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[@gtdoering4630]

As a brand new, first time tractor owner, I find your videos extremely helpful. Thanks very much!

[@jimwilloughby]

I gotta tell ya Neil, I learn something every time I watch your videos. Don't stop teaching.

[@406dn7]

I'm a retired oil refinery worker, who worked in the QA Laboratory. When the sulfur limits were tightened, that resulted in less lubricity in diesel. There is still sufficient lubricity in #2 diesel, when it leaves a refinery. Also, especially in the winter, some amount of kerosene, which is #1 diesel, is blended into #2 diesel. In the winter this is done to help the pour point properties of the #2 diesel. Running #1 diesel in warmer weather, would not be advisable. If you were in sub zero weather, it would be okay. I do that routinely with my diesel pickups. The temperature that's my trigger point is weather colder than -15F. That is about the temperature where #2 diesel get quite viscous, even if it still technically will pour.

[@teaganryan9787]

y'know Neil, if everyone could explain stuff as well as you do, there wouldn't be a lot that I don't understand. and all the stuff that you usually talk about is stuff that I'm interested to know. Thanks!

[@frankdougherty3233]

What is so great about your videos, Neil, besides your "right to it" style ... is that you speak with a definite authority. That is, we the listeners know that we can rely upon this information shared AND ... it is also always very IMPORTANT information, to boot. Great Job!!!

[@HoneyBeagle]

Maybe a future video idea but I would like to know your thoughts on diesel additives. What to use, when to use it, or maybe why not to use

[@jerrybaudin5482]

I agree, diesel fuel additives would be a great topic.

[@chrisbrossette]

Thanks for the information of fuel. I have a diesel truck and my tractor along with a mower. I will be watching for the bio-fuels from now on, and avoiding them. Nothing against bio but no reason to put anything harmful into a vehicle, which is why I run 100% gas in all my small engines. Keep it up and wish you were closer....

[@station173]

Good video,what have like to have seen a reference to fuel additives and if they are necessary!

[@mtlyb]

I buy my fuels (diesel and gas) from a supplier of no ethanol fuels. I also use gas from there for my truck as much as I can. Takes about 2 gallons for round trip so I try to make sure I have other errands that take me near him. I use fuel additive for each can I put the fuels in before filling them. I only recently found out he sells off road diesel too. It's good to know there is no difference between on-road and off-road except for taxes paid and the color. Since all my diesel needs are for off-road I plan to use that starting with my next run for diesel. Thank you for the information.

[@mrsmith2876]

All of my research on the subject while building diesel engines is that Bio fuels (if correctly filtered and water removed) are better for your lift pump as it has higher lubricacity. Heating oil is also usually old school diesel instead of the ultra low sulfur stuff, except for in the northeast and Canada.Most injection pumps were designed for better diesel then we get here in the US and Canada. The government putting the screws to everyone once again.

[@randomthoughts1001]

I love fuel day. I get to take my Kubota out of the den , polish her up , head down to Southern States and fill up with good offroad Diesel. Ride around downtown a little bit and put her away. Unless it's raining.

[@ilovesunoco]

In the winter months we pre load our tanker trucks before delivery with 80/20 blend diesel- kerosene, so yeah don't mix more kero in from the pump.

[@randallrun]

Great videos, thank you for making them!! I’m currently looking for a better then average, funnel for my new Kubota L3901. I always seem to make a mess refilling, with fuel splashing out onto the hood, but more importantly that it has a very fine filter at the bottom of the funnel. Maybe I’ll call up Messicks..

[@robertfakler8564]

You always have something interesting to say.

[@nicksitarski7220]

Not sure if you have it but a video showing basic maintenance such as grease points on a BX would be nice.

[@nicholass5405]

the bio fuels only have those problems the first few times you fill then it should be close to the same. the bio fuels just clean out all the crap that has been in you tank and it gets in your fuel so while in the beginning you may have to change the filter after a while it should clean out the fuel system and run better after a while.

[@joesears584]

I stopped running heating oil in my tractor. We get a bio blend here in the northeast. I’m a heating contractor and I noticed a smell in the oil sometimes. Kinda like turpentine. There are chemicals used in processing biofuel and maybe they don’t remove it all on some batches. Anyway fuel is cheep compared to tractor repairs

[@James-fs4rn]

👍 very helpful! Thanks Niel!

[@stuntcardriver]

What is the difference between diesel fuel #1 and #2. Both were taxed fuels, but #1 was way more expensive. #2 was consistent with other gas station diesel fuel prices. I was thinking maybe #1 had winter additives? I have only run into this once, at a truck stop.

[@ironheadbiker]

Blend #1 with #2 in cold. Usually 70/30 #2/#1 blend. #1 head lower pour point than #2 . Should be good to around -25, work your way to straight #1 the colder it gets. AVOID BIODIESEL IN COLD WEATHER WHENEVER POSSIBLE. Even if using and additive. Just my northern Wisconsin 2 cents worth, which is taxed 50%

[@MrFakit]

I usually put diesel fuel conditioner in over the winter for anti gelling, water. Hopefully it actually works.

[@frankcarroll2557]

Excellent video, In reference to fuel additives for common rail diesel engines, always look for a fuel supplement that atomizes water. This will reduce the size of the water molecules so they pass through the system without doing the type of injector damage he is referring to. Also, a good filter on your diesel tank is never a bad idea this will remove any large contaminants from the fuel before your tractor filter becomes clogged.

[@svtirefire]

That's the opposite of what you want. A good diesel additive like Stanadyne has demulsifiers that make the water separate from the diesel, so the fuel/water separater on your equipment can do what it's supposed to do, keep the water from getting to your pump and injectors.

[@OShackHennessy]

I keep reading that ultra low sulphur diesel may need additives if you have an older tractor but I can’t get an answer on what dictates an “older tractor”. I have a Mahindra 6500 that’s new to me that I think is from about 2009 but I’m not sure if this is considered new or old.

[@vincegordon3394]

Do you ever add Cetane to your fuel?

[@erniecarnes5279]

Question : do I need to put an additive in my diesel purchased at a gas station, such as “Power Service Diesel Fuel Supplement,” used in my BX2660? My local dealer recommended it; not sure he is correct. I enjoy your videos & wish your dealership was closer to me. Keep up the good work & God bless. Your Christmas lights video was awesome!

[@MessicksEquip]

Fuel from the pump should be treated already. Adding a little more doesn't hurt

[@coypatton3160]

If you have an older tractor that the engine was designed for the higher content of sulfur in the diesel, then I would encourage an additive that provides additional lubricant for the fuel. Plenty of brands that make additives that have that ability. Pick one you like.

[@simonrichard9873]

Can you mix small quantities of filtered used motor oil with diesel? With an older engine, I might add.

[@mainelyelectric]

I would be very skeptical of used motor oil even if it was filtered unless it went through a centrifuge but I can tell you that I have burned 5+ gallons of used or older bottles of unknown equipment hydraulic fluid that I have had from previous equipment and worked great at a 50/50 mix of diesel and hydraulic fluid. Just never burn mineral oil in a Diesel engine! It supposedly burns super low temperature and chokes the engine I read online look it up.

[@roadhammmer]

It's called black diesel. It needs a lot more filtering than its worth. Plus you need to distill the gasoline from it if used in a gas engine. Only use with mechanical injectors even then you can not run 100% oil and not all old engines can cope with it.

[@KT_keeper]

Do you recommend diesel fuel additives? If yes which one for Kubota? Thanks

[@danglecier9462]

Another good video. Any additives to avoid or should use suggestions. Thanks I understand that may be a loaded question.

[@MessicksEquip]

www.messicks.com/part/department/FuelTreatments

[@danglecier9462]

Messick Farm Equipment Great thanks should have thought website lol.

[@chuck4abuck1]

So what's the shelf life of Diesel fuel

[@cptophers4626]

there are also some different sulfur formulations for diesel. my L3901 calls for ultra low sulfur. so i guess running a higher sulfur content would be bad for DPF and other components.

[@brandonbentley4413]

All diesel is now ULSD.

[@cptophers4626]

not so fast...check out: 'ASTM D975'

[@Sparkynutz81]

what tractors have a common rail system? kubota bx?

[@wildbill23c]

Pretty much all diesel tractors built in the past 5-10 years...common rail has been around for quite a while.

[@garyprn2000]

What about JetA? In our business we have waste product from daily fuel checks that is still good fuel. We have used it over the past years in our tractors (very difficult in tractors without glow plugs if you don't mix it with diesel). With glow plugs it works fine. How would JetA usage be effected in newer tractors?

[@MessicksEquip]

you may know more than me, but isn't Jef fuel basicly Kerosene? Lubrication would be the concern.

[@garyprn2000]

Very close. And, lubrication may be a concern. I will follow up with our engineers and ask that question. Thanks.

[@paulmaxwell8851]

Don't even think of putting kerosene in a modern diesel engine. At those high pressures today kerosene just can't lubricate properly. Look at the Bosch CP4 injection pump fiasco: these pumps disintegrate using American diesel, because it doesn't lubricate as well as European diesel. Imagine what would happen if you tried kerosene.

[@frederickburns1739]

Well you didn't talk about CETANE or the bio algae that grows in the dark of the tanks?!?! And tanks I say plural because you have the storage tank and the tank on the tractor!!! HMMM

[@captahab801]

Hoe long can diesel fuel sit before you get diesel fuel algae? And what do you do to stop it?

[@kc8bdr]

There are additives that you can add to diesel fuel that will help with algae. As to how long? It will depend on the conditions under which it is stored.

[@zerpblerd5966]

the dye in off-road diesel isn't an issue? my mechanic says it is...

[@MessicksEquip]

What?!.. no.

[@MLJenkins]

How long can diesel sit in a tank before you should not use it? I thought about getting a small tank but worried I may not use it all in a year. I need to find out also if there is even much cost savings having say 50-100 gallons delivered or if they even will mess with such a small amount.

[@stevengunter4990]

Matt Jenkins well if big suppliers will bring you that is questiable but if they do it could be cheaper but a construction site supply truck will go anywhere for any quantity it will cost more than stamdard supply tho atleast in germany

[@stevengunter4990]

Matt Jenkins also Diesel fuel normaly last 1 year if you store it clean,in a closed container and never let it get to 70°F ours is used up to 2 years. Adding special diesel treatments can prolong the life up to 5 years

[@michellatour150]

How about the practice of adding 2-stroke engine oil to diesel fuel as added lubricant, any issues on newer emissions engines?

[@MessicksEquip]

No no no no no no no. Did I say no?

[@wildbill23c]

You shouldn't need to add anything to your diesel fuel if you are buying quality fuel....adding some additional chemicals to keep it from gelling or from algae growth is fine, but don't be dumping anything else into it.

[@06halfton4x4]

Around here most on road fuel contains bio diesel and most off road does not

[@MessicksEquip]

You should ask your fuel supplier if that's truely the case. It would require them to have a lot of additional infrastructure. Our biggest supplier in the area is very in into biofuels, most guys here get B10.

[@06halfton4x4]

It may have changed in the past year but I used to work for a company that serviced standby power equipment and the fuel samples that we were sending to the lab for off road were not indicating any bio fuel (yes it was fresh fuel). We were having problems with the shel life of bio fuel in equipment with tanks that held thousands of gallons of fuel but didn’t burn much unless there was an extended power outage. It may be all the same now (I left that industry 6 months ago) but it wasn’t then. There are several refineries within an hour drive of where I am with a large fuel infrastructure but who knows. Keep up the good work I enjoy your videos!

[@06halfton4x4]

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[@06halfton4x4]

Messick Farm Equipment I just got back home with a load of fuel from my supplier and while I was there I did ask about the bio fuel. They do not buy off road with any bio content what so ever. He said they pick it up directly from the chevron refinery.

[@bombidude]

Does off-road diesel have the same ingredients as on road? I know off-road is died red.. I been running off-road in my 2380.

[@MessicksEquip]

Yes

[@svtirefire]

Lol watch the video before you ask questions

[@stevekaluf2708]

The previous owner of my BX2200 ran pump diesel (Biodiesel) in the tractor. I'd like to run #1 most of the time since it is available to me. However, at times I'd have to go to the fuel station for fuel and get bio. Is that okay to do? I do know you have to change fuel filters more often with bio.

[@MessicksEquip]

No problems in that tractor.

[@svtirefire]

No reason to use #1 unless you're trying to prevent gelling in very cold weather. #1 produces less power, provides less lubrication to the pump and injectors, and costs more.

[@daltonchanch6067]

The convenience store/gas station that I work/maintain at sells off-road, Kero. and on-road. More than once I have asked customers as to why they put on-road into their tractor. Most of the time they have no reason, but believe that there is a difference between on-road and off-road. It seems that when it comes to information about fuel, there is a lot of mistrust between customers and suppliers.

[@MLJenkins]

I wish I could find an off road diesel supplier that had consumer pumps in my area. They were all over where I lived before. Too bad for the folks using on road when they have the chance to get off road. I have found sometimes the off road pumps are the older pumps and don’t take a card where you have to walk inside, so that could be some of it.

[@daltonchanch6067]

Yea, for the store I'm at its all old school where you have to go inside to pay for on road too, and we shut off all of the pumps at night. We also charge $0.07-0.11 extra for using a credit/debit card for all fuel, however if you pay with cash on average there is a $0.10-0.15 savings relative to anyone else that charges the same for cash or credit. Selling off road will be economical for the foreseeable future too since we have just as many off road customers as we do on road, and we actually support local fleets with house accounts.

[@dimik3855]

So if I have a 20 gal. gas can full of diesel and sealed tight, is it still good after 8-10 years?

[@on4acres]

Dimi K definitely not, if you put a stabilizer in there that would help, but diesel does not have the shelf life that gasoline does.

[@svtirefire]

@@on4acres I think you're a little confused... diesel has a far longer shelf life than gasoline.

[@wildbill23c]

It maybe ok for a year or 2 but today's diesel fuel just doesn't last like it used to. Gasoline is only good for a couple of months at best, diesel gives a longer shelf life but nothing like it used to be.

[@carlosmejia7293]

Can I used highway diesel on excavator

[@MessicksEquip]

Yes

[@donmcmannamy3409]

Home heating oil dosn't have centane in it

[@MessicksEquip]

Unless you have a very unique supplier, Home Heating Oil = #2 Diesel Fuel. Same trucks, same pumps, same tanks.

[@martingardens]

@@MessicksEquip Don has no idea what he's talking about. First of all, it's spelled "cetane" and it's not an additive. Cetane is the measurement of the propensity of diesel to ignite under pressure, which is the opposite of octane - the ability to resist ignition under compression in gasoline engines. Octane is not a measurement of BTU content in gasoline, either. Biodiesel has a higher cetane rating than D2. Engines start easier and run smoother. I ran B-100 in my VW TDi before the common rail Volkswagens, which can only accept B5 maximum. Biodiesel will dissolve the varnish in fuel lines and tanks, so, after the first few tanks, the fuel filter will need replacing. (Want to clean greasy hands? Avoid those gritty hand scrubs and break out some vegetable oil.) Biodiesel has a propensity to swell seals whereas Dino diesel dries seals out, so it's not a good idea to switch back and forth frequently. I stopped running pure biodiesel in my VW as my VW mechanic found there was coking issues with B-100. I do miss the smell of biodiesel in morning. The preceding is my understanding of the issues, I could be wrong.

[@Marekw1976]

Thanks Neil. FYI not a dealer here!

[@bryanst.hilaire3370]

Had anyone heard of putting a little ATF transmission fluid in there fuel tank? A friend/farmer told me he puts it into his equipment to help with lubrication. Any thoughts?

[@Sicktrickintuner]

Bryan St.hilaire On older machines yes, diesel fuel is any oil that will burn in a Diesel engine. People have added it for years, but as the new common rail and dpf etc I wouldn’t

[@court2379]

He mentions the reduced amount of lubrication in the newer fuels, so I have similar concerns that adding a heavier is needed to save the injection pump. I have a neighbor who adds hydraulic oil to his. Is this practice warranted, or wise?

[@boy_scouts_for_life6803]

I put outboard 2 stroke oil in my ‘93 f250.

[@mainelyelectric]

Court I can tell you that I have burned 5+ gallons of used or older bottles of unknown equipment hydraulic fluid that I have had from previous equipment and worked great at a 50/50 mix of diesel and hydraulic fluid. Just never burn mineral oil in a Diesel engine! It supposedly burns super low temperature and chokes the engine I read online look it up.

[@jeepmanxj]

My heating oil is very obviously not diesel.

[@donmcmannamy3409]

Drove semis for years and had family use heating oil heating oil dosn't have centane and that is what works like octane in gas without it it won't run 87th

[@bassrun101]

Garry not Linda. That is incorrect. I realize this is way late but I'm going to copy nomadmac's reply to a similar statement quite a bit above this point. For the complete statement and reply about cetane scroll up. nomadmac 1 year ago @Messick's Equipment Don has no idea what he's talking about. First of all, it's spelled "cetane" and it's not an additive. Cetane is the measurement of the propensity of diesel to ignite under pressure, which is the opposite of octane - the ability to resist ignition under compression in gasoline engines. Octane is not a measurement of BTU content in gasoline, either.

[@dphillips705]

diesel fuel for engines is even more filtered than heating oil is the only difference

[@austin3626]

I wonder how many takes this guy does for an average video. He can rattle stuff off like nobody's business.

[@MessicksEquip]

Very few videos take more than one. I shoot some sentences that don't come out right here and there, but I'm pretty efficient.

[@travelinthru9519]

Home heating oil diesel fuel is #1 premium it's refined more. Regular#2 diesel fuel for her tractor and car it's not premium diesel fuel.

[@shelterskelter]

Its called red fuel here. Its in fact illegal unless you have a registered farm to run red fuel in your tractor. No road tax on it. So even though its just diesel they add red dye so that it can be distinguished. Interestingly its like 30 cents a litre cheaper. Gotta love the canadian government.....

[@paulmaxwell8851]

What are you talking about? I live in central British Columbia and anyone can buy marked fuels, as long as they don't put it in a road vehicle. It's that simple. Lots of people buy marked gas for ATV's, lawnmowers, snowmobiles etc., and lots buy marked diesel for tractors, stationary generators, industrial machinery etc. I have a unregistered farm and have never, ever had a problem.

[@wildbill23c]

Anyone can run offroad diesel, you don't need a farm or any registration or license at all to use it for the proper purpose, get caught running it in your pickup though and you are in trouble. Offroad, or red fuel as you call it is just diesel that has been dyed...nothing special about it, other than it'll show up in your fuel system by visual and ultraviolet light.

[@bladewiper]

first, again.