How Voltron: Legendary Defender Crashed and Burned (ft. Jalisa Weschen)

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[@jcb986h2]

“Coran has never dipped in quality” So true

[@AkuTenshiiZero]

So basically...Coran is this show's Varrik.

[@redhawkmillenium]

The Voltron Show was a dip in Coran quality

[@cabrondemente1]

When King Alfor tells him to leave with Allura in the final moments of Altea and all Coran replies is "It will be my honor" with tears in his eyes, that shit gave me the chills.

[@yupbrookeishere5681]

"Coran Coran the gorgeous man!"

[@katiecat6438]

I've only watched the first 2 seasons and he was my favorite character~

[@Moonstar79]

Was no one else annoyed that they suddenly started using these alien terms for hours, minutes, and years but never translated for the audience and just expected us to know how long a decisuskribnak is

[@mixafx]

RIGHT .

[@irllydont_know9879]

i straight up had to search up all of it cuz i was so confused

[@rivasnuria2158]

YES.

[@t1me212]

On!y word i knew was decaphoeb or however its spelled 😭

[@Moonstar79]

I love how that "we've been gone for three decaphobes" thing was all dramatic and serious, and the audience was all just like, "so... three weeks?"

[@zsan157]

The worst part for me was the whole lion switcheroo thing. They had established that they all have a special bond with there lion, and they emphasize how especially strong Shiro’s bond is to the black lion, with him fighting Zarkon for control. Then in the blink of an eye they just erase all that, and the worst part is they don’t even change suits.

[@madarauchihadevilofshinobi8713]

Soo true.

[@starbites1984]

i actually think it was a good idea but just executed poorly. they were going off the plot for the original voltron in the 80s and actually had some good character-building for keith, lance, and allura as they were all learning how to adapt into their new positions. but then they threw it all away once that shiro clone mess started and keith went off to do ??? whatever it was i literally cannot remember. that general era of voltron is just where it all went completely downhill.

[@dawn9271]

ikr. It could’ve of been better like some character development but it just got so confusing with the lions. Like shrio left so keith became the leader, but then Keith left and I don’t even remember what happens afterwards. This plot had so much wasted potential.

[@mara884]

I was left genuinely and extremely confused but the whole "wait shiro's gone, wait shiro's back, wait shiro's a clone, wait he's not a clone, wait he's a side character" To this day I am still confused about shiro's character arc or whatever that was

[@dunelingarcia639]

Same I never understood the whole clone thing

[@jam_toast1]

it was so confusing that i remember him being a robot at some point but i think that is just the clone? The lion switching and Shiro dying undying are the only two things that i still remember disliking

[@theeeveelutionist7245]

Wait Shiro was a clone? If I have to ask that you know something is wrong with the writing

[@johnnygyro2295]

I could be wrong, but Shiro might've been a living plot device/red herring. Hear me out. He gets abducted by the Galra with Pidge's brother and father, escapes to Earth to warn the other heroes they need to find Voltron. The other Paladins respect Shiro for one reason or the other, so he gets elected Black Lion pilot/the leader while having to work through his PTSD and amnesia. The red herring part is that he, apparently, was supposed to die for real at the end of season 2. Thus, forcing Keith, or someone else, to step up as leader while giving Pidge more difficulty/drama in trying to find her missing family. TV Tropes has more info on the subject.

[@lilaniloxi]

Apparently he was supposed to die at one point sooo that might explain *that* whole deal

[@KittyKatKandi]

voltron writers: the lions have this really intense specific emotional bond with their paladins and the lions have waited for hundreds for these specific people to come along and will only open up to their chosen individual!!! And they spend all this time bonding with their paladins to the point that some of them start to basically act on their own to save their paladins!! Also the voltron writers: oh yah they can just switch like nbd lmao bond what bond

[@manolgeorgiev9664]

I think this is better than having each one be "chosen" for a specific lion. But keeping the way they work ambiguous didn't do the show any favour.

[@NeroCM]

You know what would have been even better? If there was no chosen one bullshit and instead they had to obtain the respect of the lions through their acts and choices.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

That was the idea usala.

[@Dr.Meme-Man]

@@NeroCM come to think of it, that was actually the case with the red lion.

[@amberclaw7269]

I know right I was so mad!!!!!!

[@lightoftheshadows9916]

Adam: *Is hyped to hell and back and then killed off in one episode* The Entire Voltron Fandom: _Adam_

[@incognito7739]

That's it. The whole thing was written to be such a dumpster fire simply to make this joke possible

[@thatonepotato276]

I was in a depressive state for two days after that.

[@MiracleClover]

My mind went to the vine and it fits with how stupid that plotline was

[@socknabof6288]

I haven't gotten to Adam yet...

[@CasperVonGhoul]

Wait he was hyped?

[@tabithaalphess2115]

As a former Voltron fan who NEVER ONCE paid attention to the show's marketing outside of release dates for the next season, I was deeply confused by the level of hate it received. Like, the last seasons weren't good, but what could have offended people so much? And then I saw the marketing. I don't think they thought it through

[@ghoulchan7525]

tumblr people took the scaps the staff left. made up their own stuff way beyond what the writers could do. then got mad the show didn't follow their version. and i feel the writers just kinda looked at what the fanbase was doing and partially wrote it into the show. Altean Lance was a popular fan AU. Adam. yeah people took those bits the runners told em about. went nuts while waiting for new episodes. basically they hyped themselves up so much, the show just paled in comparison.

[@lemdem]

@@ghoulchan7525 I wasn't (and have never) been on Tumblr before. I wasn't part of the Voltron fandom, so I had literally no expectations for this show when I watched it, and I still think everything past maybe season five was dogshit. It wasn't just the expectations people had, the show genuinely became really bad.

[@greadams1858]

I was a fairly little kid when the show came out (like elementary) and I'm just now getting back into looking at how it was recieved by the fanbase. So much of the complaints went straight over my head because I wasn't in the fandom at the time. I thought the show was good with a forgetable last season. Honestly my biggest complaint while re-watching is Shiro should have stayed dead.

[@potatohildy]

I’m not in the fandom, and plan on keeping it that way. I enjoyed the series, but bringing back Shiro as a clone was always dumb to me. And the final season wasn’t good, the finale was just dumb

[@iamjohn2573]

Literally me

[@ampersandcastle1091]

Also they never brought up the fact that Lance LITERALLY DIED. ONE OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS DIED and they just completely ignore that?? Lance and Keith could’ve had another bonding moment talking about their near-death experiences. Honestly, every fix-it fic I’ve ever read has been better than the actual show. Lance my boy you deserved better (as did everyone else as well)

[@chewyjuice4656]

Wait WHAT??? When did Lance die??

[@ampersandcastle1091]

@@chewyjuice4656 it’s so long ago now that I don’t remember too many details but it was in one of the later seasons, i think it was S6 E1? There was a mission that Hunk was leading and Lance and Allura were doing something together, aligning panels or something. Anyway there was this bolt of energy heading for Allura in the blue lion, and Lance uses the red lion to push them out of the way, so him and red get hit instead. He is dead until she leaves blue, enters red’s cockpit and uses her quintessence to revive him. It seems like such a good opportunity to talk about his self-sacrificing tendencies and how he should value his own safety more but they just… never bring it up again

[@chewyjuice4656]

@@ampersandcastle1091 ohhhhh i rememberrrrr thanks

[@justsealy]

​​@@ampersandcastle1091 lance basically died in season 1 and well died in season 6. poor lance, having to deal with death 2 times while being a normal human

[@infinityquartz4744]

Bruh it could've been so easy to write Klance ad canon with shut like thissss

[@nomithe_64th76]

How to write a good show: WRITE IT BEFORE THE SHOW STARTS DONT TOSS IT OUT RIGHT AFTER SEASON 2

[@cheyshirecat]

They actually did but they scrapped it, a shame.

[@spidercannibal]

@@cheyshirecat are you kidding me

[@tonydanatop4912]

@@cheyshirecat Unless you're Araki 😚

[@atotalfiasco4213]

@@tonydanatop4912 Then you get something like part 3 that has shitload of wasted character potential and killing off characters only to revive them and kill them off again without developing them or doing much of anything else with them when they came back (*COUGHCOUGHavdolCOUGHCOUGH*) I like part 3, heck Polnareff is one of my favorite Jojo characters, but that aspect will forever make it one of my least favorite parts.

[@Sierlea]

Like, you don't *have* to have something planned in advance, but if you don't? Be prepared to sit down and do some *serious* work to make things satisfying, especially at the finale.

[@themothcourt]

HOLD ON A MINUTE! >8 Seasons >2 year run I am beginning to see where the problems began to manifest.

[@andrewdoudna8894]

Jesus Christ, really? I guess google could confirm this easily, but that just seems so ridiculous. Aren't seasons usually done as a yearly thing? In fact, why not just have several big seasons?

[@2299firefox]

You can see the problems from this plain as day in the season list. The amount of episodes per season starts to drop as you go farther in, then increases a bit for the final two.

[@ShinyPrimarina]

I felt old at first cause 8 seasons but then I read this and I was just upset

[@pinkcuddlycactus]

And Steven universe goes through all these hiatuses

[@jamesmortimer4016]

No U

[@bluebower8237]

"The writers were practicing audience manipulation". That's it, that's the show. ESPECIALLY Lotor's character arc. Let's not forget how the writers literally admitted that Lotor was written to be a red herring. A twist villain just for the sake of tricking the audience. Never mind the fact that he was on his way toward a compelling character redemption or at LEAST atonement like Kuvira, never mind that his character is representation for people of mixed races and people with abusive families.

[@Reapermaskhybrid]

Yeah, that's what made me hate Chloe's betrayal in season 3 of Miraculous, we had at least two or three episodes of her fighting with the heroes and one where she messed up and got Akumatized as Queen Bee, and what did the creator do? Eff it all up and opted to make her go back to square one and backstab everybody because Hawk Moth stoked her ego! What the actual fuck?! It could've been great to see her at least make amends for her shitty attitude before getting the Bee Miraculous (even if it was an accident during the fight against Style Queen), but nope Thomas Astruc is allergic to trying and opted to give the viewers the middle finger! That pisses me off, we didn't see a good redemption arc for Chloe's stupid ass because the creator was a lazy-ass coward!

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

@@ReapermaskhybridI am okay with twist villians if nesseccary like omniman or some other sort , I dislike too much unnesscary plotwist or blandness of how to create dramatic/emotional impact

[@Reapermaskhybrid]

@@ChimeraLotietheBunny Yeah, again, they had the ingredients to make Chloe tolerable at least but the creator said "Screw that, let's make her another dime a dozen scumbag, LOL!" The fact that the episode where he dad was Akumatized because of her showed she was at least aware she causes some of the problems in her broken home but they never let her admit she needs help, I know that's kinda true but I'm kinda sick of people having EVERY opportunity to save themselves at the earliest moment but NEVER takes it!

[@Dooodle2949]

Yeah, I didn’t see the tweets about Adam, so when it was revealed he died, I was like, “oh so Shiro is sad one of his friends died.” I thought he was literally just a friend!

[@lemonbread8019]

I thought they were simply coworkers until my friend pointed out their relationship. The only time they talked it looked in they were in a random cafeteria lmao.

[@peytonmac1131]

Ah, yes. The close companions, good friends, room mates. Shame those two bachelors never met good women and settled down, simply living together as long-time coworkers. - 1920's news reporters.

[@pessoaqualquer7737]

The same thing literally happened to me, I didn't even know who Adam was, and I thought this guy was just a friend. BUT HE WAS SHIRO'S FIANCE.

[@kingbash6466]

Voltron: I have the worst season eight finale of all time. Game of Thrones: Hold my beer.

[@tidge5127]

how i met your mother: hold my dairy

[@kylecampbell565]

TJ Simmons that finale was season 9

[@mercuryy94]

King Bash dexter

[@AidenLiquid]

Kyle Campbell I think that 8 seasons is a perfect number to end a series btw game of thrones ended on season 8 not 9 seasons

[@deamongimli]

@@AidenLiquid They were replying to TJ, not the OP.

[@oranplan1630]

I'm still mad that all Hunk was really good for was "Fat Joke Character"

[@KariIzumi1]

We really need to be a lot more pissed about this as a collective whole, tbh

[@manolgeorgiev9664]

90% Of his character was comedic relief and he had one character developement episode in season 1, otherwise he had no character arc even though he was part of the main 5. I still respect that the show hadn't *entirely* forgotten that he was an engineer. Episode 1 Season 6 was a refreshing Hunk - centrick episode and I wish the show had more of those. Sadly his role in the team was often overshadowed by Pidge, who is a lot more proactive character and is supposed to be the computer person, but sometimes fills in Hunk's engineer role as well, while Hunk is pushed asside as just a comedic relief. The show just couldn't decide if Pidge was the overall technical genious, or if Hunk was actually a character that egsists...

[@hayaash8772]

Exactly

[@spicycrocss]

He was literally my favourite-

[@danidkg4071]

i'm glad he got more love in season 7 (or was it season 6? i don't remember), but still..... the fatshaming.... the jokes.... he's more than that

[@voidopall548]

You were NOT the only one who was bugged by the color coordination pretty much *D I S T I N T I G R A T I N G* I cry every time I have to look at Lance in the red Lion with his bright blue armor TvT

[@RhamanaChan]

The DnD episode was my absolute favorite. I have no problem admitting after the first 3 or 4 times I skipped forward 20 or so seconds on Voltron transforms. Coran Coran the gorgeous man was my absolute favorite character and as the seasons wore on I was just happy any time he was on screen.

[@lazydroidproductions1087]

We need more Corans. Would they be considered “himbo” types, like, a subspecies of himbo?

[@dax_enfinity]

The only episodes that are worthy to watch besides s1 and s2 are the filler episodes and the Pidge and Matt reunion episode

[@gabiz1331]

The DnD episode was on of the few episodes I managed to like after s2

[@Dsturb85]

Let's not forget how great Space mall was

[@Moonstar79]

*Audience: sees Shiro's S7 hair* *Audience:* Oh, it turned white from the stress of being a paladin after such a traumatic experience and he stepped down to a role healthier for him and also Keith? *Screenwriters:* Nah, all the color was drained when he un-died.

[@jocelyn9021]

That's literally what I thought though, before I knew.

[@tarataylor3320]

Leo if that’s how un-dying works then lance should’ve got a taste of shiro hair too,, Voltron writers pick a flaw

[@Aurora-313]

See, I took it to mean he wasn't fully human anymore. And there was some magic shit he could do. Like mentally piloting the Lion while he's doing something else, or channelling its telepporting power.

[@imsotiredofthiscrap2341]

@@Aurora-313 that was probably what they were going for but this show is just so rushed that they didn't have time to even really talk about it.

[@Aurora-313]

@@imsotiredofthiscrap2341 and the EPs seemingly hated Shiro's guts.... can't imagine why, he was only conceptually the most interesting character in the show... I prefer him as lead to magical anime boi Keith... yeah, Shiro had anime stuff going on with him too, but that all had justification. An evil space witch was experimenting on him for a year. Keith just went full Gary Stu

[@savannahpfierman8087]

*The fact that they didn’t change colors when they changed lions made me FURIOUSSS*

[@tired_tyro]

Savannah Pfierman I KNOWWWWWW AND WHY GUVE ALLURA A PINK ONE??? There’s no PINK LION

[@thehoodlen]

Laurelai Greces because it’s referencing the original series

[@CMTechnica]

Annoying, but faithful to the 84 version. Thankfully, because it’s Netflix

[@sibs544]

I'm not the only one 😂

[@dr.alexei7368]

Savannah Pfierman ahhh yesssss

[@Vladit0r]

Also can we talk about how lance got a weapon upgrade and unlocked multiple weapons, and did nothing with it. I wish it did more with that, sooner, and kept it

[@Dsturb85]

You mean his Altelean broadsword that we saw one time only and never saw ever again? Yeah that was a real piss off

[@infinityquartz4744]

Bruh why did they underdevelop him so much.

[@hangryhufflepuff9530]

Despise how they just made Lance altean (??) like what that's a whole different race

[@girlisprettymuch]

no, IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT SPECIES like how???

[@Khyon521]

Who the hell thought it would be cool to make Lance a Farmer

[@otaku-chan4888]

Lance can be a farmer or even a janitor for all I care AS LONG AS HE'S HAPPY. He's not. All because of the fucking stupid writers who hate him for no fault of his...

[@dasubersnoosvssociety6732]

The writers😑

[@whumpem]

it's kind of a cuban stereotype. i'm not sure why they thought that was a good idea but yeehaw lmao

[@fearglitchdragon7237]

Lance got the short end of the stick, because everyone else's ending were good but Lance's ending is just sad kinda, because he got to have a relationship with Allura only for her to die to save all realities, he had quit being a pilot to live out the rest of his life on a farm, and even though Lance is not my favorite character, I feel sorry for him

[@user-kg6pr1iv4i]

@@fearglitchdragon7237 Yeah wasn't being a pilot like his life long dream?

[@airakorainies]

Two good things about Voltron’s last seasons: 1. Coran 2. Pidge’s mom being a much better character than 90% of the cast.

[@ThaliaSky]

Yes

[@mikabrown4123]

3) Hunk got more screen time 4) The animation was somehow even better than usual But that's about it.

[@localinternetclown]

YES THANK YOU FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT SHE WAS AWESOME

[@theresarayner5726]

Baby Coran in season 2 though

[@davidclout6286]

High quality milf

[@harlowdupont5962]

I genuinely fell in love with this show when I first was introduced to it. I found it at a really hard time in my life and it was the perfect escape. I loved all the characters and how they interacted and I loved the story and animation. I never really participated in the fandom because I knew how toxic it was, but I still loved the show. The ending was the most disappointing thing I have seen to date. I hate what they did to Allura and even more what they did to Lance. I hate how they hyped up Adam and then gave us nothing, and they just disregarded Shiro's PTSD. It was just a mess. But I still adore the show! Even through all the shit.

[@sleepyjester]

same! i honestly don’t think i would have enjoyed voltron as much had i not discovered it at such a low point in my life. as terrible as the writing may be, the characters alone are so fun to watch that it’s such an easy show to get sucked into. sorry if i derailed this lmao i just wanted to share my experience

[@natsukee_6871]

I actually really enjoyed the show I just finished it today and I wouldn’t have even realize this things you guys are saying, you guys are completely right with every single word

[@justjoannak]

Ugh, I absolutely agree! Omg, yes to Shiro's PTSD bc it was so well done in the early seasons and when he came back in S7, it was never talked about

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

"It's kind of a joke." Not really. A joke has a punchline. This just kinda . . . keeps going.

[@SavannahBurris]

I never did understand why the show redeemed Lotor... and then immediately dumped him in the garbage.

[@borger525]

he had so much character potential ahhh

[@threadyprawn8944]

It was like teasing a child with some candy. We thought we were gonna get and keep good Lotor until the writers yeeted it saying "Sike, it's bad."

[@CenereRoses]

It’s actually a common thing in a lot of shows and franchises. Kizami from Corpse Party (a horror game) gets similarly thrown down a garbage chute, as the first game portrays him as insane but somewhat redeemable/pitiable (his family was physically and verbally abusive in response to his sociopathic behaviors-not the correct course of action whatsoever to handle a mentally ill child), then the following game shows in a bad end that he’s capable of guilt and remorse, but immediately goes “ha sike” and kills him. The games that follow turn him into a literal monster because they stopped entertaining the idea that he’d ever be anything more than a crazy murderer and pretty much ignore his redeeming qualities/backstory as if it ever existed. There seems to be this trend of developing evil characters to make them sympathetic only to say “ha you still have to hate them” even when the development made them impossible to hate enough to actually want dead. (Lotor from Voltron, Loki from the MCU, and Theodora from Oz the Great & Powerful all being prime examples) It basically just jerks around the audience with no actual payout. There’s no reason for it except that it’s a twist.

[@2495781]

Yeah. It feels stupid that they hype up his pride and desire to be more Altean then suddenly they go Lol he has actually been using the remainder of the Alteans as batteries. Hell we even see in his Mother's flash backs the horror he showed when Zarcon destroyed a coloney Lotor built because it wasn't the Galra way. I was rooting for the guy as he kinda reminded me of Zuko. A Prince wanting to fix his empire. I didn't Ship him with Allura but that's just me. I feel it was wasted to just do that like alot of the plot twists in GOT's last season.

[@ericasutton3147]

Savannah Burris bad writing. Nuff said.

[@cheriese9767]

Half the fandom: *unholy screaming* The other half: t h i s i s f i n e f a n f i c s e x i s t s :-)

[@doot1745]

just ignore most stuff from after season 2 and read fanfiction B)

[@obuIisk]

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[@plaxum5703]

I took everything until part of season 8, then I made some adjustments and added some events and everything was fine :D Allura dates Lance, Lance realizes that he doesn't love her and that she doesn't love him, he finds his love, and things are going on with other characters without changing much :D I needed to brag a little, sorry. But the idea is interesting, so the program remains good.

[@cristinaestrella]

temmie johnson now this I can get by :)) it’s still a pity at how such good characters and voice actors were wasted 😔 when’s the next reboot coming out?

[@plaxum5703]

@@cristinaestrella well, i did it with other characters, everyone has a good life. But I agree, they wasted a bit of the voice actors, but I still think it's a cool show. I didn't understand much of the question, could I explain it? Yes, I'm pretty dumb most of the time I'm sorry

[@NotUlpoadingAnything]

If I remember correctly, one of the reasons for Voltron being so bad in later seasons was that they decided to churn out shorter seasons more frequently rather taking time to flesh out longer seasons that had more time and effort put into them.

[@justjoannak]

I absolutely agree with this! I would rather had 6 13 episode seasons instead of 8 seasons but half are 6-7 episodes

[@darkmatter9651]

I feel like the point where the show fucked up was when they killed lotor. He added a lot of salt and pepper to the show and the little we got of him as part of the coalition was super fun, plus his character arc and backstory were pretty fleshed out and his whole situation with abuse was pretty well written and all. His death also let the show overextend itself and introduce more meaningless characters that noone cared about and the story going into the shittiest direction ever

[@eva-sk5vb]

Finally someone focused on what was actually wrong with this show besides their ships not being canon

[@caesarin0]

well, except for that one segment where it was literally about someone's ships not being canon

[@caesarin0]

@devsy your favorite ship not being canon isn't a valid reason for saying a show is bad. Also I literally said the words "except for that one segment", not a single person even so much as implied it was more than that.

[@chaosdirge4906]

@devsy same for me really... I Don't really get the Reason for people being upset with the prince and alura story ark and how they didn't get together.... the original Voltron kind of had the same story ark in this regard with Zarkon wanting to force her to marry him and him also not acting like a bad guy in all the episodes... I just felt like it was a callback to that and fairly obvious that ship was never going to happen. I actually enjoyed all of the episodes up until season 8. That ending is just stupid.

[@fabulosa2904]

@@caesarin0 idk the point wasnt tht it wasnt canon, it was tht it was queerbaited and implied to become canon for the views

[@caesarin0]

@@fabulosa2904 No. It wasn't. They made t-shirts of it, if you think that translates over into it was 'implied to become canon you're just simply incorrect. That implies they wanted to make money and sell merchandise, because merchandise has completely no relation to the canon.

[@isagilabert4305]

The way that the writers added the idea of Shiro being gay last-minute has always kind of reminded me of J. K. Rowling’s announcement post-series that Dumbledore was gay. Don’t get me wrong- I love Harry Potter, but both were cheap ways to generate interest in a series with declining popularity. Harry Potter was over, which is always a bad sign for popularity, and in Voltron, it was to hide bad writing.

[@sakanashoji]

shiro being announced that he was gay happened way back i season 1 or 2, he already had a boyfriend back on eart, he just got married when they were done with voltron

[@isagilabert4305]

everything lps I was referring to how s6 got a lot of hype before it came out bc of shiro’s boyfriend but then we got a 10-second cameo and a gravestone instead- almost no representation.

[@runelt99]

@@isagilabert4305 In JK's defense, back when she revealed it about dumbledore was a time when saying your character was gay was not cool.

[@CruelestChris]

@@runelt99 No, not really, 2007 wasn't exactly the Dark Ages, there were openly gay characters in prime-time TV shows.

[@Sierlea]

@@runelt99 There were some back then- and regardless, the character's appeared in more stories since then and still no in-story showing it.

[@NatWifi]

Lance was my favorite character, I wish he had gotten more character development. I hated the fact that him and Allura were so rushed and they could of worked if they had put time in their relationship. And after she died, Lance became a farm boy and told her story, like seriously, he couldn't of been anything else? It really sucks because he could of had so much potential.

[@rosaswan92]

I liked the arc of Voltron and Lotor working together. It made me think of the fourth season of Avatar where they work with Fire Lord Zuko to untie the Fire Nation that got cut by Nicklelodian. What I didn't like was Lotor suddenly turning insane. Like, here is the best character with real motivations and struggles, but nope, he's just insane now.

[@toadfroyo]

motions to Voltron: Legendary Defender “And this, kids, is what we call *queerbating*”

[@toadfroyo]

@@satireknight sometimes, yes, but Voltron really did queerbait so

[@daisy9858]

satireknight that is definitely the case sometimes, but for this specific show it definitely queerbaited. Before the last season Shiro being gay was revealed, the show runners hyped this aspect up, showed that he had a fiancé, and (basically) promised we would see that story line unfold. In the end they killed off his fiancé immediately, barely talked about it or had Shiro think about it *at all* and randomly at the end make him marry some random crew member without showing them together AT ALL. It was obviously a ploy to get their LGBT+ audience to keep viewing (I personally almost didn’t watch the last season but hoping to see Shiro’s sexuality being explored was super intriguing to me as I’m a lesbian and barely see any lgbt rep). Instead of actually developing this storyline they hyped up, they smacked a sticker over a couple of horribly rushed scenes and said THIS IS REPRESENTATION IF YOU DONT LIKE IT FUCK OFF

[@spencerthomas7304]

@@daisy9858 well then u know what to do haha

[@Monody512]

Wait, what? How? The show had a grand total of two same-sex couples, and they were just there. No play-up. No tropes. They were treated just like any relationship. Isn't this a good thing?

[@toadfroyo]

@@Monody512 im not sure if you watched the video, because it shows that the relationship between Shiro and his boyfriend was very much hyped up by the show itself, just to have the boyfriend shown in one scene and promptly killed. Yes, Shiro marries a man at the end of the show, but people were expecting more. If there is more lgbt representation in Voltron, please tell me, I never watched the series myself.

[@nicholas.lopezzz]

the fact that some fan fictions are written better than the last seasons, is like sad-

[@lindan7238]

Care to recommend a few 👀

[@succubus5291]

Linda Nguyen a good fix-it fanfic i recommend is Outliers by MonsieurDandylion on wattpad

[@nighthawk4744]

Like how fanart of korrasami can conjure more emotion than the actual show’s depiction of it. Like they just yelled “gay rights” before closing the curtain on it. Which is not ok.

[@lonebattledroid4474]

Well for us Korra haters we have Legend of Genji to look forward to.

[@PocketDragonStudio]

@@lindan7238 Magnetic in Our Purple is good (Ao3)

[@kappapride6332]

"And any time they're in a tight pinch they just pull some new spirit focusing technique out of nowhere to save the day" I mean that's pretty consistent with the 80s version lol

[@cryptiddmashups0011]

I absolutely loved voltron. I spend months (and a ton of money) making a set of armor for my Pidge cosplay at comicon. I even put lights in it so it would glow. When the group started to split up, I was bummed because I loved their genuine friendship and bonds. I started to lose interest after Zarkon died. It kind of seemed like they didn’t know where to go with the show and they were making it up as they went. When the Adam situation happened the show was completely dead to me.

[@sarahbishop7007]

Ok this bothered me about the whole lions thing, during the episodes they constantly talked about bonding with the lion and having this strong connection with their individual lion. BUT THE MOMENT SHIRO IS GONE ITS LIKE THE LIONS COULD BE TRADED AROUND LIKE POKÉMON CARDS...I’m sorry that bothered me Holy shit 3.3k comments PFFTT But seriously why establish that you and your lion have a special connection and then have them all switched afterwards. Also...I have sparked debates

[@mozaxit2592]

I remember those episodes, and they were really good. But since the whole Lion switch-a-roo thing, I kinda got pretty pissed off.

[@carlagordon31]

I know the writers had a good opportunity and wasted it

[@franziska9260]

Could've been a chance to get some angst out of it, wondering what's more important, the paladin-lion bond or the functionality of Voltron, but no I guess the lions don't give a damn

[@sarahbishop7007]

Franchesca Mia exactly! There could’ve been some interesting conflict from it but not they just decided “oh well we’ll just switch everyone around so they can still use voltron because Pfftt conflict? What’s that?”

[@Jo-gb8us]

the show went downhill with the lion swap and idc how hot this take is, I will DIE on this hill

[@ryanklatt9925]

It hurts to see perfectly good animation, voice acting, and intellectual property go to waste.

[@haru5257]

Voltron (animation-wise) is my dream show! I love the almost anime style, and all the expressions look so good. But I mean literally everyone I've asked said: "don't watch the last few seasons"... sooooo?

[@pugmommy9865]

@@haru5257 Ya unfortunately good animation doesn't mean a good story. If you haven't already, I'd recommend watching Avatar the Last Airbender, it has a similar half anime, half western drawing style and very good story.

[@dragonking2248]

You can say that again.

[@putriscool]

@@haru5257 Avatar has very similar animation and is a great show all the way through, if you're looking for a show that does everything voltron does without falling flat

[@Unremarkable6969]

It would be like if the X-men franchise made a terrible movie around the mutant Apocalypse... Oh wait.

[@lanamello7445]

I think the problem with Lotor was that they tried too hard to make him into a Zuko - and that brilliance can never be replicated, they should have tried to make their own show (also, no show that gets bullied into making story decisions by its fans deserves any recognition)

[@BlueSpaceDust]

I got into the show a few months before the 8th season was out and I was really sad at how the fandom fell apart afterwards. A show's ending is so important and can make a show memorable, or can destroy the experience. Voltron had so much potential and I'm hoping that one day maybe someone or a company can rewrite it and do it justice

[@lycheestew]

I'm surprised you have a lot to say about Voltron when the show only lasted for 2 seasons 😮😮

[@Benzinilinguine]

Why does he keep saying 8 seasons? Is there a joke I'm not getting?

[@thejedisonic67]

Its like those people who say The Boondocks lasted for 4 seasons. There's clearly only 3 seasons

[@MystiqMiu]

That part sniped me and I still haven't recovered, hoo boi

[@dw9524]

Ikr. I thought it ended in a satisfying cliff hanger. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@GabyGeorge1996]

D W I'm still wondering what happened to Shiro at the end of Season 2, and what Lotor Would've been like. Shame we never got to see it

[@bhume7535]

Romelle is the most wasted opportunity of a character. Every time she was there I was like "oooh, is this the Romelle episode?" and then she'd just kinda be there while everyone had a show going on...

[@sho.thatsit]

She had such a great character design, too! She was so cute and I loved her for that! She definitely deserved better. Such a good character gone to waste.

[@alilordoftheskies5079]

I definitely think they could've made her relationship with Keith and Krolia better. Like a family. Romelle could've had the baby brother she deserved with Keith, but alas, the writers couldn't even do that right.

[@iwashere6599]

...Who? I'm serious, who?

[@sho.thatsit]

@@iwashere6599 Romelle, the blonde Altean girl?

[@taelongx]

Sho Ships KiriBaku was kinda weird to see Lance not flirt with Romelle when she was first introduced lol

[@thearomanticshipper4468]

It's crazy that She Ra Princesses of Power is basically a show that fixed all of the problems that Voltron had. Variety in the opening and transformation sequences: Check Actual LGBTQ representation: Check Consistently complex villains and a well built up and powerful final threat: Check Satisfying ship payoffs: Check A consistent and compelling narrative: Check Good character focus with good development: Check

[@majormccoy3364]

I totally agree with you.

[@blahthebiste7924]

I still need to rewatch that, need to decide once and for all if I like it better than ATLA

[@genericname2747]

but She-ra doesn't have giant robot lions :(

[@blahthebiste7924]

@@genericname2747 Yeah but it has Entrapta which is even bettrr

[@needle1025]

Thundercats 2011 are good too

[@MF99K]

Season 7 was slowly loosing me and then Pidge called the Milky Way Galaxy a Solar system and I had to walk away from my computer for like 30 minutes

[@zaksharaz5105]

They should've taken time and not rushed the whole tv show in 2 years time

[@itsaubrey6499]

Zak Sharaz Almost like pokemon swsh

[@jesusinreallife922]

That and the writers got too involved with fans and let them effect the story instead of the writers have complete jurisdiction over their own story

[@mirtki8749]

Gosh this makes me so sad cuz the show had so much potential but then they just decided to rush everything

[@littleperson8315]

i gladly would have waited at least 5 years for them to make all 8 seasons WELL

[@KariIzumi1]

@@jesusinreallife922 given the time frame of how rushed production was, I don't know how much fans really effected the final product, apart from the epilogue and the noteable addition of Ezor for two lines as a result of the Adam backlash. I do agree that, in hindsight, the amount of fan interaction seemed a bit much and life got easier for everyone on staff the minute they pulled away from Tumblr and Twitter.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

No mention of how the writers literally THREW OUT THE SHOW'S BIBLE after season 2? They actually had a very different plan for the series post season 2 and they scrapped it for...this. They literally sabotaged their own show no wonder it sucked.

[@kylecampbell565]

Source?

[@jcallen21]

Yeah shiro was supposed to be killed off ,but his merchandise was selling too well . So they had to rewrite everything.

[@infinityzombi6287]

@@jcallen21 Fuck, that sucks.

[@exchangediary968]

not their fault trough, producers told them to change it so Shiro would still be alive and important

[@ArtOfLiz]

@@jcallen21 Literally I'm really happy Shiro stayed alive cause he's such a fun and honorable character, but WHY DIDN'T THEY STICK TO THEIR LITERAL SCRIPT???

[@shinykat13]

Voltron was one of the worst heartbreaks of my life. It will still always have a special place in my heart for the amount of joy it gave me at the time. I still rewatch it from time to time and (with the exception of certain moments) the pain of it’s betrayal eases, and I can enjoy the show for what it is.

[@theonebeing981]

If fucking dreamworks had let Shiro die, it wouldn't had ripped ass as hard as it did, that alone changed the narrative so massively, the writing team had such a bad time having to reintegrate Shiro back into a story, that otherwise, would've already outlived him. This was another iteration of executives kicking a project's balls until it's plot is sterile.

[@madsniperD]

So many refuse to admit this. Dragging the mentor character back into a MC role after they're supposed to be gone is narrative poison.

[@srrentonin9064]

My friend and I watched the last season together the day it came out, and her sister's friend was like "Allura dies and Lance is a farmer" And my friend and I were like "pffffft that's so stupid that would never happen.." WELL, WE WERE QUITE DISAPOINTED.

[@infectious1048]

Nobody: Allura: This is my time to die now

[@susie1175]

I once saw a Lance cosplayer holding up a sign saying “My baby deserved better character development” or something like that. I wish I had taken a picture with them because I agree 100%

[@johnnystreet9197]

Farmer lance was even less predictable than farmer thanos.

[@someonewithaphone3108]

I wheezed so hard

[@keniel-prime6214]

@@johnnystreet9197 the only reason people knew about thanos farmer is because he becomes farmer in comics.

[@daughter-of-loki1062]

They did Lotor dirty. He was the only character who I found interesting and I might've watched the show if they didn't make him evil again. Edit: They really had to go and do Purple Space Marvel Loki like that didn't they?

[@sho.thatsit]

Me too! I really liked his character. And when he did become evil again, it just didn't make sense to me. Thank you for existing, Lotor, we love you, but why u become evil?

[@AnnoyingMystery]

not to mention that rommelle's story had a bunch of holes in it and her og voltron counterpart was an evil character who had ties to haggar? like as soon as i met her and heard her story i thought i knew she was lying and that she was gonna betray the paladins. and then she joined the team and she didnt even do anything??? she was just in the background and i hated it.

[@raquela8438]

I dropped the show because they did Lotor wrong. No regrets.

[@thememe-museum8669]

Daughter-Of -Loki he’s bad now he’s good and he’s bad again! MAKE UP YOUR MIND

[@bobatea7915]

Me too! He is by far my favorite character in the show, and I was crushed when the writers decided it was a good idea un do ALL of his character development, make him evil again, and kill him off. He had so much potential...

[@Jenna-hg4uh]

"including ty lee" I'M SO GLAD I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE HOLY SHOOT

[@youremom420]

i genuinely loved voltron. to see it crash and burn like it did was so sad

[@luciacampillo426]

Pidge was kinda underrated. She cross-dressed to save her family, named herself after pigeons, learn how to decrypt and HACK an alien language, was like 12 or smth, and had cool, original weapons. and yeah im biased, she was my favorite character

[@wesmcinerny4524]

The toxic fandom thought that she was transo because of her undercover crossdressing, when she was obviously not.

[@luciacampillo426]

Wes McInerny yeah, it was very common for people (especially girls) to cross dress as men to achieve goals they couldn't as women or their original self. It was something she did out of the desire to find her family

[@palladiamorsdeus]

@@wesmcinerny4524 Voltron had a pretty typical Tumblrina fandom so...its not surprise.

[@wesmcinerny4524]

@@luciacampillo426 I don't know why modern far left terrorists can't see that it's for obvious undercover purposes and not because those girls actually want to.

[@luciacampillo426]

Wes McInerny oof to you as I am modern and far left, but not a terrorist. The people who like to think Pidge is trans are just projecting and I think it's okay to project as long as they aren't threatening or hurting anyone. Plus projecting wouldn't be a problem if we actually got some LGBTQ+ representation

[@mettatonneo1147]

So the lions are supposed to bond with their pilots, right? That’s why their suits share the colors. *SO THEN WHY DO THEY JUST SWAP AROUND THE LIONS LIKE SOME GAME OF HOT POTATO?! IT MAKES NO GODDAMN SENSE! JUST CHANGE THE COLORS WHENEVER THEY CHANGE LIONS! THAT SHIT PISSES ME OFF!*

[@bamaboyz8978]

Them having different colors then the lions they pilot is supposed to be a homage to the original show

[@KariIzumi1]

As was stated, it was indeed a reference to the old show, but they did not incorporate that very well into the story at all. Next the the ship discourse and Season 8 bashing, this is the most common complaint I hear from fans of the show, the vast majority of whom had never seen the original series. And that's the thing with a reboot: it has to stand on its own, regardless of references. And if the nod to the source material doesn't work as is, it needs to be re-worked until it does or removed entirely.

[@cachemoneymoolah]

I read this in Ghaccio's voice

[@jaymontijo5814]

@@cachemoneymoolah glad I wasn’t the only one.

[@FFKonoko]

@@bamaboyz8978 but that doesn't fix the issue....

[@catrinasn8972]

You know what I appreciate about your videos? They're only as long as they need to be. On another channel this would be a 3 hour video, but much like the two-season series that was Voltron, you end with dignity every time.

[@dawn9271]

One of the things I got mad it at the last season, is that lance got a sad ending. When he finally got Allura he’d been chasing since episode one, she died. He gave up his dream of being a pilot so he just got be to some farmer. That really just icked me. Justice for my poor boy lance. He got done so dirty.

[@Lucy-bw7vr]

It all went downhill when they switched lions *you can fight me on that*

[@winkwonk1247]

Lucy Stute Agreed. That was where shit started to hit the fan

[@toadtexas]

@@winkwonk1247 Damn right

[@shinysugardrops]

Yeah I didnt really feel that Allura needed to be in the main squad

[@euphratesleap6008]

Seeing Lance part from Blue and Keith from Red was honestly one of the things that really left me like "did they seriously just do that?"...I love seeing each paladin with their respective Lion, and them switching took that away for me.

[@thepapistyourmotherwarnedy752]

Totally *A+* *AGREE* *100%* agree mate. I was bloody frustrated with how important the bonds were supposedly and then they haul up and change Lions

[@Bala_Niranna]

Hunk deserved better *Lotor deserved better* *SHIRO. DESERVED. BETTER*

[@beth3667]

bowties are cool YES

[@keefyboi5307]

Adam deserved better as well :(

[@keefyboi5307]

Wait also Lance :(

[@keefyboi5307]

Actually everybody, especially Allura :'((

[@parkchimmin7913]

Keefy Boi Especially space mom

[@becauseican5399]

Pidge was my favorite character because I really loved her backstory. Then, for whatever strange reason, they tanked and completely forgot to use her character. When Pidge got the whole plant power thing, it felt like it was a build up to a very cool and important Pidge centered fight. But no, her powers are barely brought up again. That wasn’t even the most disappointing thing they did with her. The scene where she flew her lion to protect the Earth from the bomb, THERE WAS NO REASON FOR THE REST TO JOIN. She literally moved it by herself but because they trashed her character, they just HAD to have the rest of the team help because friendship. Maybe this is just me being mad about how they forgot about her character because her family was reunited, but I honestly wish she had more relevance. Such a sad ending to what could’ve been a great show

[@thema1998]

Making 8 seasons in only *2* years was a *bad* idea! That made it so much easier for the show to jump the shark.

[@pastelfan9730]

I’m just gonna say this.....Coran is the best yet underrated character out of the entire series

[@KariIzumi1]

Facts

[@skaionex]

Yes

[@Fun-K-Board]

True

[@brh2098]

My ringtone is, “Coran, Coran, the gorgeous man” not even joking

[@samuelbedsole5089]

Space Australian is best Australian.

[@JanitoRiceMeister]

I honestly didn't care at all about Adam. What ticked me off was how Lotor was shat upon so hard. Seriously, dude goes insane and gets _horrifically melted_ and noone cares, treating him like freaking Satan despite all the good he did actually do. Meanwhile, Honerva almost wipes out the entire multiverse over a temper tantrum and still gets a whole "there is still good in you, we believe in you" redemption BS. Also, yeah the uniform thing bothered me bad. *RED LION PALADIN SHOULD WEAR RED DAMNIT.*

[@ryoshockwave]

I didnt care about Adam either. Thematically, it wouldn't have even made sense for him to get back together with Shiro, as Shiro chose the mission over him in that flashback. I didn't see Adam as being the "rep". That was Shiro. And it was pretty weak, absolutely. Basically from the moment he was confirmed as canonically gay he became a side character that hardly interacted with the main cast. The tacked on marriage was also just...empty. And yeah, agreed about Lotor. It seemed like they were writing a redemption arc for a while but then decided eh fuck it. Definitely a waste of what could have been one of the best characters in the whole show

[@PolloLocoTheFun]

Considering that the original show pulled the same pallette swap after the pilot episodes, I was happy to get two seasons before "killing off" the leader. Then Shiro came back and put the new group dynamic on hold! Wait, what..?

[@susie1175]

Not sure why but I feel like they pulled a J.K. Rowling when Adam was brought in. What was the point of this character anyways if they were gonna introduce him so late into the story? All that did was piss off the LGBT community (at least that’s what it sounded like back then)

[@Moon_Child_Mari]

Honestly, I have a different bone to pick about Adam, but I still completely respect that you don’t care, even if that IS my bone to pick- People didn’t really care about Adam, so why would they care about Shiro’s new husband? It frustrated my friends and I that they even included Adam, because they made it /seem/ like Shiro really cared about him, and that he was super significant, but barely gave him any screen time at all and killed him off immediately, and didn’t even give Shiro a moment to grieve. There’s far too many movies and shows that include the plot of “queer romance for a hot second until one of them dies,” and it hurt a lot to see them just toss this plot point aside like they did, and they twisted that blade by giving Shiro a husband at random. It just, all-in-all, didn’t sit right at all.

[@susie1175]

Ryan Reed wow seriously? Damn Klance shippers (not that all of them are bad)

[@fede7587]

As someone who was heavily involved in the fandom (I modded fanzines, was a fanartist, a cosplayer, made a lot of friends along the way, especially fanwriters) it saddens me to say YOU'RE SO DAMN RIGHT. It just got worse and worse and I ended up watching the last seasons just for completeness rather than real excitement (and I was also exceptionally drunk while doing it because how could I endure it otherwise). They did us dirty and the fandom became so deranged I actually had to flee for my own sanity: probably the shipwars between Klance and Sheith shippers would need another whole video to unpack (also, kinda sorry you didn't mention Shiro x Keith because that was a whole another clusterfuck and the showrunners did press on it too). Anyways, a genuinely good show blown away by incompetent people, what a shame.

[@randomuser8574]

there’s a difference between fan service and actually listening to beloved and loyal fans criticism. They (the team) mixes valid criticism and points with “angry shippers lol”. It’s so aggravating, and the fact that they romanticize actual emotional manipulation and quite possibly emotional abuse.

[@onlyonefry]

Is NO ONE going to talk about how Lance suddenly got the Altean marks at the very end???

[@billykaplan9915]

Well is a crap thing on a shell of a show

[@fearglitchdragon7237]

Called HE DIED IN THE OMEGA SHEILD EPISODE AND ALLURA BROUGHT HIM BACK TO LIFE GIVING HIM A DEEP CONNECTION TO ALLURA WHEN IN MY OPINION LANCE SHOULD HAVE STAYED DEAD

[@notaripspiderman]

@@fearglitchdragon7237 ...I had no idea this happened. I just boycotted season 8. I was just tired of the series at that point.

[@saltyapple]

RIP Spiderman yeah, I just lost interest in the last season and eventually stopped watching. kinda glad i did, otherwise i think id feel much more bitter towards the show than i already do.

[@weallknowthat6582]

Herologan 295 Honestly I love lance but him dying there might have been better than what actually ended up happening to him at the end 😔. Not to mention the fact that he technically died IS NEVER BROUGHT UP AGAIN AND FROM WHAT I COULD TELL EVEN HE DIDNT REALIZE HE DIED LIKE WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ALLURA THAT ISNT SOMETHING YOU JUST FORGET TO MENTION.

[@orangeville1978]

Voltron without a doubt has the worst fandom in all of media. The fandom was fine for the first couple of seasons but it only went downhill from there. Ironic, as the show dropped in quality, the fandom went down with it.

[@SebGoP222]

Is it worse than the sonic fan base?

[@orangeville1978]

Surprisingly yes. Sonic fans are overly critical and nostalgia blind, Voltron fans takes that and turns it up to an 11 out of 10

[@Underworlddream]

When you have have a large amount of Tumblr fans then it eventually will become toxic.

[@orangeville1978]

@@Underworlddream yep. Voltron sadly had it the worst tho

[@theconductoresplin8092]

I thought Steven universe was bad But this ... Eww

[@NatsuHair]

this serie is a good example of what happens when the direction and/or writing tries to accommodate the Fandom or Exploit the Fandom. So much potential wasted, also the lothor and the princess shiping apparently there was some evidence that lothor wasn't supposed to die if not being save from the corruption by the princess and in the season finale they both would sacrifice together to save the universe, signifying their love for each other...

[@zeehero7280]

I finished it and while it definitely isn't the worst, it has a LOT of missed potential in the 2nd half of the show at least. it could have been so much more. especially the stuff with Lotor.

[@elgato3367]

Lotor and Allura deserved better. I will scream this till the day I die. Actually all the characters deserved better.

[@finn6848]

I honestly don't like Allura as a character, but yes, she did deserve better, even if she was overdone in the last few seasons.

[@BananabroJr]

I never even watched the show and I have to say, the whole show deserved better

[@alexxa_.mp3]

Liz lANCE out of all the characters got the most sucky ending

[@wereverKUROZAKY]

Nah bruh, u just dumb, allurance is canon the only good end of voltron, but Lotor did deserve better.

[@vblxnk5208]

@@alexxa_.mp3 lance didn't get it bad it was kuran who got it bad he never got to say goodbye to allura and he was basically her godfather

[@dbeeh281]

Most of the budget got spend on Keith's hair

[@ajjerio3927]

@@angeline162 From what I've heard, even if they did his hair good, they did Keith dirty.

[@skaionex]

@@ajjerio3927 oh yeah, hes not even in almost half the show.

[@Fun-K-Board]

@@skaionex God dammit, I just starting watching the bloody thing, and what I think is now my favorite character isn't even going to be in most of the freaking show...

[@skaionex]

@@Fun-K-Board yeah sorry mate. He was my favorite too. But after season 3 hes mostly just absent from the group. Only showing up for quick tiny segments or a single episode here or there. I wanna say there was a season where he was only in like 1 episode or two. Could be misremembering that but I swear that happened.

[@Fun-K-Board]

@@skaionex Oh god... I might only watch up to season two, probably the best option. I might just use the later seasons as background noise when drawing or something.

[@akun50]

This show feels like they have 2 seasons planned, then got told to make another one. Which was no problem, they still had Lotor. But then they got another one. And another one. And another one. Very few shows stay good without being entirely episodic over the course of multiple seasons and a LOT of series tend to crap the bed around the 8th season. In fact, 8 seems to be the new Horrible Death Of A Series number, considering how divisive they end up being.

[@larrysdev6543]

apart of me feels like they removed Keith from the main group to delay more Klance shit

[@draconicgremlin7484]

The problem is that they tried to fit all Eight seasons into two years.

[@remyuk]

deadass. i've read that they were worried about people losing interest in the show if it was gone for too long, so they pumped out seasons like crazy. i've always heard people claim that some people who worked on the show said that they didn't really know what direction they were going to take the show, and i've also been told that they planned for shiro to die but when they realized his merchandise was selling and he was such a popular character they decided not to kill him off which then resulted in a ton of replanning and rewriting. idk how true these claims are but god with how garbage the show has became i wouldn't be surprised.

[@amgoose3493]

this show slapped so hard until it just didn't

[@tehyacreates5496]

Lmao 🤣

[@buduhanfamily2419]

a perfect summary

[@thedappercritter6644]

It still slapped, it just switched to slapping people in the face for some reason.

[@cecilaufey]

Right?

[@rusticmaple8771]

slapped like father. disappeared into father.

[@garbagecrow9886]

The funniest part about the actual death of Zarkon is the fact that I never watched that episode. I had to download a number of episodes when going somewhere and I guess I just forgot to download it cause it wouldn’t play whatsoever, so I just skipped it and never checked it out.

[@MIN1K0]

I straight up wiped the last two seasons from my memory; I had a friend who reminded me that Allura died and I was straight up SO confused 💀

[@riley_6363]

me: ugh, I hate Voltron person: you're just mad Klance didn't happen me, who's favorite character was Allura, was pissed by how one dimensional they made Hunk, did not develop Romelle *at all* , legit killed off Shiro's fiancé *right after they INTRODUCED him* and very poorly wrote most characters: yes, a ship I have very little attachment to didn't happen, that's what makes me angry.

[@TheQuashingoftheTub]

I never really hopped on the Klance(funny since I'm a big Sylvix shipper and the ships are a bit similar) train. I felt they were pushing towards Keith/Shiro, and then Shiro just... married a rando.

[@MM-ly7cm]

Special Agent Washing Tub yeah I never really saw Klance as a “bait” either. They literally acted like normal friends and when they hated each other in the beginning, they learned to overcome that. Nothing sexual at all. Wanting Klance has little to no reason for fans to hate Voltron lol

[@NKC228]

@@TheQuashingoftheTub Homeboy Keith literally saw Shiro as his brother why the fuck would they push them to DATE tf

[@DilettanteThat]

sharpshooter ikr

[@paranoidandroid3623]

Honestly I did like Klance a lot, and I wanted to see how they could develop their relationship, regardless of wether it was platonic or not. Obviously there's more to Voltron than just ships, but I liked their dynamic.

[@evan64915]

"It's impossible to make worse queerbating than Klance" Destiel: _observe_

[@endousclarifroar3738]

Oof-

[@fukkthisnewupdate8882]

@@ameliasellers6396 I don't! :D

[@bubbles000]

So glad I stopped watching and got unattached to it’s characters. I remember being 12 and being so sure Dean was at least bi. Then I watched the interview where the actor was pissed off because people were questioning Dean’s sexuality...

[@mijanhoque1740]

@@bubbles000 What does a characters sexuality have to do with a show being good or not? It’s all down the the writing and story telling and it’s been blatantly clear from season 1 Dean was a straight man...

[@bubbles000]

@@mijanhoque1740 It matters when the show deliberately made fun of fans for even insinuating it. Instead of brushing the idea aside they took a more hostile approach by mocking people.

[@hollyrowlands6943]

The thing that hurts the most is the wasted potential shown to us in the first 2 seasons. Compelling plot, great animation, interesting universe and great characters. Ideally, I woud love for the writers to return an re-write the show after season 2, enabling a more compelling plot and justice to the characters (similar to Fullmetal Alchemist/Brotherhood). I have such a love-hate relationship with this show.

[@justjoannak]

Ugh, same! S1-2 are the best

[@triplecastsleep1924]

A villain doesn't need to be correct, they just need to make sense. Thanos is a complete moron who fails to understand the ramifications of the stones, and lacks the creativity to think outside the box with them. It doesn't *matter* though, because his motivation is logically consistent, understandable and matches with his life experience and his own feelings.

[@brendanmurphy4034]

Writer 1: “So what exactly is Alura’s age?” Writer 2: “Well it’s ambiguous but she’s been asleep for several thousand years, so there that.” FBI OPEN UP

[@minepose98]

ShE's A 10000 YeAr OlD DrAgOn!1!!1

[@Anime_CartoonKIA]

Funny how people are so worked up over Allura's age when there's a core chunk of anime/manga that features sexualized kids ranging 14 and under.

[@cyan4845]

@@Anime_CartoonKIA Probably because lots of those characters aren't seen by people who really like netflix original animes.

[@shards-of-glass-man]

@@minepose98 "Ta-daa! It's me, Nowi! Hey, Stahl, want to start a relationship?" "I DON'T WANT TO GO TO JAIL"

[@Marqrk]

Lolicons are an epidemic

[@kikiza123]

yo never seen an episode of voltron in my life but that lotor guy is kinda hot

[@manolgeorgiev9664]

My thoughts exactly 2 weeks ago x)

[@mirandachen8189]

YES he’s the prettiest

[@miasmacaron]

YOU ARE VALID

[@macaronifanatic7287]

Why thank you

[@calixstyo3925]

@@macaronifanatic7287 Quiznak, I see you e v e r y w h e r e.

[@ragpaw]

Shera did representation extremely well, both made by Dreamworks yet Voltron failed horribly at it

[@childishandcantdomath1851]

Voltron was my childhood lol. It was and still is one of my favorite shows. I think it had a good story even though it could’ve ended earlier. It will always hold a place in my heart.

[@CetrouzOfficial]

To be honest voltron had everything to be a great show in a long run: a set of interesting characters, original idea and a cool backstory. The main problem is that they totally fucked up the main storyline of each character.

[@wolf_quill]

Voltron been around since the 80s like transformers

[@dankolord]

Voltron: Legendary Defender not the old ones

[@DilettanteThat]

I ruined the 666 like.

[@pastelguts6182]

I liked klance, but I was perfectly fine If they didnt end up together. But the way they treated lance at the end of the show? Basically a rebound for allura? He deserved so much better

[@DilettanteThat]

Thissssss right here, facts

[@VishtheFish101]

@Rose :3 Well Allura dies at the end so it wasn't really a rebound for Lance. Just kinda a goodbye sendoff. Pretty dissapointing nonetheless.

[@GummyDinosaursify]

I dont like the idea of people saying Allura and Lance's relationship was a "rebound". Yes, it was horribly written and did both of them dirty but... Allura just kissed Lotor. They weren't a couple. They weren't in a relationship. And half of me wants to think the Kiss was just emotional bait from the writers to make the betrayal more dramatic and didn't actually mean anything. The whole "rebound" thing comes off as if Lotor owned Allura and that one kiss meant she was forever his. Which is just beyond stupid at best, absolutely disgusting at worse. Especially when the context of Lotor was probably emotionally manipulating Allura comes into play.

[@tehyacreates5496]

Yeah, as specially a half assed relationship with her that came out of nowhere just so we’d have something to ship

[@tehyacreates5496]

@Macy Skaggs very true

[@Mark-fc7tu]

Very interesting. I wasn't in the right crowd to get into Voltron, but I do feel that it's important to learn about the structure of the stories of the past and build upon them for newer stories.

[@harley6948]

This was my first Schafrillas video that I ever watched. It has been recommended for me randomly 3 years later, so I'm gonna rematch it lol

[@river8803]

Oh. Are you complaining about the villain shifting too often? Dude, season 8 was the REAL villain. They were built up for like 7 seasons

[@ophie71]

The truth.

[@tomasvichachi5733]

Totally agree!

[@KariIzumi1]

Lol, you are so right

[@justjoannak]

Agreed

[@Maxisamo1]

The core issue is literally just how they shoved 8 seasons into 2 years. So many of the show's issues would've been avoided if the writers were given enough time.

[@blitzn00dle50]

Bruh, princess mononoke took almost that long to make, spider verse took twice as long, 1 season of invincible is taking almost that long, and kaguya took like 4 times that long to make. The writers were definitely rushed, as were the animators holy shit But then again, she-ra was 5 seasons in under 2 years and it was amazing so I don't know what to believe

[@purpleenthusiast5814]

What the fuck? 2 years?

[@Maxisamo1]

@@blitzn00dle50 5 seasons is way different than 8

[@nerdywolverine8640]

Yeah plus 2 of the seasons were half-sized in she ra so the workload was more like 4 seasons, HALF of voltron

[@Tranquility._]

Some of those seasons being 6 episodes as well lol

[@NevaRthelesser]

I really really really enjoyed the first 2 seasons of Voltron and sort of enjoyed season 3 and 4. I'm glad I never continued to watch the rest of the series once I heard that it crashed and burned. I'm good with just my impression from seasons 1 through 4.

[@kaydee66781]

Voltron definitely needed an Aaron Ehasz to get it all working together.

[@gabrielcastelho9645]

Can we talk about the producers saying Lance wouldn't end up as a second choice and LITERALLY MAKING HIM HAVE SOME KIND OF FORCED ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP WITH ALLURA

[@febbledebble]

He was literally a rebound and then his girlfriend died for no reason and he became a sad farmer with the markings of his dead ex that somehow appeared on his cheeks. Why.

[@emivvka]

@@febbledebble right?! she literally died for no reason 😭

[@madisnzz]

i fucking hated what they did to everyone, they all had shit endings because the show was about found family. found family does not live a universe away from each other and talk once a year, Lance had the worst ending ever though. I could understand everyone else’s because that’s what they inspired to do but Lance just gets to mourn his whole life for a girlfriend he has for 3 months.

[@rexthedinosaur2229]

Lmao yeah throughout the series they dropped hints but when the mice told allura about lance and seeing how she immediately takes to lotor after that really showed me that: 1. Lance Deserves better. 2. Allura clearly doesnt reciprocate lance's feelings. 3. It seems the writers had no clue how to right a proper romance between them.

[@ZaxFSO8083]

@@madisnzz to me it felt like Lance and Allura were in a relationship for less than a week, that’s how bad and terribly timed I found it to be.

[@DylantheKnightOwl]

It's almost like representation shouldnt be a selling point, cause its an easy way to bait people before they realize that the "representation" was used to mask bad writing and keep people watching.

[@Crawver]

I don't think that's quite fair. Representation is a fine selling point, if you follow through effectively with it. This show didn't, and that's why it became a sticking point. If you market on a premise, and fail to deliver, it becomes a bigger mark against you than if you hadn't mentioned it.

[@DylantheKnightOwl]

@@Crawver fair point, it just seems to me that if these people really cared they would just write good characters, gay, straight, black, white, instead of using the promise of representation. If they use it as a marketing point and deliver, that's fine, but I rarely find any cases where "representation" was a selling point where the ultimate product didn't suffer the exact same writing issues, bait and switches, and overall messy projects by their end.

[@awizard8809]

The thing I hate most about all medium creating characters, is it seems like so many are added just for "the sake of it"

[@stopreadingthisusername9528]

I hate how much representation gets handled in different medias this way, like it's some sort of candy to get more interest and outright romanticises and exploits the very term rather than bring any meaning or value with it. The way Voltron handled this was incredibly poor and misleading; two men kissing doesn't mean anything, and especially when you market off like it's supposed to be some sort of LGBT representation when this supposed relationship just came out of nowhere comes out as rushed and lazy.

[@Depth217]

Dylan the Knight Owl “you used me - FOR WOKE POINTS!!!”

[@darkmatter9651]

lotor being bad again was honestly sad tbh because he and allura deserved sm better i like to pretend season 6,7 and 8 don't exist

[@superpizzas2831]

Watching the first two seasons I couldn't get enough and wanted way more than 8 seasons. But then it just went in every direction and then this show went from pure joy to torture to watch as I desperately keep watching And hoping that it would put itself together. My connection to this show when it was good made me suffer more after.

[@eggrollz172]

Voltron lost me when Keith went rogue. He was my favourite character. I wanted Keith to discover himself but not by leaving the only people who have been willing to accept the brooding idiot over the time they spent together. They could’ve kept Keith in and explored some really in depth parts of his character and added a concrete dynamic with people OTHER than Shiro and Lance(?). I felt like I was watching a discount Zuko journey, but it was Zuko with a mullet and the writers managed to butcher a Zuko character arc. Oh yeah and what they did to Shiro was criminal.

[@bluejaytheseventh7309]

Rose Sadler I recommend the original. Nevertheless is kind of a long series.

[@t1me212]

they made him join the Marmora for no reason- only thing he learned was that his mom yeeted away when he was a kid-

[@nivelaky]

rvdspcladin I think you’d like to hear The Sin Squad’s theory of why Keith left the team in the first place, she explains it in her video called “How Voltron became a tragedy | part 1 - Production”, it’s here on KZbin

[@liguow]

You guys just hate gay people

[@voltronbutedgy4997]

Tbh when Keith left that was the downfall of the show. The first 3 seasons literally built him up to be leader and his dynamic with Lance was gonna change for the better (probabaly not romantically but they were beginning to bond). S4 ruined all that

[@bubblegumcrisis747]

>8 seasons >2 years Wait, what?

[@namis6925]

I feel like if they had just made 4 massive seasons that had an entire year(each) to be written and produced this show could’ve ended so. Much. Better. ESPECIALLY when they went to earth because oh my god they did nothing and too much with all those humans.

[@NinjaTyler]

Yeah that threw me off too like wtf went on with the production

[@stefan7484]

Stocking

[@justjoannak]

​@@namis6925*THIS!* 4 seasons > 8 seasons

[@millysilly759]

Bro just named all my fav episodes

[@APersonInTheWorld6]

“VOL” “vol…tron..?” “…we’ll work on it.”