SAMURAI DEFENSE I HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE! - Siege Battle - Total War: Shogun 2

[@NickConte3]

The explosions at the end were caused by the red player's Hanzo's Shadows. You can see them flinging their bombs at 20:29

[@3brothersgaming799]

True

[@simonepazsimon7219]

He thought it was the Tanegashima or the Heavy gunners who's doing that

[@semp224]

​@@simonepazsimon7219he's not really acquainted with Shogun 2 troops I see.

[@jolonghthong]

So these warriors can climb 20 foot walls with their bare hands but they can’t hop over a bamboo fence? Total war logic

[@P4PapiPanDulce]

Little splinters hurt more than sword stabs confirmed

[@maartenbaert3540]

See it like a rocket: you can use it to go to the moon, but not to go to your local supermarket

[@TheLeaderX1]

do you expect a flimsy bamboo wall to hold the weight of more than 10 people? the risk of impaling yourself on some expose piece of bamboo would also be a lot higher than a stone wall

[@Mmmbananaboat]

Or just cut it

[@comradekenobi6908]

@@Mmmbananaboat well, its hard when there's arrows and muskets balls flying at you i guess, also bamboos are not easily breakable

[@countmarkula1993]

Skirmishing is a very important part of battle, but when you have a time limit...

[@trebor797]

Believe me, skirmishing with archers is the most efficient tactics still as attacker. The time limit kinda balance it right for S2 sieges as defenders have just 60% of the gold that attackers have. Then enemeis can attack from every side and climb up any wall. The tactic was to kill their archers and let the rest being done by elite troops. And they didn't defended their archers well. But when you see good players fight each other you can see the bow spam of any attacker, so yes skirmishing is still important in S2

[@countmarkula1993]

@@trebor797 Oh most definitely. Pardon the vagueness of my comment. I was trying to imply to just be practical about time management. Skirmish of course but do so quickly and effectively.

[@RyanTheHero3]

@@trebor797 Id say skirmishing is probably one of THE most important parts of S2. Whoever has more can have a distinct advantage (given they protect them with other units of course)

[@cowtaplayz8277]

You can turn off the time limit in the options, I do it for every Total war game

[@trebor797]

@@cowtaplayz8277 In multiplayer for Shogun 2 it is sadly not possible to change the timelimit

[@kamieaston3016]

I once fought three separate armies all by myself with lackluster samurai and high tier musketeers. That game lasted over thirty minutes and I defeated two of the three by holding choke points and firing down onto the enemy as they charged and tried to climb the walls. I was constantly retreating as the enemy neared and neared until all my samurai were defeated and I was forced to establish firing lines near the center fort. I held out for a few volleys as the enemy tried to get through the gates and up the walls, I ended up fighting the enemy 1 to 3 in melee combat and losing, but it was the best battle I've ever had in the Total War series. Shogun 2 definitely had some of the best siege maps of the franchise. It took the enemy three waves just to capture the second layer of the fort, due to the running distance from the first wall to the second they were quite literally running through bullets just to get to the wall where they faced blades and spearmen eagerly awaiting them. It was epic. The only reason I lasted so long is because I kept stacking my melee units on the closest enemy incursion, bottlenecking the units like the 300. I was outnumbered, so when the other units started climbing walls I pulled back my muskets a bit and established firing lines until my melee units were done massacering the enemy. None of my units routed tho, it was a battle to the bitter end. That's what I liked about Shogun, you felt like could actually win against impossible odds by using tactics. It wasn't just about how strong your units were, but rather how skilled the tactician commanding them was.

[@laughtercatz]

Impressive

[@warrenpeace8304]

Bro that is awesome. I wish I could've watched that.

[@johnnyloco7108]

“Every minute they waste, is a minute of victory.” - Apollo 2020

[@Ahrone1586]

A minute closer to victory

[@zelikris]

The defenders outplayed the attackers on so many levels

[@charleshubanks5376]

Ouch

[@ninjartist36]

Literally

[@zelikris]

@trueblueprussian 23 I agree, but I think the noob square was so strong, they would have not been able to break it anyway

[@oniichanmk7346]

@@zelikris there s So many ways to brake that box, kisho ninjas, Archers, artillery, long yari, matchlocks

[@christerarnoldbordon9129]

@@oniichanmk7346 maybe he meant in the context of the battle and units available with the attackers

[@1k_JV]

This is historical because it is showing you how far the rivalry of the crips and bloods dates back.

[@Matt-sf9ky]

I love how the bamboo stick fence is a better wall than any other part of the castle. I really wish TW would revisit how the do siege battles. They just keep getting sillier with each new release.

[@nutyyyy]

Wait you mean single hero units didnt just knock down city gates with one blow in real life?... Now I've heard everything.

[@sauercrowder]

Yeah I feel like Medieval II was better at that back in 2006. I understand the infantry are probably supposed to be climbing the walls with ropes or whatever, but they get into your fortresses way too easily. To the point that I stopped putting bowmen on the walls, and instead placed them behind with katana samurai holding the walls.

[@KylePawluk]

@@sauercrowder ranged units get a boost to their fire rate when on the walls(i think) yari wall in front of the castle walls with archers on the wall is amazing

[@BisexualPlagueDoctor]

Bamboo is too brittle to climb, and bamboo also can get very sharp Along with that, troops are too vulnerable while climbing, and are not gonna climb unless that’s their only choice The fence can be walked around, but the walls would ultimately force even more casualties if you avoided climbing them

[@mrscaryfox3955]

@@BisexualPlagueDoctor can’t you just break it?

[@andrewbennett9916]

the fact that the defenders allowed their cheap men to be mown down by Att archers, and even risked their general to kill more Att archers indicated that they had this strategy all along. Definitely not cheese, but superb generalship.

[@thedailyruns6046]

It would hardly work irl since soldiers will lose confidence in their lord. But these are japanese so who knows theyre like robots.

[@BisexualPlagueDoctor]

@@thedailyruns6046 the Japanese at that time we’re willing to commit suicide for their honor Trust was not the worries of the shogun, their worries were civilian revolts

[@Ye-Hu]

"You always learn something new ..." *Here's a little lesson in trickery...* You can set fire to the gate and destroy it, so this battle could have go WAY easier if the defender did that, killing the units going through the gate (11:24 & 13:24)

[@trebor797]

We did that in a battle before were we used almost same army. We killed half the army just with gates and we were sad at the end nothing even reached our pikes. Thats why you see so many units not fighting at the end, cause all this tactic is about is having fun with our elite units. We had this battle under controle all the time, if needed we had sent more units in or burnt the gates. But it wasn't needed and this way we had the most fun of this battle :D

[@m_fredi9549]

@@trebor797 ladies and gentelman, a mandalorian

[@keisaboru1155]

very true - but its gonna make them push even harder in despair xD

[@iamyourmom2]

@@trebor797 No way! Good job in this game here man, it's pretty impressive

[@josephrobinson6171]

Losing your general when defending in siege doesn’t seem to have much of an effect as it seems that being in the top layer of the castle gives defenders infinite morale so they fight to the death

[@Naraku-no-Hana-WE]

Well you lose Stand and Fight capability which is significant... but I'm guessing the bonus doesn't stack with 2 generals so one can be viewed as expendable?

[@Applejuiceisxxx]

@@Naraku-no-Hana-WE yeah only need one. Usually want to diversify with multiple generals

[@HiHiIron]

Q: What is that? (Where are the explosions coming from?) A: 20:25 It's clearly the camping ninjas. 👌👌👌

[@PROVOCATEURSK]

They were so good that even Apollo couldn´t see them.

[@alexanderyang7657]

He doesn't play this game a lot I think, I mean whoever has experience in this game should know that....

[@Jinisinsane]

@@PROVOCATEURSK idk its some kind of mortar cannon

[@HiHiIron]

@@alexanderyang7657 I'm just helping Apollo to find his answer.

[@StopFlaggingVideos]

@@Jinisinsane despite them clearly shooting bullets as he's calling them "hand mortars" i guess he really didnt play S2 that much

[@nickdaniels9485]

They missed such a great opportunity to bring back avatar conquest in Three Kingdoms. Woulda been so cool to see our custom made general dueling another players general. Also would be nice if we could make our own custom faction in campaign

[@_2_IN_1_]

1:17 Apollo was looking for the word Agile Words are really hard..........don't mock him. He tries his best.

[@jaideuxmains]

I sometimes doubt about his literacy capability

[@YoloHunt]

I have far too many moments myself where the word I want to use eludes me. He has my sympathy.

[@jaideuxmains]

@@YoloHunt It's more about his incapacity to pronounce words written right in his face haha

[@YoloHunt]

@@jaideuxmains Touché, didn’t notice at first

[@nicpardon1057]

nah he derserves the mocking

[@jumperwilli7770]

The mix of long yari and yari wall is probably the deadliest unit

[@Naraku-no-Hana-WE]

against AI sure. Against a player, it should not have been this effective, but the attackers didn't leave themselves time enough to solve it.

[@MrAsh1100]

@@Naraku-no-Hana-WE They also wasted their archers at the beginning rather than just using units to climb the walls immediately and conserving theor archers towards the end

[@legaliseme]

Marathon monks have a buff ability that reduces exhaustion to themselves and I think 3 nearby units, which can be pretty good in siege battles because attackers will get exhausted from running and climbing walls

[@littlegray4537]

20 minutes seems like a good format every once in while.

[@jackk.7452]

It's not in his control... The players control the timing of the match

[@sig1231]

Great vid Apollo keep Playing Fall of samurai pls!

[@oakarkyaw9704]

in medieval time of japan every single castle are always on the top of the mountain or it is surrounded by water so using siege equipment is not a good idea for the japans although they used trebuchet catapult and mangonels

[@bedwarsgodgamr6525]

Ghost of Tsushima

[@chrisbashant2903]

The defense showed some really good patient and wit, I was like oh damn theres still 5 mins left and he is already at the 3rd tier. Than I saw him box up with the long ashigaru an just knew this was over. Well played.

[@ivanvincent770]

16:43 that lone Red Ashigaru on the left didnt attend the rehearsal

[@josephlionheart540]

19:44 They weren’t flanking because they wanted to chew up the enemy with the guys that have the big guns that also have the name you couldn’t pronounce😂

[@trebor797]

Exactly XD Why send in some noob Yari Ashigaru at the end when you can have funny elite troops doing the kills?

[@electropoopoo1453]

2:51 NO WHERE TO RUN FIELDS OF VERDUN

[@gaiusbrutus]

Nice

[@jolonghthong]

Gfffgg

[@electropoopoo1453]

UNDER THE GUN

[@abotz5396]

@jesus rodriguez ruined

[@nutellaking734]

I love the way arrow fire looks in Shogun 2, especially with fire arrows, it just looks like straight of a movie

[@workingpeon9316]

10:29 they're sending a beacon to Rohan.

[@trebor797]

And Rohan will answer!

[@alexanderthegreat6682]

The beacons are lit! Gondor calls for aid! And Rohan will answer! *five hours later We have arrived! where is our enemy? Oh, we just wanted you to join in our victory party! Here, have a drink.

[@michaelselph3530]

Attackers were completely outplayed by the defenders at every step. This may not have been a close battle by any means but it was very fun to watch

[@Vikingr4Jesus5919]

17:05 "They are struggling. Look at this guy!!"

[@gggk9245]

"They're Letting it rip, and I'm not talking about farts, I'm talking about arrows" me: That sounded more epic in your head didn't it?

[@syzygysyzygy8332]

'Never rush the attacker when the Gods place a 20 minute timer on the siege' -Sun Tzu (allegedly)

[@SteveL11]

The animations of Shogun 2 is still amazing to watch.

[@ITSWRKS]

Love that they still had a nice amount to troops reserved hold the path if needed

[@britainboi1019]

I just bought Fall of the Samurai and will hopefully send in a replay soon. Please be merciful it will be my first match :)

[@britainboi1019]

@trueblueprussian 23 thanks man

[@deejayboushmanfaddah1325]

Trebor is such a chad in TW. I'm fully convinced that he left his reinforcements in place down the ramp because he knew he wouldn't need them.

[@samtheman9002]

WHAT is THAT?!?!?!??? ARE those MORTARS or something?!??!? Those kisho ninjas are so sneaky even the god man Apollo can't see them lol XD

[@nickgage1438]

So sneaky you cant even find them in a replay.

[@Naraku-no-Hana-WE]

1. While ladders and siege towers did exist in samurai combat, it would be a hard sell to convince TW players to stop to build them, then push them up to the walls. Due to frequent earthquakes in Japan samurai castles were built with low, sloping walls, hence why most walls (or every wall in Shogun 2 TW) were scalable. The most infamous siege offenses in the Sengoku era actually involved attacking armies building their own walls/enclosures around the outside of the castle walls (normally to cut off and starve out the enemy), then lighting the walls on fire to eventually set everything inside ablaze... or diverting a dam or irrigation canal to flood the interior. Anyhow all forms of sengoku siege combat are very difficult to emulate in a game like TW. 2. Bow warrior monks outrange everything in the game except Bow Heroes. Why exactly idk, sure they trained like crazy but so did bow samurai. Either way they are the bow unit of choice for sieges. 3. Burning your own towers and falling back to the central plaza is standard tactics in Shogun 2 siege. While you don't have to build a noob box on the capture point and could defend the inner walls, either way it's very advantageous for defenders to hold the inner layer where their morale is solid and the general can grant stand and fight bonuses. For those strategies though you have to burn the towers or they will inflict mass casualties. 4. I'm not so sold on the noob box having matchlocks both inside and outside the box firing across at each other. I feel attackers could just stream half dead units between the two groups and make them fire on each other, inflicting mass friendly fire casualties and ruining unit cohesion. 5. The bombs were coming from a defending kisho ninja unit (in this case Hanzo's Shadows) who were hiding inside the noob box. Specifically they were hiding within the ranks of the red Long Yari Ashigaru.

[@nogisonoko5409]

That was a brilliant play from the defenders, i am amazed!

[@asdowo111]

9:27 shinzou wo sasageyo

[@jrad410]

I just saw on steam someone made a new Minas Tirith Map. You do a video with it, really cool map!

[@trebor797]

I hope he gonna do one, but not yet. I am in contact iwth the map creator and I have some interesting changes suggested he could add, like siege towers on the walls (more or less). So sure I hope he gonna do a video, but when the map is updated :D As I send him now the last 3 replays I made be able to give him that suggestion when the map is done

[@dru187]

Just found your channel and have been binge watching all the battles! I love it. Thanks for all the time you take to explain everything. I hope you do more Shogun 2 videos.

[@evanjelani]

Glad to see this guys still kickin :)

[@renoirrenwa]

i don't leave a comment usually.. but this scene is very good to watch... and also the creator.

[@cowtaplayz8277]

14:30 once I lost 200 troops climbing walls

[@mastershangchi3410]

Man, you are really stepping up your game with these epic thumbnails. Awesome work man!

[@fragIsMe]

Bro this was a cool battle and i was wondering if Apollo could do more assassins creed odyssey

[@Red-bw5kl]

Bruh

[@kosch1977]

The timer is 20 min because the Meta in shogun siege is bring a archer stack and 3 inf and win. The 20 min is the only balance because attackers have tons more money for little to nothing defense for defenders. There’s no where to hide from the archers any settlement you play.

[@kosch1977]

trueblueprussian 23 you’d think there’d be a cap but nah. It’s actually funny how many times you can see defenders winning in the same manner is they did in this video just take debuffs to enemy archers and wait them out. But it makes siege not worth it cause it’s very bland

[@CapoMadsen]

hell yeah more shogun 👉👈

[@caos1925]

that was a flex by the red and black teams 'yeah we got all these other units, but we don't even need to use them.'

[@SMmania123]

That's ironic Siege Battles are my favorite thing in Total War. Hell, there the only reason I'm subscribed to this channel for lol.

[@theoxfords799]

It might be cheesy tactic, but because it's war, if it works, it works

[@felix920]

the red had ninjas with explosives on the cap. superb.

[@tf2664]

Play more Shogun II I love the samurai and how well the game looks and runs

[@thejoshinator5302]

You have a great subscriber base! Your content is amazing!

[@hendriksurya8661]

The main mistake is the attackers fail to predict the defender strategy. That's it

[@TheErickDH]

pretty sure the explosions were the Hanzo's Shadows unit, ninja units or rocket troops are what i look for when explosions start in a non FoS game, easy to miss cause the units are tin

[@javakado1828]

It wasn’t it was some other unit

[@polartechie]

I really like your narrative style

[@lordboston05]

This is a classic Total War defense strategy.

[@sirkeith271]

The Red defender lowkey just flexed with this win, didn't even use the rest of his units on the second to last circle XD

[@hithere1187]

I've been watching for almost 4 years now and fixing the turn 15 let's go

[@bin_slayer1857]

That was a good battle

[@chesterzimmerman7752]

Personally I like 1212 ad the most as a mod for a total war game it's huge number 1 number 2 it's graphics aren't to bad

[@joeyliguori7013]

good vid, I've been a long time fan and i think I've watched just about all your videos

[@stevenmarles8321]

I love the shogun total war I love the armer that have

[@mustacubula3301]

your videos make my day better apollo,thank you 🙏

[@plasmaspyder3920]

You can't lose when you have a Terry on your side

[@matteopelleriti4254]

Defenders were genius ahahahaha fantastic battle

[@thedon9247]

These defenders are playing some real 3d chess

[@jeffreyestahl]

They were likely shooting at the attacking unit behind the tower (it's on the same vector), though it's possible it was deliberate.

[@RyanTheHero3]

Funny how just the other day me and my friends were playing this the other day

[@Steve-oc1hw]

@ 0:21 "definitely not my least favorite" I can tell Apollo is not excited about this video

[@funkynugget1482]

Defenders got big brain strategy

[@Contrax-]

Ye Boi another samurai vid nice thanks appollo

[@dougkles4699]

Epic Battle

[@fabianhartendorf9609]

Can't you see the Hanzo Shadows? God bless them!

[@Lazy_Dog1997]

I don't remember Japanese having any big siege weapons. The biggest tools for siege battles in Japanese times would be ladders, pavises, and fire.

[@hachchch]

However, Japan had several siege tactics to cut off supplies.

[@Lazy_Dog1997]

@P-Gat836 True, however, I'm just replying to Apollo's request for siege ladders, which doesn't exist in Sengoku Era. Just normal ladder.

[@lone__11]

Ah, as always apollo continues to question the players of shogun 2

[@bloombyfaith40]

Here's the problem I have with the 20 minute time limit; the defender has almost every advantage. All they have to do, like demonstrated here to an extent, is fight a delaying action long enough to eat the clock. Gameplay-wise, it works out perfectly. Realistically, the defenders would likely be slaughtered. I would like to see this same scenario played out with either a much longer timer or none at all.

[@andreirazboi7769]

The samurai have a flag, :purple flag is hydeosi dinastii and the White flag is leyasu dinasti (i like japan history). This samurai and dinasti are from 1590 (a civil war to 150 years)

[@Sorry_2026]

Those bombs were from red's Kisho ninja. Tokitaka's tanegashima are a gun unit

[@Redmoon415]

I like this video I hope you do more stuff like this keep it up.

[@storytime6263]

The ghost comes *Samurai left the game*

[@tauceti8341]

I like to think Pixie just gets thrashed on some Kentucky Burbon before the matches which is why he occasionally slurs his words

[@nathanjohnson3351]

Apollo you should play more totally accurate battle Simulator reenactment battles

[@doncorleone7940]

If this was real, ill cut off their food supply then lay siege for 1 year.

[@merkytippery]

This was such a cheese match 😂

[@danielbutchers998]

If red dose not push up the troops then they can’t brake in doing that it means the attackers only way to win is to capture the centre

[@TheFrenchMonk]

Epic!

[@jongholee1883]

One of the defenders had Hanzo's Shadows. They are ninja unit that carry explosives. They were the ones that were causing the explosions during the final stand at the town center. It was not heavy gunners! Refer me as "Jong Ho" as it is a Korean name that has no middle name.

[@darth-hmd7511]

What mods did you used in this video?... The game looks Amazing!

[@copyorange]

That's just how Shogun 2 looks.

[@FinnCarter-x5l]

The defenders had enough troops that even if the timer didn’t run out they still would have run

[@121sbaker]

Their my favorite

[@voidericspenceracemperor9710]

I keep committing war crimes in this game lmao

[@peraticti]

that's not chees that's some kings and generals shit

[@fortunekarma1391]

Well apollo, vanilla shogun2 ashigaru can form spear wall where FOTS ashigaru cannot form spear wall. So vanilla ashigaru are essentially pikes.

[@MrGufi-nf2jz]

Try doing a battle of Dybbøl in Napoleon total war

[@jumperwilli7770]

Damn apollo is investing in trebor replays

Well, after every protest in comment section on the others replays that he uploaded in the last 2 months, it is matter of time it happened. XD

[@jumperwilli7770]

@ lmao, at least he got what he wanted, good for him

@@jumperwilli7770 All of us must be persistent, i was lucky to watch our battle replay in the first intend.

[@ゲーム小ネタ大全]

Great!

[@ryanpollack9849]

Say what you will about shogun 2, but the troop models are beautiful

[@ViktoriousDead]

Most people like it, so......

[@Red-bw5kl]

Great video And btw pixie the explosions were fire bombs thrown by ninjas (red team)

[@xoDANGERZONEox]

That game sound at the end of video ❤❤❤

[@jordanleonard8198]

Bow samurai were vital here 18:10