Sarah Everard: How can trust in the police be repaired? - BBC Newsnight

Trust in the Metropolitan Police has been "shaken" by the murder of Sarah Everard by a serving officer, the force's commissioner has admitted. How can it be repaired? Please subscribe HERE bit.ly/1rbfUog
Dame Cressida Dick said she recognised "a precious bond of trust has been damaged" and she would ensure "any lessons" were learned from the case.
She was delivering a statement after facing calls to resign.
The Met faces questions over whether chances were missed to prevent Wayne Couzens from murdering Ms Everard.
Newsnight’s Sima Kotecha reports.
Kirsty Wark is joined by Her Majesty’s Chief Inspector of Constabulary, Sir Tom Winsor, Shadow minister for safeguarding, Jess Phillips, and criminologist and Met Police adviser, Betsy Stanko.
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[@paigechloebowden4276]

He was literally labelled and called 'the rapist' by his colleagues...how does that itself not ring alarm bells

[@aineomaille4332]

Probably because people throw around that sort of edgy joke all the time. Then when you look back on one that turned out to be more than just a joke, the whole confirmation bias issue comes into play. It ends up evoking a little of ‘the boy who cried wolf’, as the overwhelming majority of the ‘wolves’ aren't wolves at all.

[@jamesy3722]

Because since the days of orphanages in 1820, the police and social services have been heavily involved in corruption dealing with the trafficking of unregistered children for slavery within the u.k. This is of thd highest degree not bottom feeders, this is elite level military guarded and multi billion pound privatised industry regulated and covered up on an international scale unfathomable to public comprehension, including air control, sea control and borders and systematic government institutions of the highest level. The true nature of this reality is still hidden underground and behind reinforced steel doors.

[@paigechloebowden4276]

@@aineomaille4332 he was given that nickname because he made women feel uncomfortable in his presence, doesn't mean they have to call him a "rapist", they could've called him something completely different

[@paigechloebowden4276]

@@jamesy3722 exactly soo, but they still expect us to trust in them when they have so much corruption hidden away and things we may of never of heard about and never will

[@jonathanwalker8730]

What's really revolting and disturbing about this is that 'The Rapist' was his nickname, as if that were a light-hearted thing. What does that tell you about his colleagues, who thought nicknaming a colleague 'The Rapist' was amusing? The Guardian reports that 15 serving or former police officers have killed women since 2009. Stomach-churningly disgusting; I feel so terribly sorry for Sarah and her family. I hope Wayne Couzens life in prison is absolute hell. But it hugely disturbs me that his colleagues, who apparently found it amusing to have a work mate known as 'The Rapist', are presumably still serving police officers.

[@seaweedseaside5905]

No one convicted of indecent exposure should be in the police.

[@henriettalondon6141]

yes, I don't know why they are talking about watching porn when that police officer was reported to the police many times for sexual offences. (starting 2015!) the last time the worker of McDonalds reported him being naked while ordering a meal. So it is not about failure to report him by the colleagues who kept a secret. THe man was already in the system for sexual offences!

[@alexpotts6520]

IMO nobody convicted of *any* crime should be in the police.

[@FaxanaduJohn]

@@alexpotts6520 what about smoking hash?

[@Letizia2810]

@@henriettalondon6141 my god. Unbelievable. Ordering a meal naked… Or he was under influences or he is just sick and I’m sure he’s not normal definitely

[@betsieboo1154]

@iueiw9009890 as a 23 year old he was in a relationship with a 14yo child

[@amandaj.barnes5919]

How can a man flashing not be reprimanded by senior police.

[@maxbritain1380]

I hope he flashes his new friends in Prison. He will be someones girl friend tonight.

[@wesker1079]

Well when you put in facetime down at the lodge and do your silly little secret handshakes you'd be surprised by what you can get away with.

[@wesker1079]

@@maxbritain1380 yes because it's 1987 in the state pen right? You know nothing.

[@questioneverything8301]

Flashing is Cressida D**k

[@IAMMARTICUS1470]

Because the police have a culture of protecting one another at all costs. I genuinely believe that the IPCC is the most corrupt organisation in the country, and that is saying something. While this culture permeates the police, we can never trust them. Dick's failure to resign just proves that the culture of non-accountability is going nowhere.

[@argh6666]

Couzens was called rapist by colleagues and was cought flashing at least 3 times. But they did nothing. That's the problem.

[@markjoachen]

No way he has no previous history he needs far more interrogating

[@henriettalondon6141]

that police officer was reported to the police many times for sexual offences. (starting 2015!) the last time the worker of McDonalds reported him being naked while ordering a meal. So it is not about failure to report him by the colleagues who kept a secret. THe man was already in the system for sexual offences!

[@nathancox6249]

Take all police complaints out the hands of the police.

[@halfbakedproductions7887]

We already have the IOPC.

[@justicar5]

@@halfbakedproductions7887 who are police. Police complaints need to be handled by a completely independent body, so no one who has had any positive dealings with the police allowed to be involved at all.

[@Liverpoolboy01]

@@halfbakedproductions7887 👈oh aren’t the y wonderful. The Police can ignore them!

[@unmarkedx6982]

Sure . Cat ladies can do the policing

[@simonj5615]

Yes, we should probably call it something like the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

[@f6876]

Sarah’s death could have easily been prevented if the police didn’t turn a BLIND EYE to one of their own.

[@goodnightmyprince6734]

@Marlboro Light Still those murders and rapes are all tragic, and never should have happened.

[@davesmith4804]

@Tabasco ...All true mate it's been going on in this country for years there all corrupt

[@price8061]

@Marlboro Light You've been watching too much tv

[@grumblewoof4721]

I fear then that if there is an push to get officers to turn their own in then we may lose half our police force overnight.

[@Londoneye57]

@@davesmith4804 no they are not all corrupt, what a stupid comment

[@kizzy2874]

This IS a real problem! When I was 15 I was being stalked by a 35 yr old. I went into the police station to report it and was placed in a room with a police officer who was about 40 yrs old. When I was telling the policeman about things the guy had been doing like making sexual innuendos, following me home and trying to grope me, the policeman man said 'I don't blame him' and gave me this creepy look! I realised my complaint wasn't going anywhere, so I left and just started carrying pepper spray.

[@Dimples240]

Sorry to hear you wasn’t helped, a few weeks ago I was followed on the bus 6am in the morning the guy kept waiting at the door to see when I would get off. I made a scene on the bus and told him if he got off at the same stop I would be calling the police, there was a few people on the bus and no one helped 🥺

[@redpillnibbler4423]

It’s obviously wrong what happened to you - sadly our institutions have become corrupt,it’s best to be self reliant and avoid the police where possible. I don’t blame you at all for carrying pepper spray but be aware the only thing that’s legal is paint marker spray,yes I know it’s a joke.Best thing is to be aware at all times and do all the right things like avoid walking alone - prevent a situation arising.It’s sad to say but the police arn’t your friend.All the best.

[@harrycallahan1]

I am the father of two lovely daughters, and when they were around 15 years old they started dressing in provocative clothing and drawing the attention of assorted perverts when going out in public. I was ridiculed by both them and my ex-wife for being an old fuddy duddy and being overly protective when I asked them to tone it down. That's feminism for you.

[@kizzy2874]

@@harrycallahan1 Well tbh it doesn't matter, if a guys a creep he's a creep! I wore camo trousers with dm boots and never showed any skin apart from my arms when I was stalked. Sarah was wearing winter sportswear and a beanie when this sicko took her. A woman should feel safe no matter what she's wearing, fact. So if a woman is wearing a swimming costume at a beach or a pool then is she asking for it? Guys go completely shirtless in hot weather and feel safe. It's nothing to do with feminism, the problem is creepy guys that think they can do whatever the hell they want with women.

[@rammingspeed4941]

3s 33s everywhere! Thats how they SIGNAL to their brothers without speaking directly

[@icystrangers5482]

"I resisted arrest because I wasn't sure he was a real police officer" will become a valid defence in court.

[@telsclarke7784]

They will falsely accused you of resisting arrest and assault - regardless!

[@grumblewoof4721]

That can be corrected if two officers are required to effect an arrest and if the suspect is a women then one of the officers must also be a women. We obviously need more and better trained police officers. Also pre-appointment vetting and investigation of any minor offences by the officer needs to be built in.

[@NatalieLawrence]

This is the thing - he WAS a real police officer. People pretending to be a police officer isn’t the problem. Real police officers abusing their power is.

[@alexpotts6520]

This misses the point. Wayne Couzens *was* a real police officer.

[@grumblewoof4721]

@Kernowjim I think this is the problem, while we can see the abuse of power by a serving police officer here the vast majority of the population are calling for more police and for them to have more power to curtail street crime including knives and gangs etc... Priti Patel is increasing the use of powers for Stop and Search. A fine balancing act.

[@Tara-Maya]

Every copper knows a Wayne Couzens.

[@user-ec9rz7xh7e]

This is soo scary, you can’t trust anyone

[@gbjanuary]

@Prince Edward 😂

[@jonathanwalker8730]

Actually I think you can trust most people apart from the police, who apparently think it's hilarious to nickname their colleague 'the rapist'.

[@khursheedshaikh7263]

The Brits talk about it at least unlike us Indians.

[@emilyjaneleightonporter5367]

That's a real shame tho I've noticed the Indians don't want to talk about serious police issues in there force why not that's so so sad 😢 I hope you work it out and discuss it soon xx

[@goodnightmyprince6734]

Nigerian cops are currupt too. According to my Nigerian mum.

[@vault1549]

All we do is talk about it, nothing ever changes

[@sukhmann5623]

The Indian media is even more corrupt than western media, I can't look at it because it makes me sick.

[@druunderwood5602]

Hit it with a stick that normal works!

[@ncpmellifluousanonymous1984]

How can trust in the BBC and government be repaired?

[@britishsummergardenlive1649]

never

[@NCrist100]

Never, the BBC is a Left Wing anti British organisation. The police are a law unto themselves

[@cthompson1976]

How is the BBC anti British lol there the ones who are trying to preserve the culture at any means

[@NCrist100]

@@cthompson1976 They are promoting anything anti British.

[@redpillnibbler4423]

It can’t.End of.

[@iancraig6070]

Every time you interact with the police always film it,they don't like it because it holds them to account.

[@rayeasom]

Every time I’ve seen one of those videos it in invariably the one behind the camera that is the one requiring being held to account. Using the phone in their hand to try and get out of whatever they’ve done and using a small edited snippet of a much longer interaction to demonstrate their “injustice.”

[@jonathanwalker8730]

Always film them. It might even compel them to behave like professional adults rather than playground bullies.

[@mermaidmoon2254]

Thank you for this piece of advice 🙏

[@MikeNMash]

Steven Lawrence is the reason we don't trust police... Y'all late to the party

[@likklepandroid8757]

Say it again louder for the people at the back!!!

[@julierogers1155]

I am in the United States ... who is Steven Lawrence and what is the issue?

[@MikeNMash]

@@julierogers1155 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqmqm6OFmKeZps0 Its a hour doc about the situation

[@RedheadLondon]

Colin Stag?

[@ArtSamsun]

During period of increased police powers in initial lockdown.

[@druunderwood5602]

One rule for them another for us.

[@abbyalphonse499]

I think the increase in power was one that the police did not want.

[@isell7547]

@@druunderwood5602 ur so right

[@druunderwood5602]

@@isell7547 I dont like being right, But someones got to do it.

[@jamescaley9942]

@James Stewart Tricked her into believing she did something wrong which was probably easier with the confusion over lockdown regulations. Bad guys don't think like you and me: they see those who are trusting and co-operative as a weakness to be exploited.

[@mattjagger4360]

The enrolment process should be changed to extensive psychological profiling before training even starts. Narcicistic personality disorder, sociopathy, anti social behaviour, sexual fetishism. There's a reason behind the saying You can reform a criminal You can't reform a cop

[@matthewhale2464]

They are human mate and have all of these to an extent.

[@mattjagger4360]

@@matthewhale2464 on a spectrum of a normal person...yes. to a degree. But the social sciences have all the data and all the tests to weed out anyone in the un healthy side of the spectrum on all disorders. It's undertaken for spies. It's undertaken for certain special forces. It's undertaken for inmates of increasing scale of crimes. It's not difficult for a psychologist team with a criminal psychologist to weed these types out. You have to consider the saying within social science about police officers. You can reform a criminal. You can't reform a cop. They are establishments full of very mentally unwell people.

[@arhael3594]

I would question effectiveness of the methods. On those evaluations you can mimic feelings and give the right answers. Unless there is an actual scan of brain with evaluation of brain cortexes responsible for empathy, I don't see how those processes can be reliable. Phycological evaluations work best, when it is voluntary and the patient wants actual help.

[@mattjagger4360]

@@arhael3594 that's how they work. People fake it. And it highlights the areas of concern. For example. I'm 'normal' if you showed me a picture of a dead cat. I would say...that's a dead cat. Someone faking it or highlighting over empathy, poor cat! Oh no, that's awful. Or...answering for example, who killed the cat? Well no. All things die you know nothing about the cat or how old it was or how it died. The correct response is not to react like the cat is being tortured or feel for the owner...or immidiately quiz who killed the cat. I.e. all people are evil, someone killed the cat. That's hallmark sociopathy. Simple questions like that highlight an issue straight away. The tests are very conclusive of people not within normal range of function.

[@arhael3594]

@@mattjagger4360 Would be interesting to participate in such test.

[@legspasm]

They just pushed the incidents under the rug and covered for each other even joked about it

[@danielspillett5393]

because the police like the army use humour to get over the things we have seen so shut up until you have walked in there shoes you have no right to post your ill-informed bollocks

[@thebatman4279]

@@danielspillett5393 Sounds like have experience. Bent copper yourself?

[@justicar5]

@@danielspillett5393 so you use humor while covering up the crimes of colleagues....how many rapists and murderers are you protecting? Because you aren't protecting the public.

[@Muscles_McGee]

freemason's standard M.O.

[@legspasm]

@@danielspillett5393 the difference is the army they are ment to kill the police arnt suppose to kill, rape let each other get away with crimes commited to the public bit of a big difference dont really know how youd struggle with the concept

[@ingaju88]

Well done for telling us what police has to tell us b4 arresting us.

[@naysx12]

Literally

[@MrAndyPee]

Lol

[@blazzing]

How about a minimum of 2 Police officers can make a 'random', I mean random, I really mean random arrest or stop. Any person whether male, female, child can only be arrested if there is another police officer present for THE ENTIRE DRIVE TO THE POLICE STATION. Do not get in to a police car without witnesses AND on camera.

[@mat4303]

Phone someone and keep them on the line and enable location on your phone at all times

[@amandaj.barnes5919]

Police do work alone. Its the unmarked car that raises concerns for me and if the car is unmarked then I would request backup car arriving. His warrant card should not have been enough to arrest Sarah 😒 ever. You don’t know if an officer is on duty as a civilian. He must call for backup. This is a little too late for Sarah. Plus Couzens took Sarah's phone from her. She was alone and vulnerable in a population of hundreds and was let down badly.

[@Echo-mz6tz]

The trouble I have with this is that when your colleague's nickname you the "rapist" that doesnt install much sense of security being arrsested by two male police officers as opposed to one. Infact its even more terrifying especially for a woman.

[@davesmith4804]

Its the police thats the problem there is none ...NO real police anyway there all corrupt

[@bobtudbury8505]

well spoken from the armchair

[@LL-ip5mm]

Heart is broken for both Sara evard and Sabina nessa rip to both two innocent young women walking home and murdered so sorry rip to both ladies

[@linzi94]

And Julia James who was just out walking her dog.

[@crowtales8828]

Sabina news reporting gone quiet as it was illegal immigrant who killed her 🤔🤔🤔 Why the silence now someone said keep it shushy shushy now as all illegals are not killers yet same news are saying all men not to be trusted or is it only WHTE men media got agenda against

[@LL-ip5mm]

@@linzi94 gonna find out about this one haven’t heard of it ty for mentioning it

[@unmarkedx6982]

There have always been sex crimes . Police is the reason they are not happening every day to everyone

[@JayJordanJuly]

@Mario Rossi : We’ll said!!

[@VisualiseTheFun]

Looks like Line of Duty was a documentary after all...

[@I2YANx]

The trust in police should never be restored. It shouldn't exist in the first place. They work for the people, no matter how good of a job they do. They are held to an ideal at all times and should be under constant scrutiny to adhere to it. Simple.

[@zerodollarexpat]

This is an excellent point.

[@grime1]

Says A LOT about the Police that they “jokingly” nickname their colleague “The Rapist”

[@corpsegrinder6194]

Exactly it says they all knew what this guy was capable of

[@julierogers1155]

That IS a big "WOW"!!!!

[@jonathanwalker8730]

I think that's really disturbing. I can't help picturing some juvenile, laddish culture in which it's 'funny' to have a mate whose nickname is 'the rapist'. I have worked with some pretty rough, blunt, aggressive blokes, but no-one who would ever have thought rape was a joke. Couzens got caught; but his nickname of 'the rapist' makes you wonder about the calibre of his colleagues. The Guardian tells us that since 2009 at least 15 women have been killed by serving or retired police officers in the UK.

[@julierogers1155]

@@jonathanwalker8730 That is an alarming statistic and it is unacceptable.

[@drgunsmith4099]

Some police are as sketchy as the criminals.

[@jonathanwalker8730]

Some?

[@rinyeongi6322]

@@jonathanwalker8730 tru dat

[@metratone5]

No-one will EVER really Trust the police. Its a shame because some really do believe in looking out for others. Condolences to this young woman's family and friends.

[@georgedavey1339]

No Comments = No Further Action 🤐 stay strong, stay silent and stay safe people. Keep an eye out for your people but not only them but your people's people and their people's people's people because at the end of the day we only have eachother. I know there are alot of people who join the force because they want to do bring good to the world, but its hard to trust people when they are litterally paid to lie if it means they get their suspect.

[@ebiyazdani5071]

👌👍

[@mrdg1523]

@DriftZ TwoSeven Then do something about it as at present your part of the problem.

[@garyzod8818]

The blue wall of silence

[@rocky76dude7]

At the same time they increase their powers

[@f6876]

There are many more monsters like him lurking in the police force.

[@peterjones8781]

And you know this how? What a load of utter nonsense. I don’t like how the police behave especially lately, but to say their are murderers “lurking” in the police is absolute utter nonsense.

[@1Chasg]

The same silly analogy could be used about anything. Doctors, nurses, drivers, pilots, mechanics etc. There's bad apples in every occupation, doesn't mean we should all not trust anybody ever or think everyone is evil.

[@peterjones8781]

@@1Chasg The fact is 99.9999999% of people living anywhere are just normal everyday people trying to get on with their jobs and lives. The media are doing a great job a stirring up fear and hatred. This world is going to hell so fast. I’m far more worried about what the media are doing than anything. This world is being run by evil people intent on causing as much harm to everyday people as possible, and using anything they can to further their agendas.

[@bassinblue]

Dennis Nilsen was a coppa.

[@Unethical.Dodgson]

There are many more monsters like him -lurking in the police force.- lurking in the human race. 7bn people. At least some of them are going to be psychopaths and criminals. A shocking statistic. (Sarcasm)

[@paulhoye9680]

Better question how can we trust the bbc ,police and government ever again?

[@41g28]

BBC? What have they done wrong?

[@serenaroseauthentics1391]

Jobs that give automatic authority & power over others attract a certain type of person. RIP Sarah.

[@satvindermudan5006]

1, we all feel for the family and how it has destroyed their lives. 2, What you say is right and they are usually unpleasant people, so abuse is a built-in from the outset.

[@rammingspeed4941]

Its called Govern Ment! A.k.a..mind control....these people are the same ones who tell us to take experimental vaccines and wear masks

[@jonathanwalker8730]

100% agree with you.

[@rammingspeed4941]

@@jonathanwalker8730 thanks for agreeing with me

[@julierogers1155]

That does ignore the fact that there are decent, good police officers.

[@krushingbro6620]

sorry but it can't be repaired, i'm not sure what's gonna happen but faith has long been lost in the met police way before this tragedy.

[@patrickdevitt1789]

Baby murdering nurse Beverly Allitt.

[@skywardsoul1178]

Met Police have been abusing our veterans and protesters without accountability too...

[@livingfailure]

@Cosplay Schoolgirl this isn't about race, coppers are equal opportunity abusers of human rights

[@bearsbreeches]

Sack 20,000 police plus support staff, then rapidly recruit more inexperienced staff with poor vetting, sounds like a very bad idea to me

[@jamesjay6642]

yes the Tories have blood on their hands

[@susanbrown2909]

You need police to police the police ..it’s that simple .

[@queensheenz8400]

That will never happen, though it should be the case.

[@FrontlineWinger]

And then the police policing the police need to be policed… genius

[@davidmccarter9479]

There should be absolutely no question of a solo police officer ever arresting anyone. Police work in pairs at least.

[@FoodwaysDistribution]

All police officers should be in uniforms when dealing with members of the public.

[@gbjanuary]

There not enough police officers more leave than are replaced.

[@charsobishi]

Serious question..what if one officer calls in sick? Does that mean the other one stays indoors?

[@FoodwaysDistribution]

@PrimeVids they can do whatever undercover work they want, ONLY a police office in uniform should have the power to stop you or arrest you...this way i don't have to try to work out if this guy is an officer or not.

[@joznnerandle8838]

as a victim of sexual abuse by a police officer I still have nightmares about what happened to Sarah. RIP sweet angel I am so devastated by what you must have gone through 😭

[@lauraembleton4363]

RlP Sarah Everard

[@loveit8293]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4XKl3iEjrJ3hM0 ..

[@sarapiper385]

My condolences go to the family I am so sorry for your loss I hope your daughter Can rest in peace now

[@adpmac3981]

What family?

[@crowtales8828]

He be out in 20years just like that scum bag Colin pitchfork who murdered and raped two teenagers in 80s he is out now prowling the streets at 62 years old certainly wasn’t life sentence for him only the families

[@geoffpoole483]

@@crowtales8828 He got a whole life tariff.

[@sarapiper385]

@@adpmac3981 The young lady who got murdered that’s the family I was on about sending my condolences are you that thick

[@lucindabundy1887]

This is so horrible

[@kevinkeelan354]

More chance than the bbc regaining the trust of the public.

[@bumface1810]

The female police chief is 100% incompetent and should resign asap. Never send a woman to do a mans job.

[@WelshSwan1986]

@@bumface1810 Nah she's not going to resign, she knows too much and will stay on until she chooses to leave. Christ knows what sort of stuff she has hanging over people.

[@bumface1810]

The whole system is rotten, no accountability for it’s failures.

[@nicestguyinhouse6112]

Lol brilliant, see they admitted lying about the fake video in syria? shocking

[@druunderwood5602]

Good luck with that whitey!

[@kayelapsley5693]

He was known and what did they do cover for him make a joke now a young beautiful lady is dead should we trust yes do we trust no

[@kayelapsley5693]

@To Hell With Democracy dumb what does that make you as you certainly didn't nor understand my comment. But allow me to explain something to you I am neither dumb nor stupid now plod along

[@kayelapsley5693]

A Young Beautiful Lady who had her whole life ahead of her. . Her life stolen by someone we are told we can trust he used that trust to prey on the young changes need to be made Rape is not a joke Murder should result in the Death penalty life for a life 💙🌹💙🌹

[@mrseuugr]

Obviously the guy was a known freak and no one cared much about it. Whatever the issue might be- what’s the solution here?

[@ashleyfairway.540]

He was married.

[@thesavagetaxman846]

You can't just lock a dude up just because you think he's a freak. If they haven't committed any crimes, the police have no jurisdiction to arrest them. They aren't mind readers and can tell who the bad guys are.

[@adpmac3981]

Pay more attention. That's not directed at women out walking, that's to the people watching the news who still believe "Sarah Everard" was a real person.

[@simonj5615]

Are you seriously telling me you do not have colleagues with silly nicknames?

[@isell7547]

@@adpmac3981 weirdo

[@aclementine9928]

When you are being arrested by the police "Call 999 and the police will come..."; that made me laugh while also being physically sick.

[@gbjanuary]

Raising concerns against police officers should welcomed not shut down.

[@NCrist100]

This is so terrible, my thoughts go to the parents of this beautiful woman. I didn’t trust the police before this, I trust them even less now.

[@thebatman4279]

Would it be less sad if she wasn't beautiful?

[@NCrist100]

@@thebatman4279 No. Whoever the victim is it would be very sad indeed. I just mentioned that because she was beautiful.

[@pauldrummyb2017]

I trust your point of view much much less.

[@MrPaultopp]

Beauty has NOTHING to do with it …………..So it’s ok for a minger to die ?

[@kevinkeelan354]

Ridiculous

[@jackjohnhameld6401]

Sarah's terrifying and lonely death could have been prevented : the Met could have intervened, and Couzens could have been monitored. Which is why women are incandescent with rage as Sarah's mother said in court.

[@Shahzada1prince]

colleagues gave him enough time to erased all data from his mobile phone before arrested

[@pauldrummyb2017]

And yet still put before court and sent to prison.

[@utrapzab]

They can help to regain trust by going after these grooming gangs and giving them whole life sentences too

[@loveit8293]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4XKl3iEjrJ3hM0 ..

[@mrumarGTA]

What grooming gangs dumbass

[@FMK1317]

@@mrumarGTA 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@WanderingKhajiit]

@@mrumarGTA f course your name is "omar" lol

[@SenpaiTorpidDOW]

Well police don't set the sentences so they can't do anything about that...

[@henriettalondon6141]

I don't know why they are talking about watching porn when that police officer was reported to the police many times for sexual offences. (starting 2015!) the last time the worker of McDonalds reported him being naked while ordering a meal. So it is not about failure to report him by the colleagues who kept a secret. THe man was already in the system for sexual offences!

[@Izotopas]

I read somewhere that he was known from his colleagues as the violent porn addict and a flasher! Was called a R*PIST! Shoulda never been working anywhere close to the Police or MET!

[@drgunsmith4099]

BBC actually asking questions that matter for once.

[@dcoughla681]

I don’t think the BBC did that at all. Nobody that mattered when talking about this incident showed up. Sir Tom Windsor made excuses for Dame Cressida Dick & Newsnight goes out late at night when few people watch it.

[@joetowsey2898]

They did not ask Eric or Jimmy but it is a start.

[@martj1313]

I didn't know anyone who trusted them before this happened, he just reinforces what most people think, they are liars and childish bullies who misuse powers to make peoples lives as unpleasant as possible.

[@colinluckens9591]

DON'T TAR ALL OF THEM WITH THE SAME BRUSH - you probably CAN trust the VAST MAJORITY of police officers, who I should think are perfectly dedicated and competent...

[@martj1313]

@@colinluckens9591 There are far too many that are not, and they get protected, Watch some Crimebodge, especially PC Knights who headbutted an innocent driver and then used his wife in professional standards to make the complaint disappear, had to take a private prosecution to get him sacked.

[@colinluckens9591]

@@martj1313 Yes, well I would agree with you....like this guy (Couzens). That is probably too much a culture of the police that certainly NEEDS to change. But what's "Crimebodge"?

[@Chris-nf3sg]

Totally agree. The police are not to be trusted and are responsible for some of the most disgusting crimes going. Rot in hell Couzens- you horrible piece of shit.

[@jonathanwalker8730]

@@colinluckens9591 Have you ever met a police officer? They're thick, bullying scum. Not good enough for the army or the fire service so they waltz around with their hands in their pockets inappropriately addressing you as 'mate' or 'fella', clogging up Greggs and MacDonald's (apparently with immunity to disabled parking spaces and yellow lines) and occasionally confronting people about miniscule and even imaginary 'offences'. They know bugger all about the law - hence if you're unfortunate enough to have to deal with them you'll notice that they're immediately glued to their mobile phones. Bloated, obnoxious oxygen thieves. Also Google records of convictions of police personnel for murder, domestic violence, sexual offences, drink driving and drug dealing. I wouldn't trust a police officer as far as I could spit.

[@jonplukehughes2807]

For stArters now if a lone male officer stops a lone female he should immediately call for back up while the woman waits in her car

[@Jp-ll8gq]

For a one off case? Righto mate

[@pauldrummyb2017]

@@Jp-ll8gq One off case that has caused a lot of concern and debate. So why not give some reassurance?

[@MrPaultopp]

ONE copper………ONE …..get real

[@Thapanirmal]

Yeah, I thought they would use female police officer for handling females.

[@RJWhitmore]

If a lone officer, male or female, needs to make an arrest then the officer should need to call it in and the person being arrested should need to be told to call the police with the officers name and ID and confirm the arrest before the officer is allowed to take them in. Anything less than this risks anyone just getting an outfit and telling someone they are the police and they have to come with them, or indeed, an actual police officer who is acting unofficially.

[@drgunsmith4099]

How on earth can anyone ever 100% trust a warrant card now.

[@sheepinwolfclothing4334]

Absolutely

[@lennieblake3444]

My mother told me as a child, to never blindly trust the police. I grew up to learn to never blindly trust anyone in positions of trust and authority. No one is genuinely surprised by what happened, it just makes for good TV to make it sensational... and surprise surprise... call for a senior female officer to resign... like she might have allowed it to happen??? As long as there are positions of power, there will be those who will abuse those positions. Its human nature.

[@amandaj.barnes5919]

The quality of the vetting is to blame. He was just moved on.

[@bobjary9382]

Inducted in a hurry. I need an enhanced DBS if I work with vulnerable client groups this is the minimum that the police should have... The Minimum!

[@henriettalondon6141]

sounds like they didn't have any psyco tests and evaluations before joining the police and while working. any one of us can become disturbed but if it is a police officer, the harm can be enormous. clearly, that police officer would have been spotted, had he been checked. he isn't like Hannibal Lector, he didn't hide from the system. he was reported for exposing himself in public in 2015 but they did nothing about it.

[@Thapanirmal]

I think you are right, his background & things he had been doing wasn't a clean record.

[@bobjary9382]

Plus once in post he was engaging in highly inappropriate behaviour that was common knowledge to colleagues So.... *He should have had a backbround check "He shoudl have had a psych evaluation. .. and... *There should be a transparent culture of zero tolerance regarding fucked up behaviour The Catholic Church. The United Nations (peacekeeping forces) The Police. These big institutions cannot be closing ranks on these type of crimes. When they do its women and children and some men that are being sacrificed on the altar of their 'brotherhood' ( I dont know what to call it... everything I think of sounds so loaded to me and I don't want to think its that deep) The police had/ have still a bad culture of disrespectful behaviour towards women. A lot of police banter sounds too similar to the way pimps talk. Women marginalised, seen as commodities, Paid to be with coppers when they're drinking hard and they think a lesbian sex show is a good way to unwind. Police are familiar with that culture and at the same time might be asked to have the sensibilities to interview a victim of rape. Most do a good job but it's not the environment for a sexual predator and murderer. Cressida Dick is luke warm on all this, saying she will do what's wanted... Wtf is that? She's had all this time to cook up something solid to say. A body a group set up, protocols, policy and procedure. Nothing... "We will do whatever is needed." Are you sure?. Wouldnt you rather forget all ablut it? Fuxache Cressida.

[@fuckbankers]

They do the same in America.

[@phildoodler2199]

This vile incident aside, I lost faith in the in the police a while back. Attacking peaceful freedom demonstrations, taking the knee to BLM marches, displaying a perfunctory attitude when I was burgled, and showing more interest in racial profiling (box ticking) me when I reported a car crime.

[@paulhoye9680]

Search thecrowhouse

[@phildoodler2199]

@@paulhoye9680 ye, good old Max Egan. I’ve watched a number of his videos. I fear he’s probably correct in what he says.

[@neonwolf4709]

ive had the same thing when my bike was stolen cerial numbers ? no? were they black? no did they say any thing offensive to you? no they just stole my bike.

[@0Er0]

I got assaulted in 2017, the people that assaulted me and broke my finger were caught within a month and a stolen item was retrieved. Yet guess what? Im still waiting to go court, they have confirmed with me that it will be in august next year. The incompetence is unreal. If i complained about someone saying something mean to me online i wonder how quick the police would jump on that and how quickly i would be in court? I literally have to wait 5 YEARS for justice for a physical assault.

[@12235117657598502586]

I didn’t know that Cuzzens was married with kids… I also feel sorry now for his wife and kids too! What a monster.

[@loveit8293]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4XKl3iEjrJ3hM0 ..

[@halfbakedproductions7887]

I believe his wife binned him pretty early on and especially her own arrest (she was dearrested a bit later) caused it all to sink in. There wasn't a full trial because he pled guilty, but I don't believe she attended his sentencing.

[@littleblackpistol]

He went wife shopping in Ukraine in 2001 for her. A foreign woman unlikely to get a proper read on his character, away from his natural habitat and circle. A woman likely happy to marry any old dude to get out of the shithole that country was at the time and to a rich stable country. Now apparently he had a 14 year-old 'girlfriend' i.e. he was a statuatory rapist when he was 23. What kind of adult men pursue underage girls? Nasty, insecure, controlling perves. Every time. Writing was on the wall with this guy for decades.

[@klaudetaristo9102]

Very wrong you are making the comment about foreign women and calling the Ukraine "a shithole". He in his late 30s having probably several British girlfriends who he fooled all the same.

[@mikejose4186]

This is what happened when you select wrong people as a Mayor for London.

[@fmanresurrected6774]

Shut up. Sadiq Khan isn’t responsible for this. Your far right Agenda isn’t going to get you anywhere. This happened because one of your own had sick ideologies and mental health problems. Idiot

[@ghostlea8802]

When I was 10 my mum had her car stolen,it ran out of fuel on the other side of the estate. I found the car and went home and told mum. My mum checked the car to see if the paint and paper was still in the boot with her golf clubs. It was still in the boot,the police said they would take the car and try and get prints. When mum picked up the car all the paint and paper along with the golf clubs were gone. Never trusted the police and never will.... People need to listen to John Beecher high level police being told to stop investigating high profile politician's pedos or lose your job,kids and home. This is the world I live in.......???????

[@dockaos924]

Just look at how the police have treated lone women since covid started

[@davidcaldwell6627]

Ive always said to my wife of 28 years, that I trust nobody, Nobody including her, Nobody I work with nor anyone I know, I only trust myself. The Police and the Church are the most untrustworthy people Ive know in my life, avoid them at all cost. If you help the Police, and then they ask for help at another time and you cant, they say help us, or will will tell those people who you helped us put away, you see your in their arse pocket. If you give someone 1% of a chance they will take your money, your home, your wife, anything at all. You must know someone who has said please lend me £50.00 till next week and I will pay you back and you never seen that money again. Trust Nobody and stay safe

[@Her.Serene.Feline.Cuteness.]

I agree with everything you wrote except I do find it very sad that you don't trust your wife, more for her than for you. At least she has been told the truth which proves your honesty even if in my opinion there is a lack of integrity in sharing a life with someone you don't trust. If it were me in her shoes, I would have left you ASAP. I can't think of anything worse, in personal relationship terms, than giving someone the best of me or the best years of my life only to discover that there is such a degree of mistrust. To your list of the most untrustworthy people of all (the Church and the police) I would add psychologists etc. I have found that in addition to those with authority and the illusion of goodness are those who pretend to understand and care about your mental health. They do not and only seek to take comfort in judging you.

[@zainzoala1083]

Transparency & accountability starts those responsible coming answering the questions the public questions. They are not even willing to come and give answers. All of them are somehow not available for answering questions.

[@alexpotts6520]

Quite, even now they are treating the incident as an exercise in PR and damage limitation, not an opportunity to start a conversation about reform.

[@dickdarstedly5012]

No alarm bells when a member of police team gets a nickname the rapist?

[@adpmac3981]

Believe that do you? Dastardly* is how you meant to spell your surname. Sarah never existed.

[@dickdarstedly5012]

@@adpmac3981 stick to flipping burgers 🍔

[@corpsegrinder6194]

@@adpmac3981 deluded and probably a copper

[@jonathanwalker8730]

This stuns me. Not just that that was his nickname, but even more creepiy that his colleagues apparently found that acceptable and amusing.

[@kellyannnoonan2674]

I was married to a police officer that assaulted me. If it wasn’t for the police, his colleagues, he would have never gone to prison for what he did to me. One bad apple ……. I trust the police and I brought my children up to respect and trust the police. I believe it’s awful that some of his colleagues called him the rapist and knew of his distasteful behaviour. He was just a poor excuse of a man that happened to be a police officer. I don’t think Cressida Dick should resign, there are far more officers closer to him that knew of his behaviour they should be looked at.

[@henriettalondon6141]

He was REPORTED to the police by third parties for sexual offences several times starting 2015 when he exposed himself at public in the shopping center and finally 3 weeks before the murder by the McDonalds worker when he ordered the meal at the drive through McDonalds while naked.

[@Bakersvill]

Once again wrong approach by government. The police simply need to be held 100% accountable for there actions.

[@simonj5615]

I would say Mr Couzens has definitely been held 100% accountable for his actions.

[@davesmith4804]

@Bak-er ...spot on mate it's the police thats the problem there corrupt scum bags ..look at that one that flying kicked that girl in the stomach the other day...scum the lot

[@Bakersvill]

@@simonj5615 Im talking every action, when they abuse there powers they are protected and that gives them a god complex.

[@simonj5615]

@@Bakersvill Historically that is certainly true. They are well aware of the intense spotlight on them now.

[@leanne8493]

I don’t think this is his first victim, how many more missing women that haven’t been found been targeted by him and other police officers?

[@pauldrummyb2017]

Stupid post. Youre suggesting we have serial killing Police officers.If you have any proof, tell the media.

[@pauldrummyb2017]

@@AngieBooStorm and typical misandry from a man hater.

[@Letizia2810]

@@pauldrummyb2017 not at all a stupid post. It’s a fair thing to question anyone no matter what, yesterday they’ve discovered that a French police man got caught after killing a girl “missing” since the 84 or 86. As soon as he realized that they were looking after him he killed himself. No one is accusing police men here, it’s a Valid argument.

[@justinbieberlake5635]

it's serial killers in the NHS you want to worry about, they've got a much better chance of slipping under the radar

[@pauldrummyb2017]

@@Letizia2810 Absolutely its right to question, however the OP, has suggested that "The Police" are responsible for other missing women. Thats a very sweeping generalisation and unfounded post. And stupid. Its very fashionable to criticise "The Police" but Ive met many and the majority are trying to do their best. Swap "The Police" with any societal group and then throw lazy labels about. And see the reaction you get.

[@stevie8763]

The trust can't and shouldn't be repaired. It is unsafe to trust them.

[@jonathanwalker8730]

What is this thing I keep reading about 'trust'? I'm half a century old and I've never met anyone who trusted the police.

[@rollyunicorn]

It can't. Trust in the Police has gone. Never to return.

[@ashleyfairway.540]

I would never have got into the car. People need to know their rights.

[@jonm6258]

Do you not go to see the GP when you're ill because of Harold Shipman?

[@rollyunicorn]

I'm not an OAP so no problem there. But if I was then I'd avoid them. We live in an age where most Doctors think they are God.

[@halfbakedproductions7887]

@@rollyunicorn Doctors just treat everyone else as stupid and beneath them. And it really is just doctors - you never get that from nurses, dentists, vets etc.

[@davidmg1925]

@@jonm6258 not quite the same thing pal. the cops have a history of violence.

[@melginger3794]

They have to change the leadership and culture.

[@Me_di]

You can’t trust psychopaths so no

[@sammyakkouche6913]

Its simple. Trust in the police cannot be restored.

[@danielwhite1135]

One big problem is the police seem to have become politicised in recent years, and it does feel like ideologues are in positions of influence. That is something that most people I know now distrust the police even more because of, and it seems like it is getting worse. Many people have lost the little respect they had for them, and when something like this happens it is like a hammer blow.

[@xvsupremacy7190]

Absolutely, and it’s not just young women who are targeted. After trying to obtain the release of CarolE Wood, (both CarolE Wood and Melanie Shaw were just seized from behind by two police 👮🏼‍♂️ persons and thrown into a windowless WVM.) In 2015 two young Detectives 🕵️‍♂️ came to our home in a windowless WVM, saying they were going to take me away for Questioning regarding a female solicitor the practice of 3 Seaside Lane, Easington , Co Durham, in relation to her being stalked. A Rousse! Husband said “She can’t get into that thing WVM, she is Disabled”. “Oh don’t worry we will help her into the back alone without any help from you”. Husband said “Warrant or no Warrant on your way, you are not taking off with my wife”. Reluctantly, they went in the same WVM they came in. Then January 23rd 2020, Durham Police, David Burnip & David Tindale & Lee Downey of Darlington Social Services. Sent Durham PACT sending a Voluntary Stranger from the ‘ 700 Club’, of Grange Rd Baptist Church to abduct me again. Telling husband she had Authorisation to send me to Manchester that very night. My husband apparently needed Carer Respite, though he had not requested any Carer Respite. No I.D except an obscure lanyard, and I was to go to Manchester for Respite, that very night. Trying to push her way past husband in order to get to me and approach me (Very Christian - not ) informing she would give husband a telephone 📞 number to Ring, after assessment in Manchester, as I would be moved on from there. Husband said “ you can tell PACT, Social Services and Lee Downey to be on their way, you are not forcefully Removing my wife from our home”. Horrified, we had visions of a Dr Shipman type “Professional” awaiting us in order to give me a Lethal Injection, under Category D misuse of Terrorism Act . So tyvm for warning ALL females to avoid False Arrest Warrants.

[@AlbertMet6661]

trust was gone long before poor Sarah RIP

[@gemmag.2988]

The end of initiating violent attacks on peaceful anti health passport protestors would be a step in the right direction.

[@jamiewatchorn7639]

My brother had his bike stolen under South Yorkshire policing territory. When he reported it they were rude and dismissive. When he said he would go looking to get it back they said that if he did they’d arrest him for harassment and stalking if he followed them to find the bike. Shows just how lazy they are

[@wildandbarefoot]

Cressida Dick was the OC in the Stockwell station John Charles de Menezes unlawful killing.

[@jonathanwalker8730]

Wow, I didn't know that. How the hell did she get promoted to such an exalted rank after overseeing that debacle?

[@wildandbarefoot]

@@jonathanwalker8730 connected. And they also like to have something to hang over you....

[@peterfeltham5612]

After a full dose of Theresa May as Home Secretary it's a wonder any decent,intelligent person is still left in the Met Police.

[@Thapanirmal]

Lol haha, Met Police are the worst in UK and are embrsssment to this country.

[@satesh7476]

Never trust the police 💯🇹🇹🇹🇹

[@Casavult]

It can't. All trust in the police was lost long before this even happened and it's a real shame because there is a small minority of police officers who actually care and try to do their job as best as they can.

[@alffuergregor]

It is so bad that this now even affects opinion of police in other countries.

[@FaxanaduJohn]

LOL at the “porn” aspect of all of this. Let’s also ban violent video games and rock and roll! 🎸

[@joshy420]

It indicates his sexual desires which have the potential to be dangerous, what actually made him dangerous was this desire in combination with his lack of morals. If someone played violent video games, its not the games that makes them dangerous. Same principle so stfu

[@jesssmith3615]

? i'm assuming you have no critical thinking skills, maybe research the topic first before you make insensitive comments

[@Izotopas]

I read somewhere that he was known from his colleagues as the violent porn addict and a flasher! Was called a R*PIST! Shoulda never been working anywhere close to the Police or MET!

[@ezekieltete6584]

Porn is unethical so there's the difference

[@jonathanwalker8730]

@@jesssmith3615 You shouldn't have dignified this dickhead with a response. Although who knows - perhaps he'll discover thinking, although I don't hold out for sensitivity.

[@simonj5615]

If there is a silver lining to this tragedy it is that the age of the serial killer is over. If this was 1980, he would be on victim number 5 by now, and the police would have no idea who he was. Lets not forget that he was caught with some very, very good police work, aided by an immense amount of CCTV.

[@user-qo9un2mf5u]

I’ve not long made a complaint. I’m disabled. I was arrested put in the back of a van, they broke every corner and I was sliding everywhere in the van. Ended up on the floor bumped my head and broken neck. They felt me up when taking me out of the van. I complained and they said it was fine to do!!!!

[@carlwakeling4915]

Trust the police when there is a murderer among them.

[@alanmccluskey114]

This can't be repaired they've shown their true colours especially after the organised thuggery at her vigil

[@jay-so6tv]

And who ordered that to happen. Cressida dick the same women who stood on TV yesterday and gave a poorly written scripted speech.

[@HappyCynic]

A vigil they were told not to attend. They broke the law.

[@jay-so6tv]

@@HappyCynic you know who else broke the restrictions the same government officials that put these restrictions in place. So if everyone is going to break the covid rules even the government I see the vigil as a perfect reason to.

[@jay-so6tv]

Ohhh and its not breaking the law there was no laws in covid, it was government policy restrictions, If it was breaking the law the thousands of people there would have received a criminal record silly.

[@HappyCynic]

@@jay-so6tv That's because little children like you would have stamped your feet for not getting your own way.

[@pheonix8167]

We never did trust them mate

[@terrycutting5614]

Have the public lost confidents in the police? or is it just the media stirring it up? After all Shipman was a doctor, and we still go to the doctors.

[@justicar5]

Shipman wasn't part of a pattern of behavior though, this is, whether it's assaulting protesters, harassing POC or abusing women, the police have form for all of it.

[@PreeMarket]

He was 23 and went out with a 14 year old… I bet Sarah wasn’t the first

[@scissoroarscissoroar3214]

The man is behind bars, havn't they done their job?

[@asmafayaz]

No because 80 women were killed after Sarah Everard was raped and murdered.

[@scissoroarscissoroar3214]

@@asmafayaz if 80 women were killed that means 560 men were killed because that's proportionally how it is worked out, think yourselves lucky you don't face the same dangers men face

[@scissoroarscissoroar3214]

@@asmafayaz and also how many out of those 80 were the murderers convicted? If that's a high proportion then the police are doing their jobs properly - the police don't have crystal balls that can tell if someone is going to be a criminal in the future

[@ianhoyle8459]

This was an absolutely despicable crime. But how can one question the integrity of the entire Metropolitan, UK Police Force or head of the organisation due to the extremely unusual and appalling actions of one individual? The accusations against the individual prior to the crime could well be attributed to common general male banter or ridicule; more generally unfounded and un pursuable.

[@1991-present]

"Common general male banter and ridicule".. the jokes just write themselves at this point.

[@The_Phoenix_Saga]

Given the attitude of many in the force these days, that matter of 'one individual' comes into question of whether or not it's relevant. I know there's good men and women in the uniform, but how can you discern them from the bad? Also there's a difference between banter - hell I'm no political correctness nut; I've had my fair share of edgy comments, then there's actually going and doing THIS.

[@pixelslightmagic8566]

because he’s clearly not the only pc that has stained their reputation beyond repair

[@The_Phoenix_Saga]

@@pixelslightmagic8566 those two caught bonking in their patrol vehicle behind their partner's backs; whilst on duty and ignoring two call out no less, being another example.

[@alexandrialeven868]

I was harassed in my own home for three years by someone who lived close by... And in three years not a single arrest was made, or charge brought.. and the pathetic response is " its what we can prove" followed by..."i have another job", or "we are very busy. " They fob you off and are totally useless

[@gamevidsnstuff5805]

I'm confused at why the whole police force are taking accountability for one psycho's actions? He did this not them. Before committing an act like this what are they meant to do? And is it reasonable for the police to stop every crime like this before it happens. It's just an impossible bar to set.

[@charg1nmalaz0r51]

Yeah people seem to have this bizzare idea that the police should be able to determine whether or not they are hiring a psychopath, like people are that easy to read.

[@gamevidsnstuff5805]

​@@charg1nmalaz0r51 The amount of psychopaths and serial killers that have fooled their employers, friends, neighbours. Going back years. People often wouldn't have suspected a thing because they are so manipulative. There are so many odd balls, narcissists, sociopaths and psychopaths walking our streets right now. The police and the general public have no idea. Most would not act out their fantasies but it only takes a certain set of conditions to bring out the worst in some of these people. The police should not be blamed.

[@wildandbarefoot]

Caught by bus cameras. Well done cctv team

[@AvtarSingh-hm2ti]

Despite the economic crisis, this is still a good time to invest in Gold and crypto

[@garydirkin6736]

The rich spend less and invest more

[@andrewcartwright1949]

Investing in these economic crisis will be one of the best thing to do

[@stevekim716]

You're right I think Gold and crypto are the best to invest right now

[@johnnyonell2468]

I wanted to trade crypto but got confused by the fluctuation in price

[@millermark7839]

That won't bother you if you trade with a professional like Stacey Lincoln

[@RCS-qx4km]

What they just said the police have to do when arresting is exactly what Couzens done 🤣 thanks for the clarity BBC

[@eineweitereratselhafteseel8801]

True except he went that little bit further

[@sonyamills4325]

My condolences to her family, I only can imagine the heart felt pain the families are going through right now. Great Britain Great Britain , woman have a voice and it must be heard.🙏

[@cattyelse2372]

yes but we still have some responsibility for our own safety though of course I am not vicitim blaming in any way.Obviously appalling but one needs to turn off the tech when walking and to trust intuition a little.Also women seem to think that they can achieve total safety.Not realistic, especially when their ears are plugged up and their phones taking their attention I acted stupidly at 32 in getting into a car in Istanbul with 3 turkish policeman like a fool and I was not then distracted by phones so one needs to learn to think at an early age, but these days people are obsessed with making their children feel totally safe which is not going to happen.. ..And interestingly where are the vigils for the two black women killed in 2020 on a common? Though again, why did they stay on at 1am on a common when all their friends had left? Men get attacked too and killed.And what about the many old women who are robbed and murdered/raped in their own homes?We never hear about them as people. I am afraid it is not safe to go just anywhere and it is entitled to think you can for a man or a woman.You have to think about your journey and even if you do you can still be at risk as there will always be people like him around. Also, though he has done a terrible thing, he is not a monster who was working in a culture where policemen probably made appalling comments all the time about women but would not go as far as he would.That will take time to address. But hes hould have the chance for redemption.I hate the way that the media influences sentencing.

[@abbieroseholden4174]

Pure evil using your own profession to disguise yourself to you could hurt and kill an innocent young woman!! Poor Sarah she must of been so scared her poor family will never ever stop thinking of her. R.I.P Sarah 💔💔

[@darkenergy2151]

Do a freedom of information on your local police force, as to how many officers have criminal records.... They won't name them, but they'll tell you how many and the nature of the crime...... You'll be shocked.

[@darkenergy2151]

@Tony DC Tony I hope the DC isn't Detective Constable 😆😆😆

[@alex29443]

I don't know if I have a problem with that per se, leaving a life of violent crime to become one of the goods guys sounds like a good redemption to me. I want some police officers who intimately understand criminals and violence, as well as boy couts and girl guides.

[@jonathanwalker8730]

Yes, you don't even need to apply for a FOI; there are masses of statistics online about criminal police behaviour. It takes very little research to pull them up. Strange; they seem like such nice people.

[@cyberpunk3052]

Criminals and Police officers have a similar psychological profile...

[@bepolite6961]

This the same BBC that caused mayhem by reporting there was a Shortage of fuel and tanker drivers. What happened to this girl was horrific and heartbreaking, but I honestly have to say that the BBC would be the last broadcasters I would ever turn to for reliable information.

[@damohead]

Strange how there isn't the same reaction when I bin man murders someone or maybe a delivery driver...🤔🤔🤔

[@UDF2WoZza1]

Many rapes and murders done by sick individuals under the church of all religions, plenty still trust them... He got caught and punished, just hope he will never be released!

[@helenweatherby1694]

He has a whole life tariff.

[@susanbrown2909]

Everyone’s responsible for their own conduct...most are just plain evil.

[@BBountyHunter]

1) Start with MET Police chief resigning. 2) Investigate why Sarah’s murderer got fast tracked into service and why he wasn’t at least suspended for exposing himself to women. 3) Review all police officers’ suitability for service. 4) Investigate all police cover-ups from last 20 years and issue harsh punishments to those responsible.

[@corirenata6541]

Based on my own experience of the Constabulary, I have no faith in the police. This is extremely depressing.

[@jk28416]

you cannot allow this to descend into a 'war on men', the guy had a clean record with no actual convictions or anything. They called him 'the rapist' because he apparently looked like one, if anything that is bullying. Curtailing the rights of 'all men' is equivalent to curtailing the rights of 'all blacks', correlation does not equal causation. This will always happen.