Save Weight & Increase Performance on Your Motorcycle

[@tieoneon1614]

Im getting old and crabby. I do not like loud exhausts on motorcycles anymore. Cant say I never had loud bikes though so Id never tell anyone not to. But...Im getting more impressed with how good the engineers can get these bikes to run being all muffled up. Even FMF Q4's aint quiet LOL. Bah Humbug.

[@onthebackwheel]

Hey I get it, I certainly don't want an obnoxious bike. The q4 on my KLX250 got plenty rowdy when it needed repacking!

[@exothermal.sprocket]

You can still get a quality ECU flash for stock catted exhaust systems and find a very good performance boost, in terms of smoothness, control, throttle transition, engine heat, shifting behavior and so on.

[@TwowheelerMonk]

Totally with you .. long haul ! Loud exhaust make it irritating..

[@Rhunyen]

Just bought my 800DE. Thanks for advice to drop weight and improve performance.

[@onthebackwheel]

No worries, enjoy the bike

[@NunyaBusiness...]

Definitely sending this to my buddy that has an 800 DE! Just so he can decide for himself.

[@onthebackwheel]

It's hard to beat

[@mkramsauer]

Oh that was epic brother! Always enjoy watching you absolutely test these machines

[@onthebackwheel]

Cheers mate

[@pinkiewerewolf]

Sounds awesome Curtis! 👍 Looks great too.

[@onthebackwheel]

It's a definite improvement!

[@Andrew-qc9xw]

The more I see these new bikes the more I appreciate my 2002 Yamaha TDM900. No electronics and emissions crap to spoil the experience and a glorious sound with twin MIVV pipes… and lighter with a lower COG than the new bikes.

[@tonymarchant9083]

Yep ,agree ......iv got a 1995 DR 800....just twist and go .....simples.

[@hawkecho125]

900 had EFI but yes, a lot less stuff to hinder you. Had a TDM850 once upon a time. Was a pleasure to ride.

[@onthebackwheel]

Mean sounding bike those tdms

[@painsrides]

The 800DE sorely needed an exhaust upgrade.... 👍

[@onthebackwheel]

It really did

[@brianrahuba6919]

​@@onthebackwheelDo they have a high mount option ? I'm assuming you should be able to redirect the pipe to go behind the rear peg mount to protect the rear subframe and swing arm if a crash were to happen .

[@onthebackwheel]

@@brianrahuba6919 doesn't look like it, haven't seen anyone else do one either

[@brianrahuba6919]

@onthebackwheel The only reason why I mention it cause there is an aftermarket pipes that the Transalp has . Mabe this model you can't. But it would be nice, though . Due to low hung mufflers and pipe, it can damage the subframe and swingarm as well . And that's if it has a subframe in the rear section . At least the passenger pegs mount will protect the pipe from crashing into each other .

[@zudosmg]

Love it! I just upgraded to the Full Arrow Exhaust and did the Stage 2 Airbox mod. Just waiting for my ECU to get back from the tuners and it should be a whole new beast! Keep up the great videos. From the research removing those Snorkels on the Airbox gives you another HP and couple Ftlbs. I bought the new lid also for mine as it gives you a bigger gain after you tune it.

[@onthebackwheel]

Awesome mate, would love the full system. I saw some vids online with the gains too, keen! I'm looking at getting mine tuned too, apparently changing the ignition timing helps big time. What software are they using?

[@zudosmg]

@@onthebackwheel My tuner (Vcyclenut check em out online and they show the Dyno Graphs) is using the Woolich Racing Software. You can thank my later but my ECU just had to go to the Woolich Office In Australia to get uploaded into the software to be able to tune it lol. Mine should be back this week and I get to test it out. So excited!

[@onthebackwheel]

@@zudosmg well I'm in luck because I'm looking at getting a Woolich tune too. Kyen to hear your thoughts

[@johnrovere2286]

Much better....I might do the same to the klr650 😊

[@onthebackwheel]

Oh for sure, makes a solid difference on the big KLR

[@Italianborn]

It does look good with new exhaust but it will sound way better and perform even better only changing the full exhaust and then flushing the ecu to remove all the euro5 emissions regulations, 10HP right there

[@onthebackwheel]

Now we are talking

[@Badlander87X]

Good video i was looking at SC for a aftermarket exhaust for the 1050DE

[@onthebackwheel]

Very impressive build quality and sound

[@frankensteinsgarage9632]

I must be getting older. My desire to make my bikes louder is diminishing. The first mod I used to my bikes is to change the exhaust. But... in saying that. The V strom does have a good note. The looks and weight saving are a bonus. I have a Gixer muffler sitting on the shelf waiting to go on my DR650. It will supposedly remove two thirds of the weight (from original muffler), gain some horsepower and be a little smaller. But the mighty DR doesn't have a note that makes the hairs on my neck stand up. And at the present moment no one hears me coming. Now part of me thinks this is a good thing. But can also be startling for other road and trail users.

[@onthebackwheel]

I hear that's a great mod for the mighty dr

[@peterprzywara5258]

I bought an akropovich exhaust from ali express for $76. It sounds great and goes good too

[@onthebackwheel]

Definitely a place for them!

[@Badlander87X]

Will rot off in no time

[@rubendutoit5365]

About time. I went with MIVV

[@onthebackwheel]

Mivv looks good

[@TopsailBound]

Did I miss the OTBW merch link? I'd like to pick up a Tshirt to support the channel.

[@onthebackwheel]

None yet mate, been meaning to do a merch launch

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Arrow makes a header system. Probably would mate up with the SC muffler. You'd need a ECU flash.

[@onthebackwheel]

Yeah I was debating it, but $$$ and I'm happy with the performance

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@onthebackwheel An ECU flash would really help out even with the setup you have currently. Not just with truing up the air/fuel, but with boat loads of drivability things if your tuner is knowledgeable.

[@onthebackwheel]

@@exothermal.sprocket oh for sure. I had a Woolich lined up, but decided against it because of costs and tbh I'm really happy with the performance

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@onthebackwheel I've debated between the GSX-8S and R, and the V-Strom version (probably the road model, not 21" wheel version). Is this your first ADV motorcycle? Do you have road-biased motorcycle experience?

[@onthebackwheel]

@@exothermal.sprocket hey mate, I've got a fair bit of experience with both. The gsx8 is fantastic value, it would be hard to pass up if I was looking at a street but. Any questions fire away

[@vaughndrew852]

Look forward to hearing it in bush ride video

[@onthebackwheel]

Me too mate 😁

[@Need2Xplore]

Hey mate! Love your videos. I'm in the process of buying a new bike, and I'm inclined to the Norden 901, have you ridden one yet? The other contenders are the Africa twin, CFMoto 800 mt, and this same Suzuki 800 DE. Africa twin would be my first choice if it wasn't for the overcomplicated manners to turn on and off the simplest things. Anyway, I think the Norden is more what I'm looking into, seems a great machine to commute, some offload playtime and the occasional holidays traveling with my girl 2-up. Either way, thanks and keep the videos coming

[@onthebackwheel]

Oh tough choice. I haven't ridden the 901 unfortunately, they have been going for amazing prices though. I wouldn't bother with the 800MT unless that's your budget, the others are more capable. I know a mate with a Norden expedition and he rates it highly

[@Need2Xplore]

@@onthebackwheel yeah, I think already made my choice, although I only have ridden the CF and the Twin, I'll try to take the Norden for a spin.

[@onthebackwheel]

@@Need2Xplore yeah for sure. The seat to peg can be a bit cramped for some people on them, I doubt you'll get a good feel for it when you see in person

[@martinbrown4214]

Comparing the Mivv , sc project give better hp and torque figures , also does removing the snorkel make it sound louder.

[@onthebackwheel]

Yes it makes a noticeable difference and adds a fair bit of intake noise

[@mitchzeinert5359]

Far out that sounds amazing now!

[@onthebackwheel]

Hell yeah it does

[@minas4everyo]

Ohhh boy this is a good staff! This sound is with db killer? And bro one more question, are you change the rear springs?

[@onthebackwheel]

Yep this is with the DB killer. They say it isn't removable, I'm looking into that... The suspension is all stock, I'm in contact with a suspension shop to see what we can do

[@minas4everyo]

@@onthebackwheel that’s a very good sound bro! And I see for spring to put it on rear suspension and I find the ohlins that fit very nice. I put it in 5 days and next from that I plan my big trip 😁😁

[@onthebackwheel]

@@minas4everyo oh nice, good to know they do one

[@vaughndrew852]

Have you thought about de cating it Arrow have a straight throu header pipe with oxygen sensor thread that is ome designed and you can run same new tail pipe ya got

[@onthebackwheel]

I thought about it but $$$$$

[@stevesane800]

Looks & sounds incredible Crazy man Curtis🔥 Did the instructions say to idle the engine with the new exhaust for about 10mins before revving it?🤔 Because you’re enthusiastic, I bet you didn’t & touched your greasy & new baby poo hands on it without wiping it down😂😂😂 Right, last thing you need… make Barkbusters get with the program & get you some guards! Otherwise, they’re missing out on excellent PR.👌

[@onthebackwheel]

I did wipe it! But definitely didn't idle it...

[@stevesane800]

@@onthebackwheel 🤙 Super dad! Filming, editing & changing nappies! Trust me, I know😉

[@peterjensen6645]

That thing looks great. Weldporn :-) i just ordered a mivv speed edge for mine.....do you remember the specs on your litium batteri. HR and CCA its a bit confusing that it is different from the led batteri.

[@onthebackwheel]

Mate can't remember off the top of my head, if you haven't check my battery video and the SSB website

[@nickluijcx1261]

Why did you remove the snorkel?

[@onthebackwheel]

Performance. A few dyno tuners have shown that it improves performance at certain parts of the rev range. It's running great with the exhaust

[@vaughndrew852]

I'm still yet to see a Staintune full system yet a hì and normal one iv emailed em with nothing

[@onthebackwheel]

I spoke with them months ago and it was supposed to be near done 🤔

[@ruudknoester6104]

If you remove the snorkel doesnt it damage your engine?

[@onthebackwheel]

Not at all

[@SnelleJelle_]

so what we hear now is the Db killer in or out? my english is not that good sorry. nice video btw!

[@onthebackwheel]

Thanks mate. My next video has it without the DB killer, sounds mean!

[@SnelleJelle_]

@@onthebackwheel nice!

[@TheSwellrider]

I had a Triumph Speed Triple and it had dual cans which I replaced with one M4 GP style muffler. I saved LOTS of weight and the new can was louder but not LOUD. After riding it for a bit I put the stock exhaust back on...WHY? It was too loud. Too loud meant I got tired sooner from the noise (this WITH hearing protection and a $700 Arai full face). Quieter = longer, safer rides.

[@onthebackwheel]

I did the same on my Tuono. The Arrow was too loud so I went back to the Akro

[@thodoris3790]

i really like this bike mate.i m beteen this and transalp.transalp is first couse i m not gonna do nothing more in off road riding than passing some dirt roads here and there.but,damn,i like it more even i found it a little big for me(5.10) in dimentions.i would go for the tuareg also,but i m really scared of reliability issues,even i have an officail dealer 10miles from home.tenere,i didnt like it that much,i test rode it.a few days ago i test rode them back to back,transalp and vstrom,in a small test ride circuit,for 5 minutes each,and i liked vstrom more.but it was such a small test ride.i would like to see them in the open road.and one thing i m afraid at the vstrom,is the engine heat,that i read it makes,even i m not gonna drive in a city,i live in the country side.so....i m stuck.

[@onthebackwheel]

Mate my recommendation for everyone ATM is the Tuareg. Best ADV bike ATM and you've got a dealer really close. In saying that, I'm very happy with my 800de. Good machine and got that little bit of extra punch for road work

[@toltod]

i wonder if this works fine with the stock aluminum cases.

[@toltod]

NM, site says its compatable

[@onthebackwheel]

Was going to say its supposed to 👍

[@toltod]

@@onthebackwheel Thank you! I have the stock cases and would be nice to keep that and the footpegs handy for the wife.

[@robbieandbeckie]

Much better!

[@onthebackwheel]

Yeah it is!

[@davidgrunklee8407]

So that one or the yoshimura?! I'm in USA

[@onthebackwheel]

Tough choice! You know you are getting quality with both. I haven't used the 800de Yoshi but this one's quality is on point

[@davidgrunklee8407]

​@onthebackwheel I did notice yours is ti construction where yosh is stainless...ti=lighter

[@onthebackwheel]

@@davidgrunklee8407 for sure, different engine note too with ti

[@waynev5097]

Does it affect your warranty?? Don't throw the old one away - you or someone else might need it for rego inspection. In NSW if you buy a bike from interstate you need a blue slip to register - can be difficult to get if the exhaust is not original. But $1,300 for a slip on..... not cheap 😢

[@onthebackwheel]

I've stored it in my garage for the next owner. It'll pass fine with how it is ATM, it's pretty quiet just throatier. No it won't affect warranty, it doesn't eliminate the cat so does very little change for fueling. I spoke with sc project and they said it's designed to run fine with the stock fueling, seems good so far

[@sheafrank4816]

Woooooo

[@gabrielkopp2036]

What is cost of that exhaust? I love the sound. Unfortunately I cannot upgrade mine until the factory warranty is up according to my dealership it could void the warranty.. so I have to wait until October

[@NunyaBusiness...]

I can't speak for other parts of the world, but in The States that's not how it works. There are protections to keep manufacturers from being predatory in their warranty denials. To deny a claim because of a modification they have to be able to reasonably show that the mod caused the problem. Think of your warranty as similar to insurance. It's not cancelled just because you do something silly, but they might deny a claim if they can show the mod was the cause. For example, if you were to put this exhaust on and say your electronics were to crap out on you, they have to honor the warranty on the electronics because there is no reasonably way that the exhaust swap caused the failure. On the flipside, if you do this swap and get the bike flashed and your engine implodes, they'd have a case to deny a claim because changing the way the engine operates could cause engine failure. Most bike warranties are short enough that it doesn't really matter anyway. Mod away because the odds of you having an issue while in the short warranty period are pretty slim.

[@onthebackwheel]

Not sure of the USA price, but from memory it's $1300 AUD. You shouldn't have any issues with warranty

[@jpbloodyaussie]

I just replaced the exhaust on my crf1000 with a Dominator Full system and it saved 4.5kg.... stock system is 9kg so 50%. still unsure to get it tuned as yet

[@onthebackwheel]

Massive savings there. Would be interesting to see what a tune did

[@jpbloodyaussie]

@onthebackwheel same... also curious about opening up the airbox for more air as I have not done this as yet

[@terrystratford1235]

If you do just silencer, that's just sound! If you have done a full system, the fuel/air ratio will be off! Get a tune ASAP!!!!! You will kill your engine if you don't! Ps, get performance air filters to make the most out of the tune!

[@defylifeadventure]

Nice exhaust. Now the bike weighs 227.5kg then ;) SC Project are expensive, but the sound for sure is nice.

[@onthebackwheel]

Haha yep, still a big girl

[@TheTroublesome41]

Aha ok so you can just use the stock midpipe nice thanks

[@onthebackwheel]

Yep, not even a link pipe

[@TheTroublesome41]

@@onthebackwheel would you happen to know the size of the stock mid pipe since that what you used? Im trying to figure it out because I am probably gonna use a local manufacturer of slip on here in the philippines

[@onthebackwheel]

@@TheTroublesome41 that's a good idea. Off the top of my head it was just a standard 58cm? Would have to double check, it's only a couple of bolts

[@TheTroublesome41]

Thank you very much

[@TheTroublesome41]

@@onthebackwheel is it 58 or 48

[@ADobbin1]

Its not just the exhaust. I'm sure there's a good reason they aren't using the same exhaust as the GSX800 series for the DE but there's no reason at all for the pavement version. Suzuki really needs to fire their design department and do a better design job, especially in colour schemes.

[@onthebackwheel]

I actually really like the yellow!

[@billblogs8206]

Nice, so many people throw an open can on that's just loud and obnoxious. This one only improves the sound and still sounds like it can be ridden in polite society.

[@onthebackwheel]

💯, meaty and aggressive but still subtle

[@mrt4755]

so nice thing sounds mean

[@onthebackwheel]

Loving it

[@billcotton1551]

Sounds like a Ducati!

[@onthebackwheel]

Definitely a little bit there

[@IanSmart-g6y]

may I ask what was the cost?

[@onthebackwheel]

$1300 AUD from memory

[@IanSmart-g6y]

@@onthebackwheel Did you consider the barret one?

[@onthebackwheel]

@@IanSmart-g6y I actually didn't know they had them for sale till yesterday. Always rated them highly

[@666dualsport]

stuff net zero bullshit--- we all mod our bikes to be the way they should be

[@onthebackwheel]

💯

[@robdefire4747]

Im disappointed. Who doesnt start and rev a bike when it doesnt have a muffler on.....😁

[@onthebackwheel]

Haha I did that off camera 😂

[@IanSmart-g6y]

looks and sounds awesome, but I can't believe you did the exhaust before hand/lever protection.

[@onthebackwheel]

Hehe I'm getting there. Tried to fit 2 sets I've got and both don't fit

[@IanSmart-g6y]

@@onthebackwheel I got a dedicated barkbuster wrap around bar, just needed extra spaces on the throttle side

[@rodneyhull9764]

literally tons better

[@onthebackwheel]

💯

[@fcalin21]

Too loud. 2.6 kilograms are not noticeable.

[@onthebackwheel]

It's very understated and pretty quiet still

[@john0270]

You still have pipes with cats in it(so the sound isn't that loud)thankfully this also keeps the preformance and tune virtually the same so your fueling ect isn't off.

[@TommyNitro]

I think the cats are very unnecessary on motorcycles. Motorcycles are not terribly polluting. The cats use rare earth minerals, really restrict the engine, and really hurt the efficiency.

[@bonjovi1354]

Yea!! This is what we get when someone else makes rules for folks like us.. 😢 who don't have any experience on motorcycle or cars. General education is important class...

[@onthebackwheel]

I get there needs to be something, but can't stand when they step in so much, especially when you look at the emissions from large scale industry...

[@TommyNitro]

@@onthebackwheel That's the point. Motorcycles are very nonpolluting as a whole. There is a certain scale for technologies that becomes much less feasible in smaller engines. I really suspect the idea will be to eventually regulate them into oblivion as opposed to outright banning them in the name of the "environment".