kabaottoemulsion1869]

Nice pipe bending job! I wonder how you did connect pipe you cut off? Nice flair jobs as well. Great Landy workshop property you have! You can have a giant shed at back!

[@SamsMotors]

Cheers! I flared the ends of the pipes where I cut them off and joined to new pipe using metric pipe unions. I’d absolutely love a giant shed!

[@ewanstewart8011]

Great work and another step forward 👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@lifeasusual]

Another great video Sam!! I think I need to replace the brake hoses on mine as well 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ I am learning a lot from you.👍👍

[@jerrygreene7139]

Top work once again! Thanks for the video Sam!

[@SamsMotors]

Cheers Jerry, hope the 322 is going well for you.

[@jerrygreene7139]

My L322 is doing well, thanks for asking. I think my next job is to change out the power steering fluid. It would be cool to see a video on that, if possible. Do you have thoughts on trying to vacuum out the reservoir and replacing with new fluid, or is it imperative to replace all of the fluid?

[@paulie-Gualtieri.]

It's funny how all P38s weather in the same areas when parked up for a bit. The cobwebs are in the exact same location as on mine, Performance mods will be very exciting down the line.

[@SamsMotors]

Yeah! The spiders have definitely been trying to claim the old girl.

[@briangreen6602]

I think i've seen Titanic artifacts less corroded than those calipers !

[@oliviera1246]

Thanks

[@broomad]

Job well done 👍

[@chrisgreenwood271]

you can get a center exhaust delete pipe from flea bay, I forgot how heavy that centre section was.

[@karmaone1598]

If only we should put a tdv8 inside. Hell 🔥

[@GarethNIreland]

Brilliant 😎

[@AdamH108TA]

Great work sam, enjoyed that

[@SamsMotors]

Thanks 👍😊

[@Dave.The_Sham]

I hope you had a pint or two after that dirty job down in the local!

[@SamsMotors]

Definitely! Decided the P38 needs a good jet washing before I do any more work underneath it!

[@transitpassenger3948]

22:53 A large plot of land is great!!! Oh shit, because of one tube. But it had to be done, there was no other way!!!

[@jimmyquinn9639]

Another good video 👍👍👍⭐️⭐️⭐️👏👏👏

[@SamsMotors]

Thank you 👍

[@richardhunt1384]

Have you a part number and where you bought that brake flaring tool from please Sam??? Ive a hand-held one and it's a proper mission, all most impossible to flare original steel pipe with. Brilliant informative video as ever!!! 😀😀

[@SamsMotors]

Hey Richard, cheers! It’s a Sealey one. Just added an Amazon link to the video description 👌🏻

[@richardhunt1384]

@@SamsMotors thanks for the reply will definitely check out the link! 👍👍😀😀

[@romanrob]

if you had your nano I think you cd have just ignored the alarm...although it would block the door eka input method. BTW you can also disconnect the sounder easily enough (multi connector below fuse box IIRC)

[@SamsMotors]

I may just do that! It’s a bit shocking when it goes off as it’s rather loud.

[@terryatkinson3182]

Recently went to the motorfactors for bits for my 97 cinquecento and got basically laughed at.... went online and got my unobtanium parts second hand in Spain and have found a better motorfactors where I'll be spending my money in future. Shame really as the old place I've used for 30 years 😮 that's progress for ya.... 😒👍🇮🇪

[@quincecowell]

Hi love watching you videos quick question I've got a 2012 l322 4.4tdv8 what code reader do you use or recommend I have a obe but can't do things like rest battery monitoring thanks in advance and good luck with the p38

[@samrodian919]

Nice job Sam! It's a really filthy job doing brake lines when the car is still intact as we can see by the state of you! Two things though, you were under the car removing some of the old pipes and looking up, and where were your safety glasses? On top of your head! Duh! And then you cleaned out a spec of crap from the corner of your right eye, and where were you safety specs them? In front of your mouth! Double Duh!!

[@SamsMotors]

The trouble with the specs is you can’t see much through them once they steam up and get covered in crap, so you take them off and then end up with said crap in your peepers 😂

[@samrodian919]

@@SamsMotors ain't that the fucking truth!

[@KylePantano]

What size line and fittings did you use?

[@SamsMotors]

3/16 cupronickel with metric (M10) fittings 👌🏻

[@rogerwilliams5540]

Where did you get them ramps? I’m a bit nervous of my 3/4” angle ones Cheers

[@SamsMotors]

Just added the Amazon links in the description 👌🏻

[@andrewmitchell6351]

Yep, brill vid. I could also do with some of those ramps to help with my 'journey' with my L320 RRS! Couldn't see them on your Amazon link, Sam .... can you post a link? Cheers, and looking forward to the next video!

[@SamsMotors]

@@andrewmitchell6351 Thanks Andrew! amzn.to/3EHFSfR

[@robholland1937]

Bloody Rangie rot 😮

[@fakereality3792]

4 digit EKA is printed on inside of brake pedal rubber

[@SamsMotors]

You’re joking? 😅

[@johnseaton1031]

not always, none of mine have.

[@fakereality3792]

@@SamsMotors. Nope. You can also get a little plug in job from blackbox solutions for about 130 euro. It comes from Cyprus but works very well.

[@fakereality3792]

@@johnseaton1031 Mine has. I know the code by memory now 😀

[@888johnmac]

lol , thats good to know ..... luckily i've only experienced that hell with one vehicle ... and the sticker with the code was in the handbook

[@blankblank124]

How long did it take to wash your hands after that 😂

[@SamsMotors]

Not as long as you'd think, the Mrs attacked me with swarfega and a brillo pad

[@sjrory3784]

Delicious

[@SamsMotors]

Lick it, tastes nice 🤪

[@tariqabdulwahad]

Can we please get the next video???

[@SamsMotors]

Coming soon, it’s in the edit!

[@tariqabdulwahad]

@SamsMotors These videos are soo good. I am getting impatient 😤 😅

[@SamsMotors]

@@tariqabdulwahad thanks man! I’ll try and get it out in the next day or two.

[@franksfactorynonsens]

Can I ask a novice question please! What is the clip puller tool called? Probably a clip puller? 😂😂

[@SamsMotors]

It's just called a trim tool or trim removal tool! If you look at the video description there's a link to my Amazon pages, where you'll find some tool lists including some trim tools. Cheers!

[@franksfactorynonsens]

@@SamsMotors Great stuff Sam cheers! Glad to see the old 38 getting closer 👍 Just having fun with the old Restricted Performance bong of doom on my 4.4 at the moment. On any other car I’d be scouring autotrader for alternatives. But strangely I’m not! Keep up the good work 👍

[@noelcahill6707]

Sam landrover here wont even service a 09 range rover

[@SamsMotors]

They literally had no idea what a P38 was 🤷‍♂️

[@noelcahill6707]

@@SamsMotors they would think thats a tax form i rang about getting the sport checked and serviced when i got it i was told they no longer service that age car unreal

[@SamsMotors]

@@noelcahill6707😂, terrible. In my experience you’re better off taking it to a specialist than a dealer anyway.

[@noelcahill6707]

@@SamsMotors ya its when i first got it just wanted it fully seen to its going in next monday blanking egrs and stage 1 remap

[@anthonyscolyer2444]

Having the same trouble here in Adelaide South Aus. One independent with "40 years experience" and trained in the U.K. told me too old as did the other specialists.

[@stephentootle6388]

Joining brake pipes 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@SamsMotors]

All good as long as it’s done properly 👌🏻

[@gmartin8240]

Another excellent video on the P38 , well done Sam 👍🔩

[@SamsMotors]

Glad you enjoyed it