Sapient Thoughts #2: Does the Quran say the world is flat?

Sapient Thoughts #2: Does the Quran say the world is flat? | Mohammed Hijab

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@wolfal-hayani8398 4 жыл бұрын

the early muslims thought the earth is round. one of the evidences is that they calculated the earth circumference them selves and it was very close to the modern calculations. the one who has done the calculations was the muslim scholar Al-Biruni with his book Al-Qānūn al-Masʿūdi or Canon Masudicu.

@CardonKhwarizmi 4 жыл бұрын

Their name were Muḥammad ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir; Abū al‐Qāsim, Aḥmad ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir; and Al-Ḥasan ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir, also know as 3 Musa brothers. They calculated the circumference of the earth from the angle at Red sea when people thought earth is flat.

@wolfal-hayani8398 4 жыл бұрын

@@CardonKhwarizmi im not sure tho. maybe Al-Biruni came later after them and calculated the circumference again using his methode. not the greeks methode

@HasanJawaidShaikh12 4 жыл бұрын

Assalam o Laikum Im really surprised by this SubhanAllah MashaAllah May Allah Grant you and me more knowledge about Islam and its History to Counter Anti Islamic Questions ❣

@ashraf6435 4 жыл бұрын

They indeed did but why?. They literally took it from Ptolamy, who took it from earlier greek thinkers, there's a body of information so vast it's unbelievable that muslims still have to regurgitate the same old (earlier muslims) nonsense. From pythagoras to Plotinas, to Plato, Parmanides, empedecles to name a few, especially Plato (Timeaus) which literally references empedocles' weird elemental cosmogony. 'Muslim scholars' only superimposed ptolamy and hellenic cosmography onto the Quran, as they are still doing today unfortunately. READ, READ, READ, dont listen, listen, listen!.

@ashraf6435 4 жыл бұрын

Mathematics isn't the 'end all and be all' of things, it requires and is preceded by 'input', that 'input' could be fictitious, mathematics will show you a calculation anyways. Let's calculate the power of Thanos' snap, or Saitama's punch, you can do that (there are channels experimenting with that); likewise, if your input, or primary is a imaginary cosmological setting, you can still apply mathematical enquiries anyway!, math isnt what you think it is, if your presuppositions are fictional, you can calculate it to kingdom come, still be fictitious.

@ciismanakh9707 3 жыл бұрын

I'm Somali, so I listen to tafsir in somali, where the sheikh translated the word Al Ardh as meaning only the lands and made a difference between the planet and the lands, and he also translated the word Al sama which often in english translated as heaven but in reality means everything which is above you. So I notice Ardh means the lands or continents which is not the full planet, but only the ground we step on which is actually flat or spread like a bed, and when Allah talks about the full planet He describes it as spherical in form. I even looked up the english word for "earth" and found that it has two meanings, once which is the ground only and the other meaning which is the full planet, so even in english earth means lands only.

@techz5667 3 жыл бұрын

@CabdifataaxCardio 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah my brother I Am also Somali he the creator Allah says in Quran “ ‏لا ياتيه الباطل من بين يديه ولا من خلفه” this is truth another verse he creator says ‏الا يعلم من خلق وهو اللطيف الخبير which shows us this universe is created by the creator himself so what ever he said regarding his creation it’s must to servants to believe it if almighty says earth is Cupic or trapezium we must believe cuz he created and he has actual knowledge regrading it ! Similarly planet is spherical as Allah mention Surah inshiqaq” ‏وإذا الأرض مدت” the time that earth is flattened so interpretators said if earth is flattened in the day of judgement this means earth had another shape before occurrence of judgement day in conclusion disbelievers are true enemy of Allah and Mohamed ﷺ and Islam nothing else they want except to destroy and annihilate Islam ☪️ may allah keep faith in our heart also make us those exactly understand his voice and sincerely believe what he says

@sambulbul1540 2 жыл бұрын

I am somali and i do listen to tafseer from somali culuma like the late sheikh cumar faruq. The earth if flat like pancake and the earth is not like a ⚽️ like how NASA depicted all these years. The earth is also round like a pancake in a circumnavigational path for sailing. The quran clearly states the sun and the moon rotate but the recently the so called sheikhs of today want to say earth is a ball shape. When there’s no prove at all.

@khubaibkhan7889 2 жыл бұрын

Jazakallah hum Khaira brother ❤❤❤

@polite.cat.has.playlists Жыл бұрын

Jazakallah

@ahmedyamany5065 4 жыл бұрын

Jazakallah khair. We need to say that the word “ الأرض el Ard 'earth, land' " in many contexts in the Qur’an does not refer to the planet “Earth” but rather refers to the ground or land on which we walk

@markward3981 4 жыл бұрын

Interesting point . References , elaborate please. I am not arguing just dialogue. Thanks

@mohamednoorali8080 4 жыл бұрын

I was taught the same in madrassa, kowkab was for planets and other heavenly bodies if I remember correctly

@2manyusernamestaken548 4 жыл бұрын

Most translations I have read seem to translate it to earth. :thinking_face:

@mohamednoorali8080 4 жыл бұрын

@@2manyusernamestaken548 in the context of how it is understood though,

@bouterelfo9439 4 жыл бұрын

⚠️ لأحمد دعدوش هداه الله! هل سوف تلعن الشيطان و تدع الغرور و التّكبّر جانباً و تسمع الرد المحترم و المثقف لإخوانك المسلمين الذين وصفتهم بكل وقاحة بكل شتيمة وقحة و ألغيت التعليقات على المقطع؟ (أتساءل، لماذا صحفي مثقف مثلك لجئ للشتم و السّب؟) أدعك لتنظر جهلك و تخلّفك الذي بويّن لك بكل إحترام و تقدير مع أنّك المخطء في حقنا. لكن نحن نتّبع كلام الله و سنة نبيه صلى الله عليه وسلم : kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5Kxnp6jf659qKc (لمن يريد مدى معرفة، السيد المثقف أحمد دعدوش، للأرض المسطحة، هو نفسه الذي يسأل : "هل سنسقط إذا ذهبنا إلى حافة الأرض؟" تخيّلو... لا حول و لا قوة إلا بالله، اللهم آرنا الحق حق و ارزقنا اتباعه و آرنا الباطل باطل و ارزقنا اجتنابه

@Талсе 3 жыл бұрын

Quran 71:19 "And Allah has made the earth FOR YOU as a carpet (spread out)." In our perspective the world isn't round it's spread out

@zaxxbegge8309 3 жыл бұрын

M. Hijab just answered the question according to the earliest exegetical scholars. If you want to stay blind, stay blind😬🤦‍♂️

@slimy6316 3 жыл бұрын

@@zaxxbegge8309 lol you didn't even reply to his comment. Your the blind one. Enjoy your ignorance

@aaronmorningstar7377 3 жыл бұрын

wtf ?how can you spread out a matter or anything it it wasn't flat ? can you spread out round shaped matters ?

@aburubel8648 2 жыл бұрын

Round Balloon,, also can spread out..its simple... 👌Quran 57:6 ""He causes the night to enter the day and causes the day to enter the night"" it only possible,, if Earth is round.. 👌Earth is carpet means,, to take rest beautifully,,, 40km down of Earth have fair,,We cannot walk on it,,,So allah puts carpet on it...

@hahaloser3914 8 ай бұрын

the land of earth is flat, the planet earth is spherical, what are you arguing for?

@fares_of_arabia 4 жыл бұрын

As for Ibn Hazm, he said that the heavens (the sky) is above the earth, and not around it, for if the heavens were around the earth, this then means that some parts of the heavens would be beneath the earth, and there is no such thing.

@Easyeastallstar111 4 жыл бұрын

Literally. Where is Allah if I am in USA or Australia. Up is only in one direction.

@condorianonegdiffsgoku 4 жыл бұрын

Anyone can see your deception thoroughly.

@MrMajeed7 9 ай бұрын

That makes no sense (beneath the earth). Where is "beneath the earth?" The earth is spherical and every inch of it, the sky is above it.

@DaGoatObito 4 ай бұрын

@@MrMajeed7 You don't see the problem? Allah being above us, but when the sky is from every POV, then we would be above him. Logic

@shehabgamal8640 4 ай бұрын

@@DaGoatObitoAllah literally above us?, to what extent would that be, above other planets too, above the sky dome in the flat earth model ? Maybe we shouldn't take it literally.

@Det.Ash12 3 жыл бұрын

Don't argue with these non Muslims in comments they're stubborn and are just here because they've nothing else to do and just spreading hate everywhere. Had they been sincere they would've focused on whats being said and at least disagree respectfully.

@Imayebrook 3 жыл бұрын

really, cuz I think mslms are THE most stubborn ppl. Ex muslims MINDS opened and are very few who are not stubborn but to you guys its like OH NOO islam has to be right on everything.

@cosmic_light2763 3 жыл бұрын

@@Imayebrookhello, why do u support those Ex-Muslim? Some of them disrespect our relegion. Also Islam must be right at everything. Its not a plain old relegion. It has answers for everything

@Imayebrook 3 жыл бұрын

@@cosmic_light2763 im an exmuslim with no shame

@ahmedesam5024 3 жыл бұрын

@@Imayebrook and why is that

@Imayebrook 3 жыл бұрын

@@ahmedesam5024 Dont I have the right to?

@QuranicRemembrance 4 жыл бұрын

I remember when I was younger (early teens), someone tried to use that argument against me. All I had to say was “spread out land” or “spread out earth” doesn’t really contradict the spherical earth. Just look far into the horizon and see how spread out the earth is for us to live on. The Qur’an is a book of pondering the Creation and finding guidance from the Creator, it is not a book of science. The vastness of the earth that we can perceive is far more important to the human being (in recognizing the Creator) than the spherical shape of the earth. There was literally no Arabic required for me to make that argument. That’s how pathetic their claims are. At the time I didn’t even know that some of the scholars came to a conclusion that the earth is round because the Arabic words used in the verses denote to a spherical earth.

@MrSuperman957 4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. It's so annoying when people use this argument.

@respectfulcritique3684 4 жыл бұрын

Anti-Muslims are searching for anything especially the ignorance of people 😂😂😂😂

@DJMeriMero 4 жыл бұрын

The spherical earth and the Heliocentric model is only 500 years old. Humanity has records as 4000 years old and all ancient civilisations KNEW the earth was FLAT and STATIONARY. The earth is at the center of the Universe, not the SUN. They put the sun in the center because the SUN is their GOD! The Quran is only repeated what came down before Muhammad and all Books of God told us we are living in a firmament a dome. Allah says in the Quran we made a roof ceiling above you as protection. And stretched out earth like a scroll. Never seen a spherical scroll or carpet. And never seen a man leaving his house by the roof. There are a lot of evidence but you rather please the disbelievers and try to imitate them. Those who are blind in this world will be resurrected blind and dumb on the other world.

@MrSuperman957 4 жыл бұрын

@@DJMeriMero Like a scroll? what?

@DJMeriMero 4 жыл бұрын

@@MrSuperman957 go read the Quran stop wasting time on KZbin, Quran was not revealed on The internet

@Alpha-a-bit 4 жыл бұрын

The channel become more interesting with these direct short video.. Jazakum Allah kul khair ..

@bouterelfo9439 4 жыл бұрын

لا حول و لا قوة إلا بالله العلي العظيم. Seek forgiveness from Allah for these nonsense you're spreading. Do you Follow what Allah and his Prophets say or what Nasa and the sciences of the devil says? ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS: - Where Allah, the Prophet and his companions or even the first best generations said: 1. The earth is like a ball. 2. The earth moves. 3. The sun is the center & bigger than the earth and the stars are even bigger than the sun. 4. The earth is like a tiny little floating ball in a space... Etc. of the nonsense you already know that contradicts the Qur’an but you still believe in it and that's a type of shirk that's why I told you to seek forgiveness. 1. Allah tells us that the earth is the center, doesn't move and he always compares it even in it's size with the heavens. (because we only know the lands we discovered and surely there's more but we know we're surrounded by Antarctica (some said it's a 500 years distance to reach other lands and Allah knows best) 2. The sun, moon, day & night are different creatures (why you don't tell your audience that? You're afraid to speak what Allah revealed because they gonna laugh at you? See, that's the main issue here!) 3. There's no such space like NASA shows, Allah said that the stars are only a decoration and we can't go out from the earth because the skies are like a seal for the earth and Allah challenges not only us to try it, but even the jinn can't. Ar-Rahman 55:33-35. (That's right Hijab, recite that verse we all know very beautifully and reflect on it so you start researching the truth that's already very eaay and in front of since you're already a muslim and smart well read man) You can continue to refute the rest of the lies, I gave you the important ones. Even the verse 39:5 which you took to say: see, there's the word Yukawer "wraps" like Kura "ball". Like Really? 🙄 First. It's talking about the day and night and not the earth or even it's shape. Second and maybe I'm gonna shock, since you only have that verse where you got the most closer to reach the meaning of sphere, Kawara in all the arabic dictionaries means to wrap something over something like in some cultures men wrap a type of turban over their heads, it can be done over a round flat thing. IT'S NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE SHAPE RATHER TO DESCRIBE THE PROCESS, COMMON MAN YOU CAN DO BETTER ! ⚠️ Does Allah shy away from telling us what NASA and the current satanic science tells us ? NO !!! Through out all the Qur’an Allah tells us the earth is flat and tge majority of current muslim scholars : "Well... It's talking about how we see it" 🙄🤦🏻‍♂️

@bouterelfo9439 4 жыл бұрын

@Understand•Islam •Series Allah promised us also this : Ar-Rahman 55: 33. O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority [from Allah]. 34. So which of the favors of your Lord would you deny? 35. There will be sent upon you a flame of fire and smoke, and you will not defend yourselves. There's no space like nasa lies about, the earth is flat surrounded by Antarctica and we still don't know what's beyond (some it's a 500 years travel distance) Allah compares the earth with the skies even in the size. Where Allah said the sun is bigger than the earth? Where it sais where in big tiny floating ball in infinite thing called space and where does it sais the earth moves? You wont find none of this nonsense Satanic science in Qur’an!

@bouterelfo9439 4 жыл бұрын

والله أوجعة قلبي لمّ ذكرة "الأرض كروية" (بمفهومنا اليوم أي ككرة قدم) لكن لا تعلم أنه في المعاجم لم ترد بهذا المفهوم، بل بمفهوم مستديرة... kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXeZp393jcuoiac ⚠️أعوذ بالله، أين قال اللَّه أن الأرض كرة؟ و أنها تدور؟ و أنّها كبَذرة شديدة الصِّغر معلّقة في فضاء لا نهائي و أنّ الشّمس أكبر منها؟ إلخ. من علوم الشياطين الّتي سلّمنا إليها بدون بحث شامل. ⚠️هل أنت متناقض و منافق؟ "الله و رسوله أولاً" و أنت في هذا الموضوع، كل معلوماتك من عبدة الشيطان ناسا؟! المرجو عدم التطرق لمواضع لم تتحققو منها، فهذا ما آدى إلى إلحاد الكثير من الشباب لما يكتشفو أن الله قال بسطحية الأرض و قارنها بحجم السموات، الّتي هي سقف محفوظ و مغلق لا يمكن النفاذ منه، لأنها عظيمة و يحيط بها جدار جليدي عملاق و لا نعرف حتى الأن ما وراءه. ✅ المرجو التّواصل مع مشرف قناة REALITY TODAY الذي آجاب بالقرآن و السنة على الأغلبية من الأسئلة. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIK0ZYl9mdJ2qrs اللهم آرنا الحق حقا وارزقنا اتباعه و آرنا الباطل باطلاً و ارزقنا اجتنابه

@bouterelfo9439 4 жыл бұрын

@Ishaq Ibrahim What space are you talking about my brother, By Allah you're all so brainwashed believe me, all the words used to describe the earth in the Quran are all against & contradict the imagination satanic spherical nonsense model. Look how the space thing started between Russia & USA (that were enemies only in politics and even that was only acting like nowadays all the muslim leaders are more zionist than the zionists themselves but go to mosque & pray🤦🏻‍♂️) Take a look at my previous comments 🙄 These videos are in arabic watch them to see the amount of brainwashing I had also, Alhamdu Lillah I found the truth that was in front of me but, not that I closed my eyes but I thought that what we learned in school was the truth and I wasn't even looking for or to it but Alhamdu Lillah Allah guided me to learn and see how much of innovations, false information, misleading people were, etc. And don't forget to check REALITY TODAY channel and the channels he's subscribed to + Al8mnda channel, all are arabic. NAOV for Spanish even though I think he isn't muslim. That's all I know. Share what you have to spread awareness. ❤️ kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3rJlJl4h9RmoNU kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHyaanuvlpWtna8 kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6qydahtr7eJfKs kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5Kxnp6jf659qKc ⚠️ These ones, in arabic also, is another topic with the same issue, It's a surprise : kzbin.info/www/bejne/iGTEm3aAlLGNaac kzbin.info/www/bejne/hGLQiZZ9qLqob80 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGiwonarpdaWZ9U

@hanifali2566 4 жыл бұрын

Assalamu alaykum, it would be nice to have some overlays of the relevant verses and tafasir mentioned

@fuad000100 4 жыл бұрын

True would like to see some recommendations

@whatsreallyinvaccineshealt756 4 жыл бұрын

Science tells us if the sun was a little closer to earth life would end due to hot weather & if the sun was a little further away from earth life would end due to cold weather. Atheist is this by chance the sun is in the perfect spot ❓ Question for every Christian who tries to prove the Quran wrong with Science 👉🏼 As you know science is still searching for God 🔭 Which means science does not believe in the existence of God Christians do you agree with Science on this matter ❓

@rimviislam3402 4 жыл бұрын

True...

@bouterelfo9439 4 жыл бұрын

لا حول و لا قوة إلا بالله العلي العظيم. Seek forgiveness from Allah for these nonsense you're spreading. Do you Follow what Allah and his Prophets say or what Nasa and the sciences of the devil says? ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS: - Where Allah, the Prophet and his companions or even the first best generations said: 1. The earth is like a ball. 2. The earth moves. 3. The sun is the center & bigger than the earth and the stars are even bigger than the sun. 4. The earth is like a tiny little floating ball in a space... Etc. of the nonsense you already know that contradicts the Qur’an but you still believe in it and that's a type of shirk that's why I told you to seek forgiveness. 1. Allah tells us that the earth is the center, doesn't move and he always compares it even in it's size with the heavens. (because we only know the lands we discovered and surely there's more but we know we're surrounded by Antarctica (some said it's a 500 years distance to reach other lands and Allah knows best) 2. The sun, moon, day & night are different creatures (why you don't tell your audience that? You're afraid to speak what Allah revealed because they gonna laugh at you? See, that's the main issue here!) 3. There's no such space like NASA shows, Allah said that the stars are only a decoration and we can't go out from the earth because the skies are like a seal for the earth and Allah challenges not only us to try it, b7t even the jinn can't (That's right Hijab, recite that verse we all know very beautifully and reflect on it so you start researching the truth that's already very eaay and in front of since you're already a muslim and smart well read man) You can continue to refute the rest of the lies, I gave you the important ones. Even the verse 39:5 which you took to say: see, there's the word Yukawer "wraps" like Kura "ball". Like Really? 🙄 First. It's talking about the day and night and not the earth or even it's shape. Second and maybe I'm gonna shock, since you only have that verse where you got the most closer to reach the meaning of sphere, Kawara in all the arabic dictionaries means to wrap something over something like in some cultures men wrap a type of turban over their heads, it can be done over a round flat thing. IT'S NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE SHAPE RATHER TO DESCRIBE THE PROCESS, COMMON MAN YOU CAN DO BETTER ! ⚠️ Does Allah shy away from telling us what NASA and the current satanic science tells us ? NO !!! Through out all the Qur’an Allah tells us the earth is flat and tge majority of current muslim scholars : Well... It's talking about how we see it 🙄🤦🏻‍♂️

@bouterelfo9439 4 жыл бұрын

IT'S NOT AGAINST THE QUR’AN !!! WHAT WILL YOU SAY WHEN MORE PEOPLE START TO SEE THE LIES OF THE CURRENT SATANIC ATHEIST SCIENCE ? OR EVEN WORSE, ⚠️ WHAT WILL YOU SAY IN FRONT OF ALLAH WHEN HE ASKS YOU WHY DID YOU SAY TO PEOPLE THE EARTH IS SPHERICAL WHEN I DIDN'T SAY THAT ?

@mohammadhdiebi3249 4 жыл бұрын

SubhanAllah! Wallahi I was just reading a text titled “Discoveries and opinions of Galileo” and in it he describes the earth from our vantage point as being spread out, and smooth. He then contrasted it with the rough structure of the moon. The point is as brother Hijab mentioned. These verses can be interpreted in a plethora of manners. And strictly going for one interpretation over the other is a exegetical mistake BarakAllahu Feekum and all of Sapience Institute ❤️

@shahjadsadab9222 4 жыл бұрын

Man I gotta contact you.

@mohammadhdiebi3249 4 жыл бұрын

@@shahjadsadab9222 I’d love to have a conversation. If you want my Twitter is @Mohammad_Hdieb reach out whenever you want InshaAllah 👍

@yusufbest4475 Жыл бұрын

@aditya mail high chance it is fake news

@redx11x Жыл бұрын

Does the Suryah Siddanth also teach you to drink cows piss.

@yemi3266 Жыл бұрын

Both are correct

@ceti_9998 6 ай бұрын

This video just made my best friend to convert to Islam. I still remember him joyfully crying and hugging me after the shahada he said that his soul felt free and he told me that he always loved islam and was always interested but this video finally convinced him so. Thank you Mr.Hijab you really are amazing❤ Edit: He was atheist

@alenorraiden1 4 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@alenorraiden1 4 ай бұрын

I showed this video to my village people. They cried joyfully and converted to Islam.

@MdIuKbEz 3 ай бұрын

Hijab is wring and he lies regularly

@spafl4sh391 3 ай бұрын

Omg amazing! ❤

@ceti_9998 3 ай бұрын

@@spafl4sh391 update: he's still happy🥰🥰

@techz5667 3 жыл бұрын

The Word Earth أرض is mentioned 461 times in quran. Depending on the Qur’anic context the meaning could be Earth or land. I think it is wrong to say that the quran say earth's shape is ellipsoid. However, Some scholars like ibn hazm said there are some verse which indicate the shape of earth. I think you gave the perfect answer hijab. Because we can't say these verses like 39:5 talks about earth's shape. They are not talking about earth's shape. Like you said Scholars analysed those verses and based on the things said in those verse they said that earth's shape could be sphere. But quran didn't use the word sphere or ellipsoid. Also Quran doesn't say the shape of the earth is flat. Like i said the word أرض depends on context. It is used 461 times in quran.🙂

@kabbosarker526 3 жыл бұрын

Muslim argument ( basically Zakir Naik's argument) : In ancient times, people thought that the earth on which we live is flat. In 1577AD, Sir Francis Drake (An English naval officer and explorer) proved as tge first man that the earth is round. Quran told us this 1400 years ago. Here are three Surahs(Quranic chapters) - Al Quran Surah Luqmaan Surah 31 Ayah 29 : Here it says that Allah slowly and gradually merges the day into night and the night into day. It is only possible if the earth is spherical. Because in a flat earth, this change would be sudden. Thus here the Quran indicates a spherical earth. Al Quran Surah Al Zumar Surah 39 Ayah 5 : Here it says the same thing again Quran Surah Al Naazi'aat Surah 79 Ayah 30 : وَٱلْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ دَحَىٰهَآ⁠ ❝ wa-l-ʾarḍa baʿda dhālika daḥāhā ❞ "As for the earth, He spread it out as well" - Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran "And after that He spread the earth" - Saheeh International Here the it says Allah spread the earth. Here the word دَحَىٰهَآ (daḥāhā) has two meaning one 'spread' and other is 'egg' mainly ostrich egg. It comes from the arabic word 'duhiya' which means 'ostrich egg'. We know that the earth is not s perfect sphere like a ball. It is squeezed like an ostrich egg. Thus Quran not only says that the earth is round, but also accurately says it's shape. It is a miracle. Islam is miracle. Islam is true. Wo hoo! Counter Argument : First two Quranic verses (31:29 & 39:5) : This is a real funny argument. The day gradually turns into night and vice versa. This can be observed with naked eyes. There is not a single moment before which it is day and after which it is night. The day cycle is : Early morning → morning → noon → after noon → evening → night → mid night. And it repeats. Because the Earth is round, this happens. That's why we can find a gradual transition from day to night and night to day. It is true. But this is clearly observable. Not some discovery. It is a childish argument. It is not at all expected from such a renowned person like Zakir Naik. 😂😂😂 The last Quranic verse (79:30) : 1. The word in the 30th verse of 79th chapter of Quran, 'daḥāhā' does not come from the word 'duhiya'. Here 'daha' means 'to spread' and 'ha' means 'it'. So 'dahaha' means, 'he spread it (The Earth)'. 2. The word 'duhiya' doesn’t mean 'ostrich egg'. It means the place where an ostrich lays down her egg. Which of course is a flat place 3. The shape of the Earth does not resemble the shape of an ostrich egg at all. It makes absolutely no sense. The Earth is spherical shaped (almost spherical as it's polar circumference is just 67km less than it's equatorial circumference. Which is negligible in comparison with it's circumference. So we can call it a ball ) whereas an ostrich egg is ovule shaped. The Earth can be better compared to an orange. If you say that the earth is orange shaped as it is a little squeezed from North to South. It is acceptable to a great extend. But comparing the Earth's shape to that of an ostrich egg, is a disastrously absurd argument. 4. Overall there is one single point that destroys Quran's divinity is that Sir Francis Drake in 1577, Colombus in1492 or Sir Francis Drake in 1543 none of them (as many people think) proved that our planet is round. The earth was known to be round since Aristotle. The great Greek philosopher and mathematician Aristotle proved that Earth is round or spherical almost 2300 years ago through his famous book 'On The Heaven'. Since then, almost all educated individuals and the elite rulers even ordinarily merchants knew that our earth on which we live is a sphere. So if Quran claims the earth to be spherical, it wouldn’t make it miraculous (it basically indicates a flat earth) So Muslim argument here is smashed down to the ground. It is clear that Allah, the writer of Quran( according to Islamic teachings) was an ignorant of 7th century Arabia. He filled Quran with ignorance. 🖕🖕🖕👎👎👎👎

@marlonbarrow9379 2 жыл бұрын

@@kabbosarker526 even in the Bible Moses wrote over 3,500 yrs ago the Earth hangs/suspends upon nothing ,and Isaiah wrote about 2,800yrs ago the Earth is round in its shape when he says that God dwells above the"circle"of the Earth.....long long in advance before it was proven for sure that it was

@proslayer3233 Жыл бұрын

@@kabbosarker526 source, trust me bro🤣🤣🤣

@Zizou-il6qh Жыл бұрын

@@kabbosarker526nice copy paste kafir. You just added some emojis at the end according to your IQ which is negative btw

@yemi3266 Жыл бұрын

@@kabbosarker526 you just played yourself 🤡

@Min.propaganda 8 ай бұрын

Quran has said that , have they not seen that the earth is "spread out" or "laid out like a carpet".... A carpet doesn't seem spherical to me

@HofocyovYclychocc 7 ай бұрын

Right 🙋🔥🔥

@natebrook 7 ай бұрын

Correct. These people would use their mental gymnastic to fit their narrative. The Quran literally said the truth. Shame on them.

@Fragranament 6 ай бұрын

The evidence that the earth is round includes the following: Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “He created the heavens and earth for a true purpose; He wraps the night around the day and the day around the night” [az-Zumar 39:5]. Ibn Hazm and others quoted this verse as evidence. Now think, there were no scientific evidence that the earth is round at their time.

@Fragranament 6 ай бұрын

Again it was not the Muslim scholars who claimed that the earth is flat. It was the atheist scientists who believed in the flat earth theory few decades ago.

@Min.propaganda 6 ай бұрын

@@Fragranament Bruh even the Greeks , the Hindus and the Buddhists believed that earth is round .... Which Muhammad did not , it was just Al biruni who thought that it could be possible that the idea of a flat earth(which he himself called the idea of Indians and the greeks) and he had cleared that Quran has said that earth is flat

@shameem6426 4 жыл бұрын

Short video like this is highly beneficial. I suggest you to keep the video not exceeding 15-20 mins.

@oof8850 4 жыл бұрын

I agree these are incredible. I can watch a few before going to bed

@bouterelfo9439 4 жыл бұрын

لا حول و لا قوة إلا بالله العلي العظيم. Seek forgiveness from Allah for these nonsense you're spreading. Do you Follow what Allah and his Prophets say or what Nasa and the sciences of the devil says? ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS: - Where Allah, the Prophet and his companions or even the first best generations said: 1. The earth is like a ball. 2. The earth moves. 3. The sun is the center & bigger than the earth and the stars are even bigger than the sun. 4. The earth is like a tiny little floating ball in a space... Etc. of the nonsense you already know that contradicts the Qur’an but you still believe in it and that's a type of shirk that's why I told you to seek forgiveness. 1. Allah tells us that the earth is the center, doesn't move and he always compares it even in it's size with the heavens. (because we only know the lands we discovered and surely there's more but we know we're surrounded by Antarctica (some said it's a 500 years distance to reach other lands and Allah knows best) 2. The sun, moon, day & night are different creatures (why you don't tell your audience that? You're afraid to speak what Allah revealed because they gonna laugh at you? See, that's the main issue here!) 3. There's no such space like NASA shows, Allah said that the stars are only a decoration and we can't go out from the earth because the skies are like a seal for the earth and Allah challenges not only us to try it, b7t even the jinn can't (That's right Hijab, recite that verse we all know very beautifully and reflect on it so you start researching the truth that's already very eaay and in front of since you're already a muslim and smart well read man) You can continue to refute the rest of the lies, I gave you the important ones. Even the verse 39:5 which you took to say: see, there's the word Yukawer "wraps" like Kura "ball". Like Really? 🙄 First. It's talking about the day and night and not the earth or even it's shape. Second and maybe I'm gonna shock, since you only have that verse where you got the most closer to reach the meaning of sphere, Kawara in all the arabic dictionaries means to wrap something over something like in some cultures men wrap a type of turban over their heads, it can be done over a round flat thing. IT'S NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE SHAPE RATHER TO DESCRIBE THE PROCESS, COMMON MAN YOU CAN DO BETTER ! ⚠️ Does Allah shy away from telling us what NASA and the current satanic science tells us ? NO !!! Through out all the Qur’an Allah tells us the earth is flat and tge majority of current muslim scholars : Well... It's talking about how we see it 🙄🤦🏻‍♂️

@bouterelfo9439 4 жыл бұрын

@BassProFlops 4 жыл бұрын

I like how the background (seems) to stay the same and its just the speaker that's changing. The real, non green screen background makes these videos look nice as well, but I think the thumbnails could use some work to keep the style consistent and more appealing. Just some constructive criticism because I want Sapient Thoughts to blow up!!! May Allah guide many through you guys.

@mr.k7534 3 жыл бұрын

۞ وَسَارِعُوا إِلَىٰ مَغْفِرَةٍ مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ وَجَنَّةٍ عَرْضُهَا السَّمَاوَاتُ وَالْأَرْضُ أُعِدَّتْ لِلْمُتَّقِينَ (133)

@osmaahma1479 2 жыл бұрын

They think its against islam but the earth is infact flat. Before rejecting it we should look into this

@BeastGotClipped Жыл бұрын

yea then how do u explain the quran saying that the earth revolves in an orbit? and how time differs from place to place

@zeynsolo Жыл бұрын

@@BeastGotClipped give me the verse that says the earth revolves in an orbit because there is NO such verse

@iabed1284 Жыл бұрын

@@zeynsolo my dad told me about a verse comparing the Sun and Moon orbiting the Earth like in Hajj/pilgrimage. This may still be possible if the Earth is flat tho. Let me find the verse

@md.armanhassan7727 4 жыл бұрын

these small videos are pretty helpful all of the videos of sapience institute are quite huge would be really helpful if u guys can make more short videos jajakallahu khairun

@thenabizzle89 3 жыл бұрын

39:5 can be applied to a geocentric model. Just like evolution is posed as fact so is heliocentricism

@demetriusdemarcusbartholom5904 3 жыл бұрын

@Luis Salinas facts even tafsir tabari agrees with you this gives me chills amazing how he knew its spherical liike day goes in a ball thats crazy

@danielsingh952 4 жыл бұрын

The Quran is clear in it's statements. But the historical scholars and exegetes practice the miracle of reinterpretation! I choose the Quran since that is what has been revealed.

@iskander1080 4 жыл бұрын

are you a scholar of classical Arabic? If not, then you believe in an English translation(which is really a person's interpretation) of the Quran, and not the actual thing.

@condorianonegdiffsgoku 4 жыл бұрын

Watch the video before talking.

@condorianonegdiffsgoku 4 жыл бұрын

I can say the same thing about your bible. Would you then accept wicca religion?

@slimy6316 3 жыл бұрын

@@iskander1080 are you an Arabic scholar? If not then you believe in the English translation (which is really a person's interpretation) of the quran and not the actual thing.

@miqbalcassim 4 жыл бұрын

Jazakallah Khairan. Since this topic has created major confusion among many young Muslims. It would be better if Brother Hijab could put out more detailed analysis with references.

@RizzAppple Жыл бұрын

Earth isva spehere

@Killshot15 Жыл бұрын

Yes me and my mother just were talking about and she thought I was crazy cause I think the earth is a sphere and she thinks it’s flat

@unitedummah8292 4 жыл бұрын

Ridvan may had an anxiety attack so he didn't watch this video and the points made by u guys 1000s of time on internet! 😗

@ehumannh6215 3 жыл бұрын

2:54 as you mentioned , every single one of those are running in AN orbit... this means clearly the earth is steady.

@ahmedesam5024 3 жыл бұрын

um no in no way does this indicate that and sun does move in space, it does orbit but it doesnt orbit the earth quran doesnt say sun orbits earth

@beehivepattern5695 4 жыл бұрын

Bed is smooth, if it not it was uncomfortable. The arguments is so weak to determine the earth is flat, even though the flatness is still debatable for example the roughness is an exceptions due to vastness of space size. Also the mountains is Smooth base on math curvature, if it not it was a straight tall wall. Also the Arabic words has plenty of meaning, like word spread can be rolled like and egg.

@stargazer4526 Жыл бұрын

As a Flat Earth Muslim I can explain a flat earth explanation for every single point Br Hijab has raised

@jacebenesch 5 ай бұрын

I’m a revert and I think it is a firmament too. I looked into it a bit a while back. NASA claims 8 inches per mile squared on the curvature😂

@KHe3CaspianXI 5 ай бұрын

iam a FLAT EARTHER too

@zillasharie4982 3 жыл бұрын

Asalamualykum, i have a question. The current scientific heliocentric model would make more sense if the statement in Qur'an was to be "we have made the moon subservient to the earth and the earth subservient to the sun" . Whereas The holy Qur'an shows us a different perspective, in which the sun and the moon both are subservient to the earth. i have not come across the notion that The earths gravitational forces - or any other force for that matter - somehow keep the sun subservient to earth from a physics point of view? Please shed some light on this, i would love to hear your thoughts. Pardon any ignorance on my part.

@voetbalmeester1 3 жыл бұрын

Isnt the sun quite subservient to the earth by providing us heat and light which without it would mean certain death of all living organisms on earth? If we look at the heliocentric model, the earth is at the exact right location for optimal life conditions (the general temprature on earth) if we look at the other planets on the heliocentric model we would have even frozen to death or burned to death.

@tariqkamal6141 3 жыл бұрын

1---In quran word spread mean , Volcano activity , When volcano pure lawa , and lawa spread , which later become land for us to live, that how our world is created , 2----Smooth the earth means How erosion make the rocks broken in sand so we can harvest, 3----Bed according to quran Bed means resting place,in space we can't rest, we will floating around, 4---- changing day in night and night into day , Which means night and day part of same day,also says it's can't be possible on flat earth,also mean night come first and day second, which means a lot of things 5---- some people make statements or give theory about things and they were muslim didn't mean they were inspired by quran at be their own opinions,

@eerievon2208 3 жыл бұрын

thank u for explaining this brother Hijab.. may Allah grants u more knowledge insya allah.. 😀😀

@528hrtz Жыл бұрын

When he quotes a verse that he claims declares the earth is shaped like an egg, so lets take a really close look at that. The claim here is that 79:30 reads “And we have made the earth egg shaped”, but does it? Nope, it does not, his claimed translation is the true dishonesty here, the quran says no such thing. Arabic: والارض بعد ذلك دحاها Transliteration: Waal-arda baAAda thalika dahaha Literal: And the earth/Planet Earth after that He blew and stretched/spread it. What is going on here is that a couple of translations have attempted to translate the word dahaha to mean made egg-shaped or like an ‘ostrich egg’, but that is wrong. The attempt to justify this is to claim that the root word for dahaha is duhiya which means ostrich egg, but even that is not correct either. In Arabic, each word must be derived from its root. The root usually consists of three letters that can be manipulated, by adding vowels, prefixes and suffixes in order to produce different words with different meanings. For example, “ka-ta-ba” (to write) is the root for many words such as kitab (book), maktaba (library), katib (author), maktoob (written), kitabat (writings), etc… Let’s now take the word mentioned to mean egg of an ostrich, “Duhiya”. This word is not a root. It is a noun and is derived from “da-ha-wa”, the same root that the verb “dahaha” comes from. Furthermore, Duhiya does not even mean the egg of an ostrich. To daha the earth means to spread it out, there is no egg shape here at all, and that is why most good translations correctly render it as streatched or spread. We are right back to a flat earth once again. 15:19 And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance. 20:53 He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky.” With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others. 43:10 (Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out, and has made for you roads (and channels) therein, in order that ye may find guidance (on the way); 50:7 And the earth- We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs)

@eerievon2208 Жыл бұрын

@@528hrtz The Earth’s Condition Stated in the Quran Allah SWT explains about the earth using several words describing it. Among the words used to describe the earth are, “We spread” (Surah al-Hijr: 19), “spread/expanse” (Surah al-Naba’:6, Surah al-Baqarah: 22, Surah Nuh: 19, Surah al-Nazi’at :30) and “spread out” (Surah al-Ghasyiah: 20). Allah SWT states: الَّذِي جَعَلَ لَكُمُ الْأَرْضَ فِرَاشًا وَالسَّمَاءَ بِنَاءً “[He] who made for you the earth a bed [spread out]” Surah al-Baqarah (22) Allah SWT states: وَالْأَرْضَ مَدَدْنَاهَا وَأَلْقَيْنَا فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ وَأَنبَتْنَا فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ شَيْءٍ مَّوْزُونٍ “And the earth - We have spread it and cast therein firmly set mountains and caused to grow therein [something] of every well-balanced thing.” Surah al-Hijr (19) Allah SWT states: وَهُوَ الَّذِي مَدَّ الْأَرْضَ وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ وَأَنْهَارًا “And it is He who spread the earth and placed therein firmly set mountains and rivers;” Surah al-Ra’d (3) Allah SWT states: وَالْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ دَحَاهَا ﴿٣٠﴾ أَخْرَجَ مِنْهَا مَاءَهَا وَمَرْعَاهَا “And after that He spread the earth. He extracted from it its water and its pasture,” Surah al-Nazi’at (30-31) Allah SWT states: وَإِلَى الْأَرْضِ كَيْفَ سُطِحَتْ “And at the earth - how it is spread out?” Surah al-Ghasyiah (20) Does spread or spreading out of the earth necessarily only means that it is flat or level? Syeikh ‘Abd al-Rahman al-Sa’di defines (وَالْأَرْضَ مَدَدْنَاهَا) as: “We has widen (spread) the earth as far as the eyes could see for humans and animals to travel, find sustenance and live in all corners of the earth.” (See Taisir al-Karim al-Rahman fi Tafsir Kalam al-Mannan, pg. 1/347) When we study the word (دَحَاهَا), salafussoleh divides it into two: Qatadah, al-Suddi and Sufyan al-Thauri understood the word as spreading out. Ibn ‘Abbas, Ibn Juraij and Ibn Zaid understood its meaning as Allah SWT extracted water, livestock and natural resources for humans. (See al-I’jaz al-‘Ilmi: Ila Aina?, 120-121) Syeikh Ibn 'Asyur defines the word ( بِسَاطًا) when he commented on verse 19 Surah Nuh: “The word al-bisat means anything that is spread to sleep or sit on, whether it is a type of clothing or carpet. The description of earth as being spread out is a balaghah comparison to spreads. The similar characteristic (wajh syabah) of earth to a spread is, it enables people to travel or sleep on it. It does not mean that the earth is created flat by Allah SWT, for the earth is a sphere. The meaning is clear for the verse continues with the phrase ‘for you’ (لَكُمُ ). This is appropriate for the reason is not stated, which is so that you could walk or travel. Both reasons are signs of the blessings for humans from the heavens and earth, such as farm animals and vegetation, to the specific blessing that enables humans to walk on earth.” Hence, the words used, which means flat or level are just their literal meaning, but the contextual meaning from the verse is different. Scholars’ Opinion Regarding the Shape of the Earth Islamic scholars agreed that the earth is a circle. Although, the circle is not an absolute circle, but may be a sphere or a spherical-like shape like an egg. This is supported by modern and scientific findings. Here we include the scholars’ opinions regarding the spherical shape of the earth. Imam Fakhruddin al-Razi: “It has been proven through sound and correct facts that the shape of the earth is a sphere, then, how can someone still be unreasonable (refuse to accept the truth) in this issue?” (See Tafsir Mafatih al-Ghaib, 19/5) Abu Hayyan al-Andalusi cited the opinion of Abdullah al-Darani: “It has been proven that the earth is a circle (spherical). This does not contradict Allah SWT’s statement: (مَدُّ الأَرْضِ) The earth is spread out. The reason is, earth is a huge matter that certain parts of it would be a spread of visible land.” (See al-Bahr al-Muhit, 6/346) Syeikh Muhammad al-Amin bin Muhammad al-Mukhtar al-Syanqiti When commenting on verses 30-31 of Surah al-Nazi’at, our teacher Syeikh Muhammad al-Amin bin Muhammad al-Mukhtar al-Syanqiti emphasized the need to consult with Muslim experts in the field of astronomy, who agreed that the earth is a circle or a sphere. Syeikh Ibn ‘Asyur Ibn ‘Asyur comments on the word (يُكَوِّرُ) in Surah al-Zumar verse 5 stating: “Al-Takwir means folding or rolling up. As for kawwara al-‘Imamah, it means the folding or rolling of a turban. Takwir from the verse means the comparison of the change of night and day on one side of the earth, alternating with each other. This analogy is unique and acceptable for the changing of night and day is compared to the folding of the turban on a circular head. This is one of the Qurans’ scientific miracles, for the word takwir used refers to kurrah which means spherical. Hence, the earth is spherical. This fact is unknown to the Arabs and humans, until the Quran explains the two elements of the changing of dark to light, or night and day.” (See al-Tahrir wa al-Tanwir, 23/238) Syeikh Abd Rahman al-Sa’di states: “The spread of the earth meant (in this verse) does not deny the earth is circular (spherical) and is surrounded by thousands of stars, as has been proven by evidences of our minds, senses and statements and testimonies of experts, who are able to determine the things that are far and wide using the latest technology. For a spread only denies the spherical shape of a small sphere. However, the earth’s size is huge, and a gigantic sphere will be seen as a spread, thus both facts do not contradict each other.” (See Taisir al-Karim al-Rahman, pg. 2/211-212) Early Scholars’ Opinions Regarding the Shape of the Earth Other than the opinions of tafsir scholars, we also include the opinions of early scholars regarding this issue: Ibnu Hazm al-Zahiri “They state: Indeed, there are evidences that prove the earth is a circle, while there are still some people that claim otherwise. And our answer (for guidance comes only from Allah SWT): The leaders of the believers are those who are qualified and are knowledgeable in the field, does not deny that the earth is a circle. There are no evidences from any of them that denies this fact. Furthermore, evidences from the Quran and Sunnah also prove that the earth is a circle.” (See al-Fasl fi al-Milal wa al-Ahwa' wa al-Nihal, 2/78) Syeikh al-Islam Ibnu Taimiyyah The opinion that the earth is a circle is presented by Syeikh al-Islam Ibnu Taimiyyah, from Abi al-Husain al-Munadi, he said: “The consensus of scholars state that the earth and all of its movements, whether it be on land or at sea are like a circle.” (See Majmu' al-Fatawa, 25/195). He further adds: “They (the scholars) have agreed that the earth’s shape is spherical.” Muhammad ibn Ahmad Syams al-Din al-Maqdisi “As for the earth, it is the same as a ball (a sphere), which is located inside the universe, just like the egg whites inside of an egg.” (See Ahsan al-Taqasim fi Ma'rifah al-Aqalim, 1/58) Ibn Khardazabah Abu al-Qasim Ubaidillah bin Abdillah or also known as Ibn Khardazabah said: “The earth’s characteristics is circular, just like a ball or a marble. It is located in the universe just like the egg whites of an egg.” (See al-Masalik wa al-Mamalik, pg. 4) Ahmad bin Yahya bin Fadhl al-‘Umairi Syihab al-Din He cited the opinion of al-Syarif al-Idrisi in the muqaddimah of Masalik al-Absar fi Mamalik al-Amsar: “Even if the earth is a sphere, it is not a perfect sphere (ovoid/egg-shaped).” Abu Bakr bin Yahya al-Suli In Ibn Khallikan’s book, he states the opinion of Abu Bakr bin Yahya al-Suli: “The spherical shape of the earth is determined through geometry. The distance (diameter) is 8000 farsakh. If we wind a thread around the earth from one point (anywhere on earth), the two ends of the thread would eventually meet each other.” (See Wafayat al-A'yan, 4/359) Abu al-Faraj Ibn al-Jawzi Rahimahullah He said: “The scholars have agreed that the whole earth including frozen water is like a circle (spherical).” (See al-Muntazam fi Tarikh al-Muluk wa al-Umam, 1/184) Imam Syams al-Din al-Zahabi “The earth in the skies is comparable to the fruit inside a watermelon. And the skies surround the earth from all sides. And the proof of this is when a traveller travels from the east to the west non-stop, he would eventually end up back to the place where he begins his travels.” (See Mukhtasar al-'Uluw li' al-'Aliy al-Ghaffar by al-Zahabi, pg. 74-76)

@eerievon2208 Жыл бұрын

@@528hrtz as a muslim.. the issue of whether the earth is flat or round doesn’t matter… because Allah made human n gave them intelligence to study … ponder.. & research… a muslim who believes that the earth is flat is still a muslim n vice versa…. the main reason humans were created .. was to worship Allah s.w.t alone… nothing else…

@eerievon2208 Жыл бұрын

@@528hrtz there’s a difference between translation & tafsir… u cannot understand quran (its arabic language) alone through translation… u nd tafsir frm experts aka muslim scholars.. past n present…

@tariqiftikhar8895 3 ай бұрын

يَا مَعْشَرَ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنسِ إِنِ اسْتَطَعْتُمْ أَن تَنفُذُوا مِنْ أَقْطَارِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ فَانفُذُوا ۚ لَا تَنفُذُونَ إِلَّا بِسُلْطَانٍ [ الرحمن: 33] The word used in this verse is ‘Aqtar’ which is plural of Qatr (in English it means diameter) and word Qatr (diameter) is used for round shape.

@George-iv1hi 13 күн бұрын

Stop lying and fabricating new meanings to quranic words.

@iqbalswati4786 4 жыл бұрын

يَٰمَعْشَرَ ٱلْجِنِّ وَٱلْإِنسِ إِنِ ٱسْتَطَعْتُمْ أَن تَنفُذُوا۟ مِنْ أَقْطَارِ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضِ فَٱنفُذُوا۟ ۚ لَا تَنفُذُونَ إِلَّا بِسُلْطَٰنٍۢ -------------------- O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority [from Allah]. *Quran (**55:33**)* The word (Aqqtar) mean sphear shape. And the earth is of sphear shape.

@MohamedTargam. 3 жыл бұрын

محمد حجاب يحاول ان يثبت ان الارض كروية من اجل اعداء الاسلام وناسا ولكن والله مهما قلتم ستظل الارض مسطحة كما ورد فى القرآن وكما قال الرسول وكما قال المفسرين

@Memesquare1189 6 ай бұрын

It is round and spherical

@liyanareano4571 2 жыл бұрын

Imagine you had dough and were told you had to spread it out, would it look like a ball, no because a ball is the opposite of spread out, the truth is it would look something like a pizza because that is what spread out means, spread out anything in this world and it would never look like a ball, a ball is clumped together

@holagwapa1 4 жыл бұрын

يكور الليل والنهار أقرب إلى دوران القمر والشمس، لما لم يقل يكور الارض، الارض وضعها للانام فكيف يقال الأرض تدور حول نفسها وغيرها ، ان لم تكن وضعت ربما تسبح في الفلك..

@brokenangel7972 3 жыл бұрын

تكوير الليل والنهار المقصود بها الشمس فى النهار والقمر فى الليل.. اى لو اسقطت شعاع الشمس على الارض عند نقطة مع دوران الارض وانتظرت ٢٤ ساعة ليعود الشعاع لنفس النقطة .. فستلاحظ انه يكون دائرة على سطح الارض... وهكذا اشعة القمر تتكور على اشعة الشمس والعكس .... فى تلك الحالة انا ضربت مثال واحد باشعة واحدة طبق هذا على باقى االاشعة لتكون عدد كبير من الدوائر والتى تعرف بالكرة

@heavenandearth9375 3 жыл бұрын

Brother Hijab used Ibn Hazm and the common explanation and argument from surah 39-5 which supposedly a proof that indicates that Earth is a globe, and he says ''takwir'' and overlap of the night over the day can only take place if Earth was a ball, and it is a necessity in that case. This is a false dilemma,, well you can't say that if you have done some research because the reality is that ''takwir' in that verse' makes more sense on a Flat Earth model. We know Al kawru in language dictionary comes from takwir al I'mama or the wrapping of the turban and its opposite is al hawr and that according to all dictionaries and earlier scholars including Ibn Hazm himself. Now how do you wrap a turban over your head? do you move your head around it like Earth does or you rotate the turban around your head? Watch this example for a clear understanding and you can be the judge kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3WzpZyldpaFpKM This verse clearly talks about the action and movement of both matters day and night as they are both a creation of Allah, and that even according to the tafasirs, Tabari, Ibn kathir, Baghawi and most mufasirin. Its hypocritical and also funny that the verse Brother HIjab mentioned and 27-88 are the only hope and always used by Muslim globers to prove the Earth is a globe and spinning where in fact they have nothing to do with Earth whereas the clear ones that clearly describe Earth as stationary and flat, they twist them and say senses can lie and we should not misinterpret them, Subhan Allah the double standard. In helio model , day is just a result of the sunlight and night is the absence of that. In surah 91-2 Allah says'' By the sun and its brightness, and the moon as it follows it, and the day as it unveils it, and the night as it conceals it! And by heaven and ˹the One˺ Who built it, By the earth and Him Who spread it'' Allah says The nigh concealing ‘it’’ the pronoun referring to the Sun, night is a matter that conceals the Sun, How do you explain this in an helio model? In which model this makes more sense? In Surah 81-1 Allah says ''Itha ashshamsu KUWIRAT'' does that mean the Sun will become a sphere? so it's not a sphere now? we can play the same game but Allah means ''When the sun will be folded up'' or it light goes away,, but takwir here doesn't have to do anything with the shape. Today some modern scholars refer to some Ulama in the past like Ibn Taymiyyah, al Razi, Ibn hazm to prove that Earth is a globe, but they don’t want to mention that those same Ulama had different views of the universe than what we know today, Yes some had a different opinion about the shape of Earth but did they say that Earth is spinning in space? Did they say Sun is 1000x bigger than earth? Did they say the Sun is the center of the universe or the solar system? Did they say the Earth is orbiting around the Sun? No. Ibn Hazm in his book كتاب الفصل في الملل والأهواء والنحل he clearly described Earth at the bottom and Heavens above it, and even when he says round he also referred to the whole fulk round including the heavens meaning Earth could be round but that doesn't mean it has to be a ball. This is what he says in page 79 chapter 2 of his book قَالَ أَبُو مُحَمَّد وَلَا برهَان على مَا ذكر إِلَّا أَنه قَالَ إِن السَّمَوَات هِيَ فَوق الأَرْض فَلَو كَانَت السَّمَوَات مُحِيطَة بِالْأَرْضِ لَكَانَ بعض السَّمَوَات تَحت الأَرْض وَهَذَا لَيْسَ بِشَيْء لِأَن التحت والفوق من بَاب الْإِضَافَة لَا يُقَال فِي شَيْء تَحت إِلَّا وَهُوَ فَوق لشَيْء آخر حاشى مَرْكَز الأَرْض فَإِنَّهُ تَحت مُطلق لَا تَحت لَهُ الْبَتَّةَ وَكَذَلِكَ كل مَا قيل فِيهِ أَنه فَوق فَهُوَ أَيْضا تَحت لشَيْء آخر حاشى الصفحة الْعليا من الْفلك إِلَّا على الْمَقْسُوم بقسمة البروج فَهِيَ فَوق لَا فَوق لَهَا الْبَتَّةَ فالأرض على هَذَا الْبُرْهَان الشَّاهِد هِيَ مَكَان التحت فِي السَّمَوَات ضَرُورَة فَمن حَيْثُ كَانَت السَّمَاء فَهِيَ فَوق الأَرْض وَمن حَيْثُ قابلتها الأَرْض فَهِيَ تَحت السَّمَاء وَلَا بُد وَحَيْثُ مَا كَانَ ابْن آدم فرأسه إِلَى السَّمَاء وَرجلَاهُ إِلَى الأَرْض وَقد قَالَ الله عز وَجل {ألم تروا كَيفَ خلق الله سبع سماوات طباقاً وَجعل الْقَمَر فِيهِنَّ نورا وَجعل الشَّمْس سِرَاجًا} وَقَالَ تَعَالَى {جعل فِي السَّمَاء بروجاً وَجعل فِيهَا سِرَاجًا وقمراً منيراً} فَأخْبر الله تَعَالَى أَخْبَار لَا يردهُ إِلَّا كَافِر بِأَن الْقَمَر فِي السَّمَاء وَأَن الشَّمْس أَيْضا فِي السَّمَاء ثمَّ قد قَامَ الْبُرْهَان الضَّرُورِيّ الْمشَاهد بالعيان على دورانها حول الأَرْض من مشرق إِلَى مغرب ثمَّ من مغرب إِلَى مشرق فَلَو كَانَ على مَا يظنّ أهل الْجَهْل لكَانَتْ الشَّمْس وَالْقَمَر إِذْ دَارا بِالْأَرْضِ وصارا فِيمَا يُقَابل صفحة الأَرْض الَّتِي لسنا عَلَيْهَا قد خرجا عَن السَّمَاء وَهَذَا تَكْذِيب لله تَعَالَى فصح بِهَذَا أَنه لَا يجوز أَن يقارق الشَّمْس وَالْقَمَر السَّمَوَات وَلَا أَن يخرجَا عَنْهَا لِأَنَّهُمَا كَيفَ دَارا فهما فِي السَّمَوَات فصح ضَرُورَة أَن السَّمَوَات مُطَابقَة طباقاً على الأَرْض وَأَيْضًا فقد نَص تَعَالَى كَمَا ذكرنَا على أَن الشَّمْس وَالْقَمَر والنجوم فِي السَّمَوَات ثمَّ قَالَ تَعَالَى {وكلٌ فِي فلك يسبحون} Does this match with the helio model we know of today? this is ibn hazm himslef that glober Muslims quote? would you agree with him that Earth is the center of the universe ,heavens above it and the sun and the moon are small objects orbiting above it? The same thing with Ibn Taymiyah he clearly mentioned Earth as stationary at the bottom of the known creation and the heavens above it including sun, moon, and stars, swimming in the fulk that are round in his book Risllala Al Archia page 32 and Majmu'at Fatawa لكن جهة العلو والسفل للأفلاك لا تتغير، فالمحيط هو العلو والمركز هو السفل، مع أن وجه الأرض التي وضعها الله للأنام، وأرساها بالجبال، هو الذي عليه الناس والبهائم والشجر والنبات، والجبال والأنهار الجارية.‏ فأما الناحية الأخرى من الأرض فالبحر محيط بها، وليس هناك شيء من الآدميين وما يتبعهم، ولو قدر أن هناك أحداً لكان على ظهر الأرض ولم يكن من في هذه الجهة تحت من في هذه الجهة، ولا من في هذه تحت من في هذه، كما أن الأفلاك محيطة بالمركز، وليس أحد جانبي الفلك تحت ا الافلاك كروية و ليس لها الا جهتان، الجهات لغيره نسبية و الارض لا تدور mawdu3 of pages 565-567 لا يكون من في جهة من سطح الارض تحت من في الجهة الاخرى، إيضاح ذلك mawdu3 page 566-568 السماوات مستديرة، ادلة ذلك معنى و تكوير لليل على النهار، ما ترى من خلق الرحمان من تفاوت mawdu3 page 586-589 دوران الكواكب حول القطب في السماء و دوران الشمس على الارض mawdu3 page 589 القمر في الفلك الذى تراه، هو السموات 593 حركة الشمس و القمر بحركة الفلك 593 If we base our claims on what scholars said in the past, that will not prove anything. the reality we look at what Allah and his prophet say in Quran and the tafasirs, because then I can simply say that Ibn al baz, Ibn Kathir, Al qurtoby, Ibn otaim, Al fawzan, Abdlukader Baghdadi in his book Usul adin, Tafsir al jalalayn of Jamal edin al mahali, Imam algharnati and list goes on. All those scholars agreed and said Erath is basit Flat. So who do we follow? Just so that people know is that the first people who claimed Earth is a sphere in the Muslim Ummah were Ahlu alhayae and Al munajamin who took greek philosophy and their translations to explain the universe during the Abbasid. They were heavily criticized even to the kufr because of the contradiction of their claims with the Quran and sharria, even Ibn Taymiyyah criticized them. The point is we see what the Quran says and the clear Tafasir, not what ahl alhaya and philosophers say.

@smythandle 8 ай бұрын

Rewriting quran are we?... Quran getting an update!!! Next edition you guys need to rewrite how mountains held the spread out land like how the pins hold paper onto a board...

@hafizzR 3 жыл бұрын

From the Quran you can find indications that it is round or circular but not spherical ie verses taking about "we opened up or rolled out the earth" (sorry but my wording may not be accurate), or the verses saying how the night goes into day & day into night. This may indicate that the sun & moon are revolving around the earth But Just because circular motions are indicated that doesn't mean that the earth is like a ball. We don't have to try and fit the western narrative of a spherical earth. Allah even says in the Quran that he has spread out the Universe like a scroll in all directions meaning in a flat plain which seems accurate as the universe that they say they can observe is actually like this!! So I think the Quranic picture of the earth is more accurate because the whole ball shape spherical argument has been changed soo many times by these scientists, it's ridiculous. I don't think they REALLY know the shape of the earth or are hiding the real knowledge because the size they mention of the earth and its curvature cannot be right because it has been disproved by many scientists and tests!! Soo many things they teach or talk about AS FACT are infact ONLY THEORIES like for example Gravity! This is a theory not fact. They cannot prove it properly as fact in the real world, only on paper using maths. Now writing long equations on paper that look amazing doesn't mean or do anything in the real world, meaning it don't make it fact. Plus when they say the world earth is rotating they cannot prove this. Experiments were done decades ago to try prove this but failed. Meaning they couldn't show the earth moving. To this day with all the technological advances they still cannot show that the earth is actually revolving!! All I can say is that don't take these CHARLATANS words as fact. They have proven to be liars fitting their ideas, theories & narratives to suit their agendas. If the shape & size of the world is known its either being hidden or they just don't know. Use your eyes & common sense. I'm not a flat earther but all I know is that the guys who came up with the current model that we all believe in were very dubious characters plus soo much of the things they claim as fact cannot be proved by THEIR OWN METHODS!! KEEP AN OPEN MIND. ALLAH EXPLAINS THE WORLD PERFECTLY WHEN HE DESCRIBES IT IN THE QURAN. ANOTHER REASON WHY ITS A MIRACLE FROM HIM..

@mehmoodbinzulfiqar 3 жыл бұрын

Very best writing by you.... You write my view in a very best way of words 👏

@ykn7018 2 жыл бұрын

That the earth is round, that it rotates at its axis, that its axis is tilted at around 23degree, that it orbits the sun..is an established and proven facts. The changes of season, the accurate calculation of eclipses, the facts that we accurately plan the trips to the moon and Mars are all based on the above facts.

@abrarghazanfar7660 2 жыл бұрын

Air and sea ways maps, water level and north or south pool dose not support the concept of spherical shape and rotating earth. Earth is like a disc floating on water, it is circular shape but flat.

@Mah-Uk 2 жыл бұрын

Very good reply 👍

@TheIntelligent Жыл бұрын

Brilliant

@bcddd214 3 жыл бұрын

That flat Earth reference. He has to use gymnastics and jump to a completely different interpretation/chapter. Gymnastics is not acceptable. That Koran is a pick-a-path doctrine. You can pluck any reality you want from the thing. You are 100% responsible for the other interpretation until you prove yours is the correct one.

@JudaismIslamUnited 3 жыл бұрын

If you lived on a ball there would be TWO directions to kabbah

@citrongaming7633 3 жыл бұрын

SubhanAllah Multilayered Meaning/ Linguistic Scientific Miracle is a Powerful Arguement

@easybusy4395 4 жыл бұрын

1:23 Have you not seen the earth and how it's SOTIHAT? سطح surface, roof, face, flat, superficies, flatness السطح الانسيابي الحامل surface سطح surface, flatten, spread, prostrate, press طلع الى السطح surface جعل له سطحا surface

@TheRockyBalboa100 4 жыл бұрын

Exactly: flat

@MagnumJoe 4 жыл бұрын

Yes. It means the ground, not the "earth". Can you walk on the ground or do you have to be jumping hurdles all the time?

@shaziazaidi6317 4 жыл бұрын

@@MagnumJoe Lol.

@shaziazaidi6317 4 жыл бұрын

@@TheRockyBalboa100 Yeah and it mean the earth as in ground. like when someone says I was walking on earth. Does it mean he was jumping and walking from planet to planet. What sort of idiotic argument.

@ThinkingFreedom Жыл бұрын

@@somebody700the earth is flat

@madoamgad 4 жыл бұрын

Please stop twisting the scriptures to suit your world view which ironically aligns with the "non-believers'" cosmology. The Earth is obviously and observably flat and Allah confirms it in the Quran. "يكور" means "كَوَّرَ العِمَامَةَ عَلَى رَأْسِهِ"i.e., "لَفَّهَا، أَدَارَهَا" whereby Allah mentions the night and day as doing so and NOT the Earth. Also, "كل في فلك يسبحون" is clearly expressed regarding the night, day, sun and moon and NOT the Earth. Nowhere in the Quran is Earth ever mentioned as being in orbit or "قلك". Furthermore, Ayas like "فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ يَأْتِي بِالشَّمْسِ مِنَ الْمَشْرِقِ" (sura Al-baqara Aya 258) clearly contradicts the heliocentric model which alleges the Earth orbits the Sun. What evidences are you talking about? Scholars? Why are you ignoring explicit descriptions in the Quran? All words describing the Earth in the Quran are unequivocally detailing a flat and motionless level planar Earth and NOT a "planet". "فِرَٰشًا" "مهدا" "بساطا" "مِهَٰدًا" ""سُطِحَتْ "مددناها" "طَحَاهَا" "دَحَاهَا" all apply to a flat planar surface and not a ball. I challenge Mohammed Hijab and anyone for that matter to bring one aya in the Quran that defines Earth as either a globe or spinning or in orbit; implicit or explicit.

@madoamgad 4 жыл бұрын

I would like to point out your fallacy again regarding "تكوير" where you claimed is only possible on a spherical surface which is complete and utter nonsense as the verb "كور" has noting to do with the surface but describes the action of wrapping. Furthermore, it is clear in the mentioned verse that the verb "يكور" is used with the night and day with no mention of the Earth i.e., "wraps the night onto the day and wraps the day onto the night", which makes perfect sense on a flat Earth with the sun, moon, and stars spinning in circular motion above the Earth.

@madoamgad 4 жыл бұрын

@هرماس النمر sorry but you missed the point of it also being possible on a flat Earth 😉

@madoamgad 4 жыл бұрын

@هرماس النمر the dictionary reference you provided confirms what I’m saying, describing takweer as “circular” motion

@madoamgad 4 жыл бұрын

@هرماس النمر So how am I wrong again?

@madoamgad 4 жыл бұрын

Even if we use your obviously flawed logic and lack of understanding of the both the Quran and the Arabic language by wrongly stating that "ارض" ONLY means the ground/terrain (which it doesn't but I'll give it to you just for the sake of argument) so if the ground/terrain is described as flat, how can you come to the conclusion that it's entirety is a sphere? The universe is always mentioned by Allah in the Quran as "السَّمَوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ" the Earth and the Heavens and everything in between. Moreover, the word "كوكب" is used several times in the Quran for example " إِنَّا زَيَّنَّا السَّمَاءَ الدُّنْيَا بِزِينَةٍ الْكَوَاكِبِ " - الصافات/6 why isn't Earth mentioned as such? I suggest you do some research into the matter before you quickly handwave and dismiss the idea. May Allah guide you to the truth. @هرماس النمر

@criticalthinker2760 2 жыл бұрын

Truth is, earth is flat, but you can’t handle

@PR1NCEM1 Ай бұрын

100% people just can't see the truth the bible says it's a circle, circle is a 2D object not a sphere 360 ball

@fares_of_arabia 4 жыл бұрын

You also misquoted Ibn Taymiyah, He said the earth is round (circular) مستديرة, he did not say it is spherical, a circle and a sphere are not the same thing needless to say. And Ibn Taymiyah said that the earth does not spin, and the sun is the one that circles the earth. No point in trying to patch-up the authentic meaning of the verses of the Quraan to suit today's so-called sciences (pseudo-sciences), and modern-day magic shows of moon landings.

@zackhalilovic4753 4 жыл бұрын

Are you Sam Gerrans?

@Easyeastallstar111 4 жыл бұрын

Beautiful! You see it bro. its all lies. And Muslims try to fit Quran into science. When it should be the other way.

@theintuitivetruth 4 жыл бұрын

No good reason to consider why he would use round opposed to flat?

@condorianonegdiffsgoku 4 жыл бұрын

Geocentrism is a completely different topic. We often use the word round for earth even though we don't mean it is literally round. Your arguments expose your stupid thinking.

@fares_of_arabia 4 жыл бұрын

@@condorianonegdiffsgoku who is we..... Speak for yourself... Self entitled fool....

@IslamTheTruth2314 7 ай бұрын

"I can't believe how this made top 10" Brother it's because there are no mistakes in Islam, these idiots just try to make things up .

@mouademalki680 7 ай бұрын

Bro Quran Indicates the earth is Flat

@IslamTheTruth2314 7 ай бұрын

@@mouademalki680 you didn't watch the video, did you?

@rebeuoriginel 7 ай бұрын

@@mouademalki680 it indicates the earth is flat to out point of view not Allah’s point of view, you’re not smart lil bro

@BellBiv 7 ай бұрын

All 'allah' had to do was say the earth is round, really simple, a 9 year old can describe the earth's shape simply today better than 'allah' in the Quran, it's embarrassing and laughable.

@tanjinaafrin2937 4 жыл бұрын

Alhamdulillah for Islam.

@528hrtz Жыл бұрын

@BlackParade-se7we 10 ай бұрын

sahih.. majority people mistakes the word dhahahaa as ostrich egg which that is wrongly interpreted!!

@MrSuperman957 4 жыл бұрын

Ard can also mean land. Is anyone going to say that the land is NOT spread out? LOL

@MrSuperman957 4 жыл бұрын

@AL mighty You can literally SPREAD a cloth over a non flat surface. Not to mention, the land you're standing on is not curved in any noticeable sense. By that logic, nothing is truly flat. Just go outside and look at the horizon. That's the point. Look at all the space we have. The opposite of spread out would be compact

@pyrusdraganoid7083 Жыл бұрын

@@MrSuperman957 how do you know he means land here ?

@BlueBird-wv7yr 2 жыл бұрын

"And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating." notice how Allah subhanahu wa taala separates between terms "earth" and "night and day" indicating that they are not the same thing, as the sun does not rotate around earth and each planet has its own night and day.

@eeja1743 4 ай бұрын

Im a muslim from malaysia, i strongly believe the earth is Flat from what i see from Quran.

@batuhankarakoc1570 4 ай бұрын

So if world isnt flat, Will you leave islam? Can you tell me how Day times changing? I live in turkey and its morning, İn Newyork its night. İf world flat its impossible. Because sun cant only Light one side of world. If Im wrong can you say why?

@eeja1743 4 ай бұрын

@@batuhankarakoc1570 its not impossible if you understand the earth is so big while the sun is not, and also the sun isnt 150 million KM away from earth

@DaGoatObito 4 ай бұрын

@@batuhankarakoc1570 He wouldn't leave Islam. Because Islam is a product of brainwashing. He is 100% convinced that Quran is 100% true, therefor everything condardecting is false.

@shehabgamal8640 4 ай бұрын

@@eeja1743how would that explain the north star, in a flat Earth model, wouldn't we see the North Star from every point on Earth, wouldn't we see the tallest man made structures from any point if you used a telescope in their direction, how about a simple experiment that was done 2000 years ago, pick 2 different longitude and latitude points where the Sun can be seen, use a stick and measure the length of the shadows cast by the sun of the two, the lengths would be different, how would that work mathematically on a flat earth model

@truthinknowledge8312 4 жыл бұрын

Masha Allah. Great explanation. Just a suggestion for the future clips, it would be amazing if you guys would do these in a nice infographic animation style with a voice over. Thank you.

@MIKEDIAMONDZ 3 жыл бұрын

The narative has holes .. how do you know ?

@JabaLZaytoon 3 жыл бұрын

When you get a rolling pin and roll it over a ball of dough, the dough spreads out into a flat circular shape, so the earth could have been a ball shaped in the making, then Allāh spread it out, and this hypothesis coincides with the hadith that mentions that Allāh will roll up the heavens and the earth with His two fingers.

@RescueTheGreens Жыл бұрын

I am hindu and I am reading quran I found in chapter 71 verse 19 in hindi that " Dharti" is flat so I confused the it is taking about Earth or land

@RahulSharma-ru1yo Жыл бұрын

Bhai yeh jihadi h logo ko gumrah krte h

@GamerUK Жыл бұрын

Ahhh I was wondering why they allow his channel to grow. This explains it 😉

@b.meDDem Жыл бұрын

Same here It's hard to see our brothers and sisters being manipulated..

@ChillingCoca Жыл бұрын

Thank you my friend

@gurudevan6241 3 жыл бұрын

I asked this question of Flat Earth and the splitting of moon to several Muslim scholars. it seems they are all confused. they don't have a concrete answer. Some Muslims says definitely Flat and so on. But one thing I found in Quran no where it says that earth is in round shape.

@saadmahmood65 4 жыл бұрын

MashaAllah great video, some extra visuals would be nice, maybe also clarify that the dates mentioned (3rd century etc) are Hijri dates. Wa'alaikumasalaam.

@SkeeloHendrix 7 ай бұрын

This Man Is a Living Legend Masha’Allah!! 🫡🫡

@BlueBird-wv7yr 2 жыл бұрын

Sheikh Ibn Uthaymeen, may Allah have mercy on him, said: “The earth is spherical according to the meaning of the Qur’an, reality, and the words of the people of knowledge. As for the meaning of the Qur’an, Allah Almighty says: (He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night). Night and day alternate on the earth, and this necessitates that the earth be round, because if you round something over something, the earth on which this thing is revolved must be spherical.

@Diplofer1 10 ай бұрын

lmao you’re brainwashed

@malekalosod 2 жыл бұрын

First thanks so much for explaining the topic to us. However, I have one point about this topic, Allah never says earth is a planet, can you please explain this to us. If the earth is round, what is the purpose of hiding the true shape of the earth? Awaiting an answer.

@lmehdie2949 2 жыл бұрын

No Globe = No Rotation = No Orbit = No Gravity = Not Heliocentric =Geocentric = No Big Bang Theory = No Darwinism or Evolution =No Missing Link =Not Random =We are unique =Center of everything = Intelligent Design = Awakening of Mankind= End of NWO REASON ENOUGH ???

@malekalosod 2 жыл бұрын

@@lmehdie2949 you forgot to add no dinosaurs as well, and we are living in this life with Jin, and nothing called alliance.

@saadali3385 3 жыл бұрын

quran describes a flat earth because thats how Allah made it

@ibnineteen387 4 жыл бұрын

So it is acceptable to interpret the verses as flat or round. Thank you a muslim flat earther

@shaziazaidi6317 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah. There is a scope of interpretation. If you want to believe earth is flat it is completely your choice. We follow the golden generations the early commentators who on the basis of quran said the Earth is round. Nevertheless on the Day of Judgement none of these will matter except your deeds.

@condorianonegdiffsgoku 4 жыл бұрын

the verses doesn't talk about earth's shape. believing in it has nothing to do with religion but with what you think.

@halalpolice23 4 жыл бұрын

Maasha Allah very helpful Allahumabarik

@5mintalk 2 жыл бұрын

Earth is flat and motionless. I'm a physicist. If anybody have questions regarding flat earth I'm here to answer with logic and science. Surah Nahal: 15 Surah Kahaf: 47 Surah Anbiya: 31 Surah Namal: 61 Surah Fatir: 41 Surah Zumar: 5 Surah Sajdah: 10 Surah Muzammil: 14 Surah ghashiya: 20 Surah Shams: 6.

@shaktard8570 2 жыл бұрын

There’s literal footage that it’s a sphere how can it be flat

@Lars-tj7sx 2 жыл бұрын

@@shaktard8570 I’m a Muslim and agree

@snoork 2 жыл бұрын

lol you are not a physicist, you barely even speak with any sort of professionalism

@ThinkingFreedom Жыл бұрын

@@shaktard8570no real footage all computer generated image look up witsit gets it on youtube

@VedhantRawat 9 ай бұрын

Till 10ty century when world believed that earth was flat so does the quran said that it was , but now when it's round quran says it's round 😔😔 so sad you have to read it

@flashsharma4309 Жыл бұрын

What about multiverse i am curious is it mentioned somewhere in your books 😒

@byARSH_ Жыл бұрын

Yes it is.

@flashsharma4309 Жыл бұрын

@@byARSH_ can you explain where in which it is mentioned i will check it personally that how deep the knowledge goes about it answer fast please

@One-shh Жыл бұрын

@@byARSH_we believe ok but what about non changeable Qur’an Surah Nuh: “And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out).” [Al-Qur’an 71:19] can you change it 😂 first give me answer of this verse then we can talk about Multiverse 😂

@gsrcreations108 Жыл бұрын

Dahaha👈 meaning is spreaded as bed not the egg of ostriche. 👏😷ostriche egg was added in dictionary after 1200 years. 🤣🤣

@seargantmagor 10 ай бұрын

There are 12 verses in the Quran that declare the Earth is flat, and another 11 indirect verses. Saying the Earth is anything but flat is heresy, and Allah will condemn those who manipulate his words. Save your soul and ask for forgiveness.

@JohnHenry-pg4gy 9 ай бұрын

Give me the verses please

@natebrook 7 ай бұрын

RIght! These people and their mental gymnastic are ridiculous!

@seargantmagor 7 ай бұрын

@JohnHenry-pg4gy 71:19 & 2:22 are good examples. This is where Mohammed claims that Allah made the Earth like a "carpet". I believe it was 18:86 that claimed that the sun set in water, but i am too lazy to check right now

@fares_of_arabia 4 жыл бұрын

It also looks like you did not mention all that was said by Ibn Taymiyah ( that you quoted several times).... He said THE EARTH DOES NOT SPIN...... You did not mention the scholars that refuted the Commission Group أهل الهيئة that claimed the earth was a sphere, and just selected quotes that served your purpose.

@condorianonegdiffsgoku 4 жыл бұрын

Geocentrism has nothing to do with it. The view of science towards flat earthism and earth being motionless relative to an objectively motionless point is completely different.

@fares_of_arabia 4 жыл бұрын

@@condorianonegdiffsgoku bla Bla Bla.... Try making some more sense next time......all you said was a bunch bullshitism....

@condorianonegdiffsgoku 4 жыл бұрын

@@fares_of_arabia obviously it won't make sense to you because your brain is full of waste

@fares_of_arabia 4 жыл бұрын

@@condorianonegdiffsgoku wow great come back... I am floored...

@salmanhannan9052 3 жыл бұрын

Because the only way you can reconcile stuff in the quran is by lying and saying half truths. Hiajb knows he needs to lie to cover up the nonsense in the quran so I wonder why he's still even a Muslim,

@5mintalk 2 жыл бұрын

There is not a single ayah in Qur'an which says that earth is round. Where as there are many verses in Qur'an which says that earth is flat, smooth, and motionless so that people could move easily.

@TheOldschool3r 2 жыл бұрын

It does not indicate it's round and also doesn't indicate it is flat. Weak argument.

@samkb6374 Жыл бұрын

Not a single verse mentions that the earth is flat. You really need to come with something better.

@bouterelfo9439 4 жыл бұрын

@samkad3652 3 жыл бұрын

Assalaam aleikum, is this video avalaible in arabic? My arab-speaking-only brother in law is convinced the quran says the earth is flat

@user-jg3qh2cq7e 3 жыл бұрын

hijab speaks arabic fluently. Arabic shiekhs are better than hijab i wish i could speak arabic :(

@AlwaysElevating 3 жыл бұрын

He's right

@merromerro1618 4 жыл бұрын

silliest argument ever when we are the only nation that has A PROOF that the majority of "religious" scholars "not scientific ones" to approve to the roundness of Earth with records that date back to 1000 years ago when people were mainly flat earthers

@rafayashary6346 3 жыл бұрын

Belief in a flat Earth had already become outmoded among educated Greeks by the 3rd Century B.C.E. (when Eratosthenes measured the circumference of the Earth to a great degree of precision), long before the astronomers of the Islamic Golden Age built upon the formers’ discoveries.

@jna21 3 жыл бұрын

Assalamualaikum,it would be better if you had mentioned the references in the description box

@jamil1985 4 жыл бұрын

Hmm..i was checking the ayat, "He Wraps the night over the day, and Wraps the day over the night" ...Dont you think day (light) and night (Dark, absence of light) can be Wrapped over any shape? Also i think people forget the part Allah talks about the Firmament and its wonderful Super Strong Structure. So this Firmament over us can be like a Dome maybe? The earth underneath the Firmament is Flat? I don't think this ayat proves the heliocentric model. Plus the polar star is always fixed in its position and the rest of the stars spin around it. I think people should carry out experiments, go out, see what Nasa presents because they have the latest technology compared to people in history who did NOT have advanced instruments we have today e.g. laser. I ln my opinion Nasa is a Big Liar, i mean they didn't go Back to the Moon since 1960s. Maybe they can't break through the Firmament? And NO, it does not say the earth is Egg shaped in the Quran.

@respectfulcritique3684 4 жыл бұрын

What 😑... The Quran says that the earth is like the egg of the ostrich. It's not my problem if you are a big blind non-Arab human. And the verses that says wrap night over day, we'll it doesn't say "wrap", it says يكور which means that it is wrapped on a ball.

@respectfulcritique3684 4 жыл бұрын

@Afrax Cosoble are you a flat earther?? Bro eske up I beg you. If you read the verse in surah AL ghashiya it says "And the GROUND we have made it flat". MO hijabi already explained this but I'm gonna explain it again for you. That verse means that the ground when you stand on it its flat. The ground of the earth is flat unlike the ground of the moon which is bumpy and bubbly

@jamil1985 3 жыл бұрын

@@respectfulcritique3684 yes "Yukawir" i know what it means, hence why i mentioned the 'Firmament'. Please show me where it says the words 'Ostrich Egg'. Im still learning, i may be wrong, im not arab. But i did look it up, maybe i missed it. :P

@uzairhussain8885 3 жыл бұрын

@@jamil1985 dahaaha means spread out like an ostrich egg

@howtodoit4204 3 жыл бұрын

And bed means a place of comfort not literally a bed

@sajjadmehmood2943 4 жыл бұрын

8 major benefits of Astaghfar in the Quran. 1. It opens the doors of mercy. The Quran says, “Ask forgiveness of your Lord. Indeed, He is ever a Perpetual Forgiver.”[Quran 71:10] 2. It will give you wealth and children. The Quran says, “And give you increase in wealth and children.” [Quran, 71:12] 3. A Believer’s Dua gets accepted. There’s nothing better for a believer that all the duas that he or she makes in hopes that they will one day get accepted by their lord, actually get fulfilled. Astagfirullah has the power to make a Muslim’s duas get accepted. 4. Astagfar provides sustenance. The Quran says, “Seek forgiveness of your Lord and repent to Him, [and] He will let you enjoy a good provision for a specified term and give every doer of favour his favour” [Quran, 11:3] 5. A Muslim is not punished while they seek forgiveness. The Quran says, “And Allah would not punish them while they seek forgiveness ” [Quran, 8:33] 6. Allah will send the rain of mercy. The Quran says, “He will send [rain from] the sky upon you in [continuing] showers.” [Quran, 71:11] 7. Adding strength in our lives. The Quran says, “. . . ask forgiveness of your Lord and then repent to Him. He will send [rain from] the sky upon you in showers and increase you in strength [added] to your strength.” [Quran 11:52] 8. Allah will provide you with gardens and rivers. The Quran says, “. . . and provide for you gardens and provide for you rivers.” [Quran, 71:12]

@Min.propaganda 8 ай бұрын

Surah taha[Quran 20:53] of quran says earth is flat ... After that there are endless examples where it has said that the earth is spread out and laid out like a carpet

@Kpeecamera5630 5 ай бұрын

common bro no muslim say earth is flat Quran Clearly Says Its like Egg everyone knows egg is not flat , secondly in arabic ''ARDH'' means both (land and Earth ) in English So Saying ARDH (Land ) Is Spread Out Like A Carpet Is Perfect Because Grass Also Looks Similar To Carpet Allah Knows Best May Allah Guide You

@Min.propaganda 5 ай бұрын

@@Kpeecamera5630 It is talking about earth not the land..... And it's no where that egg word is used for earth , all of it is falsified. Go check authentic sources yourself

@Kpeecamera5630 5 ай бұрын

@@Min.propaganda GO Check Dictionary WHich Is Absolute Truth DAHAHA means Both Spread/ Egg Shaped Earth Shape Is Like Egg In Arabic We Call Earth ''ARDH'' And We Also Call Land '' ARDH '' Same in Urdu We Call Earth ''Zameen'' And Also Land ''Zameen'' You Have To Understand Which Allah Is Talking About

@Min.propaganda 5 ай бұрын

@@Kpeecamera5630 It does not , ostrich egg is mentioned in the Quran , Hadith and a different word was used for it. And lastly "zameen" is just for land not earth🤡

@Kpeecamera5630 5 ай бұрын

@@Min.propaganda Hadith And Quran Is Not Dictionary And Earth Means Zameen In Urdu Go Check Google Traslation Or Dictionary You Should Be Careful By Your Manipulation Of Using Clown Emoji And Using Words Like Authentic You Are Trying To Sound Smart I Think You Are Begginer If Thats So Dont Reply Again Untill You Have Evidence, But Even If You Do Out Of Your Arrogance And Foolishness I Would Humbly Reply You

@legendstysonff5513 7 ай бұрын

Without lies islam dies 😂

@Kpeecamera5630 5 ай бұрын

common bro no muslim say earth is flat Quran Clearly Says Its like Egg everyone knows egg is not flat , secondly in arabic ''ARDH'' means both (land and Earth ) in English So Calling Saying ARDH (Land ) Is Spread Out Like A Carpet Is Perfect Because Grass Also Looks Similar To Carpet Allah Knows Best May Allah Guide You

@mariozakhem5988 5 ай бұрын

@@Kpeecamera5630 if Allah knows best then why cant he just say the earth is round and egg shaped, why does he have to make it hard to understand and complicated, even quruan said that the book is easy to understand

@usibistro 11 ай бұрын

I find it very difficult to convince someome that the earth is round or egg-shaped. They always have something to say. They just leave me speechless. It's probably because of my lack of knowledge, but I find it very interesting to discuss about some things that other people don't consider quite true. After all, "doubt is the key for the truth"

@irul3zz 10 ай бұрын

Allah clearly mentions its flat. These so called modern scholars translated Quran as per their brainwashed SciFi.. Because the education system flawed by the Iblees. They say that they beliv in Allah but infact they believe Science over the Quran, Remember Iblees is the Deceiver...

@DrWoofOfficial 9 ай бұрын

@@irul3zzbelief in the roundness of earth by muslims and islamic scholars is nothing new

@mohammadwasim9639 4 жыл бұрын

As expected brother hijab is here.

@FarmanKhan-fe9qe 6 ай бұрын

The Arabic word اَرۡضِ doesn't mean planet but the surface layer of the planet. In the Qur'an, Allah says "The Romans have been defeated in the nearest land." [30:2-3] This verse uses the same word اَرۡضِ Now make it make sense if it means planet...

@LnL24into7 3 ай бұрын

☪️ancer for Humanity.

@Majaxyt1 3 ай бұрын

..?

@Majaxyt1 3 ай бұрын

1. Have some respect. 2. Not eveb our symbol.

@George-iv1hi 13 күн бұрын

@@Majaxyt1 We don't respect the disrespectful.

@Majaxyt1 13 күн бұрын

@@George-iv1hi How was I disrespectful? And even if someone is disrespectful you still have to respect them, hate is never gonna solve anything

@George-iv1hi 13 күн бұрын

@@Majaxyt1 Read again my comment, what makes you think it was about you? You are no-one for me. I don't care what you respect or not - if you try to harm people you will have to pay dearly for that.

@shahariarabid540 3 жыл бұрын

Brother i have a problem to understand a verse.my name is abid and i am from bangladesh..i have a question..in sura 46:15 a child when he is in the womb of her mother and his nursing or breastfeeding total time 30 month..quran refers the breastfeeding time is 2 year/24 month then the pragnent time is 6 month..6 month pragnance is it possible?

@thepostman9991 8 ай бұрын

It doesn’t say 6 months, it just says 30 months untill the child is done breastfeeding and can stand up . Waht verse says 6 months?

@alfianfahmi5430 2 жыл бұрын

Earth is a spherical object so big compared to humans that we humans can percieve it as a spacious flat surface.

@Dharmicaction 2 жыл бұрын

Then it also means Quran, Bible and Torah - the 3 holy books of 3 ugly sisters (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) came out of human ego or limited perception. 😀😀 ERWIN SCHRODINGER (ONE OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS OF QUANTUM MECHANICS) Schrodinger's biographer Moore, wrote -- “His system - or that of the Hindu Upanishads/Vedas - is delightful and consistent: the self and the world are one and they are all. He rejected traditional western religious beliefs (Jewish, Christian, and Islamic) not on the basis of any reasoned argument, nor even with an expression of emotional antipathy, for he loved to use religious expressions and metaphors, but simply by saying that they are naïve--and will NOT understand Quantum theory and consciousness.

@ANNIHILATOR135 Жыл бұрын

@@Dharmicactionlike taking atheists who are by the way dead cockroaches , both are atomic arrangements basically , to justify sheer DISGUSTING PAGAN NUDE GODS WHO Couldn't even PROTECT THEIR SHARMGAAH ,PRIVATES. NOT TO MENTION , MURTIKHORS WILL ALWAYS BE EITHER NAIVE OR ARROGANT. Instead of this crap, you should assert directly that Schrodinger WAS A PAGAN

@kongzeeniolha1863 4 жыл бұрын

فراشا تعني أن الأرض ممتدة بلا نهاية [الكرة و الشكل البيضاوي هما الشكلان الوحيدان الممتدان إلى مالا نهاية] Frasha means that the earth is extended without end [a sphere and an oval are the only two shapes that extend without end] sophan Allah(سبحان الله)

@fares_of_arabia 3 жыл бұрын

the most idiotic argument, because your logic can also apply to a square, a triangle, a rectangle, or any shape. If you start at point A and go around the sphere, you will come back to Point A ...how is that extended without end.......you are talking out of your ass like many others...parroting the bullshit they fed us in school...

@kongzeeniolha1863 3 жыл бұрын

@@fares_of_arabia no you are wrong sir . Square tringle and the other shapes are flat . If you walk in straight line from any point on the shapes you had mentioned you will never back to same point . Cube sphere oval cuboid and tringular prism are not flat . All of them are anthropomorphic . So if walk again with the same way on them you will back to the start point .

@kongzeeniolha1863 3 жыл бұрын

@@fares_of_arabia But the holy Quran have this verse*خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ بِالْحَقِّ ۖ يُكَوِّرُ اللَّيْلَ عَلَى النَّهَارِ وَيُكَوِّرُ النَّهَارَ عَلَى اللَّيْلِ ۖ وَسَخَّرَ الشَّمْسَ وَالْقَمَرَ ۖ كُلٌّ يَجْرِي لِأَجَلٍ مُسَمًّى ۗ أَلَا هُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْغَفَّارُ ﴿٥﴾* in this verse you will read *this * يُكَوِّرُ اللَّيْلَ عَلَى النَّهَارِ وَيُكَوِّرُ النَّهَارَ عَلَى اللَّيْلِ* Wich mean (he rolls the night over the day and rolls the day over the night )

@fares_of_arabia 3 жыл бұрын

@@kongzeeniolha1863 where in that verse did you read... The earth is a sphere..... Let me guess.... You didn't... Because it is not there... You had to add an explanation... That this happens only on a sphere..... Says who.... Where is the proof..... Its an old and tired explanation that only the ignorant still cling onto.... Totally bankrupt....

@kongzeeniolha1863 3 жыл бұрын

@@fares_of_arabia do speak arabic ?

@craigmatchett6953 3 жыл бұрын

So your argument is that some people totally biased people (i.e. they would have had their heads cut off if they cross the red line and say Mohammed was wrong) 400 years later state that flat can mean Spherical? What? Really poor evidence.

@sulmedici 3 жыл бұрын

get a life

@isaiah68craig36 3 жыл бұрын

@@sulmedici I have thank you. Jesus said "I am, the way. I am, the truth. I am, the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". In Jesus there is life, and peace with God. I hope that you ask YHWH to reveal himself to you.

@ThinkingFreedom Жыл бұрын

@@isaiah68craig36 stop preaching something you don’t believe in. Let us agree to invoke the eternal curse of the mightiest on you if Islam is true and on me if Islam is false. If you don’t say amen to this but reply you are a coward. Only a coward tries to convince someone of something they themselves don’t believe in

@----f 3 жыл бұрын

MashaAllah great video, some extra visuals would be nice, maybe also clarify that the dates mentioned (3rd century etc) are Hijri dates.

@bouterelfo9439 4 жыл бұрын

@Understand•Islam •Series Allah promised us also this : Ar-Rahman 55: 33. O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority [from Allah]. 34. So which of the favors of your Lord would you deny? 35. There will be sent upon you a flame of fire and smoke, and you will not defend yourselves. There's no space like nasa lies about, the earth is flat surrounded by Antarctica and we still don't know what's beyond (some say it's a 500 years travel distance) Allah compares the earth with the skies even in the size. Where Allah said the sun is bigger than the earth? Where it sais we're in a tiny floating ball in an infinit thing called space and where does it sais the earth moves? You wont find none of this nonsense Satanic science in Qur’an!

@Easyeastallstar111 4 жыл бұрын

True. Also there is a sea above the firmament. I think it was let loose during the flood. Wallahi so many people have been deceived. Also, I believe mountain a named Qaf lies beyond the Ice. This mountain encircles the Earth.

@kokemyt 4 жыл бұрын

@@Easyeastallstar111 where did u find tht info?

@SakibKhan-qq8dz 3 жыл бұрын

Can't u see it is saying heavens?😁it doesn't say heaven,its plural

@liyanareano4571 2 жыл бұрын

@@SakibKhan-qq8dz because the sky has layers, just like water

@sayno-toevil4753 4 жыл бұрын

The Quran never talked about the shape of the earth at all. So Please STOP comparing the Quran to science! science can change anytime. the Quran does not have to agree with science always. the Quran is from the Creator of universe and science is only man made. Everything in the Quran is 100% the TRUTH AND NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. EVEN if the Quran says the earth is triangle we should still believe in that.

@tscfilms2160 4 жыл бұрын

Which Qur'an would that be?

@sayno-toevil4753 4 жыл бұрын

@@tscfilms2160 the one that says worshipping jesus is one way ticket to internal Hellfire.

@sayno-toevil4753 4 жыл бұрын

@@tscfilms2160 the one that says worship the Creator NOT the creation.

@CrescentFeed 4 жыл бұрын

Can you quote where Imaam Ahmad RH considers the earth to be round?

@abduladil7332 4 жыл бұрын

Ma sha Allah!

@stargazer4526 Жыл бұрын

This isn't the only reason we believe the Quran is saying the earth is flat.

@haraka8123 4 жыл бұрын

The earth is round as a whole, flat in parts. That has always been the mainstream scholarly Muslim opinion. The flat earth society only crept its way to the Islamic world from the western world. They even call themselves the same thing. Mujtama Al Ardh Al Musataha literally the flat earth society.

@donutman6239 4 жыл бұрын

As they say: “We have members from all around the globe”😂😂😂

@kanizfatima3447 3 жыл бұрын

atleast quran doesnt say earth is on a turtle or on 4 elephants !....................The names of four elephants supporting the earth from the four directions are given in the Ramayana : Viroopaaksha (east), Mahaapadma (south), Saumanasa (west), Bhadra (north).

@kanizfatima3447 2 жыл бұрын

@THE TRUTH what do u mean ? No proof in the Quran or Sahih Hadith the earth is on a fish

@abidaouladali7019 4 жыл бұрын

The earth is flat brothers. We are the center and everything revolves around us

@abidaouladali7019 4 жыл бұрын

@Pierre Le paul l know lknow, It's a hard one to swollow 😁

@abidaouladali7019 4 жыл бұрын

@Pierre Le paul But it is flat bro

@abidaouladali7019 4 жыл бұрын

@Pierre Le paul l truly believe that the earth is not a spinning ball

@Easyeastallstar111 4 жыл бұрын

True. The heavens are literally above us.

@abidaouladali7019 4 жыл бұрын

@Pierre Le paul I feel for you my brother. And yes, l believe in the cracked moon.

@abhi739 7 ай бұрын

my pakistani muslim wife once started this debate, sorry pakistani translating arabic isnt much proof, but the word dahaha sunnis refer to as ostrich egg actually means spread out, running from truth only makes more ignorants

@leto1449 4 жыл бұрын

the observations prove it's motionless

@Easyeastallstar111 4 жыл бұрын

I think we’re almost at a new paradigm shift. I think the Earth is flat. Truth always prevails.

@leto1449 4 жыл бұрын

@@Easyeastallstar111 i think it's better to say motionless and stationary earth when saying it's flat feels like joking

@Easyeastallstar111 4 жыл бұрын

@@leto1449 true. The terminology automatically makes people dismiss the claim. Interestingly enough though, I’d love for a wealthy person to challenge any person who believes in the globe model to give out a large sum of money if they could fly from the most southern part of South America to Australia in a one stop flight. No layovers in North America.

@leto1449 4 жыл бұрын

@@Easyeastallstar111 if only was that easy eyes are everywhere even now they are seeing this message if someone tries to do it he got ridiculed and mocked interesting to see muslim believe in the motionless model

@attatawil 4 жыл бұрын

The “motionless earth” is simply a matter of perception. Imagine if you will the entire cosmos and everything in it rushing past the earth in their orbits and paths and the earth itself is the only motionless object. This can be true if your point of view is from the earth looking out. Now imagine again you are sitting outside of the earth and you are far enough away to witness the earth and all of the heavenly bodies rushing around in their orbits, but now YOU are the motionless object and everything is moving past YOU it can be both motionless and in motion depending on the observers point of view. Much like how a car is traveling down a road and you perceive the landscape and all of the other objects and vehicles moving past your car but you feel that you are motionless and the entire world around you is moving, but if you were sitting outside you would see the car moving and you yourself are not moving The observer is the center and all things move relative to your position

@bobbiebrownn Жыл бұрын

I understand both points of the argument but if I may make a argument for the earth being flat using the verses you just used. The night rolling into the day and the day rolling into the night works on the flat earth model if the earth is spherical like a plate and the moon and sun are much smaller and closer to the ground than the heliocentric model. Check 100 proofs the earth is flat on KZbin for clearer details. Your a excellent debater I would like to see you dismantle the 100 proofs (if you can)