Schurverse Theory - They Were Dead the Whole Time

[@Mulverine]

I know "they were dead the whole time" theories are cliche. This was just my best attempt to stitch together some of my favorite shows. This was one of my first videos ever. A couple things from the comments; No I didn't spoil the end of Lost at the end of this video, and I didn't add NewGirl in this theory because Schur had nothing to do with it. That crossover with B99 was awkward and it felt forced anyway. I'm not really sure how that crossover affects this theory, as I've never watched New Girl. Anyway, thanks for watching, and hope you'll check out the rest of my channel.

[@razkable]

dwght is the ultimate character for this...not michael..he actually changes into a better person that cares...he develops...most characters in shows do not develop as adults like he did...

[@kkellel1500]

Thought. The Office and Parks & Rec both have characters talking directly to camera and Being Weirdly Truthful. What if that is the interview the human gets before the reboot to discuss what went right and what went wrong.

[@shotgunn3535]

Fun fact, Ann says in Season 1 everytime she goes to see a movie with Andy he always guesses the ending will reveal they were all dead the whole time. Coincidence? I think not!

[@redhippopotamus9144]

What about The Office UK because of its crossover with The Office US

[@okayusa6608]

The blonde girl from good place is also on parks and recs as a different person. Brooklyn 99 and New girl are in the same university

[@125haloguy]

Remember when Meredith from The Office was the head of sanitation in Brooklyn 99

[@Mulverine]

Yes! I saw Gilfoyle from Silicon Valley in Parks and Rec. I’d love to fit that show into the theory.

[@alexmansour100]

Don’t forget Gina being in parks and rec

[@apieceofbaggage878]

and Ron being Holt’s ex

[@gavinio227]

And Andy being an other detective in b99

[@briannahyder4173]

holts husband is a demon looking for love and redemption 😭

[@alrightythen3470]

Remember when Anne said that Andy always guesses that the movie ends with they’re dead the whole time? He could be trying to say something to everyone else. Idk tho just a thought.

[@marcossalgado2684]

ALRIGHTY THEN

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

I mean Jason did figure it out, the lovable idiot character does occasionally have the right idea

[@nickydelorean5186]

New girl did a crossover with b99 so you have to consider that too.

[@DearMisterMarch]

@@nickydelorean5186 new girl absolutely falls into this theory, as it ends with everyone being better than they used to be and matching up. Previous generations called this good writing, but this timeline is such a dystopia now that good writing is labelled conspiracy

[@Ooffoop]

It’s the writer making fun of the concept and why we should throw this whole video out

[@angelocruz4776]

A show: *exists* Internet theory: THEY WERE DEAD THE WHOLE TIME

[@solinvictus2132]

People like to make things more complex than they are just to seem smart

[@auferen]

Right! This theory adds nothing to the shows

[@kittycat5594]

It's just for fun lol

[@auferen]

@@kittycat5594 I know but for some reason, this theory makes me inexplicably angry

[@Zachary-ht2so]

I generally wouldn’t love theories like this either but this one doesn’t feel shallow though tbh like the ones for everything else. Because of the Good Place it actually makes it make sense not just the same as the “it was all a dream” theories. Like the idea of the shows being neighborhoods is more creative than that and it makes it interesting I think rather than just death.

[@Marco1702_]

Would that mean new girl would also be in this universe since there was a cross over episode with b99

[@breadfan_85]

Michael Schur has nothing to do with New Girl. That was probably only a network thing. I think you might get a different answer depending on who you asked.

[@thevisionary2007]

Yes. The answer is definitely yes. Schurverse be damned!

[@briannahyder4173]

that could explain why they get progressively more insane in new girl and frustrate each other so much, but I don’t think there are as many crossovers. I haven’t watched new girl in a while though

[@breadfan_85]

@Jonah Granados yeah, I know. I acknowledged that in my first comment. What I'm saying is that while FOX may consider them to be in the same universe, since they did a crossover, Michael Schur would probably not, since New Girl isn't one of his shows and he didn't create the characters contained within it.

[@breadfan_85]

@Jonah Granados what doesn't matter? What the creator himself thinks, or what the network thinks? Because at least one of them definitely matters.

[@ArtemisLeo2662]

Does this imply Holt is a demon and in a relationship with Shawn (Kevin)? Because I can’t tell. I feel like shawn’s role in this universe needs to be explained

[@kylebittner1327]

Shawn or "Kevin" is sent to torture the 99 neighborhood and his character is holt's husband. Shawn or Kevin then grows to care about them like Michael with his neighborhood

[@ArtemisLeo2662]

Kyle Bittner oh fuck this is great!

[@somethingsomething1571]

It’s all just a grand ploy made by Gina. She’s probably just sitting somewhere, drinking her 8 dollerest bottle of wine, and having some thrown out tiramisu laughing at us

[@steelergaz1740]

He’s also a Lawyer in Parks and Rec, so basically a Devil

[@xxgamin6986]

There was the new Yorker in Michael was caught and Kevin worked on it

[@arunnatarajan5623]

Darryl philbin being one of the people who got into the bad place. He redeemed himself and decides to carry on and help in B99 as Doug Judy, acting as a nemesis/friend to Jake thus helping hm reform

[@shramanadasdutta3006]

Dough Judy and Darryl Philbin are the same actor! Oh my fucking god.

[@Watery_Tart]

The idea that Gina left because she got to the good place is blowing my mind.

[@xavier-michaelmuli165]

But she is still in the neighborhood, she just decided to start her own business

[@ruquang89]

also out of all of them i cant see Gina being the first one to move on, it'd deffo be boyle or terry

[@lukeanthony5941]

i wish but she came back

[@georgewilliamsiii4677]

Isn't the good place a bad place anyway lol haven't seen the show yet

[@Wade_in_your_water]

@@georgewilliamsiii4677 well spoilers, the good place is a good place but at the start the good place was a fake good place in the bad place

[@adityamhatre4684]

I Think It Will Support Theory of "Meredith Being Pam From Another Timeline Where She Married Roy"

[@Buggy_D_Yonko]

That was a dumb theory. Meredith is an alternate possibility of where pams life could have went but she's not an alternate dimension being who made her way to this Earth then got the job she has at a paper company.

[@yourdashingheroidol7909]

Well no....see, in the Office, Meredith martyred herself so the gang could enjoy some ribs...and sacrificed her only begotten son so that Angela could have a stripper.

[@Buggy_D_Yonko]

@@yourdashingheroidol7909 who was her other kid? In the st. Patrick day episode she says no kids kelly and Ryan say something to the extent of where are your kids. KidS. Plural. Her other child is the Scranton strangler.

[@yourdashingheroidol7909]

@@Buggy_D_Yonko Damn it, Taicho! You just couldn't leave well enough alone , could you?! .....Now we are all doomed!

[@gabeolive516]

@@Buggy_D_Yonko she said her ex-husband took the "good" one

[@LaurenZ13]

The fact that Nick Offerman had a tiny guest role in the series finale makes this even more perfect 😂

[@Mulverine]

Right! And Timothy Olyphant!

[@g-ratedhistory8233]

Dwight’s ought to be an angel then, he sent Kevin, Toby and Stanley to the good place, and when talking to Jan (A demon) about what he would do if in charge, he said get rid of half the people there, AKA the people he thought were redeemed. Not only does actively send people to the good place, but he uses himself as a tool for the others redemption. For example, he tried to get Darryl to stay at DM by playing with him but in the process pushed him away. He also made DM unbearable for Jim, pushing him to help start Athlead. If you look at it in this way you can see that Dwight’s a fantastic angel and friend, and is still helping people in DM as he was made manager

[@abbyd3574]

Dude yessss, I always knew he was the best character on the office

[@greggreg5716]

This also means the show was about Jim’s redemption, because the show only ends when HE leaves. No other character who left.

[@g-ratedhistory8233]

Maybe, but maybe he was just the last character that needed to be redeemed, at the start of the show he was a bit of a dick, he stole Roy’s girl, got in a relationship with Karen even though he was in love with someone else, did the same thing with Katie, pranks Dwight constantly, and is super smug. He was the worst in terms of integrity so it took him the longest.

[@solvemproblerstudios5889]

@@g-ratedhistory8233 Roy was a bigger A-hole though imo. Maybe in that universe it’s seen as Jim rescuing Pam.

[@sammillward62]

Creed may be a good place angel too. When the downsizing was happening, he urged Michael to fire Devon instead of him. Going along with this theory, it could be because Creed believed Devon had become good enough to be able to go to the good place. Similarly in the episode product recall, his orchestration of the firing of the paper mill employee was because he felt said employee was good enough for the good place. While the fact that in the second episode I mentioned he pocketed the money may throw a wrench in my theory, here's an explanation for that. He was testing them to see if they would give to someone who they thought needed money.

[@pablodavidclavijo4609]

This theory is the perfect example of fans over analyzing everything, and I love it

[@stoopidapples1596]

I think in theory, knowing the ending of the Good Place, every single sitcom could be a part of the good place. Each sitcom has characters go through their progression and ultimately end up being much bétter people. The Good Place ended by explaining every sitcom character progression ever.

[@gaiusfulmen]

bétter

[@fromagebritney]

It's Always Sunny tho

[@ShinySephiroth1]

@@fromagebritney that's why they're on Season 16... they're talking longer than anyone else! LOL And Seinfeld's gang did so poorly that they are maybe the first group since the Brain Bunch to actually be sent to The Bad Place, haha!

[@scotrandolph5952]

every single *well written* sitcom. Sadly there are shows like "How I Met Your Mother" where characters like Ted & Robin have very little character progression. But then I guess you could claim that Ted & Robin were sent to facilitate the well written development of Barney, Lilly, and Marshall. BUT then it doesn't explain why those two would be the primary focus of the story. But yeah, generally I agree with you.

[@kaylabrandon4705]

Couldn't be Seinfeld lol

[@lukefreeman5403]

When Eleanor (kristen Bell) appeared in parks and rec, it was to teach Leslie to help out the people she hates the most, being the Eagletonians

[@gardenlover9663]

I was just in Eagleton at one of their parks yesterday (aka The Huntington).

[@ellipsis616]

And Eagleton Eleanor is basically acting Tahani😂 I guess Park&rec is just a neighborhood designed by Tahani. Eleanor is here to help and have fun.🎉

[@IDK-lh6ir]

Michael Scott comes back on the last episode, wouldn't that mean he went to the good place and went to visit back in the bad place?

[@lucamark7959]

Or maybe everyone else reached the good place in that moment, but it wasn’t as much of a physical transition

[@briannahyder4173]

well they aren’t really “bad places” anymore it’s trying to help others figure out how to improve in a neighborhood not knowing they are dead

[@victorroque5667]

Well, Michael really never went back to the office. He went to Dwights wedding.

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

Maybe he pulled a tahani

[@rekeinserah]

@@lucamark7959 this isnt the bad place. This is the preperation for fhe good place. Damn TV and its heresy

[@zoegordon1403]

how does this only have 74 likes. such a well made and researched video

[@Mulverine]

I appreciate that! I'm sure the KZbin overlords will look kindly upon my new channel at some point.

[@greggreggreggreggreggreggreg1]

154 now

[@Bob-ys3hs]

Mulverine just barely got it

[@greeny3382]

@@Mulverine it has begun

[@Mulverine]

@@greeny3382 Right?! This was pretty much one of the first video I ever made. Glad it's getting some traction, because I still love the theory.

[@monaroashworth844]

The fact that Adam Scott made the cones of dunshire shows that he misses being an architect

[@Mulverine]

😂🤯

[@delycan4912]

Cone memes are hot rn

[@Klinkertinlegs]

He wasn’t an architect though, he was a torturer.

[@RobertButler]

Don't let @realcivilengineer hear you

[@nodsib]

A bad place architect. Cones was apparently “punishingly intricate”

[@pheniellanz5271]

*****SPOILERS******** The ending of the Good Place kinda reinforces your theory because at the end of every show they grow as better people.

[@colorsunknown9770]

Yeah they could all be in their own simulations that the demons run

[@colorsunknown9770]

Oh and the cross over actors could be the demons or like he said where they moved over

[@ProfessorWalnut]

What? That's literally how stories work. This is an incredibly nieve comment.

[@combedscroll3226]

@@ProfessorWalnut Good comment, but I think that you have only mentioned American comedy stories. You see there is another type, which is British Comedy. You see British comedy normally ends in disaster. For example, in the ending of Blackadder, (where they live in a trench) they decide to go over the trench in the finale. And they all end up dead. There is no character growth at all. Yes this statement applies to all AMERICAN comedies, but not all British comedies. Sorry I had to go all nerd on you.

[@delycan4912]

Ron was LITERALLY in the last ep

[@kahanmili]

im convinced that Eleanor is one of Jake's sisters. Its canon

[@canby_5546]

she's an only child tho

[@evansentranced]

@@canby_5546 She's one of his pilot dad's fly-by kids, I think is the idea.

[@That_1_person]

We know Eleanor’s father and it’s not Jake’s father

[@TTeuio6969420]

​@@That_1_person her mom could have cheated and no one found out

[@ezrapaul6808]

THIS EXPLAINS HOW MEREDITH IS PAM!!!

[@TheSeriousStoner]

EXCUSE ME WHAT

[@ezrapaul6808]

@@TheSeriousStoner its another video on his chanel

[@eiffelviolet]

YES!

[@emilioalban1234]

Everyone’s aware of the fact that Derek called himself a PI right? AKA, his exact job on Brooklyn Nine Nine?

[@RagingPhatGamer]

I feel like Derek throws a wrench in this theory. He was created by Janet... as I was typing this I just realized that Derek says at one point, something along the lines of, "She hit the button 1.5 million times so now I'm a mini-universe that is everywhere and no where at the same time" So yeah NVM. Gotta say, great work.

[@russelboy6181]

Maybe his other characters in Parks and Rec and B99 were modelled after Derek. By himself.

[@MattMurley]

Don't forget that New Girl would also be a part of this universe because of its crossover episode with Brooklyn Nine-Nine.

[@gabrielmcmahon9391]

Imagine if the people in The Good Place were dead the whole time.

[@akeral7063]

Wha- noooo. Couldn't be... There's no way...... Could there?

[@0xrpj]

Oh god, why would you say that?

[@Minority_hunter..]

I could make a joke about this comment but i am afraid some idiot would reply me with r\whoosh

[@gabrielmcmahon9391]

@@Minority_hunter.. go for it. If they do, just uno reverse card them.

[@anguslavy3102]

Ok ok This is just getting unbelievable now

[@nathanthesmartie9631]

I love the partial "agent" theory and want to add another explanation. Spoilers ahead for Beginning of S4 b99! The sheriff in b99 (Jerry): The character pulled over Peralta and holt, eventually locking them up to then escape, to make them realize they were at such a low, they needed the 99. (If you don't believe me, in Coral Palms, after they escape they get supplies at a convivence store, and because of the breakout they escape with supplies eventually impaling holt and they realize they did in fact need the 99.) Not only did he do that, he also made jake and amy's relationship better. After the 99 arrives and the arcade thing happened, he comes and gives figgis another shot, eventually having amy shoot jake in the leg. Although this would end most relationships, amy and jake realize that they were meant for each other. Holt also realizes that he can call the 99 whenever, it's not bad to call for help. If Jerry hadn't been an agent, jake and holt would've probably been dead.

[@jstar1054]

Holt being the architect for b99 makes sense as he is the one running the show and Kevin or Shaun is his husband popping in from time to time just to visit his husband. I would also guess Holt decided to give up his powers for the heist because otherwise what's the point of challenging a bunch of humans, and why when Kevin joined, he was so surprised he had been manipulated. It would also explain a lot about Cheddar. And in Parks and Rec Mark was the original architect but since he proved to be unmotivated or creative aka season 1 he was replaced by Ben and Chris who brought up the first major conflict in the show, the government shutdown, and as they said in the show it was the two of them together because they balanced each other out, as Ben did enjoy hurting people with reality checks, and Chris's toxic positivity left people unprepared. But Ben did fall for a human which was against the rules but decided to join them to work through his issues and redeem himself so he could be with her. This could also be why it was important for him to put others in positions of power like Gary as mayor and Leslie as Govenor. And if Chris is a demon as well the first round of dating Ann was just to mess with her but over the series he actually does fall for her, but she earned her spot in the good place early and he can't go with her until he learns actual empathy instead of the toxic positivity he was used to spreading.

[@WEHAIL]

That means new girls in this too. There's an episode of new girl with the cast of Brooklyn 99

[@uriahhozhenhao3801]

@@pondy3490 but wouldnt that bring up the question of how jess can meet jake, so either the people in new girl are dead too or the b99 crew arent

[@neelverhoeven6790]

@@uriahhozhenhao3801 b99 arent dead. Jake and Amy got a baby which isn’t posssible and they got older which isn’t possible. So this theory doesn’t add up at all

[@yuvalmaharshak5566]

this also works with the Meredith being future pam theory, pam and Jim died after having a bad life being separated and now on the office they get together and become better people while having the "reminder" of what they used to be.

[@mariacarolina-mo9jj]

I am currently watching parks and recreation and in the third episode of season seven (specifically, 19:02), Ben literally says that he is a ghost in a purgatory and he can't leave because he has unfinished business. I'm kinda shocked lol

[@BearlyRegal]

Schurgatory. I'm 3 years late to this theory party but after this vid that's the term I'd roll with...for a brand new limited series where each episode chronicles the path of each cross-over character/actor. I'm telling you now, this would be a Schur fire hit!

[@rissaschmidt6567]

I totally buy this. Also - yeah ann and Karen are the same. I thought this even before I watched the good place. I laughed so hard when you stated thatlmfao

[@rissaschmidt6567]

Also - by this logic I think you could possibly even tie in Nosedive from Black Mirror to be a part of The Schurverse

[@Mulverine]

Ha! Well I’m glad we see eye to eye on it. I love the Good Place! And you’ve given me a homework assignment now regarding Black Mirror.

[@OverratedPerson22]

@@Valancet don't forget it has to be created/written/produced by Mike Schur

[@mfmarques]

Doesn't the original The Office and it's spin-off movie take place in this universe too?

[@Mulverine]

Yeah! I hadn't thought of that! David Brent makes a couple of appearances in the Office. And they wanted a couple more cameos during the Convention episode in Season 3, but they couldn't get the schedules worked out.

[@lachnessvr5166]

what spin off movie...I NEED IT!!!

[@mfmarques]

@@lachnessvr5166 David Brent: Life On The Road! It's on Netflix!

[@ezrapaul6808]

failed neighborhood?

[@staycgirlsitsgoingdown2]

_spin off what now?_

[@Zdragon-sr9bc]

So the proof for this theory is that all the characters grow, and overcome obsticals throughout their respective shows? That's just called character development.

[@kavalogue]

Yeah. It’s stupid. This is all a crazy reach. Fun entertainment but when people take it serious it becomes annoying

[@gamerisrbija]

The only way you could misinterpret the video this much is by not having watched the good place

[@Zdragon-sr9bc]

@@gamerisrbija do explain

[@crimson232]

@@kavalogue eh I just think it's fun to think about

[@PrestonK_Productions]

I think you're right in the sense that that's probably the metaphor or theme running through all of the shows. Maybe The Good Place is just the first of the shows to do it in a very literal sense. Good luck.

[@Mulverine]

Thanks for the feedback! Good luck!

[@CaptainRandom69]

This all really makes sense when you think about ron Swanson. The one thing he hates more than anything is government. And him working in government is sheer torture

[@GabeTheGreat]

HOLY FORKING SHIRTBALL! 🤯🤯🤯

[@arianarunpop2202]

This theory is SO cute! I love it! This would also mean that the show New Girl is included because there was a crossover episode with Brooklyn 99- plus plenty of familiar faces have been on that show, too.

[@gogicore]

"the best Janet is the Janet that has been inside Janet all along" = Schurverse The whole thing of them going to different places in different time lines with different identities to help OTHERS IMPROVE MAKES SO MUCH SENSE ESPECIALLY AFTER THE ENDING OF THE GOOD PLACE BECAUSE TAHANI COULD STAY AND MICHAEL BECAME HUMAN AND ALL THE CHARACTERS HAD GONE BACK TO EARTH TO HELP PPL

[@nathaniellee5277]

SPOILERS FOR GOOD PLACE SEASON 4 This was frighteningly accurate. But I have to add something. Since now that we have confirmation that the Bad/Good Place are actively testing those who go to the Bad Place, this may dent your theory slightly. What if the characters who have been in multiple shows are actually demons who test multiple humans at different times. Like, it’s implied that Trevor survived being tossed by the Judge, so maybe he became a tester and helped test Leslie Knope. And while Jake Peralta may have been the one getting tested, perhaps, like Tahani, he also became a tester for Leslie Knope.

[@Mulverine]

I thought I replied to this yesterday! I agree with you! The S4 shot some holes in the theory, but then wrapped with making the theory still stand. Since Tahani went and stayed to help reform and calibrate the system, I think that explains how characters are reused across these series! Thanks for commenting!

[@nathaniellee5277]

@@Mulverine No problem! I'm just surprised that your theory got SO close

[@Mulverine]

Don't tell anyone, but...me too! 😂😂

[@neelverhoeven6790]

@@Mulverine I made a comment with all the holes. This theory while being cool, just doesn’t add up people in b99 parks and Rec and the office people got older which isn’t possible in the good place nor the bad place jake and Amy got an baby which also isn’t possible because they would be dead already. Multiple things do not add up

[@Mulverine]

@@neelverhoeven6790 I think the babies definitely add some complications for sure. Thanks for watching!

[@randomfandoms6769]

I love how most of the easter eggs he mentioned were in The Good Place. That show is through as HELL! (no pun intended)

[@renopony]

Nope, there's one single detail. In the Office, Brooklyn 99 and P&R you can curse. Touché!

[@Mulverine]

Reno, did you just Touché yourself?!😂😂 I'll be honest, I didn't think of that when making this. BUT consider this; most profane language is bleeped in those shows. AND they reformed the afterlife, so some of the cussing might be allowed....?

[@TwixiMixiPixi]

Reno Pony, I think if they put the no-cursing filter in the office, Brooklyn 99, and P&R, the people would be confused and figure out something was off.

[@jamesbruinsma8464]

Well in the first episode in the good place they say the people in THAT neighborhood don’t like cussing. So maybe it’s allowed in the other neighborhoods.

[@Zachary-ht2so]

@@Mulverine Also Michael says that he had only turned the “word-changer” on after people complained in the neighborhood so maybe they just didn’t complain. But then Michael was lying there because the neighbors were demons and if a human complained then he would not stop it because he wanted to torture them. He probably just wanted to use it to make them think they were in the good place or because it was kind of torture to Eleanor. Anyway for the other shows Tahani or someone could’ve taken that over to the other neighborhoods for real once it was not to torture but improve. There he could actually just let them curse if they wanted to or stop it if someone complained. Another explanation could be that a demon complained for one reason or another.

[@sammillward62]

They may have decided in these neighborhoods that they wouldn't restrict the ability to curse.

[@AxelLeeAvantam]

‘No Exit’ by Sartre. They are all based on character driven formats which deal with “other people are Hell”. These shows exemplify this ideology. Although, personally, I believe other people can be Hell but those same people may just turn out to be our salvation. The Office displays this magically.

[@ThePhl4ever]

New Girl, although not written by Michael Schur, must be in Brooklyn 99 Good Place as Jake and Jess both are in each other's show.

[@doineedanid]

really like this, makes sense, but the only thing is that they all have kids at some point and i don’t think that is possible in the good place’s afterlife

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

@@spoopify5560 jake literally has to leave his family and friends at the end of every season, usually with a massive risk involved if he either stays or goes

[@rustybungle]

Doesn't explain the film crews so much in The Office and P&R.

[@sammillward62]

Maybe to make them uncomfortable like everything they are doing is being filmed.

[@ivelissefournier6137]

They have to track their progress somehow, and filming it makes it feel much more human and realistic so that they don’t question things. It also makes a really good token for showing how much they grew as people! Imagine you’re heading to the Good Place and they give you a disc of your ‘show’ and you get to see how you grew. That sort of system was already kind of in place in TGP where they can look back on their earth memories, this is just a sneaky way of keeping track of things, I think

[@cappadocius9379]

Could the film crew just really be a film crew to show people that there really is a way to redeem themselves. As if they are showing it to people stuck in Purgatory aka Earth. Or all the fans/us watching to prevent us from making their mistakes. So a bad place is never needed for us.

[@richardsloan6567]

Each neighborhood is engineered specifically for the people being redeemed so why would it be hard to explain that in at least two neighborhoods the engineer created a scenario where the back drop of being filmed for a reality show was just part of the redemption arc for the people being tested.

[@dyva9]

Love this theory. It actually ties up everything in the Shurverse and brings his whole philosophy to life.

[@tswxrvin6233]

This actually makes sense after the finale of the good place. SPOILERS: The test to get in the good place was switched to certain real life conflicts, much like the shows The Office, Brooklyn 99, and Parks and Recreation. It would make sense that those 3 shows were all tests of the characters, and some of the actors switching from show to show could be explained by how the demons now run the test and pretend to be people in these scenarios.

[@whalincrissy]

This is the most brilliantly constructed and well said fan theory I have ever seen! Bravo @Mulverine

[@Mulverine]

Thanks for that! I loved this theory!

[@aaryanpatnaik1942]

As for Ben (from Parks and Rec) being a demon, we have to remember that all demons where a suit. Maybe the suit is based off of a person from the real world.

[@abbywalker2477]

Lil' Sebastian is also in an episode of The Office. It's during the cold open where they try to find the "limit of what Stanley won't notice."

[@Mulverine]

So I actually had that in the original cut of this video, but then I put them side by side. They're totally different horses.

[@cinema_coyote]

New Girl belongs in this group as well, they had a crossover with Brooklyn 99

[@Mulverine]

Holy crap. You're right. I forgot about that episode. That was a weird one!

[@Bmarquez1997]

Now that the last season of The Good Place is out, there's another connection in one of the last episodes. At one point Tahani is shown learning carpentry, and she is showing off her finished chair to Nick Offerman (Ron Swanson from Parks & Rec). My first assumption was that the character was just Nick himself since in real life he is also an expert carpenter, but now after hearing about the connected universes it could definitely have been Ron instead. They never mention his name, so unless I missed that part it could be either one

[@Mulverine]

🤯 Right!

[@bradylittlerr]

This is just standard character development that you are trying to prop up into a theory

[@justincraver6428]

That’s what I was thinking. This is the plan for almost every show ever.

[@leephillips4402]

The Good Place is just standard character development that they're trying to prop up into a series.

[@Ainator_]

Yeah

[@GetaVe]

My thoughts exactly. There’s no connective tissue at all.

[@mbanerjee5889]

Other shows that fit this theory: 30 Rock, The Mindy Project, Angie Tribeca, and The unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt -Kelly failed in The Office's "neighborhood", thus was rebooted and as Mindy. Episodes like "Hot Mess Time Machine" and "Mindy Lahiri Is a White Man" support this theory. -Kenneth is the architect of the 30 Rock universe. There are hints throughout to his supernatural powers and being immortal. -Angie Tribeca is part of Brooklyn 99. -Kimmy Schmidt was a rebooted part of the 30 Rock neighborhood. Honestly, you can fit most sitcoms in this theory: Friends, Seinfeld, Cheers/Frasier. (They built a "new" Micheal suit).

[@pyro_chemicals1671]

This theory is even better with season 4 making all these shows the test so they can go to the good place!

[@JayLachMe]

I'm way late to this party, but I just had to type something. You're literally the first KZbinr I've heard say "That's not what LOST was about" .. THANK YOU! It doesn't matter if they were dead or not because the destination was never important. It was always journey.

[@alexmansour100]

This was put together so well, you definitely deserve waaay more recognition for this

[@rubberduckproductions544]

“There’s Aton of actors that crossover” THAT MAKES IT LESS LIKELY

[@corndawg6454]

Is nobody gonna call out the fact that Ron Swanson is in the last episode of the good place, he was teaching tahani how to be a wood worker

[@Klinkertinlegs]

I think it makes more sense that rashida is an immortal, playing a role and manipulating the story. I think that about most of the crossover actors. If Jason Mantzoukas was in the office, I would say that Dereks became the new Janets, and that’s why he’s in most of them.

[@kamikazyy-]

Schurverse Timeline - The Good Place - Park and Rec - The Office - Brooklyn Nine-Nine

[@beetlejuice831]

Captain Holt-??? Jake-lust and envy Amy-envy Charles Boyle-lust Rosa-Wrath Terry-Gluttony Hitchcock and Scully-Sloth and Gluttony Gina-pride and Sloth

[@Cheezy_Bunz]

“If your not up to speed on the good place you need to leave right now” me who’s seen the show 3 times already:

[@an-non-o-miss]

Anyone else remember that scene in parks and rec season 2 when anne says "whenever i took andy to the movies he would try and guess the endings. He would always guess that all the characters where dead the whole time." Guess this video proves it. Andy dwyer = secret genius.

[@RichardTruth123]

Lol sounds more like the writer enjoys working with specific actors and ploping in easter eggs for fans to obsess over.

[@Mulverine]

I fell for it....didn’t I?

[@RichardTruth123]

@@Mulverine Probably, but going down the rabbit hole is fun to see where it goes.

[@jenm1]

@@RichardTruth123 he's aware it's just reaching lol

[@sydhamelin1265]

A lot of prolific directors use a "shared universe", meaning that they repeatedly use the world fiction they've created, rather than needing to go through the tedious and unnecessary task of creating world fiction for each show. So when a writer comes up with a fictitious automobile manufacturer for one show, and then they have another show that needs a scene on a car lot...guess which auto maker they'll use? Using the same actor in more than one project is directing 101. George Lucas used Harrison Ford in American Graffiti, Star Wars, and Raiders of the Lost Ark. That doesn't link those franchises, it means they worked well together. I see this theory pop up all too often as a way of adding intrigue to the humdrum world of producing shows and movies.

[@elektrikokapi8952]

Just finished the good place season 4, and uh yeah. Ron swanson is legitimately like just plain in it.

[@lyndsay369]

i would absolutely LOVE to see a video that discusses all the crossovers between each show!! I was totally unaware of all of the ones in this video, but I've heard about other ones before (for example, the P&R team using Dunder Mifflin brand paper) i would seriously do anything to see a video on this i find it sooo fascinating

[@victoria1095]

Adam Scott shows his demon side in P&R everytime he turns those poor accountants down lmao

[@johngomez3334]

Dude !!! This is so fricking cool! You make so much sense to these crazy shows. Good job !

[@sarangan22]

Makes a claim that everyone is dead and proceeds to recite the various rules of story telling which by the way is exactly what the good place plays with. Those area Character Arcs and I can find evidence in same shows and their format that disproves your theory. These are episodic tv shows and hence have a conflict and a character arc. The good place has basically made that concept f conflict and character arc and made it the story. so this theory works as a theory and is only reinforced because the god place has made everything the rules of the world, which makes theory become self fullfilling. I dont know if that made sense. but its just a theory.

[@bigben3922]

I think it makes a lot of sense to say that the crossover actors, could be looked at as the demons in the first season of The Good Place. Think about it, although our main characters are just 4 humans, there are still 300 other neighbors living with them. In season 2 Michael even says to Vicky (one of the demons) “you have a great arc in 80 years where you kill chidi’s cat” who’s to say that Karen from the office, and Ann from parks and Rec, couldn’t be played by the same angel or demon. Like an afterlife version of the actor Rashida Jones

[@robby2867]

This fits perfectly with the idea that Meredith is a version of Pam that married Roy from the future

[@daniaccarter]

In this theory you’re basically describing life. We go through crazy challenges every day and are having to deal with moral problems.

[@srivasudhahemadribhotla1513]

Such a great video, I love how you've presented your ideas! The fact that you made people watch the good place makes us all a part of Schurverse, don't you think?

[@thetemporizingsloth]

**SPOILERS AHEAD:** After watching your video.. I watched all the connected shows again(Yeah!) And i noticed a few mannerisms which support your theory. One very great one.. connecting to Brooklyn 99.. here it goes.. 'Holt always talks without showing emotions on his face and in his tone.' 'Shawn(played by Kevin's actor) in the good place goes in a goo when emotions are shown around him. And since holt loves Kevin, he made that thing(emotionless talking) his whole life.. (Maybe just like Michael, Shawn chose to experience human life)

[@josephscipioni7072]

“If your not up to speed on the good place, you need to leave right now” Me: *understandable, have a nice day*

[@Mulverine]

You too!

[@stoopak]

i just finished binge watching the good place so i could watch that video and it was the best decision i’ve made in the last couple of years. thanks man!

[@Mulverine]

That's cool to hear! There's a lot of genius in that show!

[@that1guy873]

What about “New Girl” that takes place in Brooklyn 99’s universe

[@mrshalpert]

also a fun fact i found out abt. justin spitzer (a writer on the office) also wrote superstore. i also found out that will mclaughlin, who Mulverine said was in a few other shows written by Michael Schur, also acts as Earl in superstore.

[@Orangefootcat]

After the good place has ended I believe that these shows are the people's afterlife test

[@dragonballfandbl8012]

The pony that was briefly mentioned as an Easter egg also appears in the office as one of dwights horses

[@vtladd1168]

Which show do you like more? Personally 1. The office (Classic, nothing will ever beat it.) 2.b99 (probably the one that makes me laugh the most 3. The good place (great concept, but overdone and repetitive 4 parks and Rec ( I don’t like the slow moving comedy style)

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

Ok mine is Parks and rec (more emotional than the office with better laughs, nearly the perfect show) B99 (most talented actors and amazingly written written characters) The good place (it pains me putting this so far back, best written characters of every show and probably tied with b99 for best plotline) Office (relies too heavily on the same jokes and characters while not doing much development, not great plotlines compared to all the others, can't get the balance between cringe and not cringe right, and Jim and Pam omg their relationship makes me want to stab myself with a pen)

[@andraws]

I personally have never seen parks and rec or b99 but I absolutely LOVE the good place and the office. Prob my 2 favorite TV shows ever

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

@@andraws this is a massively controversial opinion, but I def think parks and rec is mountains better than the office, and even if you dont end up agreeing, I still HIGHLY recommend it. And, B99 is a hilarious show with amazing characters

[@andraws]

@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 I have heard a lot of people recommend B99 but I never watched it, and I might check out parks and rec, but I don't think I'll enjoy it more than the office. BUT, if YOU enjoy it more than the office, that is 100% VALID. OPINIONS ARE VALID!

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

@@andraws well I totally understand, its a super unpopular opinion that PaR is better so I dont expect people to share it, but still give it a watch, its an amazing show with an ending that honestly might beat the Good Place's. And honestly, considering its the only currently running Michael Schur show, and an amazing one, I highly recommend B99, especially since, in light of current events, they're revising the next season to address issues of police brutality and racism

[@itsghxst]

this is like the one "they were all dead" theory that is good and doesn't cheapen the show or feel super forced like when people watch something with magic and they're like "tHey WeRE alL dEaD and thats why the magic is there" like no, in this universe there is magic. in the schurverse, this is how it works and in another universe, things work differently

[@bean4036]

Im here way late, but the characters in lost are not dead in the show except when they are in the flash sideways.

[@Gorts-got-bars]

I feel like in B99 Terry would be the artitect since he gets over his problem so fast.

[@Gorts-got-bars]

nvm he has to realise that he is a worthy boss and is good enough which he seems to struggle with most of the series.

[@belle369]

Yeah, I guess maybe, but I just would like to think that it’s simple and that they are not dead and just normal people. Plus it kind of creeps me out

[@DodaGarcia]

Damn you really nailed my voice in those sections where you mimic the questions

[@TopherMullen01]

Idk if they’re actually dead, but I like the video!

[@usernameunknown6716]

“If you’re not up to speed on The Good Place, you need to leave now.” Me who’s only halfway on season 3: “Okay, SEE YOU ALL NEXT WEEK!”

[@loganwalker9475]

Wouldn't "Dexter" be in the universe to because of the Sabre printers?

[@nidhis1289]

the “crossover” characters are just in different stages of the afterlife … I love this sm

[@sufiyanshaikh5167]

Well you forgot that Brooklyn nine-nine and New girl are also in the same universe.

[@friedrice207]

the cross over actors make even more sense after the good place finale. demons played roles in the new afterlife tests-which could be modeled any way including distorted versions of real lives that people lived-so whenever we saw an actor in more than one show they were just a demon playing a new role. also, derek's not a demon but i love the idea that derek had his beginning in the good place and showed up in increasingly more advanced forms in different schurverse shows. would make sense, he kept getting rebooted.

[@arvin8050]

I wish Superstore was part of this universe lol it would easily fit it

[@decrow7190]

Wow. Fantastic video. I love this theory and it was great to hear it expanded on. The multiple neighborhoods concept is definitely super plausible and this theory is going to make rewatching all these shows much more enjoyable. It’ll be cool to see where the second half of The Good Place goes story-wise.

[@Mulverine]

I'm extremely excited to see where Good Place goes. I'm glad you liked the theory. It was a fun one to make! Which is your favorite Schurverse show?

[@decrow7190]

Hmm. I love all of them, but I’d have to say my list is 1)The Office 2)B99 3)The Good Place 4)Parks and Rec I’ve been watching 30 Rock lately too, and it’s a great show. I wish it was in the Schurverse lol

[@Mulverine]

@@decrow7190 30 Rock is great! It definitely fits the Schur model. Community is another one of those shows that is really clever that I plan to make some videos about at some point.

[@WideMouth]

Dexter also exists in the same universe as these shows since the Sabre brand of printers exists in the show.

[@Mulverine]

Holy crap! You’re right! Also, someone else pointed out New Girl has a crossover episode with Brooklyn 99.

[@SamHinkley]

I am obsessed with Dex, and never noticed!

[@Milk88488]

Wouldn't breaking bad be in the same universe too since Jesse gave creed some meth in the Oscar skit?

[@rumigilani7525]

Exostew196 that’s an Emmy skit tho. Probably doesn’t count

[@TheonlyGio82]

I like how the thumbnail is my 3 most favorite tv shows ever

[@nashgilbert13]

Could you make a part two of this theory changing it a bit to include season 4 of the good place because that would change this theory....a lot

[@KevinBaconWasKevinTaken]

This could also make sense with the ending of the good place where they make the new afterlife system where people take a test after their life, so maybe when they died, they had to pass the test first before getting to the good place