2013 Dodge Caravan Purge Valve Circuit Code P0443 (New purge valve) Part 1

In this video we will be covering the testing of an output solenoid (purge valve) P0443, wiring and the computer driver. We were surprised by what we found and ultimately what we did to fix the problem. Special thanks to my daughter May for helping dad with the cameras!
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[@xj31]

Hey man, I am a Chrysler dealer tech and I back probe!!! Don't lump me in with the rest of those bozos! 🤡 And i have to add this, You are lucky to have your daughter helping you. She did a great job. I have 4 sons and 1 daughter and she was and still is the most precious one to me. She is grown with a child of her own but she will always be my little girl. Enjoy the time you have with her because it flies by way too fast

[@ScannerDanner]

My apologies my friend 😉 I agree, sometimes I make blanket statements and I shouldn't. I know many phenomenal dealer techs!

[@xj31]

@@ScannerDanner No apology needed. I know a lot of dealer techs that front probe, are great with the parts cannon and afraid of actual diagnostics. It "takes too much time". It's weird how they have the time after the car comes back 3 times. Keep on doing what you are doing, and thank you for doing it!

[@kc360awareness]

@scannerdanner Came here to compliment you on your gentleness with May. Saw a lot of ridiculous comments. Sorry bro. You don’t deserve that at all.

[@robertgreen4050]

She did an excellent job

[@josephrosen8239]

Father to the fatherless is a jackass. This video was great. Paul you are a great teacher and Father. Keep it up!

[@Bwelsh1981]

I love your Kids brother. They are awesome! They support you 100% no matter what

[@roxanneabbott8424]

May you did wonderful job with the camera!!! Great study!

[@weshawkins7165]

Great video. Love your explanations of circuitry. I’m 65, been a mechanic all my life and wish I’d had your training 50 years ago. I’m proof an old dog can learn new tricks. Tell May, great job, Caleb better be looking over his shoulder.

[@rodvan-zeller6360]

Great job with the camera May. Your father is a great man he provides an excellent service to us diagnostic techs I have 41 years experience in auto repair and I always learn new things from your father. He loves you very much and is very proud of you I really enjoyed watching how you interacted with each other full of God's love , have a great new year and thank you for the video.

[@ScannerDanner]

Thank you brother

[@smilesmile392]

Sometimes, It’s ok for you. It’s always perfect for me. Thank you so much Mr Paul and to your lovely Daughter. I wish you happy new year guys

[@PeteSambolin]

Paul and May !! Father and Daughter what a beautiful thing to watch ... not to mention the interest May have went you explain the condition of the connector, went it was damage by other person that was testing the circuit integrity. I agree with the call you made! and yes let the costumer test drive and see what comes on if anything like a different DTC related with the Purge Solenoid.

[@dogsplantscarsneatstuff176]

Paul good to see you are supervised today! Watch him May! As always hi to Mrs. Danner.

[@thogevoll]

I like that you try to save some money for the customer when you can. May did a good job. My oldest son has a six year old daughter who likes to help daddy when he's working on the car and other things around the house. Have a happy new year.

[@NewLevelAuto]

Awesome job May! 👏

[@blockbertus]

Oh, hello Keith. Nice seeing you here. How ya doin'? :)

[@samcripes3046]

I feel I can speak for many. How are you doing Keith? How's Rocko? Would love a short video to see how y'all are doing.

[@prmayner]

I forgot, I love the verse on your daughters shirt. So cool. Peace be with you!! amen.

[@ramonacevedobravo4398]

Congrats to the new camera little one.. she did a good job… remind me of my daughter when she used to come to my garage!!!

[@rs1971camaro]

May did an outstanding job with the camera! Video and audio was very good.

[@OGsmooth-o2v]

Thanks, Paul you saved me a big headache, having the same PO443 code and problem in my town and country, put the test light on the purge, and no power I am used to the ground wire switching so started to panic, but now I know will be hooking that same ground wire on the purge. THANK YOU.

[@SteveSRT]

I used to love going to work with my dad. Don’t ever apologize for that because I’m sure she enjoyed it too. great video man, thanks for continuing to teach us.

[@wallysprint]

Danner venting on a tampered connector XD love the man's attitude.

[@john7017]

Another great video! May did an great job. Happy New Year to the Danner family. Thanks to Jimmy for having us at his shop again!

[@philh9238]

Danner always looks chill. Like he don’t care

[@MF-iy6oy]

Happy new year to you and the family Paul. May God bring you health, success and happiness!

[@labrat6910]

Good job May..You are an awesome camera girl!..Thanx again S.d.I have a faulty purge valve on an Opel that I am currently working on aswell.The rocker covers breather has a broken diaphram aswell that some bonehead decided to glue closed.

[@colejensen5812]

I would have liked to see a pin fitment check at the computer before calling the computer. Probably needs a computer, but still a good check. AESwave terminal test kit is great for pin drag.

[@mattpeters6006]

also check the computer power and grounds

[@V10PDTDI]

not only that there's a small chance that there is some corrosion on the pin or the wire is broken right at the pin crimp location but if it the computer is defective then the fix he did is fine but hope that it dosen't throw a fault code later on but even if it did it was not a expensive experiment.

[@Mr2004MCSS]

@@mattpeters6006 He did check the ground at the computer. That is what he was doing when he was under the car when it was on the lift.

[@mattpeters6006]

@@Mr2004MCSS he checked the solenoid ground at the computer but didn't check the computer power and grounds

[@Mr2004MCSS]

@@mattpeters6006 True but I would figure that if the computer itself was missing some grounds you would have way more issues showing up than what the scan tool showed.

[@kastooMcFry]

May did great! Thanks, Paul.

[@HouseCallAutoRepair]

Such a young professional.Can see she was a tiny bit bored, but held her composure! Very well done! Someone may have tried energizing the solenoid with B+ and touched the wrong side....?

[@Dr._Diag]

Answer to why PCM supplies a constant ground is noise, like you said. It’s called a “clean ground”. Almost done with the video. You’ve inspired me to start making videos while I’m diagnosing. We own a small shop in TN, but my background is mostly dealerships.

[@mike-yp1uk]

This channel is awesome. I just run it in the background and can pick up lots of good tech tips.

[@davidhowald583]

beautiful opening moment.....the rest is very educational. the first part is the most important

[@htownblue11]

Great to see the daughter working with you….tell Caleb he might get “Wally Pipp’d” if he doesn’t make it back soon. Great stuff as always.

[@spelunkerd]

Well done, man. And especially well done by your daughter, May.

[@jimmyvancleef3593]

Great techs are very hard to find. Thanks for making the average youtube watcher better wrenchers than most shops

[@bsdubois]

How do you know it is not a bad pin in the connector that plugs into the ecu? Perhaps the dealer’s tech pulled the connector and botched that barrel socket also. Just a thought. Is it worth checking the ground pin on the ECU to case ground? Perhaps you did just that and the old man missed it.

[@richard1835]

I always enjoy watching Paul and Company diagnosing vehicles. Thank you

[@fascistpedant758]

Happy New Year to all. Give Mae an extra hug for us.

[@oilrag22]

Awesome work by May and you, Paul!! Always good to see her, when Caleb's obviously is dropping the ball😂😂 just kidding!! Great camera work May, hope to see you make more pocket money in the future💪🏻

[@isalmankhan1]

What a way to start the new year "We're back without Caleb"😉 Cool intro, Love your style SD😍 Happy New Year to the Danner Family Stay Blessed Guy's❤

[@Magnacharger07]

Glad I bumped into this channel again I'm getting caught up. I need to find your waveforms again.

[@donniejohnson7499]

Great job Camera girl May !!! Great video Paul Danner.

[@stationaryenginesworldwide]

great camera work May! and you and your Dad make a great team ..looking forward to a new year with you Paul and Caleb happy new year!

[@jesustovar7931]

Enjoyed your videos. Your helper sounds like me when I see and learn cool stuff!

[@anthonyizzo1654]

Great video one thing you missed that is important. When there is O2 sensor code and multiple cylinder misfire is to read freeze frame data look at the adaptive fuel memory. If the adaptive fuel memory is very high or very low on the bank the O2 sensor code is on then it is probably the O2 sensor set the multiple cylinder misfire code. I'm a dealer tech for what it is worth. Cheers

[@PedroGonzalez-yr6xd]

Hello everyone May this year that begins be excellent. Congratulations to scanner danner. He is an excellent person and has enormous knowledge. My apologies if the text is misspelled. Because I don't speak English and use a translator I am from Mexico and he admired him as a father, as a great professional and a great teacher You don't listen to the garbage they say to criticize or play it The person who plays it, first has to see the mistakes of and correct them, Before criticizing you I wish his videos had Spanish subtitles. To if your channel would be bigger than it is.

[@ScannerDanner]

Thank you my friend!

[@steveanderson4553]

Great Video Paul ! I really enjoyed watching ! Enjoy that precious time with your little girl, as you know they grow up fast. Your daughters make up was very tasteful, I loved your response to that fool who Chimed in. 😉🤜🤛

[@ready2blowup]

Can’t believe she’s the same little girl from the one video when she was sorting your tools playing with the cat while he found the chewed mouse wires. All grown up wow time flies!

[@johnbonifas6040]

It was funny when you said let's do the math and may said I'm not in school LOL I would have done the same thing I've been following you for a long time Paul you are awesome

[@luismarty1685]

Thank you very much for all of the exceptional videos.

[@TheCarTakerGarage]

May did a great job for sure :)Its not an easy task doing the camera work for 3 hours. Well done ,May :) Also...the video did not suck...its a very nice video ,Paul ;) Basic is good :)By the way ,Happy new year to you and your loved ones:) Greetings from the NorwegianCarViking,Stefan :)

[@joshuapruden6497]

That part where you were growling then you cut to Harry in dumb and dumber having toilet nuclear fallout was HILARIOUS! I mean i did NOT expect that. Had me laughing!!!! Excellent editing!

[@1202Sid]

I would recommend a flyback diode on that chassis grounded solenoid. That protects the switching transistor from spikes when the circuit opens.

[@annaplojharova1400]

The transistor has clamping circuit designed to handle the flyback (you could rest assured it is not the transistor going into breakdown, but it is really an active circuit controlling the transistor the way to control the flyback voltage), there is no need to add anything extra there. To the contrary, adding a diode is not a good idea, as it may mess up some of the diagnostics.

[@hawkman8835]

I use an AES Wave master probe kit on a daily basis and freaking love it for front probing

[@cullenmiller8170]

Happy New Year. Don't sweat the camera and audio issues to much. I come here for the content and to learn. Just follow Wes from Watch Wes Work. He always says it's temporary unless it works. 😂 All the best for 2022 to you and your family.

[@robertmobileman8304]

Happy new year to you all , looking forward to a new year watching your videos and learning, thanks for all you do 🇬🇧

[@TheWrench97]

Being a FCA product it may be a good idea to check all the grounds going to the PCM as FCA ground lugs seem to be a high failure item.

[@davekleiboeker4614]

Right bad grounds are all over Dodge Caravan

[@H.H.A.K]

Your daughter so cut, god bless you all 🌹

[@gatorgotme]

Good video…great job May! Happy New Year Danners!

[@rickw.9298]

Hey Paul, It is a design consideration about reducing the possibility of stray ground loops within the system; with or without having circuit monitoring available on the ground side. You will find this design consideration in many applications from vehicles to buildings; for both control & power circuits.

[@ismailbayram336]

Hello, I am from Turkey and I really like your videos.

[@luismarty1685]

Happy new year Paul and family!

[@patriot2164]

Happy New Year ! Good to see Her Back ! Making the money !

[@saaaron5213]

If the new ground wire works out, Danner is going to have one happy customer.

[@josephs9268]

Another great video as always. Was great to see May helping out again. Great duo. Keep em coming Paul.

[@victorarevalo108]

I am curious as to why/how PCM went bad. Great video learned a lot 👍🏽👍🏽

[@SchrodingersBox]

May did great. Can’t see how the ground side is going to fail in the PCM. I mean how do you get only high current on a ground side enough to fry it? i would totally expect power side to fail but not ground side.

[@patrickzambori473]

Because the module is providing both power and ground, excessive current caused by a shorted solenoid coil will burn out the weakest point in the circuit. I suspect the initial failure was a shorted solenoid, which burned out the ground path, then the solenoid got replaced on the first repair attempt, before the dealership got their hands on it.

[@williamsongilay9488]

Thank you for uploading another great vid. I really like these 40mins or longer videos where i can pick up the nitty gritty stuff. Yesterday i diagnosed a "cranks but no start". As soon as i had the hood opened, i was hearing your voice echoing in my head like "Check for fuel, Check for spark". I answered "ok spark first" Pulled the coil and the plug out.. Cranked the engine- no spark.. It was a coil on plug btw. Is it the plug or is it the coil? "Do i go left or do i go right" Then i pulled my spark tester which i bought after i saw you using it. It was the vid were as soon as you turn the key on the coil was firing immediately. So i stuffed the spark tester into the coil and the other end on ground... Not on the battery cause you said it may cause the battery to explode... Cranked the engine over.. and there was spark... So coil was good and all three spark plugs were busted.. It took me lest than 10mins to diagnose. Replaced all three plugs . Cranked it. Engine starts. And i said "We're done"

[@exmotorsports]

May did AWESOME.. good to have that back-up camera gal to take place when needed. Good job May 😀👍 Great stuff as usual Paul. I was wondering if that computer ground side would monitor when it gets commanded during a test drive. Like you said, different code most likely. Curious to how that turns out. Hey, Another thought on the P0300 is, maybe that computer ground momentarily came back to life and did the flood work and caused that shutter/misfire the customer experienced. (Hmm..) Just a thought. 😉 Totally agree with you on supplying the ground to the purge. Would have done the same as well. Save that money bro. Lol Anyways, I saw the to be continued so I bet there's an update to the case study, especially on the purge repair. Look forward to seeing it and more in 2022. Happy New Year to you and the Danner gang. Cheers

[@jrneff9773]

how can i turn my hair green wait i only have 3 hairs on my head just funning thank you may and paul

[@benmudn]

May thanks for the great camera work and bringing us along. Now where is my giant test light, I have some terminals that need some spreading. lol

[@ws2664]

I had a 2013 Jeep Liberty over the summer time with the same problem, my testing came up with the same thing you did, I too installed a ground on the same wire it lasted a day and the same circuit code came back on, so I removed the ground and recommended a computor or drive with the light on, haven't herd back so we don't have a fix but the seperate ground didn't seem to work like I had hoped.

[@davidepps267]

Just a thought, would it be worthwhile checking the computer end of the harness to check that they didn't damage the connector there as well ? Computer then could still be ok.

[@sambitar8448]

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.

[@yadavsadha2577]

Sir I salute ur doutor she is helping u

[@noelvillafane7747]

honest master Danner the 1# go to video

[@adeljad4735]

You are great learning a lot from you u are the best 👌

[@nukelauncher95]

Great video, Paul and nice camera work, May! I used to work at Audi. We would totally be authorized to run a bypass/overlay wire in this situation. I'm pretty sure that the entire Volkswagen Group publishes information on how to do it correctly. They even do overlays on Porsches and Bentleys! Either Chrysler corporate doesn't approve that type of repair, which I doubt, or that dealership just wants to sell an expensive PCM.

[@jeffcompton6937]

Firstly once the car is out of factory warranty it's no longer a corporate decision. Dealerships can make more decisions on what constitutes an approved repair. So if they chose to not do the ground overlay its because the tech didn't realize it would remedy the dtc or because from a liability standpoint if that repair was successful and the ecm then had another failure point guess what. The Karen customers of today would be wanting that repair refunded. This is why lots of dealers wont give customers this option because when you're already so pissed about having to pay for repairs you'll never appreciate a cheaper alternative that has some risk. That's why. When the consumers attitude changes so cam the procedure

[@Saykes1994]

Hello from Ukraine and Happy new year !!!

[@cardiaglexia995]

Paul all good for you and your family in 2022.May ist so groß geworden,ich sah sie noch dein werkzeug aufräumem,schön deine tochter ist bei dir in der werkstatt.sind deine schönsten videos familie danner (mit deinem bruder) Alle zusammen.bleibt alle gesund und du bist für deine studenten da.alles gute und viel gesundheit lg.

[@paulfiebke3909]

Love and pray all is well

[@shieldcracker]

Bravo! Great video. EMC, electromagnetic compatibility is an aspect of modern vehicles electronics that is not often considered out on the job. EMC testing is done at the factory to insure that the vehicle's systems do not interfere with each other by keeping the integrity of all the systems signaling, control and communication circuits. Modern engine I/O controls have a return line back to the computer to minimize EM interference aka noise. The load return line allows EM field cancellation (noise) all the way back to the computer where it is grounded. However some loads do not require this kind of treatment and aren't designed with a return conductor. Now will the DEVICE in question work properly if the return line is bypassed at the device? That depends on if and how the PCM detects the output voltage/current to the device. Most PCMs detection circuits are direct reading and could be implemented at the supply side or return side, It is simpler to do so at the return side but there is a catch. First you cannot observe the current supplied by source, you only observe the current that returns at the return point, so the computer cannot reliably detect a short circuit. Second, additional consideration has to be given to ground potential transients and noise coupling. There is a good chance that your application has the detection circuit located at the supply side because it is desirable to addresses both limitations described above. So the bypass modification allows the DEVICE to work, what about EMC on the modified circuit? That is the real question....time will tell. My only advise would be to do the bypass at the computer end of the line vs doing it at the device end of the line un.

[@mostlymoparih5682]

Good stuff Professor. Happy Motoring and Happy New Year.

[@Zero-Honest]

Best wishes to U and to your familly. Learning them as U can.

[@jbaerial537]

Happy New Year and God bless you and your family. As to grounding externally. If this is my 20 year old daughters car with 149,000 miles on it then in my book this is a good fix because it doesn’t have another 150,000 more miles left in it. I do agree that a diode in the ground wire could add protection and is a good idea. But with an older vehicle with higher miles, sometimes this is the best answer for a problem. If it had 70,000 to 80,000 miles then yeah, put a computer in after all other problems have been confirmed. There is a time and place for everything. This was right in my book. Love ya in the Lord Paul. Great content and thank you for what you do.

[@douglash3129]

Hi Paul and May ,I hope I spelled your name right, Great video as usual and you Young Lady did a fine job.Great kids Paul,ataboy!

[@wildmandon1]

A couple of points about Chryslers. (1) Checking to see if it's a power or ground side control, on older Chryslers that ground side switched, You will only have power for a few seconds when switching key on. With out a RPM signal it will de-energize ASD relay which was suppling the 12v. So if you're checking after a few seconds, you will have nothing on both terminals. (2) I'm really surprised you didn't check all computer grounds at PCM. Chrysler has many any you could be missing one of them and vehicle still runs. It uses that ground to supply ground to the components.

[@jameswasher3938]

Happy New Year Paul. One question. Back in the old days, you always had us checking powers and grounds at the PCM. Just wondering if the 'missing' ground here could have anything to do with a bad ground at the PCM. Seems unlikely that it would have a separate ground for just this one circuit. You've really got me wondering why it would power side switch this thing. The electronic design is much easier (at the transistor level) with ground side switching. Oh well. Another of life's mysteries.

[@Discretesignals]

Was thinking that too. Also something that came to mind was checking the PCM connector and pins for damage.

[@jameswasher3938]

@@Discretesignals Brilliant thought about the PCM connector pin.

[@jdtractorman7445]

@@jameswasher3938 Yeah it sure is. Maybe the hack that spread the pins on the purge valve attacked the PCM ones too, LOL.

[@Turbotomass]

Also thinking where is the check of pcm grounds. What caused the ground circuit to fail in the pcm??

[@randyr.parker2698]

@@Turbotomass And, why just the one, why not more? Seems odd to me.

[@victorgonza4528]

Well done Danner .

[@danman9017]

great video ,cute dauther and camera man ,happy new year.thank for the video

[@Portuguese-linguica]

Very nice work may . And Paul I wish your family and celebs new little family the best . ( Edit ) I'm wondering if that wire could be broken some where or corrosion on a pin at the computer connection.

[@thomasbotch6161]

Consider that the floating (control ground) can be connected internally to the gate (or other terminal) of a transistor ... if the ground is hard wired completed and not floating a small bias current may be established ... like a small parasitic circuit bleed. This means the system device experiences a constant current across an internal transistor resistance (very very small voltage drop) ... hence the device sees power through it which means equates with wear and tear while not monitoring or doing other useful work.

[@tracydiller9378]

Another great video Paul as always and meg did a great job filming.Glad to see her doing good and safe.Looking Forward to Part 2 Happy New Year to all lets pray it's a better year for all of us.Stay safe everyone GOD BLESS.

[@andrewwmacfadyen6958]

How fast they grow up ♥️

[@throttlebottle5906]

lol @ "pinched myself really bad" = instant response of ""you dummy"" 🤪 had to pause the movie so I could catch my breath and hear again.

[@Charliecg111]

Yall are awesome! Truly life changing. I wish I had found this channel years ago. I don't know how it is elsewhere, but I've changed multiple shops, jumped through countless hoops. I've been subjected to every form of, what they finally coined as since Trump got doused by CNN, gas lighting. Before the crackheads go apesht; I've only ever voted for one president and that was Obamas second term because the world needed it. Maybe not where any of you are but where I grew up and how I saw people treated growing up.. the world needed it. That and I found out he gave the go ahead on Osama while he was at a dinner party. Which to mean was a pinpoint to the source at the time.. At a Dinner Party. No one in possession of their own mind and person takes one source's side of any story and commits to action, much less reaction. We all saw what was happening. Made me distance myself from both parties. I mean lieing against my character, education, every kind of personal attack and then some to slander any kind of potential or abilities. The schools around here suck. I know because I'm the one that was training the kids out of the school programs. We all just had to teach eachother and then filter out the setups and glass ceilings from lead techs and crooked GMs. The world didn't turn on me until I filed legitimation and refused, to this day, to walk away. I've even stopped getting arrested, as often, and I've never been so hated for existing. Guarantee if I walked away, the world would be given back to me on a silver platter. Yall don't ever have to defend anything to anyone. The fact that yall are doing this for the .. P l a n e t is all anyone who knows and lives the truth will ever need. For anyone else, just change the channel. You can't please em all and the more you try the more they burry you with anything you give to them. Thankyou. For a lifetime, my sons, of bs and upward battles and barriers. Thankyou

[@MechanicTechnicianRepair]

Experience diagnosis master. Happy new year. Muii. Buen trabajo tu. Hija saludes noel matute

[@chrismelms9425]

I wonder if the driveability concern is from the computer randomly being able to reconnect that ground and it floods the engine with fuel vapors then spiking the O2 sensor and also causing the random misfire code. Maybe I'm wrong but that's just my two cents.

[@ScannerDanner]

That was my suspicion for sure! But from memory that O2 looked like crap too, and another scenario is the O2 starts creating some huge, abnormal swings in fuel trim and there is your misfire code too

[@fascistpedant758]

Happy New Year Mrs. Danner, I hope you're doing well.

[@canadatransistor]

throwin' hot dogs in a hallway jokes - except your little girl was around - i better zipper my mouth. Nice to see your daughter taking part of the family biz! Happy new year!

[@salvadorg2621]

Hey camara 👧 u r doing a wonderful job 👏

[@55azguy]

Perfectly done, it is the way my I would have done it before I retired. 👍

[@jgeorges3061]

Paul, thanks for an AWESOME video/information you been sharing I truly appreciate the time and effort to do this all the best and happy new year to u and family cheeeers from Canada/Ontario.