Why We Love Purposely Imperfect Writing

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@vidmuncher
@vidmuncher 3 жыл бұрын
"Here's dialogue's that neither realistic, nor believable" *ad starts*
@amyliaclenny1866
@amyliaclenny1866 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing 🤣
@omargerardolopez3294
@omargerardolopez3294 3 жыл бұрын
perfecter
@finnsweeney2604
@finnsweeney2604 3 жыл бұрын
KZbin knows what's up
@ValtorVentures
@ValtorVentures 3 ай бұрын
What ad was it lol
@OsvaldoBayerista
@OsvaldoBayerista 2 ай бұрын
@@ValtorVentures 99% of them
@billbadson7598
@billbadson7598 3 жыл бұрын
_”IT DOES OTHER THINGS TOO!”_ I lost it completely when she felt the need to defend the watch she stole.
@mankytoes
@mankytoes 3 жыл бұрын
I thought he'd compare that scene to Will Smith's boring, generic relationship with his daughter in the first film. Hollywood parenting v London parenting- nice to see Elba being pure Hackney in a big American film!
@SidPhoenix2211
@SidPhoenix2211 3 жыл бұрын
It's one of my favorite lines from the movie lol
@taniar2739
@taniar2739 3 жыл бұрын
That is what sold the movie to me.
@martabarrales3112
@martabarrales3112 3 жыл бұрын
legit always makes me chuckle
@chibiktsn3
@chibiktsn3 3 жыл бұрын
It is such a real line, I can totally picture a real person using that to explain themselves. CX
@realfinder942
@realfinder942 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like having imperfect dialogue makes a film feel more realistic. Nobody says everything perfectly or for a reason. Saying something random or out of character is just a part of life
@NT-lp3dv
@NT-lp3dv 3 жыл бұрын
Part of that is right but it can’t be too obviously out of character. I feel the imperfections need to live in the delivery. What I mean by that is the actors need to slip in a bad pronunciation of a word once in a while to make it feel real
@orionh5535
@orionh5535 3 жыл бұрын
On the side, too much painstaking recreation of the imperfect vagueries of life and you end up with a 3 hour mumblecore movie
@Lee-lm2bn
@Lee-lm2bn 3 жыл бұрын
I partly agree, mistakes and imperfections are part of everyday life and are being portrayed in movies as well, but it shouldn't feel too forced or serve as an excuse for "sloppy writing". Suicide Squad overall maintained a great balance so it does work within the story.
@efrenarevalo2025
@efrenarevalo2025 3 жыл бұрын
Not all the time but I get your point. Thriller, mystery, drama and psychological movies are some examples of films that heavily rely on precise dialogues. Nolan, Tarantino and Fincher films are some that I can think of that really needs "perfect" dialogue.
@abigfavor
@abigfavor 3 жыл бұрын
This is Katana. She's got my back. She can cut all of you in half with one sword stroke, just like mowing the lawn. I would advise not getting killed by her.
@zaczane
@zaczane 3 жыл бұрын
In Suicide Squad, the Turn to Heroism was Silly and dumb In THE suicide Squad, the turn to Heroism felt So fucking Real and Genuine
@kwekueghana3683
@kwekueghana3683 3 жыл бұрын
It was more personal - Starro legit said you guys are not leaving til you join my army essentially - they kind of had to fight whereas in the original it felt like only Rick Flag had a real stake in fighting
@amilcaraguirre6600
@amilcaraguirre6600 3 жыл бұрын
@@kwekueghana3683 Well... Starro didn't said that. He just leave them alone and went to conquer the city. And Waller even said: "You can go now, or I'll literally blow your brain out". And they still chose to be heros and maybe/probably die in the process.
@blyzer7373
@blyzer7373 3 жыл бұрын
I still think it's dumb in both. Like, why would they not listen to Waller and fight Starro? She would just blow their heads and they would die for nothing. There was no way for them to know some random person will knock Waller out.
@zaczane
@zaczane 3 жыл бұрын
@@blyzer7373 then you clearly missed the point. The movie painstakingly showed you that all though they were criminals, that doesn't mean they rotten people to the core. So they CHOSE to try to save the day, knowing that if they died, they died doing the right thing, and sometimes that's enough for people. It has Nothing to do with the fact they "knew" they wouldn't die, because like you said, they couldn't have known that.
@blyzer7373
@blyzer7373 3 жыл бұрын
@@zaczane So they were just dumb? Okay gotcha.
@McGriddy51095
@McGriddy51095 3 жыл бұрын
I really, really preferred this suicide squad to the old one, I actually felt something. Especially that one line, "rats are the lowliest creatures my love, if they have a purpose, so do we all"
@magallanesagustin4952
@magallanesagustin4952 3 жыл бұрын
Like, everyone prefered the second movie over the first one.
@McGriddy51095
@McGriddy51095 3 жыл бұрын
@@magallanesagustin4952 as they should
@franzlove
@franzlove 2 жыл бұрын
ngl my mans but this scene alone made me sob
@animeotaku307
@animeotaku307 Жыл бұрын
@@magallanesagustin4952My mom didn’t. We don’t have the same taste in movies.
@yageshabazz3456
@yageshabazz3456 3 жыл бұрын
The Suicide Squad looked like it was a lot of fun to film. Far from a cinematic masterpiece, yes but it certainly was entertaining from beginning to end
@rossg4641
@rossg4641 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, I would say it almost is, even if you look at it from a technical standpoint, all the characters were great, the story was sick, there was character progression for the ones that needed it and the scenes were done really well while having a light hearted tone at some points and switching inbetween serious and goofy with ease so I wouldn't say it's a masterpiece but I wouldn't say its far from it either
@bigjawline9235
@bigjawline9235 3 жыл бұрын
@@rossg4641 nah, theres definitely subpar writing in there, not enough for it to ruin it tho
@stam7250
@stam7250 3 жыл бұрын
@@bigjawline9235 idk I hear this a lot and I even looked for it in my second watch but I couldn't see it. I feel like the movie doesn't have any major flaw in any department to hold it back. If anything the only thing holding it back would be the movie itself (stylistically and in terms of tone but I absolutely love it so in my eyes it's pretty close to perfect)
@romxxii
@romxxii 3 жыл бұрын
@@bigjawline9235 What would you even consider subpar writing in that movie? They had a clear plot, characters with story arcs, callbacks to earlier dialogue, and clear roadblocks to their eventual goals that helped them grow as characters. Maybe specify a direct quote of the film that you think is subpar?
@JoshuaWillis89
@JoshuaWillis89 3 жыл бұрын
How is The Suicide Squad “far from a cinematic masterpiece?” Everything about it is excellent: the humor, the visual effects, the costumes, the acting, the sound design, the music, the sense of genuine fear for every character in it, the pov opening that perfectly establishes the premise, stakes, and tone of the movie, the character writing, the Peace Maker twist that was brilliantly foreshadowed by a line that felt like a throwaway joke at the time (when Waller first introduces Peace Maker with identical characteristics as Bloodsport, and Bloodsport points out that she said every team member was chosen for their unique abilities.)
@teenygozer
@teenygozer 3 жыл бұрын
The scene between Deadshot and his daughter was pretty much entirely improv. The actors knew where to start and where the director wanted to take it, but the screaming came from the actors. The young actor playing the daughter said she was kind of shocked to find herself screaming "Fuck you!" over and over at her idol, Idris Elba!
@arghyaneedsleep
@arghyaneedsleep 3 жыл бұрын
That was Bloodsport, not Deadshot.
@akielsteewart8577
@akielsteewart8577 3 жыл бұрын
I really thought you were talking about Will Smith.
@deviousj5868
@deviousj5868 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. "Deadshot."
@prosimian
@prosimian 3 жыл бұрын
Deadshot lmao
@DWEGOON
@DWEGOON 3 жыл бұрын
Most of the time, theres not a whole lot of "improv" in movies. A scene could take a dozen takes or have breaks between filiming moments of it. Improv would be really hard to do for an extended scene like that
@Narcixus
@Narcixus 3 жыл бұрын
That scene in suicide with Milton didn't serve for absolutely nothing like you used here as an example though. It showed that Polkadot man is growing and starting to care for other people.
@malcomchase9777
@malcomchase9777 3 жыл бұрын
Also, it set up a joke later with the name, just as the ass joke from Avengers. Which was equally useless to the plot of that movie, by the way. A very weird point when both scenes work the same in structure.
@romxxii
@romxxii 3 жыл бұрын
And it also shows that the rest of the Squad are still, despite their growth, all still assholes who don't care about anyone else in their immediate social circle.
@wizgi7201
@wizgi7201 3 жыл бұрын
@@romxxii everyone in the squad eccept ratcatcher and polka dot man are desensitzed to death, plus they didnt really know milton people dont feel strong emotions towards people dying they dont know
@JoshuaWillis89
@JoshuaWillis89 3 жыл бұрын
@@malcomchase9777 huh?
@Adino1
@Adino1 3 жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaWillis89 Capt America's ass, that really is America's ass .... Just watch the movie
@karolchruzik1919
@karolchruzik1919 3 жыл бұрын
A lot of youtubers and even critics like to fetishize technical quality of works, but its like you said. Too strict of rules following actually works against making characters and world feel real.
@Lee-lm2bn
@Lee-lm2bn 3 жыл бұрын
That's actually true, principles and limitations are helpful for creating a structure of your story, but without the right amount of creative freedom the dialogue and characters might feel too generic or even artificial. What you really need to structure being your creative ideas and how to make them appeal more realistic. That's where you draw inspirations from everyday life and humanities imperfections.
@chubibi06
@chubibi06 3 жыл бұрын
I once went to watch a stage play just like that : everything was timed to the second. Probably a swiss watchmaker's wet dream ; but the most boring stage play i've ever witnessed. I only found solace that night by finding out precisely how much time i had to endure. . .
@skapb
@skapb 3 жыл бұрын
blindly, religiously following a formula of what theoretically makes art good will never end in anything memorable. The (metaphorical, but also nowadays literal) industrialization of art will be the death of it.
@-Azure.EXE-
@-Azure.EXE- 3 жыл бұрын
The technicals are very important in filmmaking. Nobody would say The Room is better then 12 Angry Men for metaphorical reasons. Dialogue is a part of character, saying something out of character is better describe as revealing their real character under specific circumstances or without the need to filter themselves. There is also saying things that don't make sense for their character. Imagine if after almost successful allowing an invading alien force to destroy earth, a few days later he says 'They are leaving all these people behind' +sad face+. Incongruous with what we know of the character. That is very different to the progression of events being imperfect. Cause and effect can't be tarnished for the sake of your emotional pay off. It could very easily drag people out of the experience if a character falls a great distance, doesn't die and falls through more floors atop a pile of floors only to land in front of someone about to kill someone important. The smaller bullets pay off was great, saving ratcatcher 2, Peacemaker decisions are all great writing but, plot armour of that magnitude is awful.
@lassehoffmann625
@lassehoffmann625 2 жыл бұрын
I think it’s the classic you have to learn the rules and understand them before breaking a few to make it special
@jacob_90s
@jacob_90s 3 жыл бұрын
John Cena's trembles and pauses after some of actions were just perfect. The nonverbal dialogue was on point as well.
@jessicakakern4571
@jessicakakern4571 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love how Harley Quinn is being developed. She has grown from dependence on Joker as seen in the start of Birds of prey (not telling people they broke up to use his protection) to being strong enough to handle her own in pure chaos
@j.fragoso7451
@j.fragoso7451 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, i only wish that we could have seen her as the Jokers girl/partner/sidekick?. We have never seen her working with the Joker ever in live action. It kinda undervalues her independence if we have never seen her working as the Jokers #2.
@SilkKreep
@SilkKreep 3 жыл бұрын
I haven't seen anywhere near enough of her being with the Joker to actually appreciate the "development" it was just kinda straight outta the gate.
@herloss448
@herloss448 3 жыл бұрын
i just sees this new DC as this .a different universe and this harley quinn has a dfifferent JOKER not jared leto shit .bill skarsgard the guy who played pennywise can be JOKER i think
@StevenZephyc
@StevenZephyc 3 жыл бұрын
@@j.fragoso7451 In my head canon, suicide squad (2016) is basically what Harley is with joker: a sexy fidget spinner, fun to fiddle and good to look at. But besides that, almost no substance
@jackbishop8610
@jackbishop8610 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah no. There's no development. She's just written horribly in Suicide Squad, and Birds of Prey, and not written horribly in THE Suicide Squad.
@merrillbeck1575
@merrillbeck1575 3 жыл бұрын
“Here’s dialogue that’s neither realistic nor believable” - ad plays
@amyliaclenny1866
@amyliaclenny1866 3 жыл бұрын
Well, ads are neither realistic nor believable. 🤣
@ValtorVentures
@ValtorVentures 3 ай бұрын
What ad was it
@JacobGrim
@JacobGrim 3 жыл бұрын
"This is why people normally don't cough, unless it serves the narrative." 4:29 *a man is literally dying*
@MediumDSpeaks
@MediumDSpeaks 3 жыл бұрын
*a child* is literally dying
@richardsantanna5398
@richardsantanna5398 3 жыл бұрын
A psychopath is literally dying.
@MediumDSpeaks
@MediumDSpeaks 3 жыл бұрын
@@richardsantanna5398 can you really blame him? His uncle was his dad and his mom killed his..uh, other dad
@fahimfaisal7571
@fahimfaisal7571 3 жыл бұрын
One of the most satisfying scenes period.
@Decepticoncause
@Decepticoncause 3 жыл бұрын
I’m sure the Seven Kingdoms cared just as much.
@TheMovieSequelDude49
@TheMovieSequelDude49 3 жыл бұрын
I love how you used a clip from "The Eric Andre Show" when discussing how real conversations work, considering how otherwise batshit crazy the show is.
@Mathue360
@Mathue360 3 жыл бұрын
The movie's dialouge did flow really well. Most of the time, I felt they like me and a group of strangers would talk to one another that way. Or how when Viola Davis talks to the suicide squad, her tone sounds tired and annoyed (best part). It all felt good and was hilarious
@tadpolegaming4510
@tadpolegaming4510 3 жыл бұрын
"Yes, Nanaue, that is your hand."
@mercury2157
@mercury2157 3 жыл бұрын
@@tadpolegaming4510 "Think there's any connection?" "............ *No* "
@deviousj5868
@deviousj5868 3 жыл бұрын
It was funny
@vibangigan5336
@vibangigan5336 3 жыл бұрын
"This is Katana she cuts laaawwnns with her soul" is something I haven't been able to stop saying at that dumb line since I saw it
@AeroBlastX775
@AeroBlastX775 3 жыл бұрын
I really needed this as someone who writes fantasy. I try to go for serious undertones while having my characters be light-hearted expressing that even though the state of the world is horrible they are innocent and shouldn’t be by products of the tragic everyday. Constantly comparing myself to more established works I felt sad I was still writing this story when I originally wrapped it up last year, but hearing there’s a magic in imperfection really gave me confidence. Thank you!
@RacingSnails64
@RacingSnails64 3 жыл бұрын
That sounds great! I think I do something similar to that as well, and it still feels really cohesive. The overall plot and themes are absolutely serious, but my three main characters provide a surprising amount of levity in their downtime. They don't try one-upping each other with constant quips like a Marvel movie, it's more like their differing sensibilities brushing up against each other resulting in organic "punchlines," incredulity and amusement. They all had their upbringings stolen from them early, so they're all desperate for family and care about each other. I don't undermine the intense serious moments with jokes obviously, but I allow the heroes to enjoy each other's company. They like to unwind and tease each other when not fighting, possibly even try to cheer each other up when things are looking grim. It's...natural!
@AeroBlastX775
@AeroBlastX775 3 жыл бұрын
@@RacingSnails64 Loved this feedback this approach is what I enjoy about dialogue it may not be the most conventional but it helps set the tone for my story. While allowing interactions to not feel dated with the rest of my story. I really enjoyed this response.
@jans.g6033
@jans.g6033 3 жыл бұрын
@@AeroBlastX775 thanks for reminding me not to be too uptight with myself with writing. We are our biggest critics, and sometimes we can't help but compare ourselves to the ones already published. And it's hard on the self esteem sometimes.
@AeroBlastX775
@AeroBlastX775 3 жыл бұрын
@@jans.g6033 Always a difficult task but ultimately we write for the fun and the passion of it! Worry about everything else later in these first initial phases simply put words on a page. Tie together all those emotions, experiences, and luggage we carry daily and set them ablaze. We’re definitely our number one critiques so it’s nice to take a step back and not burn yourself out with the disaster of comparison. Believe in your book and it’ll believe in you!
@drmchillchristianbeats1455
@drmchillchristianbeats1455 3 жыл бұрын
When done right, imperfections in movies and books are great. A break from the conventional stuff and has the potential to become almost a genre of its own
@GiantButterKnife
@GiantButterKnife 3 жыл бұрын
I'm kind of surprised you didn't mention Iron Man (2008). It was a very loose production, and various cast interviews confirm that most dialogue was made on the set. The consequence of this is the film had very naturalistic dialogue for a Marvel film, which is interesting because that style is (as you mentioned) largely absent from most subsequent films in the franchise.
@romxxii
@romxxii 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say largely absent. If anything, Iron Man's success meant that dialogue from Avengers and onwards would tend towards flippancy and irreverence. They didn't adopt the full riff style, but Tony never stopped snarking, and frankly, neither did anyone else. Even Ultimate Straight Man Steve had to drop the "I know, I know" when his past self gave the ol' "I can do this all day" one liner.
@declanfoster7720
@declanfoster7720 3 жыл бұрын
If you're thinking about writing a dialogue in a fantasy setting, and don't want to sound like tolkien (not a diss, just a creative choice), run a Dungeons and Dragons session involving similar circumstances. Guarantee you'll have some fantastic naturalistic dialogue, or at least inspiration from it
@ssatva
@ssatva 3 жыл бұрын
This is an underrated note! I will expand this to say getting folks to do improvs might be more accessible to folks without tabletop experience or a player group, but if you can do the D&D route, oh goodness do. Players get into their rolls, but are just... not perfect... in a sometimes hilarious, sometimes touching way.
@matthewparker9276
@matthewparker9276 3 жыл бұрын
You're just saying that because you want someone to DM for you.
@declanfoster7720
@declanfoster7720 3 жыл бұрын
@@matthewparker9276 Jokes on you, I AM THE DM
@AeroBlastX775
@AeroBlastX775 3 жыл бұрын
I will always love how you never tell people what to do with their writing but you share careful guides as examples and I think that’s needed a lot more. Especially when talking about something as subjective as creative writing.
@pian-0g445
@pian-0g445 3 жыл бұрын
Just like how he you shouldn’t stay constrained by rules and tips, you shouldn’t be constrained by styles. I like how he doesn’t say naturalistic is better. It all depends on what you’re making. The context, character and tone.
@Calpsotoma
@Calpsotoma 3 жыл бұрын
Ya know, The Suicide Squad (2021) is one of the funniest DC movies, but it is also about how US interventionism (especially Contras), Project Paperclip, and attempts of mental control (such as MKULTRA) were all atrocities and "killing as many people as needed to keep the peace" (as Peacemaker wishes to do) is absurdly dangerous.
@Frogman1212
@Frogman1212 3 жыл бұрын
James Gunn is a liberal. They don't believe in mkultra
@VALENTINEBEAMS
@VALENTINEBEAMS 3 жыл бұрын
@@Frogman1212 MKULTRA was indisputably real. We just don't all believe it was run by aliens or that Charlie Manson was a Manchurian Candidate.
@deviousj5868
@deviousj5868 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah that.
@MP-ue7ol
@MP-ue7ol 3 жыл бұрын
@@Frogman1212 What? How does that follow?
@WinterPains
@WinterPains 2 жыл бұрын
@@MP-ue7ol Typical alt-right style stupidity.
@techattack6803
@techattack6803 3 жыл бұрын
Finally, an analysis of The Suicide Squad that feels passionate but still genuine. Great stuff all around.
@zabi_aka
@zabi_aka 3 жыл бұрын
Thats scene assuming what kinda dog weasel is got me. I couldn't stop laughing, every next line and deli every was better than the last
@Tutorial7a
@Tutorial7a 3 жыл бұрын
The cutting off of your voice right at the end is the perfect end to this video. Imperfection, making it all feel more real.
@michaelriverside1139
@michaelriverside1139 3 жыл бұрын
I think The Big Lebowski also embodies a lot of the randomness and chaos of actual people actually speaking just in the first scene where parts of the conversation go nowhere until they find a point with the rug to settle in for a while...
@KitKatWiffleBallBat
@KitKatWiffleBallBat 3 жыл бұрын
"N-no, Morty! T-th-the only real monster here, is alcoholism." *belches* 😂🤣😂 Gawd damn that was funny.
@richardsantanna5398
@richardsantanna5398 3 жыл бұрын
Nice choker
@darkassassin6457
@darkassassin6457 3 жыл бұрын
@@richardsantanna5398 L
@Q269
@Q269 3 жыл бұрын
Here's an example of dialog that is not believable, at all: Google: Let's insert a couple ads real quick Wooboy... That was a good laugh.
@hieithefox
@hieithefox 3 жыл бұрын
It happened to me to and it fit perfectly lol
@exzyyd392
@exzyyd392 3 жыл бұрын
He chooses where the ad goes, that was the joke
@Q269
@Q269 3 жыл бұрын
@@exzyyd392 I dunno if that happens all of the time, buy yeah makes sense for chapters. I've definitely had more ads play when watching through my TV compared to my phone though.
@GuineaPigEveryday
@GuineaPigEveryday 3 жыл бұрын
You know a film is embodying those naturalistic moments when you see the club scene, with its part-awkward moments and part-funny and genuine moments and relate to similar moments you've had yourself with friends and such. Like the scene when they tease Polka Dot man for getting buzzed. I mean its very different from the cliche scene in 2016 Suicide Squad meant to be a break for the characters to establish their arcs before the big battle.
@FroggyORTIZ
@FroggyORTIZ 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve watched this film four times now and it hasn’t decreased in quality. I know it’s easy to bash on DC films, however, I feel like when they knock it out of the park it’s next level. I wish studios would let creators create, allow them to do what they were hired for.
@TheSpectator7
@TheSpectator7 3 жыл бұрын
The Suicide Squad: a redeeming superhero film full of charm and character, disguised as a bad sequel!
@KoiPuff
@KoiPuff 3 жыл бұрын
I think James Gunn's writing is where he shines brightest. He really understands interpersonal relationships and how people talk/fight. A good example imo is when Peter and Gamora are fighting in GotG2 and Peter is willfully ignoring/dismissing Gamora's warnings about Ego by trying to deflect to "Cheers" and Gamora turns back just to shout "I DON'T KNOW WHAT CHEERS IS!" I've had that type of fight, the one where I try to walk away but I just HAVE to turn around and say something, even if it's nonsense.
@corruptangel6793
@corruptangel6793 3 жыл бұрын
"Stupid plot, fun experience." That was my opinion upon watching the movie.
@halfmettlealchemist8076
@halfmettlealchemist8076 3 жыл бұрын
Low-key, you're one of my favorite film/writing analysis channels on KZbin, and you deserve way more attention/subscribers that you already have. The way you focus on specific aspects of movies, your sense of humor, the sheer passion you have for writing and editing in general - it's like candy to a creative-writing nerd like me. In short, you're amazing, take care of yourself, and keep doing what you love, my man.
@jeanlafontaine7348
@jeanlafontaine7348 3 жыл бұрын
Heightened language is peak human communication. It’s the product of people having enough clarity of mind, flexibility, and confidence to immediately respond to a given situation in a calculated way meant to illicit a particular response.
@LordHollow
@LordHollow 3 жыл бұрын
"The Implication" is some of the greatest dialogue every put in a TV show, let alone any media.
@julesrules7297
@julesrules7297 3 жыл бұрын
Y'know, this topic makes me think of professional wrestling. The best wrestlers can handle a microphone and sound natural, "dialing up their personality to a 10" while delivering dialogue that would seem silly or unbelievable coming from others.
@carlosfigueroa8322
@carlosfigueroa8322 3 жыл бұрын
17:33 *Polka-dot man can imagine a 400 foot tall Kaiju-Karen* Man, I don't know in which type of dialogue this statement falls
@thanthan4181
@thanthan4181 3 жыл бұрын
So that's why the DardevilvPunisher rooftop scene is so great. It felt like a real argument. They're both interrupting each other and stutters sometimes.
@sirstupifie4958
@sirstupifie4958 3 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite lines in the film; Rick: who the fuck ate the last empanadas? Bloodsport: I did...had the chicken
@Astrolionking
@Astrolionking 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite example of Naturalistic Dialogue is a movie called Isle Of Dogs (a stop motion movie by Wes Anderson) All of the scenes feel slow but it’s so great when characters start interacting, making subtle reactions to what each character is saying, small stutters, etc. It’s so natural and perfect. We get ZERO info for a plot but we get info about the characters, their personalities or how their lives were before the events of the movie.
@bootlegpbj3767
@bootlegpbj3767 3 жыл бұрын
9:37 “Here is dialogue that is neither realistic or believable” *ad plays*
@YukihyoShiraki
@YukihyoShiraki 3 жыл бұрын
The dialog sounds like a group of roleplayers roleplaying which is what im convinced writers rooms are now, just the writers playing DnD and converting their games into scripts
@PaletoB
@PaletoB 3 жыл бұрын
I particularly love Weasel's dialogue. He brings out all our emotions and thoughts without saying a word. No matter how you speak or in what language, behind the facade we're all like him... (◠‿◕)
@werecam56
@werecam56 3 жыл бұрын
Some of the early dialogue scenes felt like something out of The Office and I was surprised at how well it worked 😂 it was freaking hilarious. Even the camera work seemed similar with the shakier camera/quick zooms.
@hebercluff1665
@hebercluff1665 3 жыл бұрын
9:33 "Here is dialogue that is neither realistic nor believable." *Cuts to an ad* *I burst out laughing*
@irrevenant3
@irrevenant3 3 жыл бұрын
9:37 Personally I figured this was Flagg blustering. He knows he's surrounded and outnumbered by vicious supervillains who would happily shank him the first chance they get. So he was trying to convince them why attempting that would be a bad idea. They found him not at all intimidating, but that's appropriate both for their characters and for his.
@romxxii
@romxxii 3 жыл бұрын
He's obviously blustering, it's just unnatural and stilted.
@TheJunkieBox
@TheJunkieBox 3 жыл бұрын
"Here is dialogue that is neither realistic nor believable" "Well in many ways the Big Boy never left, sir. He's always offered the same high quality meals at competitive prices."
@XOISHTAR
@XOISHTAR 3 жыл бұрын
Ironically there was a second thing that I just noticed between the three examples used near the beginning: the music design for the scene… the music of the two older DCEU sound hokey/silly to signal the coming punchline… while the suicide squad clip didn’t use the music to signal the humour, just let the dialogue do all the work.
@romxxii
@romxxii 3 жыл бұрын
Gunn's proven he can use music and score when and where it counts.
@XOISHTAR
@XOISHTAR 3 жыл бұрын
@@romxxii agreed
@adamwing6961
@adamwing6961 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. I'm glad you brought up Rick and Morty; it's a naturalistic dialogue linchpin, though I'd say it's an interesting case as it pushes the naturalism to the stylistically unrealistic.
@cherusiderea1330
@cherusiderea1330 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. It made me realize that I tend to writing naturalistic dialogue and I thought I just couldn't write properly, but now I see it's just different.
@cherusiderea1330
@cherusiderea1330 3 жыл бұрын
@chinsaw2727 I mean that's basically what I wrote but thanks I guess?
@Adino1
@Adino1 3 жыл бұрын
Man, this was a mindblowing video. It emphasized things I already understood at a base level of writing, but put them in practical terms.
@interviolet6675
@interviolet6675 3 жыл бұрын
I love everything about The Suicide Squad, it has so much Heart hearts getting stabbed, shot out, spat on, and Emotional Heart
@ebduddles
@ebduddles 3 жыл бұрын
Making the distinction between those three qualities of dialogue is really helpful! Dialogue is something I need to work on and the way you explained the differences really helps! Thanks!
@colonelweird
@colonelweird 3 жыл бұрын
What a brilliant analysis of dialogue in film! Just enough to leave me wanting more. Plus the misspelling in the thumbnail makes it literally "imperfect dialouge". Just perfect.
@sayven
@sayven 3 жыл бұрын
I can think of two effects that naturalistic dialogue has: 1) It is kind of a fourth wall break. By writing naturalistically you acknowledge that the writing before was not how people talk. 2) It creates extra believability. By writing naturalistically you have the viewer move away from the lense of viewing a movie and instead move him towards the lense of the real life.
@MediumDSpeaks
@MediumDSpeaks 3 жыл бұрын
Is it not "Purposefully" , not "Purposely" or... Oh wait the title is a typo _ON PURPOSE_ ! That's genius, whoa
@hierrikmedan6934
@hierrikmedan6934 3 жыл бұрын
I’m glad you put in the Harley & Polka exchange about Milton because David Dastmalchian is the whole reason I even watched the movie
@JaredisAMPED
@JaredisAMPED 3 жыл бұрын
Hey just to let you know the Silicon Valley dialogue wasn’t just believable but realistic. I think I’ve had that conversation.
@jakwhyld4406
@jakwhyld4406 3 жыл бұрын
The piece of media with the best dialogue, in my opinion, is the tv show Psych, especially the dynamic between Shawn and Gus. Look up "Psych, Legal Consultants" the scene is pure gold.
@romxxii
@romxxii 3 жыл бұрын
I love that show, but honestly sometimes Shawn and Gus talking over each other can get a bit much. It still works for me because usually the punchline to their dynamic is Gus getting a bit of breathing room to do/say what he wants, then immediately flubs it after a beat, leaving Shawn to swoop in with a quip.
@jakwhyld4406
@jakwhyld4406 3 жыл бұрын
@@romxxii Just cause you put syrup on something don't make it pancakes.
@pietropiola7258
@pietropiola7258 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like this is also why improvised scenes are often the funniest / most memorable
@pietropiola7258
@pietropiola7258 3 жыл бұрын
Oh he said it nvm I hadn’t finished the video yet
@opposite_hedgehog_753
@opposite_hedgehog_753 3 жыл бұрын
This film is one of the best sequels I have ever watched.
@StickNik
@StickNik 3 жыл бұрын
Ngl, especially being exposed to it as a kid, I immediately bought into the prequel dialogue and would class it as believable whenever I listen to it.
@michealvega1373
@michealvega1373 3 жыл бұрын
Afghan Hound is the best punchline of 2021
@efleishermedia
@efleishermedia 3 жыл бұрын
So glad you nodded to Inglorious Basterds here... when I think of uncannily perfect dialgue that film is by far #1. I love that the last line was something like, "...this might be my masterpiece" because it is a true masterpiece in writing. Never gets old
@Mimic_Gaming
@Mimic_Gaming 2 жыл бұрын
After suicide squad I’m SO excited for guardians of the galaxy 3, James Gunn is a gift
@alphabetbeer
@alphabetbeer 3 жыл бұрын
"Comedies that have based their entire identities off of dialogue, seemingly snatched from real life" When I tell you I was already quoting Always Sunny in my head before you showed it...
@shreykapoor5962
@shreykapoor5962 2 жыл бұрын
One of the best channels in terms of genuinely propounding knowledge and showing the many nuances of writing.
@emmanuelatti86
@emmanuelatti86 3 жыл бұрын
I prefer natural dialogues and jokes that look and sounds like the naturally improvised banter and jokes between friends or co-workers. But heightened dialogues are pretty cool too and can be very quotable.
@ruthiewitter569
@ruthiewitter569 2 жыл бұрын
I love that you left the blip at the end of the audio in the video Truly masterful, endearing touch
@uosdwiSrdewoH
@uosdwiSrdewoH 3 жыл бұрын
"Sometimes we say crap that just doesn't make sense. We say things that don't progress a conversation in any meaningful way." That sounds like everything I say. If you look through just the comments in this video I go off topic constantly and writing is usually a little more to the point because we can edit ourselves. More than once I've been told it reads like how I talk. Kind of. I sound slightly smarter here though because I have a little more time to plan ahead before I get to what I'm saying as I type. I stumble and umm and ah constantly when I speak.
@spooneater9001
@spooneater9001 3 жыл бұрын
9:33 I like the ad placement here
@PrinceIsot
@PrinceIsot 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for mentioning Marriage Story when talking about Naturalistic Dialogue, when they were arguing me and my girlfriend who were having hard times at the moment just looked at each other and we both knew what we were watching...
@PrinceIsot
@PrinceIsot 3 жыл бұрын
Also I seem to be the only that didn't get the ad when I was supposed to
@lucredegoicouria
@lucredegoicouria 3 жыл бұрын
i just came here to say that i'm not a writer, i've never even tried to write anything, i simply enjoy your videos so much, you have completely change the way i watch movies and tv shows!
@bigseizmos76
@bigseizmos76 3 жыл бұрын
also polka dot man's actor is so underrated in 5:52 onwards
@sofer2230
@sofer2230 3 жыл бұрын
5:52 My favourite thing about this is that the camera stayed on Harley's confused face for *three whole seconds* before she asked. The fact this wasn't cut speaks volumes of the pacing this movie's going for.
@lespaulnasty31
@lespaulnasty31 3 жыл бұрын
Naturalistic dialogue otherwise known as “mumblecore”
@HxH2011DRA
@HxH2011DRA 3 жыл бұрын
Dialogue analysis is always one of the hardest things for me to get, but as a consquence it's also what I find most valuable when done well
@jdmmangamangaka6716
@jdmmangamangaka6716 3 жыл бұрын
Wow this was a surprise to see for sure! Thank you for the vid and look forward to using your services in the future!
@AntiSuccess
@AntiSuccess 3 жыл бұрын
so glad you did a deeper dive into what made that one scene between idris elba and his daughter so compelling. they only shared like one scene, i think, but it was so good that it believably drove his motivation for the rest of the film! i loved it
@OverlyPositiveFanboy
@OverlyPositiveFanboy 3 жыл бұрын
"Peacemaker on his own has more personality than the 2016 cast." Huh, I guess that's why he's getting his own series.
@MilanMilan0000
@MilanMilan0000 2 жыл бұрын
Another show that does this type of dialogue amazingly is Smiling Friends, and its SO good
@jesseshipley387
@jesseshipley387 2 жыл бұрын
God, what a video! Opened my eyes to the existence of my own favorite style of dialogue. It's so frustrating not having the words to describe something, but you managed to do it masterfully.
@dragonskywalker5507
@dragonskywalker5507 3 жыл бұрын
"The suicide squad manages to hit a similar tone to (guardians of the galaxy)" I mean... they are both directed and written by the same guy
@oneofthoseyoutubeusers
@oneofthoseyoutubeusers 3 жыл бұрын
imperfect dialogue can make a scene perfect
@Logic0913
@Logic0913 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic critique and review of what makes fantasy real life for us, the viewers. Great analysis and look forward to many more!
@AnimatedTerror
@AnimatedTerror 3 жыл бұрын
0:23 That very very subtle Omni man got me to subscribe.
@huntywunty
@huntywunty 3 жыл бұрын
i literally thought of "the implication" scene from iasip when you described natural dialogue
@Someguywithalotoftism
@Someguywithalotoftism 3 жыл бұрын
I loved this movie so so much. It helped me during a hard time and it gives me so much inspiration
@radiantorder5958
@radiantorder5958 3 жыл бұрын
Yes savage... Not a min, more like months but still love your videos. 👍
@tristankendrick2582
@tristankendrick2582 2 жыл бұрын
I always love conversations that contribute literally nothing to the story. While watching the new season of Umbrella Academy I was losing my mind with how amazing and on point the banter between siblings was.
@rhetiq9989
@rhetiq9989 2 жыл бұрын
There’s nothing better than to see a character with mostly casual and seemingly off-the-cuff lines delivering a hopeful and optimistic short speech to someone else in their own way. There’s one in Age of Ultron when Hawkeye tries to comfort Wanda in the midst of the final battle and that became one of his most memorable lines ever in that franchise. It’s small, upflifting but most of all it is Hawkeye level of casual “Whatever I just wanna get this shit done” which is great
@kimcarragher5784
@kimcarragher5784 3 жыл бұрын
This video made me realise why I love New Girl so much (in its prime), because of how often conversations would get derailed by tangents/certain characters randomly bringing up new topics/or characters who weren’t listening suddenly talking. Naturalistic dialogue. Which is funny, for a show filled with characters that are so weird.
@Miunim
@Miunim 3 жыл бұрын
I've been feeling this way for the longest time but didn't know how to explain it. Well done
@gianni206
@gianni206 3 жыл бұрын
I wanna love natural dialogue more, but it feels like that’s all that fills the screens of the superhero genre now.
@lu-vu3xk
@lu-vu3xk 3 жыл бұрын
Great and informative video as always Savage! And on the subject of dialogue: I always wondered what's the right way to nail comedic dialogue in written media as I feel that so much of the comedy comes from the actor's delivery. I often write dialogue that feels funny to me but I'm not certain if the reader will find to be as funny because they might imagine a completely different delivery.
@MrTruedragonknight
@MrTruedragonknight 3 жыл бұрын
I love this video. It so high quality. I’m hoping to get my content on this level. Thanks for inspiring me.
@Gummybear518
@Gummybear518 3 жыл бұрын
I shall play an unrealistic unbelievable dialogue: Money transfer Ad starts playing.
@erubin100
@erubin100 3 жыл бұрын
"...flaws though it may have..." Them's fightin words, pal!
@thebookclinic1998
@thebookclinic1998 3 жыл бұрын
This was a fantastic video! I love how you break a topic (dialogue in this case) down layer by layer. I wanted to make a video on Suicide Squad but couldn't figure out what to say. You nailed it so I'm glad I didn't even try lol
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