Save The Manuals! BMW M3 vs Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing

[@hieuluu2]

In our Multiverse, a Cadillac is offered with a manual and a Corvette only available with an automatic.

[@motomarmot6544]

😂😂😂

[@sebastianromero420]

I think you mean 🤡 world

[@shenton18]

How crazy right. . I just dint get why they nit listening to their customers

[@Eminim97]

​@@shenton18 they did. Corvettes are for old people and the ct5 blackwing isnt. Old people dont wanna shift anymore and why would gm chsnge their audience with the corvette when they already have the younger audience with cadillac

[@Digiphex]

@@Eminim97 I know lots of 70-80 year olds with a Caddy and absolutely no young people. They all want a Tesla, BMW or Japanese tuner. I'm in North Carolina so that could change things a bit depending on where you live.

[@patrickdgarez86]

As a yank, it has become a true pleasure to finally enjoy British and Euro videos featuring our cars as genuine competitors. Gone are the days of "yes but it will cry when it sees a corner" jokes. Our roads require extra "plushness", so the extra weight is understandable. Our fuel, thank f### is so much cheaper than what is paid across the pond, so a fat, heavier and lazier, V8 is possible. Never in a million years did I think I would see the day when American sports sedans would have more manual options than found in Europe. Very much enjoying your shenanigans on this side of the divide. Hats off.

[@corystansbury]

Based on other BMW engine weights I've seen...I wouldn't be shocked if the B58 and LT4 are pretty close in weight, especially if the whole intake, cooling, and exhaust systems were laid out. The BMW 6s are sizable, especially the newer valvetronic engines. Only B58 weight I can find appears to be some incomplete definition (short or long block) with no details.

[@fasteddie2gogg]

So true

[@melondoc]

I found the fact that it got soundly "beaten" by a base M3 in this review pretty savage considering the 5BW's advantages in power and braking, MRC/PTM and the fact it was built and benchmarked to compete with M5 CS. The impression I took away is that it drives a bit like a European would expect an American car to drive on track - think Hellcat or a Challenger - i.e. boaty, difficult to control, bad handling. I can only assume Jethro was having an off day, doesn't much care for the blackwing, or most of the other reviews I've seen/read about it are wrong.

[@BrHH772]

Did you see LS/LT based family irl? They're tiny, like literally tiny. Especially compared to giant wall of a straight six in BMW, with 1/3 of the car length. And check the weight as well. You'd surprised. No need to comment on lazier, you clearly have no idea how lazy turbo crap feels on the track compared to n/a V8.

[@BrHH772]

@@melondoc it's the only review with such a weird result, and they made it clear that no proper track test methodologies were used. 5BW will destroy any bmw in existense on a racetrack (kinda obvious), short of m4 csl.

[@jasong3283]

ct4v blackwing woulda been a more fair comparison

[@G82Watts]

They just needed a m3 competition honestly. The new gen BMWs are insane just watch Sam Carlegion m3 vs ct4 blackwing. Ct5 blackwing runs a 11.7 quarter mile which is terrible. Bmw m3 xdrive runs a 11.0 quarter mile and 2.8 sec 0-60 (via Sam Car Legion video camaro zl1 vs m3 vs alfa rameo) That was on a non drag strip aswell. End of the day this base model m3 lost by .50th of a second obv the m3 comp would win on the track and a straight. Caddy sounds great though fun car forsure!

[@post-leftluddite]

@@G82Watts Hagerty did a video on the CT5-V Blackwing and raced it against the M5 CS, and the Blackwing BEAT IT around the track....so don't even try

[@fikes73]

I prefer that car over both of these

[@philipparana9225]

Ct4v B can be had mid 60s Off the lot. Ct5v B is nice just not in anywat worth double.

[@kirkrobinson4893]

Ct4-V still spank it

[@post-leftluddite]

If I won the lottery the CT5-V Blackwing would be my daily

[@carbonm2]

Get your money up and buy it out right. Or better yet go back to playing Forza and dreaming about it

[@313soldier313]

F this guy above me. Keep dreaming buddy. I have one and it all began as a dream. Keep working hard and make it come true.

[@EliteOnTheBeat]

@@313soldier313 THATS right homie! The youtube community needs more positive users like YOU!! 👏🔥👏🔥Instead of trolls with broke mindsets and probably broke bank accounts like the guy above you. 🤣 BTW i see soldier in you're name, If you served our country, Thank you for you're service sir. 🙏

[@313soldier313]

@@EliteOnTheBeat 🤝 absolutely man. I’m constantly approached by the younger generation who just want a glimpse at their dream cars. If I had someone treat me bad as a kid I would’ve never developed the passion for cars that I have now. It’s all love. Thank you!

[@Yosh1az]

​@@313soldier313 yeah, its free to dream and everything starts on dreams

[@simonmorty8344]

Great to have Jethro on TG! Great summary at the end and it takes a real driver to be able to drift well in a manual car. Just need to get Harris on board, as i really think Jethro, Harris and Jack would work great together and bring a much needed revamp to TG that has been missijg for a long time!

[@antonakis79ohyes]

Jethro is my favourite presenter, by far. Thanks, TG!

[@malcolmar]

Well done and well said! BTW Jethro, that was some mighty fine driving. The Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing is someting special. It will be missed when it is gone :(

[@CACressida]

As a GM hater, I'll gladly take that caddy. Gorgeous car.

[@ShariaLawAllDay]

You must be a Fix Or Repair Daily lover. Damn that garbage. GM takes a big dump on the Blue Oval.

[@CACressida]

@@ShariaLawAllDay considering my TOYOTA FJ is in my profile pic, NO I don't own Ford products.

[@ShariaLawAllDay]

@@CACressida Oh crap my bad. Should have seen it. And should have paid attention you're a Cressida fan. That's the best sedan ever made by Toyota I gotta admit.

[@ssnerd583]

@@ShariaLawAllDay .....how about a heavily turbo'd 1JZ in a SC300??? yeah.

[@Eminim97]

Sorry to burst your bubble but cadillac is gm lmfao. How do you think they can put the corvette engine in the car? 😂 you dont hate any vehicle brand cause you dont know them lol. Tyoical toyota lover though doesnt know anything about vehicles 😂 thinks a garbage vehicle is good

[@TheMichaelBeck]

Best anti-theft device, a manual transmission. Cheers from America!

[@Konformation07]

Tell that to Civic owners

[@bvedant]

I could probably count on one hand the number of cars we get here with a manual for under 50

[@rafaminus5366]

I love Bmw but that Cady is impressive 🎉🎉🎉

[@RichardJones-kx6mb]

Thanks for remembering why we like cars. It’s not all about speed. For miles per smiles, nothing beats a manual. Most of us aren’t going to track our cars. We are going to get those bits of road where we can run through a few gears and take a long while for our smiles to fade.

[@LawnMower-jv8hg]

Well said. Unfortunately, less and less people are becoming interested in automotive culture. People praise electric vehicles just for the pure torque and speed it offers, but that's all it has. You step on the pedal and go. No sound, no manual, no fun.

[@Lemingtona-x5g]

in reality people have to drive through traffic where the manual sucks

[@jijokoshyksjijo3989]

​@@Lemingtona-x5g Those people can have EVs😊

[@Lemingtona-x5g]

@@jijokoshyksjijo3989 everyone will have EV soon

[@jijokoshyksjijo3989]

@@Lemingtona-x5g no thanks. ❤️

[@wilmara24]

I find it hilarious that they mention price differences when it not in favor of euro. They always compare a 50k American sports car to a 150k euro car and act surprised that the interior isn’t as nice or it doesn’t have whatever new gadgets.

[@hertzwave8001]

trying to import said american car bumps up the price to something like 120k, still not really a fair comparison whenever it happens though yes

[@ChadGyabin]

M3 not 150K

[@Lemingtona-x5g]

German brands make good interior but rest of the car falls apart certainly aint no Toyota for quality

[@derbigpr500]

They cost about the same. A Cadillac in Europe would be more expensive.

[@derbigpr500]

@@Lemingtona-x5g Really? Which part of a German car falls apart? It's hilarious how your opinion is the exact opposite of the facts. Germans make by far the most durable car that take abuse others can't .Track them and you'll see why. Toyots? They are the ones that fall apart and can't handle any abuse.

[@mumbachabwe8881]

Indeed, we need to save the manual, it's by far the best transmission system ever!!!!

[@VinceCannavaII]

As humanity struggles to use the blinker reliably, and would rather be surfing their phones while driving instead of driving, I'm concerned that in the name of "safety" humans won't be allowed to drive within a generation, let alone experience the joy of a manual transmission on the road...

[@lucwijngaard8413]

​@@VinceCannavaIIgood point, I think a manual forces you to adopt a more active driving style. So maybe people will pay more attention to the road and less to their phones when driving a manual!

[@unowen-nh9ov]

Not according to F1, Ferrari or BMW.

[@Lemingtona-x5g]

Tesla is the future

[@waterbnb7204]

​@@Lemingtona-x5gfuture of driving attitude failure

[@michaelallen2501]

Dual clutch is great for setting fast and consistent lap times. I don't do that. I drive to work and around some back roads for fun. And in those 2 environments, the manual is king. I dont need a coffee cup light on the dash and cameras watching my eyes to keep me engaged to the car and the traffic around me. I have a job to do. And on the back roads I get a real connection to the car. An analog and symbiotic relationship. Like a fine watch with a soul inside, running the show.

[@the_track_enthusiast]

Why would you not use the CT4V? This is like comparing an M5 to an M4

[@joelpeterson2074]

A few things here. 1) Please contact Thomas Holland at Throttle House for some drifting lessons 2) What a great video that conclusively proves the superiority of the manual gearbox 3) either of these cars is the stuff of dreams that are probably not long for the world and 4) that Maverick Tremor is really all the truck that 99% of the world needs, maybe more than enough honestly.

[@gettcouped]

I love how you showed the failed attempts. Really shows how difficult sliding is! Fun Fun time

[@ssnerd583]

'drifting' is a joke on everybody but the tire manufacturers.....a BAD joke

[@gettcouped]

It really is amazing that the best super sedan of all time is a Caddy. 😮

[@Top_g80comp]

Never was not ever will be 😂

[@Luckimee]

How is that a surprise aren't they known for that going back since the 60s?

[@Turbo329]

CT5V is faster around the track but the M3 is the better track car. :D haha ok. Got it!

[@kylelee8685]

Yep bunch of bias euro f##

[@bionicanimatronicfox5959]

It’s quite remarkable that the CT5-V Blackwing outperforms the M5 CS on the track. This really highlights the disparity in Top Gear’s reviews of American cars, often labeling them as ‘heavy’ and favoring the M3 as a superior track car - a view not commonly shared by other automotive channels. Moreover, it’s surprising that they overlook the exceptional transmission and chassis tuning of the Blackwing, which usually receives high praise elsewhere

[@yatishsharma8632]

Why no Chris Harris for this long..☹️

[@Odinthegiantdog]

Without him this is dead so boring

[@lukepodolski8818]

Big boss is enjoying his holiday time off..lol😂

[@minibus1351]

He quit, btw. He announced it I believe.

[@kylepasta]

Because the world doesn't revolve around him

[@stimproid]

You get the manual back when you can say "H" properly.

[@Thacardoctor]

😂

[@vision2002]

Obviously the CT4 is the competition for the M3....

[@Kamran1025]

In which the M3 would crush it in anything

[@castroalves8843]

@@Kamran1025 preconceptions...

[@post-leftluddite]

The CT4-V Blackwing is $16,000 cheaper than an M3, so would it really be the competition? Price is what determines what two items compete...oh, and Hagerty did a video on the CT5-V Blackwing and put it up against the M5 CS and the blackwing beat it around the track, so just to stop this little "argument" now

[@MrSuperflydude]

The ct4 is almost 20k less expensive than an m3...

[@BrHH772]

@@Kamran1025 1 sec on a 3 minute race course is not exactly "crushing" considering huge power difference in favor of M3 (real power difference, m3 is hugely underestimated). On the straight line yes, bmw is the king. Eurocars are consistently faster in a straight lines and slower in the corners for the past 10+ years.

[@DeeperImageAutomotive]

The CT4-V BW is the competitor to the M4/3. The CT5-V is for the M5. Kind of an unfair comparison to a more nimble and lighter M3 on a really short track. Rigged as always to show the Euro cars not getting whipped.

[@post-leftluddite]

Ahh, a BMW fanboy taking it personally, how cute....well, then watch Hagerty's video on the CT5-V Blackwing, they put it up against the M5 CS and it BEATS the M5 CS around the track when driven by the SAME professional driver

[@vladislavdimitrov4646]

​@@post-leftludditeMaybe you take this quite personally by replying the same thing under every comment.

[@aaronvector4750]

@@post-leftluddite The dude you're replying to is obviously an American car fan. You should try reading the comments before picking unnecessary battles.

[@G82Watts]

That Hagerty one min lap means nothing the m5cs lost by milliseconds and smoked it in the dragrace. U realize the m3 and m4 competitions are faster and more nimble around a track then the m5cs... I wish Cadillac had the balls to post a nurumbring lap time. They would've by now if it performed better then it direct competitor BMW M cars. The m5cs is old news the new gen m5 comes out early next year. Keep in mind even the m5cs beat the ct5 black wing by a bus length in the Hargerty Drag race. CT5 blackwing- 11.7 quarter mile Bmw m3Cxdrive-11.0 Bmw m3 Cs 10.8 Bmw m4C xdrive 11.0 This BASE model m3 lost by half a second and the dude even said the m3 felt better around the track 8:42 I have neither but the BMW is the better car.

[@Lozie26]

@@G82Wattswhat does quarter mile time have to do with any of this exactly? 3 Awd cars have a faster 1/4 than a Rwd car!!!?? Water is wet. The viper acr also does an 11.7 1/4 and it would destroy all of them on any track.

[@orbeengaapine2740]

This is a holy grail among manual transmission sedans especially at a crucial time like this when the glory days of the car industry are slipping behind us...and to this think this gem would come out from America. Thankful.

[@brandodurham]

The G80 is an absolute drift machine. It’s like a racing quad in terms of ease and predictability while sliding about at any speed

[@rdramos13]

The Genesis?

[@brandodurham]

@@rdramos13 lol m3

[@Slowwagonftl]

@@rdramos13G80 is the chassis code for the current gen M3

[@키루조리모]

💩

[@M5tubee]

@@rdramos13😂😂

[@1stGenStunter]

The pain was obvious when you had to praise the Cadillac. It felt sooo heavy through the corners and underpowered on the straight but it lapped faster. Then you couldn't even control the non-comp M3 but the BIG 'OL Cadi had you grinning like a Ches cat during the drifts

[@fzr1000981]

Underpowered? 570 vs 505 rwhp on a dyno (actually 505 is the comp)

[@ALMX5DP]

Gotta say, Maverick cornered pretty flat around there. That Tremor model looks like a pretty cool choice for a track safety truck. :P

[@1SaG]

There are certain types of cars where an auto-box is preferable - an M3 is not that type of car. As good as modern double-clutch affairs have become, and as nice as an auto is in city-driving or stop-and-go traffic, they'll never let you feel as involved with the driving as a manual. And that's a general problem with cars, these days, IMO: They've all become way more detached from the sensation of driving. The rise of the modern automatics is one factor here, the switch to electric power-steering is another. Just like with the autos, it doesn't matter how good electric power-steering has become, it'll never let you feel the car like a hydraulic system. The best option in this regard would be a car with *no* assisted steering and a properly sorted steering/front axle - like a Lotus Elise/Exige. The difference in feel between unaided and electric is about a large as the difference between sex with or without a condom.

[@lovelehstuff]

Jethro on top gear, i can rest now 😭

[@kellybanks3717]

This illustrates perfectly why manuals are better and it's because they require more of you as a driver. Hitting that 2-3 upshift is easy with knowledge and practice. This also highlights that power sliding is one component of drifting.

[@trell1011]

Why not the CT4 V Blackwing?

[@post-leftluddite]

Well, here's a surprise, a BMW fan taking it personally....well, just to let you know, Hagerty did a video on the CT5-V Blackwing and raced it against the M5 CS and the blackwing won, so don't even try

[@Yukon6255]

As someone who's owned an Camaro SS, ATS-V, and CT4-V BW, and now driving a G80 M3, the BMW is by far the better overall package and faster on the track. Not sure what video you were watching but the M3 competing with a car above its class in power and price, this was an absolute win for M3. Maybe stop obsessing about BMW fanboys and just ask one out for dinner you tool.... BTW I love how the driver of the 5BW says he nailed the drift, which was impressive but you drove up on the dirt and and sand blasted that beautiful blue paint, hopefully it's PPF'd...

[@aaronvector4750]

@@Yukon6255 no, don't get it wrong, the BMW is easier to drive fast, and hence would be quicker in the hands of an amateur, but the Caddilacs have higher limits. The times were only close because it was a 1 lap no warmup session. If they had a warmup lap then 2 hotlaps, Jethrow would've gotten accustomed to the caddy and it would be seconds ahead of the BMW. The camaro SS 1LE is the fastest car in that segment and often chews on corvettes and even supercars.

[@gmain1977]

​@@Yukon6255BMWs are boring

[@trell1011]

@@Yukon6255 BMW had to come out with the competition package because the ATS V was a superior car to the M3 AND M4 of the same year.

[@jamiegoddard1899]

Surely the CT4 Blackwing is a more natural competitor for the M3?

[@post-leftluddite]

Are you suggesting the M5 would beat the CT5-V Blackwing? Because Hagerty did a video comparing it to the M5 CS and the blackwing won

[@jamiegoddard1899]

@@post-leftluddite no, I am saying the M5 sized CT5 is a massive over match for the CT4 sized M3. Yes I made the reply complicated on purpose😜

[@aaronvector4750]

Yes, it is, and it would probably be quicker than the CT5 V BW in this 1 lap no warmup battle.

[@G82Watts]

Chinese Chezang Circuit is the only real track that these cars have raced and the m3/m4 beat it. The m4 GTS and m4 CSL also where ahead. That small little Hagery 1 minute track proves nothing. I wish Cadillac had the balls to post a nurumbring lap time. They would've by now if it performed better then it direct competitor BMW M cars. Ur the 2nd comment ive seen saying it beat the m5cs u are aware the new gen bmw m3 and m4 are faster and more nimble around the track? The m5cs is old news the new gen m5 comes out early next year. Keep in mind even the m5cs beat the ct5 black wing by a bus length in the Hargerty Drag race. CT5 blackwing- 11.7 quarter mile Bmw m3 xdrive-11.3 Bmw m3 Cs 11.0 Bmw m4 xdrive 11.3 This base model m3 lost by half a second and the dude even said the m3 felt better around the track 8:42 I have neither but the BMW is the better car.

[@derbigpr500]

@@post-leftluddite The M5 is a better car. Cadillacs need significant extra power to be as quick. Lap times don't matter in this case, especially the Hagerty one, which is a stupid track with a configuration that proves nothing, and favors power and straight line speed, the M3 is a better drivers car and a better car full stop.

[@leukybear]

M3 swinging above and still able to hang above its weightclass

[@Sir.VicsMasher]

5:40 You can option the M Carbon Bucket Seats and M Carbon Ceramic Brakes on the base non-competition package model with the manual.🎓

[@melondoc]

Hm... Hagerty had the CT5 Blackwing lap faster than an M5 ... CS ... not saying Jethro's sandbagging but I was quite surprised how close it was to the base M3.

[@G82Watts]

Ur the 2nd comment ive seen saying it beat the m5cs u are aware the new gen bmw m3 and m4 are faster and more nimble around the track? The m5cs is old news the new gen m5 comes out early next year. Keep in mind even the m5cs beat the ct5 black wing by a bus length in the Hargerty Drag race. CT5 blackwing- 11.7 quarter mile 4 Bmw m3 xdrive-11.0 , 0-60 2.8sec Bmw m3 Cs 10.8 Bmw m4 xdrive 11.0 This BASE model m3 lost by half a second and the dude even said the m3 felt better around the track 8:42 I have neither but the BMW is the better car.

[@thedumbconspirator4956]

​@@G82Watts Hagerty did race the M5 CS, CT5V BW, and the Model S plaid around a "real track" the track is called Willow springs Raceway. It's a shorter track, but it still has its fair share of hard corners and apexes, and straights so as far as I'm concerned it's a "real track" on which the ct5 blackwing fairly beat the M5 CS and lost to the Model S. All three were driven on the same day (same conditions) by the same racing driver, Randy Pobst. So this is as fair of a showdown as it gets. As for the "Chezang" circuit, I looked that up and got no results at all. So I'm not sure if you misspelled that for Zhejiang Circuit, but I can't find that track.

[@thedumbconspirator4956]

@@G82Watts The caddy isn't about tenths of a second on track or quarter mile times, it's about fun and driver engagement. If you watch the Hagerty vid to completion that's what they mention about the Blackwing. It's a 668 hp RWD car and on an unprepped track it will suffer. If you care about all out performance in a four door package, I'd go for the Model S plaid over any BMW. That was another car that Hagerty reviewed, put 6 bus lengths between it and the BMW M5 CS completing the quarter mile in 9.3 seconds. Even on the Nurburgring it holds the record for the fastest production 4 door vehicle to lap the Nurburgring beating out all of BMW, Mercedes, and Porsches 4 door offerings including M5 CS, GT63, Panamera, taycan, M3, M3 Comp etc. My point is electrics like the Tesla plaid win in performance. The caddy is all about manual supercharged RWD V8 fun that BMW or no other European make offers. The turbo 3L 6 and the biturbo V8s maybe fast, but it's characterless and boring...especially compared to the glorious RWD supercharged V8s that power the CT5V Blackwing. Blackwing also looks much better and meaner than the overstyled garbage that BMW seems content with.

[@thedumbconspirator4956]

@@G82Watts BMW CSL and CS cars are about as far from comfort at you can get. They're specially designed for track use and their suspensions stiff and their ride is harsh and their seats are far too uncomfortable and grippy. CT5V is a street car that rides a lot comfier and it's suspension is also set up that way and is much smoother and comfortable compared to the CS/CSL stuff.

[@G82Watts]

​@@thedumbconspirator4956 no one would see a ct5 blackwing and think it looks meaner the a m4 CSL. Type in ritta rides m4 CSL review. 😂 If u add an adro grille,Vorstiener, or CSL grille to the new bmw m3 or m4 it looks aggresive af. Look up adro g82 blue m4 competition. I agree the OG grille makes it ugly but u just gotta add a new grille and its fire. I personally like the adro grille. The caddy looks like a luxury sedan from the front and side. Unless ur behind it u would have no idea its fast. Nothing looks mean about it. It looks like a Cadillac the BMW headlights alone make it look more aggresive then a single light going down the side of the car. Caddy looks like it's crying lol. This guy said get a TESLA. LMFAO. I thought we were talking about cars. Nothing about being inside a tesla feels special. U don't get bucket seats,carbon fiber,ventilated seats,HUD,360 cam,sport steering wheel that feels like good quality,etc.. it doesn't feel like a luxury sports car or a luxury car. It's just blah. Real luxury sports cars are an experience to just cruise around in. I'd get the blackwing anyday over that. Nothing about a tesla is headturning. Even the exterior is just as dull and boring. Them shits look like basic traffic.

[@thomasjrinnus9935]

Fun fact: the Maverick Tremor shares the awd system with the Focus RS. So a bit of software tweaking.....

[@smohan123]

He almost stalled the caddy off the line in the drag race loooooooool

[@esrakavetu2286]

In Africa, most cars were manuals, Stick shift but now automatics are taking over, especially with higher-end vehicles.

[@DonLee1980]

Manual gearboxes are probably better for NA and supercharged engines. The act of completely going off-throttle to change gear makes a turbo car lose a lot of steam between shifts, having to lose boost and taking time to get it back up. If both cars were auto, I think the M3 might have set the faster time.

[@MrPetertad]

Manual gear box is the best!

[@MrLense]

Yeah this is weird, the Americans also get a Manual Golf R Mk8 and we don't in the UK. I hope anyone buying the new M2's please get a manual box so us car guys can afford one in a few years.

[@joetz1]

It’s all based on supply and demand. The manuals are available in the US because the customers demand it

[@mobinmobaseri]

I love that Cady. It is a satisfying sensation that you cannot replicate with anything else. God bless American muscle cars!

[@KingT-Henry]

With everything going electric yes please save the manual 😢😢

[@automandan]

Jethro and Chris are really the only ones keeping Top Gear alive. However, it's still not the same without Jeremy Clarkson, James May, and Richard Hammon.

[@ryalsandrew]

It’s been like eight years man. I think this comment has been made enough time to this point.

[@duffydon1741]

@@ryalsandrewso??

[@undefeatedgaul3201]

It’s absolute garbage now

[@stratostsompanellis4211]

I'll take the Caddy over the Big Money Waste any day

[@hoonaticbloggs5402]

That third pedal is essential.

[@DMW23]

As of this writing, a CT4-V Blackwing starts at $63,590. The M3 starting at $76,000. That is a $12,410 difference. The CT5-V Blackwing starts at $94,890, which is $18,890 MORE than the M3. So yes, the CT4-V and M3 do indeed compete with each other. Not just with size but closer to pricing as well.

[@mrpmj00]

Cadillac for me with the distinctive vertical lights No buckteeth BMW for me.

[@sixmillbaby]

Cute video but shoulda ditched the truck and compared manual M3 and CT4 vs. auto M3 Comp and Auto CT5

[@justinpino8115]

Shoulda

[@EliteOnTheBeat]

I use to GAP m3's in my bone stock Cadillac ATS 2.0T .... The ATS-V its bigger brother will GAP a M4. Schmitty has done tunes on ATS-V with no mods and turned the car into a 10 second car....There not ONE bmw thats bone stock with only a tune running 10 seconds in the 1/4 so just stop it. And the blackwing....thats a whole another animal. But first you need to realize that GM doesn't show the actual power numbers of the V's so they decrease the V's numbers so they can continue to maximize corvette sales. After all who would want to buy a 2 door car when a 4 door car can do the same thing performance wise?!?! The blackwing is not only QUICKER but also FASTER than the M5 CS. The M5 CS does 0-60 in 3.3 seconds.... The blackwing does 0-60 in 3 seconds.... The top speed of the M5 Cs is 190...The top speed of the Blackwing is 200+!! Additionally the BMW ONLY has 627 HP with a TINY 553 LBs of torque. The blackwing however has 668HP and 659 LB of torque. THATS over 100+ more torque BONE STOCK than the M5 CS! LOL. Finally the M5 CS is $60K more.....So just IMAGINE someone dumping 60K in mods into a blackwing thats already QUICKER/FASTER than a BMW M5 CS to begin with. Finally... the Blackwing has a magnetic suspension 4.0 which again is superior to the adaptive m suspension.

[@sixmillbaby]

@@EliteOnTheBeat I had a 2015 ATS 2.0 and I’m sorry, the only M3 you’re “ gapping” is an e30, maybe e36 stock. Not only have I owned the caddy, I’ve also owned an e46 m3, F80 M3 and currently a G80 so I’ve got enough M experience and ownership call BS on this claim. Also your comment about the CS is a pretty bold take as well but I won’t go there... Either way, my comment wasn’t intended to criticize the amazing CT5 Blackwing (I’d love one); I was just saying a base manual m3 and manual CT4-V Blackwing vs. their auto big brothers would have made a more interesting auto vs. manual comparison.

[@marcasswellbmd6922]

The gearing is so much more important than most people realize.. Most PPL are always looking at HP and 0-60 number's.. Granted that's all important But the transmissions have become more important and expensive than some motor's these days. PPL today have no idea just how good they have it when it comes to performance.. Not to sound old but it's true.. In the 70's, 80's, and the 90's even We had to go with manuals to get the power down..

[@GT-OD]

Let’s pretend like the CT5v didn’t have a bad start at 2:56 yet mysteriously caught the M3 and won.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. GM definitely paid to be the winner like they did with Motor Trend.

[@gene7314]

It has almost 200HP more than the M3.

[@nomsi4263]

I want that CT5 Black wing so bad. Why can't we have it in tje UK 😢

[@hoonaticbloggs5402]

Import one

[@nomsi4263]

@@hoonaticbloggs5402 not that simple. I wouldn't even know where to start. Also, I am not that used to left hand drive.

[@hoonaticbloggs5402]

@@nomsi4263 1. Buy one from a dealer in us. 2. Arrange shipping 3. Pay import taxes. 4. Arrange IVA test (if necessary) 5. Register vehicle. People import vehicles from other markets all the time. In fact there are companies that will do it for you if you got the money. It’s a nice car for sure but I can’t afford one.

[@Luckimee]

​@@nomsi4263 contact the dealer and find out. You're making excuses

[@regal022]

Why not using a CT4-V? CT5-V is meant to go head to head with an M5CS, not the base model M3 (with less than 500hp)

[@post-leftluddite]

Well, Hagerty did a video where it put the Blackwing against the M5 CS and it BEAT the M5 CS....sorry BMW fanboy, you still don't win

[@damirbajic4579]

​@@post-leftluddite😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@G82Watts]

No, the new m4csl or m3cs would obliterate it in a drag race and on the track. In Hagerty video the m5cs beat it in a drag race by a bus length but around a short little track the heavier m5cs lost by milliseconds. Nurumbring would be the real test. Either way BMW is faster. Bmw m3 cs or bmw m4csl would obliterate the blackwing on a track

[@G82Watts]

​@@post-leftludditeChinese Chezang Circuit is the only real track that these cars have raced and the m3/m4 beat it. The m4 GTS and m4 CSL also where ahead. That small little Hagery 1 minute track proves nothing. I wish Cadillac had the balls to post a nurumbring lap time. They would've by now if it performed better then it direct competitor BMW M cars. Ur the 2nd comment ive seen saying it beat the m5cs u are aware the new gen bmw m3 and m4 are faster and more nimble around the track? The m5cs is old news the new gen m5 comes out early next year. Keep in mind even the m5cs beat the ct5 black wing by a bus length in the Hargerty Drag race. CT5 blackwing- 11.7 quarter mile Bmw m3 xdrive-11.3 Bmw m3 Cs 11.0 Bmw m4 xdrive 11.3 This base model m3 lost by half a second and the dude even said the m3 felt better around the track 8:42 I have neither but the BMW is the better car.

[@04m6gto]

@@G82Watts And the electric car smoked the M5CS. The Cadillac dusted the M5CS around a very technical and difficult track by 3 quarters of a second, not milliseconds. All with a manual transmission and rear wheel drive. Nobody in real life cares about the Nordschleife, only internet boyracers who can't spell Nurburgring. BMW's M3, 4, and 5 get smoked by Blackwings. And all of that means nothing because the Cadillac's are the more engaging and more fun cars to drive.

[@robl2547]

Great Video... to bad you did not have a CT4V Blackwing to add to the mix... very curious to see how the the CT4-BW would have made out. Can you do that again?

[@JDSFLA]

Such a short track does not provide the room for the Caddy to reach its stride. Try again at Road America, Road Atlanta or Corkscrew heaven at Laguna Seca etc.

[@marcasswellbmd6922]

Weight is everything.. My buddy has a Beautiful older FoxBody LX 5.0 and it weigh's like 2750 LB's and probably makes 275 to the wheel's. My 17 S550 GT weigh's 3750lb's makes a solid 400 to the street and he is just about as fast as me in first second and 3rd he's right there with me.. It's not till I get to 5000 RPM in 3rd that I start to drag him.. But I am always blown away at the way he has that older car moving and but moreover how Great his 1990 LX 5.0 handles out on the street.. He has a ton of aftermarket parts in her and I swear it feels like it can handle just like the new cars do without all the sensors and ECU Tech.. He even took out the back drum brakes for the rotor conversion kit..

[@wesleywalls7582]

I haven’t yet watched this and I’m super pumped.

[@mentox6592]

Reupload?

[@mcmobius1]

Why the Maverick? Why not a Durango Trackhawk or a Camaro/Mustang with a 10 speed. But these days a manual option is only available for the high end performance trim versions.

[@billshoe22191]

This was hilarious fun. Loved it!

[@AntonioCarlos-ii6yw]

Qual é o nome da cor do BMW? Que cor linda! What is the name of the BMW color? What a beautiful color!

[@DanielS2376]

What year is the blackwing?

[@renhaoxue5220]

Need to stop pretending manual is superior. I drive a manual myself and I love the engaging factor of it, but comparing to auto its slower, less fuel efficient, and its mechanically a lot less sophisticated thus cheaper to make. There is no superior gearbox, there is only people who love cars. So stop pretending that manual is better and be more generous and let auto people into the community.

[@renhaoxue5220]

Hilarious video tho! Good quality, keep it up champ!

[@Mgarcia472]

The problem isn’t the car … it’s definitely the driver

[@jasonswitzer1748]

100% agree that automatic transmissions are the death of fun. I can’t stress this enough. Autos are now quicker and more fuel efficient, but more fun? Not a chance.

[@Bayne83]

Why woudn't you compare the CT-4 V?.. I thought the CT-5 V would go up against the M5..

[@post-leftluddite]

if you're wondering, watch Hagerty's video on the CT5-V Blackwing, it beats the M5 CS around the track....figured I'd let you know because it seems like you're a BMW fan taking it personally

[@G82Watts]

Chinese Chezang Circuit is the only real track that these cars have raced and the m3/m4 beat it. The m4 GTS and m4 CSL also where ahead. That small little Hagery 1 minute track proves nothing. I wish Cadillac had the balls to post a nurumbring lap time. They would've by now if it performed better then it direct competitor BMW M cars. Ur the 2nd comment ive seen saying it beat the m5cs u are aware the new gen bmw m3 and m4 are faster and more nimble around the track? The m5cs is old news the new gen m5 comes out early next year. Keep in mind even the m5cs beat the ct5 black wing by a bus length in the Hargerty Drag race. CT5 blackwing- 11.7 quarter mile Bmw m3 xdrive-11.3 Bmw m3 Cs 11.0 Bmw m4 xdrive 11.3 This base model m3 lost by half a second and the dude even said the m3 felt better around the track 8:42 I have neither but the BMW is the better car.

[@Shep-dq6fw]

It would be a better compsitation test with CTS4-V Blackwing because it's a twin-turbo V6 with the same weight.

[@dr_0232]

I love watching jersey plates in all this cars 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥jersey gang

[@royward4495]

Nice attempt at spin but an M3 and CT5 are not in same vehicle segment, thus a Whack comparo. Put it up against an M5 Competition or AMG E63s and the outcome will look quite different. If I were to win a CT5-V BW, I'd take the financial hit and immediatly sell it. Then I'd purchase a very low mileage 3rd-gen CTS-V.

[@ELXABER]

The automotive industry needs to stop taking the driving out of cars.

[@MikesLARE]

What track is this?! Looks like they are still constructing the garage pits

[@moretapster]

That intro? Brave 🤣🤣🤣

[@pr33tu_]

I'll steer clear of the Hertz rental thanks

[@rugu6869]

It is the reason why I own a manual 911. So much more involving than an auto. Plus, I'd gather I'd be quicker around a track than most drivers even if they were in an auto LOL!

[@moiv8]

Someone in fb group who rents out cars said; the manual cars he rents out have less incidents and less trivial things he has to help them out in comparison to the people who rent automatic cars. Which he concluded is because the drivers are smarter and better drivers.

[@Newman1244]

Man some of these people in the comments are laughable. Since when is straight line performance the benchmark for cars? Sure the M5CS and M3CS are stupid quick especially in the 1/4 mile. But neither are as quick as the 5VBW on the track. People saying that the test the Cadillac won on lap times were on a smaller track are so it would lose on the ring are also dumb. Smaller (lighter) cars have their strongest performance on small tracks. You put the 5VBW on the ring where it can unleash all the power without the constant struggle for rwd grip, it would stomp the bimmers. Every single track test has show this. Get outta here with these 0-60 times and 1/4 miles times. Get a Tesla or a Hellcat you want straight line

[@philippebeinaerts]

Brilliant work!

[@Kalepsis]

Sure, you can get one of these cars here in the US... if you're willing to pay 60-100k over the sticker price to the scammy dealers.

[@hamidataei9541]

Tomorrow in a random indian car channel: Jethro Bovingdon reprisent tata nano vs cycle rickshaw Also next day in a random Chinese chanel: Jethro Presents wheelbarrow vs carriage vs Drashke track day group test. 😂

[@ridingdriving]

why is top gear dead when it can make content like this??? wake up, get these characters into the main series

[@camonly849]

My favorite is when they drive the cars at 110% and complain how you can't control them. Rode in a stock c7 z06 and the car would rip your face off in the corners and braking. It also was on the most invasive traction control setting and I heard traction control kick in less than a handful of times on numerous 20 min track sessions in 42 degree weather. I watch this and he's side ways in corners constantly and way into the throttle so early.....maybe you should not do that 😂. He also did the same with the BMW as well.

[@marcusoctober4856]

Forget manuals, save Top Gear!

[@aaronvector4750]

"Forget the manuals" suddenly everything you say is not credible anymore.

[@stuntdrvr]

what track is this???

[@TurboBMRProjectLove]

i'm doing my part - i have a 2020 Subaru STi and a 2024 Mustang GT which both are manuals

[@DennisH22A]

germany and the yanks are keeping the manual alive. love it

[@rdramos13]

Civic Type R, GR Yaris, Nissan 400Z, STi, MX-5 Miata all have manual transmissions. Even new Lotus Emira also.

[@akingbrew]

@@rdramos13came here to say this. Lots of fun manual transmission cars still available today!

[@Lemingtona-x5g]

Honda makes the best manual anything better is gated shifter

[@raymonds7492]

Why is every black wing press car neon blue?

[@kirkrobinson4893]

Ole Tiff Needle would have nailed 1st go 😂

[@urim225]

I would absolutely buy a car with manual everytime IF it wasnt for the traffic jam. That makes you exchange your car right away right there. Just for pure driving i would prefer manual and be slower but with a smile on my face than quicker and with less emotions but just to brag about how fast you were. My dream car is a 911 GT3 Manual.

[@Dennis-du4jh]

Adding similar tires to the Maverick wouldve been a more fair comparison, imo

[@fikes73]

I rather have the ct4v blackwing with the manual. Titanium connecting rods for crying out loud

[@brianrainey2739]

Jethro, was this taped before or after your lessons from Travis?

[@MrClarck100]

Isn't the CT5-V a direct competitor to the 5 series

[@EliteOnTheBeat]

YES! You'd think bmw fan boys would be smart enough to see the numbers in the models and put 2 and 2 together but nope. LOL

[@G-Rated]

No, the CT5 isn’t a direct competitor to either the 3-series nor 5-series. Because of its long but nimble and agile chassis it is a “tweener” which means it occupies a space right inbetween them. Out can technically be cross shopped with either 3-series or 5-series because the Germans are so much more expensive. Cadillac CT4-V is more of a BMW M2 competitor.

[@scratchymaster]

Where is this track?

[@ChasingDifferentAdventures]

The American Dream 👨🏻👍🏻🏎️🏁🚩 Black Wing .... The 3rd Pedal 6 Speed Manual in the Dark Horse is Faster around the Track the Automatic Padel Shifters.... Car & Driver Proved it

[@noahgreenberg3054]

This is cool but my dad tried to buy a new M3 manual and it took a year and half for the dealership to say ehhh ur not gonna get it actually. Wish I could get my hands on one

[@张康-t5l]

内燃机的魅力是电动车永远给不了的❤

[@AlexPaikadailovephotography]

I purchased my 2022 CT5 in August 2022. Saying that my experience owning this vehicle has been a nightmare is an understatement. Here are the list of major repairs/replacements I’ve had within 2 years of owning; Engine Head Gasket, Transmission Transfer Case, entire Transmission assembly, front Seat lumbar units, steering wheel boot, interior door trim panels, O2 Sensors, and so on. All of this has been replaced within less than 2 years of owning this vehicle. I had decided to purchase my first ever car from Cadillac as the brand stood for luxury and reliability. I put my hard earned money, and that too quiet a lot of it, towards this car. If I had known what I was in for, I would’ve went for Cadillac’s competition. It’s a shame because the CT5 is a very good looking vehicle and it drives nice. However the amount of Repairs and unreliability overshadows the whole experience. Looks can be deceiving! If you’re in the market for a new luxury vehicle, I’d take a one good look at this vehicle, admire its good looks, maybe even sit in it or take some photos and then proceed to purchase a German or a Japanese competitor brand!

[@josephlenertz]

I was surprised to hear the driver refer to how “heavy” the caddy was…multiple times…as if it were a huge difference. Then I looked up the weights…3900 for the M3 and 4100 for the Blackwing. Hmmm, about the weight of a passenger. Driver, I think thou protest too much.

[@reganxmas]

It would've been great if Chris Harris hosted this video.

[@ThreeGreenthumbs]

Why not compare the M5 C vs the CT5V B?

[@_que]

Have a all manual comparison pls available today