BEST-SOUNDING A2 BIKE you can buy in 2024 - CFMOTO 450MT exhaust sound [RAW Onboard]

[@renssimons]

The way you downshift is making my amateur rider brain melt. Great video, the bike sounds amazing!

[@Schaaf]

Thanks

[@Tiaan90]

@Schaaf's downshifts are simply chef's kiss! He's also doing most upshifts clutchless without quickshifter 😁 I had revmatching programmed in my brain when I started riding as I had been tracking cars, but it can be learned in an hour or so if you understand the process. And I've also spent some time getting clutchless upshifts right myself this season. This kind of shifting is so rewarding!

[@don_alex_97]

I'm so happy that someone good at bike reviews like you has finally reviewed this bike, and the way you lean on that tall bike with thin tyers on the corners ... OMG you're a pro.

[@Schaaf]

Thanks man

[@vladychiez]

I was just thinking about you riding the CFMoto 450 MT, and I opened YT this is the first I saw. Just wow! Hahah! Thank you for making this... I am really looking into getting this motorcycle, it's affordable and packs a lot of features and based on countless reviews it's pretty good beginner bike. Awesome video, sound and visuals as always! ✌

[@Schaaf]

I'm sure it's a great choice indeed! Thanks

[@lecoureurdesbois86]

It's like if an enthusiast took the reins of CF Moto and said "let's make the coolest lineup ever" and they're really getting there with their latest releases...

[@Schaaf]

Indeed!

[@jaide1312]

It's crazy how quickly CFmoto is getting better, from lackluster Kawasaki copies so some real appealing bikes, they're the first to put a 270 crank in an A2 parallel twin, and comparing the sound of this to a Ninja 500 it's no contest. That new 675 sport bike also looks a lot more appealing than the Triumph Daytona 660 does, and it's cool they're dabbling in small inline 4's and retro sport bikes with that 500 voom model. The only gripe is that the dealers are further away than those for any of the Japanese brands, and no new bike can match the value of a used Japanese bike.

[@jaegermeister1968]

The 450MT is basically a KTM, the engine and gearbox were developed by KTM and would have been intended for the new 490 Adventure with more power. The design comes from the Austrian company Kiska, which also designs all KTMs.

[@davea9946]

Royal Enfield have been doing it for 5 years with the Interceptor 650. A2 version of MT07 has been our for years also.

[@Schaaf]

True that. The speed of their progress is insane!

[@seguridadxera]

@@jaegermeister1968 I read this week that the engine was made by Cfmoto but designed by Honda.

[@SigmaCenaturi]

Your downshifts are so smooth!

[@Schaaf]

Thanks

[@Stickmister360]

CFMOTO has come a really long way. I was at my local dealer and they still had a cfmoto 700cl-x they couldn't sell. There is nothing wrong with their older models, I just never found their Kawasaki clone engines appealing and a lot of people think very negative on these bikes because they are Chinese. They see less of the older cfmoto's in their shop than they do their honda and yamaha customers with brand new bikes. It is insane the bang for buck you get with these newer models and engines. I'd love to ride a 450mt to compare it to my KLR650 and I'm also excited for their 675 Triple sportbike that's coming out!

[@TheLastCrankers]

For real, my local market in poland has so many CL-X' off by sometimes even 30% it's wild

[@desertedcake]

Because it's chinese KTM. The worst combination to come from overseas.

[@GPz84]

Once CF moto gets past that made in China stigma, if they can, they'll sell more bikes. People start posting vids or reviews on bikes with high milage and good reliability you'll see more of them on the road. Problem is when this happens their prices go up and for a bit more coin you can get a bike from the big 4 Japanese brands.

[@SatansBaby1]

Chinese bot, stop pushing your bikes here. I work in a place that sells them and services them! When our contract ends, will never get any chines bikes again. We sold 18 450mt, of that 18, something like15 came back for warranty claims and not one, but few times and they are new bikes. Dont remember how many dashboards screens we replaced, and everything takes 4weeks + for part to arrive. These are cheap bikes that look great, but its still a cheap bike. We also sell hondas, not one came back! Out of lets say 100 kawasakis 1 came back for something minor, cant remember. Royal enfiled had few in about 50 sold, nothing major, mostly battery. So NO!, they are not as good, just cheap!

[@Schaaf]

Thanks for sharing guys

[@stone10473]

I think this vid sealed the deal for me! Great bike and sound! Your riding style = PERFECT.

[@Schaaf]

Glad you liked it!

[@Tubed-i5n]

Picked mine up two weeks ago, smilin' ..it is such a good value bike for the price. It does everything I ask of it. ✌️😎

[@Schaaf]

Nice!!

[@makuru3395]

Super Video, guter Sound, das BESTE ist, keine Musik!Danke 😎👌👍✌

[@Schaaf]

Danke auch!

[@MotoTrauma]

I had the occasion to test this 450MT, it is a lovely motorcycle, very imposing on the road, nice video! Keep the good work up

[@Schaaf]

Thanks a lot!

[@ciubacabrax]

Very good sound and very aesthetic bike

[@Schaaf]

Thanks

[@lawrieyoutube4375]

I have been waiting for an accomplished rider like you to show it on the twisties. Thank you. I have one, and it find a lot of fun on tarmac. Nimble for an ADV with this size frame. Gear shift is sweet. Yes, I can feel it ride up onto those outside knobs. For this reason, and safety, I won't fit aggressive knoblies. Because even if you're going off road at your destination, 'getting there' should be still be fun. (Australia)

[@Schaaf]

Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR would be great for mainly road use I think

[@lawrieyoutube4375]

@@Schaaf Thanks

[@valdish4369]

The looks and sound are awesome, if this bike is reliable, it might be my favorite A2 Motorcycle ever

[@Schaaf]

I hope it is!

[@sapte62]

Absolutely love your shifting, mate.

[@Schaaf]

thanks a lot!

[@mrboostification]

sounds awesome.

[@Schaaf]

thanks!

[@VDAVK]

Just got mine a week ago. love it

[@Schaaf]

Congrats!!

[@Tiaan90]

Great riding! And great review! I've been keen on trying one of these all summer, but they sold out immediately..! I love the gearing as it seems you can hoon it without driving like a maniac 😄 And I'm all for the "More fun to drive a slow bike/car fast than a fast bike/car slow" ehtos.

[@Schaaf]

yep! Thanks!

[@RobinTorrekensTravelVlog]

Been waiting for your findings. Love mine! Especially since I bought it in Romania, 5600 euro all in.

[@Schaaf]

Awesome, congrats!

[@WhoWhereTheBee]

Darn, this thing just goes! Didn't think it would be able to take off like this.

[@Schaaf]

thanks!

[@TwistTheThrottle2024]

I find that the engine winds out even better once you change to a 15T sprocket. Loved it stock, love it even more now!

[@Schaaf]

Nice!

[@iggiclmrs]

Does this void the warranty?

[@TwistTheThrottle2024]

@@iggiclmrs no

[@Cessayr]

@@iggiclmrs Not like you cant build that back in 30 min before pushing it to the dealer ;) I would be more concerned about the legality in your country. Insurance companies are searching for any reason to void your claims...

[@WNBoxer1974]

Master of ZwischenGas 🤘

[@Schaaf]

thanks ;)

[@zardportugal]

I agree 110% with your review text. Ethic must be preserved. Cheers.

[@Schaaf]

thanks!

[@rexeverything100]

Do the 800nk please would like to see you testing that to the limits

[@Schaaf]

Can't choose the bikes I get to ride

[@rexeverything100]

@Schaaf what a shame I think its a great bike

[@robertmifkovic6325]

It's baby Tenere.

[@Schaaf]

Thanks

[@deanzaZZR]

Is it ethically and morally OK to purchase an iPhone designed in California, assembled in China with most of the profits filtering back to Cupertino?

[@hondaslex]

So true.

[@Schaaf]

I don't even know if it's morally OK to buy ANY new motorcycle. Basically all of them use components (especially in the electronics department) that were produced in low-wage countries. It's a complicated matter that needs serious debate. That's why you can't discuss something like this in a KZbin comment section.

[@siddheshshivraj3534]

If the consumer benefits then purchase it!

[@ehiggins7476]

You probably commented from a Chinese made phone or computer, drive a car with most of its parts made in China. Everything you use consume and want it’s tied to China. Get off your high horse

[@oversteer_9339]

Dude literally the mines itself that helps produce 99 percent of everything we use is slave mining. Without proper safety equipment. So if you wanna save the world. Love under a rock and stay primitive

[@stevesane800]

Great riding as always! The tyre & wheel bearing noise would get to me apart from off-road. I don't live in the forest unfortunately.

[@Schaaf]

Thanks Steve

[@dmv118]

Sounds great even with a stock exhaust! I've been growing as a CFMoto fan, and I'm excited for their future, I've only ridden my friend's 400NK which is another world compared to my Dorsoduro 1200. It was an okay bike, nothing special, it's almost as heavy as the Dorsoduro. These newer bikes with look way more fun to ride than CF's older bikes. Keeping my eyes on the 800NK.

[@ercanyesiltas]

400nk is the worst cfmoto product you can ride along with the 650nk

[@Schaaf]

thanks!

[@jesusvelasol]

That’s my bike 😍

[@gabormartin2052]

Schön Auspuff Music. Schöner als mein stock T7 Music.

[@Schaaf]

Nice!

[@MajomHus]

Cf-moto and Kove are coming out with some great offers. I would love to see you ride the new Kove 800 Rally, looks promising.

[@Schaaf]

Thanks

[@TheBreizhoo]

Hi, thank you for this video. I really like the safe cornering you have on the road, it's a master class each time. I'm trying to reprog my brain doing the same ! This bike is very interesting indeed. It not only gives a lot for the price, it's also modern and pretty. I'm thinking to it as a second bike for offroad trails. It combines price, quality, good feeling, and real offroad capabilities. And it's my feeling, but I like the look and the sound. Agree with you regarding the geopolitical aspect of taking an asian bike, however, let's be honnest, most of the motorbike makers use asian engines, including BMW for the small / medium blocks. Only the flat is still built in Germany. The orange bikes you mention have Bajaj / KAMMI engines as well. It was predictible to see new comers from asia, proposing full bikes as they build engines & parts for a long time for the World production. I don't say it's good, or it's not, this is only facts to keep in mind. Asia & India can do the worst and the best, it's simply a matter of specifications and quality checks. If you pay the price for the best, and control the production, you get the best. Thank you again for the work on this channel

[@Schaaf]

Thank you for taking the time to write such an elaborate comment!!

[@chrisdadigger1018]

It makes me wanna try the 450ss

[@Schaaf]

Do it

[@seemerollin675]

Great video! Anything planned if you going to ride the kove800x?

[@Schaaf]

Thanks!! So far no Kove rides planned

[@the.communist]

3:40 went in a little hot

[@Schaaf]

stayed 100% within my desired riding line. Actually entering hot would look a bit different ;)

[@The6rezax]

great review, could you do the raw onboard on himalayan 450 on next vid?

[@Schaaf]

Unfortunately missed to film that one

[@travishimself1973]

I’m thinking about adding one to bridge the gap between my 1250gsa and 500 excf. The front end seemed to hold up in hard braking ok but I assume the fork was compressing a fair bit. You certainly gave it a hard time for a 21” on dual sport tyres. Hard to argue with the price here in oz anyway.

[@Schaaf]

Try the Himalayan as well. I think it performs even better

[@7starsfear]

I think CFmoto is good, most owners i encountered rode the 800mt and they all loved it. Even i am considering the new 800MTX because the 890 Adv-R is just too expensive.

[@Schaaf]

Makes sense!

[@boriscichosz7171]

Habe die Ehre ... aus Hamburg. 🔥

[@Schaaf]

Besten Dank :)

[@Andre-Mostert]

That looks like some German roads but might be wrong, you ride like that here in the UK and you would be in the bush lol with all the crap and pot holes on the roads. It amazing what they can turn out for this price and you gave the tyres a good work out.

[@Schaaf]

We have roads like that as well but I choose not to film those

[@Andre-Mostert]

@@Schaaf so true what you say about the Chinese bikes and its great to see the lesser brands making bikes that the clients want. Cheers for the feedback.

[@mathieusoudier4424]

At that price point, stick good tires on it and it's a really great bargain, looks good too (Touareg like) a real home run I think for CF moto.

[@Schaaf]

Yep

[@mariohabinger378]

nice look, awesome sound, great enrichment to the segment. It seems that the big orange brand is heading in the right direction in terms of quality by producing more and more bikes in CN🤣 i recently learned in Czech KTM stands for "Každej Tejden Motor" ~ "Engine Every Week" in England: 'Keeps taking money' and in Sweden it's "Knuffa Till Mål" - push to the finish line. 🤣🤣🤣 but still I love´em

[@Schaaf]

ahahaha indeed! And thanks for the cultural enrichment :D :D

[@zalman31]

En france on dit "Ducati boîte à outils". In france we say "Ducati : toolbox

[@gerokatseros]

hahaha i didn't know that other countries have a special translation for KTM, here in Greece we say "Κάθε Τετάρτη Μάστορα" which translates to "every wednesday to a technician"!

[@FelixReiff]

I´m gonna extend this list with the German version KTM = "Keine Tausend Meter" = "No thousand meters" :D

[@churchofbrap876]

KTM only has 2 models assembled in China. All other models ( over 100) are made in Austria.

[@TheBlackSheepBoy]

You mentioned it's the tires that are the weakest link that kept you from getting your full experience with it. but what about for everything else (on road) that isn't aggressive riding? It's good though that tires are replaceable. also I found that they released an update that helped smooth out the fueling a bit too.

[@Schaaf]

It's good. Wind protection is barely there and damping comfort sucks. But apart from that it'll work great for long distance touring. It supposedly is very reliable as well

[@David-m7f3g]

Bro you ride like a pro ❤ live this Bike. Have it in my Garage. Where is this track in Germany? I should protect the Bike in my Garage !

[@Schaaf]

Thanks

[@neebitno1210]

You gotta test out the CfMoto 450 sr, wpuld love to know what you think about it

[@Schaaf]

Maybe next season

[@laurentlong4702]

It reminds me when you were riding your CB500 haha

[@Schaaf]

Good!

[@Chris5685]

Any chance of a Benelli TRK raw?

[@Schaaf]

Unfortunately not

[@patrickminhwelt1106]

can you try the cfmoto 800MT ? I think you would like it

[@Schaaf]

I already did, didn't like it

[@btb300]

I haven't heard this live yet, but all the videos sound amazing. How does it compare to Benelli TRK 502? That sounds surprisingly good, too.

[@Schaaf]

never rode the 502

[@btb300]

@Schaaf Perhaps one day then. It has a 360 degree crank angle, so a bit different character than the nowadays popular 270 degree twins.

[@tiagovitor2235]

Ok friend! That was wonderful! But I also want a video when you get a Zontes 703 F adventure. If you can tell us about this experience please. The Chinese three-cylinder.

[@Schaaf]

thanks! Can't choose the bikes I get to ride!

[@gokulkrishm51]

"Expensive orange ones" LOL

[@Schaaf]

;)

[@MotoArchie]

Hi! What kind of tyres do you recommend for this bike? Video fantastic as usual 😎

[@Schaaf]

Depends on your plans

[@MotoArchie]

@@Schaaf 80% twisty road/20% gravel

[@seguridadxera]

Love your videos. Is there a better adv for more or less the same price ?

[@Schaaf]

Himalayan 450

[@seguridadxera]

@@Schaaf Thanks. i am surprised, most people prefer the cfmoto.

[@adrianbeacon6421]

@@Schaaf Can you elaborate a bit what you've liked more on Himalayan 450?

[@george3021]

Try the 800 mt too! Love from Greece! 💪

[@Schaaf]

Did, didn't like it

[@hatchetman2379]

Maybe the new BMW F450GS will be that light uniocrn, will the new KTM 390 super adventure even get a chance? I really like the look of some of the CFMOTO bikes, the only thing that stops me is the lack of dealer support and the resale value.

[@Schaaf]

I doubt the small GS will be significantly lighter but let's just wait and see

[@chislmondi]

i love the sincerity. And yes, cfmoto does spend very little in terms of tires (even my 450 nk has awful ones) but i personally thinks that is because the A2 licence bikes from cf are targeted for novice bikers, that "usually" dont lean that much so they don't need expensive tires. I have done 2500 kilometers on mine and i feel that this tires don't bring justice to the machine itself. anyway beautiful video :)

[@Schaaf]

Thanks! It's not a big issue in my opinion. Tires can be replaced easily ;)

[@chislmondi]

@@Schaaf true!

[@jeffreeze666]

hello , good job ,try this with much bigger gear (best vmax ) and shifter/blipper please ,this motocycle is amazing and cheap oh yeah !

[@Schaaf]

OK

[@BudoReflex]

Nice. I notice the blurred speedo above 130? …lucky. We got to go max 110, only on country highways.

[@Schaaf]

100 is the limit

[@Arunachalamkrishnan]

hi while downshifiting rev matching is mandatory or it harm the engine

[@Schaaf]

It is not mandatory

[@anonymus-fs9vp]

Which tyres would you put on it? I am struggling to find right combo for both off and on road..

[@Schaaf]

Mitas XT if they have it in those dimensions

[@Fuelledbymuffins]

May i ask where did u place ur mic? I have the same bike and my sound is horrible. I placed my dji mic 2 in a pouch, it sounded echoey. I placed it in my right pocket. It sounded echoey. Running out of places to put lol. Love ur vids! Subscribed and liked! ❤❤

[@Schaaf]

check the description!

[@RandomPunter-xo9tx]

It's a good all round bike for an attractive price (in UK £5700 so about 6700euro - I don't know the price in other markets). Despite it not being very light, it is reassuring off-road for a low level amateur like me. The weight is carried quite low. Tyres are definitely a weak spot. They're not terrible though. I am trying to get some value out of mine on the road while I wait for upgraded bash plate and rally seat before doing more off-road miles.

[@Schaaf]

Thanks for sharing!

[@rideandrhythms]

You should try 450 CL-C.

[@Schaaf]

OK

[@nemanjastojkovic4787]

Hi there Schaaf, will you test cfmoto 450nk? Thanks man

[@Schaaf]

Yes

[@robauti1]

Pricewise there in latin america, and thinking about dirt riding, the himalayan seems the better option, but damn that sound

[@Schaaf]

I also prefer the Himalayan but the CF is still very good

[@macp988]

Why? Most ppl find cf moto more exciting to ride​@@Schaaf

[@Pebbzor]

I tried it this summer, but unfortunately my knees hit the side panels in an annoying way, so it wasn't for me. Otherwise it seemed like a good bike. Ended up with a much more expensive Tiger 900 Rally instead.

[@Schaaf]

that's a great pick too ;)

[@jage6126]

@Schaaf How tall are you?

[@Schaaf]

184cm

[@justinpozzi1129]

Hi Buddy! Is that standard gearing you're running? Thank you!

[@Schaaf]

Yes

[@khalifa_hns4500]

Please can you just explain me how did u downshift

[@Schaaf]

look up rev-matching tutorials

[@Michael-s1b]

This is fantastic, pure moto porn. Wringing out a low powered bike with an amazing soundtrack is bliss for this old gearhead.

[@Schaaf]

Thanks, Michael

[@Ni3K]

Ist die schon E5+?

[@Schaaf]

Keine Ahnung

[@Ni3K]

@@Schaaf Nicht so schwer, hat sie zwei Lambdasonden?!

[@bassidobassido]

hy i just want ask about troy vietnam coz he long time not upload videos i just hope he is ok

[@Schaaf]

I'm sure he is

[@rutukedarbhagwat1746]

When are you gonna release the triumph 400 videos bro

[@Schaaf]

whenever I find the time to edit it

[@szeriman13]

Hi, you probably know already, but CFmoto and the Orange are together. 😊

[@churchofbrap876]

How so? From what I know, only the Duke and Adventure 790's are made in China. All other orange models are from Austria.

[@szeriman13]

@@churchofbrap876since 2018 they are in joint venture. google it.

[@szeriman13]

@@churchofbrap876they are in joint venture since 2018.

[@someguy9520]

Nothing is made in Austria except the 1290/1390 platform 390 are Indian, 790/890 chinese The smaller ones are prbly chinese or indian as well

[@churchofbrap876]

@@someguy9520 where do u get your info? KTM makes a whole lineup of motocross and Enduro bikes, all made in Austria. My 690, Austria.

[@justsickk]

I would love to buy this bike just to ride it like supermoto

[@Schaaf]

go ahead!

[@justsickk]

@Schaaf i think i will in the future 💜

[@aGentleUser]

Habe das Bike auch schon aufm Schirm,. aber irgendwie etwas leichter, ein singel würde mir für diesen Zweck mehr zusagen. Neuauflage von sowas wie Freewind oder Dominator. Aber so leichte Singels 450-650ccm gibt es grad kaum bei den Japanern irgendwie, und die orangenen mit deren schwedischen Ablegern sind irgendwie weniger meines, da müsste schon eine Norden 401 kommen :D Aber die Chinesen schmeißen momentan schneller attraktivere Bikes auf den Markt...

[@Schaaf]

Warte die EICMA ab ;)

[@aGentleUser]

@@Schaaf uiuiui!!! heute ist eine nachricht von der Suzuki DR -Z4S aufgetaucht. Die Daten lesen sich wie die perfekte wandermaschine, nur die sitzhöhe ist für so nen kurzen wie mich etwas beängstigend

[@j.bin_genex1927]

This bkke made in my town. Cf moto new engine is pretty good after they co operate with KTM. this 450 engine is sounds nice. Cf moto quality improved fast. I think its quality can achieve some Europe bikes level. but should not as durable like Japanese bikes.

[@Schaaf]

Thanks for the comment!!

[@101BadBreath]

I have owned a 300SR before for London commute and would be happy to have another CFMOTO. Love the look of this thing. For the price swapping out for better tyres early after run in would still be worth it IMO. I am keen to add this to my garage as a bit of easy to jump onto local run around and for a bit of off road fun and not expect too much for the price.

[@Schaaf]

Thanks!

[@David-m7f3g]

Where you placed the Mic?

[@Schaaf]

Description

[@sergiososa5855]

Test drive chainasssss!!!!!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂

[@Schaaf]

thanks!!

[@michalczajkowski8798]

stock tyres ?

[@Schaaf]

Try reading

[@lovethytuber4770]

At least it sounds good...:) But to be fair, CFMOTO in general does a good job with engine choice and design for the most part and I don't necessarily see them as the "cheap KTM" in the future.

[@Schaaf]

Fully agreed

[@ontwowheelsjoe]

What machine is that at 5:10

[@Schaaf]

no idea

[@tanogg794]

Some sort of Can-Am, pretend you didn't see that cursed thing 😂

[@francisrivest9010]

Its a cam am spyder, its from quebec canada.

[@ontwowheelsjoe]

@@tanogg794 😂

[@LagzCreator]

This bike its pretty good entry level tho

[@Schaaf]

it's more than just entry level

[@LagzCreator]

@Schaaf I would love to say yes, but unfortunately I've never driven one in person 🥲

[@David-m7f3g]

Lol. Entry Level. This Bike is so much fun! ❤🎉

[@parkjihoonVIDI]

Is it a normal exhaust sound?

[@Schaaf]

Yes

[@TheArturpoznan]

450 mt is very loud

[@Kenneth_McGrew]

I've nothing against the Chinese bikes, its a really good looking bike, much better than its main brand competitors, my only issue with the cf moto is the service intervals, way too short for doing long rides imo.

[@Schaaf]

Thanks

[@SiempreConTrasto]

Schaaf, try Kove 800X and say us is it a motomistake or a vicious chinese horse, please.

[@Schaaf]

Unfortunately can't choose the bikes I get to ride

[@SiempreConTrasto]

@@Schaaf feel invited to Poland then.😎

[@santiagojuarez7209]

Royal enfield himalyan 450 plis

[@Schaaf]

can't choose the bikes I get to ride

[@gabormartin2052]

Könnyebb és olcsóbb, mint az én T7 motorom. Ha ötven lóerő fölé erősödne, akkor komolyan elgondolkodnék a cserén is.

[@recepalkan3978]

T7 is the best camonn

[@Schaaf]

Cool!

[@vinjofin1972]

On a other channel someone did the abuse for you for over 10000 km. The bike was still in one piece and performed very well off road. It did not break down. The abuse was extensive. Just oil change and keep on going. Remember this is a 8000 euro bike not a 25000 euro BMW GS wich "reliabillity" is suspicious. Overall it is a decent bike for the money. I want to see a comparisson between the CFmoto and the new Royal Enfield Himalayan 450.

[@nickzourb190]

8000€ ? More like 6000€ !

[@vinjofin1972]

@nickzourb190 In our country 7799

[@Schaaf]

I agree. I unfortunately couldn't film the Himalayan. But I rode it a lot this year. I think it's even better

[@vinjofin1972]

@Schaaf The Himalayan is better?

[@Eden-NoEye]

Nope, you can't buy it, the 2024 model is sold out everywhere. They'll produce a 2025 model but with stricter noise restrictions that come with Euro 5+ 😢

[@Schaaf]

Shame

[@kurvaonwheels]

My biggest issue with purchasing a Chinese made motorcycles is depreciation.

[@Schaaf]

Could be an issue, yes

[@valebliz]

CF moto more reliable than KTM? Couldn’t agree more lmao

[@Schaaf]

;)

[@anithamapraveen4139]

Will CFMOTO launch this bike in INDIA???

[@Schaaf]

No idea

[@RohanSanjith]

Chinese products have excellent quality nowadays, the Chinese citizens also prefer better quality products.

[@Schaaf]

I haven't tried enough but their motorcycles for sure are decent products

[@alakewood7853]

😀👍

[@Schaaf]

thanks mate!

[@mrmoon1482]

Have to disagree, I believe the royal Enfield interceptor 650 is the best sounding A2 bike,

[@Benjamingt4]

Not wanting a Chinese bike is not so much a concern for quality, but more of a human rights/protecting our own economy concern.

[@kopasznyaku]

It is quality as long as some 30 years old chinese bikes showing up in operable conditions. Like an old Transalp or Goldwing. With replacement parts still available, of course 😊 Good luck, CFwhatever. A good ten years ago the South Korean industry did a similar adventure into motorcycle manufacturing. Now Hyosung is hardly remembered ….

[@delusion2987]

@@kopasznyaku if chinese brands manage the same market share as honda and other big brands had in the past years, i have no doubt parts and everything will be fine. demand is what matters. if the bikes sell a lot, there will always be solutions and parts and used bikes that are in good condition. the most recent bikes out of china are going on this path. in my country and most south european countries, they are either best sellers or close to it.

[@Schaaf]

Thanks

[@the.communist]

Your own economy? Which western country you are from? HD/triumphs n KTM all manufacture in asia.

[@kopasznyaku]

@@the.communist The exact reason those brands' models are nowhere close in quality, reliability and longevity to the golden era of Japanese motorcycle manufacturing. You can outsource manufacturing lines, but outsourcing the approach to work, the pride taken in precision and quality, is another business. You're right, our industry is shitty too in eastern EU. But I never compared that to China's industry. You don't compare a mosquito to a mammoth. I compared Chinese to Japanese motorbike products. Japan simply has forty years of advantage in bottom-to-top quality assurance, quality management. For me there is no question at the moment. And it is not only quality. It is quality / price. But .... give a try to convince me. Chinese bikes have a hard path of evolution ahead ...

[@rahuldinesh6337]

Pirelli is owned by chinese btw :)

[@Schaaf]

makes copying easier!

[@recepalkan3978]

Let's wait and see. At least after 20 thousand kilometers, I think you should not be fooled by its sound and make-up. don't throw your money away

[@Schaaf]

Yea, let's wait and see

[@Robert-rn9jl]

Honda crf300 rally i think it's far better bike.

[@Schaaf]

Too slow for my taste

[@adrianbeacon6421]

Could you add 2 sentences explaining why you think so, since you decided to write it that way?

[@Robert-rn9jl]

@@adrianbeacon6421 The first thing is that you can ride that bike for the rest of your life. The very name HONDA tells you that wherever you go, don't worry.