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@that_one_doggo83912 ай бұрын
imagine being a random parent at a kid's birthday and you just see Hank Green
@XRatedPoetry3 ай бұрын
Uhoh! Brennan on a lightly competitive game show
@MrBogus2133 ай бұрын
He will do ANYTHING to win ANYTHING. Does Ceri have a helmet and padding? Cuz this is about to get crazy
@RachelRoseLynn3 ай бұрын
I think he guessed whale so much to curb the competitive fire😂
@johnymey40343 ай бұрын
BLM always brings it
@MrBogus2133 ай бұрын
@@johnymey4034 (we actually use BLeeM so folks don't get confused)
@heck31433 ай бұрын
@@johnymey4034 only cus Brennan himself has brought it up. If you're gonna make it an acronym he prefers BLeeM as to not pull recognition from the movement. (If I use the actual letters KZbin removes my tag so you'd never see my reply, which feels purposeful and gross tbh)
@ladytara73 ай бұрын
watching Brennan's instinct to be right war with his instinct to be funny
@michaelgustin14713 ай бұрын
This is where I live.
@polarknight53763 ай бұрын
I would ki- I would do many things to see him on Smosh Trivial Pursuit.
@DoryenChin2 ай бұрын
Inside him there are two wolves, and he feeds them equally
@polarknight53762 ай бұрын
@@DoryenChin he feeds them very heavy food.
@lonelylittledot3 күн бұрын
@@polarknight5376 he feeds them the same burger every day
@LincolnDWard3 ай бұрын
Geology major here - the general term for "there should be rock here but there isn't" is a *void.* These can include cavities, chambers, caverns, fissures, channels, pores, bubbles, tunnels, tubes, and of course caves.
@ajuntapall61933 ай бұрын
Very funny to read out loud rapidly :P
@enjakuro70483 ай бұрын
No way i love this ❤
@LincolnDWard3 ай бұрын
also vugs, which may be the funniest-sounding of all
@wpwscience40273 ай бұрын
I tend to avoid these
@dovasaleh3 ай бұрын
something very satisfying about the bold white "void" on my dark mode youtube page.
@velocikate86843 ай бұрын
"Whale, Whale, Irene Adler" killed me 😂 Listening to Ceri and Brennan get silly and frustrate Hank was comedy gold!
@Penguin07083 ай бұрын
"Whale, Whale, Irene Adler" was truly inspired 🤣
@twelvefootnine3 ай бұрын
"Whale, Whale, Irene Adler!" was absolutely inspired. It takes a lot for a non-improv person to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Brennan in a battle of wits and, damn, Ceri took that challenge in stride!
@ceriley3 ай бұрын
@@twelvefootninethank you 🥲🥲 honestly my goal every episode of tangents is to not psych myself out and try to make my friends (and by extension our community) laugh, so honestly what a delight that i landed anything with / riffing off of brennan's gigantic comedy brain haha
@MorganBondelidАй бұрын
@@ceriley it shows a) how funny you are and b) Brennan’s skill at playing _along with_ someone instead of against them. Truly enjoyable, thanks! 🐳🐋🐳
@Tasarran3 күн бұрын
@@ceriley I wonder if anyone else even noticed the callback where you said any wrong number of head features was creepy, then you said the eyeless olms were demonic...
@Jenny-fk3ke3 ай бұрын
this is the best day of my life
@Splizacular3 ай бұрын
hooray! 🎉
@Iamreallyfreakinggay3 ай бұрын
I sure hope you’re young, or something else besides this video is the reason lol
@JacobTheGM3 ай бұрын
The best day of your life... So far.
@SillySpaceMonkey3 ай бұрын
@JacobTheGM which would include all of their days. Saying this is the best day of my life doesn't even suggest that it necessarily will be the best forever, so..... what does specifying so far actually add, in meaning? Literally what?
@IrisGlowingBlue3 ай бұрын
@@SillySpaceMonkey It's a Simpson's reference friend
@LITMasonEdits3 ай бұрын
this really felt like hank trying to babysit two teenagers who cant stop making each other laugh. truly a substitute teacher losing control of his class vibe
@muhmuhmonahan49193 ай бұрын
"Whales!" 😂
@lanidickens3 ай бұрын
Can i recommend a guest? Cause if so, ya'll should invite Caitlyn Doughty, AskAMortician. She'd be delightful competing with her weird facts.
@aazhie3 ай бұрын
Omg yes!!
@FalcoSparvarius3 ай бұрын
That would be a great episode!
@celery80593 ай бұрын
Yes yes yes !!
@lokiiago_x0x3 ай бұрын
YESSSS!
@willCaboutThat3 ай бұрын
Would love to hear Caitlyn on scishow
@IceMetalPunk3 ай бұрын
Brennan?! On Tangents, you say?! FOR SPOOKY SEASON?! There is zero way this could be better except whY ISN'T IT HERE YET?! 😅🎃
@emilys37933 ай бұрын
as an askamortician fan I was SCREAMING "devils hole pupfish!!!!" the whole time
@SpoodyFlopp3 ай бұрын
As a Nevadan with a niche interest in our endemic species, I was also screaming.
@kf101473 ай бұрын
Same!!!!
@jordanmasse68113 ай бұрын
I thought it was the golden catfish
@CatBarefield3 ай бұрын
Save the pupfish 😂
@anarchyneverdies35673 ай бұрын
Me too 😂😂😂😂 one of the few gauntlet questions I could've answered
@australobuchia3 ай бұрын
Excited geologist here, Holes in rocks have lots of different and sometimes overlapping names because there's so many different reasons for them to exist! The most all encompassing terms I can think of are "Cavity" and "Void". They could be used for microscopic holes or a hole big enough to put a building in. mm to cm sized holes might be called a "vug" or a "vesicle" depending on the cause. Sometimes we might just say "Air bubble" also can be this size and smaller. I actually think defining Cave as a hole large enough for a person is a pretty good definition. Cavern definitely implies a space large enough for many people standing up and possibly buildings. As mentioned by someone else, we often name things in relation to how the cavity was created. Lava tubes (formed by the lava hardening on the outside but continuing to flow on the inside) can be large enough to fit people and therefore can sometimes be traversed by spelunkers but also sometimes they aren't. So a lava tube can be a cave using our person size definition but isn't always. The term karst system is used only for cave systems in soluble rock like limestone etc. because the landforms created by the dissolution of the rock are very particular (and spectacular). Naming taxonomies are hard, people 😂
3 ай бұрын
As someone who reads a lot of sci fi/fantasy, I concur with this definition of cavern. Now please excuse me, I must go learn more about "vugs".
@secr3t73 ай бұрын
If your cave could be a tavern, it's a cavern 😄
@australobuchia3 ай бұрын
@@secr3t7 yes! Mad I haven't thought of that before 🤣
@aleronupstill98163 ай бұрын
"Ballroom" and "cathedral" are names if some of the spaces under the artesional springs and sinkhole in north Florida.
@beeveearr3 ай бұрын
I was looking for a geologist to come in and talk about formation! Also, how great of a word is spelunker?!
@_dx_dy3 ай бұрын
rhyming subterranean with "terrain he's in" is genius.
@moderatti3 ай бұрын
20:50 The “Optimist Cave” bit killed me omg.
@rosesleeps3 ай бұрын
Brennan slipping into the Citizen Doctor Abraham Mehemblur voice is absolutely sending me. Iconic. And perfect for spooky season!
@willmendoza84983 ай бұрын
I have never seen Brennan be this non-competitive before. Very chill vibes. Great episode
@dishevelleddev2 күн бұрын
Brennan has 2 modes: "I will destroy you and salt your fields so you can never rise again!" and "Lol, f*** it. Nothing matters, nothing makes sense, and that's the way I like it!"
@jennifersaar16113 ай бұрын
Hank's actually right with the animal cave! One exists (albeit a small one). There's a rhino cave in the state of Washington that was created when lava cooled and hardened around the body.
@osmia3 ай бұрын
+
@Scum423 ай бұрын
Yeah! To be fair though, I think there was a scishow (or eons maybe?) episode on it which is probably how he knows about it
@NinaDmytraczenko3 ай бұрын
I love it, it's a lava flow AND an animal cave!!
@honeyfrost_vt66063 ай бұрын
As soon as hank said that the creature didn't move for 7 years I was chanting "OLM! OLM! OLM! OLM!" like it was my favorite sports team
@NyxNovaPrime3 ай бұрын
My favorite animal. Sad to see that they thought it was a nightmare axolotl.
@moonbeast13123 ай бұрын
22:10 "You think you are too good to die in cave? Wrong."
@strangestquarks3 ай бұрын
a very small group of people will never get over this episode. i am a part of this group
@choirmeyer3 ай бұрын
Me too!
@kilhapuritybold3 ай бұрын
Not sure the group is that small.
@strangestquarks3 ай бұрын
@@kilhapuritybold i mean, compared to the whole internet
@ashutoshadh3 ай бұрын
Tom Scott and now Brennan!!, we eating good these days. Loved the episode :)
@apeanders3 ай бұрын
26:44 some proper Welcome To Night Vale vibes from that "dig deeper. Find those bats!" line from Ceri.
@MouseAndShiraz3 ай бұрын
Me while watching a ton of caving videos: 'I don't know very much about caves' Me while watching the first 15 minutes of this video: 'Okay maybe I know an above average amount about caves' Great fun.
@scaredscorpion3 ай бұрын
36:07 he's got the "Um, actually" down as a reflex at this point
@magicmoocow3 ай бұрын
Um actually PTSD?
@rocketsocks3 ай бұрын
Russian speaking dwarves: "they believed in themselves too greedily, and too deeply"
@Demogarose3 ай бұрын
watching Brennan's eyes just LIGHT UP at the word "candy" just left me rolling. genuinely couldn't breathe for a minute
@mitchellforney61092 ай бұрын
"I've been studying fish and have come to the conclusion there is no such thing as fish" sounds a lot like Vic's Smartypants presentation on Dropout about "Vegetables do not exist"
@whossoul2 ай бұрын
Okay but what Brennan said about lava tubes is so spot on. I went in one on a family vacation and everyone was like "wow so beautiful!" and I was just filled with this overwhelming feeling of like evil and bad and like I shouldn't be there, I'm not meant to be in here. Never felt that way in other caves, just that lava tube.
@MySerpentine2 ай бұрын
Like the lava might come back at any moment.
@namara-ashina3 ай бұрын
"a bone chilling 4 degrees celsius" that sounds like a perfectly good temperature to me XD
@AbiSaysThings3 ай бұрын
I was so confused by that fact. Like, is there a reason that temperature is worse in a cave than outside where it's totally normal?
@roosvanderveen7915Ай бұрын
I was looking for a comment of someone being as confused as I was😅 I went back 2 times to check if I heard it correctly. 4 degrees is definitely a bit cold, but very much okay to deal with?
@BipolarKitten3 ай бұрын
Brennan perking up at Candy 7:07 is such a mood
@chrysanthemumspark55473 ай бұрын
0:57 Arthur Aguefort?!?!?!?!
@Billdow003 ай бұрын
I would watch 900 hours of Hank Green and Bleem chatting.
@Dylan-vd6rz3 ай бұрын
11:30 a cave or cavern that has no natural or artificial opening to it, is called a cavity or subterranean void.
@vspence23 ай бұрын
CAVES?! And BRENNAN?!!! Bestill my lil nerdy Geologist heart. FYI, cave, cavern and void are all basically interchangeable terms but geologists typically use the term “karst” when referring to caves and related structures (like sinkholes, towers, poljes, etc.). Granted, karst is a wider encompassing word, but caves often occur with this type of terrain (soluble rock with a tendency to become Swiss cheese). This doesn’t include lava tubes or tectonic caves as far as I know (I’m not a speleologist however so I’m not an expert. I’m just a hydrogeologist in Florida, and we just have solution limestone and dolostone caverns).
@Tipsywibble3 ай бұрын
I lost it at "secret horse hole." New favorite podcast
@KillerGween2 ай бұрын
5:25 "It felt like a mistake of a place, it felt like- it was like you, like we, had intentionally created a restaurant that was the worst we could do." Is such a great quote. It's even funnier that it's about a Shoney's
@llamafromspace3 ай бұрын
Lava tunnel.. “This is a bad cave. Get out of the cave” Im really enjoying this video.
@LoveLearnShareGrow3 ай бұрын
Brennan: "I'm gonna go where nothing is happening and stop moving!" Me: "Hey..."
@montlejohnbojangles89373 ай бұрын
"Nyet. Cave is natural actor. Humans are real monsters."
@choirmeyer3 ай бұрын
OW MY GOODNESS! Hank + Brennan together again. And Brennan in an online game show., in all his player mode glory. And Hank "The Fix" Green is the one hosting the session. This collab is brilliant. Should have him back when SciShow Tangets decides to do a bird episode. He he he he hehehehe.
@xHarpyx2 ай бұрын
Awwww, poor Olm! They just be a snek-like version of an axolotl. I think they're perfectly cute!
@ofamorning3 ай бұрын
17:30 went into a lava tube cave last month and did get a good piece of knowledge: due to their irregular walls, lava caves are nearly anechoic! We didn't even realize how quiet it was until our guide pointed it out 😅
@TheLaughingMan423 ай бұрын
My memory of Shonney's as a kid is that it had a huge menu and somehow all of it was terrible.
@Kidzelda03 ай бұрын
But at the same time if I want a rock-solid breakfast I didn't have to cook, Perkins is pretty good. Perkins is a Waffle house but grandma type thing.
@bellablue52853 ай бұрын
I think there was a Shoney's in Rhode Island pre-1994 that was decent, but the one in Virginia like 1994-1998 was awful. Or I managed to grow a sense of taste 😅
@ivytarablair3 ай бұрын
'He die because he believe in himself too much' had me in absolute stitches 😂😂😂 (ooo Ceri has a fully painted room and an awesome couch in great color combo!! so pretty!)
@victoriasewell76303 ай бұрын
I have never been more excited about a KZbin premiere. Or KZbin video in general.
@civail56993 ай бұрын
"Pass! I dont know anything about time." Girl same
@choirmeyer3 ай бұрын
On another Tangent, there is a Dennys in Madison, WI that is not the chain Denny's, but an independently own 80/geek cafe. Food is amazing. Staff is amazing. Old arcade games, amazing. ALL the stuff, and the huge mural outside. Definately something to seek out. Ok my own tangent over.
@auroraourania71613 ай бұрын
I'll have to check that out sometime, I hadn't heard of that
@culverganem-redd62983 ай бұрын
Puts me in mind of the Papa John's pizzeria in Lansing MI that actually predates the chain (they won a lawsuit to keep their name!) After the thing with the chain Papa John's founder being racist, people have taken to calling ours the "local, non-racist Papa John's"
@voidify33 ай бұрын
Related tangent- here in Australia, Burger King is called Hungry Jack’s because there was already a small business with the name Burger King which had the Australian trademark on the name and refused to sell it to the big company when they started doing business in Australia
@reilley263 ай бұрын
Hank just ruined my entire sense of the elementals and damage types in D&D when he said that ice is a rock 🤯
@NewtsOnAcid2 ай бұрын
This is my dream team. I could watch these three all day
@jarredjacob22443 ай бұрын
Two weeks ago I would have had no idea who Brennan was, the good ol’ algorithm did good this time 😊😂
@kagitsune3 ай бұрын
Welcome
@Kiwicrack3 ай бұрын
Blessed day. Your algorithm is gonna be insanely fun(more fun)
@MorganBondelidАй бұрын
*_One of us!_* But seriously, Brennan is delightful and will connect you to so many new delightful nerds. Dropout is worth it.
@snapelicious32 ай бұрын
1) Brennan's pull for an iconic cave being Howe's Caverns 2) Brennan ramping up to guess the state of Wales
@RachelRoseLynn3 ай бұрын
"Yeah, but it's Brennan." - Hank Green. 😂😂
@trinitybottiger61743 ай бұрын
The Sherlock question's answer is in his name. Holmes -> Olm It took me a minute or two after they revealed the answer to put it together. Great episode. So happy to see Brennan and Hank being nerds together again.
@ivytarablair3 ай бұрын
THANK you! 3x through and I still hadn't picked up on that!
@WernerEdgar3 ай бұрын
Love the chaos Brennan brought to this episode and Ceri then joining.
@a-goblin3 ай бұрын
ooo, a halloween treat! i ADORE hank & brennan's friendship sfm brennan might be the only person on earth able to reference plato without being pretentious
@copasetic13 ай бұрын
Huge fan of Brennan and it’s such a delight to see him playing a game where he’s not obsessed with winning.
@Tigermanic213 ай бұрын
Brennan is just out here to have a whale of a time with friends in a cave.
@SilverHakaiАй бұрын
Gotta admit a SciShow x Brennan Lee Mulligan crossover was not on my bingo card but I am here for it
@facistdic3 ай бұрын
It's weird seeing Brennan not be hyper competitive in a game with points
@Resavian3 ай бұрын
Bad anxiety day being had, a medical edible consumed and then mystery horse holes, gotta say those last two worked together to make the day better
@chillsahoy26403 ай бұрын
It's nice when you bring in guests that I've never heard of, it's refreshing and gets me a chance to explore new channels and online spaces that I might not have found otherwise.
@ZedaZ803 ай бұрын
The bugs would call the cave "home," I think
@kilhapuritybold3 ай бұрын
Yeah could do, the bugs I've known are perhaps a bit er..slow they would describe it as just "here".
@brightknight19653 ай бұрын
Well if it isn’t two of the men who make me want to be a better man on one podcast. (Ceri you are wonderful too❤)
@maureenturin90413 ай бұрын
Hank: *introduces Brennan* Citizen Doctor Abraham Mehermblur: *appears*
@Mirialan3 ай бұрын
I always love hearing the SciShow Tangents' Halloween theme bc it sounds more like what you hear when you walk into a holy site in Legend of Zelda than something spooky lol. Love seeing Brennan on here too! Didn't see this cross over coming. 😯
@sh0tgun9503 ай бұрын
"What cave in the US has tons of cheese stored in it?" Brennan, digging for a "Wales" joke: "Alright so it must be in Europe, right?"
@moyetlicious3 ай бұрын
Ceri! You painted your living room! I'm so happy, it looks lovely and I'm very glad we won't have to look at the tester square behind your head anymore 😜😘
@yensia103 ай бұрын
I always assumed that there was a man in every cave because they forgot to keep a little dirt under their pillows for the dirt man.
@jamesodwyer41813 ай бұрын
Getting strong Alan Davies on QI 'Blue Whale' vibes from Brennan, and I am loving it.
@MorganBondelidАй бұрын
Yes! Big same, and I’m sure BLeeM would feel happy at the compliment.
@Troyjnorris3 ай бұрын
Hi! Missourian here. The cheese doesn't need caves for anything, it's just a cheap place to store food. It's very cheap to refrigerate caves since they're naturally like 50-60 degrees Fahrenheit depending on where you are in the world. Missouri just happens to have a ton of naturally occurring limestone caves that were mined for limestone blocks and then weren't needed any more once that fell out of fashion. Kansas City where I live has millions of square feet of underground storage that most of the country's fresh food going somewhere in the middle or across the country spends some amount of time in. But there are boats stored there, mushroom farms, data centers, all kinds of things happening underground in missouri. They have a 10k you can run down there every year that's a great way to check them out.
@mayaenglish54243 ай бұрын
1:59 lmfao that is so accurate. Just say what you are thinking and stop waffling, life is often much simpler and easier that way. East Coast Represent! 🤣🤣🤣
@Itmustbe_bunnies3 ай бұрын
3:30 - Oh my goodness - I feel Brennan so much on this! It was 30 years ago, but I still have some leftover resentment from a trip I took with friends to Charleston, SC as a teenager. We were surrounded by all these wonderful sounding local restaurants, but had little money, so we were only going to have one "fancier" meal - and one of our group insisted we eat at _Red Lobster_ - I was so mad!
@taimatsuko3 ай бұрын
I see Brennan is using the Alan Davies Quiz Show Strategy
@harpsichordjass46702 ай бұрын
Brennan is really putting that philosophy degree to work
@gurplepanda36563 ай бұрын
Brennan Lee!!!! He always knows how to make an entrance.
@lerualnaej59173 ай бұрын
I don't think I ever said anything, but this popped up in my recommendations and it brought back memories. Last Christmas, I got VERY sick with COVID the evening before I was set to travel home to see family. Instead, I ended up in my room, listening to my housemates celebrate with each other, choking down small amounts of food I could not taste and watching hours upon hours of sci show tangents to distract myself from how much everything hurt. Genuinely, this show got me through a bad time last year, and I'm really grateful for that.
@RuviGaPo2 ай бұрын
Whenever hank and brennan meet up it Feels a little like when herkules and aladdin met up that one time in the disney tv shows in the early 2000s
@rayb4faybrown9753 ай бұрын
This is the collaboration I needed today! Thanks yall ❤
@LawTaranis3 ай бұрын
Brennan DMing for a group of all scishow host players when?
@choirmeyer3 ай бұрын
Did you catch Mentopolis? Hank was a player, and it was amazing!
@RSmeep133 ай бұрын
"Sam is making us do the Gauntlet from beyond the grave!" is a hell of a way to learn that Sam is dead, RIP
@eliburry-schnepp60122 ай бұрын
Sari ate Sam, that was established at the beginning
@SeanTBarrett3 ай бұрын
At this point I don't think they'll manage to follow the gauntlet rules correctly ever again.
@muhmuhmonahan49193 ай бұрын
I got behind on Tangents, and OHHHH, the NOISE I made when i heard the Halloween opening music!!! SPOOKY MONTH!!!
@rosaliegrace9053 ай бұрын
Omg!!!!! Is this the best crossover episode ever?
@xypher1553 ай бұрын
Yay!! I knew the question about the Olm!! It’s my favorite animal
@DannyWatchUtena3 ай бұрын
It took 20 minutes before we got to the first game, I'm loving it.
@choirmeyer3 ай бұрын
Heck of a tanget.
@Robert_RedBeard3 ай бұрын
Not even 10 minutes in and Brennan and Hank have name dropped the cave I went to for my twelfth birthday and one of my favorite authors, just loving these guys more and more
@tombpunk3 ай бұрын
This Brennan fella that I never heard about before seems like a great character. You should invite him more. Maybe talking about birds.
@somecunninglinguist2 ай бұрын
This is the most Brennan has ever reminded me of Izzy
@cj7195213 ай бұрын
The music for this spooky season is an upgrade from past years! More harmonic and complete! I love it!
@TKBarnes3 ай бұрын
17:45 Yes, Hank a cave carved out of ice by melted water would technically be a lava cave. HOWEVER, only in the (ant)arctic (and even that's an edge case), or other planets. To my understanding, ice = rock and water = lava, technically only in conditions where these are the "default" forms, i.e. a planet that has no liquid water (hence the edge case comment above) at surface level. So, basically, what I'm saying is - the straight lines of Europa (moon) are, technically, lava runs. :D 21:25 I'm Polish by birth, and I had the exact thought of "I'm sure they named it that for the sarcasm of you got to be an optimist to even go there." Brennan then going on and summing it up perfectly just made me cry from laughter. 48:48 I paused to write this, but I'm just waiting to see if Brennan comes out as the true villain he is inside and admits that by winning a game during their first meeting Ceri made an enemy for life. :P
@tri.man.32 ай бұрын
I thought this said 26 minutes and I watched the whole thing thinking it was 26 minutes until I read that it was actually 56 minutes and confirmed I have a constant distorted sense of time.
@gabriellynch27642 ай бұрын
Humans have always been intrigued with caves. We have evidence of humans going miles into caves thousands of years ago. Which is crazy because they only have primitive torches and they still went DEEP into them.
@DanialJoseph233 ай бұрын
Now that's a top notch cave poem right there 😂
@donniebarbados3 ай бұрын
i've been diving in cenotes that have haloclines (the double water thing brennan is describing - the result of salt and freshwater mixing creating layers of water with different salinity levels). it's incredibly surreal and cool!! you can look up and see the water "surface" after you pass through
@ivytarablair3 ай бұрын
ooooo it hadn't occurred to me the boundary layer would be so visible! now I gotta go find photos!
@ivytarablair3 ай бұрын
OKAY THAT IS THE COOLEST LOOKING THING 😮😮😮
@DanialJoseph233 ай бұрын
People pleaser ghost is one of my new favorite characters 😂
@WickedFae223 ай бұрын
Hank's description of Shoney's is totally correct. 100% true, no notes.
@LawTaranis3 ай бұрын
3 of my 5 favorite people in the world that I have not spoken to directly.
@kabornat83402 ай бұрын
What a spectacular cross-over
@stephsoundsystem9143 ай бұрын
I so love how DropoutTV and SciShow have crossovers
@Juice19849 күн бұрын
22:40 "The Cave of Wonders" named for the Wonder that kills you and not the wonderous items within. 😅
@ycsdramaqueen3 ай бұрын
14:34 Here we observe Brennan, once again, being data driven and hyper Christian