SARMs: The Disturbing Rise of 'Legal Steroids'

[@brettjosh]

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[@DrMatthewHudson]

We have come up with many things better than anabolic steroids. SARMs are old news

[@jeffmorabito10]

Sarms are garbage and I push against them.

[@DrMatthewHudson]

@@jeffmorabito10 very insightful and scientific

[@0vi0lat0r0]

Ok, so which sarm is "safe" then in comparison to the "old" stuff....? Just saying "it's just bad" isn't really working... because i think it's bullsh1tzu

[@thechef6417]

Your videos are journalism at its finest, thank you

[@MarioTomicOfficial]

Honored to be a part of this video! Stay natty folks. Your 80 year old self will thank you

[@steelmongoose4956]

You don’t sell shortcuts.

[@CheekClapper69420]

Mario is great! My 80y old natty self still be vigorously smashing that like button bro

[@bigpicturegains]

Sadly many don’t want to make it to 80. They have the belief that you are crippled and have a terrible sorry life quality in older age. People underestimate how gracefully you can age if you take care of yourself. Ironically it’s the ones abusing their bodies today that will be having all kinds of crippling trouble in the future.

[@YouTubeChillZone]

@@bigpicturegains Taking something doesn't mean you're abusing your body, there's such a thing as moderation and in addition, you can always use medical care to monitor your health on an ongoing basis and make adjustments if necessary. Those who have problems in old age simply did not care about their health or ignored red flags

[@bigpicturegains]

@@KZbinChillZone It is self abuse. Unless there is some true medical reason for taking something, you are throwing off your bodies homeostasis into an abnormal state for simple quick vanity & strength gains. Nothing good comes of that from a health and longevity standpoint.

[@gregdoucette]

Great video. Id like to add that the fake natties like the rock chris hemsworth liar king mike ohearn make it worse as it gives people false expectations on what you can achieve naturally, and so when people train and don’t get even 1/10 of the progress, the assume that they have to use steroids because they’re chasing physique that simply not realistic.

[@meancat6558]

after 6 months of eating liver i dont look like liar king 😡

[@YouTubeChillZone]

I'm tired of this discussion : A Legalize everything B Ban everything What we have now is idiocy pretending there is no problem at the same time, some people promote this lifestyle, while others block and discriminate.

[@zeppkfw]

@@KZbinChillZone The problem is when you lie about taking peds

[@toofast75]

I could understand the reason why the rock and Chris Hemsworth don't want to admit to it. They have tons of young impressionable fans who would follow anything they say so if they admit to it, they would be influencing these young fans to take them. Even if they say please don't take them as I do, that would be hypocritical of them. I can see both sides, it's a tough situation

[@skrtskrrrttt8940]

Greg if i am still a virgin at 26 years old should i still not take SARMS? I have been considering it for months now but don’t want to cause a lot of long term damage

[@leighsimmons2663]

The sad part of this is that earning gains through discipline and hard work becomes an avenue that helps you in every walk of life. Those lessons I learned denying myself cheap pleasures, sticking to a routine, pushing myself: they have all helped when it comes to working hard, studying, not drinking too much, time management, stress management, long-term financial planning. All of these skills were developed through and alongside working hard in the gym and sticking to a balanced diet. SARMS and the appetite for a quick fix will never develop that.

[@W4veMan]

Wonderfully said👏👏

[@pipsapossu1699]

i agree mostly, but i must admit that going to the gym feels wonderful instead of hard work as you put it.

[@BallsofSteel569]

100%, well said.

[@jackblades90]

wrong

[@RS-xq6je]

Amen

[@GVS]

I know this is a serious topic but the term "SARMs Goblin" makes me chuckle every single time I hear it

[@Plague_Voltage]

Thank you for all the great content you put out as well!

[@YouTubeChillZone]

This most accurately summarizes the whole procedure 🐵

[@sleepyjo9340]

That and broccoli heads

[@PeterHitchmanYT]

Goblin is clearly the word in vogue. In the UK the word of the year is two words "Goblin Mode". Since it means to be lazy and self-indulgent it does in a way relate to SARMs use

[@Zoranurai13]

Funny thing is that it’s so true

[@shockwaverules1]

Josh puts out so little content, yet he’s already made a name for himself amongst the reputable gymtubers

[@mohamedbelbaali659]

quality ­­­over quantity

[@mpclepto182]

@@mohamedbelbaali659 Just like working out and health!

[@YouTubeChillZone]

Quality over quantity

[@spilledcoffee383]

He's like the lemmino of fitness

[@gregdoucette]

The work that goes into making a video like this makes it impossible to put out a lot of videos to take so many clips from so many KZbinrs, and put it into one video is way more work than anyone can imagine

[@christophermonson3214]

I think it's very important to spread this message. Most young people have no idea what they are getting into. The market is saturated and not with the correct information. Thank you for trying to spread the word.

[@BackGuy]

Absolutely love that you take so long to edit these. It clearly pays off with the quality

[@antony6913]

Hey Backguy 😎 bbback bbaack guy..

[@yyxy.oncesaid]

Helth....right

[@1notdeadyet1]

"I don't want to make it on borrowed strength" was, is, and always will be my motto when it comes to PEDs. I never understood the desire to have everything quick and easy, Nothing in life worth doing is easy. No pain, no glory.

[@gregdoucette]

Its such a normal human traight to want things the easy way

[@GratefulNPC]

Tf is Greg doing in the reply section lmao

[@FitLabb]

“Nothing in life worth doing is ever easy” are some of the truest words I’ve ever heard. Putting in consistent hard & smart work to achieve your goals & knowing you truly earned it on your own merits without taking any short cuts or getting any outside help provides such a feeling of satisfaction that you don’t get from the alternative route.

[@DrAlchem01]

@@GratefulNPC yeah I did a double take and had to check the tick 😂 I like it though, pleasant surprise

[@jordonpollock1550]

@@gregdoucette 5 months into my natty journey at 22yrs old and have been fairly consistent (with my fair share of rest/cheat days) and the results are awesome. My sleep is shit and my diet is average (ectomorph so I luckily get away with it), I have a lot of optimization to do yet I'm happy with where I'm at. Sad a lot of my fellow Gen Z's cant slow down for their own good!

[@DuchessDelphine]

As a 40+ year old woman that started fitness in my thirties and MIGHTILY struggling to put on muscle mass naturally, I have considered getting “help”.. thank you for making this videos to make me stay the natty course

[@tonymontana6734]

Why do I want muscle as a woman it’s disgusting just her lean and fit

[@thomashuggins8581]

Don’t

[@HiNationItsMe]

Stay strong beautiful

[@nerychristian]

Take ashwaganda pills. Helps body produce lean muscle

[@darenYT1]

Take them. Ostarine makes you noticeably stronger in 2 weeks.

[@andrewkoehler4541]

I took SARMS and put on great lean muscle mass with no body fat........4 days after i finished my drops my liver messed up really bad. I turned yellow all over, I became fatigued, my vision became blurred, constant reflux, and extremely itchy. Everyone thought I was going to die. It took a long time to recover. DO NOT TAKE SARMS - just work harder.

[@Steven-vh6fg]

Dafk

[@revan552]

If you'd been smart and run NAC and other PCT/OCT during your cycle you wouldn't have had that issue. You using them incorrectly isn't the SARM's fault. Edit: Also, based on that side-effect profile, they probably weren't SARMs at all. Probably pro-hormones marketed as SARMs by a sh*t/shady company. Less your fault than the above, but still partly your own fault.

[@andrewkoehler4541]

@@revan552 I assume you are right, but I'm definitely not going to test your theory. To quote the liver specialist, "you can't have effects without side effects ."

[@revan552]

@Andrew Koehler Yeah, you can have the effects without "most" of the side effects if you actually do it properly. It's no different than someone saying lifting is bad for you because they used sh*t form and hurt themselves. Doing it right negates most if not all of the risk. In any case, they're called "side" effects for a reason. They're off to the side. They don't matter. 🤣

[@revan552]

@@andrewkoehler4541 Also, it's it's not a "theory" (meaning "hypothesis" in this context) it's biology and chemistry.

[@mpclepto182]

Josh, your understanding of the industry at 15 was me at 30 before I found your channel. You keep making these high quality videos and I'll keep learning, it's as simple as that. Thank you for all the hard work.

[@seanpaul1551]

We definitely live in the microwave era where a lot of us seem to want instant gratification. It's ashame because as an older adult, I realized that the lesson most times is in the journey and not necessarily reaching the destination.

[@MeltWithU]

I keep thinking that those who grew up with high speed Internet are those most likely to be and fall susceptible to instant gratification. as opposed to those who grew into it from the days of slow dial up. It started with downloading music, and once someone could download a song in a couple seconds, then it was video, where eventually you could do the same. Instant messaging and so forth. So it’s no wonder that people are so impatient these days. Because if something isn’t instant, they throw a fit. Thinking the entire world operates like the Internet. It’s really concerning, because so many people seemingly never slow down enough to smell the roses. This also may be a big reason why there is so much anxiety and depression, not to mention misdiagnosed ADD or ADHD. Something that existed back in the 80s and 90s, but in a much lesser way, and for whatever reason skyrocketed in the 2000s. Making me believe that the two are connected. Not to mention all of the garbage chemicals they are putting in food these days. Barely any nutrition at all, replaced by chemicals that are proven to damage cells in our body. Every other country in the world has banned these chemicals from being put in their food… With the USA being one of the few that hasn’t. Seemingly, it seems like this is only going to get worse unless something happens to make people take a hard look at how they are currently existing and living through their devices, as opposed to taking in the world around them and loving thy neighbor. We can only hope that change happens sooner than later.

[@JohnDoe-gu7ym]

True. I'm 29, I went through a stage in life where I wanted everything overnight. I was pushing white ❄️ and doing other things. After I was arrested, I started from nothing but the first thing I did was to build a new foundation within myself. I remember gaining alot of fat that made my muscles hide away 😂. Instead of crying about it, I figured it was a perfect opportunity to appear as if I went from fat to swole even though I had 7 yrs of gains on me under the fat. Normal people who don't lift don't understand that the muscles never disappear which is how transformation videos seem insane. Most of them are lying about the time frame and the time they've been training. Only a experienced lifter could tell I had gains. The point is that because people see these things they fall for the overnight trap as I did. Good sleep+ strenght+conditioning+muscle and I became a different person even my face changed drastically. I went into logistics and created a stable wealth the cops cannot take from me. No overnight dreams but to be fair I did in 2 years what I couldn't in 10 before. Focus can push you up fast while not focusing on that at all.

[@AndyML3883]

@@MeltWithU Great point. Something many should read.

[@janitortech3264]

Absalutly

[@edwardlomeli5657]

@@MeltWithUwas because back on the day things were instant. You got a job and you could pretty much afford a house already. Nowadays you need tk put in your time and work your way up in which entry level jobs require 3+ years of experience Things were quicker and easier back then and the old generations rubs it in our face we won’t wait when they didn’t

[@peterkempf5422]

Thanks again Josh for another insightful look at the, "fitness influencer industry". It's sad to think about the depth people will sink to for fame and fortune. We need voices like yours to hopefully reach some of these kids before they harm themselves.

[@SuperNiels91]

And Josh comes in with another banger. It's awesome to see you shout out naturals like Geoffrey in that last part, although Natural Hypertrophy is sorely missing from the selection. He may have an extreme view but his perspective is definitely needed in the natural lifting community.

[@saltycapers]

I did a cycle of sarms at 28 for 3 months. Got insanely chiseled and strong but my lower back and tendons were always in pain, I also had a ton of headaches. About 2 weeks after I got off of them my retina detached and I had to go see an optometrist. I was pretty ripped though

[@Mr_Clean]

Gotta confuse the retina's, right babe

[@henrystone2885]

The retina; a small price to pay for the gains!

[@colinclement2752]

My pee-pee fell off

[@bradleywelch9290]

So sorry u have to put up with these evil people making fun of you doing a good thing and putting your story out there to hopefully save others the same pain by reading it. Praying you pull through, GOD bless u and much love. ❤

[@TheCuttyBrown]

Where u get em from bro??

[@Tackletuesdayfishing]

I remember having a “Sarm stack” sold to me when I just starting weight lifting. Later the military banned it and I learned about the negative effects.

[@zmk5374]

I've been writing ads for over a decade. I've worked for brands like Ford, Coca-Cola, Nestle, P&G...bla bla. Your quality of work is astounding. The writing, pacing, editing, iconography, design, narration, stock footage selection...etc. are all impeccable. You're a teenager that puts our current senior visual developer to shame. Well done my man. Absolutely well done.

[@FitLabb]

There are no short cuts in life that are ever worth taking, & that’s especially true with fitness. There’s no replacement for putting in consistent hard work & getting educated on how to do things the right way. 💪

[@namelessfacelessyoutuber6017]

What about the people who are old and put in the time and effort but have acquired injuries ? Sarms and peds help rewind the clock to 10 - 20 years earlier !

[@mpclepto182]

@@namelessfacelessyoutuber6017 "Maybe there's more to life than being really, really, really ridiculously good looking?" Why rewind the clock if it comes at the cost of dependency and your future?

[@YouTubeChillZone]

@@mpclepto182 One injection a week is a small price to pay for the health of a twenty-year-old

[@mpclepto182]

@@KZbinChillZone If only 1 injection a week was the true cost. This isn't pascal's wager though, there is the hope of a small upside with the infinite possibility of downsides. At 80, maybe the "health of a 20 year old" doesn't actually look that different than the health of an 80 year old. Heck, my buddy's grandma was 93 and still rode her bike for 100 mile rides. Not as fast as when she was 20, but faster than all the other 93 year olds and many 20 year olds too.

[@pablov1323]

@@namelessfacelessyoutuber6017 if your issues with training are due to nagging injuries peds will do nothing to help because in fact is much easier to get injured working out on PEDs that without them... and more than rewinding 10-20 years, peds will rater fast forward these years to your grave...

[@richardfarago5425]

Derek yelling micropenises caught me off guard

[@DeRockMedia]

for real...small nuts i could handle, microP.....no thank you

[@drinkinouttacups2665]

Gotta confuse the coochie right babe

[@sturla7962]

Do you really think your penis will shrink into micropenis?? Give me a break

[@rz5b1qszkdf44]

@@DeRockMedia all small if you suffer from Klinefelter Syndrome

[@ak74srthebest0909]

Micro penis isn't a side effect, that edit was misleading

[@KP-bk8ne]

It’s so easy to just not use it. I got on sarms at 17 to 21. I experienced amazing gains, and felt incredible. I think the only side effect was start of gyno during a rad 140 and yk11 cycle. I stopped this cycle immediately and started a pct. I felt like an absolute god during the cycles and hated coming off. I did 8 weeks on 8 weeks off. After realizing these compounds were dangerous I stopped and haven’t touched them since. This is where the biggest issues came in. I was obsessed with the gym and loved it while I was on it. Now the gym is a chore. I have completely plateaued due to being close to my natural potential. I still workout 6 days a week and probably every 3 days the devil on my shoulder tells me to do another cycle. Develop a natural love of the gym and keep it sustainable. No matter what you read sarms are not sustainable long term!

[@MrRhinoBeatle]

The stronger you get the more total load you are putting on your body The central nervous is also part of it and no amount of anabolics will change that. So change the training style and add more rest days and see if you break through the barrier. More tonnage= needs more recovery.

[@p1xelshooter287]

give me ur cycle i will do it anyways help me do it safer

[@toooooooooooooooooooooooooooom]

​@@p1xelshooter287 lol average 14 year old

[@JohMartin37]

100

[@yyxy.oncesaid]

Just use a tiny amount

[@TheWolfeDen]

I revisited your channel the other day and was afraid that you'd stopped making videos. What a treat this is!

[@whiteraven9544]

Thank you for addressing this topic. People really should understand that being fit does not necessarily mean you are healthy.

[@lu5445]

More like looking fit =\= being fit.

[@PhilMacrackin-wj7bg]

Being fit is being able to run 10 miles

[@IzzoWingChun]

Never started anything until I turned 40. Best decision I ever made. Do the foundational work first. It takes YEARS.

[@ignaciorobles8967]

Amazing video! It was just what I needed. I was thinking of maybe give it a shot but after watching the video I guess you're right. No shortcuts and just grind!! Thank you very much.

[@scottvasnik]

I’m really hoping one day people will pivot to seeing how far they can go being 100% natural. I would love to be bigger and leaner but I take a lot of pride knowing that all the gains I’ve made are completely mine. Thank you for helping spread awareness!

[@namelessfacelessyoutuber6017]

You don't go that far ! After you hit 40 you start losing your gains as a natural ! If you want to continue to make gains after 40 you will have to start to consider taking something !

[@YouTubeChillZone]

The only chance that will happen is to outlaw bodybuilding altogether. I take steroids myself but I don't see any other way than to ban showing the effects in public (internet, television and public screenings) When one sees what is possible to achieve, one does not think logically especially children

[@mikelovesbacon]

@@namelessfacelessyoutuber6017 Testosterone is a slow decline, you don't suddenly hit 40 and go backwards. Plenty of people start lifting in their 40s and make gains.

[@BuJammy]

@@namelessfacelessyoutuber6017 Not true at all.

[@BuJammy]

@@mikelovesbaconAgree, but Testosterone only really matters for muscle gains in more than physiological amounts. You can get big muscles with low test, as other factors matter more. This has been proven again and again.

[@hawaiianrussian1047]

You can 100% build a great physique naturally but it does take years and a key is cardio and putting a focus on compound lifts ( bench, dead’s and squats) . I’m 32 years old and I’ve been lifting since I was 19. My first 5-6 years I made gains but they would come and go. All I did for exercise was lifting weight about once a day 5-6 times a week. I made gains definitely but it wasn’t that much. Once I started skipping the gym twice a week for running miles instead I started dropping body fat and my gains started to show more.

[@bl4ckdr4gontv93]

Little anecdote from my side: When i was 17 i had a friend who loved going to gym like me, but he started taking steroids and hgh, he blew me away in any discipline and was super sad because i looked faaar worse then him. 4 years later i worked out consistent all natural, look very buff, more buff than him at his juicing times, while he got fat, has hair loss at 21 and his joints are destroyed to a point of no return, he couldnt walk for like a year because the where so inflamated Stay natural, its a far more rewarding way of living and has litterly no downsides

[@YouTubeChillZone]

What happened to him is not the fault of steroids, but the lack of knowledge about diet and training that's why it's so important not to take anything until you learn the basics. Your story should get many eyes open because 99% of people end up like this. Influencers are an exception because most of them have a trainer who already has knowledge, they only do what the trainer tells them and average teenager doesn't have the money for a coach.

[@deathkiller8]

Liar

[@СтаниславЦанков-и2з]

Your friend is stupid, thats why it happened like that

[@timothylanders3189]

BS!

[@orion9k]

I am natty too, lifting for 10 years now, but I see tons of people using enhancing stuff in the gym, even people +40 and they look healthy and they seem well balanced in their behaviour, so I woulnt worry too much about using things like anavar or trt, as long as people are educated about it and not trying to go from zero to 100 without knowing anything about lifting and cycles.

[@Helloyousilverdevil]

I was a gymrat all through highschool with the same exact stringbean body these kids have… and I bet if I could’ve gotten my hands on SARMs I would’ve too. 130lbs at 6’2”, my buddies who hit the gym with me gained muscle and strength 10x faster than me, and started with way more too- I literally started benching at the 45lb bar and worked up to 115lbs after 2 years. Anyone thinking a legal drug can help them catch up to their buddies or look ripped faster, it’s just common sense to a kid to try. This is straight up almost exploitation of undeveloped brains, the likes of in-game gambling mechanisms in kid’s videogames- and vapes. Like really hooking kids into “legal” ways to get them stuck on something terrible for them, and they don’t have the knowledge or impulse control to know better.

[@unsigned1138]

Hah! Are you me? Total gym rat in my 20’s. 6’2” 140 is the best I got. Ate 6000 calories a day, didn’t gain shit. 30’s we’re a bit better, 165lbs with 5k calories a day. 40’s are more sane. 4000 calories a day, 180lbs. Beer helps. Still lean as shit, will never be “swol” but I have endurance for real these days.

[@gaiseric9518]

They shouldn't be advertised on social media, but they should be legal. If they are not people will just be less transparent about their use and that is when people get hurt. Also they prevent people from going on more serious anabolics. Right now steroids are very much legal, even anabolics, but only for the rich. The rich can go doctor shopping until they find one who will prescribe them what they want. I think that's unfair to the general public.

[@jeffinphx517]

If you want to gain weight, get married.

[@dontmindme6965]

Yoo skinny 45lb bar starting package, same here, 6'2 could barely press the bar, and weight 170 skinny fat. I tried everything naturally, with diff workouts and eating a lot. I got up to 200lbs in my mid 20s by constantly eating but my strength sucked cause I was working out way to much. I'm 33 now, 205 without counting food or protein, I work out upper body 2x a week, one hard day, and a second medium day, and legs I lift one day, and plyo another day, I can standing very dunk at 205, I never thought I could bench 225, but I can for 3 reps lol. I know it ain't crazy, but I'm stoked. I think working out less helped my gains, and writing down my reps and sets.

[@vmb371]

"I don't wanna wait, I'm impatient, sooorryyyy😘🖕🏻" The 0.5kg tumor growing in her liver in 10 years: "Sooorryyyy🤷🏻‍♂️💀"

[@cashtonbriggs2135]

Love the video, Josh. The information is always top notch and you encourage the use of something that not a lot of people seem to have...common sense. Well done👍

[@doodlebob3758]

I worked at a GNc for about half a year. It wasnt uncommon to get a group of 5 or 6 hockey kids, middle school aged, genuinely asking if we carried SARMs. Thats on top of these 13-year olds already buying some high-grade preworkout.

[@Buildingthecraziestliving]

“High grade” ?

[@doodlebob3758]

@@Buildingthecraziestliving For a 13yr old, Woke AF and Bucked Up are insane (considering the latter has made military customers piss dirty for tests). This is coming from a reformed energy drink junkie. Then stack experimental TikTok chemicals in the mix. God help them.

[@rydgevilla8643]

Patience has always been a key factor for building muscle. Thank god I came across this video.

[@axeamaniac4490]

I'm not sure how I came across this video, but I subscribed to your channel because of it. As a new father I think it might be important to find all this stuff out so as much kid grows I can warn them properly of things like this. I grew up in a time without social media and now seeing the effects of social media and youth parents have to more than ever before be informed and have good communication with their kids. Thanks!

[@seranonable]

1:33 I'm impressed that you got the parrot from Aladdin to appear in this documentary!

[@Alfenium]

Lol

[@MrJabbothehut]

What so many people don't understand is that your body is a huge and delicate network of processes all linking to each other and all depending on each other to work. If you drastically alter one of these processes artificially then it will have knock on effects into other areas. It's impossible to have a change without side effects. The whole point of working out naturally is that you push yourself within the limit that your body can manage naturally. Anything more and it's not you. It's the drug using your body as a vessel.

[@boomzoom8864]

As a teenager heavily engaged in gym culture, I've been constantly tempted by different sketchy stuff. Thank God I was too suspicious about everything and watched dozens of videos and blogs before deciding on my training plan and nutrition. Luckily, the heaviest stuff I used to take was creatine :D

[@chriswestwood9083]

Same brotha, stay NATTY

[@connectedcalcat7558]

Wise moral choice. I see these high school kids at my local gym and their little group all blew up and are massive in a very short period. Now I see this video and read your comment , it confirms my assumption that they were taking the cheap and fake way to a nice looking physique. As a former wrestler and gym rat. I can tell you that all you need freaky is push-ups (100 day) dips (50) and pull ups (30-50) …then progress to pull-ups with towels. Also just hanging is really good. Lookup the “Hershel Walker Workout”

[@thebeastishere1]

​@ConnectedCALCat younger dudes can put on weight easy since their test levels are at a lifetime high. After wrestling in high school, I went from 120 to 165 in 10 months with no supplements. It's possible if the foundation is there

[@universalnetwork264]

Ecdysterone is a good way to put on muscle naturally too! No known side effects, naturally found in spinach. If you overdose you'll feel hot and dizzy for about an hour but that's about it from my experience. Doesn't negatively affect your HPTA axis and is even beneficial for your liver and cholesterol. Some natural drugs are almost side effect free and are highly effective, so that saying of a drug not having side effects being ineffective isn't always the case. Although there is no confirmed answer on the effectiveness of ecdysterone, many people report legit results, myself included. The strength gains for me were faster and better than using testosterone, the fat loss even better than testosterone.. The muscle gains? Not as good as testosterone but still it's a very effective supplement and boosts your mood and concentration a bit too. No androgenic effects either which can either be positive or negative depending on your goals. Muscle gains are faster than not using it. Motivation is slightly increased too. There needs to be more research done on it to see how it exactly works and if there are any long-term side effects of high doses of ecdysterone, which I'm nearly certain there could be but I doubt it's anything lethal or permanently life damaging. It does bind on to estrogen receptors in skeletal muscles while not increasing or releasing estrogen, it's an interesting mechanism of action. It supposedly boosts protein synthesis up to 60%. It's highly effective in insects and rats, meaning it's more likely than not to work on humans.

[@the_real_ch3]

Hey man here's a tip from a dude that's almost 40. Your teenage years are the closest you will ever get to being naturally on steroids. You don't need enhancement, you can train as hard you fucking want and recover like it was nothing. Just keep your stuff on track and you'll get results. Worry about "enhancement" when you hit the brick wall at 35

[@Rhyddid_tan]

Growing up, I was afraid that taking creatine was potentially dodgy territory... I really feel for this new generation being exposed to these highly questionable supplements.

[@Jazzjasey]

Scared of creatine😂😂😂lol... What next... Scared of fresh food

[@PapiDekari]

I tried SARMS, didn’t really get the results I wanted and made the decision to just stay natty from now on. I came to the conclusion lifting is a life long journey and there’s no need rush the process but just enjoy the journey.

[@beenhog6922]

You probably bought fake ones lol

[@danielporter5476]

You got bunk Sarms

[@useyourbrain6937]

​@@danielporter5476lay off the sarms young man

[@NuclearAnNoahlation]

Have not yet seen a sarm transformation that impressed me

[@Francklyynnnn]

But what if I just really like how Mexico is portrayed in Hollywood movies and I want to experience the same effect everywhere I go?

[@DeRockMedia]

growing up from movies...i just always assumed mexico looked yellow there lol

[@Francklyynnnn]

@@DeRockMedia maybe everyone is just on SARMs

[@RESCUEACEygo]

@@Francklyynnnn its s4 which gives the yellow tint i think

[@gabrielpassanisi9493]

i get excited every time a new video of yours comes out. keep spreading the good word of fitness!

[@seriously3130]

I have MS and I've done really well for 28 yrs. without using any meds at all except modafinil, but now at 60 it's really starting to hurt me. I was considering that SARMs crap. Thanks for this. I'm gonna pass and focus on diet and exercise 🙏🏻

[@bluesky6985]

Emeramide may help MS

[@seriously3130]

@@bluesky6985 Thank you friend, I'll look into it.🙏🏻

[@WrathOfGOD_Ruach7-]

Ostarine would actually help you Miraculously

[@bluesky6985]

@@seriously3130 Boyd Haley is the maker

[@sinclairj7492]

Being 60 you don’t have much to worry about, by the time something bad could happen you’re probably checked out anyway

[@lucios_7266]

Why would someone want to reach their goal of becoming jacked and shredded faster? Once you achieve it you want more and will never stop using PEDs until you die or else. There is never enough money, power or muscle. Pursueing and working towards a goal is what makes us happy, not reaching it.

[@GratefulNPC]

It's tough knowing that you can have the physice of you dreams in like 8 months of lifting, while you convince yourself you just popping "supplements" and probably won't have side effects. Combine that with the shallow emphasis on looks in teen/20s and I see why so many people my age do it.

[@ak74srthebest0909]

You won't get any physique in 8 months on sarms or anything else, they don't work like that. Still takes a long time. Plenty of ppl take tren and look like ass

[@Vidy4.]

The more I learn about steroids, the scarier they become. Good video as always Josh

[@dj007twk]

Exactly I know fifty class mates who dyed from them

[@ProfShibe]

@@dj007twk what color were they dyed into?

[@TestAccount0817]

@@ProfShibe ded

[@jakethemuss3]

Sarms aren't steroids, not even close. Sarms and steroids are fine as long as you do your research, don't abuse them, and follow the proper protocol. They become a problem with people who have no idea what they're doing take them and get all screwed up.

[@holstatt6896]

​@@jakethemuss3using anabolic steroids for muscle growth and competitive advantage is categorically abuse, according to the greater medical community, because there is no safe way to do it.

[@VERBmusic89]

These things f’d up my hormones. I had no idea they they required cycles. I went through depression and the worst back acne I could have ever imagined. I had to get on accutane for 6 months to clear it up. I was 28. It was one of the MK ones

[@decabeatzHealthWellness]

Real MK-677 is a GH secretagogue. It tells your pituitary gland to produce more growth hormone. What you are describing is something else like a SARM. MK-677 is not a SARM. your mk-677 was fake it was probably a SARM.

[@RustyShackleford66]

The crazy thing is, the more successful these drugs are, the less they actually mean. If everyone could walk around shredded with little effort and a pill a day, it wouldn't even be impressive/desirable etc, you'd be just like everybody else. Like tattoos that were once quite rare, now every man and his dog has them to the point where you are actually more unique and individual in not having them.

[@BoneJangle]

This video was so well made I’m genuinely impressed with this man. Earned my subscription.

[@truthbetold6496]

I took Rad140 from strats labs, it gave me the worse stomach pain ever, along with enclo, the liquid solution is hell, also MK677 technically not a sarm but a GH secretagogue will give you the worse side effects ever, sarms are worse than steroids.

[@awemanyfit]

Sorry bro

[@maenad1231]

You always have the highest quality educational content on these topics.

[@ssoffshore5111]

I've noticed my local gym has become flooded with

[@bri-manhunter2654]

I’ve seen it in my gym too. It’s so obvious with the gains they make in such a short period of time.

[@Darkshine369]

Same here. High schooler and college kids all jacked

[@sepg5084]

Teenagers have been doing crazy crap on their bodies since time immemorial: weed, extacy, cigarrettes, alcohol, cocaine, etc. without care for their health and with basically zero positive effects. This is just another one of them, so i'm not surprised why it's on the rise because this one at least have some positive effects despite the "may cause X" drawbacks.

[@ssoffshore5111]

@@sepg5084 We were all young and naive at some point. Most of them will learn and understand in time.

[@acethirsk9281]

@@bri-manhunter2654do you think most high school guys are jacked now? This will just raise standards and competition and make things a lot worse. It will lead to even more body dysmorphia and image issues. If everyone gets jacked that will push people especially young men to go to even more extremes.

[@paulgermano7837]

It's scary to think how sarms can be casually talked about in many conversations related to weight lifting these days.

[@PPEcon]

Glad to see Mario and Igor getting their flowers. Both guys are OGs in the fitness space and deserve much more recognition

[@FitSam_SANGUEDIGHISA]

Everybody wants superhero physique, nobody wants superhero fatigue

[@mikehenry5150]

Hard work and dedication is what you need, if your having trouble putting on mass, or can't get passed the goal you set don't take short cuts, reevaluate yourself and move forward. Don't compare yourself to others. Stay clean and it will work out for you, when your old and playing with your grandchildren, remember this video saved your life.

[@Phoen1xChan]

I feel like what's wrong with a lot of the Fitness industry, is that people compare themselves to someone else. Focus on yourself, just you. Close your ears to your friends if they say you look small, it's a process that can take a lifetime.

[@idontcare9041]

You're right but it's normal to compare yourself. For me it was just this bit of unhappiness from seeing steroid-bodies everywhere that eventually contributed to me stop going to the gym. I think that's just part of working out naturally

[@greenpigking6974]

Sarms started to get pretty popular when I got into lifting. A lot of guys would ask my gym partner if he was on them. Once I got a little size and strength they started to ask my friends about me as well. Of all the people who did them only two actually had results. The others looked no different than me after 6-8 months of natural lifting. I was stronger than some of the guys too. Returning to my gym after a few years at college and seeing kids talk about sarms worries me. I feel like it’s way more popular now and almost everybody who lifted back in my graduating class used them.

[@larrytate1657]

Not sure about sarms but I’ve seen guys in my gym who I knew go a real steroid cycle and their strength went through the roof. One was a workout partner of mine for around 6 months. Im natural got to 335 orm on bench training for a orm for a few months after years of bb jist going to 275 for 8 to 10 reps. I got 335 for a couple. He was natty at the time lifting with me and he was plateaud at 315 for those few months. He would get 315 for orm. Then he’d put a 5 on and try 325 and just miss it and need a spot. Fast foward a year later. He got on juice. He was benching 405 on an incline for 7 to 10. He was putting up 495 on flat. He was freaking doing 315 on military seated shoulder press for reps now lmao. So maybe not sarms but full on steroids def make a drastic difference, I guess hence why they’re illegal in sports. But not worth the possible consequences imo. Years later idk what happened with him as I haven’t seen in him in the gym in yrs now but I’m still in the gym natural still lifting, still look and feel rly good and people have thought I juice natty 19.5 inch arms at 40.

[@rebel4466]

It's not the SARMS that aren't working, it's the people. Can't take stuff and expect it to do the work for you. Discipline isn't available in syringes yet. A goal always looks good, the way there doesn't necessarily

[@greenpigking6974]

@@larrytate1657 he was probably on one hell of a cycle. Sarms are pretty hit or miss I believe. A lot of them lie about the contents and its hard to find a reputable place to get them. It’s hard to know how many people really are on them but I knew of a lot of guys who saw it as the safe way to get jacked. Most of them made little or no progress because they didn’t know what they were doing or didn’t have the right shit I guess. Only one guy really knew how to train and he became massive and strong af. His gym partner was lazy and still made decent strength gains. Guy that got jacked was really open about it and talked about yellow vision, quarter sized acne which he showed us, and mood swings which we also witnessed first hand. sarms are no joke and potentially a lot more dangerous especially considering younger guys use them with no knowledge and in the middle of puberty. FDA should have put a stop to the nonsense years ago.

[@ryanbeatbox]

It's because most people who take SARMs have little to no knowledge of PEDs and steroids to begin with, or even their own body. Most don't even get bloods checked, understand what it even does to their body. They just blindly take it and expect it to handle everything for them, when in reality it doesn't work like that. Most will take insane cycles and never factor in sleep, rehabilitation, diet and exercise periodization. Steroids and PEDs aren't magic pills, they will help by far, extremely but you still need to put in the work of dieting and properly exercising around them. They make it a lot easier though when you follow those principles. I just feel like most people aren't knowledgeable at all, so they dive into the world of PEDs and get bigger but don't actually get the benefit vs the damage they put on their body. I really feel like unless you are competing in something like Mr. Olympia, professional sports or acting where your image representation is your financial stability, then you have no business even thinking about PEDs or steroids. Doctor prescribed TRT to help with naturally low testosterone are one thing, but it's a completely different ball game fucking up your body for no gain at all and definitely no financial return. Just do functional training, yoga and periodize exercise properly and eat clean and you won't be ridiculously huge but you'll at least feel great and have a decent set of muscle on you.

[@breauxdose]

They weren’t on sarms then

[@Justin-xs2yo]

Could you imagine if a heroine users addiction was deemed “ok” because they admitted it. Social media has seen people believe steroid use is ok if you admit it 🤦‍♂️ How did this become the moral high road 🤷🏼‍♂️ Crazy shit

[@temmuz9199]

Thanks very much for making this video 🙏🏼 more people need to be aware that there will be always a price to pay if you wanna get something. There's no, easy way out !

[@loukasvillarreal1988]

Same thing that happened with prohormones back in the day, most people do them unsafely

[@peterv1318]

I really liked PHs. But you definitely needed to do a good off cycle. They could be worse on side effects than the old school steroids.

[@mikec5400]

these social platforms need to be held accountable for what is posted on their platforms. Everyone think they are an expert and need to be heard nowadays. have peopel starting podcast and talking about nothing for an hour just to try and become an influence and not have to learn any real skills or work a real job

[@Everficient]

Great video, agree with it all. I myself contemplated taking sarms a few years ago when they were first hitting socials. Beyond grateful I never made that decision

[@CSAcrazy]

i did a cycle of rad 140 with no pct and had no negative symptoms at all. so yeah, although i believe its better to stay away from anything that has the potential for more harm than good i dont think the fear mongering that is behind the warnings against steroids and sarms is always accurate or warranted. like anything weigh the options and come to the conclusion of what you're willing to risk versus what you can gain. the only real refrain i would advocate is for people under 25 years old

[@mrthanos2404]

@@CSAcrazy For me, the fear mongering is justified. I have nothing against people taking steroids. But the main audience of these sarm and steroid advertisement are young people, they are the main audiences of Instagram, TikTok content creators who themselves are quite young. Yes some people may not have side effects, but many these people are basically shoving sarms down their throats while beckoning others to do the same. If you can do it responsibly, then sure, but a lot of people can’t.

[@CSAcrazy]

@@mrthanos2404 oh you’re one of those people that thinks you need to make decisions and control things to do what’s best for other people for them. I get it

[@elijahpicaro9581]

In my opinion, if you're not willing to wait and work for the thing you want, then you don't deserve it.

[@nekoill]

I seriously respect fitness influencers who admit to be on gear immeasurably more than the "AmMa nAtTy" clowns rocking like 5% fat and gaining crazy muscle mass while keeping losing weight. Like seriously, there's so much informative, motivating and just damn wholesome content from guys like Greg, Noel etc. that you can't help but feel someone actually cares about you.

[@sandtoast559]

Idk I feel like they're still glorified too much. Those guys (Derek, Greg, noel etc.) all give me 'do as I say not as I do' vibes. kids will see through that. I think the industry needs real natural fitness influencers to look up to if they're gonna be persuaded not to take the plunge

[@nekoill]

@@sandtoast559 of course it does, but there's even a greater need in people who say "guys who look like me and tell you they're natural are lying to you through their teeth to sell you shitty supplements that don't even work like supplements".

[@sandtoast559]

@nekoill And then all that does is tell the kid to say "well I guess I'll hop on what you're on then" and skip the bull balls testosterone booster and go to the real stuff. same result. All I'm saying is they see these transparent users who are still so respected and worshipped in the community, they're gonna roll the dice anyway.

[@nekoill]

@@sandtoast559 well in that case they would've even if the message was coming from a natty with respective changes, wouldn't they?

[@sepg5084]

​@@sandtoast559 freedom. They are free to do steroids, people are free to decide if they should too. "Glorification" is subjective, when i see juiced up youtubers/instagrammers it actually detracts me from PEDs because they look like freaks.

[@uzicoozie]

i was honestly debating taking SARMS because yes. IT SEEMS LIKE EVEN THE YOUNGEST TEENS ARNT NATURAL ANYMORE. But after watching I have chosen to continue my healthy path. SO just know you changed a life with this video...Thanks

[@SM-cq1mm]

I do not know anything about you, but, I beg of you my brother, to never ever go to the dark side, stay natural, you can be big, you can be lean, you can be strong, you can perform impressive athletic feats, you can improve your weak points, you do not need steroids at all. You can and you will look impressive, you just need to work harder and smarter, steroids is just the lazy man way of getting a respectable physique, it helps you skip all the crucial steps you need to learn. Do not be a mentally weak and lazy man, be better than that my brother, you know you can, now believe in yourself and look forward to what you will look like, how strong you will be, how fit you will be and how athletic you will be 10 years from now, yes it's a long time, but when you're 80, you will be thankful for spending so much time. Because the cure to old age is exercise. Stay natural, be better.

[@uzicoozie]

@@SM-cq1mm appreciate it ! Yeah I was in the middle of a bulk when I realized how normalized it became. I ofcourse have decided to stay natural in all ways. I take only creatine. Its just mentally tough when you have to watch people younger than you and im (21) outperform you by over 100lbs on everything. Seeing that it is so normal i will go against the grain and tough it out like i used to do before. Appreciate you comment ! I started a channel with my brother on all platforms. called @nolimitlifestyle you can see how small i am. being only 5'5" and 165llbs.

[@SM-cq1mm]

@@uzicoozie oh I understand that, but you also have to consider that, maybe these people have also additionally trained longer than you, how long have you been training for? I personally haven't trained for that long so for me, I can't quite compare myself to many avid gym goers my age because they were going for longer

[@SM-cq1mm]

@@uzicoozie if you are the one who I think you are if I did come across the right channel, then, you honestly aren't that small, 5'5 and 165lbs is pretty decent, you have a really nice physique, it's just that social media most likely distorted your perspective of what a good physique is. Do not think of yourself as small, you have made massive progress and you look quite big.

[@uzicoozie]

@@SM-cq1mm I appreciate that. I am about to upload a full video of my physique now and i am fat way fatter than i was. Its pretty crazy. I agree. I had/still have a problem with how little i seem. But not as much as before. My goal is to get to 170lb 12%BF and leaner when I feel like it.

[@AnalystManIssac]

I am blind, and have been getting back into weight, lifting, and strength training for like the past year. i’m not against people using supplements to help them in the gym. But I could never take lethal steroids. Whatever I gain I want to keep it and I don’t want it to go away simply because I stopped taking something.

[@deprived7042]

Great video Josh. Am a teenager myself and this video has absolutely cleared any ideas I had about taking SARMs originally. Personally, I do see myself taking these PEDs in the future, but only after training at least another 7-8 years as well as researching them before even touching them.

[@zeezoo6174]

Lol this guy is just frightening you.

[@ProfShibe]

Start with steroids and not random research chems no one knows anything about. Steroids have WAY more clinical data. Test is safer, better tolerated, literally bio-identical, you'll feel better, and on top of all that, you'll have *drastically* better gains. Protect your organs, especially the heart.

[@SM-cq1mm]

​@@zeezoo6174 nice joke

[@kevinnelle6208]

This is yet another reason to legalize steroids. My grandpa took steroids in the 70s, and he just celebrated his 95th. People aren’t even allowed to hear the truth about steroids.

[@decabeatzHealthWellness]

That's awesome congrats. Yea steroids at least can be used safely and can benefit lots of ppl.

[@aaroncatolico7550]

*I understand the whole, "LET'S STAY NATURAL!" concept, but the problem with this idea is that the older you get, the less your "natural" production of hormones begins to happen. You sound like a young dude in his 20's which makes sense to believe this way, but from years of experience, I can assure you that TRT can be absolutely necessary.*

[@CharlesJohnson1612]

Alot of the heart related issues regarding SARMs is because of the Estrogen crash that occurs with the heavier suppressing SARMs like RAD 140 , S23 , etc . Estrogen protects the heart.

[@randyschmidt19]

Estrogen crash? T follows E bud

[@Snekcneh12]

I’ve been training consistently for the last 2 years applying the basic principles of progressive overload, clean diet, good macro and micro nutrient breakdown and enough sleep. You’ll be amazed at what you can achieve in 2 years as a natural just putting in the work. Time is gonna pass anyway, no need to rush the process, stay natty, be disciplined and most of all, be patient!

[@Juicyshadowz]

The amount of 18 and 19 year young guys know having to go to trt is crazy due to sarms destroying their natural testosterone production

[@pruneface5736]

I have a weight gaining problem but for 15 years I resisted juicing, I gained the weight in the end naturally and by just trying and trying and doing the work to know my body..brothers don't poison yourself, learn your body and then apply..it's a double win in the end for mind and body

[@chinavirus4436]

Thanks for posting this video, back in the Marines (when sarms first came out) my buddy told me to buy them, they’ve been sitting in my old military bag for years, discovered them going through my old bags, and didn’t know if I should just take them or not. Been lifting for 16 years (started when I was 12, im 28 now) and a life time natty, will definitely be throwing them out.

[@PuppetMasterdaath144]

hahahahahahahahahahaahahhahaha

[@augustmann3021]

where di you buy i wanna have

[@Thebahamas187]

Good stuff buddy keep on pushing you will get it

[@banshee023]

While I wish you had more content, if it hurts the quality then I’ll take what I can get. Great work.

[@briandouglas8045]

It might be more helpful to make a list. Start with what they are...Ostarine (Enobosarm, MK2866, S22). Andarine (S4). LGD-4033 (Ligandrol). LGD-3033. TT-701. RAD140 (Testolone). S23.

[@Milliardo5]

When I first heard about SARMs, I was already skeptical. The same results as steroids without the side effects? As people say, if it's too good to be true, it probably is.

[@thomasc.9375]

this has been a very long and sleepless night, wallowing in my own misery and reading and watching review after review of sarms. ive been lifting for 2 years, and my dysmorphia and ribcage birth defect have been such drags on my mental health. but after hovering over the purchase button on a research chemical website and debating putting my overall health at stake just to make myself look better, ive decided that its not worth the risk, and THIS VIDEO IS THE NAIL IN THE COFFIN.

[@bourbonisto1721]

My favorite performance enhancer is this crazy drug called music

[@videogazer801]

This is the first I’ve heard of this terrible drug. I’ve only heard of testosterone and growth hormones from bodybuilders sites. This is a great video of awareness for lifters. Stay natural, work hard, and take care of yourselves.

[@austiningle8621]

One of the key factors of fitness is teaching discipline, patience, and consistency. You carry those traits outside the gym as well. It bums me out to see my generation willing to destroy their bodies and minds for instant results. Good things don't come easy.

[@piercejones4355]

While that is true and I completely disagree with taking sarms it still takes hard work to achieve that type of body and these are kids at the end of the day their parents and the world should protect them also this not just one generation this is a failure of society

[@NVCTS-]

yes new upload

[@ryanreviews8566]

once you understand that your potential is much higher than you thought, you won't contemplate steroids ever again - a true CHAD

[@orangepotato2112]

You are the definition of Quality Content, great video, well done!

[@wan2shuffle]

I’m so glad this stuff wasn’t really a thing when I was a teen. Good chance I would’ve done it.

[@Niberspace]

6:27 wow so cool to walk around with a cinematic filter IRL. i guess the problem is if you then try to play a 2008-era "nextgen" videogame you'll get yellow on yellow which will be so yellow you can't see anything

[@jozz7061]

My cycle of rad140 worked but it fucked me up mentally. I had panic attacks, always tired, treated my family like shit. It almost ruined my life. NOT WORTH IT.

[@ak74srthebest0909]

Yeah dude rad 140 is suppressive, you should read how to use it before taking it. It shuts down your natural testosterone production

[@YourFitnessQuest]

Yet another great video Josh! I appreciate the subtle nods you make to some of the more reputable and honest fitness authorities in a world of so much misinformation and hype. I've noticed you don't pump out a ton of content but it's always quality stuff when you release a new video.

[@sandwiches-o3f]

You need to begin with defining your terms. I had to Google what SARMS are. But besides that, extremely well put together. Thanks for this bit of useful education.

[@xiRePeNTx]

Feels like im watching a very high quality documentary i love this dudes vid, less uploads but when he does its a banger

[@KLM982]

Ostarine (MK2866) works by binding to the Androgen Receptor, increasing protein synthesis and altering the genes. It’s anabolic effects on the muscle tissues and minimizes muscle atrophy, most notably during recovery periods from surgery and injuries.

[@SpanishSpearo]

Good video but it is focusing on purely the negatives. If you take a sarm like MK it has been studied extensively and been around over 20 years. Also need to remember that even approved medications have dangerous side affects. The danger is that the sarms are readily available and young people are easily enticed. Most won't bother to do any research and take to much thinking more os better.

[@jeffmorabito10]

Mk677 is not a Sarm. It's a growth hormone secretagagoge. Totally different. Mk677 works and is in human trials. Sarms are not in human trials and they are inferior to Steroids with most of the same bad side effects. That's why Sarms will never get approved cause they are garbage. There is stuff outthere that is better.

[@rudysmith1552]

Most celebrities and fitness influencers have doctors,pharmacologist and trainers and knowledgeable in steroids behind them.

[@hp_husky]

Loved your highlights on the natural lifters at the end. They’re underrated and pure inspiration to reach genetic limits without performance enhancing substances.

[@Crooked_Clown]

I tried SARMs 12 years ago and from my first dose my skin started itching all over. This was my liver telling me that it was toxic

[@swamppnus]

When I was 20-22 I started lifting weights. I worked with my dad an we would get out pretty early so I would be at the gym with the highschool kids across the street. Became cool with some of them, after about a year of us working out they were all on sarms/roids. It’s legit crazy asf to even think about it, why are all these teens so fixated on quick results?

[@hrbacon]

Social Media and movies. You know how many jacked people I saw growing up in the 90's, per day? Zero unless I watched Rambo, Terminator, or went to the grocery store and saw a body-building magazine. Now, it's EVERYWHERE in front of these kids.

[@DropoutJerome]

I’m 7 and I take both sarms and steroids for maximum effect

[@Buglife.352]

How r the gainz

[@staceydi6787]

When I was 24 years old I had been lifting naturally for about 4 years consistently but struggled to put on mass due to a poor appetite. A co worker who was a newbie body builder gave me a pack of sarms and said they would help me gain weight. Me, being the idiot I was at that age, I took them for about 10 days and suddenly erupted in cystic acne on my face. It took me 3 years to clear my skin. I went on antibiotics, Spironolactone, accutane, antibiotics again, and FINALLY my skin cleared. It was a traumatizing and horrific experience and I'm mad at both myself and my idiot coworker for giving me them. I would not wish that experience on my worst enemy. I am now an acne free, 130lb ball of natural muscle and I love myself for it. I cannot believe the short time I took that trash ruined my skin for that long. It was TRAUMATIZING. I wish someone had told me and I wish I hadn't been so gullible. You live, you learn, you try to spread education and knowledge...