Science vs Philosophy ft. Physicist Sean M. Carroll

[@hjge1012]

An actual real guest and not some random crazy person!? What's going on here?

[@bigeurasianstepper]

Completely forgot these people existed tbh

[@MuscleboundKage]

@@bigeurasianstepper yeah, almost forgot what it was like having two intelligent people have an actual conversation.

[@lottabee]

@@MuscleboundKage Steben.. Intelligent..

[@burnhitsforlove3317]

Sweet

[@PataJuzmo]

@@lottabee Maybe compared to them.

[@420DB]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Destiny fanboy this hard this was really cute

[@wwewify]

@@Shadow-lq7rx gottem

[@SJNaka101]

@@Shadow-lq7rx that was a really cute comment

[@fastandbulbous9697]

@@Shadow-lq7rx qt

[@thespanishinquisition8628]

@@Shadow-lq7rx BEYYTA MALE!

[@PataJuzmo]

FeelsWeirdMan

[@coolboy9979]

One of the worst debates I saw. The guy is actually reasonable and didnt escape an asylum. Not fun

[@jinjrax8625]

Destiny was both a wave and a particle in this debate

[@justsignmeup911]

Destiny was a particle traveling through every possible trajectory in this debate.

[@GrahamSiggins]

Biggus Dictus big win in the marketplace of ideas

[@typicalamerican2164]

Graham Siggins Pagoda of Ponderings

[@abu0010ify]

such a good joke, thank you

[@BeckyMatthew32572]

Wait, why is this funny

[@vulcayy2151]

u know its real when the games r off

[@Dajiban0124]

TRUE

[@maxatt1319]

Pragertrue

[@arbitool]

Exactly lol

[@erling3784]

lol

[@Mistabanned]

Our boy Destiny got Sean Carroll on? I am so proud.

[@RAT_666]

wtf my uni general relativity unit is now crossing over w my ecelebs. wtf is happening

[@weakboson7813]

ive literally never seen destiny so happy

[@SerjSongsROCK]

me neither. And thats in 8-9 years of watching him :D

[@smoothe14]

I'm a simple man. I see Sean Carroll and Destiny imma click.

[@BENABONZO]

Destiny talking to someone with an IQ in the triple digits? Wow what's the occasion?

[@purmello]

Bruh I can't believe this was originally streamed tomorrow. Groundbreaking.

[@WiredGuitars]

>Date streamed: 06/12/2019 Destiny has not falsified the Christian god yet, and as punishment he has been sent into the future

[@benmorgan1718]

WiredGuitars wut

[@WiredGuitars]

​@@benmorgan1718 gary edited the description, disregard this comment

[@romanski5811]

But it was already the 12th of June in some parts of the world, so it is technically true.

[@sergeyshoygu2743]

It's still in the future though. How did he stream this in November 2019 already?

[@WiredGuitars]

@@sergeyshoygu2743 make me feel like i choose you like I'm ash

[@MastaRoyal]

I am genuinely impressed that Destiny actually got Sean Carroll on here. This was far better than the normal conversations/debates he has with cognitively inept apes. Great job and thank you for the amazing content, Destiny!

[@MuscleboundKage]

it's weird how the brain works, listening to a conversation between two intellectuals actually feels soothing and relaxing...it's not just two apes throwing shit at each other. (like the usual Destiny debate)

[@Mr_Hassell]

omg he got Sean Carrol on?? That's a big big win.

[@Skrebo96]

U forgot to finish your sentence its a big win for the marketplace of ideas :=)

[@mypartyisprivate8693]

Very cool.

[@andrewkullar5679]

@@Skrebo96 high level, important ideas*

[@bcsb]

Destiny got his master's degree in Gnomeology in this debate.

[@K4inan]

roflmao

[@Alithenius]

7:47 -- As someone who does mathematics, I completely second this comment; and I think a great example of it is when somebody asks what I do. When I tell them, they usually respond with "Oh! That's great! I was never good at math in school." or "Eck! I hate math! But you do you!" While I don't want to attribute unwarranted assumptions about why people talk to mathematicians like this, this kind of interaction always comes off as adversarial or hostile, whether that was the intention or not; and I can't help that it seems like they think I'm going to see myself as superior to them for studying it. It always comes off as imposing that I'm some kind of elitist for having academic interests perceived by the public as difficult. In fact, one of the numerical analysis professors at my undergraduate institution actually joked about how he's been around the world so much that he prefers to lie and tell people he's a global studies professor, because then people will react less negatively and continue a conversation with him.

[@werewolf4358]

You can't fool me. I can tell by the alignment of the stars at the exact moment you posted this that in reality you're a mathematical supremacist! /s More seriously, I know for myself that talking to math nerds is somewhat intimidating, because they have entire fields of knowledge that literally might as well be witchcraft for all that I understand of it, and if this is something you deal with on an almost daily basis, there's every possibility you might want to talk about something related to it, at which point my only option would be to awkwardly stare at you before admitting I have nowhere near the level of knowledge necessary to understand the basics of what you're trying to tell me.

[@Alithenius]

@@werewolf4358 Oh yeah! I mean, I know that math can have a lot of obscure subject matter, but I acknowledge that most stuff I study in math requires too much exposition to clarify the terminology used to non-mathematicians, which is why I often avoid talking about math stuff with people who aren't math people. Even mathematicians will get annoyed by each other because, admittedly, some of them will talk about their subfields to each other and assume, since they're talking to another mathematician, that they'll be understood. I'm guilty of that, myself, since I study mathematical logic; and sometimes I'll mistake a term or concept as common to mathematicians which is actually something with which only mathematical logicians really concern themselves. I only have an issue with how people in what are perceived as difficult subjects will be treated with this kind of mentality. As regarding the frequency with which it happens, I'd say it's about 50-50 whether people will respond like this. The other 50% or so will respond pretty normally; and of course, it's not too much of a bother, but it also gives me a hint of "Ehhhh... I kinda wish they didn't bring it up, because I almost expected the conversation to turn into this."

[@GrahamSiggins]

My brain is unironically still in recovery mode from so many high level important ideas

[@FormlessPBnJ]

Graham Siggins I aaaaaagreeeeeeee

[@theronerdithas2944]

@@FormlessPBnJ with that

[@000bHd000]

congrats on the mbld wr

[@severalwolves]

wow good job. ?

[@sampokokko6578]

The dial of ideas was turned to the hot position in this debate

[@evenman27]

I love Destiny's reaction to Sean's explanation of the portal problem at the end. He explains it exactly how Destiny did right at the start of his 10 hour debate with chat. Destiny's very first intuition was the same as one of the greatest living physicists', must have felt so vindicating.

[@1999_reborn]

Holy shit you actually got Sean Carrol? That’s amazing. I’m a libertarian now. Unban me from the subreddit or else I’ll become an anarchist.

[@trescohen8232]

destiny got pleasure out of this debate

[@EasternAnime]

Now I have to learn quantum physics to debunk that portal answer... Edit: Just learned all there is to know about quantum physics and the physics guy is right.

[@rpgwiz]

@RARAYAYA RAA how did it suck? It was a perfect explanation for an audience that doesn't understand physics. As a person looking through the portal seeing the box come toward them, do you really think the box just stops when it gets to you? That way you don't have to talk about conservation of momentum or frames of reference and shit like that

[@Kortul456]

@RARAYAYA RAA yes hes doing that especially for the people who dont understand Physics... thats the reason why. He assums that most people do not understand why and the explanation probably is not something We could understand in a Single conversation.

[@Johnny-wv9cn]

I dunno. I think he's wrong. I do agree if you were looking through the blue portal, it would look like the cube is flying at you at X speed but that doesn't mean the cube (stationary) will somehow gain kinetic energy to fly out like B. That's like saying if you shoot a gun, the frame of reference of the bullet is that the gun is escaping it at a extremely fast speed therefore the gun is going that fast even though it's "stationary" with recoil. Now if the platform below the portal is going up and the orange portal is stationary then yes, the cube will end up like "B" because you're exerting a force onto the cube and throwing it out.

[@abdmzn]

@@Johnny-wv9cn But the gun is moving away from the bullet relative to it, speed is relative, nothing really is inherently stationary or moving, objects move only relative to eacother.

[@furosukki1301]

​@@rpgwiz I used to be an Atard, but I thought about it exactly that way and it made me realize it's actually B

[@megadeathx]

First time I've seen Destiny fan-boy anyone, and he handles it very well. It's pretty eye opening in terms of how respective he is toward the many people he's interacted with over the many videos I've watched; he initially treats everyone as a person to respect, and only later during the interaction he decides to demean them. Best example I can give is the "ahmazin" guy. But generally he continues to give people the benefit of a doubt and respects them throughout their interaction with them.

[@MillzTheAthlete]

Love me some Sean Carroll. World needs more Sean Carroll. Destiny should get a hold of Mark Blyth.

[@DBAY012]

Fuck u bro

[@KevinKanthur]

44:27 This is why y'all came for. The portal question.

[@lunavyz901]

TRUUUUUUUE

[@system0fadowner251]

Destiny was neither created or destroyed in this debate

[@faisalahmed-oo6jr]

destiny smiled in this debate

[@zarinkai2927]

Sean Carrol ?! Ma boy!

[@BoredErica]

Destiny got streamed from the future in this debate.

[@jeremysalankey4075]

Sean Carroll wrote my general relativity textbook in this debate.

[@heetgorakhiya2242]

This can make a banger Bridges episode!

[@Travizeno92]

Yasser queen

[@AlexPerez-ug6py]

Destiny got DESTROYED in this debate in an infinite amount of universes.

[@Kortul456]

destiny was totally fangirling in this debate

[@monkeyjesus3470]

Destiny's wave function got renormalized in this debate

[@Plankner]

How did he get Sean Carroll on? No memes, this is amazing!

[@sketcharmslong6289]

Sean Carroll?? Amazing! Well done Destiny

[@101uconnfan615]

Ahh mazin'

[@GiggleBlizzard]

Finally an intelligent and interesting discussion, more like this please!

[@takanuva456]

Destiny and the chats reaction when he mentioned Bayesian reasoning was amazing

[@acadia2876]

I never clicked a video of destiny faster than this one when i saw Sean Carroll on the title. That was a great convertation, hope he will have more of this type of guest, maybe Richard Wolf or Chomsky.

[@WayoftheDave]

Exactly, we need more communists on here comrades

[@WayoftheDave]

@TF MS The hunger and death are capitalist pig conspiracy theories. Communism only failed because of US meddling and sanctions. Without those sanctions, we could've made the world a utopia.

[@WayoftheDave]

@TF MS what's your problem

[@WayoftheDave]

@TF MS Yes

[@alejandrorapag9032]

@@WayoftheDave Any thoughts on the last debate?

[@24zeak]

Destiny was thrown through a portal in this debate.

[@MaleTears]

Destiny is... Excited?...

[@christianweston2655]

Wow this is awesome! U made it Destiny! Gratz buddy.

[@tiromandal6399]

The moment I heard Steven being a fan of Sean from Lex's podcast my love for him grew even more.

[@godwings101]

Of all the videos I wanted to be a 6 hour talk this is the one I'd love to be it.

[@WHYUNODYLAN]

Destiny's principle quantum number went up in this video. You can tell by how much more energy he has.

[@Omnicronnn]

Actual high-quality content from Destiny... It's been a while...

[@jazzgrackle1021]

I had no idea this existed. Sean Carroll is one of my favorite people.

[@Drena2]

Same this is so cool

[@dububstep]

My brain got improved in this debate

[@ZbjetisGod]

This was streamed tomorrow based on the description

[@psyssi]

Wormholes

[@grimsong2237]

*Have Richard Wolff on the show!*

[@Bmanritchie]

Grim Song - RICHARD D WOLFF, YES!

[@jondoh9414]

And Yanis Varoufakis

[@tcritt]

This aged well.

[@barnebyoconnell8176]

Mmm *cheffs kiss* this aged like wine

[@grimsong2237]

@@barnebyoconnell8176 It was, it was good content.

[@RebirthFlame]

This level of guest fame is just a foreshadowing of the eventual Ben Shapiro interview/debate.

[@fran13r]

I want to live in the weird world where Ben and Destiny disagree really fucking hard but they still build enough rapport to talk to each other frequently. I don't really like Shapiro but it would be hilarious if these two became sorta friendly with each other.

[@severalwolves]

Yeah I don’t know - Shapiro doesn’t do so great when he’s not arguing with a blue-haired, already-upset teenager

[@typicalamerican2164]

Destiny hasn’t fanboyed this hard since his talk with Maddox

[@GrahamSiggins]

26:55 lmao the destiny/the chat’s reaction to Carroll saying he’s a capitalist

[@miketiii2635]

lol

[@thecpalumbo]

lol

[@chazzers2616]

Destiny increased oxytocin production during this debate

[@man.dingus]

For anyone that enjoyed this conversation, I highly recommend reading any of Carroll’s books. The Big Picture is my personal favorite

[@13strapp]

I’m fkin happy asf about this! More academics! These streamers are relatable to some but painfully close minded at times

[@jesusontoast4785]

Holy wow!! You got Sean Carroll?! Well done ma guy!

[@SublimeCS]

Two of my favourite people on the internet talking to each other... amazing...

[@Lobexx]

Amazin

[@Dexanimus]

I listened to every episode of mindscape before I even discovered destiny. I’m SUPER stoked to find this video.

[@kameqblindweaver8296]

Destiny talks to somebody he likes! It's so great to see him happy to talk about these things with someone. Love this

[@regozs]

sincerely loved this discussion. More debates need to be like this.

[@thatguyvega4561]

Destiny failed to falsify the philosopher god in this debate

[@boggo3848]

Woah, so cool you got Sean Carroll. I'm so happy I got to see one of his talks at the Royal Institution in London.

[@lorenavedon]

Many Worlds is actually the most parsimonious interpretation of QM that makes the least amount of assumptions. It makes sense of all of our observations without positing yet unproven phenomenon such as hidden variables or wave function collapse. In terms of seeming crazy and out there, it is actually the least crazy when you apply principals such as Occam's Razor. There is a reason why Sean Carroll, a respected cosmologist and theoretical physicist that specializes in the foundations of quantum mechanic feels strongly about this interpretation. He sits at the former seat of one of history's most renowned physicists, Richard Feynman, so this is not some random quack.

[@mads8241]

How is the many-worlds interpretation not reliant on unproven phenomena?

[@ahall9839]

Infinitely diverging universes sprouting from every quantum event is not what I would call simple or a proven phenomenon. Occam's Razor really has no place at this point in the argument anyway.

[@breadfan1071]

Dropped my whole que when I saw Destiny with Sean Carroll.Beyond debates, very nice.

[@th3smallgod]

I can't concentrate on this debate without destiny playing league in the background

[@jochemgunster9931]

Destiny experienced happiness in this debate

[@nguquaxanguyen5224]

frustration and subsequent life and self worth questioning were DESTROYED in this debate

[@justinlacek1481]

Prior to this, all I knew about Sean Carroll was from some of the topics we addressed in my philosophy of science class, and a debate he did with William Lane Craig. I remember, he was one of the few people to actually impress me when debating WLC; I could tell even then that he was a careful thinker. It's good to see him again, gonna check out his podcast

[@DaseinClimbs]

This is a wonderful interview. Im really impressed the way Destiny was able to ask engaging questions for Sean. 10/10 Would love to see more interviews like this.

[@jiimmyyy]

Destiny's just entered the big league.

[@rudenavy]

One of the best guests so far loved the conversation

[@MKotnis]

seeing one of these conversations that doesn't quickly devolve into a knife fight is nice

[@YawnGod]

Holy shit. I did a double-take when looking at the title.

[@ahawkone8850]

I approve of shows with actual guests.

[@davidmireles9774]

OMG!! for all the times Destiny's talked about loving the hell out of Sean Carrol, I didn't know he actually spoke to him already! this is fucking gold!!!!! :D

[@patrickhansen1287]

44:34 anyone have a link to the Portal picture discussed here? EDIT: Fuck me. I didn't think this would be easy to google but aparrently it was. Google "a or b portal" and it shows up.

[@RealmRabbit]

I mean, the history of China is kinda difficult to quickly sum up... Like, there was one time the Chinese government cared so little about running the country that the people in charge literally didn't know they were being invaded until the Manchu army showed up in Beijing... The elites basically never left Beijing and the Forbidden City... This dynasty's lack of caring about their own country led to many problems like not setting up any sort of famine relief or foreign trade or anything at all to do with foreigners and ended with a dynasty run by the Manchu (who I think actually made a lot of progress) There was also a time when I think there were like... Over a dozen dynasties ruling over different parts of China... China had a history of kinda shattering... Basically it was the dynastic cycle where a dynasty would take power, do wonderful things, then slowly become less popular at which point China would either have a new dynasty seize power in shatter into pieces for awhile until the next dynasty came along to consolidate things...

[@sketcharmslong6289]

Destiny got owned by his wannabe Dad in this debate

[@MorpheusDreamRealm]

destiny seems to be really excited its nice to see thank you

[@abbaszadeh194]

One of my favorite videos from destiny

[@yanggang7]

I'm here for the return of the Portal Question!

[@myothersoul1953]

Ah it renews my hope in humanity to hear such a candid and thoughtful discussion. What are those comments on the right side of the screen??? Oh....... nevermind.

[@nailed999]

THank you Destiny, very uplifting.

[@boysoul2075]

This is awesome.

[@bmdecker93]

I can't recommend Sean Carroll's books and work enough. Great interview.

[@shadaw11101]

best one so far anyone agree?

[@tiioga8053]

YAY FOR REAL PHYSICS ANSWER

[@RetiredInThailand]

Sean is the one person, living or dead (other than my late wife) that I'd pick to sit down and talk to.

[@ItsYaJayBoi]

Nice I love Sean! Amazing that you two got together

[@smitty7326]

I've never seen destiny so legitimately happy and positive haha

[@g7297]

HOLY SHIT!!! Never expected Sean Carroll to be here!

[@BubblegumCrash332]

The Portal debate is over!!!!

[@omidzzz4086]

make this happen again for whatever reason😢

[@Chainerlt]

I hear Carroll, I see Destiny, I upvote.

[@beatleplayer1011]

The guy who wrote my GR textbook and Destiny damn

[@r4fide]

I love that this shows how excitable our dude can be! Great conversation too!

[@NinjaDuckSauce]

Hmm, the smart home devices usually only send the information they hear if it is after the key words they use. So they aren't sending every word you say to Google or Amazon

[@mrjimmbo]

Wow you can see how psyched Destiny is to talk to Sean

[@jonw7214]

I've never seen Destiny fanboy so hard

[@Fisherminer]

Destiny the next intellectual to talk to is a marxist economist.

[@barnebyoconnell8176]

This aged well

[@TheApprentice007]

This video should have more hits