2024 Genesis G70 | The One Left Behind

[@mrnicktoyou]

After years of driving SUV's (my kids are finally older now), Im finally back in a sedan and I couldn't be more happy. It's so much more dynamic and comfortable, I love it. Never getting an SUV again.

[@calebwany8422]

Thanks for keeping the sedans alive, they might be extinct by the time I'm able to afford one

[@colechapman6976]

I love wagons for this reason. They offer the same capacity of a SUV but they are relatively low to the ground and they have a lower center of gravity. This helps with cornering and handling. I love how they look too, and they usually are quite understated compared to all the ridiculous overstyled crossovers and SUVs

[@calebwany8422]

@@colechapman6976 you say that but wagons are pretty much extinct

[@jsks76905]

​@@calebwany8422second hand these cars will be very affordable. Unfortunately they have bad depreciation

[@speedracer2please]

Looking back, do you think the SUVs were really necessary for kids? I grew up in a sedan and might have kids soon but am dreading the SUVs.

[@LLG47]

I feel like 2015 to 2019 was peak time for car enthusiasts, post COVID things are really falling apart and it's not a very interesting thing to follow anymore. I've been stealing glances at the Whirlpool magazine maybe I'll start getting into washing machines.

[@SueBobChicVid]

Those 1800 rpm spin speeds are kicking!

[@gearhead1308]

Could not agree any more.

[@LogicalQ]

Speed Queen is where it’s at

[@ballathug8404]

😢

[@AceEverett]

As an appliance tech, it's harder learning which appliances are good and bad than it is for cars for the average person. They change designs often, and model numbers don't differentiate which machines have what on the inside, and you can't just pop the hood real quick and check. Whirlpool has many great machines, but they also have a few stinkers that people buy not knowing the dramatic difference in reliability and longevity. Can't rely on Consumer Reports either because they only test them for one year and give high marks for features and looks.

[@joshua3196]

When I saw it was a 9min review, I was prepared to see it savagely reviewed

[@stevejung6470]

His reviews has a sad depressing tone no mojo.. similar to jordan Peterson sad crying voice

[@DearMajesty]

The trim levels make a huge difference. We drove the base 3.3T and the top trim with adaptive shocks, bigger brakes, and LSD!! Even the throttle and trans lag was gone. Totally different car! Very snappy!

[@holicanoli123]

53k miles on mine with no issues, and I drive it hard! It can hang onto twisty country roads at speeds that would make a fwd Acura flail and screech. No auto start/stop, no fake exhaust noise, nannies can be turned off. I don’t care about gas mileage or baby seats, I just want to drive

[@postalpancho]

But if you wanted performance you should have gotten the 330i. The one benefits to a Genesis is that it is cheap. BMW out performs and is clearly more reliable and has a much better tuning potential.

[@EpicNinjaRides]

My ITS begs to differ.

[@caglioso]

The tlx type s absolutely hugs the road and handles beautifully (sh-awd). So does the integra type s, hell even the civic type r does.

[@stevemiller1626]

@@postalpanchoThe 330i is the twin power 4-cyl.

[@blahz7152]

@@postalpancho BMW is reliable? Since when?

[@acerimmer8338]

All I can say is, bought a used 2019 3.3T AWD w/ 19k miles last year. Got it $25k OTD w/ my trade-in. When you look at value, you're not getting anything close to this for the money new or even lightly used. It's well-damped, solid handling while comfortable. Beautiful interior. All the gizmos. And pretty fast w/ talkative steering (for a modern car). Plus I think they look great, especially compared to the boring Germans. Everything I've read about the V6 and 8-speed is it's the most reliable drivetrain in the company. There have been some quality issues w/ small plastic bits, all covered under warranty. But every time I drive it it makes me smile. Would I pay $50k? No. But I wouldn't pay $50k for any car in this segment brand new.

[@BenA_DD]

After test driving C43s, M240is, M340is, TTS, TLX Type S, IS, and a few others I actaully bought a new 23 3.3 maxed out G70 a couple of months ago for just under $50K. At 56k MSRP it is a tough sell as it is not best in class at any one thing but it's very close to the top of the pack at everything. But most dealers are more than willing to wheel and deal and at under $50k new this competing with things like the CTR/Golf R/Integra TS, none of which really come close to this unless you have to have a manual. I have a great stand alone dealer 15 min from my house and they have been terrific to me and have a surprisingly good reputation, so the 10 year warranty was a big sell for me. This is not a sports car, but a very fun sedan that has great self driving and tech that isn't even offered in the Germans. If you want something hard core get an M3 or RS3, if you have a sports car already and want a long term (10 year warranty) but exciting sedan to daily this is a great option.

[@johnl.38]

I had a similar experience and similar out the door price. I was so close to buying an m340i but I was realizing that it would be a compromise vehicle for me that would be sportier, but still wouldn't be as sporty as I wanted, yet would cost ~15k more WITHOUT some of the packages. I figured save money on this as a daily and then just buy something I really want like the full M car or used Porsche that I wouldn't want to beat up as a daily.

[@ice_hot]

back when it was 50/52k max msrp, it was in a great price point. now, it's pretty tough

[@BenA_DD]

@johnl.38 100% agree, I was in the exact same boat. I was close to looking at an M2 to get something truly sporty for a do-it-all one car solution, but I settled on spending 50k on a G70 which is the perfect daily for a car guy and then I'll spend 20-30k on a used 996/997 and have a much better sports car than a sedan could ever offer. Total its about the same money as an M2/M340i, but now I'll have zero compromise in either daily or fun.

[@fzr1000981]

Not sure I trust Hyundai engines

[@C.JG.]

I would seal them against rust immediately, if I ever had one new...

[@autohelix]

I have a 2020 G70 3.3 awd sport. My wife and I got 23% off the sticker price. For 41,000 it is a great car. 54,000 not so much.

[@devn3813]

Now they’re all nearly 60

[@Shadygobang]

I just bought a 2020 3.3 with 30k miles for 27k it’s a great car for the used market I think. Not sure if I could have got this quality of car and performance for the same price

[@JohnMedved]

@@Shadygobang Is it a Prestige with the Nappa leather/surround cameras? I bought my 2019 3.3t rwd Prestige in March 2023 with 19K miles for $30,000. It's got 24K on it now. I love the car. :)

[@i.d.6492]

So how come it's not worth $54K? Because it's associated with Huyndai brand? You literally getting everything standard wheres in bwm or Mercedes it would an extra $5-10K package. Stop whining

[@i.d.6492]

@@JohnMedved bro same. Only 2021 model. I have everything these overpriced bmws and Mercedes have apart from digital dash and ambient lighting

[@kevinbreese5739]

Interesting... because 99% of the user reviews of this car is that they absolutely love it, especially the top trim 3.3T AWD Prestige which is what I have, and I love it as well. It's very quick, handles great, has all the tech and luxury you'll ever need, looks great...all for a good price. One other bonus is I rarely see any others on the road. What's not to love?

[@mrk2ovtec]

Bought my 2022 g70 sport prestige brand new. Now have 50k miles and I love every bit of it. Only issue is the dealerships. Absolutely suck. I try and do all my own maintenance.

[@postalpancho]

Should have gotten a BMW. 🤷

[@jeffs6090]

Mine is a stand alone Genesis dealership. They are phenomenal!

[@loseerich493]

If it's any solice, BMW dealerships are garbage as well (at least in my area). Audi in my area is still good though.

[@MikeYurbasovich]

​@@jeffs6090Here it's like dealing with carnies.

[@TheRedRaven_]

Same, Prestige but im at 18k lol. But I do agree with you, I have had dealership problems and had to get with corporate just recently because of a small issue I was being toyed around with.

[@gaius_marius]

People should give sport sedans a try. After driving one for a while, it sucks getting back on an SUV.

[@RudeXII]

seeing the SUV market kill sedans like this is really making me sad, not gonna lie

[@jsks76905]

What if I told you the SUV killed the Supra, NSX, 300z, RX7 25 years ago and it took this long for them to com back?

[@funkyfurballs1078]

It's works out well for cuties that don't fill pot holes.

[@AI-qd4vb]

@@jsks76905 prices and stagnant wages killed those, and theyre all still dead. The new supra is just a poshy coupe, not afordable whatsoever. The current Z is the only real "jdm" coupe currently available but its also expensive af, plus it being the same old ancient FM platform with a facelift. The NSX, lol, the only thing they have in common is the name and the RX is never comming back. The affordable high performance coupes are absolutely dead. Whatever disposable income some of the higher class young adults have nowadays can at most allow them to buy bottom of the barrel miata or some gr toyota as a sports car toy.

[@G-Rated]

It’s hilarious how y’all are making excuses for Genesis G70 being a flop. The SUV market hasn’t changed since this thing debuted. So what was Genesis thinking? What happened to all the commenters claiming Genesis was going to be the top seller of the segment?

[@RudeXII]

@@G-Rated lower your voice

[@FlowStateNewOrleans]

On the local used market, the V6 Stingers are more expensive than V6 G70s, which is weird to me. I owned a 2020 Stinger GT2 for two years and really enjoyed it, but I was able to sell it for exactly what I'd paid for it during the used car bubble, which was hard to resist when I didn't actually need to replace it.

[@SaintMecha]

Maybe because the Stinger is cancelled and there is no more new ones available.

[@FlowStateNewOrleans]

@@SaintMecha Probably. But a top trim G70 is much nicer inside than a top trim Stinger, for sure. If I ever buy another one of those cars, I'll definitely consider the G70 if those price trends hold, even though I prefer the lift back.

[@flybriur]

I think people may like the Stinger's styling overall. Plus, it's much more practical - you can actually put adults in the back seats comfortably and the liftback allows it to haul a bunch of stuff.

[@jakesnake1793]

Stinger’s liftback is a big plus in terms of overall usability. I’ve managed to haul a surprising amount in its trunk, plus a dog and passenger. I’d argue the Stinger’s styling is also more ‘sporty’ looking than the G70 as well which could play into people’s preference. Real bummer to see these two cars languish and die out. The car has been rock solid year round through 46k miles so far. I still blame Kia/Hyundai’s lack of marketing next to no one has heard of either car unless you’re someone who’s big into cars.

[@flybriur]

@@jakesnake1793 It is a bummer the Stinger already died, and the G70 might as well pretty soon. I've had a Stinger GT2 for almost four years now, and it replaced my Lexus IS 350 - was able to get an amazing deal during COVID before the prices started skyrocketing. Yes, the fit and finish of the Lexus is better, and I'm sure overall reliability is better (although a solenoid on my Lexus' transmission crapped out at about 83,000 miles requiring a full transmission replacement, despite not being driven hard and all proper maintenance always done), but I definitely have more fun driving my Stinger, and it's LOADS more practical -- I just recently hauled a 65" TV - in its box - in my Stinger (it was a pretty tight fit, but I did it). No mechanical or electrical issues with my Stinger so far, but had multiple recurring fit and finish interior issues, most of which are resolved now, and also the issue with the brake pad material deposits on the rotors causing shuddering after only a few thousand miles (they cut my rotors once and replaced the rotors and pads twice already all within less than 20,000 miles - different aftermarket rotors and pads can solve the issue though). Unfortunately, nobody wants coupes and sedans anymore -- it's all SUV, SUV, SUV. And that's really sad. I don't know if marketing really would have done much at all to change people's buying preferences. Look at all the exotic and performance car companies that had to bend the knee and make an SUV -- Porsche, Ferrari (I know they don't want to call it an SUV, but it basically is), Lamborghini, and Aston Martin, just to name a few. It's where the money is, unfortunately. It's also not good for safety on the roads with all these bigger SUVs out there. One of the main reasons I got the Stinger is that I only have one vehicle and I wanted a car - not an SUV - and one that was truly sporty and had performance, but was also very practical. There really is much out there to choose from that checks all those boxes.

[@johnl.38]

I'm going to simp for this car to self validate having bought one. You can find crazy deals on these- new, used, and CPO (careful used due to warranty transferability). Absolutely get the V6 prestige over the lower trim or 4 cyl. An equivalently equipped m340i is 15k-20k more out the door, and you obviously get a better powertrain but worse audio and not everyone loves idrive 8. The Acura tlx family is the slowest in class and has had issues reported on the nhtsa website about collision detection malfunction causing sudden unintended stopping on highways. The Audi S4 is basically as un-updated as this but has serious longevity and reliability concerns due to the pcv system and random cylinder 6 failures. The Lexus IS500 has no awd options and a not-so-great infotainment interface. All in all, I would consider the G70 the value option for the segment and reasons to buy are warranty plus comparatively low cost.

[@NomenClature-o8s]

Best first sentence ever.

[@jsks76905]

I came to the same conclusion in 2022 and bought a top trim G70. The only thing that was bad was the sad legroom in the rear. Overall great car. Honestly it would make for a great used car purchase due to poor depreciation

[@mapolinski]

Summary: The G70 is the least worst option.

[@devn3813]

They’re nearly all $60,000 new now. That is absolutely insane. You can still build a M340i x drive for a little less than that

[@Maljey]

@@devn3813 You can't *find* a M340i X-Drive for 60K new. BMW dealers don't stock this car in a base trim at all. You literally have to custom order it. If you are custom ordering, you can get a G70 V6 for well under 60K. The RWD V6 starts at 50K and the AWD V6 starts at 52K. It is still a bargain at those prices considering the performance, features and tech.

[@jsks76905]

I had a 2022 top spec G70. I was a great car and a blast to drive. Genesis Canada service was great as well. I only sold it as i wanted a bit more room. I now own a BMW 540. I still miss tossing the G70 around. Was a blast!

[@stevemiller1626]

Nice. I drove a newer 528 last year and twas surprisingly tossable. Want to try the 540.

[@jsks76905]

@@stevemiller1626 yeah G30 BMW is very tosaable, but it has a longer wheel base so no where as nimble. I also test drive the e450 but that car wasn't as tosaable. It understeer a lot but the interior was gorgeous. Also wasn't a fan of the steering column shifter.

[@Kevin-o5v]

I have been driving a 2022 3.3T RWD for almost 3 years in always dry enough to grip southern California. I cannot express how much luxury sporty street fun I have had for the price I paid. The grins per dollar are very strong with this ride.

[@DrHistoryV]

i got a '22 3.3T fully loaded for a hair over 40k, honestly best daily I could ever find, car in sport mode keeps you on your toes. It's a more luxurious stinger, really fun to drive

[@dougn2350]

G70 with 2.5T is exactly what I want. Just enough power, soft comfy ride, good handling and it looks great too. I don't need to get to the grocery store in 3 micro seconds. Yeah, I'm an older guy that likes a gentleman's sedan.

[@rhiiine]

Mark and Jack always forget to mention the Alfa Romeo Giulia and Cadillac CT4 V-series when talking sports sedan which is frustrating because when spec'd right (RWD w/ LSD) both are sportier options in this segment that seem to have the wow factor this is lacking.

[@Hazdazos]

It is because most auto journalists are clowns who only know how to do one thing - suck off German car executives. That is all you ever hear about. Audi, BMW, M-B or Porsche. That's all they ever talk about.

[@senacha]

Bought this new in 2022 thinking the full changed model is just around the corner, and here we are in 2024 with this.

[@Talisman18t]

My mom just bought a 2023 G70 a few months ago. We went shopping together and looked at Acuras and Audis and everything else. The G70 is what she fell in love with. For a hardcore enthusiast this may not check all the boxes but I think it's still very competitive for the casual luxury car buyer and still priced well under the competition.

[@retiredbees]

I felt the same way your mom did and bought one also! Very happy with it. There is a long waiting list for them in South Korea.

[@Irmocus]

Absolutely love driving my ‘23 3.3T Sport Prestige. Wish the dealership experience and service departments were better, but the car itself is phenomenal. Love driving it.

[@jacobprigmore1301]

It really feels like the sport sedan segment is two paths worth going: M340i for fun and engagement, and IS350/500 for comfortability and reliability. Sport sedans are my favorite type of vehicle, but it’s sad that so many manufacturers aren’t prioritizing them due to the modern wave of SUV attention. The G70 seems endemic of that

[@Centuari]

2022 G70 3.3 is a nice middle ground if you're looking for a reasonably priced option.

[@i.d.6492]

The 3.3T blows is350 out of the water. Is350 yes proven reliability but outdated interior, boring and slow driving experience, no brembos, even smaller trunk space and a leg room

[@postalpancho]

@@i.d.6492nah, BMW or Lexus is the best way to go. BMW clearly makes the best sports sedan but Lexus brings reliability into the equation. Hyundai has nothing to bring to the table other than being extremely cheap. Even Hyundai doesn’t think the g70 is a good car otherwise they would have attempted to make it better. Hyundai abandoned ship with the g70. Lexus at least believes in their cars that they continue to update them regularly.

[@gregorriusadolphus2729]

This car needs more love. It's stylish, in general very reliable compared to a lot of German sedans, and the interior hasn't been updated because they nailed it the first time-simple yet stylish. And its good they haven't changed the design. much....as you stated, Hyundai probably changes their designs TOO quickly....if you nail that styling right the first time, it will age. Even though I have a '23 G70 3.3t I'm not biased. It reminds me of my 2006 BMW 325i I had....great, small sports sedan. Not a lot of flash, just enjoyable to look at and drive everyday. Either engine is a good choice, the total package of the car makes it a great option, new OR used.

[@Chris.Davies]

I'm here in Seoul, and the tragedy of Korean cars is that their very best offferings are not available outside of the ROK. I have been fortunate to have been driven around in a variety of new and late model gas-powered, Hybrid, and EV cars made for the Korean market only. They are all stunningly good, and I have decided I will never buy a car made outside of Korea ever again. Turns out my Dad was right, but he was 30 years too early, when he got his Hyundai Lantra wagon in 1994 - that was a good car, but very basic. Honestly, being in Seoul is the closest thing you'll ever get to living in the future. It makes New York look and feel ugly, boring, dirty, and very dangerous. Everyone here is chilled, quiet, and super polite. No one is in a rush, and no one is aggressive in any way. If you have not been to Korea to experience this fantastic culture - you are missing out. Protip: Hyundai is pronounced "hyun" and "day" - two syllables only.

[@jthrelf]

2021 Stinger GT owner here (base model with V6) and for $38k Otd it was a great value. Not the most dynamic but enough for fun, and a great GT car for the price. Over $54k... Idk. But I bet there's plenty of room to negotiate.

[@ossBASHA]

Not sure, how it will age but I really like the exterior design of this G70. A manual would have been nice.

[@Mr-ed5ep]

I saw one in person and was very impressed. Its rhe first Genesis thats not an eye sore to me, and I actually like aestetically.

[@pontiacGXPfan]

there was a manual but only if you're content with the base engine

[@g60corrado91]

@@pontiacGXPfan yep, and that was the prior 2.0T I believe. Almost no one bought it so they axed it.

[@cardiacresp]

This is the second best car in its class after the M340i.

[@dannyferguson9415]

As a forgotten relic of the past, I resemble that remark.

[@gsxellence]

I love g70 and g80; I definitely would consider it pre-owned budget wise. the 2.0 isn't bad especially for commuting and work, but once you get used to the power you were wanting more. The V6 TT seems to be the way to go with AWD. The AwD is very good in this vehicle.

[@SlipAngleG70]

Why so negative? People love the G70. So much to offer and the 2.5T is a great upgrade from the previous motor. The amount of effort put into this video almost doesn't feel like it was worth posting. Tons of reviews on this car and the only negative one is right here... In fact - look at your own comment section. Almost universal love for the car... might want to reconsider your views.

[@stephenjablonsky1941]

Not everyone needs to go to the track so maybe they are OK with a car like this that is quiet, comfortable, and fast enough. When I was 20 I wanted cars that were crazy. Now I am 82 and would be happy to have one of these.

[@mach1man23]

I completely disagree with the 2.5T sentiment. I had a short-term 2.5T AWD Stinger Apex lease (basically this exact car), and my only complaint about the 2.5 is the sound. Mark handwaving $10k aside is out of touch with reality. This motor compares so favorably to the turbo 2.0s in the Germans, and the relatively weaker entry-level offerings from the Japanese luxury brands. I always enjoyed tossing the Stinger around. The 2.5 fit the character of the car so well that I couldn't understand why anyone would pay so much more for the V6. These cars are not performance cars and the value diminishes so quickly after the $50k price point.

[@hutch2142]

I have a 2021 Genesis G70 3.3 sport awd. Lease is up in two months and was very underwhelmed when I went to the dealership. The same car was now a solid 8k more, and you get new taillights/headlights, and a different screen shape. They've put no money into upgrading it, and I'm also not sure the local Genesis dealership is here long term. For that reason it's getting turned in. The positives: 33k miles with no issues mechanically. Drives well and is fun to drive. With snow tires it's passable in Midwest. At the time I did my deal, was the best bang for the buck out there. Negative: sport trim is prone to staining from car washes. They were replacing it under warranty initially, but then started to balk at it once they realized it was a problem. Local dealer didn't want to touch it under a warranty and acted like they'd never heard of it before. Underwhelming.

[@ccornett6664]

As someone going on 80 my '22 2.0 RWD has a lot more power than I'll ever need. You are right buying used is the way to go as I bought mine 11/23 with the prestige pkg for $30, 000 out the door with 22k on the clock. Very clean with new tires I believe it was a lease.

[@ZEPRATGERNODT]

I can’t even imagine buying a new car anymore…unless I had the funds to get something like a GT3 - value/fun/investment. You have to have a seriously good reason to buy a new car…especially with so many great cars from the mid 90’s to the mid 2000’s that can be restored, enjoyed and hold great value.

[@geoffreysimpson3286]

Leased a 2022 Genesis G70 AWD 3.3 Twin Turbo in the top trim listed at $53,990.00 in August 2021. It's a great car. Strong engine, 0 to 60 in 4.5 seconds. A far better interior than any of the German or Japanese competitors at the time. The BMW M340i was $10,000.00 more in 2021 equally equipped. I don't know why Savagegeese would even review the 2.5L 4 cyl G70. If you want a sports sedan and a V6 is available, who would buy the 4 cyl? The 2024 BMW M340i is till $10,000.00 more than the 3.3T G70, so I'll lease the Genesis again.

[@ARentz07]

I'd argue the 330i with its four cylinder is actually a great car. I mean, what other car gets 32 MPG combined while doing 0 to 60 in the low 5's? Granted, it is more expensive.

[@dfsdh432v9]

bit too shameless to drive fake bentley. IMHO

[@CharlesBojangles]

Maybe not everyone is of the "boy-racer" mindset, and just want an overall competent daily driver that looks good, has a nice interior, and has the right amount of pick-up when you need it. The four cylinders of today are nothing like those from two decades ago..

[@milkyy4168]

@@ARentz07M340i does 30+ mpg too if I recall correctly. Personally I’d get a used m340i over a new G70

[@milkyy4168]

Savage geese reviewed the 2.5t because they already reviewed the 3.3t and for 2024, the whole shpeal was the new 300 hp base engine. Of course he’s gonna review the only thing that changes… genesis fans are pulling straws here.

[@christopherrobins3338]

Just bought this (23' 3.3T Sport Prestige) coming out of a 22' Mustang GT and although I miss the exhaust note of the stang', this thing checks all the boxes. When that turbo kicks-in, this thing rockets and doesn't rly lose steam at the top end like one would think. I easily hit 120 and the engine responds effortless, very smooth. I like all the luxury bits, HUD, built-in NAV, leather seats, adaptive hands-free cruise control. Although the hands-free is not as refined. I had a BMW and while I would admit their build quality is tough to match, it's hard to not justify this vehicle for the value you receive. Can't wait to see what they do with their ultra-high performance division Magma!

[@DM72513]

This car needed the 300HP 4cylinder turbo the same year the Stinger got it back in 2022 MY. The 250 HP base motor was a no go at the price they were asking.

[@seannotaro473]

Best value proposition on the used market. These lose huge value rt off the lot. 2019's sell in the low 20's. Low miles too!

[@mattbrown942]

I got my 2019 2.0t with sport prestige package for 21k with 56k miles so yeah they can be cheap

[@jsks76905]

10 year US warranty to boot. Insane deal

[@jsks76905]

Balance of 10 year warranty for US. It's an insane value for used. BMW level of depreciation, Genesis warranty, pretty good at everything, and better than BMW reliability

[@rhiiine]

@@jsks76905 Is the 10-year warranty transferable? For Kia its only 10-years for the original buyer.

[@philhenderson3516]

@@jsks76905 10 year warranty only applies to first owners. 5 years / 60k from original registration applies when bought used.

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

When are you reviewing the Ioniq 5N?

[@jsandy44]

Probably now. Doing a deep dive and that takes time

[@Scypher0th]

when u can get one....no one cares about electric any more so electric production has crashed....hell we have 5 hyunda 5's and 6's on the lot for the last year+....no one outside of the communist state of California is buying them

[@dadelives1]

Exactly! We are waiting for a deep dive because everyone else didn’t cover everything including audio. I know they will!

[@jsandy44]

@@dadelives1 that is what they do best and I love them for that.

[@woocoheed]

A lot of these comments are identical. Of course most people wanting a sports sedan would get an m340i, but it’s $70k! Plus, a lot of the sporty beemers ride too rough even in comfort mode

[@layne4376]

I have an M340 and you are correct.

[@Hazdazos]

Didn't you hear Mark at about the 5:00 mark? You must be on a "shoestring budget" if you can only afford a $40 or 50k car. Shoestring budget! Talk about being out of touch. All car journalists are this clueless because they are given expensive cars for a week and never have to fork over their own money. So what do they care if a car is $40k or $80k? They ain't paying for it.

[@khaloof.m]

@@layne4376the powertrain is unbeatable tho

[@layne4376]

@@khaloof.m Yes indeed. But for up to $20K less, I think the G70 driver is okay with that.

[@Nick-tt2rh]

Sounds like a good time to do a review on the updated TLX A-Spec, Mark.

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

That conclusion is a friendly reminder to support the continued existence of enthusiast vehicles with BRAND NEW PURCHASES, unless you want them to just totally go away. A used purchase does not incentivize a manufacturer to do anything. If it sells 10k a year while their SUVs each sell 100k a year, they lose interest in producing a next generation, unless they really value having money-losing halo car products.

[@azalli]

In 2022 3.3T AWD for 45 and I think it’s competitive at that price

[@caglioso]

Only gripe is the cheaping out on the gauges and not giving us the full digital cluster that the other models get. For those prices we deserve the full digital! When you compare the 3d cluster to the half digital in the G70 it’s a huge disappointment.

[@MTNorville]

I like to imagine in another timeline, these cars would have sold so well it inspired Ford to make an Ecoboost sedan. We could have had something really special if emissions compliancy didn't dictate how companies allocate funds for future products.

[@Jay-zx1sg]

Vote correctly this season, defund the EPA

[@ryanfraley7113]

The market is picking SUV’s over sport sedan’s though. Even if all the CARB and EPA regulations were repealed tomorrow, nothing would change. The market keeps picking oversized SUV’s that get worse mileage and that’s with the regulations. What do you think will happen without?

[@alexanderryan1176]

For did make the Ford fusion sport, which had a turbo V6 in it.

[@Reubachi]

The vehicle you're talking about exists! The Mazdaspeed6 2.3 MZR DISI Turbo engine is what became/repatented as ford Ecoboost. (the non turbo MZR blocks are "duratec".) Otherwise directly from ford, the 2010s Focus STs used the same lower block (2.3 MZR DISI)

[@wccrispy]

Have we already forgotten that the Ford Taurus SHO was made as recently as 2019?

[@mattlittlej]

Everyone is still sleeping on the Giulia and that’s a damn shame

[@gregorriusadolphus2729]

I traded in my 2022 Giulia Veloce for a 23 G70 3.3TSport Prestige. I loved the Giulia but I had the stereotypical Alfa Rome experience....within 7 months and 10,000 miles (I bought it new with 35 miles) I had a burned out headlight, the backup camera worked intermittently, had some interior and exterior trim pieces snap off, and the brakes begin to squeal at 7,000 miles. I tried to hang on because I wanted one since they hit the US in 2017, but it was too much too soon. The G70 has been PERFECT so far.

[@SlipAngleG70]

@@gregorriusadolphus2729 How do they compare?

[@gregorriusadolphus2729]

@@SlipAngleG70 driving dynamics wise, NOTHINGGGGGG compares to the Giulia....it's truly the creme de la creme for sports sedans. The Giulia is 10/10; dthe G70 3.3t RWD I give an 8/10. But the fit and finish and quality on the G70 is light years beyond the Alfa....both are also equally visually appealing in person to me.

[@borkoman]

Even with the TTV6, it doesn't wake up and act like it should until you at least get a piggyback tune. Hyundai really put the constraints on this platform, but it does open up the door for some pretty impactful, low cost aftermarket work to be done.

[@acerimmer8338]

Yeah, they neutered the factory tune for warranty purposes.

[@ConfusedDesertCobra-kw9fc]

People say that about every car. And if you’re going to say that then you need to mention the BMW competition pushes 450 with an email tune

[@flybriur]

They have a 10 yr/100,000 mi warranty (at least in the US), so they had to make sure it was pretty reliable stock.

[@SlipAngleG70]

@@ConfusedDesertCobra-kw9fc The BMW competition is 20k more... for 1K, you get well over 450hp in a basic tune for the G70.

[@Spoolingturbski]

I drove one and thought it was engaging… but it doesn’t invoke passion or a feeling of belonging. If you want a sports car buy a bmw or MBZ

[@erimei8478]

Kudos to them for building a RWD platform, unlike the dorks over at Honda/Acura. I see a hell of a lot more of these than I do the new TLX.

[@TheBreakfastLover]

And despite the Genesis having a RWD platform, the TLX manhandled the G70 in MotorTrend's Figure-8 hot lap.

[@Eldaino999]

@@TheBreakfastLoverjust goes to show you folks will take rwd for the sake of, even if it isn’t as capable or feels better to drive.

[@TheBreakfastLover]

@@Eldaino999 you're right, the G70 isn't as capable or as dynamic of a handler

[@SlipAngleG70]

@@TheBreakfastLover Speaking of dorks.. The G70 used in that test was running the all season tire option. The Type-S was running the high performance summers. Type-S is a boat anchor with a fancy awd system that can't compensate for the huge front end weight.. 61/39 weight distribution lol..

[@SlipAngleG70]

@@Eldaino999 ..or maybe you need to fact check others comments. The G70 was running the optional all seasons. Type-S was running high performance summers.

[@sanglee7782]

It doesn't look too bad considering 2025 Camry SE is 33k nowadays

[@nickpapagiorgio2253]

and a CVT

[@journeyman291]

​@nickpapagiorgio2253 Actually, Toyotas are an E-CVT. Almost totally different than a cvt

[@nickpapagiorgio2253]

@@journeyman291 I will not buy anything CVT related

[@ruffmadman]

​@@nickpapagiorgio2253it's called a E-CVT, but there is no relation to an actual CVT. Toyota's hybrid E-CVT's have no belt or pulley system. It's just straight up gears.

[@nickpapagiorgio2253]

@@ruffmadman You learn something new everyday

[@nickc6882]

I waited a year for this car to be launched in Australia before buying my current car. When this car was announced in Australia, Genesis had said they would not build dealerships, eliminating that cost - great. They also said that the primary means of dealing with them would be an app - great. I knew i would buy a Stinger 3.3t or a G70 3.3t. so the question was what’s the price differential ? I expected the G70 would be c $10k more. Then genesis u turned on the dealerships and app and went legacy with their launch. Glass palaces of automotive consumption …. No benefit to me at all. The price was $30k more than the Stinger, which I bought. I’ve never looked at Genesis since. They launched a brand for the 20th century. Like you said, a relic of the past. The Stinger I have loved. As an all round, every day car, it’s been phenomenal. Quiet, quick, comfortable, reliable, fun when I want it to be fun, relaxing when I want it to be relaxing. I also think the Stinger is a relic of the past, but in the same way the early 90s Supra was. An affordable reminder of automotive fun.

[@nicholashersom2288]

He mentioned that vehicle fell short it's potential, but what's it missing exactly?

[@savagegeese]

Further chassis and suspension refinement. Better connection between front and rear of car, less delay in transitions and better more responsive drivetrain and stability control programming. Car still feels nerfed by it.

[@nicholashersom2288]

⁠@@savagegeeseThank you for getting back to me! Do you feel like this feedback applies for the 3.3T RWD version?

[@savagegeese]

@@nicholashersom2288 The 3.3 RWD makes up for so many problems because of power. While its not a fix its far more special to drive.

[@MrBuildAPC]

Greatly said. Car is a great in the $28k-$35k range. Not enough difference between a 2019 and a 2024 for it to be worth it to buy a new one. Buy a '19 and an EK1 mini2+ to get a ECU/TCU tune and it becomes a much better car.

[@aceofspades6667]

I love this vehicle and glad they haven’t changed much. Hopefully it’s about as reliable as it can be due to maturity.

[@GRAFHC]

I considered this car when shopping a while ago, if it still had a manual it'd have been a slam dunk.

[@timothycoyne5874]

I test drove a manual in the first generation G70, and it was just okay. I thought the manual would make the car feel sportier and more fun, but it really didn't. The car just felt heavy and more sedan-like than sports sedan, if that makes any sense. I really wanted to like that car, but it just wasn't for me. If Genesis had put a manual in the current car, maybe it would be different, but of course they never did.

[@GRAFHC]

@@timothycoyne5874 Yeah I can understand that, and it makes sense. I've never been all that impressed by the manuals in Hyundai products, the few I've tried before. But I was wanting one in this car just to help it stand out from the others I was cross shopping. Ultimately it may not have made enough of a difference anyway. Overall I'm impressed by the Genesis SUV line, but their sedans are kind of "meh" when I get behind the wheel. It's sad to hear the G70 is likely done after this year just the same.

[@jm-alan]

I was very close to buying this but ultimately decided on the TLX Type S because the looks did more for me irrespective of the performance difference. Even still, it's sad to see the V6 sedan stars winking out across the proverbial automotive galaxy.

[@atmartens]

Reliability wise the Acura was a much better choice.

[@hungson215]

Good choice, I planned to get one for my wife when the next gen came out. Hope Acura will add air suspension and a massage seat

[@henrybrandt1057]

A year ago I cross shopped the G70 and TLX Type S. Bought the Type S and am happy with it. A couple of practical issues with the G70 are tiny trunk and cramped back seat (the TLX is a slightly less cramped back seat). TLX can be optioned with a spare tire.

[@atmartens]

@@hungson215 As much as that would be great, I doubt they would. I'd be curious if there will even be a next generation.

[@MikeYurbasovich]

​@@henrybrandt1057same and went with the type s and don't regret it. The g70 has just a touch more oomph in a straight line, but the Acura is a much better drivers car for me.

[@synchack]

Get the 3.3T, chassis dynamics is excellent, but you need that extra power. Have a 2022 3.3 Sport myself.

[@LGBarnesIII]

Jack couldn't even be bothered to chime in on this one.

[@Mark-de4hj]

I'm so glad he didn't!

[@craigyirush3492]

Smart review. You are right, enthusiast cars are disappearing. Had a 2022 G70 with the 2.0. Agree, the engine was uninspiring. I'd say that the chassis was better than you claim. Very neutral and balanced at 7/10ths or 8/10ths. Also, G70 is really good looking imho. But I sold it for a new R/T Challenger with the Tremec. So much better to have a manual and an engine with makes a great sound and has some real character.

[@jordans5792]

Was just cross shopping this with the IS 350… I think I’ll still with Lexus. Thanks for the review

[@acerimmer8338]

The Lexus has better reliability and.... that's it.

[@aprtur]

​​@@acerimmer8338 better build quality, better ability to equip only what you want (G70 is package heavy), better residual value (if that matters to you), better suspension setup (double wishbone all around), and light years better dealer experience. I was considering a G70 heavily when I bought my IS, but the minor performance benefits on the G70 were not worth all the pitfalls to me.

[@rosgoncharuk2403]

@@acerimmer8338 way better service, way better handling. Not everything is about straight line acceleration.

[@jordans5792]

@@acerimmer8338 and fewer gimmicks, physical buttons, looks better, can get a NA V6 for the same price as this 2.5L turbo but yeah it’s 6 of one and 1/2 a dozen of the other

[@bb57365]

My son got the v6 AWD a few years ago. A lot of car for 50k. I considered this car, possibly with the new 2.5. I decided to spend more and go with the s3. Glad I did, great driving car with loads of style and tech.

[@povertyspec9651]

A lot of junk for 50k

[@bb57365]

🤡

[@canadianaviator]

Tell me ur a liberal without telling me that ur a liberal

[@Tech-Kino2685]

Currently have one in the family and absolutely love it

[@COVENANT_ENFORCER]

I have the 2019 3.3T Sport. For the price I got it at (36K CAD) I get way more than I paid for. I never get tired of gunning this off the light

[@romesrepublic]

Although i like my base 2022 G70 2.0, I think I'll be upgrading to the 3.3 in the future.

[@VisionCityMayor]

i definitely see what genesis is tryna do with the g70. the 2.0/2.5 is the equivalent to the base germans (330,c300,a4 2.0, TLX A,is300,q50, etc), while the 3.3T is the sport-lite equivalent (m340,c43,S4,TLX tS,is350f,q50s). it's definitely a decent alternative as far as cost and performance goes as i've seen these things tuned do crazy numbers, its just brand loyalty and reliability they gotta improve

[@timothycoyne5874]

You hit the nail on the head when you said Genesis was a great option when people wanted a reliable luxury car without paying German luxury car prices. Unfortunately, development on Genesis' models have stagnated, even while catching up to the Germans in pricing. I see some comments here already that say you can get deals off MSRP, so maybe Genesis is still competitive. But personally, I'd look at a comparably priced Lexus IS over the G70.

[@tototronic2]

It needs a performance-oriented hybrid drivetrain for the same $. If the G70 hybrid made 350hp and 35 mpg it would be more popular.

[@Hypnodog_]

I actually appreciate that it's somewhat untouched compared to BMW, I really don't like the design direction BMW took and it's bad enough that I don't want one despite how great they drive. I see the G70 as the only replacement remaining for my V6 Accord Coupe, as it is the only car with full feature parity (particularly LaneWatch). My main issue with the G70 is the gauge cluster, I think the half digital design is horrendous and Korea has had a full digital one since the car's debut. It really should be standard in the US already. It's also missing wireless Android Auto/Carplay. P.S. Genesis' new dealer design is a massive step up and I would say it decimates Audi, BMW, and Porsche, but I have yet to deal with the service dept so I can't speak to that yet.

[@blueshark3098]

The half digital cluster really isn't that bad, IMHO. You get used to it pretty quickly. I live with it when I drive my car on weekends. really like the lane watch camera

[@Mark-de4hj]

Glad to see you here solo for sure! Like I've said before, Hyundai was unprepared to enter the luxury car segment. There's more to the luxury car experience, (especially for people who are accustomed) than just wooing folks with bling. Their lack of luxury car infrastructure especially when trying to build cred, would be an absolute deal breaker for me. Hyundai/Genesis should focus their energies in building better mainstream cars first, like Toyota. This GV is a decent vehicle but most are obviously hesitant to sink their hard-earned cash in, and that's accounting for their low sales and steep depreciation.

[@Roddy451]

I like this... this thing. The market dictates, and we are surrounded by tall station wagons.

[@BigHeadClan]

Its kind of interesting to see how the G70 went the way of Infiniti with the Q50, where on release they had a solid product but then neglected their sport sedan to update their SUV entries. Now its tough to justify either unless you are getting a smoking deal on lease or are picking up a used example.

[@ZDY66666]

There was originally a reason to buy this before the rates went up, being that the leases were extremely cheap with lots of discounts and incentives. But it made it even more of a reason to get a G80 whcih was soooo cheap compared to a 5 series or E class lease. Nowadays, not really. Other than GV80, the branda lineup feels pointless compared to compwtition

[@wl2486]

I’ve driven all of the cars in this segment because I rent cars quite frequently. Because the cars aren’t mine I also take them to my favorite canyon road and absolutely hammer them. The genesis has the most sorted chassis for spirited driving (when comparing to the 4 cylinder competitors..). The only one that comes close to this is the Alfa Giulia. But in my experience, under spirited conditions, the brakes fade really quickly. So if all you care about is handling and steering, the Genesis is your car.

[@Talisman18t]

Yea the Alfa Giulia chassis is pretty incredible.

[@SlipAngleG70]

Interesting info. Is the Alfa better or worse?

[@drewyager4020]

That shirt. Very cool. Did you go to their concert??

[@danimintz8709]

You are the only car guys I’ve ever seen not be impressed with this whip. Assuming it’s you

[@raist315]

This is unfortunate. I wanted a G70, but couldn't afford one. And they just gave up on it.

[@i.d.6492]

They didn't give up on it. The vehicle is great and if it's not broken don't fix it. There's everything you'll ever need in a vehicle. G70 3.3T got it even 2.5

[@blueshark3098]

It's a pleasant car. I have a '23 3.3 Sport Prestige. If you are not someone who drives a variety of cars for a living, or if you don't have to have every bell and whistle found in luxury cars, I don't think you will find the V6 lacking. I can't comment on the 2.5 four liter. This car is a heavy (3,800 pounds in RWD) V6 sporty sedan. Don't expect the kind of engagement you would get in a lighter vehicle, or in a manual transmission vehicle. I find my 2013 manual 4 cylinder Accord lighter and much more engaging, but I like the sporty luxury experience of the G70 also.

[@mattbrown942]

I like my 2.0t but I wish I got a 330i. Was just worried about the expensive maintenance

[@ARentz07]

If you get a 330i new, maintenance is included for a while. The much better fuel economy in the 330i should help offset the costs of service anyway. Lol

[@mattbrown942]

@@ARentz07 New wasn’t an option for me haha, my 2.0t gets about 26 avg mpg on 50-50 highway to city driving so it’s pretty solid in that regard

[@CharlesBojangles]

I had a new 2022 G70 2.0T AWD Prestige model for a year and a half. Every other month I was bringing it in for warranty work for things like rattles, defective body trim, seat bubbling, rear deck gas struts going bad (twice), and other issues. A year ago I swapped it out for a BMW 430i Gran Coupe xDrive, and it has been drama free thus far. I've only been going to the dealer for scheduled maintenance.

[@mattbrown942]

@@CharlesBojangles If I wasn’t in a situation where maintenance costs wasn’t a concern I would get bmw easy. I’ve always loved bmw’s and will have one some day. My genesis has been problem free luckily and it better stay that way otherwise i’ll really regret not getting the 330i lol

[@ariellubonja7856]

I don't get why you would buy a bmw with a 4-cyl. Yes, they're the best 4cylinders around. But save a bit more and get an actually special engine

[@alemarba]

Look, I been a big fan of the G70, specially after the refresh... I almost bought one last December. The problem is that right know you really have an alternative. I got a very well expected Cadillac ct5 v 2024 for 53k... A much more practical and modern looking car. G70s and G80 run almost alone in their affordable luxory segment for years... But then wow, the CT4 and Ct5 make much more sense, build in Michigan... The G70 is a very though sell at retailer price. I agree it will be an excellent 2 year old car.

[@hkfan4596]

zero reason to buy this and many reasons not to. Read the forums. Awful Genesis service, like nonexistent. Weeks to get an appt. It's not cheap, nor is it as good as a B58 BMW or Lexus.

[@AKK5I]

Finally someone talking sense

[@paulinoclavijo-barahona8645]

The biggest problem with the G70 is that it’s a Hyundai. It will always be a Hyundai. Because of that it sucks, the experiences sucks, their service sucks, no matter how many big screens they throw and attach in their models. Imagine going to pay 53k+ for a G70 with the V6 at a Hyundai dealership. That is terrible. Genesis needs to separate from Hyundai more if it wishes to ever truly grow in my opinion and be considered luxury. Imagine buying your G80 at a sketchy ass Hyundai dealership.

[@Maljey]

NOTHING is as good as a B58 right now. What do you expect? Spec out a M340i with the same tech and features as this car. You are paying at least 10k to 15k more, which is not cheap. The G70 is better performing than the Lexus, with exception of IS500, which again will cost 10k+ more comparatively. Yall want BMW performance and Lexus build quality for a car that costs 10k less. It's a fantasy. You are going to compromise somewhere.

[@TermlessHGW]

Agreed. If you're like me, not sold on zie Germans mainly cuz of their poor reliability then there's no reason to not get a Lexus or Acura.

[@derekim75]

They put so much money into the designs cause that's the only thing they can hook people......

[@mattsoares608]

Man I wish they would make this car w/ the V6 and a manual in RWD. I think they could really find a niche that doesn't really exist anymore that would be enticing.

[@CyberSkunk90]

You could have at least reviewed the top of the line model. This car really shines in the top trim level with the sport prestige package. Reviewing the 2.5t version of this does not do it any justice. There are major differences and changes from the 3.3t and 2.5t version that go way beyond just the engine

[@Aki_Lesbrinco]

He's reviewing the 2.5, because that's the only change it's had. The V6 is unchanged, unlike the 4 cyl that was updated to the 2.5.

[@CyberSkunk90]

@@Aki_Lesbrinco there were several changes made on the 3.3t sport prestige. New rims, new ac control interface. New horn cover, new gear stalk, new start stop button, New emblems. New interior trim peices, rear-view mirror, ect. Some of those changes were also on the 2.5 but some of those changes only apply to the 3.3t.

[@JosephSLusk]

Wow, you guys roasted this car. I wish I understood how the TLX's 4 banger is better than the one in this. It makes way less power. I mean the TLX is downright slow with the 4 banger, and the car is so heavy the V6 isn't really all that competitive either. The interiors are basically the same size, although the TLX has a bigger trunk. I do agree, the used market is the best way to buy any of these cars if you aren't getting a good lease for a new one.

[@Aki_Lesbrinco]

Way less power? Doesn't it make like 275hp? In comparison to 300, I don't think that would qualify as "way less" power. It's less, but not by a huge amount.

[@niuhuskieguy]

Slow compared to what? I have an RDX with that 2.0t and slow is something it is not.

[@JosephSLusk]

Yeah, it's slow. Sorry for your loss.

[@JosephSLusk]

@@Aki_Lesbrinco Let me clarify then, the amount of power the TLX makes is insufficient considering how much it weighs. It's slower than a 2.0t Accord despite having more power and AWD.

[@turdzilla1675]

​@@niuhuskieguycompared to pretty much every car it competes with. Even the 2.0t previous gen Accord is faster. Lol

[@pmcotto7371]

Bring back the manual Coupe! I bought a used, first gen. 3.8, and I still have it. It's far from perfect, but it's fun. As a car enthusiast, it's sad to see front engine / rear drive platforms die out. Even BMW is moving towards "rear bias" AWD. I know cars like these aren't the most popular or profitable, but we all all lose when companies stop making these vehicles. RIP S2000...

[@ryanfraley7113]

What market does this car serve? I’m still not sure where this fits.

[@h.m.8589]

I think they are focused in separating normal daily driver models from the new Magma series versions. Since they announced that they will do a performance upgrade version of each Genesis model. I would think the G70 Magma will make an appearance if you want power and fun while the normal one is nerfed for comfort.

[@ronmuniz7856]

I absolutely love my 2022 Genesis G70. Not sure what that guy is smoking! 😅

[@ballathug8404]

Miss the days of naturally aspirsted V6s. Infinti G35, Lexus Is350, Bmw 330i etc. Now we get rolling deep freeze boxes with led lights

[@Aki_Lesbrinco]

What do you mean by deep freeze boxes?

[@JessePoage]

Is that Benny Greb in the intro music?

[@avocado9763]

Can any of the kia's or genisis be supercharged? How much can the 6 cyl handle power wise. I feel like all the muscle cars are junk especially mustang except GT500. Camaro very small inside and lots of blindspots. Help. Want sporty real fast. Thanks

[@Nick-tt2rh]

Buy the TLX. It’s a great bargain especially in the A-Spec trim. Fun to drive, luxurious, and reliable. Don’t ever buy a Hyundai/kia product they depreciate faster than a rock. Also - Would love to see you guys do a review of the 2024 TLX A-Spec with what was updated.

[@layne4376]

They really do depreciate fast. But they are a much better drive than the TLX.

[@blues03]

5:27 "It is a solid engine. At least performance wise".

[@MrChadder007]

That says it all. It’s still a Hyundai engine.

[@boredashell666666]

"not inspiring." If only you saw my buddies face when we gapped a gt while our butts were cooled in stitched leather.

[@Hardcaslte]

Maybe I'm completely out of touch on what sports cars can do now, but I have a G70 3.3t Prestige AWD with eibach springs, sway bars, and the Takeda cold air intakes. The thing rips. I know I'm talking about a modified version, I personally have no idea how this would compare to an M340i, but I do know that even with the extras it's still like $10K cheaper than an M340i and I have more features included. And yes it's personal preference, but I like how it looks on the exterior and the interior way better. All of that said, even on the stock all season tires, I was able to make myself car sick at Tail of the Drag. Something I've never done before in my life. Another day driving on a different North Carolina road I kept up with three 996 Porsches, again using stock Primacy all seasons. I plan on putting on some Pilot Sport All Season tires on it, other than that it really doesn't need anything. I thought about doing a LAP3 ECU tune, but after driving it in the mountains full blast I think the ECU tune might even be too much. If all you care about is 0-60, then get an ECU tune. With the Takeda cold air intakes you're already making around 390hp, and the eibach suspension keeps it super flat through corners.

[@devn3813]

Charging $58,000 for this car before tax when it is honestly getting outdated is insane. It is a shame we’re pretty much forced into crossovers now.

[@aprtur]

Depending on who you are and how you view it, "outdated" is a plus. The only bummer is that they never did a true performance version of this car, which could've been fantastic. It feels like they wanted to go up against the Q50 Red Sport, but stopped just short of beating it.

[@boboiboy9350]

I’d rather forced into crossovers than EVs

[@Mr-ed5ep]

The marlet determines whats being made. I think the macro economics of the country is playing a bigger role than the trend to SUVs.

[@GanjaPimp777]

Hey nice 'Cannons' shirt! LOVE that band!

[@macaron3141592653]

The four cylinder here does still make sense. Maybe alot of buyers want good performance without the noise and drama.

[@flybriur]

Other reviewers also said the reduced weight in the front compared to having the 3.3TT also make it nimbler.

[@Jay-zx1sg]

4cyls are garbage. Can't wait until we bring back the 8cyls

[@cpg8000]

@@Jay-zx1sg🤦🏻‍♂️

[@artramirez6887]

The suspension is tuned more for sport than comfort. You need the 3.3T engine on this to get the best value and the best out of it as a sports sedan. If you're looking more for a luxurious, comfortable and quiet ride with four cylinder engine, I'd go a different direction.

[@MrWuggles]

I feel like in the spirit of the G70 being left alone and doing poorly, I would like the guys to revisit the Mazda CX-5 for an example of a car largely left alone, but still doing well.