2013 Dodge Caravan Purge Valve Circuit Code P0443 (New purge valve) Part 2

[@ScannerDanner]

My questions at the end, about why running a ground wire back to the PCM: 1. For input circuits, this helps clean up the signals, I understand that. But this is an output where this type of accuracy isn't necessary. 2. It is an un-switched constant ground on the computer board, but I've never attempted to test one of these circuits with the key off! 3. As many stated in part one, there may be despiking diodes involved for this design. 4. I've seen power side switched outputs that are grounded externally, so what it the difference? If we need diode suppression as the reason, how are these designs done? 5. I understand that it could be a monitored circuit, for current flow. Thanks everyone!! Final thoughts, tread carefully with Flagship1

[@michaelsparmann3368]

This is most likely for 2 reasons: - Flyback protection diodes as you already mentioned (because this is a highly inductive load) - Reduced electromagnetic emissions from the harness, and especially from these specific wires to others running in parallel, by getting ripple current in both directions to cancel out. If this wasn't done, you could see the purge solenoid drive PWM on a current clamp put around the whole harness, that would be a bad thing (large loop area) So this is something that seems reasonable on a PWMed inductive load.

[@galaxian5387]

FWIW I used FS1 for a Chrysler PCM replacement due to a shorted injector driver and had no issues. I think it took a little longer than expected but it was for a 2004 in 2020 - it looked new compared to my NW PA rusty pile thanks to Chrysler for mounting it in the front fender well. Aside from that no other issues and it was plug and play.

[@liquidrockaquatics3900]

I’m not a mechanic but I still love watching your videos. It’s nice to see critical thinking in play instead of mindless parts changing

[@robertofkennedy]

I have used them about 1 dozen times. They are awesome.

[@JrSpitty]

Yeah the Chrysler thing with APP2 is true. I work at a RAM dealer the first time I saw it when they were training us in classes it through me off. But basically its a self test the computer does to verify it has control of the circuit and since its a redundant system it only cares to test one side of it. Same thing with the throttle body, just don't stick your finger in there with the power connected... It will snap your finger off. LOL

[@themechanic2.060]

We used them 5 times. First one was no problem. The subsequent 4 were a nightmare. New codes showing up and other drivability concerns to say the least. It took them forever to correct the problem (sending us a replacement) and on 2 of those four occasions, we had to go and directly pick them up from them. They are about an hour round trip from we are on Long Island, NY. A real big pain in the ass for a busy shop like us when they tout about their shipping. No bueno. Needless to say we don’t use them anymore. We found a great company in Florida for all our re man computers. If we can’t get OEM and we can’t program them we call them. Take it for what you will. Great channel.

[@richieskinner5613]

Who did you get yours from I've been waiting for 3 weeks for fs1 to ship mine

[@NIS_ONE]

Have used dozens of ecm's for multiple Dodge pick-ups with one problem which they took care of and shipped a new computer with one day shipping. They've been good to me and my customers

[@eliransolomon6114]

It could be that the same graund to the ASD relay is the same graund to the purge valve we could check if the ECM is provided graund to the purge valve when the ignition is on

[@pinicle544]

I was going to say that the stalling or rough running pertaining to his one initial complaint came to me as you were ending this video, that when you closed the purge valve and it stalled that the ground side of the wire in the computer may have making random or spontaneous connections before having it diagnosed. But you came to a near conclusion understanding as to the rough or stalling issues. Excellent work.

[@shaungreen8713]

My 2 cents. I Had a super bad experience with that company. Lost a customer over it. Love your videos. Thanks for all the great content.

[@spelunkerd]

I wonder if the glitches on APP2 are from internal diagnostic workings inside the PCM, ignored on their diagnostics because retrograde glitches are expected as part of a dynamic diagnostic phase.

[@ScannerDanner]

They don't exist externally on the circuit, so I think it's a Snap-On scanner issue.

[@joranlinders]

Opel works that way, pulling app2 down. If app1 goes down together the pcm knows they are shorted.

[@Dr._Diag]

@@ScannerDanner they do exist on all scan tools, and is part of a checksum monitor.

[@stationaryenginesworldwide]

thanks Paul for coming up with the finish video on this one .hope you feel better soon Brother! take care of yourself

[@normangallant9879]

That was interesting.It is a learning curve.Keep up the good work.As a retired vehicle technician i enjoyed your content..

[@djosbun]

When Caleb gets back from his honeymoon, you need to tell him to edit in a ZZ Top riff whenever your brother makes an appearance in the next new video (if it doesn't cause any copyright issues).

[@calebldanner]

We actually shot this video over a year ago haha! Im back from my honeymoon with a baby now 😂. And now you've given me a great idea to keep in mind for the future 😂👍

[@johnbonifas6040]

Paul we use Flagship 1 and we have never had one bad one time I ordered one and they told me three weeks which is no big deal we save a lot of money

[@tracydiller9378]

Great video Danner Boys as always, Chrysler has always had ground problems that makes you want to pull your hair out.I agree 100% the stalling is because of the charcoal canister being saturated with fuel.I got a buddy who has a 2006 Chrysler Town and Country that had the same problem with the Purge valve not working had the same computer circuit problem.I will keep Flagship 1 in mind the next time because it cost way less.Hope you feel better Paul and hope the rest of your family don't come down with what you have,Stay safe everyone and have a Blessed Week.

[@wrightsrrt871]

You can also buy used pcm at the junk yard for cheap and to get it faster then you can use the autel to reprogram the useded one once it's installed into the car all you need to reprogram is Vin and milage and done. You do chance that the used one you get at the junkyard is no good as well but like where I'm at you get them at pick and pull for $60. There's videos on using the autel for programming pcm and other moduals.

[@victorarevalo108]

Thanks for revisiting and closing out this great case study 👍🏽👍🏽

[@athhud]

If you don’t have to return the core, crack that sucker open and see where that ground trace goes. If it leads into a muddled mess of integrated circuits, let it remain a mystery. If not, you might see that it runs right into a ground pin going out with just a bit of filtering along the way. Which still won’t explain much as to why, but I always have to tear it apart... :D

[@mph5896]

Last computer I opened was 1 big block of jelly sealer. The actual boards are super tiny. Nothing like stuff from 25+ years ago

[@athhud]

@@mph5896 I opened up a “modern” aftermarket voltage regulator for my 1992 Dodge 350 a couple of years ago. It was filled with wet sand. The only electrical component inside was a single little zener diode or something like that (I don’t remember exactly what it was). The stuff that the sand was soaked in had a very distinct odor that I was not familiar with, I assume some kind of heat dissipating material. I couldn’t believe that a $30 part the size of my hand would be 80% sand 19% casing, and 1% functional parts. I don’t know if they are all built like that, but I know I went through about a dozen of them (under warranty) before finally changing brands, so I wasn’t replacing them once a month.

[@Watchyn_Yarwood]

I have had success with SIA Electronics. They are a bit higher but really treated me right.

[@HeyBirt]

Having the ground going back to the computer would ensure a consistent ground, i.e. a bunch on things grounded to point A, and a bunch of other things grounded to point B can lead to a slightly different ground potential between the two and this can drive computers crazy.

[@joeyvirts1600]

Haven't used flagship 1,. I use all computer resources out of Florida.

[@elinambo]

Keep using your resources from Florida. I use them too. Flagship is not a good company!

[@cpcoark]

For computer circuits, it is not uncommon to have your hard power supply ground and a floating common. Can also be called signal ground, floating ground, isolated ground. I do not recall the proper term. On our remote terminal units, this was accomplished with 2 diodes in parallel cathode to anode providing a 0.7v isolation. This helps with ground loops and noise. when you get a chance, measure the potential difference between the 2 "grounds" on that car.

[@throttletherapy9998]

My shop has used Flagship One for years with no issues .

[@alejandrogomez393]

Big thanks. What is scanner tools did you use in this video. I did not see it on your pg. Thanks.

[@motomech6336]

Just wondering: What about hooking up an AC vacuum pump to the canister for a while to pull the vapors out?

[@blake8297]

Not sure that a vacuum pump is ignition proof…

[@mattt4183]

@@blake8297 Could use one of the old school compressed air powered venturi pumps. Harbor Freight still sell them.

[@c.ajones557]

Hi as far as flagship i ordered a pcm for a 2002 gmc savana 3500 cutaway 5.7 it came with a week the only problem is the check eng lite was stuck for about 500 mile and no it cannot be cleared very strange but worked fine the plug and play part was no it took 3 trys lol

[@ScannerDanner]

Flagship one is a 50/50 crap shoot

[@vladcheshev4007]

As far as the ground, i think noise plus in case of solenoid failure and ecm detects it, ecm can take ground away, control wire get shorted to power valve be open all the time, than it can take ground away? Just a thought.

[@ScannerDanner]

I've never seen this type of circuit use a switched ground. If we are power side switching it, there is no need to also switch the ground. GDI injectors do this, but not these circuits. Not that I've ever seen

[@kevinminor2558]

A few months ago i had a 06 grand caravan that would stall under acceleration. I determined the crank and cam sensor where loosing grounds. Long story short shared grounds, when egr when it opened it would pull down the ground circuit for cam and crank. I simply relocated sensor ground for egr to block and all is well. NO codes. I never really understood how egr pulled sensor grounds by opening. And yes tried a new egr with same results. I have been wanting to ask you what you thought about this for awhile. I appreciate the feedback and thoughts there is not many people to ask tough questions to especially around here and with out your training I never would have fixed the car!

[@eduardohernandez4440]

great illustrative videos that help a lot I congratulate you with a cordial greeting from the capital Mexico City CDMX, you are a real technician and with great knowledge I congratulate you

[@justforkiks29]

I know it's not a proper fix but, couldn't you install a relay on the ground wire between your new ground point and the point at which you tapped the ground in and use switched power to actuate the relay?

[@jimvanderlinden7249]

I know your busy but it would be nice to know when the video was shot instead of the edit date.

[@isalmankhan1]

The most awaited fix, Thanks for sharing SD👍 I haven't done any Chrysler vehicles so cannot comment on this circuit design, but this circuitry is really interesting & will improve our knowledge on these systems if we could figure out the design purpose😉 Love the discussion between SD & James Danner, I learn a lot from your experiences😍 Stay Safe & Blessed Guy's❤

[@ScannerDanner]

Thank you my friend

[@throttlebottle5906]

if the ground goes somewhere other than back to the ECM board, it could become elevated above the computers ground level or vice versa and cause the valve to be controlled wrong or think there's an issue and set codes. also there's back EMF pulses and you wouldn't want them running backwards through or across other grounds in a big ground loop. that could whack all sorts of things out.

[@3TsMOBILEAUTOMOTIVEREPAIR]

I’ve have hit or miss with flagship. Last pcm I got from them they programmed the wrong vin in it. Still waiting on a refund. Others were fine. My main issue is there return process is too long takes over a week to get a call back and come up with a plan for there mishap. So had to go so e where to get pcm faster. So now I’m getting an MDI and doing my own programming again.

[@aamechanic8154]

Hey Paul great vid per usual. I think you're right that the pcm is monitoring the current flow on that circuit. Maybe to shut down that component if a short develops? I'd be interested to know if other outputs are also internally grounded, such as the vent valve.

[@george420]

Maybe flagship1 seen the Scanner Danner on the shipping address and made sure to send you good parts so they don't get publicly criticized by the big time youtuber/ pro tech

[@Embermist69]

Of they recognized the shop name and address. For I am going to guess, James A.K.A. Danner put the order in.

[@nkonyanechristopher]

wont a missing ground to the computer cause the ground supply issue to the solenoid?

[@ScannerDanner]

It could, but in 99% of the circumstances, a bad main computer ground will effect multiple circuits.

[@Vol.8Return]

Hello from Siberia

[@theadmiral5425]

They may ground it in the board due to the ground potential.....keep making videos I'll keep watching. Happy New Year to the Danners'. God bless🙏🙏

[@anthonyiannone7618]

Funny thing you mentioned flagship one , im going through a return with them right now. 2014 cadillac XTS , they said computer was plug and play , but it wouldn't read the key , was setting immobilizer codes. I believe computer has a bad driver for the #5 injector.

[@alanw5879]

I thought flagship is supposed to be awesome.. =/

[@ScannerDanner]

Read my pinned comment about flagship1

[@gilbertomoran7420]

Btw I have fooled a ecm to get rid of that asd code . By installing a relay that was ignition switched .

[@mikes3424]

Just a heads up there is a throttle learn on dodge. You can bypass there learn by KOEO then stepping on the accelerator slowly to the floor hold it for a second and slowly let off should really be done every time a battery is changed or disconnected. Otherwise u get that code

[@ScannerDanner]

That is a good tip! Thanks. So that code was there due to the throttle not being learned yet?

[@samcripes3046]

@@ScannerDanner on the app2. Have you ever scooped it to compare to the scan data. GM app2 constantly checks app2 for short to ground. The scope pattern looks like a duty cycle. Ive check many mid 2000's all the same.

[@ScannerDanner]

@@samcripes3046 yes I have, this one is different than that ref 2 circuit on GM TAC systems. This one is scan data only glitches. Actual signal is clean

[@jackiemay9471]

could you have put a relay to ground ign switched to simulate possible ecu switch to ground when keys out or am i just being dumb but for the price just do the job correct esp its a customer

[@ScannerDanner]

This is what my brother and I were discussing at the end of the video. Not a dumb suggestion at all

[@jackiemay9471]

@@ScannerDanner would be interesting to have seen if the new ecu purge valve earth was 100 % with ign on off and sleep to see if above would have fixed it thank you for your reply have fun

[@juancarreras1714]

But on the first video the switch connector for the purges valve was damaged for a previous mechanic who do some work on this vehicle?

[@ScannerDanner]

no, in part 1, that purge valve connector was damaged during the testing of the circuit, from the dealer tech

[@richardcranium5839]

if you run the grounds back to the computer you can get cheap with noise filtering. but you would think it would be cheaper than wiring and connectors. hard to say

[@Jpilgrim30]

I’ve gotten a couple of PCMs from them on cars when they are backordered from everywhere else or ridiculously expensive and haven’t had any issues with them.

[@johnmarkferding8943]

I read something about a year ago where the Chrysler Dodge vehicles use the ASD relay and the computer after the vehicle has been shut off to run the purge valve several times. this may take up to an hour after shutdown. this may be the other monitored circuit that was/is looking for that ground and why it was throwing that code in video 1.

[@Dr._Diag]

No purge solenoid actuation with key off after shutdown, but the PCM does monitor the ESIM (emission system integrity monitor) to see if a natural vacuum occurs, which should suck the plastic weight inside the ESIM up, closing the ESIM switch, and the PCM can monitor how long the switch stays closed to determine if, and how large the EVAP leak is.

[@robguysgarage5422]

could it be grounded inside the PCM for the same reason that a Ford mass air flow sensor has two grounds going to it? I'm going through the videos in your book and chapter 12 airflow sensors part 5 at the 17-minute mark you talk about why Fords uses two grounds going to the pcm, wondering if these two could be related?

[@ScannerDanner]

I think this one is different. Input circuits like that MAF and really all others, the grounds that go back to the computer are for noise reasons. I dont think it is all that critical on the ground of a pss output. Thanks so much for being a part of my classes!

[@bartscave]

I wonder if you can clean out the saturated carbon canister by hooking up an ac vacuum pump for a while.

[@ScannerDanner]

That would work

[@shaunadams3170]

i wish they could get the diagrams exact, because the SIG wire and the RTN wire both were labeled PWM. We know the SIG pulses the circuit because when the ground was constant the pulse was still happening. So could the ground be used to check the circuit for any other purge related codes other than purge solenoid circuit code? Like the p0440 GENERAL EVAP SYSTEM FAILURE? Ground circuit open is a possible causes. but if so why didnt it throw that code?

[@fascistpedant758]

FS1 don't reman the modules. They just test used PCMs and clean the outside. They disable the antitheft and program for your VIN.

[@Watchyn_Yarwood]

This crap happens on a lot of "rebuilds". C@rd0ne alternator no workie, got another, no workie, took it to an alternator shop, broke it open, wasn't even cleaned out inside, some part missing, diode I think he said. FIxed it for me for $10 + 30 mile one way to shop. Customer NOT happy, reflected back on me. Whatcha gonna do??

[@fascistpedant758]

@@Watchyn_Yarwood I'm not criticizing. They don't claim to do more than that. It's still a good deal. The only problem I've had was that it took almost four weeks to get it, covid hasn't helped.

[@raymondstucker1609]

Good luck with flagship

[@stevenrenner6918]

Quick problem: ( 2001 F150 5.4 L ) Problem: P0443 Not finding Shorts or Opens in circuit. Purge valve good. Purge n seal test. Good. Purge valve testing is good..opens and closes.. Thinking ECM controlled ground circuit is weak.. Thought?

[@pablomarquez4431]

What happened to the o2 code you previously had. Did you put in a new sensor or just replaced the ecu?

[@ScannerDanner]

I had my brother change it

[@mattt4183]

That ground went to 200mV with just a ~150mA test light. So it'd probably hit about 800mV when the solenoid is energized? Might be a crude shunt on the ground side inside the PCM?

[@ScannerDanner]

I believe I showed the ground voltage at the end while the solenoid was being energized? Thanks!

[@TheGb50]

I got one from flagship 1 for a 2008 ford taus work out great for me

[@mikesabin8568]

Not had success with flagship one. Not to mention ivan from pine hallow had a video on a rebuilt flagship one computer being junk. They don’t refund money either

[@canifixit3504]

I got a plug and play for my dodge truck about 4 month's ago i dont remember who i got it from but it was flagship one only complaint is my gas mileage isn't as good

[@williamprendergast4321]

it might be bringing ground back to computer to add flywheel diode (flyback diode)for switching the value with computer

[@1forhymforhym124]

Uncle Danner to you, Bo !!! I love it. 🤣

[@MarcCadieux-eb9xp]

Hi on my 2012 van i only read 9volt on the positive wire when the car activated the purge valve and the constant ground is good and i change the purge valve but i'm still aving p0443 and p0441 code what should i check then tanks

[@ScannerDanner]

It this a pulsed power or ground? I can't remember

[@mosesosuna]

I just got a pcm from flagship my original one kept giving me shifting problems but now with the new one I got from them I keep getting p0443 evap circuit and it will not go away and I didn’t have that code before

[@ScannerDanner]

Flagship is hit or miss. Unfortunately it sounds like a miss

[@brucebarnes4910]

I have seen Chryslers set ASD codes when doing actuation test with a scan tool.

[@ScannerDanner]

Really? Awesome thank you

[@diy_automotive]

I had a HORRIBLE experience with flagship one. I'm glad to see others have had success but I'll never use them again.

[@elijahyousif5952]

Could you one day do a video about 2015 Chevy Malibu stalling issues on cold start only because once it gets warmed up the stalling goes away

[@TheRallyCoop]

It may not stall under normal use as purge may occur when the engine is under load and not at idle.

[@Pablo_Automotive]

Thanks a lot for share always this kind of vídeos team Danner ☺👌🔧

[@williamgagnonroadboxservice]

Afternoon Danner

[@jonathanhart54]

Maybe the computer wants control of the ground for more precise control of the solenoid, like they do with DC 3 phase fuel pumps?

[@turbobuick33]

A few months ago I bought a pcm for my 95 camry from Flagship one. It cost $199 and took me almost a month to get. After I installed the pcm from Flagship, the car didn't drive the same. The shift points where all delayed and the OD light was flashing. And there was no WOT downshift at all. Apparently the car needed to learn the new pcm and after a few drive cycles, the car drove normal as before. The pcm went back to the default mode after a week of driving. I called customer service and I had to fill out a form about my issue and a few days later told me to ship the pcm back. I haven't done it yet because I dont have another car and I don't want to wait another month for it to come back.. Since then the car now has been driving normal. Except for the door locks flickering constantly back and forth when the driver's door is open with the key in the ign.

[@throttlebottle5906]

someone has other wiring issues to fix 🤨

[@alanjackson4397]

Why couldn’t you replace the charcoal canister just asking

[@ScannerDanner]

It will clean up on its own. Replacement not needed

[@josephwash109]

I'm wondering if the old PCM was actually good and just had a faulty external ground. It seems to explain everything. If the ASD relay uses that same ground, it seems likely that's why it was also setting a code for that. Intermittently, the ground reaches a point where it can't support current flow for everything, and it drops out. This would also explain the stalling, even after the replacement PCM was installed. If the ASD relay turns off, the coils and injectors lose power, and the engine stalls. Regarding the ground side wire to the PCM, it has to be there for the PCM to verify circuit integrity. Since it's a high-side driver, the PCM knows when it powers the high side of the circuit, but how can it verify the purge solenoid got the command? If the PCM applies a bias voltage to the solenoid coil and it can measure it on the ground side, the PCM knows the circuit is intact. No voltage measured indicates an open circuit, which will set a code.

[@ScannerDanner]

No sir, I proved the stall was the canister saturation and if it had a faulty external ground on this system: 1 - the problem would have still be there and 2- multiple circuits (not just one output) would have been affected.

[@josephwash109]

@@ScannerDanner Just shooting ideas out there. I hope I'm at least on the right track with that purge valve return/sense circuit.

[@samr.m.7709]

In terms of the ground going through the PCM and not being external, the only explanation I can think of, and I could be off here, is the design is to accommodate the engine harness & PCM, being used across multiple chassis and engine configurations and the engineers just deciding to go through the PCM instead of having to add in a splice and ground lug for this particular configuration. Just a thought.

[@ScannerDanner]

I love this thought

[@edwardthayer9386]

Thank you again for another great video and sharing your wealth of knowledge! And honestly!🙏 Hope you ain't getting the covid!!!!

[@syeedali1364]

I have a check engine lite. On. I order a computer from flag ship. Are you located in New York ( queens , Brooklyn or Long Island New York to install ).

[@ScannerDanner]

No sir. Pittsburgh Pa

[@syeedali1364]

@@ScannerDanner thanks. I thought you would have never got back to me.

[@nickayivor8432]

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[@lonnygraham54]

Got ECM FOR MY DODGE truck no problem at all

[@candicebeebe6688]

Reman ECM-- What about the miles ?????

[@biglevstergarage]

I put a Flagship One ECM on 2007 Dodge Charger 3.5 HO V6, due to hearing about how Chrysler 300 and Charger going into limp mode. Didn't have an issue and then, keep in mind too it had gone into limp mode about 3 times before replacing the ECM, then come to find out it went into limp mode again after the ECM replacement. Made a bad call again thinking throttle body was acting up on it, replaced that (I know Parts Changer cannon lol) then it went into limp mode again. Well did all the continuity checks to every sensor related pretty much dealing with this problem and never would guess why. Stupid red tabs on the wire connectors love to break off on Chrysler/Dodge vehicles at least in that MY and come to find out, my wife was helping me and I saw something happened on my Autel scan tool and it was either TPS or APP related and asked her what she did, she had wiggled the connector on the throttle body. That's when I had my AHA moment lol. The red tab being broken and not keeping it locked in place, the little vibration in the engine it jiggled off, so had to temporarily fix it till the owner can buy a new wiring connector for it. So in my book, Flagship One is okay to me. I do have a question for you and was wondering if I could email you my question at some point about an intermittent stalling that happens on my 2014 Chevy Malibu 2.5L LS 4 cylinder after certain Auto Stop events. My email is [e-mail] and awesome videos all the time from you. They help me tremendously. On a side note, I hadn't really watched many of your videos till after replacing that ECM on that Charger. Now I always check grounds, powers, fuses, everything I can. I even was able to diagnose my own car issues except the intermittent Auto Stop stalling on my vehicle better than the 3 weeks I took it to the dealership. So Thank You!! I appreciate you.

[@gaston50952]

I'd never buy from Flagship1. My Silverado had problem with the KAM, with their PCM I couldn't program the keys. I returned it and lost around $80.00. I could see that they sent me one straight from the junkyard. Bought one from Florida and done.

[@edwardthayer9386]

I'm willing to bet the people complaining about Flagship fired that ECM from the biggest parts cannon available!!!!

[@mikesabin8568]

Not true… I am a mechanic… A customer of mine had an engine computer on an early 2000s nissan. The computer burnt due to a solenoid drawing too many amps. He replaced it with a flagship one. Car still didn’t start. Took it to dealership. Dealership put in a new immobilizer and the flagship one computer wouldn’t take the program. Customer takes it to us. Since the immobilizer was new and oem and the flagship one computer could communicate, we got a used computer from junk yard… car started no problem. Also customer couldn’t get his money back. Also, pine hallow auto channel showed bad flagship one computer as well

[@edwardthayer9386]

@@mikesabin8568 it's called life my man! If you're looking for everything to be perfect then you need to keep looking. Because you won't find it in this lifetime! I can promise you that! With that out the way, alot of mechanic are far from mechanics, especially the ones that think they are or the "certified ones" With that being said I was speaking of my experiences with them. I've had way more OEM Parts come damaged or not working over the years compared to the remanufactured parts. Most of the time it's the "mechanic" and the few times that it's not just swap the part out, they offer lifetime warranty. It starts with the attitude you have when you call them!

[@edwardthayer9386]

@@mikesabin8568 WOW you believed the dealership!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mikesabin8568]

@@edwardthayer9386 you didn’t understand what i just wrote. I believed the dealership because they tried an oem immobilizer, and it didn’t work. Then i put in a used emc and the car started. This was after the customer already tried a flagship one computer. Try reading what i wrote again more careful next time

[@mikesabin8568]

@@edwardthayer9386 not sure what the whole comment about looking for life to be perfect is all about.. weird… I was commenting on a customer getting burned by flagship one… not needing a philosophy course

[@jimforsyth2.]

Chrysler is tuff with trying to trick a circuit. It seems there monitoring everything. The ads codes get you . You think you got it fixed and 16 key cycles later it sets a asd code.

[@lovetolearn5253]

I was talking with pinehollow ( Ivan) on a 2014 dodge van with a app code. I told him I figured it out app 2 signal keeps dropping out and he said look again. Sure enough that was not the issue. It ended up having the 5 volt supply shorting to ground (a wire rubbing, it was the hardest find because it only short for a split sec. plus it wouldn't act up for hrs). Its weird it only set app code even though the 5volt supplied throttle position, crank sensor and a couple other things. I would of got burned if it wasn't for ivan .

[@dans_Learning_Curve]

He's s smart guy!

[@ScannerDanner]

For sure. Ivan and I go way back as well! I would say he was a former student 😉 before he leapfrogged me in this field. But thats the way it is supposed to be!

[@Dr._Diag]

Why not pull the hose to the canister off at the purge solenoid (so you don’t have to actuate ANYTHING), attach it to a mightyvac fluid evacuator for 15 min (with the fuel filler cap removed so you don’t collapse the tank) to remove raw fuel, and vapors in order to prevent stalling condition. ASD (auto shutdown) circuit is controlled with a low side driver in the PCM, with a fused power supply on the voltage side. I would IMAGINE that the internal ground distribution got screwed up some when you made the ground for the purge solenoid. Now that the ground circuit is constantly grounded….. It’d be nice to see module power, and ground distribution.

[@dcomputers]

It's funny how us mechanics are debating about maybe the ground this and that key off lose ground trying to connect the dots to the issue when the answer is from the manufacturer of the computer who designed the internal circuit. But it sucks we can't call up the designer of the computer to ask them

[@jimmyphillips2216]

I also had an issue with Flagship 1 working on a Jeep Wrangler. After 3 weeks, no shipping notice and they kept telling me it would ship next day. I demanded refund and secured a PCM through other supplier. Long story short, they jerked me around and I lost weeks and customer started to think I was the issue.

[@richscruggs2858]

i have had bad results more than once, stopped with them

[@diy_automotive]

Same deal here. They didn't have the ecm I needed but said they'd rebuild the one we had. Vehicle issue was it would randomly stall. Got the ecm back and when it would crank the cruise control would pull it WOT. Took 4 weeks to get the ecm back after they said 1 week turn around, contacted them and they said they'd take care of it and send me a return label... 3 weeks went by with excuses and different people because the other person wasn't there etc. Then they said we damaged ecm before originally shipping and all kinds of crazy stuff, said they replaced the connector. After 2 months of being drug around on sending the unit back I decided to pop the cover off (no tamper label and still just as dirty as when we mailed it to them) it only appeared they replaced a few capacitors. Connector was never messed with and no jell removed from any part of the board besides where the 3 or 4 capacitors were.

[@Bwelsh1981]

DUDE! I've seen that too a On the App scan data on a Jeep. What is up with that? It almost got me until I scoped the Circuits from the PCM and realized it was BS! Man if I was a rookie I would have been thrown for sure.

[@ScannerDanner]

Crazy. Where you using a Snap-On scanner?

[@Bwelsh1981]

Yes. I have a Zues. Weird right?

[@ScannerDanner]

@@Bwelsh1981 next time I see it, ill put my autel on it too, I bet it is a Snap-On thing

[@Bwelsh1981]

Yea. I'd like to know 😉

[@alanw5879]

Does this model open the vent valve while purging? Ive been studying up on the 2001ish Ford evap systems and saw some interesting manifold vacuum readings, while things were turning on and off. Fords got a crazy weird evap testing strategy, I guess im just curious how much manifold vacuum actually drops during a purge if its at idle. That MAP looked like quite the drop.

[@ScannerDanner]

During a purge, the vent valve is always open. It only closes during a leak test

[@alanw5879]

@@ScannerDanner hence the map readings. I was watching the system purge while having a vacuum gauge on the intake, it was interesting to watch. It would go to 15in vacuum and then close , jump up to 20in. I can see now how a small leak , less than 0.020 can be hard to find lol

[@Robert-pi6vs]

Pittsburgh scanner Dan.

[@felixramos5808]

Just bought a PCM for an 02 Dodge Caravan from them. Supposedly programmed to the VIN and wont even start the car. Old one at least will.

[@ScannerDanner]

Yeah, they truly are hit or miss

[@calimesacox]

Used them alot... Hardest thing with them is customer service. Very frustrating. Once we get the order going they have been ok...

[@billziegmond4943]

Flagship one ECM for GM's sucked. I had to return everyone for refund. I had better luck buying used ones and reprogramming with my GM MDI2 and SPS.

[@outlawpete8758]

These guys are smart

[@robinsonsmotorcycleandauto3929]

Flagship 1 sucks in my experience and many others will also say the same thing.

[@Portuguese-linguica]

So now I'm wondering what would cause that computer to burn out.

[@JohnWick-xz9tc]

hook a fish tank air pump to the canister and let it run a few hours

[@PaulCTownsend]

I'm surprised that vehicle purges at idle.

[@billmonroe8826]

Damn, I just priced an ECU for a 2006 jeep and they are asking $850. I wonder why it was so much cheaper for this van?!

[@mph5896]

2005-6 Jeep computers are complete rubbish

[@billmonroe8826]

@@mph5896 I agree! But why the difference in price?

[@mph5896]

@@billmonroe8826 demand

[@haroldsoteco]

I have one only question to you mr.scanner Danner oh my gosh ...how to be you 🙂🙂🙂

[@williamcantrell]

I can’t comment on the quality of FS1 modules. The module for an older Ford Econoline church bus arrived after 6 weeks and a PayPal dispute. I had long since sourced the PCM elsewhere and got the van back on the road. Multiple calls to customer service went un answered. Buyer beware.

[@tracysmith8223]

Where you get your computer at if you don't mind me asking..I'm having to get on myself

[@williamcantrell]

@@tracysmith8223 I fixed the van with a used PCM. That’s the route I take if OEM is no longer available.