Sargon Plays Dumb on Fascism

[@CervantesVI]

Carl's just gonna ignore the fact that Nazism was heavily influenced by American eugenics-based policies from the 1920s and 30s.

[@Grungivaldi]

"15 million people joined a union!"...theres 300 million people in the US...

[@FedorkablePro]

As a government teacher, seeing you pull out your own annotated copy of the Constitution and doing a well-thought-out dramatic reading and commentary brings me joy

[@dmanzawsome]

The real problem is Soygon's IQ is not old enough to drink but as a brit he grew up in a pub so they let him anyway.

[@travishimebaugh8381]

"The Trump resistance movement struggles against tyrannical President Antifa!"

[@Black_pearl_adrift]

That's * King * Antifa to you Peasant

[@johnnyjosefsen7644]

Biden is antifa personified. He's also a certified commulist.

[@johnnyjosefsen7644]

@Joe Average He kept his head low for a while, appeared on h3h3s podcast where he said he didn't want to be involved in politics and then he returned to making his comedy videos. He said some fucked up shit, but i'll admit that i find most of his post-hiatus videos quite hilarious.

[@Black_pearl_adrift]

@Doll Steak *cocks gun aiming it at the back of your spacesuit* always have been

[@aguyithink4119]

@@johnnyjosefsen7644 lmao how

[@TripleGia]

I love how the only defense fascists have for playing off fascism is just looking at the other side and going "uhh no you"

[@SnakeMan448]

"Caaaaarrrl, that's fascism!" "I did not know that." "How could you not know that?"

[@neutronstarpilot4393]

You don't even need the "on Fascism" part and the title would be fine, Infact you could even remove the "plays" part and it still works.

[@lexzetusko]

i had to check the date of this video cause that could be any time in the last decade

[@dappermasquerade4299]

Sargon should never ever be allowed to talk about politics again with any seriousness after ukip like for real

[@JosephJamesScott]

Sargon should never ever be allowed to talk -about politics- again with any seriousness -after ukip like for real- Fixed that for you

[@JosephJamesScott]

@John A Doe correlation is not causation. Sargon gets involved with groups with a lot of negative and reactionary types and then those groups inevitably fall apart with infighting. Is Sargon the cause? Maybe with UKIP, his inept fingers were all over that, but I'm not sure about the other groups. Maybe a group of assholes can only be united against other groups for so long before they inevitably turn on each other.

[@Liberater4589]

remember; sargon is a self admitted white nationalist (watch his second vaush debate where he literally says he is after having it described to him) and has previously said he prefers a fascist ethno state to liberal democracy, so his honesty in his descriptions of what fascism is or looks like is suspect at best

[@dynamicworlds1]

Louder for the people in the back.

[@SeanWinters]

Lol You people literally deserve gold medals for the mental gymnastics you do to demonize people who disagree with you. Almost like accusing jews of blood matzo.

[@Kropothead]

@@SeanWinters Probably says something about you that the first example you come up with is a bit of esoteric antisemitism conjured up from the 1930s purely to go “haha no u.” I hate to be this guy, but have you considered that’s the sort of thing a fascist would say if they didn’t want people to focus on the problems presented by the resurgence of American fascism?

[@SeanWinters]

@@Kropothead actually, it's a theory much older than the thirties. Says a lot about you that you think all Jews were only oppressed during the thirties.

[@cosmodious1755]

Sargon is the kind of guy who watched the Star Wars prequels and thought "This Palpatine guy is probably alright" because Palpatine didn't have a t-shirt saying "SITH LORD".

[@thuglifeinc4894]

You know what's worse. I went to his video and looked at the comments and there's this one dude who says that there's a growing fascist movement coming from the left. This is the gist of his comment by the way. I pointed out that the left can't be fascist cause fascism is built on nationalism. I can say this confidently that most leftists (progressives) don't support nationalism, they support patriotism. They support the idea: I'm proud of my country but we can do better. Those supporting nationalism have the mindset: My country's the best. We need preserve our history and bring it back to it's former glory. Also fascist hate liberals, socialists, communists and anarchists. Antifa are a mix of those ideologies. So again, how are Antifa fascist? I used to be one of those Anti-SJW types for a bit until I took a break from politics up until recently when I took a few political compass tests which placed as a libertarian socialist and aslo an anarchist. Keep in mind like most who follow American politics, I'm not American. But something I noticed from my time in the Alt-Right pipeline is the right always made the argument that left changes the definition of words to fit their narrative. That's ironic cause the right always changes the definition of fascism to demonize Antifa who aren't fascist in any sense of the word. So, yeah, I've seen the light in a way.

[@specialnanobot]

10%. Oh dear. That sure is a lot. "In all the Nordic countries with a Ghent system-Sweden, Denmark and Finland-union density is about 70%. The considerably raised membership fees of Swedish union unemployment funds implemented by the new center-right government in January 2007 caused large drops in membership in both unemployment funds and trade unions."

[@Urvogel7]

Jake, I worry that your channel is becoming a live action llamas with hats spin off. "Caaaaaarl, why are you a fascist sympathizer?!" "Because I'm a dangerous sociopath."

[@Loquification]

Has Jake come around a little on socialism? Not the 'revolution now' kind, the 'socialism is the goal we should work towards' kind?

[@nathanjasper512]

Seems like it. I think Vaush is influencing him. I saw a video where Jake called somebody a smooth brain.

[@SushiMom]

You really should join us on Twitch. Jake is a Lefty and he really advocates for historical reality and basic standards that all people should have. Free housing for those in need, UBI, Single Payer, free higher education, free daycare, and free internet. He's a fantastic ally.

[@Kropothead]

Based on his positions, I’d describe him as a market socialist. He thinks the end of capitalism is a desirable and natural way for society to progress, but that people are going to have to be weaned off. He’s compared the transition to getting out of a pool: you’re not dry immediately. You towel off, and gradually air dry the rest of that moisture. Seems like a pretty solid way to think about the transition, though I’m sure there are valid critiques. TLDR; yes.

[@Phourc]

It's like these people live in an alternate reality. Crazy shit.

[@Phourc]

@@solan7978 Lol, Sargon fan? Does it bother you watching these people stan fascism?

[@randomjunk1977]

It's pretty hilarious that Sargon's evidence that there isn't nationalism is that there are people out fighting nationalism.

[@JohnThelin]

It's telling thar Carl doesn't actually deny the fascism, but just says that it's not a problem.

[@paraplegicleopardman]

He's gonna go after Aron Ra? Like damn. Nobody told me Carl decided to set up a circus.

[@FunFilmFare]

Even if we're wrong, we have very good reason for thinking America could become fascist.

[@LimeyLassen]

"The USA has laws that make it hard for fascists to take over, therefore Trump can't be a fascist." He's trying, Carl. He's doing his best!

[@trilightning]

that's why I like the first article of the german constitution way more. In English it reads: Article 1 [Human dignity] To respect and protect it shall be the duty of all state authority. (2) The German people therefore acknowledge inviolable and inalienable human rights as the basis of every community, of peace and of justice in the world. Rights before power structure

[@meredithwhite5790]

If you need to state your credentials to back up your argument, your argument probably isn't good enough using valid arguments. Also, what matters is expert consensus, not what an individual expert believes.

[@smspain09]

Also, epidemiologists are experts in the spread of diseases, not treatment.

[@loaf8506]

Cant believe sargon just sat next to you quietly, is he deaf?

[@zachnesmith]

Sargon is beyond being low hanging frut. He's that thing in the back of the fridge that you think looks like it used to be fruit but now looks more like a tiny charcoal brick. New sub here, dude. Keep the good work up.

[@packpowerfan]

"WTF...BRIAN." *checks driver's license* ...shit.

[@Renegade2786]

So basically what Sargon is trying to do is saying that there are five lights when they are only four.

[@thatyoutubechannel9953]

The theory bashing was absolutely ridiculous. "I listen to everyone who's talking" did you know that reading is a kind of listening to someone, Jake? Did you know that a twenty minute KZbin or CNN clip is not as information-dense as a 300 page book? Did you know that a 1000 page book contains WAY MORE information even than a 300 page book? You don't have to worship any one theorist to read theory and appreciate it. I have never talked to someone who actually reads theory and wasn't just a LARPy dipshît who recommended ONE author. Talk to a Leninist, talk to a classical Marxist, talk to a proto-Marxist, talk to an anarchist. You're going to get like 20 authors and 50 book recommendations from every single one of them. Pretending that reading theory is somehow lesser than this Dave Rubin kind of marketplace of ideas rhetoric is just juvenile and sad.

[@StuntpilootStef]

"What fraudulent elections?" Boy, that question has aged well.

[@hegelbot]

The constitution applies to any human under the jurisdiction of the United States, not just citizen, although some provisions apply specifically to citizens.

[@bengreen171]

Jake's take on the UK is far more insightful than Sargon's take on...anywhere.

[@0hAHGahmi]

friendly fyi in case you didn't realize: ---- *insightful* means to understand something, to see the details ----- *inciteful* means to rile people up, get them excited "incite violence". Sargon has no insight, and he loves to incite.

[@bengreen171]

@@0hAHGahmi lol.I blame typing. Four sum reason it terns my language too shit. cheers for the heads up. (at least I didn't do the 'your/you're' thing)

[@lukelee7967]

Just some tiki torches? Jake, I see Sargon there hanging out with you. Will you please remind him that those people with tiki torches, assaulted a bunch of people and even fucking murdered somebody...... Oh, that's a trash can with a picture of Sargon on it. Nevermind, but I guess, if it looks like a Sargon, and acts exactly like a Sargon..... I should have known it was just a trash can.

[@allengilbert7463]

My take on theory is that it's useful in organizing your thoughts and making better arguments, but you shouldn't be beholden to any one aspect or the entire thing.

[@philipfrisk805]

Yes, one should hold one's thoughts critically.

[@osmosis321]

I especially love his age-mullet: "Just For Men" on top, Lemon Party down below.

[@__Andrew]

So the unmarked federal troops are gone now, and the court house is still standing.... hmmm

[@TasTheWatcher]

_"There is no strong nationalism. There is a strong anti-nationalist movement"_ *WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY ARE OPPOSING, CARL?*

[@Holden.Tudiks]

"In what way does the military have political influence?" Says the man who wore the death mask of an historical military and political leader

[@wagrhodes13]

Sargon should debate Aron on this topic.

[@mazazon]

I think that'd be a short debate. Aron doesn't have much patience for willful ignorance and misrepresentation of ideas.

[@wagrhodes13]

@@mazazon you're probably right. I'd still like to see that brief interaction, though.

[@jdprettynails]

Dunking on Sargon gives me life.

[@amyarchie3439]

A woman died in Charlottesville because of those people with tiki torches.

[@WindowsXPFrog]

“The welsh are weird” hey ☹️ 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@Poisonfrogg]

Where are more videos like this. This is the type of political advocacy and enlightenment that we need in this world. It's great that it is said here, and there are conversations happening, but it is sad if these ideas, and conversations are left behind in a 4 year old video. That to get the benefit is purely through accidents of circumstance, that is not how humans work and progress. We need more standing on the shoulders of giants in this area...

[@theloganpresley]

Does Sargon even live in the U.S. at all? Does he even visit?

[@aurockscastillo5460]

He lives in England.

[@dmanzawsome]

"I prove the corperations are not protected because they are only portected when they agree with the power... but they do and thats the whole fucking point

[@vxicepickxv]

He's so bad faith while he's JAQing off it's painful.

[@courtneyvaldez7903]

That plaque from the Holocaust Museum is thankfully (for Carl) ONLY a single Sargon long. Still managed to lack all reading comprehension and fail in his critical analysis.

[@MoltandMigrate]

"the fascism coming out of the left" I think Carl needs to retire his political career.

[@blackknightjack3850]

I wouldn't say so. He knows that political illiteracy particularly regarding fascism is exactly what his conservative base wants to see.

[@CorndogMaker]

As sargon is saying "America isn't fascist at all" overlay video of cops beating journalists and cracking skulls.

[@mistorWhiskers]

The US isn't fascist, cause if the US is fascist then I'm fascist. That's you Carol, I mean Carl.

[@julsdemers4740]

as someone who nearly got hit by a car due to cars parked on the street obstructing my vision, i'd argue the 'no cars in the street' thing aint all that bad....

[@lordhogwash8393]

“In what way does the military have any political power in the US?” ....Wh...What? No no no no no you aren’t that stupid dude.

[@jjgdenisrobert]

We red hats marching in the streets....

[@DemonjustinofPhoenix]

The funny thing about the disdain for news outlets is that the only reason news outlets have any real purpose behind a bad reputation is establishment bias and the sensationalism that prevents people from taking things properly seriously. Problems that largely exist due to our current system, and more specifically, capitalism. Take out the need for money, you take out the need for clicks, which takes out the need to sensationalize. Cross that with a population who has more time to actually fact check and research points of interest/contention and you can actually see things like news as the positive it's supposed to be. It's only if you're entirely pessimistic about it's nature do you see news media as a problem due to it's challenging of norms being seen as out of touch or sensationalist.

[@E_Ten]

And there are incentives in capatlism to treat labor well.... When labor is in low supply or high demand. A lack of a labor union can indicate that the type of labor does not need collective bargaining power. That the individual is treated well enough to take on the specialized work. Having a labor union should not be a minimum requirement as in many cases it can have disadvantages to those that are part of the union.

[@Grace-tg4oy]

"America is not sexist." Says cis man from a different Continent.

[@Psychotol]

The UK will probably be a US territory shortly into 2021 thanks to Beaviss negotiating strategy of cracking one off into the EUs coffee.

[@leerass]

There were violent protests, bombings and murder attempts on Hitler during the Nazi reign....so does that mean Germany was not fascist and actually had to fear the anti-fascists in Sargon’s “logic”.

[@carter6456]

I REMEMBER THAT CHICK TRACT! Oh god, it was so awkward. Mind you I did very much laugh, but that was because of how stupid Sargon was. I forgot about that shit

[@philipfrisk805]

I saw one where he was trying to sweet talk ShoeOnHead.

[@TheSightOfTheStars]

Ha, God, Sargon doesn't understand the first thing about labor rights in the US, or the decades of eroding the power of unions, anti-union activity from multibillion dollar corporations, and "right to work" states. 🤦‍♀️

[@posterboy0007]

Oh he isn't playing....

[@Ulfednar]

In a world full of easy to access books, articles and wikipedia pages, Carl chooses to rely on "what does X mean?". Google it, dawg! Lists aren't meant to be exhaustive descriptions, they're shorthand. If you don't understand what it means, look it up.

[@philipfrisk805]

Obfuscating all the way is Karlgon's style. It's all ego and will.

[@lizabethhampton4537]

I can't believe I used to watch his content.

[@chasingepiphanies7993]

Would only disagree with the bit on theory. We should be aware that it's not perfect gospel, but that's no reason to dismiss it either. Not everyone needs to be an expert, but for the sake of making our advocacy efficient we should still have some experts who can distill the main points and educate the rest.

[@dmanzawsome]

25:38 Knee deep in Sargon of Ak'Cod liver oil!

[@oofley8346]

Isn't tiktok a major privacy concern? Or am I wrong?

[@PlatinumAltaria]

You are, in fact, wrong. Sorry. TikTok is only a threat in the sense that it has outcompeted similar American products.

[@raz1572]

@@PlatinumAltaria as a counter argument, it is but so are other, similar apps

[@verager2493]

The thing about independant artists is fine, tho? They own their own means of production, and use it to benefit themselves. And if they work with someone on a contracting basis? Two people who own their means of production (like a performer contacting an editor to help shit out for them) agree on a deal and one pays the other for their work. The problem is when one side has authority over the other and exploits them. I'll admit there's a problem with philodaddies on the left, and some of that shit's pretty dense, but theory is pretty useful for the information in the books. It's just more "right things" you can claim. Or leave aside and/or challenge if it isn't panning out. If you just don't feel like it, cool. But there's a lot of value in what's there. At worst, new information doesn't hurt you. Hell, I tried to get through Atlas Shrugged, and mostly learned that Ayn Rand isn't a very entertaining author.

[@GingerbreadFetus]

I think it's worth saying to Trump supporters... If they delay the election, Trump doesn't get to be President past January. His term expires and the speaker of the house becomes President until the election can be held... At least as far as I've heard.

[@Black_pearl_adrift]

25:08 Is the best part btw

[@huntre111]

Oh that comment about breaking into government buildings has not aged well...

[@ClairisHolm95]

Do you disavow the violence?

[@nocash3055]

Yeah, fascists have to play dumb right now because we're not supposed to have noticed yet, due to the unfaltering genius of the pasty-faced white boy's Master Plan. Carl is basically the cartoon dog desperately swapping all the road signs around before anyone realizes what's up.

[@mostfactualartificial8228]

You should stream forever

[@unhackerthelaziestbastardo6083]

Sargon playing dumb is even better when you realise that a lot of British history curriculum is about Nazi Germany! Like, in heavy detail as well about the warning signs and how Hitler consolidated power. If he wasn't playing dumb, then you'd think he might be able to put two and two together and go "maybe, just maybe, they might be on to something", but he is playing dumb so he isn't saying shit.

[@cr1mssy491]

6:53 Omg He was awful at it. Completely just dull and didn't even bother trying really.

[@dylanstratford7385]

Sargon is still defending Trump? I honestly have no idea how any rational person can defend Trump at this point.

[@blackknightjack3850]

Trump is a massive sunken cost for him at this point.

[@blahblahghost]

Even with you destroying these people...I just cant watch these videos. I hate listening to people like Carl or Shapiro so fucking much that even in this context I cant watch a full video. Sorry Jake. Good work but god damn...

[@macrussell78]

Why does Sargon have such a hard on for American politics. I know the dude doesn't have the balls to move here cause reality would utterly buttfuck his political delusions.

[@deasphodel3700]

it's really weird how 10% of the workforce having unions is loads but 10% of americans being trans is such a small amount. It's almost like carl has some double standards

[@SoFarSoGoodSoWhat14]

"I assume he can read" well you assume wrong bucko

[@pronounsinmybio]

I saw a foot! SPM!

[@philipfrisk805]

Is Karlgon a gamer of renown?

[@Zarboned]

Spain was also fascist until well after the war, they were just neutral.

[@Thunderwolf666]

Are you Paymoneywubby's leftie brother?

[@E_Ten]

Regarding your questions at 34:50, the answer is there is not an incentive to speak of the president positively because hate sells. Conflict sells. Being called out by Trump sells. "Because they have journalistic integrity" 😂 I have first hand experience fact checking their idiotic game of telephone. These people will not ask for comment by the involved parties and instead push a narrative based on opinions that sound like they came straight from Buzzfeed or Vox. Nick Sandmann is a great example of their failures as journalists, and it happens all the time. Especially when it comes to Trump. Because contraversy sells, objectivity doesn't.

[@VinceGwhite]

"no theory can prepare you for the information age" no...buddy. No. Maybe try reading some?

[@SeanWinters]

Who are you

[@idsbraam]

Sargon is trying to debate that the US isn't fascist by just saying the warning signs of fascism are not actually fascism. Which is ... pretty silly, and a totally different discussion. Anyway, most of his takes are simply 'ah, you are against capitalism, but you use a computer, gotcha I am very intelligent'

[@WaddyMuters]

Sargon is one of my favorite lolcows

[@SublimeSynth]

Hey man, some Brians aren't weirdos like that. Just saying.

[@marocat4749]

So he thinks the stuff regarding lgbt stuf in poland isnt bad, because he is a presumely white dude not there, and russia, and a lot neart countries. If it doesnt affect him and he doesnt feel it, it doesnt exist, sure everything he doesnt pretend exist, doesnt exist, he is the one creating the entire existence we know, he is haruhi suzumiya(an anime school girl being a god?! creating unconcious reality) appearently. i he says it, it doent exist, sure.

[@Ireallywouldrathernot]

Hey don't shit talk philosophy because some people are arseholes. I'm not having that. And there's plenty of relevant ideas in theory. But I do agree that not eveyone needs to or should be expected to read theory. Most people are not going to read theory. Some will, and ideally enough will that the relevant stuff will make it's way to public discourse, but yeah, theory is not the only nor the most important part.

[@ianwells5414]

Jake's hot takes are kind of all over the place. Would like to see him talk to Vaush about some of this stuff.

[@emilyhank1099]

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[@ROSALIEIK]

mmm..... nope why 20k people sub this improve ur content pls less intelectual dishonesty better tearign apart of people u dont agree wiht this is low quality content. just a vid of a guy playingdumb for 1 hour streight wtf... any sugestions for better political youtubers any1?